Jason, this is Darrin from Colorado. About 20 yrs. ago, I was handed a piece of Cripple Creek Colorado gold Telluride ore that had been assaying around 30 ounces per ton. This piece that I was holding was heated also and had gold all over it and through it. You may have a massive amount of gold that you didn't realize, in that Telluride ore.
Yes, I was thinking about that myself. When I was a wee lad & visited the Molly Kathleen tourist mine in Cripple Creek, my mom bought me a nice $5 ore sample (wonder where it is now?!). It (the gold flecks) was silver-colored, and they told us that that was normal for Cripple Creek ore and, if you roasted this Cripple Creek ore, it would turn into yellow gold. I don't remember them saying anything about tellurides, but then I WAS just a WEE lad, and that was long-long ago now! In any case, this video really struck a chord with me, and I'd REALLY like to learn more about this whole subject. Thanks so much, Jason! - Tom
I concur. I worked on Cripple Creek, Colorado ore back during the early 80s and the gold assays where extremely high. Crush, leach, gravity concentrate, melt (high soda/borax flux)...I look at the overall gold recovery and not the individual Te:Au ratios.
I think he’s already done the research and he is sitting on a bunch of garbage or he would be mining that garbage and he’s thought up a better you than me get something for my time scheme I hope I’m wrong but I’d be careful buddy this seems fishy
Very much looking forward to a new smelting video from you, and roasting your cons to release the gold - it would be super interesting to take a sample and split it in 3 or more, to figure out how much gold is held up in the Tellurides vs other sulfides and to see how much is liberated using the different methods
Hey Jason, It's Kyle. I think you would have good luck with 2 flat headed screw drivers, they're small but great for high grading like this. I always also bring news paper to wrap specimens so they don't break in my pack. Thank you for sharing your mine with me. I bought one box and I found about a gram just washing the rocks and then almost another gram after smashing and smashing. You gave me my first gold in quartz specimen and I really appreciate it. One day I would like to visit the mine, I'm a work horse and will get that stuff loaded. Keep up the good work. Heavy pans! -Kyle.
In your calculation at 41:00, since you're assuming everything is one or the other, x+y=1, so you can replace y with (1-x), for a direct calculation without guessing and checking.
In case you missed it Jason had a guest on who actually worked this mine in the past. They used a sluice and ran everything from the floor through it. EDIT: As others pointed out dredging and sluicing the floor was the goal but they didn’t get around to it due to equipment needs.
Telluride is a gold, and silver ore. Calavarite contains gold, sylvanite, silver. Cripple Creek is famous for this, specimens are highly sought after. They occur in in California gold rush country, and other areas of the world but are rare it is one of the only times gold alloys with other metals.
Ordered my first 25lbs of ore from Jasons mine! 💪🤠🪨🔨Looking forward to it! I'm only about 5 hours south so I should see it pretty quick! Merry Christmas Everyone! May your pans always be heavy and bright!
I'm 20 minutes into the video and can't believe you're unsure about whether or not to expose the gold. You purchased a gold mine. You, Harry, and Chad spent countless, backbreaking hours blasting, mucking, lifting, and sweating - It's high time to reap the benefits of your mine - ROAST THE DARN ROCKS and let the gold shine in all its glory 💛
Use oxalic acid to remove the iron oxide staining, far safer. Playing with the caustic chemicals is fairly hazardous and don't contemplate using hydrofluoric, a drop on your skin will kill you, we used to etch our specimens by exposing the specimen just to the vapour (in a fume hood). Quenching your hot specimens will shatter the quartz, as they did. Very nice mineral specimens.
You need a diamond cutting wheel on an angle grinder and/or on a 4-5" dewalt or other battery powered circular saw to cut out samples with. A lot faster than the hammer drill. As for the quartz and tellurides; grind it, run across the table, roast the hell out of the #1 and #2 in the furnace, then smelt at higher temps.
I am a math teacher in Oregon. Desmos graphing calculator is free online. In seconds you could graph that equation and find possible answer sets. Just a quick way to get it done.
Jason, I always love your science and math lessons in addition to the adventures. Takes me hours to look up the furnace model and temps for melting, the elemental lists and chemicals. Thanks to you and Dan and Harry for all the hard work this year.
Calaverite (cal-uh-verite) was named after the wonderfully rich mines of Calaveras county, California. Be careful when roasting as the chemical bond between the AU and the tellerium can cause the finely disseminated gold to volatize. Also be careful when assaying as this chemical bond can cause up to 40 percent of the gold to be absorbed into the cupel. The telluride ores of California and Colorado were often measured in pounds, not ounces per ton. Keep following those telluride bands, i hope you find a ton or two!
Hey Jason, Get well! We all want to see you pour gold bars and the whole process! This video was awesome! Love it when you decide to 'experiment'!! Thumbs up! Get better real soon! Thumbs up! Jim
Can't help you with the technical aspect, but I have about a hundred Tidy Cat pales that I will be willing to give you if you want. Already mentioned them to Harry. My thought is that he can stop by on his way north to your mine. I am in southern Oregon, Just off the 5 on Hwy 99 (the frontage road to the 5) Off at the 35, back on at the 40, easy peasy ... Let me know, if not I will put them out front for free, but if they can help you .... Pales and lids, take what you want....Enjoyed your video as always, thankx for the share.... ~Jekyll the Hyde 🎩
i dont know why, but i just want to take a vacuum to an area of the mine and see what gold you get. i know beggars cant be choosers but id love to see like 20 bags go through the shaker table. the shaker table is amazing. love it have a great weekend!
This has been an Awesome journey Jason , I want to thank you for making your God Ore available to the World out there . I just finished panning the last 5 lbs or so that i have left , i'm yet to roast it and get the gold out of it , and then i will smelt the remaining Oxides . I'm seriously tempted to buy some more , it's been lots of fun going along for the ride . Cheers Ned 👍👍
To be honest with you if you After you roast your ore Jason you should clean them up with acid that you know will make the gold shiny So all that yellow that you see you can make sure it's gold And it should clean it up as well Just a suggest a suggestion for a future Just a suggest a suggestion for a future video maybe
Jason, I love your mining & experiments & want you to be successful, safe & healthy. From an experienced chemical engineer whti has worked around a lot if nasty stuff including hydrogen fluoride: - please put on PPE *before* you handle sodium hydroxide (lye) or strong acids - insert new PPE filters before starting this kind if experiment with strong boiling lye. - Dont attempt to use hydrogen fluoride. Its extremely difficult to work with & requires a specialty antidote to neutralize if get it on your skin. It will eat thru flesh, bone, the table, etc. it wont stop. Be safe & succesful & get well soon!
If you suspend the wire gold into a small amount of clear epoxy, you could make a beautiful pendant out of it. Just a thought. Really nice results in this video. Thanks for sharing. You really do a great job!!!
Excellent video, when we get set up my grandson's and I want to buy some to just play with and see what we can actually remove from the ore. Thanks for sharing ❤🙏
Have you done any experimenting on electrolytic separation of minerals? I find your enthusiasm for the hunt for minerals wonderfully engaging. Keep it up.
Well Howdy from Montana Jason! I’m pretty sure I’ve been around those telluride crystals in the high mountains, mostly wilderness areas while mountaineering on sharp, exposed ridges. If so, Canada had some amazing spots I’d like to look at again. Most of the areas carrying the crystals were very inaccessible by any motorized vehicles. I wonder if that’s why they were never looked at seriously or mined? Great videos and information, keep those productions coming, I know you work hard at it.
Hey Jason that’s some great looking ore. GREAT JOB!!! Would you roast half of that stuff. Maybe the less cool looking samples. Then let’s compare the roasted vs the rest. Keep it up we love your videos. I have learned a ton from watching your channel. Thanks and happy holidays.
IIRC, doesn't it not "penetrate" the surface that well? So not great for finding pockets, but good for telling us the flake they're looking at is indeed gold?
This is one of the most incredible videos Ive seen from you Jason and super impressed with the gold hiding in the tellurides! Then you must decide to keep the larger crystals or melt down. Your gold mine just became way more high grade!!!! Would love to come pay you a visit someday. I’m in southern oregon do a lot of sluicing and beach mining.
Wow! That is awesome gold! Glad your hard work is paying off. I think you should clean some more gold in the kiln, but at the lowest temp possible so the gold keeps the character it had in the host.
some juicy stuff going on in those samples.....I didnt know Tellurium was associated with gold to that extent thats a cool learning moment Jason so thanks for that and thanks for sharing. Have a great holiday season
Congrats, that's a stunningly rich deposit ! It's almost hard to believe there is that much gold in the vein, even though I'm seeing it with my eyes. :- o
Jason, I'm not metallurgist, but I did look up the melting points of Sulphur & Tellurium, which are related and they are both well below gold, so I think your supposition that there is gold locked up in the Tellurium is spot on. Of course Tellurium in itself might, don't know it value, just be worth something in itself, but in your case if gold is locked up in it, then I would sacrifice it for the gold. Just looked up price of Te, it's going for 2.55/oz., not a lot considering they say it's rarer than gold.
I kept hearing him talk about Tellurides in so many episodes that I finally googled it. Says $45/oz and it's got a lot of uses but I don't know what someone would have to do to separate and purify it. Sounds like something for a chemical refiner channel.
@@Y2KNW Actually Te goes for about $90.00 per Kg not per oz., if you divide out the ounces in a Kg (35.27) into $90. you get the 2.55/oz. I quoted above
Hey Jason, I’m a big fan. I have an idea. My brother in law. Is a core cutter. Can you use a diamond core cutter to first cut a core then break it out , then you can break the quarts into the core hole. This is the way they do it in construction. My in-law does this all the time. Just an idea. You probably would’ve already tried this or discounted it. Once you have a void or a series’s of core holes maybe feather a wedge it out. Anyhow thanks for the great content!
Stay healthy Jason. I still have 50lbs of your muck from last season that I have been going through, well trying to. Looking to buy more, I do lapidary work and want to make some cabs. Looking to buy more :) Thank you Jason, Harry and all those who have helped you...Wish I could have been one.
Jason. Use a torch, to art the hell out of these things. Let's you leave the natural beauty of the tellurium, see the gold, and look at the transition. Also let's you science the heck out of the questions that you have concerning the alloy/coating, etc.
And I would be running back to that mine to fill some bags and start grinding and smelting!! I look forward to you doing an assay of that wall section.
Jason, you need to have me teach you how to dowse the precious metal veins and ore shoots in your mine. This is no bullshit physics that are the same physics that energizes the alarm on electronic metal detectors. In the 1970's my father and I reverse engineered the physics involved in dowsing and invented the modern light weight ball bearing dowsing rod for using dowsing physics in locating our old core-drill on the exact center of gold and silver veins that are buried under 200 feet of glacier rock and till, which worked out perfectly for us. I wrote the book to teach the world how to apply physics in dowsing. My book: The Art of Dowsing - Separating Science from Superstition ($14.95), by Michael Fercik, explains all the physics involved in dowsing and teaches how to build the modern light weight ball bearing dowsing rod, which is the only dowsing rod that accurately gauges the element being dowsed by pitting the energy of gravity against the energizing of the pure one-tenth ounce dowsing rod load that is tapped onto the ELEVATED acetylene welding rod that is free spinning on ball bearings. This precisely gauges the dowsing of all edges, exact center, depth buried with angle of deposition, and most important is grading or deciphering the amount of the dowsed element that is contained in the elemental mass that is being dowsed. Anybody can become a professional dowser by practicing and mastering my book's dowsing lessons. I hope dowsing enriches your life intellectually and financially.
@@happycamper4thewin A couple of years from now you will be eating crow, because this does work only if you know the physics involved in dowsing are the same physics that energizes the alarm on electronic metal detectors, except when a 9999 fine gold dowsing rod load is tapped onto the ELEVATED acetylene welding rod that is free spinning on ball bearings, only gold will energize the dowsing rod. Electronic gold metal detectors require digging up trash instead of gold, with that being the only thing found for most prospectors on an average day. The rest of us will have the uneducated prospectors leaving the high concentrations of gold left for the prospector using physics in dowsing to find the gold that is bypassed by others. By the way, you can dowse gold deposits that are buried under hundreds or thousands of feet of cover. Go Figure !
@@michaelfercik3691 look, you can believe whatever pseudoscience you want, but don’t come here spamming trying to sell your book. Good grief, what a load of tosh
Boiling and hot sodium hydroxide is absolutely terrifying from a safety perspective. I use it in the metallurgy industry for processing some ores and it is always my least favourite process. Well, aside from HF stuff.
Your results make me think that maybe you should be roasting the high grade before grinding and putting it on the shaker table. If the teluride is mixed with the gold, wouldn't that change the density? And if they are bound, might they not collect properly on the shaker table? Maybe you'd increase your yield if you baked the ore first before grinding.
Suggestion. Crush up some ore. Pan it out, but towards the end don't try to remove the black part as waste. Save the black part, pan it the rest of the way to get the gold as normal. Then dry and fire the black part to see how much more gold can be had that would normally be missed in panning cause its not yellow.
For getting samples out mid wall I have always wondered if a diamond core drill bit would work. They come in sizes like 6" diameter by 15" deep. Once you hit the depth limit of the drill use a chisel and hope if fractures deep in the hole to get a large sample. Quarts is tougher than the concrete the core drills are normally used on so that could be a challenge.
Hey boss, you might wanna start taking a black light down in the mine with you. One of those quartz had a turqoise blue green spot on it. Last time I ran across something that looked like that turned out to be Torbernite / Autunite. Long story short, radioactive. Just a thought.
Tellurium and Tellurium compounds are kindly toxic. I doubt it's anything to worry about as long as you're wearing PPE while chipping out and crushing. Awesome finds man!
Hey Jason, I think it would be a good idea to keep some specimens as is, and some with the tellurium oxidized away! I would also maybe do some of the larger specimens that you think would be nice for showing as well. I just thought of an idea. What if you were able to get a big enough kiln to do this on a larger scale to eliminate the tellurium straight away. May be less efficient than just doing it in the muffle furnace, but just an idea I had.
Just roast it 30 min. like you did with the first piece at first, that the gold just partially shows through. We are in it for the gold, so we want to see it ! 🤠
Hmmmm, now I have to figure out a furnace to roast some of my samples in! That's cool! What a fun pocket to come across. I hope the fuxtix stay out this year.
18:55 I would try to dissolve quartz with caustic soda and purify the samples a little bit. not sure what is going to do to tellurium though. ChatGPT says tellurium will bind to caustic soda, so maybe you will get rid of it with this process. Ask ChatGPT it is very intelligent nowadays
Hi Jason. What you're trying to solve for initially is the mixture density (denoted Greek letter rho subscript m. rho is the symbol for density and m meaning mixture). You know the mixture density of the sample from the scale (3.3125 g/cc). The mixture density, as you correctly assume, is the average of all densities present in the sample. Your assumptions, as far as a non-geologist but someone with a chemistry and engineering background is concerned, seems accurate. Given the sample visibly appears to be almost entirely quartz and the crystals, you can assume that the vast majority of the weight of the sample is those two materials, and therefore can simplify the mixture density down to being two binomial components (which is what you did). This assumption breaks down as the sample gets bigger because you don't have X-ray vision to know if there's a chunk of something random in the middle of a sample, but if you're confident the area the sample came from is almost entirely quartz and the crystals (by mass. aka, the shear mass of sample is those two materials), you can make a judgement call on it still being an accurate assumption. The presence of pure gold (albeit little nuggets, wires, flakes, et c.) comes to mind as probably being the next largest sole contributor to mass, but only you can judge if its a significant enough percentage of each sample that it would throw off the calculations. To solve for the density of each material, simply solve "rho[quartz] * (1-x) + rho[crystals] * (x) = rho[mixture]". Where x is the quality or decimal percentage of crystals being present. You're equation was accurate using x and y for the decimal percentages present, but by making the assumption there are only two materials present, you can assume they're binomial components. Which is to say, adding up the amount of both present equals 100%. So, if you find the sample is 30% crystals, the other 70% has to be quartz. Aka, if x = 0.30, 1 - x becomes 1 - 0.3 = 0.70 Some algebra rearranging gets you to: x = (rho[mixture] - rho[quartz]) / (rho[crystals] - rho[quartz]) Solving for x with the densities from the video gets x = (3.3125 - 2.65) / (8.53 - 2.65) = 0.11267... Again, not a geologist but coming from a chemistry background, it is possible to have alloys / crystal with different ratios of gold atoms. If you want to try and get hyper accurate densities to further improve your estimate of gold trapped in the crystals, you can take samples of almost pure quartz and try to get enough crystals on their own and then determine the densities of both. Again, this all breaks down if the crystals don't end up being just krennerite or there's some other funk in the samples that isn't visible to the naked eye. Also, if krennerite has significant variability based on geographical region on the percentage by weight of gold present. If it's possible to get multiple independent samples of just the crystals and assay / characterize the gold content in each and then average their weight percentage of gold, that would greatly reduce the uncertainty with trying to estimate the gold present by this method. Hope that helps!
A few of Dans’ feathering wedges might be handy about now, Jason. Bust open some seams, grab the rich stuff and get at the smelting. Banging on hard Quartz is not easy.
Jason, this is Darrin from Colorado. About 20 yrs. ago, I was handed a piece of Cripple Creek Colorado gold Telluride ore that had been assaying around 30 ounces per ton. This piece that I was holding was heated also
and had gold all over it and through it. You may have a massive amount of gold that you didn't realize, in that Telluride ore.
Yes, I was thinking about that myself. When I was a wee lad & visited the Molly Kathleen tourist mine in Cripple Creek, my mom bought me a nice $5 ore sample (wonder where it is now?!). It (the gold flecks) was silver-colored, and they told us that that was normal for Cripple Creek ore and, if you roasted this Cripple Creek ore, it would turn into yellow gold. I don't remember them saying anything about tellurides, but then I WAS just a WEE lad, and that was long-long ago now! In any case, this video really struck a chord with me, and I'd REALLY like to learn more about this whole subject. Thanks so much, Jason! - Tom
I concur. I worked on Cripple Creek, Colorado ore back during the early 80s and the gold assays where extremely high. Crush, leach, gravity concentrate, melt (high soda/borax flux)...I look at the overall gold recovery and not the individual Te:Au ratios.
Roast it !
The math seem correct to me.
I think he’s already done the research and he is sitting on a bunch of garbage or he would be mining that garbage and he’s thought up a better you than me get something for my time scheme I hope I’m wrong but I’d be careful buddy this seems fishy
Very much looking forward to a new smelting video from you, and roasting your cons to release the gold - it would be super interesting to take a sample and split it in 3 or more, to figure out how much gold is held up in the Tellurides vs other sulfides and to see how much is liberated using the different methods
I would love to see this also!
Hey Jason, It's Kyle. I think you would have good luck with 2 flat headed screw drivers, they're small but great for high grading like this. I always also bring news paper to wrap specimens so they don't break in my pack.
Thank you for sharing your mine with me. I bought one box and I found about a gram just washing the rocks and then almost another gram after smashing and smashing.
You gave me my first gold in quartz specimen and I really appreciate it.
One day I would like to visit the mine, I'm a work horse and will get that stuff loaded.
Keep up the good work. Heavy pans!
-Kyle.
Atta boy Kyle
In your calculation at 41:00, since you're assuming everything is one or the other, x+y=1, so you can replace y with (1-x), for a direct calculation without guessing and checking.
Imagine the amount of gold still on the floor of this gold mine.
Id vaccuum it all up, better yet id get my old lady to do it, I'll do the panning
In case you missed it Jason had a guest on who actually worked this mine in the past. They used a sluice and ran everything from the floor through it.
EDIT: As others pointed out dredging and sluicing the floor was the goal but they didn’t get around to it due to equipment needs.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
@CFarnwide actually he flooded it and was going to dredge. But he didn't.
@@CFarnwide they wanted to but never actually got the chance
Telluride is a gold, and silver ore. Calavarite contains gold, sylvanite, silver. Cripple Creek is famous for this, specimens are highly sought after. They occur in in California gold rush country, and other areas of the world but are rare it is one of the only times gold alloys with other metals.
Gold alloys with zinc, copper, nickel, iron, cadmium, aluminum, silver, platinum, palladium, mercury, etc. It’s not as rare as one might think.
Iron and gold are best buddy.
@ , damn skippy. Gold rides an iron horse.
Macassa mine in Kirkland lake ontario also has alot of that stuff in the ore .
So it's not tellurium ore?
Ordered my first 25lbs of ore from Jasons mine! 💪🤠🪨🔨Looking forward to it! I'm only about 5 hours south so I should see it pretty quick! Merry Christmas Everyone! May your pans always be heavy and bright!
What price? How much gold do u need to get to actually make it worth it?
I'm 20 minutes into the video and can't believe you're unsure about whether or not to expose the gold.
You purchased a gold mine. You, Harry, and Chad spent countless, backbreaking hours blasting, mucking, lifting, and sweating - It's high time to reap the benefits of your mine - ROAST THE DARN ROCKS and let the gold shine in all its glory 💛
wow look at that visible gold with tellurides and galena! absolutely stunning material!
Use oxalic acid to remove the iron oxide staining, far safer. Playing with the caustic chemicals is fairly hazardous and don't contemplate using hydrofluoric, a drop on your skin will kill you, we used to etch our specimens by exposing the specimen just to the vapour (in a fume hood). Quenching your hot specimens will shatter the quartz, as they did. Very nice mineral specimens.
Incredible calaverite crystals!
This was awesome to be a witness off. The way the gold revealed it self was beautiful to see.
You need a diamond cutting wheel on an angle grinder and/or on a 4-5" dewalt or other battery powered circular saw to cut out samples with. A lot faster than the hammer drill. As for the quartz and tellurides; grind it, run across the table, roast the hell out of the #1 and #2 in the furnace, then smelt at higher temps.
A petrol powered demolition saw
14inch cutting disk water cooled grid it in 3 inch an into it with chisel to pop them out
Hope you get to feelin better Jason! Thank you for all you do and teach. Big inspiration !
I am a math teacher in Oregon. Desmos graphing calculator is free online. In seconds you could graph that equation and find possible answer sets. Just a quick way to get it done.
Jason, I always love your science and math lessons in addition to the adventures. Takes me hours to look up the furnace model and temps for melting, the elemental lists and chemicals. Thanks to you and Dan and Harry for all the hard work this year.
Calaverite (cal-uh-verite) was named after the wonderfully rich mines of Calaveras county, California.
Be careful when roasting as the chemical bond between the AU and the tellerium can cause the finely disseminated gold to volatize.
Also be careful when assaying as this chemical bond can cause up to 40 percent of the gold to be absorbed into the cupel.
The telluride ores of California and Colorado were often measured in pounds, not ounces per ton.
Keep following those telluride bands, i hope you find a ton or two!
You rock✨️🧐
Congratulations Jason, got to be really exciting having your own mine. Stay golden and grand sharing.✌️💪👊🇺🇸⚒️⚒️⚒️⚒️⚒️
Hey Jason, Get well! We all want to see you pour gold bars and the whole process! This video was awesome! Love it when you decide to 'experiment'!! Thumbs up! Get better real soon! Thumbs up! Jim
You should get yourself a set of feather and wedges so you can drill and knock out nicer square chunks
Problem is the quartz is too hard to effectively drill....
I thought he already got those from Dan Hurd
It was a real treat to see that shiny shiny AU in the face. Thnx for showing us.
Can't help you with the technical aspect, but I have about a hundred Tidy Cat pales that I will be willing to give you if you want. Already mentioned them to Harry. My thought is that he can stop by on his way north to your mine. I am in southern Oregon, Just off the 5 on Hwy 99 (the frontage road to the 5) Off at the 35, back on at the 40, easy peasy ... Let me know, if not I will put them out front for free, but if they can help you .... Pales and lids, take what you want....Enjoyed your video as always, thankx for the share.... ~Jekyll the Hyde 🎩
love the shoutout to vogus prospecting, i love his videos
For safety reasons add sodium hydroxide to cold water and heat it up afterwards. It will heat up the water anyway.
Got that right.
i dont know why, but i just want to take a vacuum to an area of the mine and see what gold you get. i know beggars cant be choosers but id love to see like 20 bags go through the shaker table. the shaker table is amazing. love it have a great weekend!
This has been an Awesome journey Jason , I want to thank you for making your God Ore available to the World out there . I just finished panning the last 5 lbs or so that i have left , i'm yet to roast it and get the gold out of it , and then i will smelt the remaining Oxides . I'm seriously tempted to buy some more , it's been lots of fun going along for the ride . Cheers Ned 👍👍
Awesome video. Interesting to watch all the different methods of trying to figure out exactly what minerals these rock are made of. Fun stuff.
I’ e been to Telluride, CO. I was for winter sports clinic for disabled and blind veterans. Had a wonderful time. Many years ago.😊
Fantastic video Jason. . It's great to see the gold in the quartz in the mine.
To be honest with you if you After you roast your ore Jason you should clean them up with acid that you know will make the gold shiny So all that yellow that you see you can make sure it's gold And it should clean it up as well Just a suggest a suggestion for a future Just a suggest a suggestion for a future video maybe
Jason,
I love your mining & experiments & want you to be successful, safe & healthy.
From an experienced chemical engineer whti has worked around a lot if nasty stuff including hydrogen fluoride:
- please put on PPE *before* you handle sodium hydroxide (lye) or strong acids
- insert new PPE filters before starting this kind if experiment with strong boiling lye.
- Dont attempt to use hydrogen fluoride. Its extremely difficult to work with & requires a specialty antidote to neutralize if get it on your skin. It will eat thru flesh, bone, the table, etc. it wont stop.
Be safe & succesful & get well soon!
If you suspend the wire gold into a small amount of clear epoxy, you could make a beautiful pendant out of it. Just a thought. Really nice results in this video. Thanks for sharing. You really do a great job!!!
Excellent video, when we get set up my grandson's and I want to buy some to just play with and see what we can actually remove from the ore.
Thanks for sharing ❤🙏
It would be cool if Harry could be there when you do the panning and smelting next episode. It’s always cool to see your hard work come to fruition.
Have you done any experimenting on electrolytic separation of minerals? I find your enthusiasm for the hunt for minerals wonderfully engaging. Keep it up.
This is super interesting Jason. How much Tellurium have you already passed up???
How much was left in the dumps?
Well Howdy from Montana Jason! I’m pretty sure I’ve been around those telluride crystals in the high mountains, mostly wilderness areas while mountaineering on sharp, exposed ridges. If so, Canada had some amazing spots I’d like to look at again. Most of the areas carrying the crystals were very inaccessible by any motorized vehicles. I wonder if that’s why they were never looked at seriously or mined? Great videos and information, keep those productions coming, I know you work hard at it.
Great vid Tyty. Looking forward to some actual tons crushed and ran to see how viable the mine actually is.
Woohoo! Love an early Saturday mining video, thanks Jason! ⛏️
Hey Jason that’s some great looking ore. GREAT JOB!!! Would you roast half of that stuff. Maybe the less cool looking samples. Then let’s compare the roasted vs the rest. Keep it up we love your videos. I have learned a ton from watching your channel. Thanks and happy holidays.
Really enjoy all your wonderful information of videos and explanations on how to find the gold want to look for and how to smelt it. 😊😊😊
Hey mbmm family... we need to get jason an xrf!
IIRC, doesn't it not "penetrate" the surface that well? So not great for finding pockets, but good for telling us the flake they're looking at is indeed gold?
A dirtbike?? Lol
I believe the man deserves one
Regardless, it would indeed be fun lol
Paliss 1000 6 wel ❤
Hey Jason, I hope you and your family have a merry xmas, from your #1 fan from Nova Scotia, Canada! 😀👌👍✌⛏
Merry Christmas!
Cooking with Jason 😂 29:00
But maybe not dinner....! 🤣
This is one of the most incredible videos Ive seen from you Jason and super impressed with the gold hiding in the tellurides! Then you must decide to keep the larger crystals
or melt down. Your gold mine just became way more high grade!!!!
Would love to come pay you a visit someday. I’m in southern oregon do a lot of sluicing and beach mining.
Hey Jason! Cool experiment! Very interesting video!
Great video Jason you never disappoint. Hope you feel better it sucks being sick
Wow! That is awesome gold! Glad your hard work is paying off. I think you should clean some more gold in the kiln, but at the lowest temp possible so the gold keeps the character it had in the host.
some juicy stuff going on in those samples.....I didnt know Tellurium was associated with gold to that extent thats a cool learning moment Jason so thanks for that and thanks for sharing. Have a great holiday season
Congrats, that's a stunningly rich deposit ! It's almost hard to believe there is that much gold in the vein, even though I'm seeing it with my eyes. :- o
Jason, I'm not metallurgist, but I did look up the melting points of Sulphur & Tellurium, which are related and they are both well below gold, so I think your supposition that there is gold locked up in the Tellurium is spot on. Of course Tellurium in itself might, don't know it value, just be worth something in itself, but in your case if gold is locked up in it, then I would sacrifice it for the gold. Just looked up price of Te, it's going for 2.55/oz., not a lot considering they say it's rarer than gold.
I kept hearing him talk about Tellurides in so many episodes that I finally googled it. Says $45/oz and it's got a lot of uses but I don't know what someone would have to do to separate and purify it. Sounds like something for a chemical refiner channel.
@Y2KNW tellurium dissolves in nitric acid, gold doesn't.
@@ManMountainMetals Is there a way to recover the Te from the nitric for later sale. This would give Jason another income stream.
@@Y2KNW Actually Te goes for about $90.00 per Kg not per oz., if you divide out the ounces in a Kg (35.27) into $90. you get the 2.55/oz. I quoted above
@dennissheridan1550 Yes, and it is super complicated multi stage process but eventually, you drop the tellurium with lye.
You guys are so fun to listen to
Gracias maestro por tus enseñanzas saludos y bendiciones
Hey Jason,
I’m a big fan. I have an idea. My brother in law. Is a core cutter. Can you use a diamond core cutter to first cut a core then break it out , then you can break the quarts into the core hole. This is the way they do it in construction. My in-law does this all the time. Just an idea. You probably would’ve already tried this or discounted it. Once you have a void or a series’s of core holes maybe feather a wedge it out. Anyhow thanks for the great content!
Stay healthy Jason.
I still have 50lbs of your muck from last season that I have been going through, well trying to. Looking to buy more, I do lapidary work and want to make some cabs. Looking to buy more :)
Thank you Jason, Harry and all those who have helped you...Wish I could have been one.
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Jason. Use a torch, to art the hell out of these things. Let's you leave the natural beauty of the tellurium, see the gold, and look at the transition. Also let's you science the heck out of the questions that you have concerning the alloy/coating, etc.
Yes! Do lots of experiments!!!
And I would be running back to that mine to fill some bags and start grinding and smelting!! I look forward to you doing an assay of that wall section.
I'm glad you did this!! Now make a huge furnace lol
Awesome video Jason thanks for sharing this with us six stars brother
This video was awesome!! I love it when you do these experiments.
Thank you for this one! I really wanted to see it done this way! Peace!❤😊
Would be interesting to see you smelt out those tellurides. Or maybe soak them and oxidize them out first?
about 18:50 '; the wire gold/telluride sample, I think you should soak the opposite end in Hydrofluoric acid, but leave the wire out.
Greetings from the Big Sky of Montana. I am reminded of my kitchen stove seeing your hot plate.
i wored masonry and one of those portable diamond saws would cut 4 inches deep and you could cut long rectangles out of the rock in very little time.
Roast It! When I was in the 6th, my teacher told us about your Orr. That was in Colorado more than 55 years ago. ROAST It!
Fun video Jason. ❤ learning and discovering along wth u! Whatever u do will b beneficial. Knowledge and wisdom.
Jason, you need to have me teach you how to dowse the precious metal veins and ore shoots in your mine. This is no bullshit physics that are the same physics that energizes the alarm on electronic metal detectors. In the 1970's my father and I reverse engineered the physics involved in dowsing and invented the modern light weight ball bearing dowsing rod for using dowsing physics in locating our old core-drill on the exact center of gold and silver veins that are buried under 200 feet of glacier rock and till, which worked out perfectly for us. I wrote the book to teach the world how to apply physics in dowsing. My book: The Art of Dowsing - Separating Science from Superstition ($14.95), by Michael Fercik, explains all the physics involved in dowsing and teaches how to build the modern light weight ball bearing dowsing rod, which is the only dowsing rod that accurately gauges the element being dowsed by pitting the energy of gravity against the energizing of the pure one-tenth ounce dowsing rod load that is tapped onto the ELEVATED acetylene welding rod that is free spinning on ball bearings. This precisely gauges the dowsing of all edges, exact center, depth buried with angle of deposition, and most important is grading or deciphering the amount of the dowsed element that is contained in the elemental mass that is being dowsed. Anybody can become a professional dowser by practicing and mastering my book's dowsing lessons. I hope dowsing enriches your life intellectually and financially.
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@@happycamper4thewin A couple of years from now you will be eating crow, because this does work only if you know the physics involved in dowsing are the same physics that energizes the alarm on electronic metal detectors, except when a 9999 fine gold dowsing rod load is tapped onto the ELEVATED acetylene welding rod that is free spinning on ball bearings, only gold will energize the dowsing rod. Electronic gold metal detectors require digging up trash instead of gold, with that being the only thing found for most prospectors on an average day. The rest of us will have the uneducated prospectors leaving the high concentrations of gold left for the prospector using physics in dowsing to find the gold that is bypassed by others. By the way, you can dowse gold deposits that are buried under hundreds or thousands of feet of cover. Go Figure !
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Boiling and hot sodium hydroxide is absolutely terrifying from a safety perspective.
I use it in the metallurgy industry for processing some ores and it is always my least favourite process.
Well, aside from HF stuff.
Congrats. You've certainly paid your dues. I learn a lot about geology and applied metallurgy from your shows. Best kk
18:55 Do the dissolving the quartz first to expose the metalics and then experiment with roasting! Great fun!
I hope your whole mine produces like your 2 ounce sample. Very interesting, thank you.
Holy cow! Wish I had one of those furnaces to check out some of my own.
Great video Jason !!
Your results make me think that maybe you should be roasting the high grade before grinding and putting it on the shaker table. If the teluride is mixed with the gold, wouldn't that change the density? And if they are bound, might they not collect properly on the shaker table? Maybe you'd increase your yield if you baked the ore first before grinding.
Way cool all the methods you did great experiment. Beautiful. Blessings
14:00 I commented before I realized you were doing the exact experiment I was hoping to see. Thats amazing stuff!
Amazing show ❤🎉
Suggestion. Crush up some ore. Pan it out, but towards the end don't try to remove the black part as waste. Save the black part, pan it the rest of the way to get the gold as normal. Then dry and fire the black part to see how much more gold can be had that would normally be missed in panning cause its not yellow.
For getting samples out mid wall I have always wondered if a diamond core drill bit would work. They come in sizes like 6" diameter by 15" deep. Once you hit the depth limit of the drill use a chisel and hope if fractures deep in the hole to get a large sample. Quarts is tougher than the concrete the core drills are normally used on so that could be a challenge.
Hey boss, you might wanna start taking a black light down in the mine with you. One of those quartz had a turqoise blue green spot on it. Last time I ran across something that looked like that turned out to be Torbernite / Autunite. Long story short, radioactive. Just a thought.
Cheers
Tellurium and Tellurium compounds are kindly toxic. I doubt it's anything to worry about as long as you're wearing PPE while chipping out and crushing. Awesome finds man!
Your number 2 on your shaker table should be awesome.
I think you should rost more of it. Very cool indeed.
Hey Jason, I think it would be a good idea to keep some specimens as is, and some with the tellurium oxidized away! I would also maybe do some of the larger specimens that you think would be nice for showing as well. I just thought of an idea. What if you were able to get a big enough kiln to do this on a larger scale to eliminate the tellurium straight away. May be less efficient than just doing it in the muffle furnace, but just an idea I had.
Smelt it all! That's a most interesting part of your content!
Just roast it 30 min. like you did with the first piece at first, that the gold just partially shows through. We are in it for the gold, so we want to see it ! 🤠
Hmmmm, now I have to figure out a furnace to roast some of my samples in! That's cool! What a fun pocket to come across. I hope the fuxtix stay out this year.
Id leave as is, just perfect knowing whats inside, hold it, love it🌀✨️🧐
Oh man, congratulations... you strok it rich! The American dream!
When I do the math, we'll have a new Goldrush in the next few years.
CRUSH IT ROAST IT GET THAT GOLD!!
Awesome video, so very interesting discovery
18:55 I would try to dissolve quartz with caustic soda and purify the samples a little bit. not sure what is going to do to tellurium though. ChatGPT says tellurium will bind to caustic soda, so maybe you will get rid of it with this process. Ask ChatGPT it is very intelligent nowadays
Ayyy, vogus shoutout!
Hi Jason. What you're trying to solve for initially is the mixture density (denoted Greek letter rho subscript m. rho is the symbol for density and m meaning mixture). You know the mixture density of the sample from the scale (3.3125 g/cc). The mixture density, as you correctly assume, is the average of all densities present in the sample.
Your assumptions, as far as a non-geologist but someone with a chemistry and engineering background is concerned, seems accurate. Given the sample visibly appears to be almost entirely quartz and the crystals, you can assume that the vast majority of the weight of the sample is those two materials, and therefore can simplify the mixture density down to being two binomial components (which is what you did). This assumption breaks down as the sample gets bigger because you don't have X-ray vision to know if there's a chunk of something random in the middle of a sample, but if you're confident the area the sample came from is almost entirely quartz and the crystals (by mass. aka, the shear mass of sample is those two materials), you can make a judgement call on it still being an accurate assumption. The presence of pure gold (albeit little nuggets, wires, flakes, et c.) comes to mind as probably being the next largest sole contributor to mass, but only you can judge if its a significant enough percentage of each sample that it would throw off the calculations.
To solve for the density of each material, simply solve "rho[quartz] * (1-x) + rho[crystals] * (x) = rho[mixture]". Where x is the quality or decimal percentage of crystals being present. You're equation was accurate using x and y for the decimal percentages present, but by making the assumption there are only two materials present, you can assume they're binomial components. Which is to say, adding up the amount of both present equals 100%. So, if you find the sample is 30% crystals, the other 70% has to be quartz. Aka, if x = 0.30, 1 - x becomes 1 - 0.3 = 0.70
Some algebra rearranging gets you to: x = (rho[mixture] - rho[quartz]) / (rho[crystals] - rho[quartz])
Solving for x with the densities from the video gets x = (3.3125 - 2.65) / (8.53 - 2.65) = 0.11267...
Again, not a geologist but coming from a chemistry background, it is possible to have alloys / crystal with different ratios of gold atoms. If you want to try and get hyper accurate densities to further improve your estimate of gold trapped in the crystals, you can take samples of almost pure quartz and try to get enough crystals on their own and then determine the densities of both.
Again, this all breaks down if the crystals don't end up being just krennerite or there's some other funk in the samples that isn't visible to the naked eye. Also, if krennerite has significant variability based on geographical region on the percentage by weight of gold present. If it's possible to get multiple independent samples of just the crystals and assay / characterize the gold content in each and then average their weight percentage of gold, that would greatly reduce the uncertainty with trying to estimate the gold present by this method.
Hope that helps!
Talk with Dave from Goldbay he's an artist at revealing gold in quartz would be a great collaborative video to boot!?!?!
A few of Dans’ feathering wedges might be handy about now, Jason. Bust open some seams, grab the rich stuff and get at the smelting. Banging on hard Quartz is not easy.
You get to do some of the most exciting things in these mines