The 2003 turtles was pretty much the first serious show I ever watched and I got super invested in it. I still have my box of figures from the show in a drawer somewhere. Unlike other franchises from my childhood I didn't really keep up with the series because I was pretty sure none of the new versions could compare to these guys. This retrospective was a super fun time to watch and a trip down memory lane thanks for making it
when i became turtles fan, it was because i saw glimpses of 2003 show on tv and i fell in love with everything about it after a while i finaly got to watch the show and i soon realised how awersome it is, i was hooked on every story, altough i only watched untill end of season 1, except the part where turtles flee newyork, and from season 2 saw bare minimum, at best the civil war between foot, purple dragons and mafia edit: it is also because of this, that as a kid, i hated 1987 turtles, finding them boring, too kid friendly, imature and pointless
I always wondered if the characterization of the 87 Turtles was because of Peter Laird's own feelings towards the first adaptation of his work. Seems like Emilio Lopez speculated the same thing. This might also explain why the original Mirage Turtles are treated as the most badass Turtle team.
@@CarbonRollerCaco Exactly when the 2003 Turtles enter the Mirage dimension everything's ridiculously gritty and Leonardo is giving voiceover completely in universe.
he shouldnt feel any type of way.. if he wanted the turtles to be the badasses that they were in the beginning he wouldn't have gave the rights to make them kid friendly
@@OctacleEdits 2012 was a fantastic series with some of the best versions of the characters, like Splinter, the Fugitoid, Rat King, etc. There were some very engaging stories, as well. However, I wasn't too keen on the gross and immature humour the earlier seasons were riddled with, along with some of the characters being a bit over the top at times. 2012 never really grew out of that stuff unfortunately. It also ended in kind of a weird way. I do prefer the 2003 series and found at least some enjoyment in even the meh episodes (last two seasons are a different story for the most part). I couldn't say the same for the 2012 series, but when that show was being awesome, it was freakin' awesome.
I love the ending forth wall moment of this movie, where Eastman and Laird are finishing the first issue, and are just like, "I hope it sells." This franchise had such humble beginnings, it will always be endearing to me.
I learned they picked the name Mirage Studios as there was no studio at the time, just 2 guys drawing at a table, so the studio was just in their heads
a funny thing i notice in that scene is that laird refered the comic as "the first issue" but in reality when they were making it it was intended as a one off comic and only became an on going series after it was released.
I like Turtles Forever, it’s a great send off for the 2003 series. And even though I haven’t seen the 80’s cartoon I do empathise with fans who loved that version get so poorly represented in this. It’s strange that this special is simultaneously a fun celebration of the franchise & also disrespectful & cynical towards one of if not the most popular iteration.
I'm guessing it's because the '80 cartoon gave the masses the impression that it was THE definitive TMNT simply for being the first big piece of TMNT media and made them think the 2003 version was a faux-edgy bastardization. Just like how Sega of America misrepresented '90s Sonic The Hedgehog unbeknownst to the larger West and thus catalyzed the initial backlash to Sonic Adventure. They made people want a lie. But looking at this more closely, it becomes clear that total faithfulness to ANY incarnation of TMNT was never the point of TF. Each cast was purposely flanderized to act like a hybrid of themselves and their fans, with the Splinters being the voices of reason. The whole point is that multiple incarnations of a franchise world can be valid in their own ways, and if so, it's kind of dumb to fight over which is "the right one". Of course, TMNT never had a certain OTHER problem Sonic had, which is mass retconning worldwide even after the original way was clarified, TRULY officially supplanting one canon with another like people wouldn't notice/care, as what happened with Adventure 2. And there's the issue of wasting storytelling opportunity in order to be commentorial-a pain I feel whenever I think of the Kirby anime. But I'm also not a fan of AU stories in general; I generally see them as copouts in lieu of actual creativity, fanservicey or not. And since TMNT actually started as a parody, perhaps the route TF took as a franchise-wide satire was the right one.
From what I understand, Laird, who was involved with the 2003 version, very much disliked the 1987 cartoon, due to its silliness and how they basically ignored his and Eastman's advice.
Its shocking to learn that the 2003 turtles are the least liked. Cause they have the best writing until the later seasons. It was good with its serious story and had great unique characters.
The haters are probably people who recently got into the series or fans who grew up with the 1987 series and first live action movies, viewing them with rose tinted glasses. Not saying the 1987 series or movies are bad, but the 2003 series is so great that I'm genuinely shocked it doesn't get more respect.
@@FoxsDumbSeriesMaker Or simply the mindless mainstream followers who nowadays dub anything and everything "edgy/tryhard" if it have a darker and mature take on a once more childfriendly and lighthearted show. I for example LOVE the 2003 series especially for that more mature and darker tone.
Their not the least liked. I've heard a lot of people say they don't like the one that came after 2012 and say it's the worst. Either way my favorite will always be 03 even with the later seasons. 2012 was fine at the beginning but didn't keep my attention after the second season.
@@Acacius1992 Yes, that too. Having some edge and seriousness doesn't automatically make something bad. The show had enough color, humour, and lighthearted situations to balance out the more mature themes. I also love the 2003 series and would love to see something done for it next year for its anniversary.
@@RheemQ I'm the opposite for the 2012 series. I found the early stuff was okay but felt that the show got significantly better as it went on. I definitely agree on 2003 being the best, though! Even the "bad" or "filler" episodes were still enjoyable for me to watch. As much as I like it, I can't say the same about 2012. Some of those less interesting episodes were rough.
In regards to Nickelodeon doing a shit job with releasing this movie DVD, as someone who grew up on Nickelodeon, this was a very common practice for them to essentially release official bootlegs of their shows years back before they licensed them out to Shout Factory; FOP, MLAAT, and so on had this issue in the past, just a heads up
Nick: Nah I don’t really feel like it. I am much focusing on SpongeBob because of money (SpongeBob laugh) Raph: WHAT THE SHELL!! (Angry and punch) Nick: (SpongeBob yell 😱)
My only problem with Turtles forever was that it made 80's turtles incompetent clowns. 2003 Turtles are my favorite but i didn't like how 1980's turtles were treated.
@@CopturGobot and that’s what the 2012 series did better. Yes the 2012 Turtles did better when the crossed over with the 80’s Turtles. They treated the 80’s Turtles with respect while still poking fun at the 80’s counterparts goofy aspects
This movie had so many 4Kids voice actors voicing the different versions of the characters. It was really fun recognizing who was voicing who and which Turtle sounded like which other 4Kids character. Best part was Dan Green (Yugi) and Jason Griffith (Sonic) both voicing Leonardo.
That Jason Griffith gets everywhere, from sonic, to tmnt, to chaotic and even a 2016 anime movie. I wonder how it felt to actors getting to play the turtles. It must have been a big honor for them
@@sagittariusseiya8310 One, this isn't a Sonic video, two, they're not coming back save Pollock who never left, and three, Amy Palant is the worst Tails.
But, how would a crossover between the 2012 and the 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series’ play out? Who would be the main villain of the crossover?
Turtles Forever in my eyes was a GREAT way to honor the history of TMNT. I really loved this Movie. Overall, TMNT 2003 was & still is my favorite iteration of the Ninja Turtles, and nothing else can top it. I really wanna rewatch this show sometime, and your reviews have boosted my hype for it. Thank you so much, J.
My only problem with turtles forever was leonardo's depiction. after watching a few seasons of the 87 tmnt, raph, donnie and mikey are at least semi-accurate. leo on the other hand was just michelangelo II as if they never saw any of the scenes where leo is a level headed leader with more common sense than the others. it doesn't help that he was voiced by dan green. who used his knuckles voice for him.
I will give Forever some credit that they did a great job animating the 87 series! As a kid from the 80s, they did great! Sadly...they way they were treated was awful...
That's one thing they had over the 2012 series because I did not like how the 87 series was animated in the 2012 series. It look like a generic flash cartoon.
These 8 videos are the greatest pieces of content on the 2003 series in the history of the internet. Best stuff since DrDrinkX10s old 1987 v 2003 series circa 2010. Thanks, brother
Thanks man! This comment really put a smile on my face, since I've seen your videos too. I think it was your Shredder video that made me go back and watch the show again in 2020, really reignited the passion I have for it. I also loved Classic TMNT vs New TMNT, I was on the edge of my seat when I first saw that back in 2012.
Been watching every episode of the retrospective and it’s been a blast. The 2003 turtles were my first experience with the franchise and it brings me back to a more simpler time. I remember watching a few episodes with my mom and she would tell me stories about how she use to watch the 80s turtles with my brother. It’s crazy to think the brand had so much power to connect different generations of fans. I never caught turtles forever until a few years later and I think it was also shown in theaters.
@@giornojoestar4411 Not everyone does. Put it this way - it was necessary, even if it was tremendously watered down compared to the comics, simply because it was made accessible to a very young audience and once it hit the mainstream, Turtle Mania exploded. I really do think if 1987 Turtles didn't happen, the franchise would have fizzled out a long time ago, because it would have stayed an underground cult comic that very few would have known about. It may be annoying to true fans, but it was the first cartoon that got me into the franchise and I will always have a soft spot for it.
@@Longlostpuss Shhshshshshshshshhshshshshhhhhshhhhhhhhh shhhhh. Shh. (I only said that to troll “Professor” Caos because throughout all the other comments on this video, he bashes the 2003 series and mocks its fans, and was being a giant bootie sandwich about people’s tastes, probably just some edgy boomer who can’t have other people enjoy stuff that isn’t what he grew up with.
I myself also grew up with the 03 turtles, so it'll always hold a special place for me. I've checked out the other cartoons like the 2012 series and rise. I still need to finish the 87 series. Even looking forward to the movie that rise is getting. I remember playing Mutant Melee and Smash up. Each iteration of TMNT have their strengths and weaknesses and its good to have the option of what you want to see more of with the turtles.
I’d definitely love a 2nd turtles forever with all of the current incarnations we have, I’d be extremely pleased to see 03 Donatello and 12 Donatello interacting, another dynamic I’d need is rise Leo and interactions with his other counterparts, since he’s considered the odd one out for how distinct his personality is
@@dice9270 well for the 2003 games, there was a few cg cut scenes, though poor in quality. I’d definitely like to see that revisited but modernized. We already have cg 87 as shown in “trans dimensional turtles.” Not sure about rise tbh.
87, 90s, 03, 07, 12, 16, Rise, and 22.. movie and cartoon versions all together and interacting with all their versions villans, and all meeting the b/w comics Turtles would be a Rad crossover, even if it was just the cartoons (80s to 23 Turtles, plus the OG comics Turtles) without the movies versions being in it. It'd be like a Tmnt Battle Royal! That would be sweet!
I really enjoyed the 2003 series, because unlike a lot of other cartoons, it had a good story and tackled some serious issues. I've honestly liked it so much, I couldn't believe that in other series Splinter was a human. It just felt... off. Them just being mutated from the ooze, which had different effects on different creatures was cool. I loved the idea of an alien shredder, but then realizing that there was this demonic one too, which was much more powerful. I'm gonna miss this show, and I kinda hope it returns, but with good creative freedom to BE a good story. Tbh, this show reminds me of Teen Titans, which then turned into Teen Titans Go. Of which, I cannot stand because of how childish it is from something that was so serious.
Curious if you ever seen Young Justice or the DCAU Teen Titans. They seem to take the serious aspect of the 2000s Teen Titans while Go took pure comedy. I heavily recommend watching those two especially with Young Justice still making new episodes
"If the 2003 Turtles came back in some new thing and they were seen as try-hard edgelords, I would not be happy" Kinda how I felt about the 2003 Titans in _Teen Titans vs Teen Titans Go!_
Still hoping for a TMNT 2003 Complete series till this day. It had these great moments and the love and care that's unlike any cartoons I have watched as a kid. Exaggerating I know, but I just can't get it outta my head, even over 15 years later.
A few years ago I got tired of waiting and made my own. Seasons 1, 2, 5, and 6 used the official DVDs, but everything else was put onto dual-layered DVD-Rs, which holds about 13 episodes per disc.
One thing I would like to brush up on, is in the director's cut of the deleted scenes, for Turtles' Forever. In the scene where Shredder grabs the original '84 Turtles, even though he is killing off the Turtles' Universe, it is affecting him too. At one point, he starts to feel the affects, of fading out of existence, which causes him to loosen his grip, and eventually get what was coming to him, in the end! Even though Karai tried to talk him out of it, it was the affects that he was feeling, that caused him to stop doing when he was doing, not Karai! If he would have killed the Turtles' Universe, he would have killed himself as well! Which poses another question: How would Shredder, been able to pull killing off the Turtles' Universe, without killing himself, & the other incarnations of him? I guess he didn't realize, that his tie in with the Turtles', was always going to be something he had to worry about, as long as he, had the feud with Splinter. So technically, the only person that Shredder can blame, is himself! Think about that!
I couldn’t have said it better myself. The 03 show saved the brand from being trapped in the past. And for that, all the changes that were made, it seems to have been slept on quite a bit. Totally unique style of music and art has been a big inspiration for me personally. The love I have for it will never die, and I hope others really give it a chance.
Oh wow.. we Turtles fans are so Sectarian and divided, arguing which was the best and official when it really isn't true. 87 03 & 12, They ALL had and have their pros and cons, strengths and weaknesses.. except for Rise and Mayham if what they'd released so far is true. Then I think we can come together and agree that these last two suck and should be redone right. At least there aren't any horrid changes with our Beloved Tmnt from 1987 2003 & 2012 iterations as they're trying to get away with now.
I adored this entire retrospective series. You actually got me decently back into the TMNT franchise, which I hadn’t really even thought much about since I was around 12 years old. I even started my own full rewatch of the 2003 series thanks to your retrospective not too long ago. Can’t wait to see what’s next for both your channel and the Turtles.’
When the 2012 TMNT series did its Cross over with the 1987 series, I PRAYED that we would get a crossover with 2003 series. Since the differences between the Utrom Shredder and the 2012 Shredder were so minimal, I was hoping they would bring back the Demon Shredder to really amp up the stakes to have the need for two teams of Turtles, since the amulets required for the dragon transformation were destroyed. Also, considering the 2003 turtles would at this point be adults and not teenagers, they could give the younger 2012 group some nice tidbits. Have 03 Leo teach about leadership, 03 Donny how to dream big and think on your feet, 03 Raph gives some tips on how to chanel one's anger, and both Mikeys learning tips and tricks from each other.
As someone who's never given TMNT more than a passing glance my whole life, these videos were very entertaining and informative. I feel like I've gained an appreciation for a franchise I've never much interacted with
@WWE , this is true cause i grew up on 2003 series and really liked the 2012 series as well but i can barley watch the 80s series i can enjoy the characters in crossovers like this movie but that's about it i get too bored watching an episode of the 80s show
Its worth checking out if you get the chance. Personally I’d say every main TMNT series is great but it depends on you. Shredders revenge is a fun recent beat em up though and there’s a new movie (animated YES) coming to theaters. Rise of the TMNT is the most recent and just ended. Its great and pretty low barrier of entry (more comical on the surface with shorter episodes though it gets more serious as it continues with great action scenes).
Funny when you talk about voices, that you don't mention that 1987 Raphael's voice is now Donatello in the 2012 version (both acted by Rob Paulsen). That was actually quite an easter egg for old school fans.
2012 tmnt was surprisingly great. i absolutly loved it. from the music to the stylized running on the rooftops. it was great. then they brought in the mutanimals! great stuff
I remember of enjoying "TMNT: Turtles Forever" from my childhood, and that I'm glad you enjoy this animated film very much. I still hope you can check out Batman Vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film as one of best crossover of all time.
It warms my heart that there still so many fans who acknowledge this show. The 2003 series was my first exposure to the franchise, been a fan ever since. It may not be the most iconic or most talked about version of the TMNT but, at has to be the most important one. It revitalized the franchise after nearly a decade and helped the brand stay relevant for years after. TMNT maybe be as big as it is because of the 2003 series and that's something to be happy about. Awesome retrospective J, I didn't expect anyone to put so much effort into researching the Turtles franchise as much as you! Great job and keep content like this coming!
One of my best friends worked on the tail end of this series as an intern and was promoted during the making of this movie. It launched his career in animation (which he's still doing today) and he says this is still the coolest thing he's ever done, working on a Ninja Turtles show.
I think there would always be some division among fans concerning the 2003 and 1987 versions, but there probably would've been less if they had been airing 1987 TMNT reruns on like, ANY of the networks. That includes before 4Kids even made the 2003 one. If the artists needed fans for references, it kinda implies either the 1987 series was either not well preserved or the owners were being stingy in general. We could've easily had the 1987 on on Cartoon Network during the late 90s/early 2000s. Know what they were PLAYING back then when it wasn't like Dexter's Lab or the like? 900 episodes of Tom and Jerry replays from like 1955. And whatever barbara stuff is now on Boomerang. Kids would've loved an action show during that time. And it's not entirely like Cartoon network was allergic to 80s shows during that time. I recall Toonami playing He Man and Thundercats on occassion. It was weird in contrast to the animes they were showing, but they weren't afraid to show them. Idk, maybe the 1987 owners just thought "This isn't making toy money anymore, why bother?" like a bunch of other 80s shows. Hell to this day I've seen more of Transformers Armada and Energon than I ever did the original show. And the shows I just named don't even show up anymore anywhere.
Something kinda like that happened in Canada, the original series got played on Teletoon retro from 2012 till the network ended in 2015. Kinda wish there where more channels that did only reruns of older cartoons like it, the network had other kinds of shows like the g1 Transformers, GI Joe, lonny toons, and even Power Rangers.
Fun fact. The 2000 series was under one of the creator power. Like Lairds made every choice and he expressed that he didn't like the 1980's cartoons. So the 80's turtles treatment can be seen as Lairds hating them. Edited; And this was before 10:23. 😅
I didn't mind Rise, but growing up with the 2003, and 2012 versions left me wanting for more story, and less gags. As the show felt like the viewer could ignore just about any episode and still know what was going on, as it was there for laughs and memes and not a serious plot. Maybe it got better, and doubled down on the plot but I didn't stick with it that long.
@@proto245 glad it did get better. The audience is usually smarter than shows pander to and while a show aimed for jokes can work it certainly wouldn't be for everyone especially parents watching it with their kids. Myself I probably won't have time to go back and revisit it, I'm barely finding time for shows now.
@@VATROU If you don't find the series good, than at least watch the Rise of The TMNT Movie, it works as a standalone piece enough you don't need the show to enjoy the film, BTW, it features the best Krang ever, I find them to be on par with Ch'rell.
this has been an amazing series of reviews, TMNT 2003 is my favorite TMNT series, and its great to see that others still love it like i do. thank you for all this awesome vids. please keep up the great work COWABUNGA!!
Man what a Retrospective. I had a fun time watching and this series brought back a lot of memories of the 03 Turtles for me. I hope it gets released on bluray soon. Seeing a review of the classic series, movies and 2012 series would be nice.
Turtles forever is such a big part of my childhood I still love the story but I will admit the 80’s turtles should’ve been treated better. Nevertheless this retrospective was a surprise and I definitely want to see you talk about tmnt more in the future
Watching this live was such a trip man, so many memories... Thanks for doing this series J, as a 2000s kid myself, I've always been looking for people talking about this show on youtube, only to find very little. You're the best my man!
I grew up on the 80's Turtles. But for me the 2003 Turtles were better. They had a good an solid story for the first 5 seasons. But yeah. Even the 2012 series was good. But Rise. It was too different I think.
I've been looking forward to this video but I have to admit I'm not a really big fan of Turtles forever. While it's not necessarily a bad TV special it essentially craps all over the old Turtles and just pretends that they don't have any real skills and need to be trained by the 03 Turtles despite the 87 turtles being legitimate badasses as early as the first episode of the 87 series. They could have honored both shows without belittling the older show.
@@Lobsterwithinternet yeah he definitely has a hate boner for the 87 show. That's also why we have Toca and Rahzar as the villains in the second movie because they refused to allow any of the TV show villains into the live action films at the time.
I have a disclaimer to make. I grew up on and loved the 87 series. However when I started watching the 03 series I loved it. I felt it was THE quintessential series. It was the series I "remembered" not the one I grew up on. It was fantastic and well written/acted. When I heard about the 2012 series I wanted NOTHING to do with it at first. Afterall, how could NICK produce something even remotely as good as the 2003 series. I sat through a few episodes when they aired and was surprised at the heart, action, humor and...to an extent...nostalgia. I felt. The 87 series was light hearted, funny, and full of camp, the 03 series was darker, more serious, more action packed. The 2012 series found the same balance Nick found with Avatar the Last Airbender. It was light hearted and funny when it could be...but the show writers were ALLOWED to let the show take it self seriously, and did so quite a bit. They weren't afraid to go to some pretty dark places (for nick) and they weren't afraid to deal with the fallout from those events. I wouldn't say the 2012 series REPLACES 03 as the best series. but it might be the most...BALANCED...version. It legitimately felt like a near perfect hybridization of the 87 and 03 series' and I hope you find the time to review it. But for now, I have found and come to enjoy your channel thanks to these reviews. You have earned a new subscriber and I wish you and your channel nothing but the best for the future.
Honestly, I wish Nick, after acquiring the franchise, had been convinced to get together the original voice cast to dub over the 80's group, maybe changing a line here and there. Simply having the original cast there would have made the movie work so much better.
I always view Turtles Forever is noncanon due to the whole multiverse thing, and I enjoy it a lot more I think. Overall though, the thing that holds the movie back is the anticlimactic ending to the Shredder. Like why is it that for the grand finale the death of the Shredder isn't caused by all of the turtles working together, but instead Bebop and Rocksteady being idiots? Between this and the crossovers of the 2012 series, I really couldn't say which one is better tho, as they each have issues that hold em back.
I can understand Laird’s sentiments regarding the original series, but to me the worst thing you can do to a preexisting version of a property is to be derisive and demeaning to it. DmC did this with the “Not in a million years” comment, and this is the same thing. The 2003 series exists because the 80s series existed. And you can try and say “well, the only reason the 80’s series exists is because Laird’s comic exists!” Yes. And it was a very popular indie comic, that didn’t have the same exposure as the cartoon. So please, don’t disrespect the things that came, before.
As someone who got to experience both the 87 and the 2003 series as a kid…I would've loved to see a crossover that payed equal respect to both series. I think they could've done so much more with the dynamic between the two teams. The two donatellos were handled decently but the other's didn’t interact that much. In my mind: 87 and 03 leo would jump between complimenting each other to arguing over tactics 87 and 03 Mikey would be chillin I could see 87 Raph (being a bit of a dick but way less moody) going out of his way to annoy 03 Raph and vice versa…but the two would ultimately bond over making fun of the other turtles
Exactly the 80s turtle was treated so poorly n this movie(to the point they cry and run away from a fight which they never did n their series) thankfully Trans dimensional turtles got this right and was everything turtles forever should have been in terms of treating and respecting both teams(and it wasn't even a 1 hour special).
I enjoyed it. But I can absolutely see why many fans of the 80’s Turtles series would have issue with it. I feel like the 2012 show did a better job with their crossover while treating the 80’s turtles with respect.
So glad I found your series! This show has always been one of my most nostalgic yet underseen shows. These are my Turtles too, and I love them dearly! Thank you for putting so much effort and care into this. Fantastic!
A lot of my childhood and early teenage years were with these turtles. Plus, I love me some ratchet and Clank! Both are some of my favorite series representing more innocent time of life. But it’s going to take the nostalgia goggles off and see things for what they really are and still appreciate them
The 2012 show is a slow starter, but it's honestly pretty great in the long run, it's a good half-way between the 80s turtles and the 03 turtles in the early seasons, but the later seasons can honestly get darker than even the 03 series at its own darkest moments. I highly recommend you watch the show, it honestly surprised me how good it was when I finally watched it.
I respect that but honestly I can't stand more than 5 minutes of the 2012 version. The tone and characters are way too goofy. It feels like every turtle is a version of Michelangelo... when Michelangelo was 5.
@@JAYDOG1337A Yes, and because of your comment I chose a random episode (a two parter in fact) in the third season and tried to watch it. The tone was still goofy so I went back to make my comment. You can maybe argue that when the plot picks up the tone gets serious but I'm not comfortable having such a tone for filler episodes either.
Its shocking to learn that the 2003 turtles are the least liked. Cause they have the best writing until the later seasons. It was good with its serious story and had great unique characters.
I grew up with 2003 series and barely saw the 90s version as well, and even then I could tell they were mostly satirising their tone and 90s aesthetics rather than faithfully recreating them. But I still had a lot of fun watching it, and could tell there was so much homage to past series even if I couldn't spot them out. Definitely a good way to end the uneven later parts of the series.
The thing is, Peter Laird's memories *of his own comic* apparently need a refresh. The fact is, the original Mirage comics were actually just as silly and goofy as the 1987 show most of the time. It's just that the FIRST ISSUE was grim and serious and for a long time that was the easiest issue to find (because it was hosted on the official website) and this gave people a skewed perception of the comic. This idea Laird and a lot of people have that the 1987 cartoon took TMNT and made it silly just does not mesh with reality if you go and read the original Mirage run at all. In reality it was goofy with the occasional serious bit up until the first volume ended with the "City at War" arc... a storyline that started in 1992. Actual storylines that happened in the comic: -Casey Jones goes on a crusade to stop people from destroying a plastic restaurant mascot he admired as a kid. -The turtles get involved in a conflict between old superheroes (living in a literal superhero retirement home) and an old enemy who turns out to actually be holding a candle for the female heroine. -a THREE PART storyline involving a time-travelling little girl, first asking the turtles to prevent her from being born a mutant, then herself being tricked into making the human race peaceful so they're easy to conquer. Yeah Laird, the 1987 show is the whole reason people think TMNT is goofy. Sure.
They then did it again with the 2012 3D one. Like the same concept and everything. However my favorite part is a toss up between when the '03 turtles meet up with '87 Splinter for a cup of tea and a breath of sanity, or the scene with both Dons trying to fix the thing. '03 Don spouting tech jargon while '87 is mumbling a sing-song in panic.
Thanks for a solid retrospective. I started rewatching the series in early 2019 when the pandemic first started but I fell off mid season 4 due to unforseen circumstances. I saw Turtles Forever at a local DVD shop and picked it up to only get right back into the series maybe a month before you did your season 4 video. Needless to say it was nice hearing your thoughts on every season while I was also watching them just to get different perspectives. Solid review man can't wait to see what else you produce
i mean i think the reason why we are seeing a "revival" of the original 1987 series is because most of the fans of that show are now grown adults in their mid to late 30s with a lot of money and nostalgia for that show, while for the 2003 show most of its fanbase are now adults yes but most are in their early to mid 20s and still dont have that much spending power, by the 2030s or mid 2020s i could see a huge revival of this show as the fans of this era of the turtles get more jobs and become a bigger part of the economy specially now that watching cartoons isnt something just "for kids" thank to the internet blowing that way of thinking out of the water
I gotta say, your TMNT reviews have helped improve my feelings towards 2000s TMNT. Back in the 2000s, I was an instant fan of the new show and loved it; but after watching 'Turtles Forever' throw the classic Turtles under the bus, a hatred for 2000s TMNT was born within the depth of my soul. That was also around the time I basically gave up on the franchise, as Nickelodeon wasn't doing anything great with the TMNT property, and the M.Bay movies are a pile of dogshit. That said, I will always treasure the classic TMNT and the OG Mirage TMNT; and now, 2000s TMNT as well. ...P.S; To Hell with Turtles Forever.
get out of your head for a second. im an 87 turtles guy, and Forever did them just fine. if anyone was thrown under the bus it was Kraang and Shredder.
@@charleswisconsin9196 I think you're being grossly disingenuous when you say the classic Turtles were "fine". But yes, Shredder and Krang were disgustingly disrespected. Honestly, all the classic TMNT characters were done dirty ...except for Master Splinter. Surprisingly, the movie did him well.
You should give Rise of the tmnt a chance. 2003 are my absolute favorite, but Rise are the second ones. You just have to be open-minded to change and humor, but you'll really get to love them if you see all the episodes (they're short and not that many).
Wow what a great retrospective I never watched the 2003 show fully through, but It's the turtles I liked best from my childhood. I guess the 2003 turtles just appealed to my demographic more than the classic turtles and especially the newer turtles that came after it. I defiantly put a few hours into the first season video game on the GameCube with some friends. Thanks for the nostalgia trip, I learned a lot from theses videos.
It's such a shame that the 2003 Turtles never got brought back for the 2012 crossovers (I think because of rights issues). It would have been interesting to see the contrast between the Donatellos, since while the other three brothers are different from their 2003 versions they're also very similar, while the two Donatellos are completely different from each other other than being the "smart one". With 2003 Don having a calm demeanour, perfectly friendly with others and hanging out with his brothers, a competent fighter despite his intelligence, and friends with April and Leatherhead; while 2012 Don is more high strung, prefers to isolate himself in his lab, is notably worse than his brothers at fighting to the point that breaking his staff is a running joke, was in a cringy love-triangle for April and was more annoyed by people over having friends. (2012 Donatello is one of the major reason I quit watching that show.)
Something I would be interested in seeing during the second crossover; the 2003 Turtles wonder where 2012 Splinter is, and learn that he was killed by the Shredder.
Yeah they added alot of old sitcom and movie tropes to the 2012 Donnie with how smart nerd characters are including pining after a beautiful girl which makes the sometimes adorable crush on April turn into an unrequited creepy dynamic.
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So I loved 2003 series and watching this helped me remember. Yes I agree the plot took an annoying turn. I was sad they did them dirty and I was upset 2012 didn’t bring them in either. I really liked rise and was upset no one gave it a chance because of the “look” and how Raph was the leader at first. I hope the movie helps round everything out
Really awesome retrospective series! So my history of this series started with watching re-runs of the 2003 show on Cartoon Network. Didn’t watch that many episodes but I loved what I was watching. Then I remember watching the commercials for Turtles Forever. I was shocked learning there was an 80s series. I was shocked there was an entire franchise outside the 2003 show. I watched Turtles Forever when it originally aired and pretty much enjoyed it. I agree they were too hard on the 87 Turtles but overall it was a great tribute. It sucks the 2003 show has been pretty much forgotten and ignored in the years since but hopefully they will return one day like you said.
When you mentioned that there was an extended version of this movie, I got genuinely angry, thinking I'd somehow been ripped off back when I bought my DVD copy shortly after it first came out... until you started talking about the scenes left out, specifically the scene with Kairi arriving at the Techo-Drome and explaining how she'd tracked The Shredder there. I mentally blanked at that because I was like "wait. That scene's in the extended cut? But... that scene's in the version *I* have." So, unknowingly, I managed to nab a copy of the extended version and saw that for my Turtles Forever experience... which explains why I couldn't relate to so many people during those months after its release, since those angriest at the movie had seen the shorter version, while I'd seen it in its entirety.
As someone who love and lives TMNT 2003, thank you for this series. It's been heartwarming watching every episode brings back the good memories from my childhood. You have done us TMNT fans a great service and on behalf of everyone, Thank you
Fans of the 2003 series should check out the IDW comic. It draws from pretty much all previous versions of TMNT, as well as doing lots of its own new things. But it takes the vast majority of its inspiration from the 2003 series. And it's very good.
Turtles Forever & the 03 series are my favorite version of TMNT. I never really watched the 87 series so when i first saw the 87 turtles i never saw the problem with them being so goofy. Also the Mirage turtles in there world where also really great.
I know this video is two years old, but I *HAVE* to stress- give Rise of the TMNT a chance. I didn't want anything to do with it either when it came out. And I heavily regret it. Saberspark said it best; We failed them. And now I wish Rise got more seasons that it deserved. Even the movie for it is something amazing. I grew up with the 2k3 series, saw all the seasons. I have to agree with you on a lot in this video. I also wanted to share that IDW is getting ready to release a new "Turtles Forever" in a way that includes ALL the OG boys; 84, 87, 2k3, 2k12 and, of course, Rise. I really hope you see this comment and choose to look into all this, because, it is well worth the time and energy spent.
26:18 this part of the video hit me huge with nostalgia. I remember seeing this clip on one of the dvd behind the scenes and i vividly remember thinking it was cool that someone that looked like me was sketching out a turtle. A kinda bizarre case of representation but so awesome at the same time
Thank you so much for this retrospective of TMNT 2003. This was one of my favorite childhood shows and it's still fantastic ( Seasons 1-4 and Turtles Forever). For years, I was scared that this show was going to be forgotten, but this series of videos will hopefully change that. Just so you know, the TMNT 2012 series is fantastic and in my opinion, even better than TMNT 2003. Season 1 is the weakest, but it keeps getting better and better. Watch Erod Blockbuster Busters review of the show for more context(a link is attached) - th-cam.com/video/O6Ods7iTxJQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TheBlockbusterBuster
Just binged the whole video series today, brought back a ton of mixed nostalgia for both the Turtles and the DCAU Retrospective days and was super well done overall.
I love how the original grey turtles are so intimidating they even scare the 2003 shredder
Well there’s a reason why there isn’t a Mirage (Grey) Shredder
@@lordpicklenips3407 I thought he came back at some point
@@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster Yeah, OG Mirage Shredder comes back after dying in the rooftop fight but the OG turtles do eventually kill him for good.
@@lordpicklenips3407 Theres lady shredder
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The 2003 turtles was pretty much the first serious show I ever watched and I got super invested in it. I still have my box of figures from the show in a drawer somewhere. Unlike other franchises from my childhood I didn't really keep up with the series because I was pretty sure none of the new versions could compare to these guys. This retrospective was a super fun time to watch and a trip down memory lane thanks for making it
when i became turtles fan, it was because i saw glimpses of 2003 show on tv and i fell in love with everything about it
after a while i finaly got to watch the show and i soon realised how awersome it is, i was hooked on every story, altough i only watched untill end of season 1, except the part where turtles flee newyork, and from season 2 saw bare minimum, at best the civil war between foot, purple dragons and mafia
edit: it is also because of this, that as a kid, i hated 1987 turtles, finding them boring, too kid friendly, imature and pointless
What do you think about the 2012 series
the only the way all the versions of the Turtles would be erased from Existence Is If Shredder killed Daredevil since he Inspired the Turtles
No it wasn’t
Nope false
This series has been nothing short of fantastic. Brought so many memories back while keeping us informed. Thanks J!
Agreed😁
It was shite
Agreed
I always wondered if the characterization of the 87 Turtles was because of Peter Laird's own feelings towards the first adaptation of his work. Seems like Emilio Lopez speculated the same thing.
This might also explain why the original Mirage Turtles are treated as the most badass Turtle team.
Probably poking fun at those sorts of feelings, too. TMNT itself started as a parody, after all.
@@CarbonRollerCaco Exactly when the 2003 Turtles enter the Mirage dimension everything's ridiculously gritty and Leonardo is giving voiceover completely in universe.
I mean, the OG Mirage TMNT were actual cold-blooded assassins who killed anyone who got in the way of their revenge.
I do also believe at this time Peter Laird had sole ownership of the turtles rights at the time until he sold them to Viacom
he shouldnt feel any type of way.. if he wanted the turtles to be the badasses that they were in the beginning he wouldn't have gave the rights to make them kid friendly
Can’t wait to see your take on the 2012 one. I still wish 2003 would’ve been done better in its last seasons.
Maybe the Demon Shredder Came from Atlinties
Same, and I was also hoping we’d get crossover between 2k3 & 12 later after the 1987 crossover.
Same
2012 is no doubt the best. When Ciro Nieli is running things you know you’re in for a treat
@@OctacleEdits 2012 was a fantastic series with some of the best versions of the characters, like Splinter, the Fugitoid, Rat King, etc. There were some very engaging stories, as well. However, I wasn't too keen on the gross and immature humour the earlier seasons were riddled with, along with some of the characters being a bit over the top at times. 2012 never really grew out of that stuff unfortunately. It also ended in kind of a weird way. I do prefer the 2003 series and found at least some enjoyment in even the meh episodes (last two seasons are a different story for the most part). I couldn't say the same for the 2012 series, but when that show was being awesome, it was freakin' awesome.
I love the ending forth wall moment of this movie, where Eastman and Laird are finishing the first issue, and are just like, "I hope it sells." This franchise had such humble beginnings, it will always be endearing to me.
I learned they picked the name Mirage Studios as there was no studio at the time, just 2 guys drawing at a table, so the studio was just in their heads
a funny thing i notice in that scene is that laird refered the comic as "the first issue" but in reality when they were making it it was intended as a one off comic and only became an on going series after it was released.
Very charming humble beginnings. Fitting for a series based on the, simple yet endearing, idea of teenage mutant ninja turtles.
I like Turtles Forever, it’s a great send off for the 2003 series.
And even though I haven’t seen the 80’s cartoon I do empathise with fans who loved that version get so poorly represented in this.
It’s strange that this special is simultaneously a fun celebration of the franchise & also disrespectful & cynical towards one of if not the most popular iteration.
I'm guessing it's because the '80 cartoon gave the masses the impression that it was THE definitive TMNT simply for being the first big piece of TMNT media and made them think the 2003 version was a faux-edgy bastardization. Just like how Sega of America misrepresented '90s Sonic The Hedgehog unbeknownst to the larger West and thus catalyzed the initial backlash to Sonic Adventure. They made people want a lie.
But looking at this more closely, it becomes clear that total faithfulness to ANY incarnation of TMNT was never the point of TF. Each cast was purposely flanderized to act like a hybrid of themselves and their fans, with the Splinters being the voices of reason. The whole point is that multiple incarnations of a franchise world can be valid in their own ways, and if so, it's kind of dumb to fight over which is "the right one". Of course, TMNT never had a certain OTHER problem Sonic had, which is mass retconning worldwide even after the original way was clarified, TRULY officially supplanting one canon with another like people wouldn't notice/care, as what happened with Adventure 2. And there's the issue of wasting storytelling opportunity in order to be commentorial-a pain I feel whenever I think of the Kirby anime. But I'm also not a fan of AU stories in general; I generally see them as copouts in lieu of actual creativity, fanservicey or not. And since TMNT actually started as a parody, perhaps the route TF took as a franchise-wide satire was the right one.
Turtles forever sucks
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From what I understand, Laird, who was involved with the 2003 version, very much disliked the 1987 cartoon, due to its silliness and how they basically ignored his and Eastman's advice.
Its shocking to learn that the 2003 turtles are the least liked. Cause they have the best writing until the later seasons. It was good with its serious story and had great unique characters.
The haters are probably people who recently got into the series or fans who grew up with the 1987 series and first live action movies, viewing them with rose tinted glasses. Not saying the 1987 series or movies are bad, but the 2003 series is so great that I'm genuinely shocked it doesn't get more respect.
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Or simply the mindless mainstream followers who nowadays dub anything and everything "edgy/tryhard" if it have a darker and mature take on a once more childfriendly and lighthearted show.
I for example LOVE the 2003 series especially for that more mature and darker tone.
Their not the least liked. I've heard a lot of people say they don't like the one that came after 2012 and say it's the worst. Either way my favorite will always be 03 even with the later seasons. 2012 was fine at the beginning but didn't keep my attention after the second season.
@@Acacius1992 Yes, that too. Having some edge and seriousness doesn't automatically make something bad. The show had enough color, humour, and lighthearted situations to balance out the more mature themes. I also love the 2003 series and would love to see something done for it next year for its anniversary.
@@RheemQ I'm the opposite for the 2012 series. I found the early stuff was okay but felt that the show got significantly better as it went on. I definitely agree on 2003 being the best, though! Even the "bad" or "filler" episodes were still enjoyable for me to watch. As much as I like it, I can't say the same about 2012. Some of those less interesting episodes were rough.
In regards to Nickelodeon doing a shit job with releasing this movie DVD, as someone who grew up on Nickelodeon, this was a very common practice for them to essentially release official bootlegs of their shows years back before they licensed them out to Shout Factory; FOP, MLAAT, and so on had this issue in the past, just a heads up
Maybe the Demon Shredder came from Atlinties
That's unfortunate.
If Nickelodeon is selling their stuff in a pirated format, it's better to pirate their shit too
Nick: Nah I don’t really feel like it. I am much focusing on SpongeBob because of money (SpongeBob laugh)
Raph: WHAT THE SHELL!! (Angry and punch)
Nick: (SpongeBob yell 😱)
My only problem with Turtles forever was that it made 80's turtles incompetent clowns. 2003 Turtles are my favorite but i didn't like how 1980's turtles were treated.
Yeah no mutual respect was given to the 80s versions
@@CopturGobot and that’s what the 2012 series did better. Yes the 2012 Turtles did better when the crossed over with the 80’s Turtles. They treated the 80’s Turtles with respect while still poking fun at the 80’s counterparts goofy aspects
The 80s turtles are incompetent clowns *when compared to the 03 turtles* - which was the entire point.
@@sora8480 no they aren’t. Swear this is the mentality all y’all 2003 TMNT fanboys have
@@sora8480 did you even watch 80's turtles? They were nothing like those clowns in the movie.
This has been such a great retrospective for the 2003 TMNT
True that! Well said and awesome! Been binging it as an old turtle fan myself!
Agreed!
No it hasn’t
@Professor Caos what makes it bad in your eyes?
@@firestriker3580 why do you think it’s a bad retrospective?
This movie had so many 4Kids voice actors voicing the different versions of the characters. It was really fun recognizing who was voicing who and which Turtle sounded like which other 4Kids character. Best part was Dan Green (Yugi) and Jason Griffith (Sonic) both voicing Leonardo.
Jason Griffith, Amy Palant, Lisa Ortiz, Dan Green and Mike Pollock needs to come back this year.
That Jason Griffith gets everywhere, from sonic, to tmnt, to chaotic and even a 2016 anime movie. I wonder how it felt to actors getting to play the turtles. It must have been a big honor for them
@@sagittariusseiya8310 One, this isn't a Sonic video, two, they're not coming back save Pollock who never left, and three, Amy Palant is the worst Tails.
@@CarbonRollerCacopoint 3: wrong. She is better than the mess of performances in Sonic Heroes and Sonic OVA.
Fantastic review and retrospective man! This series was fantastic, or as Raph would say, "peachy".
We need A crossover between the 2012 series and the 2003 series.
@@savagedarksider5934 I've actually been working on a retrospective comparing those two shows thoroughly.... both shows are really good
But, how would a crossover between the 2012 and the 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series’ play out? Who would be the main villain of the crossover?
Turtles Forever in my eyes was a GREAT way to honor the history of TMNT. I really loved this Movie.
Overall, TMNT 2003 was & still is my favorite iteration of the Ninja Turtles, and nothing else can top it. I really wanna rewatch this show sometime, and your reviews have boosted my hype for it. Thank you so much, J.
Everything else can top it
@WWE , this is true it seems like most kids will enjoy whichever turtles iteration came out when they were a child
My only problem with turtles forever was leonardo's depiction. after watching a few seasons of the 87 tmnt, raph, donnie and mikey are at least semi-accurate. leo on the other hand was just michelangelo II as if they never saw any of the scenes where leo is a level headed leader with more common sense than the others. it doesn't help that he was voiced by dan green. who used his knuckles voice for him.
@@fireztriker3798 nope
@@fireztriker3798 your have no honor and you hurt Hamato Yoshi!
I will give Forever some credit that they did a great job animating the 87 series! As a kid from the 80s, they did great! Sadly...they way they were treated was awful...
Agreed
That's one thing they had over the 2012 series because I did not like how the 87 series was animated in the 2012 series. It look like a generic flash cartoon.
@@retrogamer6403 too true!
@@retrogamer6403 well they did change that in the next crossover they did with the 87 turtles.
@@retrogamer6403 They were also represented as inept in battle and I hated that. 2003 made them goofy but at least they can fight.
These 8 videos are the greatest pieces of content on the 2003 series in the history of the internet. Best stuff since DrDrinkX10s old 1987 v 2003 series circa 2010. Thanks, brother
Thanks man! This comment really put a smile on my face, since I've seen your videos too. I think it was your Shredder video that made me go back and watch the show again in 2020, really reignited the passion I have for it. I also loved Classic TMNT vs New TMNT, I was on the edge of my seat when I first saw that back in 2012.
Dang, high praise coming from you
Been watching every episode of the retrospective and it’s been a blast. The 2003 turtles were my first experience with the franchise and it brings me back to a more simpler time. I remember watching a few episodes with my mom and she would tell me stories about how she use to watch the 80s turtles with my brother. It’s crazy to think the brand had so much power to connect different generations of fans. I never caught turtles forever until a few years later and I think it was also shown in theaters.
Nope 87 turtles were awesome
Nope. Turtles forever sucks
@Professor Caos Yes we all do
@@giornojoestar4411 Not everyone does.
Put it this way - it was necessary, even if it was tremendously watered down compared to the comics, simply because it was made accessible to a very young audience and once it hit the mainstream, Turtle Mania exploded.
I really do think if 1987 Turtles didn't happen, the franchise would have fizzled out a long time ago, because it would have stayed an underground cult comic that very few would have known about.
It may be annoying to true fans, but it was the first cartoon that got me into the franchise and I will always have a soft spot for it.
@@Longlostpuss Shhshshshshshshshhshshshshhhhhshhhhhhhhh shhhhh. Shh.
(I only said that to troll “Professor” Caos because throughout all the other comments on this video, he bashes the 2003 series and mocks its fans, and was being a giant bootie sandwich about people’s tastes, probably just some edgy boomer who can’t have other people enjoy stuff that isn’t what he grew up with.
I myself also grew up with the 03 turtles, so it'll always hold a special place for me. I've checked out the other cartoons like the 2012 series and rise. I still need to finish the 87 series. Even looking forward to the movie that rise is getting. I remember playing Mutant Melee and Smash up. Each iteration of TMNT have their strengths and weaknesses and its good to have the option of what you want to see more of with the turtles.
I like your logo look cool
Same. What do you think about the 2012 series and rise?
what are the strengths of Next Mutation?
@@charleswisconsin9196 haven't seen that one so can't say
@@charleswisconsin9196 There are none lol.
I’d definitely love a 2nd turtles forever with all of the current incarnations we have, I’d be extremely pleased to see 03 Donatello and 12 Donatello interacting, another dynamic I’d need is rise Leo and interactions with his other counterparts, since he’s considered the odd one out for how distinct his personality is
Man now how da fuck would that work? We'd need cg 2003, and 87, then maybe continue in rise animation?
@@dice9270 well for the 2003 games, there was a few cg cut scenes, though poor in quality. I’d definitely like to see that revisited but modernized. We already have cg 87 as shown in “trans dimensional turtles.” Not sure about rise tbh.
87, 90s, 03, 07, 12, 16, Rise, and 22.. movie and cartoon versions all together and interacting with all their versions villans, and all meeting the b/w comics Turtles would be a Rad crossover, even if it was just the cartoons (80s to 23 Turtles, plus the OG comics Turtles) without the movies versions being in it. It'd be like a Tmnt Battle Royal! That would be sweet!
@@k-dogg9086yesss let's do it!!!! I'd love too see that honestly with all the Turtles Combined
@@dice9270it would be tough
I really enjoyed the 2003 series, because unlike a lot of other cartoons, it had a good story and tackled some serious issues. I've honestly liked it so much, I couldn't believe that in other series Splinter was a human. It just felt... off. Them just being mutated from the ooze, which had different effects on different creatures was cool. I loved the idea of an alien shredder, but then realizing that there was this demonic one too, which was much more powerful. I'm gonna miss this show, and I kinda hope it returns, but with good creative freedom to BE a good story. Tbh, this show reminds me of Teen Titans, which then turned into Teen Titans Go. Of which, I cannot stand because of how childish it is from something that was so serious.
Curious if you ever seen Young Justice or the DCAU Teen Titans. They seem to take the serious aspect of the 2000s Teen Titans while Go took pure comedy. I heavily recommend watching those two especially with Young Justice still making new episodes
Maybe the Demon Shredder was From atlinties
A lot of shows from the 2000's did that.
Splinter as a Human IS a form of Censorship.
@@conradojavier7547 what?
"If the 2003 Turtles came back in some new thing and they were seen as try-hard edgelords, I would not be happy"
Kinda how I felt about the 2003 Titans in _Teen Titans vs Teen Titans Go!_
Ugh, I still won't forgive them for breaking their TT Season 6 revival promises.
Still hoping for a TMNT 2003 Complete series till this day. It had these great moments and the love and care that's unlike any cartoons I have watched as a kid. Exaggerating I know, but I just can't get it outta my head, even over 15 years later.
Maybe the Demon Shredder came from Atlinties
They haven't made one yet
At least we can still watch it online.
But I do agree with you, caused I'd buy a Complete Blu-Ray of the 2003 Series myself if it was available.
A few years ago I got tired of waiting and made my own. Seasons 1, 2, 5, and 6 used the official DVDs, but everything else was put onto dual-layered DVD-Rs, which holds about 13 episodes per disc.
@@buchiklop110 I recorded the episodes and put Them on my USBs.
One thing I would like to brush up on, is in the director's cut of the deleted scenes, for Turtles' Forever. In the scene where Shredder grabs the original '84 Turtles, even though he is killing off the Turtles' Universe, it is affecting him too. At one point, he starts to feel the affects, of fading out of existence, which causes him to loosen his grip, and eventually get what was coming to him, in the end! Even though Karai tried to talk him out of it, it was the affects that he was feeling, that caused him to stop doing when he was doing, not Karai! If he would have killed the Turtles' Universe, he would have killed himself as well! Which poses another question: How would Shredder, been able to pull killing off the Turtles' Universe, without killing himself, & the other incarnations of him? I guess he didn't realize, that his tie in with the Turtles', was always going to be something he had to worry about, as long as he, had the feud with Splinter. So technically, the only person that Shredder can blame, is himself! Think about that!
I couldn’t have said it better myself. The 03 show saved the brand from being trapped in the past. And for that, all the changes that were made, it seems to have been slept on quite a bit. Totally unique style of music and art has been a big inspiration for me personally. The love I have for it will never die, and I hope others really give it a chance.
@Professor Caos …. No?
@Professor Caos Think for yourself you moron
@Professor Caos "If you like 2003 TMNT, you hate 87 TMNT" Only a sith deals in absolutes
It didn’t save the brand from being "trapped" in the past. Nope all false
Oh wow.. we Turtles fans are so Sectarian and divided, arguing which was the best and official when it really isn't true. 87 03 & 12, They ALL had and have their pros and cons, strengths and weaknesses.. except for Rise and Mayham if what they'd released so far is true. Then I think we can come together and agree that these last two suck and should be redone right. At least there aren't any horrid changes with our Beloved Tmnt from 1987 2003 & 2012 iterations as they're trying to get away with now.
I adored this entire retrospective series. You actually got me decently back into the TMNT franchise, which I hadn’t really even thought much about since I was around 12 years old. I even started my own full rewatch of the 2003 series thanks to your retrospective not too long ago. Can’t wait to see what’s next for both your channel and the Turtles.’
When the 2012 TMNT series did its Cross over with the 1987 series, I PRAYED that we would get a crossover with 2003 series. Since the differences between the Utrom Shredder and the 2012 Shredder were so minimal, I was hoping they would bring back the Demon Shredder to really amp up the stakes to have the need for two teams of Turtles, since the amulets required for the dragon transformation were destroyed.
Also, considering the 2003 turtles would at this point be adults and not teenagers, they could give the younger 2012 group some nice tidbits. Have 03 Leo teach about leadership, 03 Donny how to dream big and think on your feet, 03 Raph gives some tips on how to chanel one's anger, and both Mikeys learning tips and tricks from each other.
Fantastic series, as a huge fan of the 2003 Turtles it's been a treat.
As someone who's never given TMNT more than a passing glance my whole life, these videos were very entertaining and informative. I feel like I've gained an appreciation for a franchise I've never much interacted with
Oh duuuude you have to watch the og, the one, the only the 80s cartoon, gloriusly over the top intro and all.
@WWE , nah I used to watch inspector gadget when I was like 7. I’m 19 now these shows are still fire today.
@WWE , this is true cause i grew up on 2003 series and really liked the 2012 series as well but i can barley watch the 80s series i can enjoy the characters in crossovers like this movie but that's about it i get too bored watching an episode of the 80s show
Its worth checking out if you get the chance. Personally I’d say every main TMNT series is great but it depends on you. Shredders revenge is a fun recent beat em up though and there’s a new movie (animated YES) coming to theaters. Rise of the TMNT is the most recent and just ended. Its great and pretty low barrier of entry (more comical on the surface with shorter episodes though it gets more serious as it continues with great action scenes).
Funny when you talk about voices, that you don't mention that 1987 Raphael's voice is now Donatello in the 2012 version (both acted by Rob Paulsen).
That was actually quite an easter egg for old school fans.
2012 tmnt was surprisingly great. i absolutly loved it. from the music to the stylized running on the rooftops. it was great. then they brought in the mutanimals! great stuff
I remember of enjoying "TMNT: Turtles Forever" from my childhood, and that I'm glad you enjoy this animated film very much. I still hope you can check out Batman Vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film as one of best crossover of all time.
Maybe the Demon Shredder came from Atlinties
It warms my heart that there still so many fans who acknowledge this show. The 2003 series was my first exposure to the franchise, been a fan ever since. It may not be the most iconic or most talked about version of the TMNT but, at has to be the most important one. It revitalized the franchise after nearly a decade and helped the brand stay relevant for years after. TMNT maybe be as big as it is because of the 2003 series and that's something to be happy about. Awesome retrospective J, I didn't expect anyone to put so much effort into researching the Turtles franchise as much as you! Great job and keep content like this coming!
One of my best friends worked on the tail end of this series as an intern and was promoted during the making of this movie.
It launched his career in animation (which he's still doing today) and he says this is still the coolest thing he's ever done, working on a Ninja Turtles show.
I think there would always be some division among fans concerning the 2003 and 1987 versions, but there probably would've been less if they had been airing 1987 TMNT reruns on like, ANY of the networks. That includes before 4Kids even made the 2003 one. If the artists needed fans for references, it kinda implies either the 1987 series was either not well preserved or the owners were being stingy in general. We could've easily had the 1987 on on Cartoon Network during the late 90s/early 2000s. Know what they were PLAYING back then when it wasn't like Dexter's Lab or the like? 900 episodes of Tom and Jerry replays from like 1955. And whatever barbara stuff is now on Boomerang. Kids would've loved an action show during that time.
And it's not entirely like Cartoon network was allergic to 80s shows during that time. I recall Toonami playing He Man and Thundercats on occassion. It was weird in contrast to the animes they were showing, but they weren't afraid to show them. Idk, maybe the 1987 owners just thought "This isn't making toy money anymore, why bother?" like a bunch of other 80s shows. Hell to this day I've seen more of Transformers Armada and Energon than I ever did the original show. And the shows I just named don't even show up anymore anywhere.
Something kinda like that happened in Canada, the original series got played on Teletoon retro from 2012 till the network ended in 2015. Kinda wish there where more channels that did only reruns of older cartoons like it, the network had other kinds of shows like the g1 Transformers, GI Joe, lonny toons, and even Power Rangers.
The 87 turtles WAS well received.
87 turtles don't do good for Modern TV ratings. They tried years ago. Its a bit too niche. Like Adam West Batman
@@firestriker3580 Only by 1980s standards. It was badly received during the DVD era
@@firestriker3580 They said preserved, not received
This movie is a huge nostalgia trip for me despite it's faults. Really enjoyed this entire retrospective, and thanks for the hard work!
Fun fact. The 2000 series was under one of the creator power. Like Lairds made every choice and he expressed that he didn't like the 1980's cartoons. So the 80's turtles treatment can be seen as Lairds hating them.
Edited; And this was before 10:23. 😅
I didn't mind Rise, but growing up with the 2003, and 2012 versions left me wanting for more story, and less gags. As the show felt like the viewer could ignore just about any episode and still know what was going on, as it was there for laughs and memes and not a serious plot. Maybe it got better, and doubled down on the plot but I didn't stick with it that long.
Then you seriously missed out as around season 2 afterward it found a clear balance with plot, and comedy.
@@proto245 glad it did get better. The audience is usually smarter than shows pander to and while a show aimed for jokes can work it certainly wouldn't be for everyone especially parents watching it with their kids. Myself I probably won't have time to go back and revisit it, I'm barely finding time for shows now.
i don’t know what people mean when they Rise is good, i literally can’t watch it. I just want a new tmnt series or at least a tmnt cinematic universe
@@ttt9830 I mean I wished 4Kids had TMNT 2003 to make more episodes
@@VATROU If you don't find the series good, than at least watch the Rise of The TMNT Movie, it works as a standalone piece enough you don't need the show to enjoy the film, BTW, it features the best Krang ever, I find them to be on par with Ch'rell.
The ‘87 turtles are just weird in this special, I kinda wish they went with a Mirage/2003 crossover instead.
this has been an amazing series of reviews, TMNT 2003 is my favorite TMNT series, and its great to see that others still love it like i do.
thank you for all this awesome vids. please keep up the great work
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Another masterful review. Youre one of the best around J, thanks again for all the effort and passion poured in. Keep it up dude
This is it? This is the end? Thanks J, it’s been a shell of a time!
Turtles Forever really messed up the 80s cartoon series TMNT. That one thing ruined it for me.
Man what a Retrospective. I had a fun time watching and this series brought back a lot of memories of the 03 Turtles for me. I hope it gets released on bluray soon. Seeing a review of the classic series, movies and 2012 series would be nice.
"hope it turns out great."
(sees "SETH ROGAN" attached)
Sometimes hope can bring the greatest despairs.
Seth Rogan ended up making TMNT better
Turtles forever is such a big part of my childhood I still love the story but I will admit the 80’s turtles should’ve been treated better. Nevertheless this retrospective was a surprise and I definitely want to see you talk about tmnt more in the future
I disagree the 80s turtles was exactly how I rembered them from watching reruns as kids and the 80s show not aged well at all, it'd hard to watch
Watching this live was such a trip man, so many memories...
Thanks for doing this series J, as a 2000s kid myself, I've always been looking for people talking about this show on youtube, only to find very little. You're the best my man!
I grew up on the 80's Turtles. But for me the 2003 Turtles were better. They had a good an solid story for the first 5 seasons. But yeah. Even the 2012 series was good.
But Rise. It was too different I think.
Let’s go! What an amazing retrospective series ! Much appreciated for your hard work!
Maybe demon Shredder was From Atlinties
Tbf, Waltz the writer of the IDW comics has said his favourite version of the turtles are the 2003 series
Will you do retrospectives for the 2012 series and Rise of the TMNT?
Funny how Teen Titans vs TTG basically was the same movie as this 🤣
This was a great series! I'm glad I found your channel!
is turtles forever good? YES. it's not complicated it actually horribly underrated
I AGREE!!!😭😭😭
My biggest request for you is DEFINITELY Teen Titans.
I've been looking forward to this video but I have to admit I'm not a really big fan of Turtles forever. While it's not necessarily a bad TV special it essentially craps all over the old Turtles and just pretends that they don't have any real skills and need to be trained by the 03 Turtles despite the 87 turtles being legitimate badasses as early as the first episode of the 87 series. They could have honored both shows without belittling the older show.
Not with the original creator writing it, unfortunately.
@@Lobsterwithinternet yeah he definitely has a hate boner for the 87 show. That's also why we have Toca and Rahzar as the villains in the second movie because they refused to allow any of the TV show villains into the live action films at the time.
@@bigkmoviesandgames That sucks.
@@Lobsterwithinternet yeah it does but unfortunately some creators are just a bit selfish when it comes to other iterations of their work
The 87 turtles didn't really become serious badasses until the 6th season, before then, they were only marginally more competent than in this movie.
I have a disclaimer to make. I grew up on and loved the 87 series. However when I started watching the 03 series I loved it. I felt it was THE quintessential series. It was the series I "remembered" not the one I grew up on. It was fantastic and well written/acted.
When I heard about the 2012 series I wanted NOTHING to do with it at first. Afterall, how could NICK produce something even remotely as good as the 2003 series. I sat through a few episodes when they aired and was surprised at the heart, action, humor and...to an extent...nostalgia. I felt. The 87 series was light hearted, funny, and full of camp, the 03 series was darker, more serious, more action packed. The 2012 series found the same balance Nick found with Avatar the Last Airbender. It was light hearted and funny when it could be...but the show writers were ALLOWED to let the show take it self seriously, and did so quite a bit. They weren't afraid to go to some pretty dark places (for nick) and they weren't afraid to deal with the fallout from those events.
I wouldn't say the 2012 series REPLACES 03 as the best series. but it might be the most...BALANCED...version. It legitimately felt like a near perfect hybridization of the 87 and 03 series' and I hope you find the time to review it. But for now, I have found and come to enjoy your channel thanks to these reviews. You have earned a new subscriber and I wish you and your channel nothing but the best for the future.
I would love to see a "first time viewing" type of show about the 2012 series.
Honestly, I wish Nick, after acquiring the franchise, had been convinced to get together the original voice cast to dub over the 80's group, maybe changing a line here and there. Simply having the original cast there would have made the movie work so much better.
I always view Turtles Forever is noncanon due to the whole multiverse thing, and I enjoy it a lot more I think. Overall though, the thing that holds the movie back is the anticlimactic ending to the Shredder. Like why is it that for the grand finale the death of the Shredder isn't caused by all of the turtles working together, but instead Bebop and Rocksteady being idiots? Between this and the crossovers of the 2012 series, I really couldn't say which one is better tho, as they each have issues that hold em back.
I can understand Laird’s sentiments regarding the original series, but to me the worst thing you can do to a preexisting version of a property is to be derisive and demeaning to it. DmC did this with the “Not in a million years” comment, and this is the same thing. The 2003 series exists because the 80s series existed. And you can try and say “well, the only reason the 80’s series exists is because Laird’s comic exists!”
Yes. And it was a very popular indie comic, that didn’t have the same exposure as the cartoon. So please, don’t disrespect the things that came, before.
This was a great feel of nostalgia for me as well, I loved your retrospectives on the 2003 series!
Question will you be doing a retrospective on the 2012 series or Rise of the tmnt?
As someone who got to experience both the 87 and the 2003 series as a kid…I would've loved to see a crossover that payed equal respect to both series.
I think they could've done so much more with the dynamic between the two teams. The two donatellos were handled decently but the other's didn’t interact that much.
In my mind:
87 and 03 leo would jump between complimenting each other to arguing over tactics
87 and 03 Mikey would be chillin
I could see 87 Raph (being a bit of a dick but way less moody) going out of his way to annoy 03 Raph and vice versa…but the two would ultimately bond over making fun of the other turtles
Exactly the 80s turtle was treated so poorly n this movie(to the point they cry and run away from a fight which they never did n their series) thankfully Trans dimensional turtles got this right and was everything turtles forever should have been in terms of treating and respecting both teams(and it wasn't even a 1 hour special).
I enjoyed it. But I can absolutely see why many fans of the 80’s Turtles series would have issue with it.
I feel like the 2012 show did a better job with their crossover while treating the 80’s turtles with respect.
Nothing beats the first 4 seasons of 2003. It was and is simply the best.
This retrospective on the 2003 TMNT series was great. You covered the development and history for it really well. Can't wait for the next videos
Yall ever think about how we are further removed from the 2003 TMNT series than the 2003 series was from the 1987 series?
So glad I found your series! This show has always been one of my most nostalgic yet underseen shows. These are my Turtles too, and I love them dearly! Thank you for putting so much effort and care into this. Fantastic!
A lot of my childhood and early teenage years were with these turtles. Plus, I love me some ratchet and Clank! Both are some of my favorite series representing more innocent time of life. But it’s going to take the nostalgia goggles off and see things for what they really are and still appreciate them
I love how 2003 Shredder gets defeated in this movie.
1:30 "I mean, this is how I came to learn of there being a TMNT cartoon from the eighties"
That hurt me right in my age.
The 2012 show is a slow starter, but it's honestly pretty great in the long run, it's a good half-way between the 80s turtles and the 03 turtles in the early seasons, but the later seasons can honestly get darker than even the 03 series at its own darkest moments.
I highly recommend you watch the show, it honestly surprised me how good it was when I finally watched it.
I respect that but honestly I can't stand more than 5 minutes of the 2012 version. The tone and characters are way too goofy. It feels like every turtle is a version of Michelangelo... when Michelangelo was 5.
@@LightningStrike1212 in the early show definitely, but like I said, it gets much better
@@JAYDOG1337A Yes, and because of your comment I chose a random episode (a two parter in fact) in the third season and tried to watch it. The tone was still goofy so I went back to make my comment. You can maybe argue that when the plot picks up the tone gets serious but I'm not comfortable having such a tone for filler episodes either.
the 2012 series is what introduced me to the turtles and to this day is still my favorite incarnation.
@@LightningStrike1212 you have not watched rise then and you saying 1987 was not goofy lol?
Prime Raphael: DO YOU FEAR US....SHREDDER!
Thank you for the amazing series!
Its shocking to learn that the 2003 turtles are the least liked. Cause they have the best writing until the later seasons. It was good with its serious story and had great unique characters.
I grew up with 2003 series and barely saw the 90s version as well, and even then I could tell they were mostly satirising their tone and 90s aesthetics rather than faithfully recreating them. But I still had a lot of fun watching it, and could tell there was so much homage to past series even if I couldn't spot them out. Definitely a good way to end the uneven later parts of the series.
The thing is, Peter Laird's memories *of his own comic* apparently need a refresh.
The fact is, the original Mirage comics were actually just as silly and goofy as the 1987 show most of the time. It's just that the FIRST ISSUE was grim and serious and for a long time that was the easiest issue to find (because it was hosted on the official website) and this gave people a skewed perception of the comic.
This idea Laird and a lot of people have that the 1987 cartoon took TMNT and made it silly just does not mesh with reality if you go and read the original Mirage run at all. In reality it was goofy with the occasional serious bit up until the first volume ended with the "City at War" arc... a storyline that started in 1992.
Actual storylines that happened in the comic:
-Casey Jones goes on a crusade to stop people from destroying a plastic restaurant mascot he admired as a kid.
-The turtles get involved in a conflict between old superheroes (living in a literal superhero retirement home) and an old enemy who turns out to actually be holding a candle for the female heroine.
-a THREE PART storyline involving a time-travelling little girl, first asking the turtles to prevent her from being born a mutant, then herself being tricked into making the human race peaceful so they're easy to conquer.
Yeah Laird, the 1987 show is the whole reason people think TMNT is goofy. Sure.
They then did it again with the 2012 3D one. Like the same concept and everything. However my favorite part is a toss up between when the '03 turtles meet up with '87 Splinter for a cup of tea and a breath of sanity, or the scene with both Dons trying to fix the thing. '03 Don spouting tech jargon while '87 is mumbling a sing-song in panic.
12:59 looking back on it, this is kinda the ninja turt'es version of a canon event.
Which means…Miguel should know about the Ninja Turtles existence as well as April and Casey
Thanks for a solid retrospective. I started rewatching the series in early 2019 when the pandemic first started but I fell off mid season 4 due to unforseen circumstances. I saw Turtles Forever at a local DVD shop and picked it up to only get right back into the series maybe a month before you did your season 4 video. Needless to say it was nice hearing your thoughts on every season while I was also watching them just to get different perspectives. Solid review man can't wait to see what else you produce
i mean i think the reason why we are seeing a "revival" of the original 1987 series is because most of the fans of that show are now grown adults in their mid to late 30s with a lot of money and nostalgia for that show, while for the 2003 show most of its fanbase are now adults yes but most are in their early to mid 20s and still dont have that much spending power, by the 2030s or mid 2020s i could see a huge revival of this show as the fans of this era of the turtles get more jobs and become a bigger part of the economy specially now that watching cartoons isnt something just "for kids" thank to the internet blowing that way of thinking out of the water
I gotta say, your TMNT reviews have helped improve my feelings towards 2000s TMNT.
Back in the 2000s, I was an instant fan of the new show and loved it; but after watching 'Turtles Forever' throw the classic Turtles under the bus, a hatred for 2000s TMNT was born within the depth of my soul.
That was also around the time I basically gave up on the franchise, as Nickelodeon wasn't doing anything great with the TMNT property, and the M.Bay movies are a pile of dogshit.
That said, I will always treasure the classic TMNT and the OG Mirage TMNT; and now, 2000s TMNT as well.
...P.S; To Hell with Turtles Forever.
The 2012 cartoon was completely dogpiling on the reboots which is really sad
get out of your head for a second. im an 87 turtles guy, and Forever did them just fine. if anyone was thrown under the bus it was Kraang and Shredder.
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I think you're being grossly disingenuous when you say the classic Turtles were "fine". But yes, Shredder and Krang were disgustingly disrespected.
Honestly, all the classic TMNT characters were done dirty ...except for Master Splinter. Surprisingly, the movie did him well.
@@charleswisconsin9196 I think Turtle Forever was best movie it made. But I wished they kept original animation Season 1-5 I guess budget issues
You should give Rise of the tmnt a chance. 2003 are my absolute favorite, but Rise are the second ones. You just have to be open-minded to change and humor, but you'll really get to love them if you see all the episodes (they're short and not that many).
Wow what a great retrospective I never watched the 2003 show fully through, but It's the turtles I liked best from my childhood. I guess the 2003 turtles just appealed to my demographic more than the classic turtles and especially the newer turtles that came after it. I defiantly put a few hours into the first season video game on the GameCube with some friends. Thanks for the nostalgia trip, I learned a lot from theses videos.
Fast Forward, BTTS, and Turtles Forever are all in a different universe for me. It's just too different in tone to be the same story IMO.
It's such a shame that the 2003 Turtles never got brought back for the 2012 crossovers (I think because of rights issues).
It would have been interesting to see the contrast between the Donatellos, since while the other three brothers are different from their 2003 versions they're also very similar, while the two Donatellos are completely different from each other other than being the "smart one". With 2003 Don having a calm demeanour, perfectly friendly with others and hanging out with his brothers, a competent fighter despite his intelligence, and friends with April and Leatherhead; while 2012 Don is more high strung, prefers to isolate himself in his lab, is notably worse than his brothers at fighting to the point that breaking his staff is a running joke, was in a cringy love-triangle for April and was more annoyed by people over having friends. (2012 Donatello is one of the major reason I quit watching that show.)
Something I would be interested in seeing during the second crossover; the 2003 Turtles wonder where 2012 Splinter is, and learn that he was killed by the Shredder.
Yeah they added alot of old sitcom and movie tropes to the 2012 Donnie with how smart nerd characters are including pining after a beautiful girl which makes the sometimes adorable crush on April turn into an unrequited creepy dynamic.
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Couldn’t agree more. I would say 2003 Donnie is arguably the best (love all 2003 turtles tho) while 2012 Donnie is arguably the worst.
Nickelodeon screws over their own shows with home media releases
So I loved 2003 series and watching this helped me remember. Yes I agree the plot took an annoying turn. I was sad they did them dirty and I was upset 2012 didn’t bring them in either. I really liked rise and was upset no one gave it a chance because of the “look” and how Raph was the leader at first. I hope the movie helps round everything out
Really awesome retrospective series! So my history of this series started with watching re-runs of the 2003 show on Cartoon Network. Didn’t watch that many episodes but I loved what I was watching. Then I remember watching the commercials for Turtles Forever. I was shocked learning there was an 80s series. I was shocked there was an entire franchise outside the 2003 show. I watched Turtles Forever when it originally aired and pretty much enjoyed it. I agree they were too hard on the 87 Turtles but overall it was a great tribute. It sucks the 2003 show has been pretty much forgotten and ignored in the years since but hopefully they will return one day like you said.
I'm a big fan of the 2003 TMNT series, so this retrospective has been awesome to watch. I'll look forward to when you do more Turtles stuff.
I wish they would have gone back to the Season 1 art style for the 2003 turtles.
When you mentioned that there was an extended version of this movie, I got genuinely angry, thinking I'd somehow been ripped off back when I bought my DVD copy shortly after it first came out... until you started talking about the scenes left out, specifically the scene with Kairi arriving at the Techo-Drome and explaining how she'd tracked The Shredder there.
I mentally blanked at that because I was like "wait. That scene's in the extended cut? But... that scene's in the version *I* have."
So, unknowingly, I managed to nab a copy of the extended version and saw that for my Turtles Forever experience... which explains why I couldn't relate to so many people during those months after its release, since those angriest at the movie had seen the shorter version, while I'd seen it in its entirety.
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As someone who love and lives TMNT 2003, thank you for this series. It's been heartwarming watching every episode brings back the good memories from my childhood. You have done us TMNT fans a great service and on behalf of everyone, Thank you
Fans of the 2003 series should check out the IDW comic. It draws from pretty much all previous versions of TMNT, as well as doing lots of its own new things. But it takes the vast majority of its inspiration from the 2003 series. And it's very good.
Turtles Forever & the 03 series are my favorite version of TMNT.
I never really watched the 87 series so when i first saw the 87 turtles i never saw the problem with them being so goofy.
Also the Mirage turtles in there world where also really great.
I know this video is two years old, but I *HAVE* to stress- give Rise of the TMNT a chance. I didn't want anything to do with it either when it came out. And I heavily regret it. Saberspark said it best; We failed them. And now I wish Rise got more seasons that it deserved. Even the movie for it is something amazing.
I grew up with the 2k3 series, saw all the seasons. I have to agree with you on a lot in this video. I also wanted to share that IDW is getting ready to release a new "Turtles Forever" in a way that includes ALL the OG boys; 84, 87, 2k3, 2k12 and, of course, Rise.
I really hope you see this comment and choose to look into all this, because, it is well worth the time and energy spent.
26:18 this part of the video hit me huge with nostalgia. I remember seeing this clip on one of the dvd behind the scenes and i vividly remember thinking it was cool that someone that looked like me was sketching out a turtle. A kinda bizarre case of representation but so awesome at the same time
Thank you so much for this retrospective of TMNT 2003. This was one of my favorite childhood shows and it's still fantastic ( Seasons 1-4 and Turtles Forever). For years, I was scared that this show was going to be forgotten, but this series of videos will hopefully change that.
Just so you know, the TMNT 2012 series is fantastic and in my opinion, even better than TMNT 2003. Season 1 is the weakest, but it keeps getting better and better.
Watch Erod Blockbuster Busters review of the show for more context(a link is attached) -
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Just binged the whole video series today, brought back a ton of mixed nostalgia for both the Turtles and the DCAU Retrospective days and was super well done overall.
Same
Hun questioning Ralph on his 4th wall breaking was still the best joke in the film.