Thanks for the honest review Drew. I always respect your opinions. When it comes to my go to putters, I want to be able to Flick them as well as putting. The deeper depth, for putting, does not do well with my big hands. I am not biased, I've been a Gyronaut since 2014. My favorite Putter for approach is the Aerobie Arrow. I likely have more putters in my used bin than any other mold. And why I usually carry 4-5 different Proxies.
That is super helpful that you explained the difference in putter shapes and what that means. It was really cool to see the difference right away as you demonstrated.
Thank you , thank you, thank you. Somebody finally showed and described a way to step putt that works for me. I watched this last night and today was banging chains at 35-40 feet with ease.
I saw some speculation, when people were talking about Ohn Scoggins putting, that a wobbly putt has its advantages. Their argument being that it averages out the winds influence on the discs flight. I've tinkered about with this a bit and do sometimes purpously go for a wobble when my usual putt is 'off' (for me if I shift the thumb part of my palm further onto the flight plate I get a wobble) Not something I've dived into in any great depth though It's in my mind to have a few putting sessions trying it out when it warms up to see if it is a good/terrible thing for my putting game.
I believe Ulibarri/Jerm has mentioned that Paul McBeth likes to add / remove wobble based on the putt he's facing. So I can see some merit whilst understanding that for some people it's too much micro management.
On the subject of putter wobble, we can say with some authority that it has zero bearing on accuracy. Because Yeti's putt wobbles like crazy, and he won 5x Putting World Championships.
I have watched probably 200 videos on putting and this is the first time ive read or heard if you got the wobbles maybe try a thinner putter. This has helped alot thank you. This should be a PSA honestly never heard it before.
Really love seeing the recent content! Great to see comparison videos, especially with the putters stacked and getting to see that profile. I seriously wish the PDGA approved discs page required profile views along with the measurements, numbers are so close between the Judge, Penrose and Pixel, but i'm sure they all still feel plenty different in hand. I've been putting Judges since they came out (except for a few months with the Hydrogen when it released) and recently tried the dagger but didn't feel quite right. Looks like I need to get my hands on a Penrose to try it out!
I want to try a Pixel but I might not like it. I like suuuper thin profiles for putters. I actually like the Watt. Feels best in my hands. I want MVP to do a run of Soft Electron Watts.
@@genecrosby3776 Point and shoot is used for all the discs that fly straight. MD1, Mako3/Mako, Buzzz SS etc. are point and shoot discs. Most putters are fairly straight flying. Point and shoot putters are Pure, Swan, Atom, Roach, Pa4/Pa5 and many others. This is a commonly used term for straight fliers. That tagline has been used for dozens of discs. But you are correct, probably fits Pixel as well.
As a penrose putter, I hate the slightly deeper form factor, but then again I also use a Luna as my driving/throw putter. Very cool to see your take on this new Simon Line!
The way you described putting with the Penrose makes me understand why you kept pulling your putts right during the blind challenge haha. Good tip on getting a thinner putter if you have a wobble. I'll need to check my technique first though
Thanks for the review! I’m torn because I love a glidey point and shoot putter but don’t love a deep dish. If nothing else seems like a good one for that borderline putt/throw distance if you’re trying to give it a chance.
Absolutely loved seeing your content with Simon. Don't apologize for your camera work! You have been getting better and better. Hardest working salesman in disc golf! Can't wait to see you back in the mix in the 2024 season.
My problem when I practice putting is I have a stack of 16 putters but every one of them are different. I need to commit to which putter I want to use and get 16 of them. So I might go Luna, Dart, Marvel, Berg, Fierce ect... and have to change up how I throw each one. I guess its good to learn how each flies but I definitely need to commit to one.
Check factory stores for clearance sales. I got 10 judges for 4.89 a piece because DD was unloading a bunch of 10 year anniversary 2022 stamp ones they were sitting on a bunch of coming in to this summer. But yea committing to a putter and not changing it just for the hell of it or because you think it'll help is actually huge. There is so little difference between them, there is no miracle putter that'll fix whatever you might think your issue is. Just practice and consistency.
When you choose put all putters on bed and close your eyes take everyone into hand and what feels best it will be right one. I changed my putting putter that way and got instantly better results without practicing. Of course you need to adjust your putting in long term because different flight but if it feels good into hand it will perform better.
A part of me wonders if a beat in pixel will replace the spin or proxy is simon’s bag. Drew, what do you think about one of these replacing your old beat up kc aviar for approaches? Seems like it would be similar
Anyone looking for shallower putter, I recently switched to Discmania Logic from Discraft Challengers after learning about finger pop. I felt like the 1.6cm deep Challengers were a bit too deep for me, keeping me from getting a good pop and leaving the disc on a steep hyzer. The 1.3cm deep Logic allows me to get more pop and flatter hyzer angle, making it more point-and-shoot.
Wonder how the Pixel compares to the Nomad for putting? I've been loving putting with the Nomads since they were released. Sounds like the Pixel might be too deep for my style, but gonna have to check it out when they are released.
Only thing I would have to disagree with is hand size in terms of putters. I think it is way more about comfort. There are guys with freakishly small hands putting with daggers. Great video though
I have been waiting ever so patiently for the pixel. I did just pick up a tsa pneuma in their nerve plastic. I love the nerve plastic for grip and those putters are also a very straight putter
Agree or disagree, a putters flight is irrelevant inside 30'? In my opinion, i think most can putt with any putter inside 30' as long as it fits their hand.
It's cool but it doesn't do anything a ton of other putters can't do. Most likely this will just make people drop their tried and true throwers and become more inconsistent as they learn and beat in another disc for no reason. Really not much reason to keep making new putter molds these days, they're completely solved, but it'll sell anyways cause Simons name is on it.
I think the Pixel will be noticeably deeper and more rounded than the Proxy. Hard to tell on video, but if it is indeed a P1X/P2 hybrid, it will feel pretty different than a Proxy.
I think when he stacked them, the shoulder/dome of the Pixel went up inside the Penrose. If you laid them both flat on a table, you'd prolly see a difference.
Lot of player use pre-released discs. That is perfectly fine and by the rules. There used to be a rule that 500 disc must have been made more or less available or something like that, but current rule book has nothing about that. Just needs to be approved by PDGA and follow the technical standards.
no one said that it was not pdga legal but it is cool that no one has them but him lol even if they wanted too they couldnt and thats what i mean by a flex. u took rules from that? @@kimmomatikainen1843
Love that Simon was able to talk about the Discmania putters that inspired this design, and not pretend that this was a wholly new MVP design.
Signing Lizotte was a brilliant move by MVP! He can sell some discs!
He’s a wizard
@@DrewGibsonCrushBoy the Grey at Discmania, CrushBoy the White at MVP? Heh
Yep. If you download the MVP wholesale order form over 90% of molds are out of stock, and order processing time is 4 to 6 weeks!
I would disagree. I personally prefer Discmania discs. They made a huge mistake in letting him slip away.
Thanks for the honest review Drew. I always respect your opinions. When it comes to my go to putters, I want to be able to Flick them as well as putting.
The deeper depth, for putting, does not do well with my big hands. I am not biased, I've been a Gyronaut since 2014. My favorite Putter for approach is the Aerobie Arrow.
I likely have more putters in my used bin than any other mold.
And why I usually carry 4-5 different Proxies.
Can't wait until the Pixel comes out. I knew my old putters were to blame for my bad puttting!
That is super helpful that you explained the difference in putter shapes and what that means. It was really cool to see the difference right away as you demonstrated.
I putted with the nomad for ages but just recently changed my grip and the pixel fits my hand much better!
its such a blessing to get yuor take and break down on all things disc golf, especailly in regards to new plastic. thanks bud
Thanks for the tip using a more shallow putter when wobbling.
Great video, I enjoyed seeing honest flight of the putter, thanks drew, I also like how Drew isn't a sell out, but does promote what he likes.
Hoesntly, the tip about the thinner putter was very helpful. I dont think i have ever heard about that yet so thank you! Keep up the great work!
I’ve had my pixel now for a week. I love it!
Thank you , thank you, thank you.
Somebody finally showed and described a way to step putt that works for me.
I watched this last night and today was banging chains at 35-40 feet with ease.
the on screen text comments are great and made me laugh (wobbler 5000), keep em coming Drew!
I saw some speculation, when people were talking about Ohn Scoggins putting, that a wobbly putt has its advantages. Their argument being that it averages out the winds influence on the discs flight.
I've tinkered about with this a bit and do sometimes purpously go for a wobble when my usual putt is 'off' (for me if I shift the thumb part of my palm further onto the flight plate I get a wobble)
Not something I've dived into in any great depth though It's in my mind to have a few putting sessions trying it out when it warms up to see if it is a good/terrible thing for my putting game.
I believe Ulibarri/Jerm has mentioned that Paul McBeth likes to add / remove wobble based on the putt he's facing. So I can see some merit whilst understanding that for some people it's too much micro management.
Definitely going to try the pixel for sure looks like a sweet flyer!!!
On the subject of putter wobble, we can say with some authority that it has zero bearing on accuracy.
Because Yeti's putt wobbles like crazy, and he won 5x Putting World Championships.
SCOGGINS
The subtitles poking fun at yourself are actually pretty funny, keep up the good work man!
i do need a super glidey putting putter, but was thinking of going with the Watt.
4:58 I can do that too even looking at the basket 🤣
I have watched probably 200 videos on putting and this is the first time ive read or heard if you got the wobbles maybe try a thinner putter. This has helped alot thank you. This should be a PSA honestly never heard it before.
I want one of these so bad. Sounds like a perfect putter.
Really love seeing the recent content!
Great to see comparison videos, especially with the putters stacked and getting to see that profile. I seriously wish the PDGA approved discs page required profile views along with the measurements, numbers are so close between the Judge, Penrose and Pixel, but i'm sure they all still feel plenty different in hand.
I've been putting Judges since they came out (except for a few months with the Hydrogen when it released) and recently tried the dagger but didn't feel quite right. Looks like I need to get my hands on a Penrose to try it out!
Have you tried an EMac Judge?
Just pre ordered 2 of them.
As someone who mainly putts Rainmakers (slightly shallower modified P2) and P1Xs for long putts, I'm super excited for the Pixel.
Scoggins makes wobbles look good... You'll get there! LOL
I want to try a Pixel but I might not like it. I like suuuper thin profiles for putters. I actually like the Watt. Feels best in my hands. I want MVP to do a run of Soft Electron Watts.
Yes please I'm stoked for this putter! I've always putted with mvp anode but this seems closer to what I want
Did Drew just come up with the tagline for the Pixel - point and shoot?
Yup, perfectly fits the theme
That's like 90% of the putter market... That's what putters do unless specifically designed otherwise.
@@derpderpin1568 of course, but name another disc line that it would be more aptly named for.
@@genecrosby3776 Point and shoot is used for all the discs that fly straight. MD1, Mako3/Mako, Buzzz SS etc. are point and shoot discs. Most putters are fairly straight flying. Point and shoot putters are Pure, Swan, Atom, Roach, Pa4/Pa5 and many others. This is a commonly used term for straight fliers. That tagline has been used for dozens of discs. But you are correct, probably fits Pixel as well.
As a penrose putter, I hate the slightly deeper form factor, but then again I also use a Luna as my driving/throw putter. Very cool to see your take on this new Simon Line!
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Loving the vlogmas content you and the other guys are doing!
More to come!
good review...thanks for the insight and knowledge drop.
Have you ever tried the atom? It has that point and shoot flight like the pixel but it’s much thinner and flatter more similar to the Penrose
Personally I think it’s a good bit shallower than the penrose. Absolutely love my atoms tho so maybe I’m just a fanboy
The way you described putting with the Penrose makes me understand why you kept pulling your putts right during the blind challenge haha. Good tip on getting a thinner putter if you have a wobble. I'll need to check my technique first though
Thanks for the review! I’m torn because I love a glidey point and shoot putter but don’t love a deep dish. If nothing else seems like a good one for that borderline putt/throw distance if you’re trying to give it a chance.
Yeah I putt with pilots which are very flat and pretty shallow but straight and glidey. Idk if it will be good for me.
Absolutely loved seeing your content with Simon. Don't apologize for your camera work! You have been getting better and better. Hardest working salesman in disc golf! Can't wait to see you back in the mix in the 2024 season.
Thanks, Drew!
Love the honest review
Love the vids Drew! Keep up the content!
Glad you like them!
Wonder how it compares to my Bergs I'm currently using
I think that was one of the best putter reviews I have ever seen.
The intro music is from Greg Turkingtons On Cinema On Location
My problem when I practice putting is I have a stack of 16 putters but every one of them are different. I need to commit to which putter I want to use and get 16 of them. So I might go Luna, Dart, Marvel, Berg, Fierce ect... and have to change up how I throw each one. I guess its good to learn how each flies but I definitely need to commit to one.
Check factory stores for clearance sales. I got 10 judges for 4.89 a piece because DD was unloading a bunch of 10 year anniversary 2022 stamp ones they were sitting on a bunch of coming in to this summer. But yea committing to a putter and not changing it just for the hell of it or because you think it'll help is actually huge. There is so little difference between them, there is no miracle putter that'll fix whatever you might think your issue is. Just practice and consistency.
When you choose put all putters on bed and close your eyes take everyone into hand and what feels best it will be right one. I changed my putting putter that way and got instantly better results without practicing. Of course you need to adjust your putting in long term because different flight but if it feels good into hand it will perform better.
Have you tried the Nomad? Its what I've been using and i think it feels a bit thinner. I'm curious what you think of it.
A part of me wonders if a beat in pixel will replace the spin or proxy is simon’s bag. Drew, what do you think about one of these replacing your old beat up kc aviar for approaches? Seems like it would be similar
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Anyone looking for shallower putter, I recently switched to Discmania Logic from Discraft Challengers after learning about finger pop. I felt like the 1.6cm deep Challengers were a bit too deep for me, keeping me from getting a good pop and leaving the disc on a steep hyzer. The 1.3cm deep Logic allows me to get more pop and flatter hyzer angle, making it more point-and-shoot.
I love watching you throw mvp/axiom
Not sure of flight numbers. Looks like about 2,4,0,1 by the way it flies. If so, I would be interested.
Drew says, "My miss is historically low." That doesn't mean what he thinks it means 🤣
Paul's backyard is dope 🤘🏼 looks like fun
He worth every penny of what mvp paid him. No one sells a disc like Simon.
MVP should sign Drew so I can watch Simon and Drew videos all the time. Also, some signature series Gibson discs? That would be sweet!
He owns a competitor company. How would that work
Is the hitch or pause in your putting motion on purpose? Looks like it's during weight transfer. If so, how does it help you?
Just happens idk
Which Electron Plastic is Simon's Pixel in? Firm, Med, or Soft?
loving the content drew!
Drew might want to try them after his second round of putting last weekend,😬
How about round 3? 😰
I’m looking forward to trying out the Pixel. I’m a Judge putter.
Let’s make Majors 5 rounds,… and Worlds,… 6 or 7 rounds!!!
Holy smokes that putter comparison did not do it justice because it straight up look like the Penrose was deeper 😂
Flight plate is probably thicker on the Penrose. With the gyro putting more weight in the rim, the plates are thinner.
How are they for driver putters from 200-250?
DO we know the flight numbers on the pixel?
2,4,0, 0.5
Great review
With as smooth and far as you throw, is there anywhere to see your "Techdisc" numbers? That would be a fun video to watch.
I don't have a tech disc sadly
@DrewGibson I'm hoping for one for Christmas, though it may be February due to back orders.
Wonder how the Pixel compares to the Nomad for putting? I've been loving putting with the Nomads since they were released. Sounds like the Pixel might be too deep for my style, but gonna have to check it out when they are released.
Only tried the Nomad, but looks like similar stability with more glide. Hand feel looks very similar to Ion.
"go inside I don't want you to hear this"
*Zooms in*
I hope they make a soft version of the pixel.
So kinda like MVP Version of a Rainmaker. Or that’s what it sounds like
You, as an EV-7 signed player how does it compare to a Phi? I love my Phis
Only thing I would have to disagree with is hand size in terms of putters. I think it is way more about comfort. There are guys with freakishly small hands putting with daggers. Great video though
Can't wait to see what good ol' Hugh can get done with these... 🪛 and doin' 🛠
Are they deeper than the Proxy?
What are the numbers? Do these weigh more than the glitch?
Ofc
I have been waiting ever so patiently for the pixel. I did just pick up a tsa pneuma in their nerve plastic. I love the nerve plastic for grip and those putters are also a very straight putter
Drew, you got to let a guy know when their collar is all jacked up 😂
Simon, definitely just describe the Luna 😂
Lunas aren't that deep. Its also more rounded, because it is shallower.
Excellent video.
gonna be ordering a stack
Im sold... gimmie 10 of em right now please! :D
Agree or disagree, a putters flight is irrelevant inside 30'? In my opinion, i think most can putt with any putter inside 30' as long as it fits their hand.
For the most part yea. I mean a Pure vs. a Challenger OS at 30 feet is definitely different but for the majority of neutral-ish putters yea.
Gotta Blame the putts on the frisbee club shirt. It’s just what comes with the club 🤝
Sometime early next year... (i.e. Black Friday 2024)
Come on Springtime!
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Drew, you need a new bass pro shops hat. 😂
Extremely wobbly today lol
It's cool but it doesn't do anything a ton of other putters can't do. Most likely this will just make people drop their tried and true throwers and become more inconsistent as they learn and beat in another disc for no reason. Really not much reason to keep making new putter molds these days, they're completely solved, but it'll sell anyways cause Simons name is on it.
The reason was because Simon line! He didn't have the exact putter he wanted 🤣 What are you trying to say?
When is Drew to MVP happening???
The Penrose aint a thin putter. The anode n roach are thin putters
And those are thick compared to Prodigy's Pa5.
Cool video
that's why people call it the P1Xel lol you can definitely tell that's what they were going for
Genuinely curious, what if the Pixel ended up being way better for your game overall? Would it be worth pulling away from EV7?
He probably could help desing a new disc with similar dimensions
Don’t mind the wobble. Embrace your inner Ohn!
Why you posting these videos? Let's get back to golf ✊️
Maybe not. 😅 Ya'll make great content.
Does Uli know that you’re still in his yard?
shhh
honestly the pixel looks a lot like a proxy tbh.
I think the Pixel will be noticeably deeper and more rounded than the Proxy.
Hard to tell on video, but if it is indeed a P1X/P2 hybrid, it will feel pretty different than a Proxy.
i want to fix his collar so bad 😭
P1xel. Nice.
P1X-el
'P1X' el
3:36 closeup showing the penrose looks exactly as tick if not thicker than the pixel and drew says the pixel looks thicker, no way
I have no reason to lie. That Pixel is much deeper than my Penrose 😂
I think when he stacked them, the shoulder/dome of the Pixel went up inside the Penrose. If you laid them both flat on a table, you'd prolly see a difference.
L take
Damn simons using pre released putters that are pdga approved lmao thats a FLEXXXXXXXX
Lot of player use pre-released discs. That is perfectly fine and by the rules. There used to be a rule that 500 disc must have been made more or less available or something like that, but current rule book has nothing about that.
Just needs to be approved by PDGA and follow the technical standards.
no one said that it was not pdga legal but it is cool that no one has them but him lol even if they wanted too they couldnt and thats what i mean by a flex. u took rules from that? @@kimmomatikainen1843