What I like about this series the most is the script. There are no nonsense dialogues. The never tell to each other that they are in love, so cheesy. They just look in love. And after such an ordeal, he just stands there, no need to describe what happened. She already knows they won by looking at him and we can see it in her face.
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought while watching. They often write these historical love stories between spouses as a very cheesy love at first sight. We see each other, we fall in love, we keep saying lovely things to each other. But Mary and Maximilian is not written like this. It just seems so natural somehow.
@@Lily1127channel yeah, super natural. Also, both of their characters are no nonsense, he specially is very tough, so he is naturally tough in his way, towards her. As men usually are. Men are not usually romantic, and he proves his loyalty with his actions, not sugar coating or being cheesy. I don't know if he was this kind of person in reality but as a character he is very real. He is a monarch, he knows where he stands, it wouldn't make sense for him to be under her shirts like a romantic hero. Yet he is loyal to her and is clearly very in love. And he is devastated by their tragedy as anybody would be.
I agree, actually wanted to post the same impression. This script feels mature. When Maximilian meets his awakening wife again, he bends his head towards her. He does not want to speak about the grim battle and close result, fresh in his mind. He slowly get ino connection with her again. Then both levels, the political relief and the pair's loving relationship result in the kiss. - I've hopped through some other scenes/ vids surveyed by Lili127 and there's so much equal behaviour of Max and Mary there, both upright, relevant and tender.
I love the fact that most or all of the German actors didn't speak French, most or all of the French actors didn't speak German, yet they were able to interact and communicate naturally, having memorized each others lines in translation, and speaking as much with facial expression as with words. In my opinion, this series deserves much more recognition and acclaim than it has received. What a full length film it might have made! Acting, costumes, sets, locations, all superb, as is the musical score. Note for example that we hear drums beating when Maximilian is exiting a tent prior to his duel at Wiener Neustadt, and that when he exits into daylight, the drumming becomes more complicated and heightens the senses and expectations of the duel. All through the series, the music isn't just "in the background", it speaks to us, as do words and visuals.
@@ReichsritterHe meant they were able to act their roles properly or in a believable way because they knew what the other characters were saying, even if it was in a different language. This is important because people who were involved in politics back then needed to be knowledgeable in several languages, so the French characters actually understood what the German characters were saying because they understood German even if the French actors did not, and vice versa.
i just watched all the episodes again & this has to be my favorite series. it's the quiet, the few words spoken, the emotion that makes this an excellent series. thanks for posting.
the music & slow motion of the battle are like a dream sequence. & the way he appears before her in slow motion is very moving. am loving their relationship.
Having seen a few clips now, this show definitely looks superior. Also, glad to see continentals doing their own stories - usually, it's the Brits or we Americans (and we don't go further east than France, lol). Of course, I'm sure there are series like this all the time, but they don't make it further West much.
@@qarmatianwarhorse6028 The Brits are the best historians though, and produce the best actors and the best drama productions. Still, it's good to see a decent production from Europe. Makes a change.
That's because it's about making money. Can't make movies if they all fall. Its common sense that those who speak English would rather have movies based on English language people than eastern people. Ridley Scott had his knight movie bomb at the box office a year or so ago.
The parts in this clip that impressed me most, were : Mary praying, the carnage after the battle( a dreadful sight), and the two loving couples ´reunion.
Seasons to follow? Well you do understand this is history......about.....Maximilian and. .. it is not Games of Thrones . But: there are excellent books to read on this history.
4:39 I love this scene. After all the arguments between Father and Son, it seems the Emperor is finally starting to think that perhaps his son.... was right!!
Friedrich was quite successful in gaining what he wanted using his strengths, to be fair though. As for disagreeing with his son: In Friedrich III's time, all the other branches of the Habsburgs ended due to the lack of a male heir. So Maximilian was the only one left for the whole dynasty. Also perhaps partly due to his old age, he worried too much about the health of his children (he took always Maximilian's sister Kunigunde from their mother Eleanor and raised her on his own because he thought the empress's methods made her a sickly child). His rivals - brother Albrecht, Charles the Bold, Matthias Corvinus - were warlike, brilliant and reckless and they all ended up dead without a heir and with their kingdoms forfeited or broken. That was why he was always against Maximilian's adventurous tendencies, whether personal, political or military. It was strange the way the line between a child, considered "eligible" for spankings and slappings, and a head of state, who had to lead a country in crisis, could be so blurred in those days though. Even during Max's coronation ceremony as King of the Romans later (1486, when he was 27), he was still given a public tongue lashing in front of all the princes for accepting a joust and falling off from his horse.
@@tacitus7 Thank you. For some people, one can only say that is their Destiny. If Max had died when checking a cannon barrel with a naked flame or putting his foot in a huge wheel, now he would be included in lists of the most stupid monarches ever. Yẻt Louis XI at the beginning knew that he was a more dangerous opponent than Charles the Bold.
I feel quite touched by this series, it's protrayals of the characters. Maybe bc the script mirrors what we wich to hear today. On the other hand, so many things are told contrary to historical circumstances. At Guigenate, e.g., what knocks me out off the fiction is when Maximilian calls forward the pikes - and they bear just long lances. :p
@@nicolezahra6737 Many thanks, Ms/Mrs Zahra. I now realized there were 2 battles at Guigenate, only the latter one with the English taking part. So I corrected my post.
Well.... yikes. Not exactly a good historical treatment of the battle. The one part they got right was that Maximilian did fight on foot with the pike blocks. However, the Burgundian/Low Countries/ German force did indeed have knights. The French knights did not actually attack the pike blocks. They actually engaged in a cavalry battle with the German knights, chasing the German cavalry from the field, then turning and looting Maximilian's baggage train. While the French knights were preoccupied with looting the baggage, Maximilian led his infantry to crush the French infantry. Maximilian's pike blocks were not used against cavalry, and they certainly weren't the single pitiful rank of pikes shown here; they were a block of pike some 10-20 men deep, with pikes significantly longer than this, and they didn't sit and receive a charge, they took the offense and charged down the French infantry. Maximilian ORDERED that some 400 of his nobles dismount and fight on foot to form the first rank or two of the pike block, where their superior skill and armor would bolster the strength of the pike units. Maximilian also showed tactical aptitude by anchoring his flanks against some woods. I get that they're trying to depict Maximilian as an impoverished underdog who triumphs through valor and will, but he was actually quite wealthy, and in this battle, wore a resplendent set of gothic armor. The precise suit is quite possibly the one now in the Detroit Museum of Art (some date this set to after 1485, but certain features of it are indicators of much earlier construction). The brigandine he's shown wearing here is quite incorrect for a man of his social standing, and not only that, but brigandine armor was quite rare in German lands in general, and Austria in particular, because armorer guild bylaws stifled competition from brigandine-makers.
The knights at Guignegatte were not Germans but Burgundians from Burgundy itself and the Low Countries and after being firstly routed they came back on the field and routed the french knights, thus (with the allied infantry being victorious) ending the battle. The only germans on the field were not very numerous (3.000 on 28.000 troops) and were landsknechts, hence in the infantry.
@@hadrienraymond5224 The battle was already won by the time Maximilian's cavalry returned. The French cavalry were too busy looting the baggage train to have any impact on the battle; they being subsequently chased off had no impact on which side won. Also, I'm not going to write "Burgundian/ Low Countries/ German" every time I reference to the force. Maximilian was (what modernity considers) a German noble, the force was under his command, and was fighting on behalf of him. The entire force is therefore the "German force". The fact that the French brought some mercenary English bowmen and billmen does not mean they were not part of the "French force". The fact is that Maximilian did indeed bring a fair number (most indications are 100-200) of knights/ nobles from what would now be Austria and Germany. He simply ordered most of them to fight on foot. Titled nobles are not "landsknecht".
@@bronco5334 For the battle I don’t say the opposite. When the french cavalry came back and saw the burgundian infantry victorious on the field they were attacked and routed in their turn by the burgundian cavalry and that was the last engagement of the battle. That’s why I said it ended the battle. I disagree on the term german. First the Lows Countries were Burgundians and are commonly called, like every other burgundian possession as Burgundians. Then, Maximilian was fighting on behalf of his spouse, Marie, Duchess of Burgundy to protect her lands and inheritance and he did that with an infantry that apart from 3.000 german landsknechts (which I never said were nobles since I counted them in the regular infantry) and 500 english archers (they were with the Burgundians not the french) was only composed of northern burgundians communal levies of Flanders and with a cavalry only composed by knights from Burgundy itself and from the northern possessions of Burgundy. So talking about a "german force" here has no sense. More, Maximilian, as Duke consort of Burgundy fought for the Burgundian States and led the forces of Burgundy to represent his spouse, the Duchess of Burgundy, to put an end in the conflict between France and Burgundy. The right term here is just "burgundian force". More I have never seen a mention of german knights in any source. The 100/200 knights you are talking about are often referenced as his nobles and only said they were dismounted and fought with Maximilian and the infantry, but at the time he is Duke consort of Burgundy (it is under that title he is fighting at Guinegate) and his nobles at the time are burgundians, not germans. There are only mentions of burgundians knights at Guinegate and none of german knights. And it is perfectly logical. Maximilian at the time wants to be a unifying figure in Burgundy to strengthen the rule of Marie over territories that were quite turbulents. That’s also why he indentifies himself with the father and ancestors of Marie, the Dukes of Burgundy, nicknamed Great Dukes of the West, by using the burgundian ducal symbolic. We can even see that on a number of his armors. He wants to show a continuity between the time of the Dukes and the time of their heiress, Marie. So, no it’s not a german force. It’s a burgundian one.
Still didn’t have much heavy cavalry though did they? I mean sure with the right tactics and enough men heavy cavalry will still have a hard time but I mean French knights count for something didn’t they?
Looking back, Maria's lady in waiting/confidant (I think that was her position)was just so attractive. Not just her looks. She looks wow... But there was something else about her.
*double takes* You mean the Norman Kings of England? There were no French Kings of England, the closest you got was a Norman and in 1066 when William enforced his legitimate claim to the throne as a direct descendent of Alfred the Great the Normans where still Ethnically and Culturally distinct from the French. They were just French speaking Norwegians.
@@jorgejustin461 only part of the Normans were of Nordic descent, a large part were natives but yes the majority of Norman noblemen were of Nordic descent. As for William he already had more French blood than Nordic blood. Furthermore the Normans brought much more of French culture than Nordic culture to England, so while yes the Normans' culture was different than the one from the royal domain of France and had a few remnants of Nordic ways, ultimately they were much more similar to the central French than Norwegians. They were barely if at all any more different to the French Royal domain than the southern territories of France were to the French royal domain, no big countries at the time could claim to have the same cultures and laws throughout its territory. At the end of the day Normandy was part of the French Kingdom and its residents subjects of the French crown no matter their origins and level of autonomy of the Duchy/County, quite a few French dukes and their duchies at one point were more powerful than the French king and his royal domain (just in case you're gonna bring up Normandy being powerful and enjoyed a high level of autonomy). Simply put Normans of Nordic descent were no less French than people from French speaking Quebec are Canadians and not French; or a 2nd, 3rd etc... generation Chinese immigrant living in a Chinatown in the US an American and not Chinese.
Well, there is none 😀 Or I don't know. She didn't appear in the series between her saying goodbye to Wolf after the trial (where it was decided she had to go back to her husband) and this moment.
It looks really good but unrealistic. For some reason movie makers allways depict the middle ages as a time without colour. While we know from paintings that people wore brightly coloured fabrics and lived in brightly coloured interiors. At least, people who could afford this. Mary and Maximilian certainly could. I suspect this has to do with the cliché of the "dark middle ages". In contrast, series about Roman times or the 18th century are coloured! While daylight was the same in every age.
THEY SKIPPED THE ACTUAL BATTLE. Honestly my one serious gripe about an otherwise stellar show. Not sure why they didn’t show the fighting like it wasn’t important to the story…
Probably of the budget. A big battle scene with many extras is expensive and even a small scale quickly can grow uncomfortably costly. So in order to tell the story, they decided to show that there was a battle and gave the rough outline.
1479 and no ranks of matchlock riflemen? That is not good for anyone in a battlefield where guns of all sizes are pretty much beginning to dominate warfare. 1450, there were already marksmens' guilds in Germany holding long range target matches with rifles. Ottomans and Japanese were almost entirely using firearms.
omfg. all these wannabe military historians these days. watch it and you will see why. These series dont give much about the battle part, it was just symbolic. And of course, battles are expensive (the whole series had a budget of around 10 mio). If you watch these series just because you want to see battles, you are at the wrong place. Its about M + J, the rest is just secondary
@National Socialism Yes indeed. King Jan III Sobieski was the savior of Christendom during these darkest hours. If Vienna had fallen, Kara Mustafa would have split his vast army for two simultaneous invasions. The main Turkish force would head for Rome, while the Crimean Tatars would strike France. But Sobieski's rout of the main Ottoman force at Vienna kept that from happening. And guess the date the battle fell on. September 11, 1683.
@National Socialism Cavalry is extremely effective, especially with the right weapons. The Colt 1911 was initially adopted for use by the Texas Rangers, which was a complete horse based unit until the 1920s when Prohibition violence saw their jurisdiction expanded to the motorways and cities. The revolver and breechloading rifle, both able to be loaded and fired from horseback, enabled western cavalry forces to greatly surpass the mounted archers of the east. Cavalry+projectile weapons = winning combo. Even today.
@@BlueSkyCountry Uh... what? The Colt 1911 was absolutely not "initially adopted for use by the Texas Rangers", it was specifically designed for the US Army in response to a requirement the Army drew up after their experience in the Philippine Insurrection. The gun that was designed for the Texas Rangers was the 1847 Colt Walker, which is a TOTALLY different beast; a cap-and-ball revolver weighing almost as much as a modern M4 carbine (it's a four and a half pound pistol, designed with the specification that it had to be powerful enough to kill horses in battle).
I would like to watch this show but what throws me off is the unmatched lip movement of the French actors with spoken German. Why didn’t they just hire German actors to play the French to keep it all one language? It’s a movie, not a documentary.
Perhaps it should have been obvious, but was the guy they zoomed in on, on the battlefield Johanna’s husband? Would that have allowed her and Wolfgang to marry? (I’m asking about the scandal of their known affair, the fact he was supposed to be dead etc. Would their marriage have been permitted, without them losing their place at court?)
Pfff...they should have hire an historian. First, Maximilian was having more men. Secondly, his cavalry was routed and it was a costly fight for him. A Pyrrhus Victory that he could not use. Finally, where is the artillery and horses don't charge on Spikes for god sake....
@National Socialism Thank you very much for the reply. So people did not wear plate armor in foot combat? As far as I know, they did. Or Maximilian did not? I have no idea about whether he did or did not, but certainly he could wear brigandine, yeah.
@National Socialism Thank you very much, but as far as I can tell, many people fought in plate armor on foot. Although people with plate armor fought much less on foot compared to mounted fighting, still, it was far from being uncommon.
@National Socialism Thank you very much for the knowledgeable replies. As far as I know, there were plate armors suitable for foot combat and people wearing them fought on foot. Such armor would include cuirass, arm cannons, gauntlets, symmetrical pauldrons, helmet, gorget/bevor, large faulds, small tassets, fully enclused cuisses, and greaves. So, no sabatons, but everything else. Yeah there number were certainly less than people with full plate fighting mounted, but they were in full plate also and fought on foot.
@National Socialism No, it is actually complete coherent suits of plate armor, just optimized for fighting on foot. I knew almost nothing about Maximilian, thank you for the information about him.
Honestly, it was most likely a budget issue. They had 10 million which isn’t a lot when you actually run the numbers. For comparison, the excellent „Alatriste“, a great Spanish movie, had a total budget of 24 million Euro ( the most expensive Spanish production to this date). It had a final run time of 145 minutes. Maximilian: The Game of Power and Love ( or Maximilian and Marie De Bourgogne or just Maximilian ) on the other hand ran for 270 minutes in its official releases ( a 3 part TV miniseries ).
The scene is irritating in that it would take little or no effort to show the pikes in a block instead of a line. Heavy cavalry would ride right over a single line in real life but get slaughtered by a block
This was at 1479 there was no block formation used at this time. The pikes where only to kill the horses, the rider would fall of it and into the Swords behind the Pikes.
@@Kullioking Wow. No. The pike was absolutely used in a block. Actually, more frequently they were used in a "keil", also known as a wedge, and were used not just for standing there defensively, they were used to ATTACK. The pike wedge would charge into an opposing formation. Charles the Bold was killed by Swiss using pikes in large wedge formations at Nancy (you know, the guy shown dead in battle in the first couple minutes of the first episode of this series?). Pike was used offensively, and it was used against infantry. It most certainly was not "just a single rank to defend against cavalry". Maximilian adopted and built on the Swiss way of fighting. Guinegate was the battle that set the rest of Europe down the road of adopting massed pike block formations as the dominant arm of military forces for the next 70-80 years of warfare. Maximilian's forces in the battle were drawn up into two deep pike blocks, probably at least 15 ranks deep, with the front rank or two comprised of Maximilian's well-armored nobles, whom Maximilian had ordered to fight with the infantry formation (as did Maximilian himself).
Oh please, some women want more power too and always have, and some men don't care for it. Some women in history attained it via direct rule, some by influencing powerful men behind the scenes. The desire for power is a human one, not a "male" one, nor is war a "male" thing. It is true that wars were mostly fought by men and that more men in history have ruled than women, but women still backed war and the use of force and today we see women politicians and women in the armed forces. The centuries old notion that men waged the wars while women were the life bearers, civilizers and nurturers of society who had to be protected by men has rightly - or wrongly - fallen to the wayside. Tell women today that MEN want more power because the desire for power is a male thing, not a female thing, and you'll get an earful - from women.
? There was battle in the previous scenes 😀 th-cam.com/video/g5OY2_uj77I/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgxvC4qt9_gcECkwK1d4AaABAg This is just the win and the aftermath
watches a series about two people comming together....."where is my battle scene!?!?". You are like these stupid first semester history students who get the profs roll their eyes because all they are interested in are battles and most of their knowledge is from movies and computer games. Grow up already!
Useless battle. Louis XI didn't care about battles because he didn't spend enough money . Proof ? The idiot Maximilian had to cede huge territories to Louis XI in 1482 because.......he was broke ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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What I like about this series the most is the script. There are no nonsense dialogues. The never tell to each other that they are in love, so cheesy. They just look in love. And after such an ordeal, he just stands there, no need to describe what happened. She already knows they won by looking at him and we can see it in her face.
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought while watching. They often write these historical love stories between spouses as a very cheesy love at first sight. We see each other, we fall in love, we keep saying lovely things to each other. But Mary and Maximilian is not written like this. It just seems so natural somehow.
@@Lily1127channel yeah, super natural. Also, both of their characters are no nonsense, he specially is very tough, so he is naturally tough in his way, towards her. As men usually are. Men are not usually romantic, and he proves his loyalty with his actions, not sugar coating or being cheesy. I don't know if he was this kind of person in reality but as a character he is very real. He is a monarch, he knows where he stands, it wouldn't make sense for him to be under her shirts like a romantic hero. Yet he is loyal to her and is clearly very in love. And he is devastated by their tragedy as anybody would be.
I agree, actually wanted to post the same impression. This script feels mature. When Maximilian meets his awakening wife again, he bends his head towards her. He does not want to speak about the grim battle and close result, fresh in his mind. He slowly get ino connection with her again. Then both levels, the political relief and the pair's loving relationship result in the kiss. - I've hopped through some other scenes/ vids surveyed by Lili127 and there's so much equal behaviour of Max and Mary there, both upright, relevant and tender.
what serie is this???????
@@tushtay73 de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_%E2%80%93_Das_Spiel_von_Macht_und_Liebe
I love the fact that most or all of the German actors didn't speak French, most or all of the French actors didn't speak German, yet they were able to interact and communicate naturally, having memorized each others lines in translation, and speaking as much with facial expression as with words. In my opinion, this series deserves much more recognition and acclaim than it has received. What a full length film it might have made! Acting, costumes, sets, locations, all superb, as is the musical score. Note for example that we hear drums beating when Maximilian is exiting a tent prior to his duel at Wiener Neustadt, and that when he exits into daylight, the drumming becomes more complicated and heightens the senses and expectations of the duel. All through the series, the music isn't just "in the background", it speaks to us, as do words and visuals.
AS far as the visuals go. I've noticed you could stop the video at almost any point & you have a wonderful painting on screen.
They got translating apps back then you know
It makes no sense that the French actors couldn't just speak French as their characters were French anyway
@@ReichsritterHe meant they were able to act their roles properly or in a believable way because they knew what the other characters were saying, even if it was in a different language. This is important because people who were involved in politics back then needed to be knowledgeable in several languages, so the French characters actually understood what the German characters were saying because they understood German even if the French actors did not, and vice versa.
@@krdiaz8026 The Burgundian nobility (Valois French) didn't understand High German, maybe Low German because it's the local language
i just watched all the episodes again & this has to be my favorite series. it's the quiet, the few words spoken, the emotion that makes this an excellent series. thanks for posting.
I just found it today and this is my second time watching it. I'm in love with this series, the best I've ever watched!
The actors were outstanding. The script superb. The videography outstanding. Easily one of the best series I have watched.
the music & slow motion of the battle are like a dream sequence. & the way he appears before her in slow motion is very moving. am loving their relationship.
Funny how people critizize the depiction of the battle when there deliberately isn't actually much of a battle shown.
This is so good! The battle, the banter on the field, Max & Mary reuniting - Hi Margaret! :D - and Wolf &Johanna! Thanks for uploading!
what battle? from this clip we saw horse charging and him yelling and thats it... kind of a let down
Having seen a few clips now, this show definitely looks superior. Also, glad to see continentals doing their own stories - usually, it's the Brits or we Americans (and we don't go further east than France, lol). Of course, I'm sure there are series like this all the time, but they don't make it further West much.
Good. I don't want the anglophone world pozzing everything up, especially wholesome continental European entertainment.
@@qarmatianwarhorse6028 The Brits are the best historians though, and produce the best actors and the best drama productions. Still, it's good to see a decent production from Europe. Makes a change.
@@ds1868 Agree with you strongly on both counts.
That's because it's about making money. Can't make movies if they all fall. Its common sense that those who speak English would rather have movies based on English language people than eastern people. Ridley Scott had his knight movie bomb at the box office a year or so ago.
The parts in this clip that impressed me most, were : Mary praying, the carnage after the battle( a dreadful sight), and the two loving couples ´reunion.
YES.
This was such a great show if only it was longer with seasons to follow.
Seasons to follow? Well you do understand this is history......about.....Maximilian and. .. it is not Games of Thrones . But: there are excellent books to read on this history.
I'd love to see a series about all the great men that ever lived one per season
Watch Genius season 1, 2, and 4 which are are about Einstein, Picasso, MLK/ Malcolm X. Skip Season 3@@cesaryaelmurillo4367
@@cesaryaelmurillo4367 well the next is Charles V
4:39 I love this scene. After all the arguments between Father and Son, it seems the Emperor is finally starting to think that perhaps his son.... was right!!
Friedrich was quite successful in gaining what he wanted using his strengths, to be fair though. As for disagreeing with his son: In Friedrich III's time, all the other branches of the Habsburgs ended due to the lack of a male heir. So Maximilian was the only one left for the whole dynasty. Also perhaps partly due to his old age, he worried too much about the health of his children (he took always Maximilian's sister Kunigunde from their mother Eleanor and raised her on his own because he thought the empress's methods made her a sickly child). His rivals - brother Albrecht, Charles the Bold, Matthias Corvinus - were warlike, brilliant and reckless and they all ended up dead without a heir and with their kingdoms forfeited or broken. That was why he was always against Maximilian's adventurous tendencies, whether personal, political or military. It was strange the way the line between a child, considered "eligible" for spankings and slappings, and a head of state, who had to lead a country in crisis, could be so blurred in those days though. Even during Max's coronation ceremony as King of the Romans later (1486, when he was 27), he was still given a public tongue lashing in front of all the princes for accepting a joust and falling off from his horse.
@@Alcoholmixture Very much appreciated your reply. History is complex and thought provoking.
@@tacitus7 Thank you. For some people, one can only say that is their Destiny. If Max had died when checking a cannon barrel with a naked flame or putting his foot in a huge wheel, now he would be included in lists of the most stupid monarches ever. Yẻt Louis XI at the beginning knew that he was a more dangerous opponent than Charles the Bold.
When the production budget can't stretch to an actual battle.
When the story is more than important than the cinematography.
@@FloridaIndependent cope
I feel quite touched by this series, it's protrayals of the characters. Maybe bc the script mirrors what we wich to hear today. On the other hand, so many things are told contrary to historical circumstances. At Guigenate, e.g., what knocks me out off the fiction is when Maximilian calls forward the pikes - and they bear just long lances. :p
It couldn't have been Henry VIII because 1479 pre-dates the Tudor period
@@nicolezahra6737 Many thanks, Ms/Mrs Zahra. I now realized there were 2 battles at Guigenate, only the latter one with the English taking part. So I corrected my post.
3:06 Love her smile.
Well.... yikes. Not exactly a good historical treatment of the battle. The one part they got right was that Maximilian did fight on foot with the pike blocks. However, the Burgundian/Low Countries/ German force did indeed have knights. The French knights did not actually attack the pike blocks. They actually engaged in a cavalry battle with the German knights, chasing the German cavalry from the field, then turning and looting Maximilian's baggage train. While the French knights were preoccupied with looting the baggage, Maximilian led his infantry to crush the French infantry.
Maximilian's pike blocks were not used against cavalry, and they certainly weren't the single pitiful rank of pikes shown here; they were a block of pike some 10-20 men deep, with pikes significantly longer than this, and they didn't sit and receive a charge, they took the offense and charged down the French infantry. Maximilian ORDERED that some 400 of his nobles dismount and fight on foot to form the first rank or two of the pike block, where their superior skill and armor would bolster the strength of the pike units. Maximilian also showed tactical aptitude by anchoring his flanks against some woods.
I get that they're trying to depict Maximilian as an impoverished underdog who triumphs through valor and will, but he was actually quite wealthy, and in this battle, wore a resplendent set of gothic armor. The precise suit is quite possibly the one now in the Detroit Museum of Art (some date this set to after 1485, but certain features of it are indicators of much earlier construction). The brigandine he's shown wearing here is quite incorrect for a man of his social standing, and not only that, but brigandine armor was quite rare in German lands in general, and Austria in particular, because armorer guild bylaws stifled competition from brigandine-makers.
The knights at Guignegatte were not Germans but Burgundians from Burgundy itself and the Low Countries and after being firstly routed they came back on the field and routed the french knights, thus (with the allied infantry being victorious) ending the battle. The only germans on the field were not very numerous (3.000 on 28.000 troops) and were landsknechts, hence in the infantry.
@@hadrienraymond5224 The battle was already won by the time Maximilian's cavalry returned. The French cavalry were too busy looting the baggage train to have any impact on the battle; they being subsequently chased off had no impact on which side won.
Also, I'm not going to write "Burgundian/ Low Countries/ German" every time I reference to the force. Maximilian was (what modernity considers) a German noble, the force was under his command, and was fighting on behalf of him. The entire force is therefore the "German force". The fact that the French brought some mercenary English bowmen and billmen does not mean they were not part of the "French force". The fact is that Maximilian did indeed bring a fair number (most indications are 100-200) of knights/ nobles from what would now be Austria and Germany. He simply ordered most of them to fight on foot. Titled nobles are not "landsknecht".
@@bronco5334 For the battle I don’t say the opposite. When the french cavalry came back and saw the burgundian infantry victorious on the field they were attacked and routed in their turn by the burgundian cavalry and that was the last engagement of the battle. That’s why I said it ended the battle.
I disagree on the term german. First the Lows Countries were Burgundians and are commonly called, like every other burgundian possession as Burgundians. Then, Maximilian was fighting on behalf of his spouse, Marie, Duchess of Burgundy to protect her lands and inheritance and he did that with an infantry that apart from 3.000 german landsknechts (which I never said were nobles since I counted them in the regular infantry) and 500 english archers (they were with the Burgundians not the french) was only composed of northern burgundians communal levies of Flanders and with a cavalry only composed by knights from Burgundy itself and from the northern possessions of Burgundy. So talking about a "german force" here has no sense. More, Maximilian, as Duke consort of Burgundy fought for the Burgundian States and led the forces of Burgundy to represent his spouse, the Duchess of Burgundy, to put an end in the conflict between France and Burgundy. The right term here is just "burgundian force". More I have never seen a mention of german knights in any source. The 100/200 knights you are talking about are often referenced as his nobles and only said they were dismounted and fought with Maximilian and the infantry, but at the time he is Duke consort of Burgundy (it is under that title he is fighting at Guinegate) and his nobles at the time are burgundians, not germans. There are only mentions of burgundians knights at Guinegate and none of german knights. And it is perfectly logical. Maximilian at the time wants to be a unifying figure in Burgundy to strengthen the rule of Marie over territories that were quite turbulents. That’s also why he indentifies himself with the father and ancestors of Marie, the Dukes of Burgundy, nicknamed Great Dukes of the West, by using the burgundian ducal symbolic. We can even see that on a number of his armors. He wants to show a continuity between the time of the Dukes and the time of their heiress, Marie. So, no it’s not a german force. It’s a burgundian one.
@@hadrienraymond5224 Awful lot of arguing semantics there.
That is all most interesting, thank you.
In reality though, the burgundians outnumbered the french almost 3:1 in this battle
Still didn’t have much heavy cavalry though did they? I mean sure with the right tactics and enough men heavy cavalry will still have a hard time but I mean French knights count for something didn’t they?
certainly, but the show makes it seem like the numbers are way different@@ReformedSooner24
Looking back, Maria's lady in waiting/confidant (I think that was her position)was just so attractive. Not just her looks. She looks wow... But there was something else about her.
The actress who plays Johanna is very pretty
Donde puedo ver esta serie en español? Necesito verla
Desperately looking for a place to watch this series...where did you guys watch iiiittt?
Thank you Lili 🙏
Just stumbled on this, what is the name of the series?
Maximilian
Where do you go to watch this film? I'm searching everywhere!
Starz
@@Alixandriaromanov is it available with the Starz Hulu add on, do you know?
Always like early modern European warfare. Pike and shot steamrolling cavalry
when you win an HRE match in AOE4 with infantry against the French royal knights
I’m a descendant of Martin Schwartz family who fought here. A German mercenary.
Looks like he had a little victory dance at the end of the video. Back then they called that dance "Das Wienerstuffen"
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Wasn't the Dauphin of this time (the future Charles VIII) only 9 years old? How could he have led the army and therefore fled after Maximilian won?
He wasn't. Correct.
I don't get it. What happened to the battle scene?
The French Kings of England had much longer Pikes and Welsh Longbow Men.
*double takes*
You mean the Norman Kings of England? There were no French Kings of England, the closest you got was a Norman and in 1066 when William enforced his legitimate claim to the throne as a direct descendent of Alfred the Great the Normans where still Ethnically and Culturally distinct from the French. They were just French speaking Norwegians.
@@jorgejustin461 only part of the Normans were of Nordic descent, a large part were natives but yes the majority of Norman noblemen were of Nordic descent. As for William he already had more French blood than Nordic blood. Furthermore the Normans brought much more of French culture than Nordic culture to England, so while yes the Normans' culture was different than the one from the royal domain of France and had a few remnants of Nordic ways, ultimately they were much more similar to the central French than Norwegians.
They were barely if at all any more different to the French Royal domain than the southern territories of France were to the French royal domain, no big countries at the time could claim to have the same cultures and laws throughout its territory.
At the end of the day Normandy was part of the French Kingdom and its residents subjects of the French crown no matter their origins and level of autonomy of the Duchy/County, quite a few French dukes and their duchies at one point were more powerful than the French king and his royal domain (just in case you're gonna bring up Normandy being powerful and enjoyed a high level of autonomy).
Simply put Normans of Nordic descent were no less French than people from French speaking Quebec are Canadians and not French; or a 2nd, 3rd etc... generation Chinese immigrant living in a Chinatown in the US an American and not Chinese.
Or you guys can just say the English kings like normal people do rather then be difficult
@@jorgejustin461 with the coronation of Henry the second, son of the Duke of Anjou, the English kings become fully rigged Frenchman.
The French kings choose their knights that would rule Britain
Are there any actual battle scenes or are they all like this? Build up then it's already over? Haven't seen a battle yet. Pretty annoying
Was Johanna at a convent or something? I think I need some context
Well, there is none 😀 Or I don't know. She didn't appear in the series between her saying goodbye to Wolf after the trial (where it was decided she had to go back to her husband) and this moment.
That pike line is too shallow.
It looks really good but unrealistic. For some reason movie makers allways depict the middle ages as a time without colour. While we know from paintings that people wore brightly coloured fabrics and lived in brightly coloured interiors. At least, people who could afford this. Mary and Maximilian certainly could. I suspect this has to do with the cliché of the "dark middle ages". In contrast, series about Roman times or the 18th century are coloured! While daylight was the same in every age.
Where can see this
Actually Maximilan losses were far greater than France's. But he remainded in the field.
Pikes!
Key to the battle.
THEY SKIPPED THE ACTUAL BATTLE. Honestly my one serious gripe about an otherwise stellar show. Not sure why they didn’t show the fighting like it wasn’t important to the story…
Probably of the budget. A big battle scene with many extras is expensive and even a small scale quickly can grow uncomfortably costly. So in order to tell the story, they decided to show that there was a battle and gave the rough outline.
@@Arcaryon I mean nothing in the production looked small budget. The attention to detail in costuming and sets was impressive.
La coiffure de l'archiduc Maximilien "à l'écuelle" est anachronique...
This is better than the white princess
1479 and no ranks of matchlock riflemen? That is not good for anyone in a battlefield where guns of all sizes are pretty much beginning to dominate warfare. 1450, there were already marksmens' guilds in Germany holding long range target matches with rifles. Ottomans and Japanese were almost entirely using firearms.
omfg. all these wannabe military historians these days. watch it and you will see why. These series dont give much about the battle part, it was just symbolic. And of course, battles are expensive (the whole series had a budget of around 10 mio). If you watch these series just because you want to see battles, you are at the wrong place. Its about M + J, the rest is just secondary
@National Socialism Yes indeed. King Jan III Sobieski was the savior of Christendom during these darkest hours. If Vienna had fallen, Kara Mustafa would have split his vast army for two simultaneous invasions. The main Turkish force would head for Rome, while the Crimean Tatars would strike France. But Sobieski's rout of the main Ottoman force at Vienna kept that from happening. And guess the date the battle fell on. September 11, 1683.
@National Socialism Cavalry is extremely effective, especially with the right weapons. The Colt 1911 was initially adopted for use by the Texas Rangers, which was a complete horse based unit until the 1920s when Prohibition violence saw their jurisdiction expanded to the motorways and cities. The revolver and breechloading rifle, both able to be loaded and fired from horseback, enabled western cavalry forces to greatly surpass the mounted archers of the east. Cavalry+projectile weapons = winning combo. Even today.
@@BlueSkyCountry Uh... what? The Colt 1911 was absolutely not "initially adopted for use by the Texas Rangers", it was specifically designed for the US Army in response to a requirement the Army drew up after their experience in the Philippine Insurrection.
The gun that was designed for the Texas Rangers was the 1847 Colt Walker, which is a TOTALLY different beast; a cap-and-ball revolver weighing almost as much as a modern M4 carbine (it's a four and a half pound pistol, designed with the specification that it had to be powerful enough to kill horses in battle).
@@BlueSkyCountry you have no concept of logistics do you?
French Cavalry and pointy sticks never ends well
What’s the title of the series?
Maximilian
I would like to watch this show but what throws me off is the unmatched lip movement of the French actors with spoken German. Why didn’t they just hire German actors to play the French to keep it all one language? It’s a movie, not a documentary.
I know film has limitations, but I think I'd want more than just one rank of pikes there.
3:40 did Johannas' husband die?
Yes
@@Lily1127channel thank you!
Perhaps it should have been obvious, but was the guy they zoomed in on, on the battlefield Johanna’s husband? Would that have allowed her and Wolfgang to marry? (I’m asking about the scandal of their known affair, the fact he was supposed to be dead etc. Would their marriage have been permitted, without them losing their place at court?)
I've seen his wiki, and yes, they married
Pfff...they should have hire an historian. First, Maximilian was having more men. Secondly, his cavalry was routed and it was a costly fight for him. A Pyrrhus Victory that he could not use. Finally, where is the artillery and horses don't charge on Spikes for god sake....
Pregnant with Margaret?
Yes, she was born 5 months after the battle 😊
Why isn’t Maximilian wearing his plate armor suit?
@National Socialism Thank you very much for the reply. So people did not wear plate armor in foot combat? As far as I know, they did. Or Maximilian did not? I have no idea about whether he did or did not, but certainly he could wear brigandine, yeah.
@National Socialism Thank you very much, but as far as I can tell, many people fought in plate armor on foot. Although people with plate armor fought much less on foot compared to mounted fighting, still, it was far from being uncommon.
@National Socialism Thank you very much for the knowledgeable replies. As far as I know, there were plate armors suitable for foot combat and people wearing them fought on foot. Such armor would include cuirass, arm cannons, gauntlets, symmetrical pauldrons, helmet, gorget/bevor, large faulds, small tassets, fully enclused cuisses, and greaves. So, no sabatons, but everything else. Yeah there number were certainly less than people with full plate fighting mounted, but they were in full plate also and fought on foot.
@National Socialism No, it is actually complete coherent suits of plate armor, just optimized for fighting on foot. I knew almost nothing about Maximilian, thank you for the information about him.
@National Socialism Uh sorry I forgot the couters and poleyns of the suit.
A single line of pike against such calvary?
Honestly, it was most likely a budget issue.
They had 10 million which isn’t a lot when you actually run the numbers. For comparison, the excellent „Alatriste“, a great Spanish movie, had a total budget of 24 million Euro ( the most expensive Spanish production to this date). It had a final run time of 145 minutes. Maximilian: The Game of Power and Love ( or Maximilian and Marie De Bourgogne or just Maximilian ) on the other hand ran for 270 minutes in its official releases ( a 3 part TV miniseries ).
Eine Reihe Piken macht gegen schwere Kavallerie nichts, das müssen schon fünf, sechs sein.
The scene is irritating in that it would take little or no effort to show the pikes in a block instead of a line.
Heavy cavalry would ride right over a single line in real life but get slaughtered by a block
This was at 1479 there was no block formation used at this time. The pikes where only to kill the horses, the rider would fall of it and into the Swords behind the Pikes.
@@Kullioking Wow. No. The pike was absolutely used in a block. Actually, more frequently they were used in a "keil", also known as a wedge, and were used not just for standing there defensively, they were used to ATTACK. The pike wedge would charge into an opposing formation. Charles the Bold was killed by Swiss using pikes in large wedge formations at Nancy (you know, the guy shown dead in battle in the first couple minutes of the first episode of this series?). Pike was used offensively, and it was used against infantry. It most certainly was not "just a single rank to defend against cavalry". Maximilian adopted and built on the Swiss way of fighting.
Guinegate was the battle that set the rest of Europe down the road of adopting massed pike block formations as the dominant arm of military forces for the next 70-80 years of warfare. Maximilian's forces in the battle were drawn up into two deep pike blocks, probably at least 15 ranks deep, with the front rank or two comprised of Maximilian's well-armored nobles, whom Maximilian had ordered to fight with the infantry formation (as did Maximilian himself).
Which serie/film is it?
Maximilian
@@anastasiaisabella7354 Thanks.
Borgoña
@@paulagarcia4982 Muchas gracias.🙂
Is it a movie or a serie?? The name, please...
Maximilian
It's a German-Austrian miniseries
@@Lily1127channel Thanks
*I THOUGH ISABEL IS IN THE THUMBNAIL*
Madness. Absolute madness. War is appalling. Why do MEN always want more power? And land equal power and money. And still today……
Oh please, some women want more power too and always have, and some men don't care for it. Some women in history attained it via direct rule, some by influencing powerful men behind the scenes. The desire for power is a human one, not a "male" one, nor is war a "male" thing. It is true that wars were mostly fought by men and that more men in history have ruled than women, but women still backed war and the use of force and today we see women politicians and women in the armed forces.
The centuries old notion that men waged the wars while women were the life bearers, civilizers and nurturers of society who had to be protected by men has rightly - or wrongly - fallen to the wayside. Tell women today that MEN want more power because the desire for power is a male thing, not a female thing, and you'll get an earful - from women.
Still waiting to see the battle...
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Poor horses and those pikes, just awful.
Too much soap opera romance.
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Burn the dead before nightfall.
Not even a battle scene, just 80% romantic drama nonsense.
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This is just the win and the aftermath
watches a series about two people comming together....."where is my battle scene!?!?". You are like these stupid first semester history students who get the profs roll their eyes because all they are interested in are battles and most of their knowledge is from movies and computer games. Grow up already!
Useless battle. Louis XI didn't care about battles because he didn't spend enough money . Proof ? The idiot Maximilian had to cede huge territories to Louis XI in 1482 because.......he was broke ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣