First video in a new miniseries on the channel, "Ghost Events," which looks at...well, lesser-known events from history that may or may not be connected to a ghost country. 😅 Let us know if you have any other events you'd like to see covered! Also, if you have any questions for us (about pretty much anything) comment in the Q&A post on the community tab. We'll be answering your questions and highlighting some top comments in our next podcast.
The battle of Clontarf. Was one of the best opportunities to lead to a centralised Ireland before the Norman invasion. The result of the battle led the the dissolution of the burgeoning centralising force and left the island decentralised and disunited when the Normans arrived(as well as directly setting up their arrival)
Actually in the following Swiss wars the Swiss against Maximillian I from Austria and Marie de Bourgogne..the Holy Roman empire lost power as the Swiss weren't part anymore of HRE, also in Nancy it was the Swiss which being Mountain people attacked over a mountain which the Burgundians thought not being able to pass same as in Grandson and Morat it was the arrrogance and incompetence of Charles the Bold...being surrrounded by a Spider was actually French king Louis XI called l'Arraigné-Spider who also had paid the Swiss to eliminate his cousin...the Spider-LouisXI as dauphin had seen in Basle that a small 1500 Swiss Vanguard of mostly Bernes almost defeated his 40 Armagnac army, thats when the reputation of the Swiss was made since next to each dead Swiss were 4 dead French Armagancs. The 147 Papal Swiss guards during the sack of Rome killed over 900 German Landsknecht so they made their own reputation. As a point after the Swiss had plundered France after the Armgnacs and then Dauphin LouisXI had fled after their Armagnac army victory at Basle, the Swiss also plundered Bavaria-Swabia and Vorarlberg so that Maximillian pleaded the Swiss for peace, so much about the von Habsburgs winning prestige.
There is a saying in German about Charles the Bolds decline. "Bei Grandson das Gut, bei Murten then Mut, bei Nacy das Blut" which roughly translates to "At Grandson (he lost) his belongings, at Murten (he lost) his courage, at Nacy (he lost) his blood".
@@ommsterlitz1805tbf medieval titles are often different from language to language because of how different cultures see figures. Like William the conqueror, Guillaume le Batard
We can question which part took over which. Sure the Habsburg Dynasty took over from male succession but Philip the Fair then Charles V kept being more tied to burgundian lands than to Austria then Spain (notably having french as his mother tongue), and used the Cross of Burgundy as their flag. Only after Charles V split his domain between his son and his brother, did monarchs put burgundian lands as secondary. As Spain (who got the Low Countries) had grown considerably more powerful by taking the Americas.
This is because they had bad borders. They did not have the population and resources to make up for losses like France. They had wealth and commercial ports that controlled products such as cloth, but because they were overwhelmingly defeated, they lost their lands through marriage to the Habsburg's, who started to gain power. Then France recognized the Burgundian lands as its own, and the Burgundian lands became a cause of war between the two countries until the Napoleonic era, when Napoleon came to power and dealt the Habsburg Empire a huge blow, confining them to the Balkans. The Habsburgs became poorer because they lost these ports permanently
Fun fact: not the first time that the name Burgundy is tied to a sever downfall: The original Germanic tribe (then living around the Rhine area) was almost completely wiped out by the Huns. Events captured in the Nibelungen Epic.
Also a fun fact is that the Swiss Confederacy captured so many high-quality cannons from Burgundy that it actually torpedoed any impetus for local artillery production and when time came for that captured artillery to be outdated, in disrepair and need for replacement the Swiss armies were in trouble.
As someone from the Netherlands, the Burgundian times are a chapter in our and European history books often forgotten but very much important, as demonstrated in this video
1:16 County of Flanders did not belong to HRE. It belonged to Crown of France. To HRE belonged: - county of Burgundy (aka Franche-Comte), - county of Hainaut, - duchy of Brabant, - duchy of Luxembourg, - duchy of Holland, - duchy of Guelders.
@@DarthFhenix55 Duchy of Burgundy proper (Dijon and its neighbourhood) was separate, but they both were parts of Burgundian State aka Great Duchy of the West.
Honestly, we don’t know either - still trying to figure TH-cam out; all I can say is that every comment, like, and share, does help with the algorithm showing the video to more people.
On the one hand Burgundy no longer exists as a country and is mainly remember as the part of France that sided with the English in the 100YW, on the other hand Switzerland will be far from the top of the list if you think about military powers. The meteoric rise of the Habsburgs just after also outshine these events, with the burgundian contribution not always acknowledged in popular culture. For example in The Tudors, Charles V is portrayed as a Spanish monarch while he actually spoke french as his mother tongue and felt closer from Burgundy.
@@asterisk6323 Yeah, you know what, we've actually been thinking about doing something like that for a little while. There's a lot that goes into making a video like this (maps, graphics, recording, etc.) and it would be interesting to show that to everyone!
Fantastic video once again. The animations are amazing bro, I’m glad your channel is growing you definitely deserve much more, You upload consistently and you talk about history in great detail.
Thank you so much; still hoping for more interaction on some of our newer videos, honestly, but things are definitely looking pretty good for the channel overall. Also, looking forward to whenever we manage to fit in time for a collab man!
@@GhostCountries That’s great to hear man. Yeah we can collaborate in the near future but right now I’m forcing on my exams and work that’s why I don’t post constantly,however I will be posting a video soon
@@Theunknownpast_official Oh, no problem. Good luck with your exams and stuff! 👍 We're probably going to be setting up a Discord Server soon-ish; so, that'll make communicating about a collaboration or whatever a lot easier.
As always, thank you so much Tina! It really is interesting how the downfall of Burgundy alter the course of European history and the Swiss played a central role in that!
Oh, thanks John; yeah, there’s a lot of forgotten history from all over Europe! So, we’ll definitely be covering other parts of the continent in future videos.
There is something about executing hundreds of men who had surrendered, it often doesn't spread fear it spreads anger and gives fighting men a grim determination to fight on. The Bergundians were the architects of their own demise.
Oh, man 😰; yeah, that mistake is on me. You’re right, it’s Charles VII. Seriously though, thanks for pointing that out. Yeah, it really is really is fun exploring lesser known chapters of history and we’re glad to have a small, but growing number of subscribers that think so too!
Yeah, that mistake is on me. You’re right, it’s Charles VII. Someone else pointed that out as well and I must've forgotten to add a correction in the description. Either way, thanks for pointing that out!
I shouldn’t have commented that. I feel kinda bad ngl. Great video. I heard Charles’ head was cut off and later found in a ditch, according to eu4 anyway
Very interesting! But i thought the territories of Burgundy continued for a bit longer after the battle of Nancy in 1477, or did they not? Will have to do my own research now!
The Burgundian heartland was lost to French but the rest stayed united under mary of burgundy and later her son philips the handsome. These lands became part of the habsburgn lands under charles the fifth. In some scence the burgundian lands still exist although under another name, in being an important first unity for the modern nations of the netherlands and belgium.
Yeah, it has been slow going (mostly), but I'm pretty sure we'll get another video that eventually breaks through the algorithm, like with Sagallo Part I. Maybe the channel will hit 10K by the end of the summer.
@@GhostCountries I can see the amount of work you put into your videos, i especially wanted go know more about Burgundy, as im from the Netherlands it is part of my country's history, but rarely talked about. Have you read Bart van Loo's book about the Burgundians?
I'm sorry it took me this long to watch this video. The best parts were, of course, Peter von HagenbaCHHHHH... and the dinosaurs solving the old "chicken or the egg" dilemma. ;-)
Thank you Artur! Yeah, a little bit of comedy with history...hahaha 😅 Definitely glad you liked the video though, as it’s the first in what we hope will be another miniseries on the channel. We’re also aiming to get more ghost countries out each month going forward!
If you want your country to be continuous then perhaps you should try to connect your territories and swap territories to make it continuous. Also if you have a very fruitful and prosperous region like Flanders you want to consolidate around that and swap territories from near Dijon to other territories more north and create a border between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, just in case they do not have enough trouble with the English and the Turks, to have something that preoccupies them instead of you know, conquering Burgundy.
Hello, Burgundianist here, I would like to open up a discussion about your use of the term 'state' in reference to the Burgundian entity. I for one do not believe that it is apt to refer the the Burgundian Netherlands as a state. Historians such as A Brown, G Small and K Wilson argue that the Burgundian entity is more so an independent principality which bore little resemblance to any contemporary or period notions of a state. There is no evidence either that the Burgundian dukes sought to establish an independent state. Philip the Bold's acquisition of the Burgundian and Flandern territories is entirely an opportunist action. Unlike nation states, Burgundy never held permanent borders, instead having fluctuating borders which ebbed and flowed based on the whims and wishes of Valois courtiers. Furthermore, the Burgundian Netherlands held no unifying cultural identity, and suffered from massive internal segregation and conflict between the four major language groups. Settlements in the dominions also held a dynamic relationship with the Valois court in that they could (and did in the case of Bruges) reject ducal authority. Burgundian state theory also suffers from the fact that a centralised governmental entity never exists during the Valois reign. The ducal court acts as a nomadic administrative entity which travels from estate to estate, the owner's of which would serve the whims of the Valois dukes, reinforcing ducal authority in the process. To add to this, all cities and towns within the Burgundian dominions were autonomous in their system of governance, only paying tithes and taxes to the Valois court when the 'nomadic' court passes through their jurisdiction. This led to a plethora of issues for Ducal rule, primarily that it was incredibly difficult to raise any reliable armed forces, instead being forced to rely on the already loyal landed aristocracy and various jousting guilds and shooting confraternities. So if the Burgundian 'thing' isn't a state, then what is it? wellll historians have argued about this since the ascension of the Valois duchy. some state it's an independent principality, An independent polity, a gathering of sub confraternities, or a Geographical entity based upon empty display, and others refer to it as a collection of dominions and others argue that it wasn't really anything! Sorry to be pedantic, but the use of the term 'state' is an incredibly loaded one within the field of Burgundian studies, and has led to the death of many friendships! lol. besides that, this is a good video. :)
I apologize for taking so long to respond here. Firstly, thanks for commenting and I do mean that 😅; secondly, I understand your point of contention here and just wanted to make clear that we were not advocating it was a “state.” Rather, we simply used the most common terminology (as per Wikipedia, JSTOR, etc.) we came across while doing research. From what I understand, the notion of a "Burgundian State" was coined by Henri Pirenne to describe what he viewed as a sort of precursor to the Belgian State. It was later reused and popularized in the 20th century, but, in every sense of the word, it is a creation of modern historiography. The same can also be said of a few other “states” or “countries” we’ve covered on the channel, where modern labels have been applied - sometimes because of a lack of then contemporary terminology. All that being said, we perhaps should have included a bit of a disclaimer mentioning the controversy over the term “Burgundian State" in the video. So, thanks for letting us know!
My best guess here is they simply didn't see the need for consolidating the area into anything higher than a duchy and it already fell within one of the HRE's constituent kingdoms.
Burgundy had already done a lot of work to centralise the Low Countries, and once in the HRE former burgundian lands were made part of the Circle of Burgundy. But as some cities had proven to be very troublesome, such as Ghent, while being quite rich, maybe they simply opted to milk the cash cow without pushing too hard.
I do enjoy a video in which a bunch of frogs loose there heads… plus thank you for these videos. I’m going to Burgundy on a family holiday, not knowing any of the regions history I wanted to know more before I go. Much appreciated.
Oh, no problem; have a nice holiday in Burgundy and I'm sure we'll be revisiting this chapter of history (or, at least, others like it) in future videos too!
I like History videos... so don't take this to hard, but man, you have to check the pronunciations of common place names like Alsace (Al-SAHSS) and Arras (ARR-ess in English, let's not even try French or Dutch), let alone others - like sometimes you try to use the long A but then inexplicably throw in an "ay" sound in like when you say Alsace. *Go all-in on the English way* or *really learn how to say them.* You attempt some local pronunciations, but then other times it's all English sauce on there. Some mangling of some really odd foreign names is ok (like saying "von" for the German von rather than "fon"), but practice them in advance if you're going to make attempts at local pronunciations. Americans being unable to read the letters in their own alphabet is a tired joke already, it's not endearing. In short, make an editorial decision on how you're going to do it, and then stick to it please.
First video in a new miniseries on the channel, "Ghost Events," which looks at...well, lesser-known events from history that may or may not be connected to a ghost country. 😅 Let us know if you have any other events you'd like to see covered!
Also, if you have any questions for us (about pretty much anything) comment in the Q&A post on the community tab. We'll be answering your questions and highlighting some top comments in our next podcast.
Might be kind of random, but maybe the Storegga Slide?
@@BlueBuckJS Honestly, it would be pretty cool exploring that in relation to Doggerland!
The battle of Clontarf. Was one of the best opportunities to lead to a centralised Ireland before the Norman invasion. The result of the battle led the the dissolution of the burgeoning centralising force and left the island decentralised and disunited when the Normans arrived(as well as directly setting up their arrival)
Actually in the following Swiss wars the Swiss against Maximillian I from Austria and Marie de Bourgogne..the Holy Roman empire lost power as the Swiss weren't part anymore of HRE, also in Nancy it was the Swiss which being Mountain people attacked over a mountain which the Burgundians thought not being able to pass same as in Grandson and Morat it was the arrrogance and incompetence of Charles the Bold...being surrrounded by a Spider was actually French king Louis XI called l'Arraigné-Spider who also had paid the Swiss to eliminate his cousin...the Spider-LouisXI as dauphin had seen in Basle that a small 1500 Swiss Vanguard of mostly Bernes almost defeated his 40 Armagnac army, thats when the reputation of the Swiss was made since next to each dead Swiss were 4 dead French Armagancs. The 147 Papal Swiss guards during the sack of Rome killed over 900 German Landsknecht so they made their own reputation. As a point after the Swiss had plundered France after the Armgnacs and then Dauphin LouisXI had fled after their Armagnac army victory at Basle, the Swiss also plundered Bavaria-Swabia and Vorarlberg so that Maximillian pleaded the Swiss for peace, so much about the von Habsburgs winning prestige.
There is a saying in German about Charles the Bolds decline. "Bei Grandson das Gut, bei Murten then Mut, bei Nacy das Blut" which roughly translates to "At Grandson (he lost) his belongings, at Murten (he lost) his courage, at Nacy (he lost) his blood".
That's an awesome saying, also rolls of the tongue nicely
I never liked the translation Charles the "Bold", Charles le Téméraire means more Charles the Brave and Enduring not just "Bold"
@@ommsterlitz1805Yes in German its Karl der Kühne that can be translated both ways
@@ommsterlitz1805tbf medieval titles are often different from language to language because of how different cultures see figures. Like William the conqueror, Guillaume le Batard
@@caerdroia7530 Guillaume le Conquérant, the second term comes from the english not Français
I'm from Nancy and this battle isn't forgotten here, it's the big historical event that happened locally.
So Burgundy went from a potential European powerhouse to nothing in three battles, a bit sad but also a tad embarrassing
And to a esoteric Nazi dictatorship in pop culture
It was economically very wealthy, but lacked the strategical depth to soak up losses, the way something like France could
The inheritance of the lowlands did make the Habsburgs all the more powerfull
We can question which part took over which. Sure the Habsburg Dynasty took over from male succession but Philip the Fair then Charles V kept being more tied to burgundian lands than to Austria then Spain (notably having french as his mother tongue), and used the Cross of Burgundy as their flag.
Only after Charles V split his domain between his son and his brother, did monarchs put burgundian lands as secondary. As Spain (who got the Low Countries) had grown considerably more powerful by taking the Americas.
This is because they had bad borders. They did not have the population and resources to make up for losses like France. They had wealth and commercial ports that controlled products such as cloth, but because they were overwhelmingly defeated, they lost their lands through marriage to the Habsburg's, who started to gain power. Then France recognized the Burgundian lands as its own, and the Burgundian lands became a cause of war between the two countries until the Napoleonic era, when Napoleon came to power and dealt the Habsburg Empire a huge blow, confining them to the Balkans. The Habsburgs became poorer because they lost these ports permanently
Fun fact: not the first time that the name Burgundy is tied to a sever downfall: The original Germanic tribe (then living around the Rhine area) was almost completely wiped out by the Huns. Events captured in the Nibelungen Epic.
Now that is something I didn't know!
That is not entirety true.
The Burgondes survived the Huns, several times.
They were ultimatly defeated by the Franks.
@@magalicochet4327 Well yeah. hence "almost".
Also a fun fact is that the Swiss Confederacy captured so many high-quality cannons from Burgundy that it actually torpedoed any impetus for local artillery production and when time came for that captured artillery to be outdated, in disrepair and need for replacement the Swiss armies were in trouble.
Burgundy is one of those unknown states which had a huge effect on how the world ended up
As a tno player I laughed out loud at this
Once again very well done. Graphics are great 👍
Oh, thank you so much; glad you liked the video!
the funny gamer state!!!
wow, really entertaining and the battle map is awesome!
Glad you liked it Jiayi; we definitely plan to use maps like that in videos going forward! 🗺️
As someone from the Netherlands, the Burgundian times are a chapter in our and European history books often forgotten but very much important, as demonstrated in this video
Fascinating stuff my man. Hard to believe such a brutal and bloody chapter of European history has become all but forgotten admits the sands of time.
1:16
County of Flanders did not belong to HRE. It belonged to Crown of France.
To HRE belonged:
- county of Burgundy (aka Franche-Comte),
- county of Hainaut,
- duchy of Brabant,
- duchy of Luxembourg,
- duchy of Holland,
- duchy of Guelders.
Weren't Burgundy (where the city of Djons is) and the French-Comte two separate entities back then?
@@DarthFhenix55 Duchy of Burgundy proper (Dijon and its neighbourhood) was separate, but they both were parts of Burgundian State aka Great Duchy of the West.
It's Franche-Comte not French Comte@@DarthFhenix55
A small part of Flanders east of the Escaut was part of the HRE, but most of the county was west of the river
Nice video, but you mainly covered the decline/Charles the bold's life. I'd have liked a bit more on the rise, especially under Philip II.
Why is this so underrated
Honestly, we don’t know either - still trying to figure TH-cam out; all I can say is that every comment, like, and share, does help with the algorithm showing the video to more people.
This channel or this video? Because both are great
@@GhostCountrieswell then I’m going to go nuts with the comments. Forgive me if I get belligerent, I do enjoy your videos.
@@willjones2788 No problem whatsoever man!
On the one hand Burgundy no longer exists as a country and is mainly remember as the part of France that sided with the English in the 100YW, on the other hand Switzerland will be far from the top of the list if you think about military powers.
The meteoric rise of the Habsburgs just after also outshine these events, with the burgundian contribution not always acknowledged in popular culture. For example in The Tudors, Charles V is portrayed as a Spanish monarch while he actually spoke french as his mother tongue and felt closer from Burgundy.
Best Thumbnail I ever saw by far!
Oh, thank you so much 🙌; I was definitely proud of how this one turned out!
@@GhostCountries it would be very cool if you would some kind of tutorial/behind the scenes one day, in this channel or another:)
@@asterisk6323 Yeah, you know what, we've actually been thinking about doing something like that for a little while. There's a lot that goes into making a video like this (maps, graphics, recording, etc.) and it would be interesting to show that to everyone!
@@GhostCountries I would love to make videos at your quality, so please do it:)
Fantastic video once again. The animations are amazing bro, I’m glad your channel is growing you definitely deserve much more, You upload consistently and you talk about history in great detail.
Thank you so much; still hoping for more interaction on some of our newer videos, honestly, but things are definitely looking pretty good for the channel overall.
Also, looking forward to whenever we manage to fit in time for a collab man!
@@GhostCountries That’s great to hear man. Yeah we can collaborate in the near future but right now I’m forcing on my exams and work that’s why I don’t post constantly,however I will be posting a video soon
@@Theunknownpast_official Oh, no problem. Good luck with your exams and stuff! 👍 We're probably going to be setting up a Discord Server soon-ish; so, that'll make communicating about a collaboration or whatever a lot easier.
@@Theunknownpast_official Definitely will check out your newest video once it's out as well!
@@GhostCountries yeah that’s cool I also followed your instagram account. So be free to message me through insta.
1:15 - County of Flanders did not belong to HRE. Counties of Hainaut and Holland and Duchies of Brabant and Luxembourg did.
So intense and interesting I had to watch twice! Can’t imagine the work involved in this episode. Wow 👏
As always, thank you so much Tina! It really is interesting how the downfall of Burgundy alter the course of European history and the Swiss played a central role in that!
Really interesting video and, honestly, I'm glad to see history from another part of Europe that I didn't know much about.
Oh, thanks John; yeah, there’s a lot of forgotten history from all over Europe! So, we’ll definitely be covering other parts of the continent in future videos.
I found Charles The Bold Double Patard hammered coin from 1457 whilst metal detecting in Manchester UK 🇬🇧 yesterday 😮
Amazing!
I never liked the translation Charles the "Bold", Charles le Téméraire means more Charles the Brave and Enduring not just "Bold"
@@ommsterlitz1805 bold and brave are synonyms
@@W47689 It means Brave and Persistant, could you read the comment fully.
@@ommsterlitz1805 I'm saying it doesn't matter since brave ND bold are literally synonyms they mean the same thing
TNO fans are shitting rn
Streng geheim
There is something about executing hundreds of men who had surrendered, it often doesn't spread fear it spreads anger and gives fighting men a grim determination to fight on.
The Bergundians were the architects of their own demise.
1:57, I think it would be Charles the 7th right?
Btw, thanks, nice to see someone voicing for some forgotten episodes of history.
Oh, man 😰; yeah, that mistake is on me. You’re right, it’s Charles VII. Seriously though, thanks for pointing that out.
Yeah, it really is really is fun exploring lesser known chapters of history and we’re glad to have a small, but growing number of subscribers that think so too!
Correction: Charles VI died in 1422, Charles VII was king in 1435
Yeah, that mistake is on me. You’re right, it’s Charles VII. Someone else pointed that out as well and I must've forgotten to add a correction in the description.
Either way, thanks for pointing that out!
By experience in eu4, fighting in the swiss region is a nightmare. Huge terrain bonus for defenders and brutal attrition for large armies.
I shouldn’t have commented that. I feel kinda bad ngl. Great video. I heard Charles’ head was cut off and later found in a ditch, according to eu4 anyway
Very interesting! But i thought the territories of Burgundy continued for a bit longer after the battle of Nancy in 1477, or did they not? Will have to do my own research now!
The Burgundian heartland was lost to French but the rest stayed united under mary of burgundy and later her son philips the handsome. These lands became part of the habsburgn lands under charles the fifth. In some scence the burgundian lands still exist although under another name, in being an important first unity for the modern nations of the netherlands and belgium.
Man, it looks like you invested a lot of time into this episode!
We kind of streamlined our production process, but each episode still is a lot of work! 😅 Glad you think it shows.
Nice job. Just one little thing.
Calvary ✝️
Cavalry 🎠
Fascinating history!!
Thanks Matt!
bei Grandson das Gut, bei Murten den Mut, bei Nancy das Blut.
Pretty much sums it up!
No references to the SS-Orderstate of Burgundy?
There it is. Knew I would find at least one TNO reference
The county of Flanders was a vassal of the french king and not the HRE, Duchy of Brabant and county of Holland on the other hand were
I am really suprised by the amount of subscribers you have beacuse you deserve more
Yeah, it has been slow going (mostly), but I'm pretty sure we'll get another video that eventually breaks through the algorithm, like with Sagallo Part I. Maybe the channel will hit 10K by the end of the summer.
You should have more subscribers, great work!
Oh, thanks man; it can feel like an uphill battle with the algorithm sometimes, but we are slowly getting more subscribers and views!
@@GhostCountries I can see the amount of work you put into your videos, i especially wanted go know more about Burgundy, as im from the Netherlands it is part of my country's history, but rarely talked about. Have you read Bart van Loo's book about the Burgundians?
Note to self: Never attack in winter.
Generally a good rule of thumb! 😅
So fun fact, in Eric Flint's Grantville series there is a German prince trying to rebuild burgundy as his own personal fiefdom.
This lines up with eu4 lore so well
Awesome video, loved the quality of the maps and animations. Thank you! And too bad for the Burgundians xd they bit too much.
Tell me about it! 😅 You should check out some of our more recent videos too; I think our maps and animations improved a lot!
Nowadays Burgundian state is VERY different
streng geheim
What?
I don't understand Burgundian population. Did the entire Burgundy move north to Flanders?
Well, had it not been for Charles failing there probably wouldn’t have been the tale of Maria and Maximilian…
5:40 HAGGINBATCH! :D
Historical error, in 1435 (treaty of Arras) king Charles VI was already dead, since 1422.
Yeah, that mistake is 100% on me! A few other people pointed that out as well and I added a correction in the description.
Well well well, Ghost. It seems Dijon just couldn't cut the mustard... 😁
Oui
Why does this channel have so little subscribers
I'm sorry it took me this long to watch this video.
The best parts were, of course, Peter von HagenbaCHHHHH... and the dinosaurs solving the old "chicken or the egg" dilemma. ;-)
Thank you Artur! Yeah, a little bit of comedy with history...hahaha 😅 Definitely glad you liked the video though, as it’s the first in what we hope will be another miniseries on the channel. We’re also aiming to get more ghost countries out each month going forward!
If you want your country to be continuous then perhaps you should try to connect your territories and swap territories to make it continuous. Also if you have a very fruitful and prosperous region like Flanders you want to consolidate around that and swap territories from near Dijon to other territories more north and create a border between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, just in case they do not have enough trouble with the English and the Turks, to have something that preoccupies them instead of you know, conquering Burgundy.
4:01 💡The way the HRE elected the Emperor sounds alot like the Anglo Saxon Bretwalda….
bruh if you're gonna call it the rise of the Burgundians show the rise..
This battle is not forgotten in Switzerland
Hello, Burgundianist here, I would like to open up a discussion about your use of the term 'state' in reference to the Burgundian entity. I for one do not believe that it is apt to refer the the Burgundian Netherlands as a state. Historians such as A Brown, G Small and K Wilson argue that the Burgundian entity is more so an independent principality which bore little resemblance to any contemporary or period notions of a state. There is no evidence either that the Burgundian dukes sought to establish an independent state. Philip the Bold's acquisition of the Burgundian and Flandern territories is entirely an opportunist action. Unlike nation states, Burgundy never held permanent borders, instead having fluctuating borders which ebbed and flowed based on the whims and wishes of Valois courtiers. Furthermore, the Burgundian Netherlands held no unifying cultural identity, and suffered from massive internal segregation and conflict between the four major language groups. Settlements in the dominions also held a dynamic relationship with the Valois court in that they could (and did in the case of Bruges) reject ducal authority.
Burgundian state theory also suffers from the fact that a centralised governmental entity never exists during the Valois reign. The ducal court acts as a nomadic administrative entity which travels from estate to estate, the owner's of which would serve the whims of the Valois dukes, reinforcing ducal authority in the process. To add to this, all cities and towns within the Burgundian dominions were autonomous in their system of governance, only paying tithes and taxes to the Valois court when the 'nomadic' court passes through their jurisdiction. This led to a plethora of issues for Ducal rule, primarily that it was incredibly difficult to raise any reliable armed forces, instead being forced to rely on the already loyal landed aristocracy and various jousting guilds and shooting confraternities.
So if the Burgundian 'thing' isn't a state, then what is it? wellll historians have argued about this since the ascension of the Valois duchy. some state it's an independent principality, An independent polity, a gathering of sub confraternities, or a Geographical entity based upon empty display, and others refer to it as a collection of dominions and others argue that it wasn't really anything!
Sorry to be pedantic, but the use of the term 'state' is an incredibly loaded one within the field of Burgundian studies, and has led to the death of many friendships! lol. besides that, this is a good video. :)
I apologize for taking so long to respond here.
Firstly, thanks for commenting and I do mean that 😅; secondly, I understand your point of contention here and just wanted to make clear that we were not advocating it was a “state.” Rather, we simply used the most common terminology (as per Wikipedia, JSTOR, etc.) we came across while doing research. From what I understand, the notion of a "Burgundian State" was coined by Henri Pirenne to describe what he viewed as a sort of precursor to the Belgian State. It was later reused and popularized in the 20th century, but, in every sense of the word, it is a creation of modern historiography.
The same can also be said of a few other “states” or “countries” we’ve covered on the channel, where modern labels have been applied - sometimes because of a lack of then contemporary terminology.
All that being said, we perhaps should have included a bit of a disclaimer mentioning the controversy over the term “Burgundian State" in the video. So, thanks for letting us know!
So what you’re saying is burgundy’s status is STRENG GEHIEM
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STRENG GEHIEM
Sigismund wasn't just some Prince, he was legitimate ruler of Tyrol and thus also of the Sundgau
6:40 I must refute for chickens are the descendants of dinosaurs therefore the chicken came first.
Hail the Black Phoenix
There is no hope under the black sun
A single red rose still grows
Finally someone else who says eggs are way older than chickens
You say BuRgUnDiAn State?
there no hope under black sun
Real life isnt TNO
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> (...) the situation was rather complicated and needs further explanation.
Dude, you already told us it was about the HRE, you repeat yourself!
I knew Tno users will come to this video
If only these little stupid jokes could be avoided... It seems Americans feel compelled to do it.
Seethe harder
Yes - and the mispronunciations of personal and place names...
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I wonder why the Habsburgs never melded all of the Netherlands they had into a kingdom or new Archduchy.
My best guess here is they simply didn't see the need for consolidating the area into anything higher than a duchy and it already fell within one of the HRE's constituent kingdoms.
Burgundy had already done a lot of work to centralise the Low Countries, and once in the HRE former burgundian lands were made part of the Circle of Burgundy.
But as some cities had proven to be very troublesome, such as Ghent, while being quite rich, maybe they simply opted to milk the cash cow without pushing too hard.
My oversimplified take is they gave Jean to the Brits so to heck with em.
Bruh video didn’t even need to be 17 minutes. Alls you had to do was say they fought the Swiss. We all know how that goes lol.
At least they still make good wine 🍷
I do enjoy a video in which a bunch of frogs loose there heads… plus thank you for these videos. I’m going to Burgundy on a family holiday, not knowing any of the regions history I wanted to know more before I go. Much appreciated.
Oh, no problem; have a nice holiday in Burgundy and I'm sure we'll be revisiting this chapter of history (or, at least, others like it) in future videos too!
All this to make some mustard smh.
Ohhh it’s a ghost…. 😅
Karma at its finest. You try to put fear in the Swiss people only, to run away from them.
Kids got jokes 😂
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I like History videos... so don't take this to hard, but man, you have to check the pronunciations of common place names like Alsace (Al-SAHSS) and Arras (ARR-ess in English, let's not even try French or Dutch), let alone others - like sometimes you try to use the long A but then inexplicably throw in an "ay" sound in like when you say Alsace. *Go all-in on the English way* or *really learn how to say them.* You attempt some local pronunciations, but then other times it's all English sauce on there. Some mangling of some really odd foreign names is ok (like saying "von" for the German von rather than "fon"), but practice them in advance if you're going to make attempts at local pronunciations. Americans being unable to read the letters in their own alphabet is a tired joke already, it's not endearing. In short, make an editorial decision on how you're going to do it, and then stick to it please.
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