I Knew that would be the outcome in the first fight, Tower sucks when unupgraded. The 2nd battle tho.. Scorpicore's paralyze was extremely useful and decided the outcome of the fight imo..
indeed. I would play Synca so much more often were she not starting with freakin Leadership and Scholar. Which reminds me of the game I just started with Fafner earlier on and which I had to abandon because I got pissed off at the skills I was being offered. Fafner starts with resistance and scholar, and upon leveling up I was constantly being offered eagle eye until I maxed resistance and scholar, at which point I got offered mysticism or ballistics. Screw that! I simply rage quit and started a new game LOL
@@blabla-rg7ky fafner is actually a good choice as starting hero for tower, scholar + haste.....and then hope the tavern spawn a hero that starts with archery secondary skill
@@simontollin2004 not for me, he isn't. As soon as II see scholar / eagle eye / mysticism on my heroes I rage-plug the computer, throw it outta window and then go vomit. HoMM 3 could have been the perfect TBS game had not been for those fun ruining skills. But otherwise it's just the best game only :)
@@blabla-rg7ky mysticism is kinda good for tower but completely useless for other towns, since mages/arch mages lower spell cost, meaning that you can fire low lvl mass spells every time you enter combat and you will never run out off mana, this way you gain a lot of tempo since you don't have to waste movement on returning to/sitting in a town in order to recover your mana
I just tested the exact same 2nd battle shown in this video and it had the EXACT FUKING SAME OUTCOME and i retested it 2 more times and the exact same result again, the manticore paralyzed the naga queen and the titan... wtf..
Isra he can do two pre fights so both sides can use tactic (one side, each game) and then he will set normal fight like above with army set like before (tactic)
So i did simulate this battle against myself (i played for both sides). Unupraged i try 2x and it was easy victory for Dungeon. In the upgraded battle from 5 battles Dungeon win the 1st one where Scorpicore paralized Titans 2x and Nagas 1x and the rest 4 battles Tower win. I try different strategies but none of them worked for Dungeon unless luck was involved with Scorpicores.
yeah, I never understood the debate between tower and dungeon where everyone says black dragons are tough, and immune to magic, and blah blah blah. Sure they are, but blackies alone cant win a fight, and overall tower is better against dungeon, and I don't need to see any proof for that. It simply is beter. Only blackies and minotaurs are strong in Dungeon whereas Tower excels with nagas, titans, and even archmages and golems are strong for their tier. Teleport the golems between the medusae and evil eyes and let them do the work, while you take the blackies down with titans and nagas. And once the dragons are gone minotaurs are next. With them gone, it's game over cause you can't kill the tanky titans and the tanky-nuking nagas before they take your dragons down first
I made some fights where i controled the dungeon, and the victory is easy to achive, and very easy actually. I would do it for tower too, but if dungeon is controled by the ai, tower wins easy.
well, dungeon gets the advantage of 1st strike (because of higher speed of black dragons over titans) + the black dragons are immune to magic and since tower is a magic-oriented town.... I'd say it's pretty normal for dungeon to win most of the time (sadly, as I like tower more :p)
Actually the speed advantage dose not matter that much, cus if the black dragon dives in , he gets pretty fuked. Also, there is no town magic oriented or might oriented ....exept maybe Castle, Stronghold and Fortress. The rest can go either magic or Might. Plus Dungeon benefits plenty from magic too.
You are kinda right.... and also kinda wrong :) ... You're right because indeed there are no magic-oriented towns and dungeon can also benefit from magic as much as tower; and you're kinda wrong because having a top tier creature immune to magic, with 300 HPs which attacks first and hits 2 stack at the same time... well, that IS a BIG advantage, and tower feels this effect aplenty in many games against dungeon, especially since blackies deal extra 50% damage to titans. To be honest, I have never been impressed by fast units (I've always preferred armor + no enemy retaliation), but I'm saying that speed is a huge factor in deciding games because that's what I've seen pros say, so I've adopted their idea cause it seemed good :)
HA! I feel so good that I predicted the results of both battles even before the clip started xD ... Also, dat 100% chance to paralyze of Scorpicores is.... well, it just is :)
Or redo all close fights ~5 times and write the total outcome in the description, show the most representative fight. That way variance would be reduced.
it's not bad unit, but... why hate on tower?? That town is amazing. Way too strong, and beautifully designed too. You really hate the most unhateable things dude (tower and conflux)
No, in fact I don't hate Tower, but that's true that I don't like it that much either. Its theme is rather boring for me... Same with Rampart :( But you are right, I hate Conflux AF.
agbrenv Dungeon AI was super stupid by moving Dragons next to Titans and atacking Nagas. If this was human vs human Dungeon always wins becouse its natural counter to Tower. But you must outwait the slow Tower in round one, something AI never do with faster units. Atacking Nagas in turn 1 and suicide your B. Dragons is retarded. Naga dont represent any danger in round 1.
Every fight, that have procs, should be do like 100 times. Of course, when procs are too lucky, the side with more procs will win. It's always imporatant ratio of wins, I'm sure, tower would win like 60% of battles here, dungeon win only when scorpicores are lucky on paralyze.
It's not just the procs. Ignoring the facts that there is only a 20% chance of paralyzing venom to proc (according to wiki), it wouldn't have made much of a difference if say the arch magi or gremlins took them. The meat of tower comes from the naga queens and titans. Take those two out and tower become complete shit. It was just a combination of the two worst possible scenarios happening simultaneously which made me even bring this up. Had this been a completely one sided fight, I wouldn't have cared either way. The fact that it came so close even with the procs says that this needs redone
I don't agree, rest of tower is shit. Archmagi are pretty decent too, for 4th level creature. And Iron golems are also good, when they don't need to chase someone. Gargyoles are weak, but their number 2200, just completes it. Weak are only alchemists and genies. But genies are good too, when they are fast enough to buff titans. Actually, when you don't have complete army, but only for example 4 units stacks, just fill 3 remaining hexes with 1 master genie. And in combat, just use them to buff 12 times. These 3 genies, will raise your army power like by 30%, depending in buffs. It's not weak unit, just have weak stat, but it's special is too good. Archmagi also reducing cost of spells, which is not bad at the beginning, when mana pool is precious. They have hidden attributes.
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One of the worst level 6 units and yet it turned into the best one.....wow unexpected second fight....
luck is a wonderful thing... when it shines upon you rather than the enemy (brrr)
I Knew that would be the outcome in the first fight, Tower sucks when unupgraded.
The 2nd battle tho.. Scorpicore's paralyze was extremely useful and decided the outcome of the fight imo..
Dude, Scorpicore definitely MVP!
indeed. I would play Synca so much more often were she not starting with freakin Leadership and Scholar. Which reminds me of the game I just started with Fafner earlier on and which I had to abandon because I got pissed off at the skills I was being offered. Fafner starts with resistance and scholar, and upon leveling up I was constantly being offered eagle eye until I maxed resistance and scholar, at which point I got offered mysticism or ballistics. Screw that! I simply rage quit and started a new game LOL
@@blabla-rg7ky fafner is actually a good choice as starting hero for tower, scholar + haste.....and then hope the tavern spawn a hero that starts with archery secondary skill
@@simontollin2004 not for me, he isn't. As soon as II see scholar / eagle eye / mysticism on my heroes I rage-plug the computer, throw it outta window and then go vomit. HoMM 3 could have been the perfect TBS game had not been for those fun ruining skills. But otherwise it's just the best game only :)
@@blabla-rg7ky mysticism is kinda good for tower but completely useless for other towns, since mages/arch mages lower spell cost, meaning that you can fire low lvl mass spells every time you enter combat and you will never run out off mana, this way you gain a lot of tempo since you don't have to waste movement on returning to/sitting in a town in order to recover your mana
If it wasn't for the 3 paralize Titans would have carried the game
it caused them to be ignored, so they were strong in the last rounds, however, he should have used the dragons hatred for an effective first strike.
yeah, that paralyze won the game... 3 times cast on nagas and titans = game over
I just tested the exact same 2nd battle shown in this video and it had the EXACT FUKING SAME OUTCOME and i retested it 2 more times and the exact same result again, the manticore paralyzed the naga queen and the titan... wtf..
hehe scorpicores hate tower with passion :)
Should run in several times, scorpicor had some dumb luck
@2:31 How did the harpy hags attack and not have to fly back?
I have no idea, I haven't seen that before. ( I didn't notice it before you mentioned, and I have never experienced this in gameplay ) good catch tho
I am confused by this as well xD
In HOTA you can turn the strike and return ability off. For example if you wanna block shooters like in the video.
It kinda ruins the flavor of the unit xD Can you change it during a battle, that would be the pretty good?
vlada995 Yes you can.
i am a salty tower fanboy :(
unexpected adv. fight. I was sure, that fking titans would win
Paralyzing naga and titan at the begin was win for the dungeon
For me u should add tactic so computer would set on his own
supremekai that would be awesome
That would be cool but the game doesn't allow that. If both have for example basic tactics, they negate each other and they can't place their units
Isra he can do two pre fights so both sides can use tactic (one side, each game) and then he will set normal fight like above with army set like before (tactic)
Enable spells and lets see who wins then
So i did simulate this battle against myself (i played for both sides). Unupraged i try 2x and it was easy victory for Dungeon. In the upgraded battle from 5 battles Dungeon win the 1st one where Scorpicore paralized Titans 2x and Nagas 1x and the rest 4 battles Tower win. I try different strategies but none of them worked for Dungeon unless luck was involved with Scorpicores.
yeah, I never understood the debate between tower and dungeon where everyone says black dragons are tough, and immune to magic, and blah blah blah. Sure they are, but blackies alone cant win a fight, and overall tower is better against dungeon, and I don't need to see any proof for that. It simply is beter. Only blackies and minotaurs are strong in Dungeon whereas Tower excels with nagas, titans, and even archmages and golems are strong for their tier. Teleport the golems between the medusae and evil eyes and let them do the work, while you take the blackies down with titans and nagas. And once the dragons are gone minotaurs are next. With them gone, it's game over cause you can't kill the tanky titans and the tanky-nuking nagas before they take your dragons down first
I made some fights where i controled the dungeon, and the victory is easy to achive, and very easy actually.
I would do it for tower too, but if dungeon is controled by the ai, tower wins easy.
well, dungeon gets the advantage of 1st strike (because of higher speed of black dragons over titans) + the black dragons are immune to magic and since tower is a magic-oriented town.... I'd say it's pretty normal for dungeon to win most of the time (sadly, as I like tower more :p)
Actually the speed advantage dose not matter that much, cus if the black dragon dives in , he gets pretty fuked. Also, there is no town magic oriented or might oriented ....exept maybe Castle, Stronghold and Fortress. The rest can go either magic or Might. Plus Dungeon benefits plenty from magic too.
You are kinda right.... and also kinda wrong :) ... You're right because indeed there are no magic-oriented towns and dungeon can also benefit from magic as much as tower; and you're kinda wrong because having a top tier creature immune to magic, with 300 HPs which attacks first and hits 2 stack at the same time... well, that IS a BIG advantage, and tower feels this effect aplenty in many games against dungeon, especially since blackies deal extra 50% damage to titans. To be honest, I have never been impressed by fast units (I've always preferred armor + no enemy retaliation), but I'm saying that speed is a huge factor in deciding games because that's what I've seen pros say, so I've adopted their idea cause it seemed good :)
The ai acting so dumb it sometimes makes me wanna scream
beholders always do the game xD
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Weird how Black dragons didn't attack titans in first round for bonus 50% damage
Or the middle, where they could hit 2 units. Attacking nagas was just a weird move.
AI very often focuses creatures that have the no retaliation ability
XXEDGEXXtm Only titans hate dragons. It's not like the angels and devils that hate each other.
Heroes wikia says it actually is like that
@@moelester4853 and efreti&genius hahah, but not every dragon, just blackj dragon
HA! I feel so good that I predicted the results of both battles even before the clip started xD ... Also, dat 100% chance to paralyze of Scorpicores is.... well, it just is :)
Dungeon won and face it. As always good game and nice video
2x paralyze on titans 1x on nagas XD its not fair . and tower got 1 luck buff on titans , requisting rematch on upg version :)
Or redo all close fights ~5 times and write the total outcome in the description, show the most representative fight. That way variance would be reduced.
The ability is part of the game , it turn on dungeon side ,
Owned, eath shit, Tower.
Is there anyone else still thinking that the Scorpicore is a bad unit?
it's not bad unit, but... why hate on tower?? That town is amazing. Way too strong, and beautifully designed too. You really hate the most unhateable things dude (tower and conflux)
No, in fact I don't hate Tower, but that's true that I don't like it that much either. Its theme is rather boring for me... Same with Rampart :(
But you are right, I hate Conflux AF.
i know.... well, to each their own I guess :)
lol, can't watch this, might as well remove titans altogether if you dont use them properly :d
Do necro
Dungeon are the best.)
Attack on Titans
Many salty tower fanboys down here.
pretty sure Tower would have won if not for paralisation working 3 times for the Scorpicores
agbrenv Dungeon AI was super stupid by moving Dragons next to Titans and atacking Nagas. If this was human vs human Dungeon always wins becouse its natural counter to Tower. But you must outwait the slow Tower in round one, something AI never do with faster units. Atacking Nagas in turn 1 and suicide your B. Dragons is retarded. Naga dont represent any danger in round 1.
not saying Tower will win in general, Dungeon is better, just saying that in this particular battle Tower had the chance to win
Dude the second fight needs to be redone. That perma paralyze was just not representative of what should ever happen
Every fight, that have procs, should be do like 100 times. Of course, when procs are too lucky, the side with more procs will win. It's always imporatant ratio of wins, I'm sure, tower would win like 60% of battles here, dungeon win only when scorpicores are lucky on paralyze.
It's not just the procs. Ignoring the facts that there is only a 20% chance of paralyzing venom to proc (according to wiki), it wouldn't have made much of a difference if say the arch magi or gremlins took them. The meat of tower comes from the naga queens and titans. Take those two out and tower become complete shit. It was just a combination of the two worst possible scenarios happening simultaneously which made me even bring this up. Had this been a completely one sided fight, I wouldn't have cared either way. The fact that it came so close even with the procs says that this needs redone
I don't agree, rest of tower is shit. Archmagi are pretty decent too, for 4th level creature. And Iron golems are also good, when they don't need to chase someone. Gargyoles are weak, but their number 2200, just completes it. Weak are only alchemists and genies. But genies are good too, when they are fast enough to buff titans. Actually, when you don't have complete army, but only for example 4 units stacks, just fill 3 remaining hexes with 1 master genie. And in combat, just use them to buff 12 times. These 3 genies, will raise your army power like by 30%, depending in buffs. It's not weak unit, just have weak stat, but it's special is too good. Archmagi also reducing cost of spells, which is not bad at the beginning, when mana pool is precious. They have hidden attributes.
Full of bugs.
Vip
Paralyze... haha.