Mate... the fact is Ed’s alive and made full recovery, so you must have done some thing right...? Surely that shows you knew what you were doing 👍 great job, nice follow up video, and great job by mountain rescue. Keyboard warriors are always gonna chirp up... I challenge anyone to stay calm and collected and check all the boxes in those extreme conditions
Cheers James! Yeah, it was great to hear from Ed that nearly all his broken bones are fully healed up now. I couldn't believe it when I saw the xrays of his femur. Before that I'd thought it was just a fracture!
Been a first aider for over 40 years. You did just fine, if I had raised you or taught you I’d be so proud right now. I’d love to have you around next time **** hits the fan 👏 well done
You should collab with GeoWizard! He's done 2 attempts at walking through Wales in a straight line, and he's travelled all through Europe hitchhiking. His next mission is a straight line through Norway! Your content and sense of humour is very similar and I think you would do brilliant together
Yeah, a few people have said I should team up with GeoWizard! But I don't think that he needs to collaborate with anyone. He's mastered his niche, got a friend to go with him and is doing just fine :P
I should be shocked that people complained about how you handled it, but this is the internet. As a paramedic for almost 10 years who's also had personal emergencies (one of which was during a hike, even), I say you absolutely killed it. Shit is fucking stressful in real life, especially when you're far from help in a situation with few resources and in shit conditions. You kept a level head (at least externally), delegated tasks well, had good priorities (temperature management, stability, maintaining mental status), and improvised great with what you had. I'd feel great about having you as a hiking buddy. 💛
Thanks Bob, that means a lot coming from a professional :) And I wasn't shocked that some people were angry with the video. If anything I was surprised how relatively few there were! I could post a clip of me rescuing puppies from a fire and there would still be people pissed off that I didn't do it how they would have done it :P
Alright Dave I'm Ben that you met on the mountain, it was a pleasure to have a chat with you, cheers. Glad to report none of us slipped down the North Ridge!
Now then, Ben! I was wondering when you might comment on here :) Glad you all made it down okay. The north ridge isn't long but it's certainly a bit tricky in places compared to the main ridge!
"Not even a breeze" followed immediately by wind noise. Haha. But really you saved Ed's life. Shock and exposure are serious killers together. You handled it really well, especially considering the situation. My first-responder friends think you guys did a great job, but of course the internet "experts" will have their say. The video also opened my eyes to the dangers of even the more simple type of mountaineering. I do similar types of little expeditions in the mountains of Sweden and Norway (not very technical or dangerous routes), but seeing how dangerous wet grass can be has definitely made me more aware of my steps.
Thanks Poluki! Yes, I've passed the slope quite a few times since the accident but I was always leading people at the time so I wasn't able to go up and check it out properly until recently. It will forever now be known as "Ed's Slope" :)
Dave, first aid and helpers including mountain rescue ultimately saved Ed's life. Brings back memories of an accident on Ben Lui (snow and ice). A friend of mine slipped and fell approx 150 feet, she was unconscious. Leader placed her in the recovery position. He and another woman descended the mountain to get help. I along with two men remained with injured woman, five hours later we saw line of dots of light moving - mountain rescue team arrived at location. In total 26 mrt personnel attended. Woman was stretchered down and MRT team leader assigned team member to personally take us down off the mountain. Woman made a good recovery. [1999}
I think you do an excellent job on that intense day Dave. You took control of the incident, looked out for your mate and gave him clear instructions. No.1, you kept yourself and the guys with you safe. No.2, you knew where you were and got a timely call out to mountain rescue. No.3, you quickly assessed the severity of the casualty’s injuries and quite rightly refrained from moving him any more than was necessary to keep him warm. No.4, you did a good job getting insulation around him. No.5 you left 2 with the casualty while you went to find more people to help that may have been on a popular track which you knew was close by. No.6 I think you brought back some pain killer tablets to the casualty. No.7 you used your whistle in the windy/noisy conditions to help MR team find you. No.8, you gave MR team an accurate brief of what happened and mechanism of injury. That is an absolutely tremendous achievement under extreme pressure and stress in horrific weather conditions. Well done Dave. Realistically, I think the only other thing you could have done was maybe assess the facial/head bleeding and possibly dressed this. Splinting the smashed up femur was certainly not an option for you. I think your actions saved his life Dave. They bought significant time to allow MRT to deal with a casualty still alive on their arrival. P.s I am a volunteer member of a Search & Rescue team. I think you should consider joining your local Search & Rescue team. You would be a great asset to the team.👍👍👍
Thanks for your comment, Trevor! I agree, I could have dressed his head. I remember the reason I didn't was because it seemed to have stopped bleeding by that point and i didn't want to do anything unnecessarywith Eddie, though a dressing would have ensured it stayed clean and closed. You'll be pleased to know that since this video I have joined the Fire and Rescue Service so I'm now a fair bit more trained and confident when it comes to trauma care :)
Brilliant follow up Dave. I’ve shared the original video with basically anyone I know who goes outside (!!), the most insightful thing I’ve ever seen on the consequences of a fall and staying safe.
Well done Brave Dave, I think you did the best that most anyone could have given the situation and the equipment you had with you. Big respect on owning up to not remembering where the safety blanket was.
Seeing how badly injured he got was horrible. But seeing the recovery he has made is impressive. You without a doubt played a big part in saving this guy. Well done! And good job promoting donations for mountain rescue teams too.
Did a cracking job Dave. From a mountain leader to another.... people are clearly missing the fact why you decided to go down that route in the first place. You ended up with 1 casualty, instead of a possible 4....and you saved a life. Well done lad 👍🌄
Good Work Dave and everyone involved! You definitely saved his life. And by posting the video you have probably saved quite a few more peoples lives. Great job 👍
I'm new to your channel today & having watched the first clip, it led me to this follow up. I have to say I think you did a fantastic job from the get go. You took control of the situation, acted swiftly whilst being mindful of your own & others safety. Ultimately you did what was required in incredidibly difficult terrain & weather conditions. Not only did you do it but you did it extremely well. Justifying your actions isn't necessary, you kept Ed alive & got him the help that was needed. Without you, this story could have had a truly tragic ending. Best wishes to Ed.
Late to the party but great job to you all up there. That was one hell of a fall and you guys kept cool undoubtedly saving Ed's life. It was emotional to watch. I can't even imagine the kind of force needed to rip the boots from your feet, insane! I honestly think wet grass on any kind of gradient is one of the most dangerous terrains to traverse. With snow and ice the risk is visible so you're more alert and make moves accordingly. Wet grass doesn't seem like an immediate risk, and I'd bet a lot of people wouldn't treat it as carefully as they would snow or ice.
Just found your channel last night stayed up till 3am watching your Canada Trainhopping videos which were great. Today I watched the video about Ed and this, if you had not been there and kept a level head I dont think Ed would be with us today. You are very humble but you saved a life that day.
Just watched the actual video, very emotional, in all of the sheer chaos and panic you remained calm and took great leadership. A true hero if I do say so myself. Much more calm and collected than I would be. I'm glad he is alive and all of you guys are too.
Thanks Soarific. It's crazy that the accident was already a year ago (March 7th)! Ed told me he's almost back to normal except that his leg is a fair bit weaker than the other (which is understandable) :)
Your original video of the accident and rescue is remarkable. British mountains always seem so friendly, with their soft, grassy slopes, and this shows how serious they can be, and how quickly a day's scrambling can become a deadly situation. You did so well to keep everything together until Mountain Rescue arrived.
I had to bail out on Crib goch down that same slope its not an easy one, watching your video brings home how quickly and wasily a great day out can turn bad. You did a bang up job helping Ed IMO. Love your videos keep it up.
Yeah man, it's certainly not a straightforward slope! But it's better than continuing towards Garnedd Ugain if there's a hurricane blowing up there with zero views :P (Well, it's better as long as no one falls down and breaks 7 bones).
Weird, I watched this yesterday and yet its only just gone up!!! I was thinking while I was watching it, Imagine being in a world or country where there wasn't any mountain rescue? what on earth would you have been able to do for the guy then? Those guys are amazing. well done you, I've done first aid courses but I agree that in the heat of the moment you can only do what comes into your head at the time.
Yeah, sorry, I uploaded it yesterday but then noticed a load of typos and errors, so I took it down and fixed it up before it had had many views :P And yes, without MR then Eddy wouldn't have had a chance. We couldn't move him and he only had a limited amount of time before the cold finished him off. Scary stuff!
I’ve just watched the incident video and I’m really glad he’s in a position to make a good/full recovery. Kudos to you all, and you’re absolutely right. You can have the knowledge (first aid) but to put that into practice in such a severe situation, after sliding down yourself, in bad weather is a big ask. This has been such a huge lesson for me!! I’ve been up in the mountains numerous times, in all weathers without needing so much as a plaster but, I’m now going to upgrade my kit to include a shelter, larger first aid kit etc. Sharing this experience is what we all need, to realise how easy it can happen and how bad it can quickly get! Thank you 👍🏼
Can’t believe I forgot, mountain rescue!! We all know they’re heroes, and none of us want to meet them but my god, imagine what would’ve happened if they didn’t exist!!
Brave Dave responding to iffy comments on TH-cam is legendary! You now have a walking video to match the intensity and excitement of your fright hopping escape from the bull!! Nice one and good to hear the debriefing and news Ed is going to eventually be ok👍🍺😎
Thanks, Snowy! And yeah, I'm quite well versed with replying to odd bods and dickheads on here. 15+ years of having a TH-cam channel will give a guy plenty of experience at that :P
I hope Ed recovered well. Keep educating people with this real-life example of what can happen in a split second, and how not being prepared can cost you your life. Much respect to mountain rescue teams. Me and my brother both owe such unsung heroes our lives.
Just stumbled on to both videos this evening. Fanny around watching RNLI and this came up. Soo interesting, in what happened, what you did in way of responses. Valuable real life training. Glad all well. Glad you carried all that stuff, i wouldn't have.
Watched both videos, and while I think you shouldn't have been anywhere near Crib Goch in weather like that (not specifically you, but people in general), you almost certainly saved Ed's life and a day where everyone lives is a good day. Great work in a terrible conditions.
I cannot believe he survived that fall. That's got to be one in a million. It was also a surprise that it wasn't the nightmare ridge that caused it, it was innocent looking grass
I've only recently stumbled across this follow up video. I seriously cannot believe that people would actually sit down in the comfort of their home and complain at anything you did that day. What is wrong with people? If you've got nothing good to contribute then don't. If it wasn't for you, Ed would certainly not be here today. You should be extremely proud of what you did that day. You all should. Ed will be forever grateful to you all for your actions on that day. I also felt it was great that you shared that video. It really does highlight the dangers and how quickly things can change and escalate in the mountains. Stay safe.
You absolutely deserve to pat yourself on the back about how you reacted in a stressful situation. I hope you and Ed can have a pint about it when he is better. The only thing that scared me was when you and your friend momentarily lost your footing, then got very lucky with your own slips. Really glad you bought that up in this one. It's safer to take 3-5 seconds to make a concious plan rather than just react and join the victim. Thank you so much for sharing this experience with us, both the video but also your thoughts too. Intense is certainly the word.
Thanks, Mehashi! Yeah, it's easy to become a secondary casualty when someone else has an accident. Fortunately our slips weren't severe. Ed just happened to slip in exactly the wrong place!
Respect to the mountains and respect to yourself and the rest of the group for your actions in what must have been a terrifying few hours. Well done, you clearly know what you are doing and would hope there is a 'Brave Dave' nearby should I ever be in a similar situation.
Considering the situation I think you all did an excellent job. The fact that everyone came off the mountain and lived to tell the tale speaks volumes. Well done, all concerned.🤕🖒😊
Thanks for the video. I'm going on a FRA two-day outdoor First Aid course and watching the video is required pre-course viewing - so they must think you did a lot right. I am also going to share the video and this follow up with my social media network. All the best
Brave Dave, this whole story line was nerve wrecking to say the least. I'm glad it turned out ok for the gentleman who slid down, that awfully jagged & rough terrain. A job well done to all parties involved. So lastly, I wanna also add, nothing but mad respect for you & ur train hopping videos. I always enjoy your content, and your narration on the vids are amazing. Its definitely one of the reasons you're one of my favorite youtube creators! Keep it up homie. Enjoy and stay safe! Bravo mate!
I know very little about mountaineering tbh with you but I’ve got a say what an amazing video really enjoyed watching it and great to see a positive outcome in the end 👍😎
You did fantastically well on the day Dave in those circumstances, and you are answerable to no-one. Well done to you and the other members of the team who were present, you all saved Eddys life. Thanks also to Llanberis mountain rescue, heroes all of you.
Thanks Angmar :) Coincidentally today is exactly one year since the incident! I just spoke to Ed and he says he's pretty much fully recovered except that his leg is still quite weak (understandable after barely being used for a year).
Almost exactly the same thing happened with me and a friend. Only we faced a sheer drop off a cliff edge. He came hurtling down a wet grass bank and as he was passing me we grabbed each other and slid for what was only a few feet but felt like a hundred. I dug my heels in as we slid, it was the tiniest little stone sticking out of the ground that saved both of us from certain death. I reckon wet grass is one of the most underrated dangers in the mountains.
Ed is alive, you and the others should be proud. In the heat of the moment and in awful conditions you all acted. People sitting in their comfy chairs with a brew picking holes in the detail of those actions should take a minute to process the pressure of stepping up to the realisation that you are now responsible for saving someone's life. Should I ever have the misfortune to have an 'off' up there i can only hope its in the company of someone like you guys and not a keyboard warrior. Great job you lads and of course, the incredible dedication and efforts of Llanberis mountain rescue volunteers.
Excellent performance keeping the casualty, and the team, alive and focused on the planned result - get the casualty off the mountain alive, without further injury. Job done.
Can't believe some would question your response after watching what you guys did that clearly went a long way to save Eds life.... Should be very proud of yourselves 👍
Dave, I watched the original video with Ed’s slip/fall and coming from a military and now Police background and having unfortunately dealt with some fairly horrid accidents I would just like to say what a great job you did on the day. You took charge of the situation but remained calm when others would have flapped and with no doubt eddy is still alive today purely thanks to your efforts. Can’t believe any one could criticise your efforts on the day, first aid is simple that trying to do the best you can with what you have at hand. Just this last week I have guided a group of six along crib goch who got into difficulties trying to find the route before even getting on the ridge and they wanted to leave the ridge at the same point as you guys had your incident. I steered them away from this idea as it’s safer to carry on along the ridge the majority of the time. Keep up the good work and definitely don’t beat your self up over this and give your self a pat on the back for a job well done in looking after eddy.
Thanks AV! Hah, yes, I think all of us who do Crib Goch regularly have passed groups of people who were clearly out their depth up there and had to help them out or give them advice on where to go or where not to go. I've found people at the Crib Goch pinnacles just standing there in the mist trying to work out how to cross them because it's their first time up there and they just presumed it would be a straight line the whole way along, or there would be other people to follow. I'm glad you told that group to avoid the slope! :)
you did an excellent job Dave ! I dont know what would have happened to poor Ed if it wasn't for you. I learned a lot from your video it really is unique to see an accident happen in front of you thank you for documenting the event. I think you did an amazing job not moving Ed and getting him warm while mountain rescue arrived.
I think you've opened my eyes go get myself on a course of some sort. As a mountain biker and general wilderness lover it's bound go come in handy at some point in my life.
Thanks Tom! Yes, it's very different. The problem is that in order to get real world experience at this stuff you have to be present at real world accidents. And then you have to face the possibility of real world consequences which is a bit more daunting than role playing in a car park :P
Thank You for sharing all this.. For steep slopes I always bring Poles and an Alpine Stick or Ice Axe and I still find descending very difficult... Very hard on the legs...
Wow - thats crazy. Well done for your reactions and being such a big part of his survival. I watched the video and that was a critical situation and you dealt with it very well.
First time I’ve seen the accident video & this follow up. Bottom line, you guys saved Ed’s life that day….many wouldn’t have even ventured as far down as you did looking for him. Was it perfect, nope, I think you moved him slightly too much given the risk of neck injury….however, that for me is the only thing that could have been better…..That you found him and insulated him almost certainly saved his life. I thought you showed calm effective leadership and can be very proud of how you held up in a high pressure situation. I’m used to mountains on my own so know how intimidating and nervous the conditions can make you. I hope I’m never unfortunate enough to have to help a seriously injured person on the mountains but if it ever did happen I’d be happy if I performed like you did that day. Well done 👍🏻
Fascinating to watch. I along with 16 other novice climbers completed the 3 peaks challenge in the early hours of Wednesday morning in the dark and rain. Hours behind schedule and with no sleep we started on the minors track and somehow got lost. Scary experience but got to the summit eventually. We came back the nice tourists route but eventually got off the mountain at 3am. I would love to do this again and maybe raise money for mountain rescue . What an incredible job they do. Great Videos Dave, keep it up.
You did a REALLY good job and let those that say otherwise stay in the limbo, Dave. Internet has let way too many brainlets expose their voices in the same space as wiser ones. Have I told you that the Intense Day on Crib Goch makes my stomach churn? If not, well it does. I'm still equal parts amazed and elated that he was alive, conscious, breathing and not concussed after that sled-less toboggan session. Those rocks and shit look mean enough to do way more than shatter a big man's femur in four or five bits and shards. And no doubt that wood post would've been pure death, Ed should thank his guardian angel for not slipping like 5 meters further ahead on the ridge. The fog did an excellent job of hiding how short the overall distances were, everything felt way way bigger. I thought you were jogging like a full kilometer between the Pyg and Ed's spot. Glad it wasn't! Shaun the Sheep's lesson still applies, and I'm never underestimating mountain grass, whether wet or dry. Very smart to keep those spikes on 👍 Now, I have one question for you: freight surfing is obviously out, so why not try in the future a more law-abiding adventure abroad? For example, France and Italy have some good mountains to hike and scramble on ;^)
I'd be up for doing stuff abroad! Unfortunately the world isn't the best place for doing anything right now. When/if covid ever pisses off and people are allowed to travel again then it'll be the shambolic shit show that is Brexit which is completely ruining everything instead. Yaaay! Sure is great to live in Little Britain these days :P
Whether you all should be walking up in the mountains in the first place is another question, but it's clear you helped save his life on the day, so well done for that. Personally I wouldn't go near high mountains in poor weather, but then I'm not an experienced walker. Tbh, I wouldn't walk over crib goch in good weather at my age, but that's also another story.
You don't have to explain yourself to all the keyboard knobs out there. You helped save a blokes life. Kudos for going back and finding the shoe. I lost a glove up there last year keep your eye out will you next time.
A guy I was recently leading on Crib Goch lost a glove over the side as well. If I can find yours and his then I'll have myself a new pair!! (Even if they're both for the same hand, I'll make it work somehow).
Speedy recovery to Brave Eddy, both lucky to be alive and hideously unlucky to be mangled up like that in the first place. Still not as unlucky as a certain Brave Someone who's effectivly banned from an entire continent when his audience is hungry for more choo choo train related shenanigans. Oh yes, Dave, you may not be a qualified paramedic but you successfully upheld the Prime Directive by not making Ed's condition any worse. Job well done.
Hindsight it always 20/20, as is watching a video. It's easy to sit here now and second guess. Nobody is perfect and everyone makes mistakes, all you can do is try your best. All things considered i think you did a pretty damn fine job.
When my mate took a bad fall while climbing I was surprised how much of previous first aid courses kicked in. He was in bad way but dont think quite as bad Ed though, no blood and it warm summer afternoon, but did have punctured lung. He landed in awkward position making it hard from him to breathe so had to make a decision to move him to more comfortable position which made a huge difference. Also fb ect comment on the Glossop mountain rescue got some random chap from Canada criticising him for free climbing which he certainly wasn't his gear just pulled when he fell. Also foresight is wonderful thing especially in heat of the moment
I was a mountain guide and never had to deal with anything more serious than a twisted ankles, bee stings or heat exhaustion. What you did that day saved Ed’s life without doubt
There's no doubt in my mind and I suspect Ed's mind, YOU saved his life. He may well have not made it until the Mountain Rescue guys arrived had you not acted as you did. Give yourself a bloody big pat on the back!!!
I said it at the time and I'll say it now... you did remarkably well under those conditions some people just panic and they don't know what to do, they freeze up instead. granted you can tell from watching your other adventure videos how you respond in tense situations. Although, you almost did do yourself in slipping down the slope in that initial rush to find him. I think the best way is to volunteer locally yourself. I don't know how it works over there in the UK, but here in the US, you can volunteer, and they train you. that way you also get practical experience in addition to the training. possibly you could volunteer for the Mountain Rescue since you're obviously there all the time and you know the mountains.
I was skiing once and took a tumble so hard my boots, pants and jacket got ripped off. I can relate to the kind of fall it takes end up naked at the end, I got lucky and had lots of soft snow and a ski patrol not 1 minute away. Good Job though, really like this follow up video
Dave, I think you did brilliantly, way better than I or most of your armchair critics would have done. Well done, and thanks for the update. BTW, whilst Ed's initial slip will have been due to his shoes losing grip, the reason he kept sliding was because he was wrapped in slippery waterproofs, and because grass, even dry grass, can be very slippery. Unavoidable, but worth being aware of. As a kid in Summer we used to slide in cardboard boxes down a nearby grass slope. Great fun!
Revisiting the slope was interesting but I didn't do it for closure or something like that. Haha. To be honest my video footage was more than enough "therapy". Watching it over and over again whilst editing it let my brain completely process everything. Also the fact that I know Eddy is alive and well helps a lot too :P
Under the circumstances and keeping in mind, it wasn’t really your gig, it was another team, you did well and moreover, your immediate action, insulating the casualty was correct. You could see he was making noise and that was a good sign, but one things for sure, had you not been there, it could have ended a little differently. You should be taking a bow, not justifying what you did/didn’t do, you saved a young mans life and that’s what counts. You have learnt from your lessons and that’s part of the hills and you’ll keep learning regardless. Finally, the best plans in the world go to rat crap and it’s how you over come and adapt, you did and well. Hopefully, others can also learn from this video. Keep safe.
A lot of people can talk a lot of shit and no-matter what they know, if they're facing their first time then they'll make less than perfect decisions too. The only way to minimise that is, either lots of experience in real world situations (like mountain rescue)or countless drills, over and over again until it becomes second nature. You can learn as much as you like but it's only by familiarising yourself with the routines this way that it sticks and becomes instinctive. What I saw in the video was, you responded quickly; you kept your head clear and you were fully engaged in your situational awareness - there's no teaching that in any class room. So, well done.
You did really well. I think I 'guided' you to a first aid course in the comments too. Until you are faced with this sort of circumstance and the feeling of rising panic and helplessness its hard to relate to and describe. But you did the right things as far as I could asses, obviously we only see what you filmed and we weren't there. But he survived....that should be the main take away. If he was on his own there would be a good chance wouldn't have, and you were there for him. Really well done.
@timwelsh9849 thanks Tim! You'll be pleased to know that I've gone one further than more first aid courses and have now been in the Fire Service for nearly 3 years :p
Good on ya bro. If I ever had such an accident I would hope somebody like you was there to help out... Don't be listening to the haters man you'd get them no matter what you done. Well done!
You did a great job and really did help to save his life. I think another thing that helped was your leadership and giving people different tasks eg one person phoning , one person staying, and you going down to find more help etc.. rather than all stressing or arguing over who would do what or loads of different inputs and ideas.. deffo saved time and effort etc. Please be careful when sprinting over crib goch ☺️
Fair play to you, I work in the ambulance service and also a keen outdoor enthusiast, most people don't even know how to call for help on the hills or mountains. Yes as you said some things were missed in the initial assessment, but as you said if you haven't experienced things like this before, how are you supposed to know how your going to react. You immediately raised the alarm, identified the immediate threats that you can do something about and acted appropriately. There is nothing you could do for a femur or spinal fracture whilst you were there without the appropriate training or equipment other than keep him as still as possible. Well done to you all.
@@BraveDave Even firefighters need heroes 😂 but in all seriousness it’s nice to see someone reflect on things, we could all be in a similar situation one day.
As someone who is beginning their Leadership role, I can only hope to be as competent and calm as you were on the day Dave. Many thanks for posting this.
I only just watched the first video yesterday and thought what a great job you did in difficult circumstances. I never read any of the comments. Now, I see this video and feel that you are having to justify your actions, which is a great shame. Ed would not be alive today if it were not for your quick thinking actions and the fact that he was a complete stranger that you helped in whatever way you could is testament to you. I have been to Wales many times in terrible weather and have run the D of E at my school for 18 years. Don't listen to the shit that armchair viewers say! Well done to you and I am sure that Ed is very grateful and his opinion is really the only one that counts.
@sarahscott-ze1th Thanks Sarah! Hah, yeah I'm very used to armchair experts. However, it's also worth noting that most people are very positive, like yourself :)
Hi Dave, the original video is a valuable resource for seeing first aid knowledge put into action. I have done the 2 day wilderness first aid course about 4 times now and in the most recent one the instructor showed actual footage of a mountain biker (in France or Spain I think) crashing and puncturing a vital blood vessel. Your video is in the same visceral ballpark, showing what really happens when you have to apply theory in practice against the clock. Should be required watching for ML training. All things considered I think you did well with the first aid element, it is easy to criticise from the armchair but with the adrenalin/fear going you kept Ed conscious without making his injuries worse which is basically all you could have done. One thing not mentioned in your follow-up which is worth bearing in mind for people watching is the danger of waterproof trousers on steep wet grass - once you start sliding on them it is equivalent to sliding on ice with no crampons. Following a very nerve-wracking descent into a grassy corrie on Beinn Bhan I now take the view that I will not descend steep grass in full waterproofs unless there is literally no other option - better to continue on a longer ridge route and descend gradually even if it takes a lot longer, or take the waterproof trouser layer off and get soaked. The risk of sliding out of control is something I don't want to tolerate as a (mostly) solo walker & scrambler. Your video confirms it! Cheers.
Hi Corvayle! I think I've seen the mountain biker video. Doesn't he rupture his femoral artery which can cause someone to bleed out in like a minute? His fall doesn't even look that bad either, he just lands in exactly the wrong place. It's really scary how the body has a few weak points where if there's damage then the person is almost certainly going to die within minutes. You're also very right about waterproof trousers; they're almost frictionless on wet grass. Something very worth being aware of when descending.
Ive been on many sea survival and first aid courses over the year. First major accident i seen was a car crash in France with 3 kids in the total. Like you say, no amount of training actually prepares you as theres so much that can be wrong, as i found out. Staying calm is a must! But holding a kids head & body still to stop further serious damage is all i could really do. It felt like the Fire/rescue team and Ambulances took for ever, i remember praying for them to hurry up.
Funnily enough, I'm now a firefighter :p I've had lots of training since this video so hopefully I'd feel a bit more confident if something like this was to happen again.
@BraveDave that's brilliant, a very noble thing to do! I'm sure now u have experienced the adrenaline, gory injuries and all the thoughts that run through your head, you will know how to navigate it a bit calmer. Calm and focused definitely helps. All the best fella 👍
crazy having watched the original footage you got stick. At the end of the day you focused your attention on the people around you and put yourself in danger trying to save a mans life, and had you acted differently Ed may well have not made it due to exposure. The only way you get "better" at dealing with events like that is experience, and your first real life threatening incident lead to everyone involved getting back home and recovering. I think the video shows just what people are capable of, and the crazy dedication people have to protect others. Props to you guys and mountain rescue for the great effort and thank you for the footage for us to learn from.
“I think we’re dealing with a dead person” Keeps filming and making sure his only real priority is to capture it all on film. The man’s an absolute embarrassment to the ML community, and that’s if he actually is a ML. The injured person was very lucky that day that he survived and Dynamic Dave doesn’t deserve the credit a lot of people are giving him for his actions. If he hadn’t have gone that way in the first place this wouldn’t have happened and if that guy had been a client Dave would more than likely be in jail today. Watch a few more of his videos and you’ll see just how irresponsible he can be
@@nickpennington8937 The only way anyone learns anything is by the mistakes and actions we make. We are all human, and we all make mistakes. But non more so than people trying to protect a friend whilst helping to save a stranger. Could he have put the camera down? Sure, but it's the age we live in, I literally saw 10 people filming the scene of a lady who had jumped off a bridge above a bypas rather than ring the police. This man and his mate along with a stranger helped keep a injured man alive untill rescue arrived, anyone can slip no matter the location. Maybe in 2023 be more positive and constructive rather than calling someone who was thrown into a scenario with only "practical experience" to back him up. It's a whole other world on the mountain. I am sure he and other ML's have taken much from this and at the end of the day, if he has helped to show any errors he may or may not have made then that's another gift to learn from.
@@jamiesmith2152 100% correct. Unfortunately Dangerous Dave has learnt nothing from this experience and fails to acknowledge his poor choice of route in those conditions and the fact that he could have done a lot better. He claims in replies to me that he has taken that route many times prior to that day, so why is it that in his revisit video that he takes spikes with him? Where the spikes on that day? The arrogance of this man will cost someone their life one day!
@@nickpennington8937 You saying he has not learnt anything, yet questioning why he is wearing spikes on his return visit when he should have had them on the first trip? He literally acknowledged he wishes to learn more First aid in the start of the video. Where is the arrogance? If grouping up with a couple of hikers to try get off a mountain in harsh weather conditions and taking a path that "looked" clearer of snow and clag is arrogant then sure. People also do add things to their daily kit, especially after seeing a accident, I never used to carry a emergency bivvy until I watched this video, but the 200 grams of pack weight is nothing compared to being able to assist someone in need or even yourself in a emergency. He may have done that route 500 times and never slipped once, but he saw someone else slip and now he takes spikes, to me that's common sense, not arrogance. Not sure of your history with him or whatever, but making names up and trash talking and jumping on peoples positive posts is a little much. Maybe just block the channel and watch the guys who are perfect all the time, or edit the mistakes out so nobody learns.
@@jamiesmith2152 he claims to have been up and down that slope previously so should have been aware of the dangers of tackling it in those conditions with the gear they had! Why did he not choose to have spikes in his gear that day? Anyone with any knowledge of that area knows to choose it at any other time than summer is ridiculous. In his revisit video he fails to recognise that he could have done a lot better with his first aid and bangs on about keeping him warm. He didn’t even have any spare warm layers in his bag which could have been used to keep the casualty warm, and failed miserably to separate him from the ground! He even had to borrow a dry layer off MR at the end because he didn’t have any, yet claims he had ML training! Putting a map in a plastic sleeve under him did nothing! He’s learnt nothing from that incident if he still thinks it was a good idea to choose that route which he does! The man is a fraud, and in his comments to me he still refuses to accept responsibility for his actions He has a reputation within the ML community but it’s certainly not the one he thinks he has! I’ll leave that one for you to work out!
Ignore the folk who criticised you, it’s all to easy to use hindsight with stuff like this. You did the absolute best you could in a horrendous situation. Tbh, to keep him alive, with those injuries, you did an amazing job!
Mate... the fact is Ed’s alive and made full recovery, so you must have done some thing right...? Surely that shows you knew what you were doing 👍 great job, nice follow up video, and great job by mountain rescue.
Keyboard warriors are always gonna chirp up... I challenge anyone to stay calm and collected and check all the boxes in those extreme conditions
Cheers James! Yeah, it was great to hear from Ed that nearly all his broken bones are fully healed up now. I couldn't believe it when I saw the xrays of his femur. Before that I'd thought it was just a fracture!
Respect to you Dave, I think your cool head saved his life. I slipped once on a wet mountain but was lucky enough to stop myself from rolling too far.
@@steveknibbs6877 Glad you were able to stop yourself, Steve! Wet slopes are not to be taken lightly!
Been a first aider for over 40 years. You did just fine, if I had raised you or taught you I’d be so proud right now. I’d love to have you around next time **** hits the fan 👏 well done
Emotional stuff, we all need a Brave Dave in times like these. You and the guys did a cracking job.
Thanks pal :)
You saved Eddy’s life,ignore the keyboard warriors . They will never be in that situation because they never go out 😀
You should collab with GeoWizard! He's done 2 attempts at walking through Wales in a straight line, and he's travelled all through Europe hitchhiking. His next mission is a straight line through Norway! Your content and sense of humour is very similar and I think you would do brilliant together
Yeah, a few people have said I should team up with GeoWizard! But I don't think that he needs to collaborate with anyone. He's mastered his niche, got a friend to go with him and is doing just fine :P
@@BraveDave I'm gonna take that as a "maybe one day" 😉 great video as alwaya mate
that is actually a great idea
@@vinnymurphy1299 @Brave Dave so im not the only person who thinks they would make a great duo! I would love to see them do something together.
@@BraveDave Mate collab anyway!
I should be shocked that people complained about how you handled it, but this is the internet. As a paramedic for almost 10 years who's also had personal emergencies (one of which was during a hike, even), I say you absolutely killed it. Shit is fucking stressful in real life, especially when you're far from help in a situation with few resources and in shit conditions. You kept a level head (at least externally), delegated tasks well, had good priorities (temperature management, stability, maintaining mental status), and improvised great with what you had. I'd feel great about having you as a hiking buddy. 💛
Thanks Bob, that means a lot coming from a professional :) And I wasn't shocked that some people were angry with the video. If anything I was surprised how relatively few there were! I could post a clip of me rescuing puppies from a fire and there would still be people pissed off that I didn't do it how they would have done it :P
Alright Dave I'm Ben that you met on the mountain, it was a pleasure to have a chat with you, cheers. Glad to report none of us slipped down the North Ridge!
Now then, Ben! I was wondering when you might comment on here :) Glad you all made it down okay. The north ridge isn't long but it's certainly a bit tricky in places compared to the main ridge!
"Not even a breeze" followed immediately by wind noise. Haha. But really you saved Ed's life. Shock and exposure are serious killers together. You handled it really well, especially considering the situation. My first-responder friends think you guys did a great job, but of course the internet "experts" will have their say. The video also opened my eyes to the dangers of even the more simple type of mountaineering. I do similar types of little expeditions in the mountains of Sweden and Norway (not very technical or dangerous routes), but seeing how dangerous wet grass can be has definitely made me more aware of my steps.
I'm really glad this video has made some people realise that even simple things like grass can be lethal, Titanius! Stay safe out there :)
it's great that you came back to the site to reflect on things, props to you
Thanks Poluki! Yes, I've passed the slope quite a few times since the accident but I was always leading people at the time so I wasn't able to go up and check it out properly until recently. It will forever now be known as "Ed's Slope" :)
I just saw the fall today. You stayed so clam and saved that man's life.
Dave, first aid and helpers including mountain rescue ultimately saved Ed's life. Brings back memories of an accident on Ben Lui (snow and ice). A friend of mine slipped and fell approx 150 feet, she was unconscious. Leader placed her in the recovery position. He and another woman descended the mountain to get help. I along with two men remained with injured woman, five hours later we saw line of dots of light moving - mountain rescue team arrived at location. In total 26 mrt personnel attended.
Woman was stretchered down and MRT team leader assigned team member to personally take us down off the mountain. Woman made a good recovery. [1999}
I think you do an excellent job on that intense day Dave. You took control of the incident, looked out for your mate and gave him clear instructions.
No.1, you kept yourself and the guys with you safe. No.2, you knew where you were and got a timely call out to mountain rescue. No.3, you quickly assessed the severity of the casualty’s injuries and quite rightly refrained from moving him any more than was necessary to keep him warm.
No.4, you did a good job getting insulation around him.
No.5 you left 2 with the casualty while you went to find more people to help that may have been on a popular track which you knew was close by.
No.6 I think you brought back some pain killer tablets to the casualty.
No.7 you used your whistle in the windy/noisy conditions to help MR team find you.
No.8, you gave MR team an accurate brief of what happened and mechanism of injury.
That is an absolutely tremendous achievement under extreme pressure and stress in horrific weather conditions. Well done Dave.
Realistically, I think the only other thing you could have done was maybe assess the facial/head bleeding and possibly dressed this.
Splinting the smashed up femur was certainly not an option for you.
I think your actions saved his life Dave. They bought significant time to allow MRT to deal with a casualty still alive on their arrival.
P.s I am a volunteer member of a Search & Rescue team. I think you should consider joining your local Search & Rescue team. You would be a great asset to the team.👍👍👍
Thanks for your comment, Trevor! I agree, I could have dressed his head. I remember the reason I didn't was because it seemed to have stopped bleeding by that point and i didn't want to do anything unnecessarywith Eddie, though a dressing would have ensured it stayed clean and closed. You'll be pleased to know that since this video I have joined the Fire and Rescue Service so I'm now a fair bit more trained and confident when it comes to trauma care :)
Great news to hear you have joined the Fire & Rescue Service Dave. The perfect job for you, they are very lucky to have you.👍
Brilliant follow up Dave. I’ve shared the original video with basically anyone I know who goes outside (!!), the most insightful thing I’ve ever seen on the consequences of a fall and staying safe.
Thanks Linesider! It can't hurt to have more people out there thinking twice about possible dangers when they're out and about :)
Well done Brave Dave, I think you did the best that most anyone could have given the situation and the equipment you had with you. Big respect on owning up to not remembering where the safety blanket was.
Seeing how badly injured he got was horrible. But seeing the recovery he has made is impressive. You without a doubt played a big part in saving this guy. Well done! And good job promoting donations for mountain rescue teams too.
Did a cracking job Dave. From a mountain leader to another.... people are clearly missing the fact why you decided to go down that route in the first place. You ended up with 1 casualty, instead of a possible 4....and you saved a life. Well done lad 👍🌄
Thanks CL! Always nice to hear from a fellow ML :)
your decision-making saved that lads life, getting him off the cold ground, location etc. He definitely owes you a very large pint!
well done
Haha, yes, Ed promised us a pint and I've not forgotten :P
Good Work Dave and everyone involved! You definitely saved his life.
And by posting the video you have probably saved quite a few more peoples lives. Great job 👍
I'm new to your channel today & having watched the first clip, it led me to this follow up. I have to say I think you did a fantastic job from the get go. You took control of the situation, acted swiftly whilst being mindful of your own & others safety. Ultimately you did what was required in incredidibly difficult terrain & weather conditions. Not only did you do it but you did it extremely well.
Justifying your actions isn't necessary, you kept Ed alive & got him the help that was needed. Without you, this story could have had a truly tragic ending. Best wishes to Ed.
Thanks, Tiffer! I've not uploaded anything in over a year but I hope you enjoy my old stuff :p
@@BraveDave No worries, I'm always months, years behind anything current. I've got plenty to look through & enjoy. Thanks.
Late to the party but great job to you all up there. That was one hell of a fall and you guys kept cool undoubtedly saving Ed's life. It was emotional to watch. I can't even imagine the kind of force needed to rip the boots from your feet, insane!
I honestly think wet grass on any kind of gradient is one of the most dangerous terrains to traverse. With snow and ice the risk is visible so you're more alert and make moves accordingly. Wet grass doesn't seem like an immediate risk, and I'd bet a lot of people wouldn't treat it as carefully as they would snow or ice.
Thanks Simon! Yeah, Ed really took a battering on the way down that slope. I couldn't believe he was still conscious when we found him!
Just found your channel last night stayed up till 3am watching your Canada Trainhopping videos which were great. Today I watched the video about Ed and this, if you had not been there and kept a level head I dont think Ed would be with us today. You are very humble but you saved a life that day.
Thanks Charlie! Glad you enjoyed the freight train stuff. Make the most of them because I doubt there's much more coming any time soon :P
Thanks for the debrief Dave. You did well, really well. There's no teacher like experience. Bestest wishes.
Thanks, Cornish! And that's true, experience is the best teacher though it can be a bit scary when there are very serious consequences at stake :P
Just watched the actual video, very emotional, in all of the sheer chaos and panic you remained calm and took great leadership. A true hero if I do say so myself. Much more calm and collected than I would be. I'm glad he is alive and all of you guys are too.
Thanks Soarific. It's crazy that the accident was already a year ago (March 7th)! Ed told me he's almost back to normal except that his leg is a fair bit weaker than the other (which is understandable) :)
Dave, you did an excellent job on the day keeping Ed alive and looking after your mates, great follow up videos too. Much appreciated.
Thanks Mikey :)
Your original video of the accident and rescue is remarkable. British mountains always seem so friendly, with their soft, grassy slopes, and this shows how serious they can be, and how quickly a day's scrambling can become a deadly situation. You did so well to keep everything together until Mountain Rescue arrived.
You did really well young man. Saved Eddie’s life.
I had to bail out on Crib goch down that same slope its not an easy one, watching your video brings home how quickly and wasily a great day out can turn bad. You did a bang up job helping Ed IMO.
Love your videos keep it up.
Yeah man, it's certainly not a straightforward slope! But it's better than continuing towards Garnedd Ugain if there's a hurricane blowing up there with zero views :P (Well, it's better as long as no one falls down and breaks 7 bones).
Weird, I watched this yesterday and yet its only just gone up!!! I was thinking while I was watching it, Imagine being in a world or country where there wasn't any mountain rescue? what on earth would you have been able to do for the guy then? Those guys are amazing. well done you, I've done first aid courses but I agree that in the heat of the moment you can only do what comes into your head at the time.
Yeah, sorry, I uploaded it yesterday but then noticed a load of typos and errors, so I took it down and fixed it up before it had had many views :P And yes, without MR then Eddy wouldn't have had a chance. We couldn't move him and he only had a limited amount of time before the cold finished him off. Scary stuff!
The lesson from all of this is... Don't go up a mountain, stay home, warm by the fire. But seriously F**king great job
I’ve just watched the incident video and I’m really glad he’s in a position to make a good/full recovery.
Kudos to you all, and you’re absolutely right. You can have the knowledge (first aid) but to put that into practice in such a severe situation, after sliding down yourself, in bad weather is a big ask.
This has been such a huge lesson for me!!
I’ve been up in the mountains numerous times, in all weathers without needing so much as a plaster but, I’m now going to upgrade my kit to include a shelter, larger first aid kit etc.
Sharing this experience is what we all need, to realise how easy it can happen and how bad it can quickly get!
Thank you 👍🏼
Can’t believe I forgot, mountain rescue!!
We all know they’re heroes, and none of us want to meet them but my god, imagine what would’ve happened if they didn’t exist!!
You done a fantastic job. Especially in those conditions .
Brave Dave responding to iffy comments on TH-cam is legendary! You now have a walking video to match the intensity and excitement of your fright hopping escape from the bull!! Nice one and good to hear the debriefing and news Ed is going to eventually be ok👍🍺😎
Thanks, Snowy! And yeah, I'm quite well versed with replying to odd bods and dickheads on here. 15+ years of having a TH-cam channel will give a guy plenty of experience at that :P
I hope Ed recovered well. Keep educating people with this real-life example of what can happen in a split second, and how not being prepared can cost you your life. Much respect to mountain rescue teams. Me and my brother both owe such unsung heroes our lives.
Just stumbled on to both videos this evening. Fanny around watching RNLI and this came up. Soo interesting, in what happened, what you did in way of responses. Valuable real life training. Glad all well. Glad you carried all that stuff, i wouldn't have.
Thanks mate! Yeah, it's definitely a unique perspective of when things go wrong :P
Watched both videos, and while I think you shouldn't have been anywhere near Crib Goch in weather like that (not specifically you, but people in general), you almost certainly saved Ed's life and a day where everyone lives is a good day. Great work in a terrible conditions.
I cannot believe he survived that fall. That's got to be one in a million. It was also a surprise that it wasn't the nightmare ridge that caused it, it was innocent looking grass
Yeah, Freddie, Crib Goch ridge was no issue for any of us. It's the "easy" part which can catch people out :P
I've only recently stumbled across this follow up video.
I seriously cannot believe that people would actually sit down in the comfort of their home and complain at anything you did that day.
What is wrong with people?
If you've got nothing good to contribute then don't.
If it wasn't for you, Ed would certainly not be here today. You should be extremely proud of what you did that day. You all should.
Ed will be forever grateful to you all for your actions on that day.
I also felt it was great that you shared that video. It really does highlight the dangers and how quickly things can change and escalate in the mountains.
Stay safe.
That's the Internet for ya! Armchair Experts and Keyboard Warriors, as far as the eye can see :p
The upmost respect for your quick thinking and calm manner well done man
You absolutely deserve to pat yourself on the back about how you reacted in a stressful situation. I hope you and Ed can have a pint about it when he is better. The only thing that scared me was when you and your friend momentarily lost your footing, then got very lucky with your own slips. Really glad you bought that up in this one. It's safer to take 3-5 seconds to make a concious plan rather than just react and join the victim. Thank you so much for sharing this experience with us, both the video but also your thoughts too. Intense is certainly the word.
Thanks, Mehashi! Yeah, it's easy to become a secondary casualty when someone else has an accident. Fortunately our slips weren't severe. Ed just happened to slip in exactly the wrong place!
Respect to the mountains and respect to yourself and the rest of the group for your actions in what must have been a terrifying few hours. Well done, you clearly know what you are doing and would hope there is a 'Brave Dave' nearby should I ever be in a similar situation.
Considering the situation I think you all did an excellent job. The fact that everyone came off the mountain and lived to tell the tale speaks volumes. Well done, all concerned.🤕🖒😊
Thanks for the video. I'm going on a FRA two-day outdoor First Aid course and watching the video is required pre-course viewing - so they must think you did a lot right. I am also going to share the video and this follow up with my social media network. All the best
You're a gem, the video is a gem for learning, internet is gonna internet. Thank you.
Brave Dave, this whole story line was nerve wrecking to say the least. I'm glad it turned out ok for the gentleman who slid down, that awfully jagged & rough terrain. A job well done to all parties involved. So lastly, I wanna also add, nothing but mad respect for you & ur train hopping videos. I always enjoy your content, and your narration on the vids are amazing. Its definitely one of the reasons you're one of my favorite youtube creators! Keep it up homie. Enjoy and stay safe! Bravo mate!
I know very little about mountaineering tbh with you but I’ve got a say what an amazing video really enjoyed watching it and great to see a positive outcome in the end 👍😎
You did fantastically well on the day Dave in those circumstances, and you are answerable to no-one. Well done to you and the other members of the team who were present, you all saved Eddys life. Thanks also to Llanberis mountain rescue, heroes all of you.
Thanks Angmar :) Coincidentally today is exactly one year since the incident! I just spoke to Ed and he says he's pretty much fully recovered except that his leg is still quite weak (understandable after barely being used for a year).
Almost exactly the same thing happened with me and a friend. Only we faced a sheer drop off a cliff edge. He came hurtling down a wet grass bank and as he was passing me we grabbed each other and slid for what was only a few feet but felt like a hundred. I dug my heels in as we slid, it was the tiniest little stone sticking out of the ground that saved both of us from certain death. I reckon wet grass is one of the most underrated dangers in the mountains.
Glad you and your friend didn't fall!
You did a great job he lived to tell the tale, that's a win all round!
Ed is alive, you and the others should be proud. In the heat of the moment and in awful conditions you all acted. People sitting in their comfy chairs with a brew picking holes in the detail of those actions should take a minute to process the pressure of stepping up to the realisation that you are now responsible for saving someone's life. Should I ever have the misfortune to have an 'off' up there i can only hope its in the company of someone like you guys and not a keyboard warrior. Great job you lads and of course, the incredible dedication and efforts of Llanberis mountain rescue volunteers.
Excellent performance keeping the casualty, and the team, alive and focused on the planned result - get the casualty off the mountain alive, without further injury. Job done.
Can't believe some would question your response after watching what you guys did that clearly went a long way to save Eds life.... Should be very proud of yourselves 👍
The fact that he should never have chosen that route in the first place is the only thing that needs to be questioned
Dave, I watched the original video with Ed’s slip/fall and coming from a military and now Police background and having unfortunately dealt with some fairly horrid accidents I would just like to say what a great job you did on the day.
You took charge of the situation but remained calm when others would have flapped and with no doubt eddy is still alive today purely thanks to your efforts.
Can’t believe any one could criticise your efforts on the day, first aid is simple that trying to do the best you can with what you have at hand.
Just this last week I have guided a group of six along crib goch who got into difficulties trying to find the route before even getting on the ridge and they wanted to leave the ridge at the same point as you guys had your incident. I steered them away from this idea as it’s safer to carry on along the ridge the majority of the time.
Keep up the good work and definitely don’t beat your self up over this and give your self a pat on the back for a job well done in looking after eddy.
Thanks AV! Hah, yes, I think all of us who do Crib Goch regularly have passed groups of people who were clearly out their depth up there and had to help them out or give them advice on where to go or where not to go. I've found people at the Crib Goch pinnacles just standing there in the mist trying to work out how to cross them because it's their first time up there and they just presumed it would be a straight line the whole way along, or there would be other people to follow. I'm glad you told that group to avoid the slope! :)
No need for you to defend yourself at all. You did amazingly well & effectively led the rescue plan really efficiently. 💯
you did an excellent job Dave ! I dont know what would have happened to poor Ed if it wasn't for you. I learned a lot from your video it really is unique to see an accident happen in front of you thank you for documenting the event. I think you did an amazing job not moving Ed and getting him warm while mountain rescue arrived.
Thanks, Janos! :)
I think you've opened my eyes go get myself on a course of some sort. As a mountain biker and general wilderness lover it's bound go come in handy at some point in my life.
Great job, Dave. One thing learning on a course and doing it in real life. Did better than most in that situation
Thanks Tom! Yes, it's very different. The problem is that in order to get real world experience at this stuff you have to be present at real world accidents. And then you have to face the possibility of real world consequences which is a bit more daunting than role playing in a car park :P
Thank You for sharing all this.. For steep slopes I always bring Poles and an Alpine Stick or Ice Axe and I still find descending very difficult... Very hard on the legs...
Wow - thats crazy. Well done for your reactions and being such a big part of his survival. I watched the video and that was a critical situation and you dealt with it very well.
Thanks Andrew :)
First time I’ve seen the accident video & this follow up. Bottom line, you guys saved Ed’s life that day….many wouldn’t have even ventured as far down as you did looking for him. Was it perfect, nope, I think you moved him slightly too much given the risk of neck injury….however, that for me is the only thing that could have been better…..That you found him and insulated him almost certainly saved his life. I thought you showed calm effective leadership and can be very proud of how you held up in a high pressure situation. I’m used to mountains on my own so know how intimidating and nervous the conditions can make you. I hope I’m never unfortunate enough to have to help a seriously injured person on the mountains but if it ever did happen I’d be happy if I performed like you did that day. Well done 👍🏻
Well done Dave, really enjoyed the follow up video
Thanks for making this video! Very informative and eye opening.
I’m a diving instructor and EFR instructor, thinking on your feet as best as poss, no situation is the same , you did brilliant m8
Fascinating to watch. I along with 16 other novice climbers completed the 3 peaks challenge in the early hours of Wednesday morning in the dark and rain. Hours behind schedule and with no sleep we started on the minors track and somehow got lost. Scary experience but got to the summit eventually. We came back the nice tourists route but eventually got off the mountain at 3am. I would love to do this again and maybe raise money for mountain rescue . What an incredible job they do. Great Videos Dave, keep it up.
You did a REALLY good job and let those that say otherwise stay in the limbo, Dave. Internet has let way too many brainlets expose their voices in the same space as wiser ones.
Have I told you that the Intense Day on Crib Goch makes my stomach churn? If not, well it does. I'm still equal parts amazed and elated that he was alive, conscious, breathing and not concussed after that sled-less toboggan session. Those rocks and shit look mean enough to do way more than shatter a big man's femur in four or five bits and shards. And no doubt that wood post would've been pure death, Ed should thank his guardian angel for not slipping like 5 meters further ahead on the ridge.
The fog did an excellent job of hiding how short the overall distances were, everything felt way way bigger. I thought you were jogging like a full kilometer between the Pyg and Ed's spot. Glad it wasn't!
Shaun the Sheep's lesson still applies, and I'm never underestimating mountain grass, whether wet or dry. Very smart to keep those spikes on 👍
Now, I have one question for you: freight surfing is obviously out, so why not try in the future a more law-abiding adventure abroad? For example, France and Italy have some good mountains to hike and scramble on ;^)
I'd be up for doing stuff abroad! Unfortunately the world isn't the best place for doing anything right now. When/if covid ever pisses off and people are allowed to travel again then it'll be the shambolic shit show that is Brexit which is completely ruining everything instead. Yaaay! Sure is great to live in Little Britain these days :P
Whether you all should be walking up in the mountains in the first place is another question, but it's clear you helped save his life on the day, so well done for that. Personally I wouldn't go near high mountains in poor weather, but then I'm not an experienced walker. Tbh, I wouldn't walk over crib goch in good weather at my age, but that's also another story.
You don't have to explain yourself to all the keyboard knobs out there. You helped save a blokes life. Kudos for going back and finding the shoe. I lost a glove up there last year keep your eye out will you next time.
A guy I was recently leading on Crib Goch lost a glove over the side as well. If I can find yours and his then I'll have myself a new pair!! (Even if they're both for the same hand, I'll make it work somehow).
Your a life saver buddy.... Seriously well done for your quick thinking and actions.....
Speedy recovery to Brave Eddy, both lucky to be alive and hideously unlucky to be mangled up like that in the first place. Still not as unlucky as a certain Brave Someone who's effectivly banned from an entire continent when his audience is hungry for more choo choo train related shenanigans.
Oh yes, Dave, you may not be a qualified paramedic but you successfully upheld the Prime Directive by not making Ed's condition any worse. Job well done.
Hindsight it always 20/20, as is watching a video. It's easy to sit here now and second guess.
Nobody is perfect and everyone makes mistakes, all you can do is try your best.
All things considered i think you did a pretty damn fine job.
Thanks RMJ! Glad you think so :)
Dave he was lucky you were there - you did all the important things and kept calm
When my mate took a bad fall while climbing I was surprised how much of previous first aid courses kicked in. He was in bad way but dont think quite as bad Ed though, no blood and it warm summer afternoon, but did have punctured lung. He landed in awkward position making it hard from him to breathe so had to make a decision to move him to more comfortable position which made a huge difference.
Also fb ect comment on the Glossop mountain rescue got some random chap from Canada criticising him for free climbing which he certainly wasn't his gear just pulled when he fell.
Also foresight is wonderful thing especially in heat of the moment
Wow, Stephen, I'm glad Ed didn't have a punctured lung as well! That's scary stuff! Well done for helping him out :)
@@BraveDave put me off climbing for a long while, it's taken 6 years for me to get back into outdoor climbing.
I was a mountain guide and never had to deal with anything more serious than a twisted ankles, bee stings or heat exhaustion. What you did that day saved Ed’s life without doubt
Thanks Nicholas. And I'll be pretty pleased if the worst I have to deal with in the future is a twisted ankle. No more spinal bone breaks, please!! :)
There's no doubt in my mind and I suspect Ed's mind, YOU saved his life. He may well have not made it until the Mountain Rescue guys arrived had you not acted as you did. Give yourself a bloody big pat on the back!!!
seen both videos, all considered in the adrenaline and confusion... you did bloomin well. Your ML training paid off!
I said it at the time and I'll say it now... you did remarkably well under those conditions some people just panic and they don't know what to do, they freeze up instead. granted you can tell from watching your other adventure videos how you respond in tense situations. Although, you almost did do yourself in slipping down the slope in that initial rush to find him.
I think the best way is to volunteer locally yourself. I don't know how it works over there in the UK, but here in the US, you can volunteer, and they train you. that way you also get practical experience in addition to the training. possibly you could volunteer for the Mountain Rescue since you're obviously there all the time and you know the mountains.
I was skiing once and took a tumble so hard my boots, pants and jacket got ripped off. I can relate to the kind of fall it takes end up naked at the end, I got lucky and had lots of soft snow and a ski patrol not 1 minute away.
Good Job though, really like this follow up video
Dave, I think you did brilliantly, way better than I or most of your armchair critics would have done. Well done, and thanks for the update. BTW, whilst Ed's initial slip will have been due to his shoes losing grip, the reason he kept sliding was because he was wrapped in slippery waterproofs, and because grass, even dry grass, can be very slippery. Unavoidable, but worth being aware of. As a kid in Summer we used to slide in cardboard boxes down a nearby grass slope. Great fun!
Seems like a therapeutic thing to revisit the site? Like you handled it really well, but obviously an extremely stressful experience!
Revisiting the slope was interesting but I didn't do it for closure or something like that. Haha. To be honest my video footage was more than enough "therapy". Watching it over and over again whilst editing it let my brain completely process everything. Also the fact that I know Eddy is alive and well helps a lot too :P
@@BraveDave fair enough, I hadn't considered the lengthy video editing process. maybe it was closure for me then, I found it pretty stressful 😂
Under the circumstances and keeping in mind, it wasn’t really your gig, it was another team, you did well and moreover, your immediate action, insulating the casualty was correct. You could see he was making noise and that was a good sign, but one things for sure, had you not been there, it could have ended a little differently. You should be taking a bow, not justifying what you did/didn’t do, you saved a young mans life and that’s what counts. You have learnt from your lessons and that’s part of the hills and you’ll keep learning regardless. Finally, the best plans in the world go to rat crap and it’s how you over come and adapt, you did and well. Hopefully, others can also learn from this video. Keep safe.
Thanks David! Yes, I definitely learnt a lot from the experience :) Safe climbs to you too!
You did a great job mate. Well done.
A lot of people can talk a lot of shit and no-matter what they know, if they're facing their first time then they'll make less than perfect decisions too. The only way to minimise that is, either lots of experience in real world situations (like mountain rescue)or countless drills, over and over again until it becomes second nature. You can learn as much as you like but it's only by familiarising yourself with the routines this way that it sticks and becomes instinctive.
What I saw in the video was, you responded quickly; you kept your head clear and you were fully engaged in your situational awareness - there's no teaching that in any class room. So, well done.
Cheers Paul, much appreciated :)
@@BraveDave Also, like M.R. told you, you - you had the right gear and there's a great saying: "luck is for the un-prepared" :)
You did really well. I think I 'guided' you to a first aid course in the comments too. Until you are faced with this sort of circumstance and the feeling of rising panic and helplessness its hard to relate to and describe. But you did the right things as far as I could asses, obviously we only see what you filmed and we weren't there. But he survived....that should be the main take away. If he was on his own there would be a good chance wouldn't have, and you were there for him. Really well done.
@timwelsh9849 thanks Tim! You'll be pleased to know that I've gone one further than more first aid courses and have now been in the Fire Service for nearly 3 years :p
you did everything pertectly as far as i could tell, very well done indeed,
misread that first subtitle before you said it lol and wondered what direction this channel had gone!!
Good on ya bro. If I ever had such an accident I would hope somebody like you was there to help out... Don't be listening to the haters man you'd get them no matter what you done. Well done!
I thought the way you took control and managed an extreme situation showed real leadership and without a doubt saved the guys life.
Thanks Simon!
Sounds to me like you did a great job and kept a man alive, nice👍🏻
You guys did great, me and my partner now donate to the Llanberis M.R team after watching the 'intense day' video. 👍👍👍
That's great news, Henry! Really glad you were inspired to do that :)
You did a great job and really did help to save his life. I think another thing that helped was your leadership and giving people different tasks eg one person phoning , one person staying, and you going down to find more help etc.. rather than all stressing or arguing over who would do what or loads of different inputs and ideas.. deffo saved time and effort etc. Please be careful when sprinting over crib goch ☺️
Fair play to you, I work in the ambulance service and also a keen outdoor enthusiast, most people don't even know how to call for help on the hills or mountains. Yes as you said some things were missed in the initial assessment, but as you said if you haven't experienced things like this before, how are you supposed to know how your going to react. You immediately raised the alarm, identified the immediate threats that you can do something about and acted appropriately. There is nothing you could do for a femur or spinal fracture whilst you were there without the appropriate training or equipment other than keep him as still as possible. Well done to you all.
Thanks, DS! And big respect to you lot in the ambulance service. I'm now in the fire and rescue service. I think you guys are pretty bloody amazing!
@@BraveDave Even firefighters need heroes 😂 but in all seriousness it’s nice to see someone reflect on things, we could all be in a similar situation one day.
Well done mate
As someone who is beginning their Leadership role, I can only hope to be as competent and calm as you were on the day Dave. Many thanks for posting this.
I only just watched the first video yesterday and thought what a great job you did in difficult circumstances. I never read any of the comments. Now, I see this video and feel that you are having to justify your actions, which is a great shame. Ed would not be alive today if it were not for your quick thinking actions and the fact that he was a complete stranger that you helped in whatever way you could is testament to you. I have been to Wales many times in terrible weather and have run the D of E at my school for 18 years. Don't listen to the shit that armchair viewers say! Well done to you and I am sure that Ed is very grateful and his opinion is really the only one that counts.
@sarahscott-ze1th Thanks Sarah! Hah, yeah I'm very used to armchair experts. However, it's also worth noting that most people are very positive, like yourself :)
Hi Dave, the original video is a valuable resource for seeing first aid knowledge put into action. I have done the 2 day wilderness first aid course about 4 times now and in the most recent one the instructor showed actual footage of a mountain biker (in France or Spain I think) crashing and puncturing a vital blood vessel. Your video is in the same visceral ballpark, showing what really happens when you have to apply theory in practice against the clock. Should be required watching for ML training. All things considered I think you did well with the first aid element, it is easy to criticise from the armchair but with the adrenalin/fear going you kept Ed conscious without making his injuries worse which is basically all you could have done.
One thing not mentioned in your follow-up which is worth bearing in mind for people watching is the danger of waterproof trousers on steep wet grass - once you start sliding on them it is equivalent to sliding on ice with no crampons. Following a very nerve-wracking descent into a grassy corrie on Beinn Bhan I now take the view that I will not descend steep grass in full waterproofs unless there is literally no other option - better to continue on a longer ridge route and descend gradually even if it takes a lot longer, or take the waterproof trouser layer off and get soaked. The risk of sliding out of control is something I don't want to tolerate as a (mostly) solo walker & scrambler. Your video confirms it! Cheers.
Hi Corvayle! I think I've seen the mountain biker video. Doesn't he rupture his femoral artery which can cause someone to bleed out in like a minute? His fall doesn't even look that bad either, he just lands in exactly the wrong place. It's really scary how the body has a few weak points where if there's damage then the person is almost certainly going to die within minutes.
You're also very right about waterproof trousers; they're almost frictionless on wet grass. Something very worth being aware of when descending.
Ive been on many sea survival and first aid courses over the year. First major accident i seen was a car crash in France with 3 kids in the total. Like you say, no amount of training actually prepares you as theres so much that can be wrong, as i found out. Staying calm is a must! But holding a kids head & body still to stop further serious damage is all i could really do. It felt like the Fire/rescue team and Ambulances took for ever, i remember praying for them to hurry up.
Funnily enough, I'm now a firefighter :p I've had lots of training since this video so hopefully I'd feel a bit more confident if something like this was to happen again.
@BraveDave that's brilliant, a very noble thing to do!
I'm sure now u have experienced the adrenaline, gory injuries and all the thoughts that run through your head, you will know how to navigate it a bit calmer. Calm and focused definitely helps. All the best fella 👍
You did well Dave...
crazy having watched the original footage you got stick. At the end of the day you focused your attention on the people around you and put yourself in danger trying to save a mans life, and had you acted differently Ed may well have not made it due to exposure. The only way you get "better" at dealing with events like that is experience, and your first real life threatening incident lead to everyone involved getting back home and recovering. I think the video shows just what people are capable of, and the crazy dedication people have to protect others. Props to you guys and mountain rescue for the great effort and thank you for the footage for us to learn from.
“I think we’re dealing with a dead person”
Keeps filming and making sure his only real priority is to capture it all on film.
The man’s an absolute embarrassment to the ML community, and that’s if he actually is a ML.
The injured person was very lucky that day that he survived and Dynamic Dave doesn’t deserve the credit a lot of people are giving him for his actions.
If he hadn’t have gone that way in the first place this wouldn’t have happened and if that guy had been a client Dave would more than likely be in jail today.
Watch a few more of his videos and you’ll see just how irresponsible he can be
@@nickpennington8937 The only way anyone learns anything is by the mistakes and actions we make. We are all human, and we all make mistakes. But non more so than people trying to protect a friend whilst helping to save a stranger. Could he have put the camera down? Sure, but it's the age we live in, I literally saw 10 people filming the scene of a lady who had jumped off a bridge above a bypas rather than ring the police. This man and his mate along with a stranger helped keep a injured man alive untill rescue arrived, anyone can slip no matter the location. Maybe in 2023 be more positive and constructive rather than calling someone who was thrown into a scenario with only "practical experience" to back him up. It's a whole other world on the mountain. I am sure he and other ML's have taken much from this and at the end of the day, if he has helped to show any errors he may or may not have made then that's another gift to learn from.
@@jamiesmith2152 100% correct.
Unfortunately Dangerous Dave has learnt nothing from this experience and fails to acknowledge his poor choice of route in those conditions and the fact that he could have done a lot better.
He claims in replies to me that he has taken that route many times prior to that day, so why is it that in his revisit video that he takes spikes with him?
Where the spikes on that day?
The arrogance of this man will cost someone their life one day!
@@nickpennington8937 You saying he has not learnt anything, yet questioning why he is wearing spikes on his return visit when he should have had them on the first trip? He literally acknowledged he wishes to learn more First aid in the start of the video.
Where is the arrogance? If grouping up with a couple of hikers to try get off a mountain in harsh weather conditions and taking a path that "looked" clearer of snow and clag is arrogant then sure.
People also do add things to their daily kit, especially after seeing a accident, I never used to carry a emergency bivvy until I watched this video, but the 200 grams of pack weight is nothing compared to being able to assist someone in need or even yourself in a emergency.
He may have done that route 500 times and never slipped once, but he saw someone else slip and now he takes spikes, to me that's common sense, not arrogance.
Not sure of your history with him or whatever, but making names up and trash talking and jumping on peoples positive posts is a little much. Maybe just block the channel and watch the guys who are perfect all the time, or edit the mistakes out so nobody learns.
@@jamiesmith2152 he claims to have been up and down that slope previously so should have been aware of the dangers of tackling it in those conditions with the gear they had! Why did he not choose to have spikes in his gear that day?
Anyone with any knowledge of that area knows to choose it at any other time than summer is ridiculous.
In his revisit video he fails to recognise that he could have done a lot better with his first aid and bangs on about keeping him warm. He didn’t even have any spare warm layers in his bag which could have been used to keep the casualty warm, and failed miserably to separate him from the ground!
He even had to borrow a dry layer off MR at the end because he didn’t have any, yet claims he had ML training!
Putting a map in a plastic sleeve under him did nothing!
He’s learnt nothing from that incident if he still thinks it was a good idea to choose that route which he does!
The man is a fraud, and in his comments to me he still refuses to accept responsibility for his actions
He has a reputation within the ML community but it’s certainly not the one he thinks he has!
I’ll leave that one for you to work out!
Jesus man, quite a bloody adventure mate
Yes, it was quite an intense afternoon :P
Ignore the folk who criticised you, it’s all to easy to use hindsight with stuff like this. You did the absolute best you could in a horrendous situation. Tbh, to keep him alive, with those injuries, you did an amazing job!
Good stuff, I like how you use you’re common sense rather than going by the booklets