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Starship troopers is a federation with limited suffrage. It is still a form of democracy. You just have to earn the right to vote through federal service. The only people who get rejected from service, are those who the psychologists deem cannot understand the oath of service.
The reason why the asteroid hit then it's pretty simple it was relatively close and they just missed it the instead of saying that they didn't see asteroid the whole time they blamed it on the closest living species: edit just saw the whole video 😔
In a way it's nod to novel. In book there are instances of shifts in ranks, when some characters could be promoted or degradeted in mater of days. Of course this is during training or other instances outside combat missions. Over all film (and following sequels - both live-action and CGI animation) is loose adaptation (at best). Why Roanoke didn't even hinted that is beyond me.
Back in the day it was a real thing. All the way up to Korea, field promotions were extremely common. Guys would go to the pacific theatre as Pvts and come back as Sgts because so many NCO’s were killed in the fighting
I do love the way the book explains the logistical training requirements to keep a field promotion. That and how it clearly defines the basic rationale behind war or trade even enslavement to a point.
@@jacobwilson7030 Yeah but.. Field Sarge to Butterbar when he was barely out of Basic? No Officer-school?! That just ain't gonna happen. Some might even consider it a step down! :p Just a ribbing for all the real Loo(Lef?)-tenants out there, luv ya 4 realz. :p
The lack of strategy is actually intentional, at least on the film maker's part. The human being a large, alien invasion moving in a swarm with little to no planning or purpose, with the bugs being the ones actually using strategies to destroy the hateful invading force, it's the traditional alien vs. human story flipped on it's head.
It's kind of amusing how little the movie has to do with the book, because the filmmaker HATED the book and its author, claiming them total fascists. I do wonder if that made the movie better or worse. I want to believe it makes it better, because it's basically just 'dumb fun' now.
@@The_Foxymew he tried too hard to make hateful parody of the book that ended completely going all the way around and ended making a wonderful piece of dumb yet charming pro human propaganda.
@@literallyglados America is A. Not holding the entire worlds (and most like multiple hundreds of thousands of worlds) resources B. A state based around military (it has a large military but is not ruled by the military) C. Not really cutting the budget when in 2020 they spent 778 billion USD on its military, which was 39% of the global military budget (which tallied up to 1.98 trillion USD) and that number went up, from the 718.69 Billion it spent in 2019. It is increasing the budget
@@Joseph-xm4gz It's because of how absolutely mangled he looked without any of the prosthetics. Like, he was missing an eye, both legs, part of his arm, etc. It was to give all applicants a hard reality check on if this is the way they will go in life.
@@Joseph-xm4gz Because despite what idioys like to do... The Government is not fascistic. They do in fact, show you how terrible things are in hopes of making sure only people willing to take the risks and are willimg to put yourself in the way of others. They're actually a strange attempt at taking Sparta and transplanting it into a modern mindset.
@Dick Balls • 30 years ago about dissuading people from joining. If I saw mechanical prosthetics I would join definitely. Not via cyberpunk hype or anything of this sort but by 14-15 years of skin illness. The flesh is weak ^^ And about cacti. I cannot keep them alive. I had two exact cacti in one pot. First one became rotten from amount of water and second one dried.
I just gotta say for how old this movie is, the bugs still hold up and look amazing now, both the practical and cgi effects. Thanks for doing Starship Troopers videos! I also loved them as a kid and think 'how does any of this make sense?' as an adult lol
Yeah they did a good job. I believe the CGI company was the same company that did the CGI in the first Jurasic park movie. I think that company is still going today, being one of the best CGI and special effect companies today. Can't remember the name of it thou.
Yah bugs looked great but a couple of the movie's effects are a bit lacking, like the fake hand being stabbed and head being shot in basic training. I still loved it none the less...
@@fukkitful same thing with tremors. First movie used lot of practical puppets and stuff and looks great. Rest of the series relies heavily on cgi and look awful
@@Panda-cute True. The 2nd tremors wasn't terrible. But what I've of the rest wasn't worth the time I wasted watching. Didn't know there were 7 films now. Thats ridiculous .
If you read the novel, the recruiter reveals that he doesn't wear his prosthesis at the recruiting station intentionally to discourage those people who may not be ready for the price they may have to pay for serving.
@@MJesDK Which is why the movie is the way it is. It's paul Verhoeven skimming the book, proclaiming it as "facist" (its more of a hyper libertarian society), then making the movie to make fun of his preconcieved notion of the book. Then it unintentionally became a legendary film on the indomnitable human spirit, which made verhoeven seethe even more.
@@silverprimus321boi9hyper libertarian ( as we see today in- utero) is just fascism with a different label and at the otherside of the spectrum. It's all part of the same bird. It flies down snatches food out your mouth before it shits all over you and all you hold dear, just for it to do another pass. Politics is a Seagull, people want to protect it irrationally no matter the nuisance they are. The markings different on the wings is what people tend to focus on. They get all warm fuzzy feels when they see the baby gull try to fly. 😂
@@silverprimus321boi9 It became a legendary satire of facsism and yes the original book was facsist, it constantly glorified hyper militarism and a major thematic element was the idea of moral degeneracy a key part in fascist ideology
@randomspid3r142 it isn't fascist. Istg people just say that about everything that looks mildly militaristic these days. Heinleins novel depicts the society as a hyper libertarian meritocracy. Literally all the "facist" elements were just shoved in by verhoeven in the movie, but get contradicted by other details, like an actual chain of command, responsibility of the upper command, and whatnot.
Just an fyi: the opening scenes are further in the timeline, as it leads directly to the attack where Rico is badly injured. The orbital defense system you referenced a few times as ineffective wasn't established yet. It was made as a direct result of the Buenos Aires attack
Yeah, as mentioned previously there’s a theory that the plot of the bugs launch asteroids is just a propaganda tool for the government to expand into other regions. Kinda like the gulf of Tonkin incident which started the Vietnam war being completely fake. The Gulf War had the same situation, along with the Iraq War.
Really? I figured the message, since the movie takes the piss out of the military industrial complex that the movie portrays it was showing that they brag and brag how they have the best system for taking out asteroids but missed this one, hell I make the theory that the bugs didn't send the asteroid but was just missed by humanity and we blamed it on bugs.
Starship Troopers is one of the few movies where an audience can ask "Did the director even read the book?" and the answer has actually been verified as "No." Still a great movie.
More like “Director started reading the book. Realized it was a bunch of jingoistic garbage. Then made a movie as a fuck you specifically to the book.” Edit: and by making the movie a fuck you to the book, making a much better story than the book
@@dylanchouinard6141 yea your a chode dylan the book was gr8 and i always pictured the troopers like jump jet troopers from tiberium sun. awesome novel
@@lordpfeiffer8490 so you like fascism? You think fascism is a good thing? Because thats all the book was about. It was not a good book by any stretch of the word and the movie was literally a satire of the book.
Might I suggest that while you're doing the Starship Troopers episodes to also look at Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles and not just the movies. It was an animated series that fit more closely to Robert A. Heinlein's book, and as such not only includes the Skinnies alien race but also several Arachnid variations not present in the live action or cg films.
Here's how I always understood the discrepancy of the opening scene with the planetary defenses. Because it starts out with the invasion and Rico yelling at the camera man, it was showing a flash forward; so we get the call to join, preview of the upgraded defenses, and then the invasion clip. Once that clip is done, it does a flash back to start telling Ricos story, where Buenos Aires is attacked before the defenses are upgraded.
exactly, the asteroid defenses were constructed as a result of the first strike. The amount of people who forget that the start of the film takes place 1 year ahead of where the main story starts is baffling.
I think the common consensus is that the asteroid was actually launched by the government as an excuse to go to war, which easily explains away that "massive plot hole". It's pretty much the 9/11 conspiracy before 9/11 happened.
It’s also a theory that it was a false flag attack to get support for the war. I think a lot of the “dumb stuff” people do in this movie is intentional to show how a war obsessed fascist society is inherently illogical.
Friendly fire. Shrapnel from the really powerful grenades. More shrapnel and debris from man portable miniature self propelled nuclear warheads. And just plain falling and getting scuffed up.
DJ Weapon irl most of the armour like knee pads and such a bullet will rip right through most of the average soldier is exposed the only protection is the upper torso even the gut isn’t protected it’s just a small plate on the front and back and a helmet because the two most aimed for places are upper torso and head. Arm and leg shots aren’t common and aren’t that deadly considering someone can realistically survive losing a arm or leg. Meaning it’s not completely vital (though it really sucks) ideally you would cover the whole body but you have to deal with head build up and weight issues for every bit of armour you add to your arms that’s armour that isn’t protecting your head or neck somewhere that’s more necessary to protect ideally the whole body would be covered but like that’s only if the full body protection is comfortable like imagine I told you to run around with 100 pounds of armour you would probably not want to it’s like why people don’t wear body armour in daily life because most of the time you don’t need it and it’s dead weight but if you need it you need it. Soldiers died because they were using EOD suits and they were too slow to avoid bullets and the suit even though it’s better protection than a regular suit and can stop bullets to the torso and has shrapnel protection all around. It isn’t enough to outweigh the mobility. So with armour most of it is just so you don’t get scuffed up because falling hurts and if you fall the wrong way it can mess you up and some of the armour is for actually stopping bullets
@@deleteduser3455 obviously the knee pads will do jack shit against bullets. But as I said, its for not getting injured from falls or getting scuffed up when taking a knee. Like real militaries do.
Also in the book the armor was much more advanced, being able to resist up to autocannon rounds, and having a variety of sensors and communications systems, as well as jumpjets. Apparently the reason for not having this in the movie was due to CGI limitations.
The communication equipment requires fingers and I used to imagine the Arachnids just carefully using their claws to type in the code to send the distress code. If they screw up then they gotta start over again and brain bug just yelling at them to hurry up.
The knife thing, disabling the enemies hand so they can't use their weapons, does have a bit of a pay off in the end.. Carmen uses the knife to cut the brain probe off of the brain bug, technically disabling the enemies ability to use a powerful weapon of theirs
In the book, the response to the question doesn't even involve a knife. It launches into a lecture from the Sargent about how sometimes lethal force is massive overkill and completely inappropriate when a milder response would be perfectly adequate.
@@ClokworkGremlin i mean the version of the movie sets the tone of how brutal the training is and how unprepared the mobile infantry at least were at fighting against the bugs. Also THE ENEMY CANNOT FIGHT IF YOU DISABLE HIS HAND
@@ClokworkGremlin Are you sure? I think they use a knife as an example. Like it being quieter and your expected to do whatever they tell you to do, the freeze command being a good example.
I love how when Carmen discovers the asteroid flying at them her co-pilot keeps saying "wait for it, wait for it" before diving downwards.....they could have started diving immediately, saving the thousands on board the ship, saving the antenna and saving Earth the asteroid strike.... haha wait for it.....wait for it....
Based on modern shipping design I always assumed she scraped the bridge of the ship off haha. I always thought she was about to die when she did that lol
They couldn't see anything in the first place. That planet is light years away. That asteroid should be travelling way faster than light (I don't know how), while the ship is going faster than light too in the opposite direction. But they manage to see it coming slowly 😂 That scene is absolute BS, but I love this movie.
@@The-Man-On-The-Mountain I love this movie also but yes, that asteroid would have to be traveling WAY faster then light to reach earth that quickly haha
The knife scene does bare weight in the story. At the end she cuts the brain bug with it disabling its ability to suck out brains. The enemy’s WMD was basically disabled because it could no longer use its appendage to suck brains. Just like Zims answer to Ace, the enemy cannot push a button if you disable it’s hand. I was Infantry in the Army and there were 3 things I was told to have on me at all times; a knife, a watch, and a good pen. I would expect that even in the future, we will still be encouraged to carry a knife just because of how utilitarian knives are. Your survival chances are greatly improved by having a knife, you can tie it to a stick to make a spear for defense or hunting, you can baton wood to make a fire, you can chop branches to make a shelter. Plus you can stab someone. Again very utilitarian.
If more weapons are needed for survival or defense of a larger group, you can sharpen sticks easily if you have a knife. As long as war is fought with human soldiers, having a knife will ALWAYS be useful.
The Roughnecks animated series introduces nurse bugs that consume local lifeforms to make a genetic slurry they feed to the larvae to adapt the castes.
@Absolom Hellgate it’s a very old show but you can still buy the series on Amazon which by buying all their series disks it was worth it to have the full series collection
@@GeryonM Wouldn't be Starship Troopers without the boring humans. The series and the novel it's based off of is a satirical commentary on overly zealous, overbearing military societies, after all.
For everybody talking about “why the army didnt do X” or “why dont they have X thats dumb” Yea. Thats the point. We commonly see humans using their superior tactics to fight an expendable horde of poorly managed troops. But instead we see humans being outplayed time and time again by the smart bugs while the mobile infantry are seen as expendable hordes of troops so they aren’t really considered tactically
If you watch the movie, it is actually done to promote Terran Confederacy. Government owns up to its mistake, leader resigns. New leader dramatically changes strategy in how war is being fought which is superior to bugs strategies.
@@REgamesplayer SM Tehat Meru knocked it out of the park. She knew that capturing a brain bug was pretty much the only hope of humans understanding the goals, strategies and capabilities of the bugs, since they were so utterly alien to us. She started putting out vulnerable advance teams into potentially hostile bug territory so they could entice out and spot a brain bug, then she had a whole ass invasion force on standby to swoop in the moment one was confirmed. Pretty clever.
My instincts tell me that decomposing Terminids into an organic (carbon based) oil in an /efficient/ manner is biologically impossible because molecules are essentially batteries for the energy that was used to make them. It takes millions of years, high pressures and high heats to turn ~100kg of dead life into ~100kg of oil beneath the Earth's crust. Without that input of heat, pressure and time you simply couldn't turn 100kg of dead stuff into the same amount of oil. Now if you did kill 2.25 million metric tons of Terminids (roughly the total mass of ants on Earth) with a 50% conversion to oil rate you could make 8 million barrels of oil. This sounds like a lot, but the Earth in 2023 used on average 20 million barrels PER DAY. So even if that rare oil skips all of the refining costs humans currently spend on crude oil, it still would mean xenociding 2-3 planets of Terminids per day to meet some modest (by interstellar standards) energy consumption. But we do see a lot of solar panels on Super Earth, so maybe the oil is used for something different than direct energy consumption. My best bet? Space lube :)
Many crustaceans (especially decapods) have partially closed circulatory system (arteries, strong heart etc.) which actually performs similarly to small mammals (mainly rodents). So yes an arthropod can breathe oxygen efficiently even with a semi-closed circulatory system! As for how Klendathu has life and an atmosphere, in some bonus info by the movie team it's implied the Bugs have a fungus or at least fungoid farm underground (like ants and termites) for food, I assume these fungi also produce oxygen. It's also implied the planet is barren because the Bugs pretty much devoured all organic matter aside from the fungus.
@@kennethferland5579 That's why I said fungoid, it behaves like fungus but might be bacteria colony or even more close to plants, what I'm saying is that it's a farmable organic substance that the Bugs use as food much like how termites and ants utilize fungus farms.
@@buggyboy2849 most oxygen on earth is produced by bacteria actually, its also how we get the trace elements our bodies and plants and animals need out of the ground, bacteria mines that stuff atom by atom in a recycling system, otherwise we would slowly deplete our trace element supply as it oxidises and becomes rock.
I know the movie was a commentary, but I was here for the bugs. Nice video on one of my favorite movies, Roanoke. Edit: I merely mentioned the movie was a commentary, ya'll need to chill. I really don't care about the commentary.
@@RoanokeGaming I'm dreading the part where you cover the Imposters. Thats my worst nightmare. Something alive, like that, crawling INTO you. Theres no defense either, once its in, you're done.
A lot of these “commentary” books/movies etc fail or get sucked into their own lore too much. Making it less commentary and more intriguing and “cool”.
@Vulkan Lives Yeah, this movie actually had the inverse message from what I’m guessing was intended (fascism bad) in reality the message of the movie is (military government: effective) at least to me. I saw it as a pretty good system. Didn’t ever get the impression of totalitarianism, or fascism. In a cinematic Universe with such hostile aliens it’s no surprise the human race would adopt a very bigoted stance against the bugs. You see Ender’s Game actually did this pretty well because the whole war against the bugs in that movie was started by an accident, they tried to harvest Earth & didn’t realize anyone was there until quite a few people were dead. They left in peace once they realized the mistake but humanity adopted a bitter hatred of their species, and pursued them into their own systems eventually leading to the “victory by total genocide” outcome we see at the end of the film. Starship Troopers never paints the bugs as “misunderstood” or anything else. They are portrayed as a ravenous, ever-expanding species of extremely hostile insects. Therefore the human supremacy is not only justified, it also serves a valuable purpose by giving humanity a common enemy, therefore uniting Earth for a “greater” purpose.
The Imperial Guardsmen are (like most in 40k) most likely religious zealots who would happily die for the Emperor. Their tactics mostly center around outnumbering the enemy.
@@robertsmalls2293 while its true that the IG levages their numbers that is by far not the only tactic only the meme. The Deathkorps of Krieg yes they charge first ask later but even them prefere to hammer the enemy with shells for days beforehand. Cadian regiments always try to go combined forces with tank and long range support. Tanith 1st and only heavily relies on scouting and sniping warfare Catchan Devils up that by adding massive amounts of Gorrila warfare to the mix Yes the IG is a wall of guns but they don't zergrush if its not absolutly nessecary and a General wasting the Emperors Hammer needlesly could end up either facing down the barrel of a gun from a Commisar or get questions from a pissed inqusitor... in some cases a backhand by a space marine chaptermaster is also posdible depending if they are around and what chapter Also outnummbering only works against minor xenos,eldar,tau and necrons and the later 3 have way better guns. Greenskins and Tyranids can easly outnumber the guard heck the former one will outnumber the guards. And full on Chaos forces can also outnumber a whole Crusade
@@robertsmalls2293 yes, outnumbering enemy with tanks, artillery and squad weaponry. Human wave memetic stereotype was born solely out of incompetent players themselves being too cheap to buy proper units and from misinterpreting image of Krieg(based on french WWI experience) onto whole of the guard.
The human technology being inconsistent at 12:09 is practically only due to budgetary limitations with the film. The original book places the average soldier in a suit of mechanized armor that makes them hop around the landscape with jet propulsion.
@@harveyanimations8974 Essentially, if doom slayer looked like an overgrown albino gorilla. Haven't read the book for a while, but I'm pretty sure that's the official description of the mech suits.
In the book the bugs have advanced technology, things like FTL capable starships, infantry based energy weapons, and subterranean industrial infrastructure. Its said that the human ships are better and more capable, but that infantry fighting is a challenge as the bugs are able to spawn fully combat capable, where humans require months of training to become combat effective.
@@MVEZombie I listen to the book a couple times a year at work, it's the bugs. The skinnies are talked about at the very beginning of the book, and around the middle of the book, he does a synopsis of the bug tech, advantages and disadvantages.
The funny thing is Dizzy might have lived if he left the leg in her torso. The limb was holding the wound closed. (That's why they tell you to never remove a knife that's imbedded in a stab victim until they get to the ER.)
@@miming3679 Not to mention the sheer size of those wounds, advanced space tech or not you're gonna bleed out from an injury like that before they can get you in their version of a bacta tank. Her lung was almost entirely split in half from that bug leg no doubt, she was DOA before she even got on the shuttle For context its basically the same as having a helicopter tail rotor blade stab you in the chest
humans: * has perfected the complex limb that is the arm to the point where it can match in tone and size to the mirroring real arm* also humans: *cant bother figuring out how to make prosthetic legs*
Not feasable, our species would have to flip a genetic 180 turn in our evolutionary path. It'd be easier to develope night vision and sharp hearing, than limb regeneration.
It always bugged me when Dizzy is running back to the ship and gets caught by the bug, if Rico hadn't shouted her name she would have made it back to the ship.
Somewhat true. Honestly, if he had just started shooting it rather than yelling, causing her to slow and turn, THEN begin shooting it...the bug may have slowed or even started waving off as being lit up. Which woulda gotten her attention to the dangers behind her and allowed her time to flee or light it up as well. But, that wasn't in script sadly. I wish they had followed a tad more on the Roughneck Chronicles than the book.
@@GrySgtBubba Tbf, roughnecks didnt air until later-and its style only really works as a show. I hope that the films and Terran Command garner enough attention for a Roughnecks reboot. 'Lost patrol: Starship Troopers Chronicles".
"Why are they wearing armor it slows you down and does nothing against these things" IDk stray rounds fragmentation from grenades the bugs do shoot stingers at one point in the tv show
@Zman 1471 308 has a ton of stopping power & punches right through armor I have always wondered why they use infantry at all why not just do what we do to bugs in our own world just gas em
@Zman 1471 Well if you remember the part of the movie where the bugs are attacking the fort for some reason the troopers dont open fire until the bugs are right up against the wall but with the 308 they could have been dropping bugs at hundreds of yards with a shotgun you would have to let the bugs get allot closer also if you do remember their rifle has a underslung shotgun so they have access to both
The defense system they were talking about in the beginning was a direct result of the meteor attack on Buenos Aries. The movie tells you its going back months or weeks or something like that via text on the screen at the end of the opening battle.
3:50 actually in the novel he later comes across Rico outside the recruitment center and tells him: "Relax, boy. I don't have to do the after hours horror show, and I don't. ("The man was wearing civilian clothes, walking on two legs and had two arms.")
Fun fact: The guy who did the CGI on this movie went on to also do the CGI for the Jurassic Park trilogy and is heralded as an absolute genius within the movie community, and it all started in this movie that many people hate or dont know about. I for one loved this movie as a kid and still do, thought the sequels were pretty bleh.
I remember both Jurasic Park & Starship Troopers coming out in Theaters, Starship Troopers was several years later so something doesn't add up with your fun fact.
@@LoneWolf-kw3ol I see that Phil Tippet worked on Starship Troopers & some of the Jurassic Park movies, not sure if he'd be the guy you are talking about.
@@Vscustomprinting ive been watching this movie since i was a wee lad, plenty of people dont like it but for the same reasons, "it glorifies communism" "it has no depth" "it didnt even have any noteable actors/awards/press coverage" "the sequels were so bad, why would i watch the original" Basically, the only people ive met who dont like it know nothing about it/dont like anything that doesnt have a shirtless jason momoa or john cena acting like every 90s tuff guy jock ever
Several people die in training in the book. Also the person missing limbs at the recruitment desk is used to discourage people from enlisting. He has robotic limbs that look and act like regular limbs but at the time the main character enlist the military is actively discouraging it.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Whoever wrote the script did, as a lot of stuff snuck in via dialog. But obviously the director framed it in the way he wanted, but even then the way its described in universe by the characters and how the plot goes, doesn't always jibe with how the director intended to to portray things.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballzThe film version of scene is presented basically the same way, just not as an outwardly deliberate deterrent. The clerks confidence when he says “mobile infantry made me the man I am today” followed by a zoom on his missing limbs is one of the many deliberate satires of fascism and militarism in the film, because contrary to what you believe Verhoeven isn’t an idiot. He didn’t finish the book because he thought it was fascist trash and had come to his own vision for the adaptation.
I was watching this movie with a friend and mentioned how this movie is meant to be a satire of Fascism and he’s like “No it’s not.” I go on to explain that the director lived through Nazi occupation and pointed out the fascistic and Nazi like imagery and he starts to get it. He just thought it was a fun futuristic war film. He’s not the brightest crayon in the box but he’s a good friend lol.
Actually, Roanoke, if I remember correctly, the movie starts at the "current day" and then does a long *flashback* to basic training. So the "planetary defense system that they were bragging about" wasn't built (or at least, wasn't completed) until *after* the asteroid that hit Buenos Aires. Now, whether or not you can build something that size in just a few months is an entirely different plot hole. Of course, I may *not* be remembering correctly, in which case I could be totally wrong.
In either case, it can’t cover all point of the planet. Though considering the speed one should be able to detect the rock coming through space and they have ships around earth and other that could just jump and intercept even without the moon system which is still mostly a space station just with weapons mounted. So there should still be orbiting stations around earth with weapons, like in Halo.
i had actually heard a theory that humanity bombed themselves with the asteroids to build patriotism so they can declare war on the bugs with no public outcry.
You are not mistaken at all. The movie starts with the planetary defense system, then goes live to the invasion of big K, then goes back one year. The moon base could have been in place, the astroid detection system as well (remember, we see them as a threat today already, and want to look for them) just the means to blow them up were added. So this might be less conspiracy confirming then it looks Also, what destroyed Zegema Beach? The Roughnecks were there before Rico joined them. What fight went on there?
Building something quickly isn’t a plot hole. If slow construction speeds were a vital part of the plot only for them to build something quickly with no explanation, that might be a plot hole.
I dont think the asteroid is a plot hole, just something youd need to think about. If you want to colonize all the planets, well... best way to start that up is a war. I'm saying it was claimed to be the bugs, it was not the bugs, and it's an excuse for war.
It could also be a coincidence and the asteroid is neither from the bugs or a false flag operation but a natural occurred one. The federation just exploited the situation. Well it's not much of a different.
One could also imagine that the bugs, being capable of colonizing other star systems do have a means of FTL just as the Terrans do. Perhaps they had the ability to use this capability to drop an Asteroid on a path with Earth. or more likely, could have inserted some kind of forward operations and dislodged an asteroid from our own Asteroid Belt.
Just so you know Roanoke, there was an animated series called “Roughnecks: Starship Trooper Chronicles” that expands a ton on the bugs and their species. It doesn’t follow the same storyline as the movies, but I grew up watching it and freaking love it.
That's the closest thing to the novel and MIs wearing powered armor. In the book MI numbers are actually very low compared to the Bugs and only a handful are able graduate.
My mom knew my love for starship troopers when I was younger and when she found the roughnecks chronicles on vhs she bought them for me and I miss watching it, we no longer own them since she got rid of everything on vhs which she regrets but roughnecks was so amazing with expanding the starship troopers universe more than the crappy second and third live action films did
The anti-asteroid defense system was placed in response to the attack on Earth, implemented at the same time of the first attack on the bugs: hence why the news feed goes live to the invasion.
The most brilliant part of this movie is how meta it is. My interpretation is that this was meant to be a propaganda film in universe being shown on TV and thats why there are all those interrupts with "would you like to know more?"
The only issue with that idea is that in most propaganda films no matter what country makes it, it builds their army up to be the ultimate warrior who no others can beat and definitely wouldn't show people getting mowed down in violent and excruciating ways.
@@Goldenkitten1 While yes you’re right on that, the “would you like to know more?” Segments are SUPER reminiscent of American and German WW2 propaganda films that would be shown before the screening of a movie
@@stuglife5514 about the German army bit, it is pretty on the nose given that the uniforms seen wearing by certain military members looks very Nazi-esque
Everybody always compares that to Fascist propaganda. The uniforms were a deliberate choice added for the movie. But they livestream the battles. They actually do the opposite of propaganda, they show you exactly what's going on. In the book, they actually try to discourage people from joining the military. That's why the guy who takes thier paperwork is missing two legs and an arm. He is out there on purpose to discourage you. Also you are free to leave the service any time you want. It's all volunteer.
I never understood why they didn’t give their soldiers better rounds. It took so much ammo to bring an arachnid down. Like a bigger armor piercing round at least. If you have spaceships and warp capability you would think you would want your human cargo to be the best at fighting. I would like to know more.
Exactly. And after knowing the bugs use overwhelming force to defeat enemies. explosive weapons, artillery, and air/orbital bombardment should have become very common.
20 in grenades for a mounted grenade launcher would be good & mines A triggerable minefield, after they get to the front one you have the second one behind them prevent reinforcements & RPGs
It's not WHAT they fire, it's WHERE they hit. The guy in the propoganda ad said to "aim for the nerve stem" which brought the bug down in like, 2 shots when it tanked 6-10 rounds on other parts. The troopers normally die since they don't aim, they do the spray and pray manuever
@Dick Balls • 30 years ago "They're doomed. Yes. But there is grace in their failings. A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts. It's a privilege to be among them." -The Vision, Avengers: Age Of Ultron The most destructive and horrific of nature's creations are the most beautiful: Stars, Black Holes, Quasars, Volcanoes, Supernovas, Tsunamis, Hurricanes. All look beautiful from a distance...but are terrifying events of pure chaos in their heart. Should a Star not exist simply because it does nothing but burn and destroy? If they didn't we would not be here. Should a Black Hole not exist because it does nothing but consume? We have every right to exist and by the law of nature we do...we owe it to ourselves to find out why...or die trying...or at least make a reason why.
both in the book and the movies they still use democracy.. the leaders are voted for... the thing they dont have is universal voting rights.. u have to serve to vote, the right to serve is universal tho.
@@mitte90 Well put. Maybe I could have made that distinction to clarify my opinion but with most people today democracy means a voting free-for-all so I didn't feel that my comment needed much more explanation. And judging by most replies I think I was right dumb it down. We have a system that empowers corruption because half the people voting are just the kind of people you wouldn't want running a bake sale, let alone your country. Last year the city of Chicago had 100 shootings in one single weekend. The city of Baltimore had not one student out of 16 schools graduate with a high school reading level. Do we really want every person with a pulse voting?
The book is wildly different from the movie. The only similarities are the character names and how they refer to the hostile forces as bugs, but even their description is completely different from the movie portrayal.
Okay, regarding the asteroid defense system because I see it mentioned several times and it's becoming a pet peeve: That asteroid defense system was built AFTER the attack on Buenos Aires. The opening sequence which mentions it takes place after Rico finishes boot camp and they signal this in two ways - first by showing Rico getting injured in the opening sequence and then showing him just fine in school indicating that this was before he enlisted, and secondly when they cut to the invasion of Klendathu and you see the reporter saying the same lines from the beginning. Like, this isn't even something where you have to squint or really think about it: the movie does take the time to signal the asteroid defense thing was built after the attack, not before. Of course, how they managed to put such a megastructure together in a period of, at most, months is a huge question mark. As far as distance goes... yeah, that's something where there is nothing in text or subtext that would explain that unless they clearly established the bugs having FTL capabilities that allow them to transport rocks close to their targets (which would create new plot holes). I mean, given how they establish repeatedly how the media sequences are wholly unreliable (events on screen frequently contradict the story the media cuts tell and only occasionally line up or have useful information), and that anybody with even a basic understanding of the light speed limit would see the problem here, and how the movie's creators were notoriously anti-fascist and intended us to view the Federation as being positively absurd, I can absolutely see them arranging a false-flag attack that kills millions to sell to their people on a war that is just a blatant land grab for living space they don't really need.
I think when Carmen cuts off the brain bugs appendage, it's sprays ichor pretty violently. In my mind this kind of supports your circulatory system theory, since spraying blood/ichor would require a fair bit of arterial pressure. I know it was just an effect in a cheesy movie, but as long as we are all good to overanalyze... lol
Answering your asteroid questions. 1. It's subtly implied that the asteroid was just a random asteroid and the sky marshall used it as an excuse to go to war. Edit: oh you guessed this later haha 2. The beginning of the movie takes place in the future at the initial klendathu invasion and then goes back in time so the astroid defense station hadn't been built yet.
I honestly assumed it was a false flag operation. I figured the government purposefully diverted the asteroid to justify war and garner massive war support.
1. The book makes it quite clear that this is not the case and the movie's director wouldn't know subtle if it hit him over the head with a fish. The bugs begin hostilities after Mormon settlers go to ground on a planet that the Federation expressly told them not to go to, and shortly thereafter said bugs throw the meteor our way, towards a large population center. The movie's edited in such a way that this isn't apparent to many viewers. 2. Correct.
That's the movie bug. The novel bugs have ranged weapons, beam weapons and they probably have armor plating since they are on par with humans in technology. Cyber Bugs.
They're mirroring what happened in the book. but due to the way they portray the arachnid empire in the movie you lose the context the bugs are an inteligent space faring empire that decided to bomb their biggest competitor after getting a tip off of earth's precise coordinates by a third faction that was questioning on who to ally with.
You need to rewatch the movie. It's not implied, at all. The movie does scenes chronologically out of order. The bugs threw the meteor BEFORE the defense system existed.
@@SirGriffin87 it's not outright said, but I'm pretty sure even the director knew the timing of the asteroid didn't make any sense if it was intentional.
@@wiseguy01 Yes it would take that long for the steroid to get there, but that also doesn't change the fact that the implication of the false flag does not exist, and for explanation on the asteroid attack I would refer you to Flyboy's reply, just like in the book it was indeed the bugs that attacked first it's just in the movie the Arachnids don't have all their nifty tech, therefore we get a yadda yadda'd asteroid attack.
Its more of a parody of all of these and a satire of militaristic nations. The perfect description would be ''Anti-Star Trek" - instead of peaceful utopia that solves everything with diplomacy, its a fear-mongering authoritarian regime that is built solely on violence and the need of an ''enemy''.
First Predator, then Tremors, and now Starship Troopers. You are helping me relive and understand movies that traumatized me as a child, but now fascinate me as an adult. Thank you very much for all of your hard work and research, Roanoke.
You have opened a whole can of “bugs” and you need to be ready to do your part. Also you need to watch Roughnecks starship troopers chronicles it’s really good and also introduces an even wider variety of bugs
Granted it's a different species from "the Bugs," but in the beginning they did dissect an alien beetle. They specifically removed lungs from that beetle, implying a cardiopulmonary system something like tetrapods on Earth. Therefore, large arthropod-analogues having a circulatory system is an established part of the movie. I feel that you're biological analysis is on point. "They're aliens" can establish that they have a circulatory system, but it can't make them magic.
Those beetles are seen when the platoon was sent to that settlement, Rico notices them in the chow hall. Also those same beetles are seen when Carmen and the other guy, encounter the brain bug
Those are arachnid bug-types, they're called Chariot Bugs. Small-scale workers/tunnelers, mine-clearers and mobility-systems for Brain Bugs. Mostly harmless but their bites they can slice through flesh, bone and ballistic armor with ease (they bite through stone and ore, it's understandable).
So in the animated show, The Roughnecks: Starship Troopers, humanity actually does use sealed power armour suits on planets like Klendathu. The show is just so much better than the films in almost every way, tbh.
If i remember, it's implied that the Arachnids are different species, and the Brain Bugs use telepathy to make them into a cohesive unit: in one episode I saw, they kill a brain, and the soldier bugs start eating the plasma bugs!
The knife training scene is a perfect example of the difference in purpose of the authors of the book and the movie. The movie is contemptuous of the type of people it depicts. While in the book, the drill sergeant goes into a lecture on degrees of force and their purpose. Also, in the book, they didn't do away with Democracy, but universal franchise Democracy. Reducing the franchise to those who earn the power.
SGT Charles Zim, p. 61; responding to Ted Hendrick's question on the purpose of knife-throwing. "If you wanted to teach a baby a lesson, would you cut its head off? Of course not. You'd paddle it. There can be circumstances when it's just as foolish to hit an enemy city with an H-bomb as it would be to spank a baby with an axe. War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government's decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him...but to make him do what you want him to do. Not killing...but controlled and purposeful violence. But it's not your business or mine to decide the purpose of the control. It's never a soldier's business to decide when or where or how-or why-he fights; that belongs to the statesmen and the generals. The statesmen decide why and how much; the generals take it from there and tell us where and when and how. We supply the violence; other people-'older and wiser heads,' as they say-supply the control. Which is as it should be."
@@voilvelev6775 There is never a need of enemies. There is always a constant glut of supply on that end. You can make it in their best interest to not be openly hostile, but you will never eliminate the future possibilities of hostilities. Nature is a war of all against all. The prey in an arms race with its predator. The predator in a war for territory against its species. Resources in the universe may be effectively infinite, but access to resources is a growing but still zero-sum game for which any group which seeks to survive must be willing to defend what is theirs. Lest others take it, and then defend it against its original holders. That said: the book's civilization is not built on such a need. There are many routes to citizenship, the book just follows the career of one soldier during a period of war with an alien species. (A number of them, actually, as the book starts with a raid on a species allied with the bugs.) The only people who think it is are exactly the type of people who should be kept away from power at all costs. Like Verhoeven. Further, it is not the society that Verhoeven is contemptuous of, it is soldiers, patriots, and those willing to sacrifice to maintain a society.
@@firebornliger you’re right but you’re over complicating it, the book Federation is a government where political power is reserved, not for an aristocrat class or the loudest voice in a room, but for those that are willing to sacrifice to make a safe and free society, watch Arch’s video on that to see the pros and cons, by trying to say that is fascist while not even bothering to put actual examples of fascism in the governmental system Verhoeven basically says that the noble aspects of human character patriotism self-sacrifice etc. are fascist, in other words nobility of spirit is fascist; this is the stumbling block that keeps it from being a great movie, it switches back And forth from being a movie about heroes who do heroic things, to telling you to hate these people without giving you a reason to, so to enjoy the movie you have to ignore one or the other portrayal.
"Violence the supreme authority that all other authorities derive from" ........ No lies detected, and probably one of the most reality check quotes in movie history.
Literal basic sociology theory based around the time of the initial social contracts where the citizenry would give the monopoly of violence to the state. Not a very complex concept but it seems he missed that.
@@Kydino I wouldn't over complicate it a food chain could be a basic example a elephant while far bigger and more Superior knows better to graze too close to a lion.
Only as long as you are the top of the food chain... That changes when something superior to you comes along...One problem with that theory...you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. Violence solves nothing.
@@tomthebomb557 the elephant is the superior animal it would win 9 out of 10 times it's respects for the Lion because it's aware of the violence it is capable of. And everyone dies if it's some peaceful or reassurance into nothingness you're looking for I suggest religion.
@@tomthebomb557 you can keep your humanity denial to yourself bud, the price for freedom and peace is eternal vigilance and keeping your nation strapped is the easiest way to get that, ask any country without nukes that went against the us interests and find what happened.
3:47 You're missing the point, as did the movie. In the book, that same clerk walks home after his day's done (he's also far less pleasant to all applicants, minus the women, as those are always in demand for the navy), but for his job, he takes off his leg prosthetics. This is designed to weed out weak-willed applicants and is essentially the first test in a long series of tests to determine if said person has what it takes to wield political authority. Note: They absolutely can regrow body parts (as seen later in the movie), but it's more expensive than using cybernetic prosthetics and would undermine the job said clerk has.
I'm thinking that their planet's ecosystem is based upon them. They eat their dead, fresh alien meat, and dirt while doing something similar to plants (photosynthesis) but instead of eating light, they consume heat to do the same job. Kill all the bugs on a bug planet and you kill that planet's only participating member of their ecosystem. Look at the various things bugs on Earth do, becoming the only factor in a heated ecosystem for atmospheric things as long as they are large and dominating the planet isn't much of a reach. I mean, they can fart plasma into space... having a caste that farts out oxygen is not an insane idea.
@@yoboikamil525 "Stop talking sh^t about my purpose! Without our farts, we all die!" But, then again, they are born into being fanatically loyal to their purpose and loving it. If they were born with minds like ours, it'd be like that butter-passing robot on Rick & Morty.
The canyon and rock formations may indicate that the planet was a world that once possessed an ocean but lost it due to maybe when a second sun decided to pop in, saw the other sun and had an infinite dance battle? I mean, weirder stuff happen in real life. It could be possible that another rogue sun just said sup bro to the other one touching base then realizing he couldn't leave.
I feel like trying to read up on the old Starship Troopers RPG (which combines elements of the Book, Movie, and old TV series together) might help to better understand the bugs and how they can be a threat to humanity, and lob an asteroid at Earth. I personally always thought that they used the 'Bug Ships' (which are pretty much just the bug answer to Space Whales) from the show to grab an asteroid and either redirect it, or carry it to the Sol system and let it go, firing it randomly at Earth. Plus with multiple Brainbugs working together maybe they can do the calculations needed to strike at Earth from that kind of distance.
Your missing the "billions of years of light speed travel" part unless they can warp a space rock they arent doing to the earth before the sun can consume it
@@Strawberrymilkdrink Good point. I was about to suggest the ship picked up the asteroid and then moved at FTL before letting it go but we don't really see much evidence of that, and the rock might not survive the trip.
@@liliththesolarexalted2206 not to mention the ship bug wouldn't survive without some form of energy shield and generate thrust to get it to light speed very quickly then your just asking why aren't they full frontal attacking the humans
@@Strawberrymilkdrink Well at the least they do have plasma engines (of a sort), the plasma bugs can fire up into space so its not that difficult to imagine the large ship bug having a similar mechanism for its engines. Though yeah i cant see how they have FTL unless its space magic.
@@Strawberrymilkdrink That literally happens in the movie. Izzy pilots her ship at the edge of Sol, where a meteor gets warped in out of nowhere. Taking out their comms and hitting Earth
Fun fact about the asteroid annihilating Buenos Ares, it's Carmen's fault if it hit earth at all: Besides the facts Roanoke pointed out, if her ship had not hit the asteroid in the exact way it did, up to the millimeter of steel thickness, it would have missed, she nudged it into earth by hitting it.
Or if the ship had a backup comm system, or some sort of orders to make contact to get replacement comms equipment, or anything else that could have been done to restore communications. Right? Or if the asteroid was one of the Bugs, it just adjusted course after they were out of sight (non-Bug presence came from certain direction, change course to go in that direction)
If you haven’t read the book..DO IT!....It was written in the late 50’s (if I remember correctly) and predicted tons of sci fi elements. Power armor, heads up displays etc...Also the arachnids in the boom look more like earth spiders and they had their own ships and underground cities so they have tech in the book...Also there’s a third race called “the skinnies” that are allied to the arachnids at first..The main character burns down a room full of skinny kids with a flamethrower...The book is a little more hardcore.
Loved this film when it came out and a few years later this movie was made even better for me when I found out my future father-in-law was in the movie @10:14. Him being the tall guy in the all black clothes with black hair in the back left side of the healing tube in the corridor walking back and forth in between it. Where I heard his motivation in that scene was "where is the bathroom?" xD Still great video all around 👍
Rico shooting the prof. in the gut instead of the head has always lived with me. Like wtf man instead of one in the dome the prof. gets two in the gut. Really shows Rico's respect for the man. 😅
It just is one examples of his ineptitude while surviving and being promoted. He's the living embodiment of the stupidity of the government in the series
He shot Rasczakin the chest, which, with the 7.62x51mm round the Moritas fired, was a guaranteed kill. A headshot is actually survivable in some cases, and therefore not a guaranteed kill. Rico's method ensured a quick, relatively painless death - Rasczak was long dead by the time the tanker breached the compound. It's the same reason hunters don't go for the head on big game - the heart and lungs guarantee a kill with as little pain and suffering as possible.
Considering the god bugs later on can obviously interact instantaneously across the entire galaxy, the bugs having some level of access to slipspace and being able to bypass the asteroid defense makes some level of sense. Or it could have just been a false flag. Either way, it actually kinda makes sense.
I always just assumed it was a false flag to give humanity a casus belli for war and stir patriotism to get a rash of recruits. The idea that the bugs redirected the asteroid from Klendathu would imply they did so before humanity had even spawned into existence on Earth lmao.
My only comment (and I don’t know how many others have commented this): at the beginning of the film, when they are talking on the infomercial about the planetary defence, the news cuts to the invasion of Klendathu being underway - it then cuts to a year earlier with Johnny in school. The first asteroid that Carman misses, that wipes out Johnny’s home, happens before the planetary defence is built. It gets built because of that one asteroid. That is also why Johnny appears on Klendathu at the start of the film, telling the cameraman to “get out of here now”... that scene plays out later with the cameraman getting impaled
"Kinda seems like humans are becoming the covenant at this point" I dont hate thr covenant for what they do, i hate them for being xenos who must be purged
@@chiefsenpai969 It’s funny how even if they didn’t mistranslate it, the prophets would still cover it up and try to murder us all to maintain their power.
@@purpleemerald5299 It would atleast give a chance for an earlier "Great Schism", with some of the Covenant witnessing the proof of Humans being the Reclaimers first-hand
8:30 This part not making sense... Is the point... Its a satire of fascist regimes, one of the identifiers for fascism is marking your enemy as "dangerously smart" and also "weak and stupid." Simultaneously. Which is why throughout the film, the Bugs are stated to be no smarter than animals, yet are also so smart they can hurl asteroids across the galaxy with precision to strike at human civilization. The asteroids were never sent by the bugs, they are just random asteroids, and its heavily implied that Carmon hitting the asteroid causes it to hit Buenos Aires, which is something the government wants, to incite a war. The American Way, baby.
I always thought the asteroid stuff was just a random rock that was around and the big wigs decided to let it hit Earth instead of destroying it in orbit so they could blame the bugs and go all out in war.
Ok let's try to explain something here. The asteroid shown at the beginning of the movie is actually happening in the future. The asteroid that hits earth is the same one that Carmen encountered where the communication section of the ship was lost. Thus they were unable to warn earth, which then strikes the earth.
@@KG-jm1zl You're right. But there is still some weight to the idea that the asteroid was actually just a fluke or random chance and the Federation decided to use it at as a reason to start the war. If that asteroid was moving as fast as it was believed to be, (from Big K to Earth) it would've done way more damage than only wiping out that one specific spot.
@@KG-jm1zl The ship carmen was in was ordered to go to that specific location, so them encountering that asteroid was no coincidence. it also makes no sense since planet K was 150,000 light years from Earth
If an asteroid could reach earth from the other side of the galaxy as part of a modern day attack it really opens up so many issues. The bugs use zero tech but manage space travel somehow. It seems they must have some sort of rocket bug to get things on and off planet and maybe a hyperspace bug to move things between star systems. These bugs must force their own evolution somehow to allow themselves to have so many specific forms, developing new forms as needed. None of this is seen in the film but it seems to be implied given events.
Not sure if anyone knows but this is based off of a book. It's one of the best military Sci fi books of all time. The book has more military theory than anything else but one of the things in the book was that there was a 3rd race involved in this war.
Well... he read maybe the first ten pages, and then set out to satirize militarism, fascism, and military rule by featuring bombastic displays of nationalism as well as news reports that are intensely xenophobic and propagandistic. (The book is often stated to promote fascism, but Heinlein *fought* the fascists in World War II... if you accused him of being a fascist, you'd get a black eye. He claimed to be libertarian, but in the 50s... when he wrote the book... he did believe a strong world government was the only way to avoid mutual nuclear annihilation.)
@@SpearM3064 Verhoeven himself said he didn't and wouldn't read the book. There's also nothing remotely fascist about it, and even what's in the movie disproves the claim that it's a fascist system. Business is independent from government, people can speak out against the government without repercussion, just to name to huge ones that are completely antithetical to fascism.
@@sporkwitch It's what Hollywood thinks fascism is; militaristic nationalism with xenophobia as cherry on the top. They have no idea what fascist political system would be like so of course they can't present anything like it in movies.
@@IamOutOfNames Fair, though also needs to be pointed out that Starship Troopers doesn't fit that bill either. Whole lot of writing about exactly that (alliances made, the raid on the Skinnies being with the goal of getting them to realize it's better to work with us than with the bugs against us; "you wouldn't spank a baby with an axe,"; etc.)
@Amos Allender yes, that was the director's intent, but he only succeeded in terms of imagery, not politics, systems, rights, or literally anything other than some cosmetic nazi references.
“I do not need a wall, I will evolve armor. I do not need a weapon, I will evolve claws." "The toolmakers might create something stronger than your armor and claws." "Their tools stay the same. I collect. I change.” -DEHAKA AND SARAH KERRIGAN (Starcraft2)
@@ODDnanref yeah technology is kin to evolution, it’s always advancing past what becomes absolute. Without war on earth, a lot of our advances in technology might not have happened.
I recommend watching the animated series. There are also the acid spitting bugs, the fireflies, the comet bugs, human-bug hybrids, waterbugs, and of course the interstellar transport ship bug. There's also the infiltrator bug that the 2nd movie did, but the 2nd movie did a worse job using it. Also, I'm not making any of this up.
The recruiter was basically chosen to serve as a warning for the enlistees to show them what exactly they were signing up for. The military stuff not making sense was because the Director went against the Novel and wanted to make a 'War is bad' movie instead, completely butchering the source material in favor of sending his message. or something That also explains why they seem to have barely any good tech and toys except for the shoulder mounted nukes. They're supposed to have Flight-capable Mech suits with shoulder mounted nukes lol. Thats why theyre called the Mobile Infantry
I really liked the usage of the Half Life Alyx Antlion combat song in the background when they first encounter the arachnid soldiers, It made me think about the similarities between the Xen and the Arachnids
Thanks for watching guys! I hope everyone had a great thanksgiving and lets finish out the rest of 2020 the best we can! For anyone interested, heres the link to the fourth channel! new video should be dropping on it tomorrow! th-cam.com/channels/3rST8TvG4kLFzuHVYHy7Vw.html
Well, feels good to be early here :>. The only good bug it's a dead bug. Also I love this movie :>
4th channels doing well i see
Starship troopers is a federation with limited suffrage. It is still a form of democracy. You just have to earn the right to vote through federal service. The only people who get rejected from service, are those who the psychologists deem cannot understand the oath of service.
The reason why the asteroid hit then it's pretty simple it was relatively close and they just missed it the instead of saying that they didn't see asteroid the whole time they blamed it on the closest living species: edit just saw the whole video 😔
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I love it how he keeps getting promoted when someone died.
What a way to climb the ladder!
In a way it's nod to novel. In book there are instances of shifts in ranks, when some characters could be promoted or degradeted in mater of days. Of course this is during training or other instances outside combat missions.
Over all film (and following sequels - both live-action and CGI animation) is loose adaptation (at best). Why Roanoke didn't even hinted that is beyond me.
Back in the day it was a real thing. All the way up to Korea, field promotions were extremely common. Guys would go to the pacific theatre as Pvts and come back as Sgts because so many NCO’s were killed in the fighting
I do love the way the book explains the logistical training requirements to keep a field promotion. That and how it clearly defines the basic rationale behind war or trade even enslavement to a point.
@@jacobwilson7030 Yeah but.. Field Sarge to Butterbar when he was barely out of Basic? No Officer-school?! That just ain't gonna happen. Some might even consider it a step down! :p Just a ribbing for all the real Loo(Lef?)-tenants out there, luv ya 4 realz. :p
I like to believe that Roanoke made a video just cause a bug bite him
To spite that bug
That's actually true lmao
Sounds about right
@@RoanokeGaming make sure to do a video if mutant spiders start surging out of the bite.
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I think Wasps are the jerks of the animal kingdom
The lack of strategy is actually intentional, at least on the film maker's part. The human being a large, alien invasion moving in a swarm with little to no planning or purpose, with the bugs being the ones actually using strategies to destroy the hateful invading force, it's the traditional alien vs. human story flipped on it's head.
It's kind of amusing how little the movie has to do with the book, because the filmmaker HATED the book and its author, claiming them total fascists. I do wonder if that made the movie better or worse. I want to believe it makes it better, because it's basically just 'dumb fun' now.
@@The_Foxymew There's also the idea that it's basically supposed to mimic fascist propaganda films.
Smart book. Dumb film.
@@kirbyculp3449 At least it can be dumb fun, there's value in that as well.
@@The_Foxymew he tried too hard to make hateful parody of the book that ended completely going all the way around and ended making a wonderful piece of dumb yet charming pro human propaganda.
"Medical tech is so inconsistent in this movie." In the military we call those budget cuts ☺
Flesh is replaceable the equipment is not (was the favorite quote we heard)
Triage is a thing for scarce resources.
I mean, this is a highly militaristic futuristic state so you'd think they wouldn't cut the militaries budget
@@twoscarabsintheswarm9055 so is america (minus the futuristic) but they cut budgets all the time
@@literallyglados America is
A. Not holding the entire worlds (and most like multiple hundreds of thousands of worlds) resources
B. A state based around military (it has a large military but is not ruled by the military)
C. Not really cutting the budget when in 2020 they spent 778 billion USD on its military, which was 39% of the global military budget (which tallied up to 1.98 trillion USD) and that number went up, from the 718.69 Billion it spent in 2019. It is increasing the budget
In the book the amputee actually had perfect mechanical prosthetics. He was told not to wear them to dissuade applicants.
Why would that dissuade applicants I think see a man without legs would dissuade them a lot more then if they saw robotic legs
@@Joseph-xm4gz No one wants to lose their natural limbs. It's subconscious psychology.
@@Joseph-xm4gz It's because of how absolutely mangled he looked without any of the prosthetics. Like, he was missing an eye, both legs, part of his arm, etc. It was to give all applicants a hard reality check on if this is the way they will go in life.
@@Joseph-xm4gz Because despite what idioys like to do... The Government is not fascistic. They do in fact, show you how terrible things are in hopes of making sure only people willing to take the risks and are willimg to put yourself in the way of others.
They're actually a strange attempt at taking Sparta and transplanting it into a modern mindset.
@Dick Balls • 30 years ago about dissuading people from joining. If I saw mechanical prosthetics I would join definitely. Not via cyberpunk hype or anything of this sort but by 14-15 years of skin illness. The flesh is weak ^^
And about cacti. I cannot keep them alive. I had two exact cacti in one pot. First one became rotten from amount of water and second one dried.
I just gotta say for how old this movie is, the bugs still hold up and look amazing now, both the practical and cgi effects. Thanks for doing Starship Troopers videos! I also loved them as a kid and think 'how does any of this make sense?' as an adult lol
Yeah they did a good job. I believe the CGI company was the same company that did the CGI in the first Jurasic park movie. I think that company is still going today, being one of the best CGI and special effect companies today. Can't remember the name of it thou.
Yah bugs looked great but a couple of the movie's effects are a bit lacking, like the fake hand being stabbed and head being shot in basic training. I still loved it none the less...
Its funny how bad the effects in 2 and 3 are. Even though they were almost a decade later.
@@fukkitful same thing with tremors. First movie used lot of practical puppets and stuff and looks great. Rest of the series relies heavily on cgi and look awful
@@Panda-cute True. The 2nd tremors wasn't terrible. But what I've of the rest wasn't worth the time I wasted watching.
Didn't know there were 7 films now. Thats ridiculous .
If you read the novel, the recruiter reveals that he doesn't wear his prosthesis at the recruiting station intentionally to discourage those people who may not be ready for the price they may have to pay for serving.
In all fairness, the director didn't exactly read much of the novel either.
@@MJesDK Which is why the movie is the way it is. It's paul Verhoeven skimming the book, proclaiming it as "facist" (its more of a hyper libertarian society), then making the movie to make fun of his preconcieved notion of the book. Then it unintentionally became a legendary film on the indomnitable human spirit, which made verhoeven seethe even more.
@@silverprimus321boi9hyper libertarian ( as we see today in- utero) is just fascism with a different label and at the otherside of the spectrum. It's all part of the same bird. It flies down snatches food out your mouth before it shits all over you and all you hold dear, just for it to do another pass. Politics is a Seagull, people want to protect it irrationally no matter the nuisance they are. The markings different on the wings is what people tend to focus on. They get all warm fuzzy feels when they see the baby gull try to fly. 😂
@@silverprimus321boi9 It became a legendary satire of facsism and yes the original book was facsist, it constantly glorified hyper militarism and a major thematic element was the idea of moral degeneracy a key part in fascist ideology
@randomspid3r142 it isn't fascist.
Istg people just say that about everything that looks mildly militaristic these days. Heinleins novel depicts the society as a hyper libertarian meritocracy. Literally all the "facist" elements were just shoved in by verhoeven in the movie, but get contradicted by other details, like an actual chain of command, responsibility of the upper command, and whatnot.
Just an fyi: the opening scenes are further in the timeline, as it leads directly to the attack where Rico is badly injured. The orbital defense system you referenced a few times as ineffective wasn't established yet. It was made as a direct result of the Buenos Aires attack
I noticed that too he should of gotten his facts straight
Ohhhhh
Well there is a theory that earth did it themselves to rage war with the bugs.
Yeah, as mentioned previously there’s a theory that the plot of the bugs launch asteroids is just a propaganda tool for the government to expand into other regions. Kinda like the gulf of Tonkin incident which started the Vietnam war being completely fake. The Gulf War had the same situation, along with the Iraq War.
Really? I figured the message, since the movie takes the piss out of the military industrial complex that the movie portrays it was showing that they brag and brag how they have the best system for taking out asteroids but missed this one, hell I make the theory that the bugs didn't send the asteroid but was just missed by humanity and we blamed it on bugs.
Starship Troopers is one of the few movies where an audience can ask "Did the director even read the book?" and the answer has actually been verified as "No." Still a great movie.
More like “Director started reading the book. Realized it was a bunch of jingoistic garbage. Then made a movie as a fuck you specifically to the book.”
Edit: and by making the movie a fuck you to the book, making a much better story than the book
@@dylanchouinard6141 book is a superior story and i love the book. The movie is a great movie if it didn't have the name starship troopers
@@dylanchouinard6141 yea your a chode dylan the book was gr8 and i always pictured the troopers like jump jet troopers from tiberium sun. awesome novel
@@lordpfeiffer8490 so you like fascism? You think fascism is a good thing? Because thats all the book was about. It was not a good book by any stretch of the word and the movie was literally a satire of the book.
@@abysswalker1562 literally any kind of authoritarianism is shit.
Might I suggest that while you're doing the Starship Troopers episodes to also look at Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles and not just the movies. It was an animated series that fit more closely to Robert A. Heinlein's book, and as such not only includes the Skinnies alien race but also several Arachnid variations not present in the live action or cg films.
Ah the good times. I remember having a blast watching it
Power Rangers: Lost Galaxy reuses the Starship Troopers outfits, and the enemies are bugs, so he should include that, too
@@Gloomdrake if only the Rangers are available to the Federation, lol.
there was also an unoffical video game for the n64 called "armorines: project s.w.a.r.m"
th-cam.com/video/WX15FcApoqo/w-d-xo.html
God I remember that
Good times
Here's how I always understood the discrepancy of the opening scene with the planetary defenses. Because it starts out with the invasion and Rico yelling at the camera man, it was showing a flash forward; so we get the call to join, preview of the upgraded defenses, and then the invasion clip. Once that clip is done, it does a flash back to start telling Ricos story, where Buenos Aires is attacked before the defenses are upgraded.
exactly, the asteroid defenses were constructed as a result of the first strike. The amount of people who forget that the start of the film takes place 1 year ahead of where the main story starts is baffling.
@@Lorkanthallike it literally states in big letters "ONE YEAR EARLIER"
I think the common consensus is that the asteroid was actually launched by the government as an excuse to go to war, which easily explains away that "massive plot hole". It's pretty much the 9/11 conspiracy before 9/11 happened.
I wasn't sure if those defenses ever existed before Buenos Aires.
It’s also a theory that it was a false flag attack to get support for the war. I think a lot of the “dumb stuff” people do in this movie is intentional to show how a war obsessed fascist society is inherently illogical.
“Why bother wearing armor?” Probably to protect against friendly fire.
Friendly fire.
Shrapnel from the really powerful grenades.
More shrapnel and debris from man portable miniature self propelled nuclear warheads.
And just plain falling and getting scuffed up.
Because they are prepared to fight humans
DJ Weapon irl most of the armour like knee pads and such a bullet will rip right through most of the average soldier is exposed the only protection is the upper torso even the gut isn’t protected it’s just a small plate on the front and back and a helmet because the two most aimed for places are upper torso and head. Arm and leg shots aren’t common and aren’t that deadly considering someone can realistically survive losing a arm or leg. Meaning it’s not completely vital (though it really sucks) ideally you would cover the whole body but you have to deal with head build up and weight issues for every bit of armour you add to your arms that’s armour that isn’t protecting your head or neck somewhere that’s more necessary to protect ideally the whole body would be covered but like that’s only if the full body protection is comfortable like imagine I told you to run around with 100 pounds of armour you would probably not want to it’s like why people don’t wear body armour in daily life because most of the time you don’t need it and it’s dead weight but if you need it you need it. Soldiers died because they were using EOD suits and they were too slow to avoid bullets and the suit even though it’s better protection than a regular suit and can stop bullets to the torso and has shrapnel protection all around. It isn’t enough to outweigh the mobility. So with armour most of it is just so you don’t get scuffed up because falling hurts and if you fall the wrong way it can mess you up and some of the armour is for actually stopping bullets
@@deleteduser3455 obviously the knee pads will do jack shit against bullets. But as I said, its for not getting injured from falls or getting scuffed up when taking a knee. Like real militaries do.
Also in the book the armor was much more advanced, being able to resist up to autocannon rounds, and having a variety of sensors and communications systems, as well as jumpjets. Apparently the reason for not having this in the movie was due to CGI limitations.
The communication equipment requires fingers and I used to imagine the Arachnids just carefully using their claws to type in the code to send the distress code. If they screw up then they gotta start over again and brain bug just yelling at them to hurry up.
I love this.
Omg i never thought about that but im dying imaging one of the warriors trying to type and accidentally stabs right through the keyboard
The knife thing, disabling the enemies hand so they can't use their weapons, does have a bit of a pay off in the end.. Carmen uses the knife to cut the brain probe off of the brain bug, technically disabling the enemies ability to use a powerful weapon of theirs
In the book, the response to the question doesn't even involve a knife. It launches into a lecture from the Sargent about how sometimes lethal force is massive overkill and completely inappropriate when a milder response would be perfectly adequate.
@@ClokworkGremlin i mean the version of the movie sets the tone of how brutal the training is and how unprepared the mobile infantry at least were at fighting against the bugs.
Also THE ENEMY CANNOT FIGHT IF YOU DISABLE HIS HAND
kool story bro i use my other hand or my Big Brain Penor coz Chicks be into dat Tenticle hentai am i right or am i right?
@@ClokworkGremlin Are you sure? I think they use a knife as an example.
Like it being quieter and your expected to do whatever they tell you to do, the freeze command being a good example.
Nice. I never got that reference till u mentioned it. Haha.
I love how when Carmen discovers the asteroid flying at them her co-pilot keeps saying "wait for it, wait for it" before diving downwards.....they could have started diving immediately, saving the thousands on board the ship, saving the antenna and saving Earth the asteroid strike.... haha wait for it.....wait for it....
Based on modern shipping design I always assumed she scraped the bridge of the ship off haha. I always thought she was about to die when she did that lol
They couldn't see anything in the first place. That planet is light years away. That asteroid should be travelling way faster than light (I don't know how), while the ship is going faster than light too in the opposite direction. But they manage to see it coming slowly 😂
That scene is absolute BS, but I love this movie.
@@The-Man-On-The-Mountain I love this movie also but yes, that asteroid would have to be traveling WAY faster then light to reach earth that quickly haha
Things like that really got me thinking the asteroid was sent by the human government, not by the bugs. Just a false flag to support the war
@@pohateos9394 Not to mention they got boots on the ground in no time as well haha
The knife scene does bare weight in the story. At the end she cuts the brain bug with it disabling its ability to suck out brains. The enemy’s WMD was basically disabled because it could no longer use its appendage to suck brains. Just like Zims answer to Ace, the enemy cannot push a button if you disable it’s hand. I was Infantry in the Army and there were 3 things I was told to have on me at all times; a knife, a watch, and a good pen. I would expect that even in the future, we will still be encouraged to carry a knife just because of how utilitarian knives are. Your survival chances are greatly improved by having a knife, you can tie it to a stick to make a spear for defense or hunting, you can baton wood to make a fire, you can chop branches to make a shelter. Plus you can stab someone. Again very utilitarian.
what about the pen?
@@BloodwolfTicoHave you seen John Wick ? 😅
A good marine carries a pen a great marine carries two.
If more weapons are needed for survival or defense of a larger group, you can sharpen sticks easily if you have a knife. As long as war is fought with human soldiers, having a knife will ALWAYS be useful.
Still prefer a good trench shovel, but a good knife is just as versatile
The Roughnecks animated series introduces nurse bugs that consume local lifeforms to make a genetic slurry they feed to the larvae to adapt the castes.
And they had the skinnies and robots which were kool as shit
@Absolom Hellgate it’s a very old show but you can still buy the series on Amazon which by buying all their series disks it was worth it to have the full series collection
Don’t forget about the giant bug ship that transport whole armies in them and gather fuel from hydrogen rich environments
The cartoons expanded bug lore immensely. If only it focused on the bugs and not the boring humans.
@@GeryonM Wouldn't be Starship Troopers without the boring humans. The series and the novel it's based off of is a satirical commentary on overly zealous, overbearing military societies, after all.
I love how we have interstellar travel but fight hordes of mindless bugs in lengthy, sustained ground wars.
They weren't mindless.
@@captinundies6049 The war propaganda got to him
The bugs were very organized and had ways to combat in the air and space.
Exactly
@Ярослав ЛWell yes, and also the humans want to colonise planets, not get rid of them, so blowing it up with all the aliens is out of the equation
For everybody talking about “why the army didnt do X” or “why dont they have X thats dumb”
Yea. Thats the point.
We commonly see humans using their superior tactics to fight an expendable horde of poorly managed troops. But instead we see humans being outplayed time and time again by the smart bugs while the mobile infantry are seen as expendable hordes of troops so they aren’t really considered tactically
That's what happens when you underestimate you enemy.
this is especially profound given your username
If you watch the movie, it is actually done to promote Terran Confederacy. Government owns up to its mistake, leader resigns. New leader dramatically changes strategy in how war is being fought which is superior to bugs strategies.
@@REgamesplayer SM Tehat Meru knocked it out of the park. She knew that capturing a brain bug was pretty much the only hope of humans understanding the goals, strategies and capabilities of the bugs, since they were so utterly alien to us. She started putting out vulnerable advance teams into potentially hostile bug territory so they could entice out and spot a brain bug, then she had a whole ass invasion force on standby to swoop in the moment one was confirmed. Pretty clever.
I eagerly await your Helldivers Termenid video. They decompose into a rare oil.
I am glad I am not the only one!
Yeah. Really hope they add more Helldivers 1 terminids to Helldivers 2. Maybe some new additions too.
A vid on the Automatons (And Space Vietnam) would be good too.
My instincts tell me that decomposing Terminids into an organic (carbon based) oil in an /efficient/ manner is biologically impossible because molecules are essentially batteries for the energy that was used to make them. It takes millions of years, high pressures and high heats to turn ~100kg of dead life into ~100kg of oil beneath the Earth's crust. Without that input of heat, pressure and time you simply couldn't turn 100kg of dead stuff into the same amount of oil.
Now if you did kill 2.25 million metric tons of Terminids (roughly the total mass of ants on Earth) with a 50% conversion to oil rate you could make 8 million barrels of oil. This sounds like a lot, but the Earth in 2023 used on average 20 million barrels PER DAY.
So even if that rare oil skips all of the refining costs humans currently spend on crude oil, it still would mean xenociding 2-3 planets of Terminids per day to meet some modest (by interstellar standards) energy consumption. But we do see a lot of solar panels on Super Earth, so maybe the oil is used for something different than direct energy consumption.
My best bet?
Space lube :)
Many crustaceans (especially decapods) have partially closed circulatory system (arteries, strong heart etc.) which actually performs similarly to small mammals (mainly rodents). So yes an arthropod can breathe oxygen efficiently even with a semi-closed circulatory system!
As for how Klendathu has life and an atmosphere, in some bonus info by the movie team it's implied the Bugs have a fungus or at least fungoid farm underground (like ants and termites) for food, I assume these fungi also produce oxygen. It's also implied the planet is barren because the Bugs pretty much devoured all organic matter aside from the fungus.
Fungi don't produce Oxygen though, they are decomposers that consume oxygen to digest other materials, essentially no different then animal life.
@@kennethferland5579 That's why I said fungoid, it behaves like fungus but might be bacteria colony or even more close to plants, what I'm saying is that it's a farmable organic substance that the Bugs use as food much like how termites and ants utilize fungus farms.
@@buggyboy2849 most oxygen on earth is produced by bacteria actually, its also how we get the trace elements our bodies and plants and animals need out of the ground, bacteria mines that stuff atom by atom in a recycling system, otherwise we would slowly deplete our trace element supply as it oxidises and becomes rock.
@@TS-jm7jm Yup! I'm guessing the movie team was thinking of this but went with fungi since it's more insect appropriate.
I know the movie was a commentary, but I was here for the bugs. Nice video on one of my favorite movies, Roanoke.
Edit: I merely mentioned the movie was a commentary, ya'll need to chill. I really don't care about the commentary.
Glad you enjoyed it haha
@@RoanokeGaming I'm dreading the part where you cover the Imposters. Thats my worst nightmare. Something alive, like that, crawling INTO you. Theres no defense either, once its in, you're done.
A lot of these “commentary” books/movies etc fail or get sucked into their own lore too much. Making it less commentary and more intriguing and “cool”.
@Vulkan Lives Never said it was a good commentary, did I?
@Vulkan Lives Yeah, this movie actually had the inverse message from what I’m guessing was intended (fascism bad) in reality the message of the movie is (military government: effective) at least to me. I saw it as a pretty good system. Didn’t ever get the impression of totalitarianism, or fascism. In a cinematic Universe with such hostile aliens it’s no surprise the human race would adopt a very bigoted stance against the bugs. You see Ender’s Game actually did this pretty well because the whole war against the bugs in that movie was started by an accident, they tried to harvest Earth & didn’t realize anyone was there until quite a few people were dead. They left in peace once they realized the mistake but humanity adopted a bitter hatred of their species, and pursued them into their own systems eventually leading to the “victory by total genocide” outcome we see at the end of the film. Starship Troopers never paints the bugs as “misunderstood” or anything else. They are portrayed as a ravenous, ever-expanding species of extremely hostile insects. Therefore the human supremacy is not only justified, it also serves a valuable purpose by giving humanity a common enemy, therefore uniting Earth for a “greater” purpose.
When the Imperial Guard has more logical tactics than a less-technological competitor, you know something's wrong.
The Imperial Guardsmen are (like most in 40k) most likely religious zealots who would happily die for the Emperor. Their tactics mostly center around outnumbering the enemy.
TBF in the rough necks cartoon they have.. stay with me... Tactics.
@@robertsmalls2293 while its true that the IG levages their numbers that is by far not the only tactic only the meme.
The Deathkorps of Krieg yes they charge first ask later but even them prefere to hammer the enemy with shells for days beforehand.
Cadian regiments always try to go combined forces with tank and long range support.
Tanith 1st and only heavily relies on scouting and sniping warfare
Catchan Devils up that by adding massive amounts of Gorrila warfare to the mix
Yes the IG is a wall of guns but they don't zergrush if its not absolutly nessecary and a General wasting the Emperors Hammer needlesly could end up either facing down the barrel of a gun from a Commisar or get questions from a pissed inqusitor... in some cases a backhand by a space marine chaptermaster is also posdible depending if they are around and what chapter
Also outnummbering only works against minor xenos,eldar,tau and necrons and the later 3 have way better guns.
Greenskins and Tyranids can easly outnumber the guard heck the former one will outnumber the guards.
And full on Chaos forces can also outnumber a whole Crusade
@@robertsmalls2293 yes, outnumbering enemy with tanks, artillery and squad weaponry. Human wave memetic stereotype was born solely out of incompetent players themselves being too cheap to buy proper units and from misinterpreting image of Krieg(based on french WWI experience) onto whole of the guard.
@@theluftwaffle1 yeah. Kinda late in the storyline, but they learnt.
Who’s here from helldivers2 😂
Shhhhhhhhhhh
Pushing back those dirty buggers
For Superearth
Liber-tea
No, I came from the 90's 😅
The human technology being inconsistent at 12:09 is practically only due to budgetary limitations with the film. The original book places the average soldier in a suit of mechanized armor that makes them hop around the landscape with jet propulsion.
The comic series is between the two. Only a few of the troops are in Power Armor/Robot suits, but all of the troops have basic jump capability
So, an army of doom slayers. Sick
HELL YEAH MARAUDERS
@@harveyanimations8974 Essentially, if doom slayer looked like an overgrown albino gorilla. Haven't read the book for a while, but I'm pretty sure that's the official description of the mech suits.
@@yingtyson4493 It is.
In the book the bugs have advanced technology, things like FTL capable starships, infantry based energy weapons, and subterranean industrial infrastructure. Its said that the human ships are better and more capable, but that infantry fighting is a challenge as the bugs are able to spawn fully combat capable, where humans require months of training to become combat effective.
I just pictured giant bugs piloting a spacecraft lol
@@mushrooms5601 giant bugs would be spaceships, much like Tyranids in Warhammer 40K.
@@ANDREALEONE95 oh I see
Pretty sure they were talking about a humanoid alien race they called the skinnies (if I'm not mistaken) not the arachnids.
@@MVEZombie I listen to the book a couple times a year at work, it's the bugs. The skinnies are talked about at the very beginning of the book, and around the middle of the book, he does a synopsis of the bug tech, advantages and disadvantages.
Yes finally!! Remember kids the only good bug is a dead bug.
Hell ya
@@RoanokeGaming that's "OOH RAA private, DO YOU GET ME!?"
"NOW LETS MAKE THESE BUGS GOOD"
Service guarantees citizenship!
I'm doing my part
The funny thing is Dizzy might have lived if he left the leg in her torso. The limb was holding the wound closed. (That's why they tell you to never remove a knife that's imbedded in a stab victim until they get to the ER.)
As much as I wish it was true, she was stabbed multiple times before that one
Not to mention the claws were SERRATED, that bug sawed her insides multiple times 💀
Can't imagine how would they stitch that up
@@miming3679 Not to mention the sheer size of those wounds, advanced space tech or not you're gonna bleed out from an injury like that before they can get you in their version of a bacta tank. Her lung was almost entirely split in half from that bug leg no doubt, she was DOA before she even got on the shuttle
For context its basically the same as having a helicopter tail rotor blade stab you in the chest
If they had trained them for first aid then they would be able to resist the drill Sgt, lol
She was impaled about 4 times. She was dead
humans: * has perfected the complex limb that is the arm to the point where it can match in tone and size to the mirroring real arm*
also humans: *cant bother figuring out how to make prosthetic legs*
They had prosthetic legs. He even shows them off in the movie. He didn't wear the legs while recruiting to scare off the weak stomached recruits.
Also also humans: *cant mutate their Genes to regenerate limbs
Not feasable, our species would have to flip a genetic 180 turn in our evolutionary path.
It'd be easier to develope night vision and sharp hearing, than limb regeneration.
@@darthmalar9781 what about a leg transplant
@@darthmalar9781 you could literally stick a metal pole into the thigh and it would count as a prosthetic leg
It always bugged me when Dizzy is running back to the ship and gets caught by the bug, if Rico hadn't shouted her name she would have made it back to the ship.
Not likely. Warriors outrun humans with ease.
Yeah in the story the bugs were able to run as fast if not faster than horses...
Somewhat true. Honestly, if he had just started shooting it rather than yelling, causing her to slow and turn, THEN begin shooting it...the bug may have slowed or even started waving off as being lit up. Which woulda gotten her attention to the dangers behind her and allowed her time to flee or light it up as well. But, that wasn't in script sadly. I wish they had followed a tad more on the Roughneck Chronicles than the book.
@@GrySgtBubba Tbf, roughnecks didnt air until later-and its style only really works as a show. I hope that the films and Terran Command garner enough attention for a Roughnecks reboot. 'Lost patrol: Starship Troopers Chronicles".
It was intentional. He didn't want to be stuck with her emotional needs
"Why are they wearing armor it slows you down and does nothing against these things" IDk stray rounds fragmentation from grenades the bugs do shoot stingers at one point in the tv show
@Zman 1471 They aren't sub caliber rifles the rifles is supposed to be a .308 also in the show and books they wear power armor
@Zman 1471 308 has a ton of stopping power & punches right through armor I have always wondered why they use infantry at all why not just do what we do to bugs in our own world just gas em
@Zman 1471 Well if you remember the part of the movie where the bugs are attacking the fort for some reason the troopers dont open fire until the bugs are right up against the wall but with the 308 they could have been dropping bugs at hundreds of yards with a shotgun you would have to let the bugs get allot closer also if you do remember their rifle has a underslung shotgun so they have access to both
@@Ghastly_Grinner i always thought they were using .308 SLAP rounds as well
It may be for psychological reasons. Maybe it makes them feel safer despite making no difference
The defense system they were talking about in the beginning was a direct result of the meteor attack on Buenos Aries. The movie tells you its going back months or weeks or something like that via text on the screen at the end of the opening battle.
As long as spiders don't bother me I won't bother them, it's kinda like a deal we have
Stay away from my body and you can live here and eat all the bugs you can catch, is my deal with spiders.
@@hakonkvande6767 same
Big dpider fluffy, nice for crawl on hand
@@vbgvbg1133 lol
I’ll take it arachnotrons bother you a lot then
"Skipping over the shower scene, I know you're crushed..."
Yeah, I was.
Same those guys are ripped
@@ahardworker2154 The fan service door swings both ways.....
@@mkaplan1383 yep
Dizzy opened 10 year old me's mind.. good film
Devastated...
3:50 actually in the novel he later comes across Rico outside the recruitment center and tells him:
"Relax, boy. I don't have to do the after hours horror show, and I don't.
("The man was wearing civilian clothes, walking on two legs and had two arms.")
Who's here after purchasing HELLDIVERS 2 😅
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Fun fact:
The guy who did the CGI on this movie went on to also do the CGI for the Jurassic Park trilogy and is heralded as an absolute genius within the movie community, and it all started in this movie that many people hate or dont know about.
I for one loved this movie as a kid and still do, thought the sequels were pretty bleh.
I remember both Jurasic Park & Starship Troopers coming out in Theaters, Starship Troopers was several years later so something doesn't add up with your fun fact.
@@LouisLeGros maybe it was the other way around, but i know it was the same guy and if im not mistaken he also helped with Alien
@@LoneWolf-kw3ol I see that Phil Tippet worked on Starship Troopers & some of the Jurassic Park movies, not sure if he'd be the guy you are talking about.
Come to think of it- I have yet to hear or see one person say they don't like this movie.. and I saw it in theatres too
@@Vscustomprinting ive been watching this movie since i was a wee lad, plenty of people dont like it but for the same reasons, "it glorifies communism" "it has no depth" "it didnt even have any noteable actors/awards/press coverage" "the sequels were so bad, why would i watch the original"
Basically, the only people ive met who dont like it know nothing about it/dont like anything that doesnt have a shirtless jason momoa or john cena acting like every 90s tuff guy jock ever
What is that sweet techno beat playing at around 8 min?
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So sad a great TH-camr doesn’t have alot of comments from fans 😔
So none of y’all know?
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Several people die in training in the book. Also the person missing limbs at the recruitment desk is used to discourage people from enlisting. He has robotic limbs that look and act like regular limbs but at the time the main character enlist the military is actively discouraging it.
Yep. Its an aspect from the book that the director didnt even know about because he didn't finish it.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Whoever wrote the script did, as a lot of stuff snuck in via dialog.
But obviously the director framed it in the way he wanted, but even then the way its described in universe by the characters and how the plot goes, doesn't always jibe with how the director intended to to portray things.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballzThe film version of scene is presented basically the same way, just not as an outwardly deliberate deterrent. The clerks confidence when he says “mobile infantry made me the man I am today” followed by a zoom on his missing limbs is one of the many deliberate satires of fascism and militarism in the film, because contrary to what you believe Verhoeven isn’t an idiot. He didn’t finish the book because he thought it was fascist trash and had come to his own vision for the adaptation.
@@JoyOfTacos Him reading part of the book and thinking it was fascist is actual proof that Verhoeven is an idiot.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Didn't finish it? I don't think he even started it.
I was watching this movie with a friend and mentioned how this movie is meant to be a satire of Fascism and he’s like “No it’s not.” I go on to explain that the director lived through Nazi occupation and pointed out the fascistic and Nazi like imagery and he starts to get it. He just thought it was a fun futuristic war film. He’s not the brightest crayon in the box but he’s a good friend lol.
Actually, Roanoke, if I remember correctly, the movie starts at the "current day" and then does a long *flashback* to basic training. So the "planetary defense system that they were bragging about" wasn't built (or at least, wasn't completed) until *after* the asteroid that hit Buenos Aires. Now, whether or not you can build something that size in just a few months is an entirely different plot hole. Of course, I may *not* be remembering correctly, in which case I could be totally wrong.
In either case, it can’t cover all point of the planet. Though considering the speed one should be able to detect the rock coming through space and they have ships around earth and other that could just jump and intercept even without the moon system which is still mostly a space station just with weapons mounted. So there should still be orbiting stations around earth with weapons, like in Halo.
i had actually heard a theory that humanity bombed themselves with the asteroids to build patriotism so they can declare war on the bugs with no public outcry.
Yup
You are not mistaken at all. The movie starts with the planetary defense system, then goes live to the invasion of big K, then goes back one year.
The moon base could have been in place, the astroid detection system as well (remember, we see them as a threat today already, and want to look for them) just the means to blow them up were added. So this might be less conspiracy confirming then it looks
Also, what destroyed Zegema Beach? The Roughnecks were there before Rico joined them. What fight went on there?
Building something quickly isn’t a plot hole. If slow construction speeds were a vital part of the plot only for them to build something quickly with no explanation, that might be a plot hole.
I dont think the asteroid is a plot hole, just something youd need to think about. If you want to colonize all the planets, well... best way to start that up is a war. I'm saying it was claimed to be the bugs, it was not the bugs, and it's an excuse for war.
It could also be a coincidence and the asteroid is neither from the bugs or a false flag operation but a natural occurred one. The federation just exploited the situation. Well it's not much of a different.
@@minhducnguyen9276 that's what I said. You just boiled it down. Thank you.
One could also imagine that the bugs, being capable of colonizing other star systems do have a means of FTL just as the Terrans do. Perhaps they had the ability to use this capability to drop an Asteroid on a path with Earth. or more likely, could have inserted some kind of forward operations and dislodged an asteroid from our own Asteroid Belt.
"Meteors can't melt steel beams."
He did mention it later in the video
Starship Troopers is the perfect example of a movie that uses practical FX and CGI in the proper context of delivering the best of each scene.
Democracy will prevail
No
Just so you know Roanoke, there was an animated series called “Roughnecks: Starship Trooper Chronicles” that expands a ton on the bugs and their species. It doesn’t follow the same storyline as the movies, but I grew up watching it and freaking love it.
That's the closest thing to the novel and MIs wearing powered armor. In the book MI numbers are actually very low compared to the Bugs and only a handful are able graduate.
God I love it
My mom knew my love for starship troopers when I was younger and when she found the roughnecks chronicles on vhs she bought them for me and I miss watching it, we no longer own them since she got rid of everything on vhs which she regrets but roughnecks was so amazing with expanding the starship troopers universe more than the crappy second and third live action films did
The anti-asteroid defense system was placed in response to the attack on Earth, implemented at the same time of the first attack on the bugs: hence why the news feed goes live to the invasion.
The most brilliant part of this movie is how meta it is. My interpretation is that this was meant to be a propaganda film in universe being shown on TV and thats why there are all those interrupts with "would you like to know more?"
You are 100% right the director based this off Vietnam War propaganda and the underlying fascism in the USA after the war
The only issue with that idea is that in most propaganda films no matter what country makes it, it builds their army up to be the ultimate warrior who no others can beat and definitely wouldn't show people getting mowed down in violent and excruciating ways.
@@Goldenkitten1 While yes you’re right on that, the “would you like to know more?” Segments are SUPER reminiscent of American and German WW2 propaganda films that would be shown before the screening of a movie
@@stuglife5514 about the German army bit, it is pretty on the nose given that the uniforms seen wearing by certain military members looks very Nazi-esque
Everybody always compares that to Fascist propaganda. The uniforms were a deliberate choice added for the movie. But they livestream the battles. They actually do the opposite of propaganda, they show you exactly what's going on.
In the book, they actually try to discourage people from joining the military. That's why the guy who takes thier paperwork is missing two legs and an arm. He is out there on purpose to discourage you. Also you are free to leave the service any time you want. It's all volunteer.
Studying this 3 years later... for Democracy
Same
I never understood why they didn’t give their soldiers better rounds. It took so much ammo to bring an arachnid down. Like a bigger armor piercing round at least. If you have spaceships and warp capability you would think you would want your human cargo to be the best at fighting. I would like to know more.
Exactly. And after knowing the bugs use overwhelming force to defeat enemies. explosive weapons, artillery, and air/orbital bombardment should have become very common.
They have ineffective weapons because the infantry were seen as expendable.
20 in grenades for a mounted grenade launcher would be good & mines
A triggerable minefield, after they get to the front one you have the second one behind them prevent reinforcements & RPGs
It's not WHAT they fire, it's WHERE they hit.
The guy in the propoganda ad said to "aim for the nerve stem" which brought the bug down in like, 2 shots when it tanked 6-10 rounds on other parts. The troopers normally die since they don't aim, they do the spray and pray manuever
In the animated series the roughnecks they had mechs and stuff of that nature so it make you wonder why don't use it more
I believe the asteroid defense system was made after the attack. Remember the movie starts with the Klendathu drop and then goes back by a year.
I just assumed the Federation actually did it and pinned it on the bugs.
The whole movie has a kind of fascist feel to it throughout.
@Dick Balls • 30 years ago True
@@robert04872 I mean that's more realistic than bugs launching a rock from the other side of the Galaxy.
@Dick Balls • 30 years ago "They're doomed. Yes. But there is grace in their failings. A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts. It's a privilege to be among them."
-The Vision, Avengers: Age Of Ultron
The most destructive and horrific of nature's creations are the most beautiful: Stars, Black Holes, Quasars, Volcanoes, Supernovas, Tsunamis, Hurricanes. All look beautiful from a distance...but are terrifying events of pure chaos in their heart. Should a Star not exist simply because it does nothing but burn and destroy? If they didn't we would not be here. Should a Black Hole not exist because it does nothing but consume? We have every right to exist and by the law of nature we do...we owe it to ourselves to find out why...or die trying...or at least make a reason why.
@reaven Thank you I was thinking the same thing
Play helldivers 2, thank me later
pov: your a guardsman being told about Tyranids before deployment
ASTRA-WHAT ? YOU'RE IN THE GUARD SON
@@Numizard wall of Guns.
FOR THE EMPER!!.!.....AAAAAAHHHHH
You're *
Nothing but a usurper. Death to the false emperor!
Getting rid of democracy is the first step to interstellar travel.
An amazing and thought provoking book.
I mean human bloodlust would probably be easier to unite us all under.
If we want to travel to the stars we must all convert to C O M M U N I S M
both in the book and the movies they still use democracy.. the leaders are voted for... the thing they dont have is universal voting rights.. u have to serve to vote, the right to serve is universal tho.
@@mitte90
Well put. Maybe I could have made that distinction to clarify my opinion but with most people today democracy means a voting free-for-all so I didn't feel that my comment needed much more explanation. And judging by most replies I think I was right dumb it down. We have a system that empowers corruption because half the people voting are just the kind of people you wouldn't want running a bake sale, let alone your country. Last year the city of Chicago had 100 shootings in one single weekend. The city of Baltimore had not one student out of 16 schools graduate with a high school reading level. Do we really want every person with a pulse voting?
The book is wildly different from the movie. The only similarities are the character names and how they refer to the hostile forces as bugs, but even their description is completely different from the movie portrayal.
Okay, regarding the asteroid defense system because I see it mentioned several times and it's becoming a pet peeve:
That asteroid defense system was built AFTER the attack on Buenos Aires. The opening sequence which mentions it takes place after Rico finishes boot camp and they signal this in two ways - first by showing Rico getting injured in the opening sequence and then showing him just fine in school indicating that this was before he enlisted, and secondly when they cut to the invasion of Klendathu and you see the reporter saying the same lines from the beginning. Like, this isn't even something where you have to squint or really think about it: the movie does take the time to signal the asteroid defense thing was built after the attack, not before.
Of course, how they managed to put such a megastructure together in a period of, at most, months is a huge question mark. As far as distance goes... yeah, that's something where there is nothing in text or subtext that would explain that unless they clearly established the bugs having FTL capabilities that allow them to transport rocks close to their targets (which would create new plot holes). I mean, given how they establish repeatedly how the media sequences are wholly unreliable (events on screen frequently contradict the story the media cuts tell and only occasionally line up or have useful information), and that anybody with even a basic understanding of the light speed limit would see the problem here, and how the movie's creators were notoriously anti-fascist and intended us to view the Federation as being positively absurd, I can absolutely see them arranging a false-flag attack that kills millions to sell to their people on a war that is just a blatant land grab for living space they don't really need.
or just acpt that it is a movie and nothing make's sens:P
It is Heavily implied that the fascist government in charge manufactured the asteroid incident as a justification for going to war
@@boe5930 like how we have to accept your terrible spelling?
@Vulkan Lives Cope.
@@Djm95454 That's a complete fan theory that has absolutely no support in the film itself.
I think when Carmen cuts off the brain bugs appendage, it's sprays ichor pretty violently. In my mind this kind of supports your circulatory system theory, since spraying blood/ichor would require a fair bit of arterial pressure.
I know it was just an effect in a cheesy movie, but as long as we are all good to overanalyze... lol
imagine kicking ant hills as a kid only to invade an ant planet as an adult.
Like father like son
Answering your asteroid questions.
1. It's subtly implied that the asteroid was just a random asteroid and the sky marshall used it as an excuse to go to war. Edit: oh you guessed this later haha
2. The beginning of the movie takes place in the future at the initial klendathu invasion and then goes back in time so the astroid defense station hadn't been built yet.
I honestly assumed it was a false flag operation. I figured the government purposefully diverted the asteroid to justify war and garner massive war support.
Same as the Lisutania
1. The book makes it quite clear that this is not the case and the movie's director wouldn't know subtle if it hit him over the head with a fish.
The bugs begin hostilities after Mormon settlers go to ground on a planet that the Federation expressly told them not to go to, and shortly thereafter said bugs throw the meteor our way, towards a large population center. The movie's edited in such a way that this isn't apparent to many viewers.
2. Correct.
@@DarkVeghetta The book and the movie are two different things. The movie is free to do it's own thing.
@@transformersrevenge9 Films that destroy a books lore are trash. Of course this movie was awesome.
The exaggerated armoured exoskeleton of an extraterrestrial spacebug.
That's the movie bug. The novel bugs have ranged weapons, beam weapons and they probably have armor plating since they are on par with humans in technology. Cyber Bugs.
Don't worry. I understood the reference
Thank you hiccup
I even heard it in his voice.
Playing helldivers while watching this is peak
8:22- I think it's implied that the bugs had nothing to do with the meteor; they just used it as an excuse to invade.
They're mirroring what happened in the book. but due to the way they portray the arachnid empire in the movie you lose the context the bugs are an inteligent space faring empire that decided to bomb their biggest competitor after getting a tip off of earth's precise coordinates by a third faction that was questioning on who to ally with.
You need to rewatch the movie. It's not implied, at all. The movie does scenes chronologically out of order. The bugs threw the meteor BEFORE the defense system existed.
@@SirGriffin87 it's not outright said, but I'm pretty sure even the director knew the timing of the asteroid didn't make any sense if it was intentional.
@@SirGriffin87 I'm guessing physics is a complete mystery to you lol. It would literally take millions of years for that asteroid to reach Earth.
@@wiseguy01 Yes it would take that long for the steroid to get there, but that also doesn't change the fact that the implication of the false flag does not exist, and for explanation on the asteroid attack I would refer you to Flyboy's reply, just like in the book it was indeed the bugs that attacked first it's just in the movie the Arachnids don't have all their nifty tech, therefore we get a yadda yadda'd asteroid attack.
"The enemy cannot push a button, if you disable his hand!"
*Push
Uses foot to press button.
@@speedy01247 listen here, you little...
I often use my head for that, despite being fully functional. Does that count as cheating?
@@yadakakadu now this is an avengers level threat
This movie feels like a weird hybrid of Star Wars, Ender’s Game, Factorio, Alien, and Half-Life
always saw this as something of a movie version of starcraft, minus the protoss. the bugs do somewhat resemble the zerg in social structure
Its more of a parody of all of these and a satire of militaristic nations. The perfect description would be ''Anti-Star Trek" - instead of peaceful utopia that solves everything with diplomacy, its a fear-mongering authoritarian regime that is built solely on violence and the need of an ''enemy''.
It's a 40k movie about the cadian regiment
Well, most of the "space power armor" theme like Starcraft's Marine, 40k's Space Marine or even Gundam are inspired by this book tho.
@@bloodangel19 HERETIC!!! The Cadians were the Emperors chosen fodder!
One of my favorite childhood movies. I’d key up the battle scenes when I was painting my Tyranid warhammer 40K army😅
First Predator, then Tremors, and now Starship Troopers. You are helping me relive and understand movies that traumatized me as a child, but now fascinate me as an adult. Thank you very much for all of your hard work and research, Roanoke.
You have opened a whole can of “bugs” and you need to be ready to do your part.
Also you need to watch Roughnecks starship troopers chronicles it’s really good and also introduces an even wider variety of bugs
3 live action films
2 cgi films
2 tv series
1 book series
Did I miss anything?
Granted it's a different species from "the Bugs," but in the beginning they did dissect an alien beetle. They specifically removed lungs from that beetle, implying a cardiopulmonary system something like tetrapods on Earth. Therefore, large arthropod-analogues having a circulatory system is an established part of the movie. I feel that you're biological analysis is on point. "They're aliens" can establish that they have a circulatory system, but it can't make them magic.
Those beetles are seen when the platoon was sent to that settlement, Rico notices them in the chow hall. Also those same beetles are seen when Carmen and the other guy, encounter the brain bug
The dissected bug was one of the workers.
Those are arachnid bug-types, they're called Chariot Bugs. Small-scale workers/tunnelers, mine-clearers and mobility-systems for Brain Bugs. Mostly harmless but their bites they can slice through flesh, bone and ballistic armor with ease (they bite through stone and ore, it's understandable).
40k easy mode 😂😂
So in the animated show, The Roughnecks: Starship Troopers, humanity actually does use sealed power armour suits on planets like Klendathu. The show is just so much better than the films in almost every way, tbh.
I love the show! I used to wake up super early o watch it in the morning lol
Same here way better in my opinion
yup, unfortunately they run out of money to end the series.
If i remember, it's implied that the Arachnids are different species, and the Brain Bugs use telepathy to make them into a cohesive unit: in one episode I saw, they kill a brain, and the soldier bugs start eating the plasma bugs!
There was an animated show?
The knife training scene is a perfect example of the difference in purpose of the authors of the book and the movie.
The movie is contemptuous of the type of people it depicts.
While in the book, the drill sergeant goes into a lecture on degrees of force and their purpose.
Also, in the book, they didn't do away with Democracy, but universal franchise Democracy. Reducing the franchise to those who earn the power.
SGT Charles Zim, p. 61; responding to Ted Hendrick's question on the purpose of knife-throwing.
"If you wanted to teach a baby a lesson, would you cut its head off? Of course not. You'd paddle it. There can be circumstances when it's just as foolish to hit an enemy city with an H-bomb as it would be to spank a baby with an axe. War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government's decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him...but to make him do what you want him to do. Not killing...but controlled and purposeful violence. But it's not your business or mine to decide the purpose of the control. It's never a soldier's business to decide when or where or how-or why-he fights; that belongs to the statesmen and the generals. The statesmen decide why and how much; the generals take it from there and tell us where and when and how. We supply the violence; other people-'older and wiser heads,' as they say-supply the control. Which is as it should be."
A society based on the constant need of an ''enemy'' deserves nothing, but contempt.
@@voilvelev6775
There is never a need of enemies.
There is always a constant glut of supply on that end. You can make it in their best interest to not be openly hostile, but you will never eliminate the future possibilities of hostilities.
Nature is a war of all against all. The prey in an arms race with its predator. The predator in a war for territory against its species.
Resources in the universe may be effectively infinite, but access to resources is a growing but still zero-sum game for which any group which seeks to survive must be willing to defend what is theirs. Lest others take it, and then defend it against its original holders.
That said: the book's civilization is not built on such a need. There are many routes to citizenship, the book just follows the career of one soldier during a period of war with an alien species. (A number of them, actually, as the book starts with a raid on a species allied with the bugs.)
The only people who think it is are exactly the type of people who should be kept away from power at all costs. Like Verhoeven.
Further, it is not the society that Verhoeven is contemptuous of, it is soldiers, patriots, and those willing to sacrifice to maintain a society.
@@firebornliger you’re right but you’re over complicating it, the book Federation is a government where political power is reserved, not for an aristocrat class or the loudest voice in a room, but for those that are willing to sacrifice to make a safe and free society, watch Arch’s video on that to see the pros and cons, by trying to say that is fascist while not even bothering to put actual examples of fascism in the governmental system Verhoeven basically says that the noble aspects of human character patriotism self-sacrifice etc. are fascist, in other words nobility of spirit is fascist; this is the stumbling block that keeps it from being a great movie, it switches back And forth from being a movie about heroes who do heroic things, to telling you to hate these people without giving you a reason to, so to enjoy the movie you have to ignore one or the other portrayal.
"Violence the supreme authority that all other authorities derive from"
........ No lies detected, and probably one of the most reality check quotes in movie history.
Literal basic sociology theory based around the time of the initial social contracts where the citizenry would give the monopoly of violence to the state. Not a very complex concept but it seems he missed that.
@@Kydino I wouldn't over complicate it a food chain could be a basic example a elephant while far bigger and more Superior knows better to graze too close to a lion.
Only as long as you are the top of the food chain... That changes when something superior to you comes along...One problem with that theory...you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. Violence solves nothing.
@@tomthebomb557 the elephant is the superior animal it would win 9 out of 10 times it's respects for the Lion because it's aware of the violence it is capable of. And everyone dies if it's some peaceful or reassurance into nothingness you're looking for I suggest religion.
@@tomthebomb557 you can keep your humanity denial to yourself bud, the price for freedom and peace is eternal vigilance and keeping your nation strapped is the easiest way to get that, ask any country without nukes that went against the us interests and find what happened.
Helldiver 2 For democracy!
3:47 You're missing the point, as did the movie. In the book, that same clerk walks home after his day's done (he's also far less pleasant to all applicants, minus the women, as those are always in demand for the navy), but for his job, he takes off his leg prosthetics. This is designed to weed out weak-willed applicants and is essentially the first test in a long series of tests to determine if said person has what it takes to wield political authority.
Note: They absolutely can regrow body parts (as seen later in the movie), but it's more expensive than using cybernetic prosthetics and would undermine the job said clerk has.
I'm thinking that their planet's ecosystem is based upon them. They eat their dead, fresh alien meat, and dirt while doing something similar to plants (photosynthesis) but instead of eating light, they consume heat to do the same job. Kill all the bugs on a bug planet and you kill that planet's only participating member of their ecosystem. Look at the various things bugs on Earth do, becoming the only factor in a heated ecosystem for atmospheric things as long as they are large and dominating the planet isn't much of a reach. I mean, they can fart plasma into space... having a caste that farts out oxygen is not an insane idea.
thats actually a really interesting idea
Imagine being born and your only purpose is to occasionally fart a cloud of oxygen into the air
@@yoboikamil525 "Stop talking sh^t about my purpose! Without our farts, we all die!"
But, then again, they are born into being fanatically loyal to their purpose and loving it.
If they were born with minds like ours, it'd be like that butter-passing robot on Rick & Morty.
@@That80sGuy1972 imagine gaining sentience and realizing that the whole reason everything is alive is because you occasionally fart out oxygen
@@yoboikamil525 I just did imagine that... the first part of my previous comment... you know, the wee bit of a joke.
The brain eater bug horrified me as a kid and even now it's one part of the movie that always creeps me out.
Horrifies me as an adult BUT is quite interesting
The canyon and rock formations may indicate that the planet was a world that once possessed an ocean but lost it due to maybe when a second sun decided to pop in, saw the other sun and had an infinite dance battle? I mean, weirder stuff happen in real life. It could be possible that another rogue sun just said sup bro to the other one touching base then realizing he couldn't leave.
I feel like trying to read up on the old Starship Troopers RPG (which combines elements of the Book, Movie, and old TV series together) might help to better understand the bugs and how they can be a threat to humanity, and lob an asteroid at Earth. I personally always thought that they used the 'Bug Ships' (which are pretty much just the bug answer to Space Whales) from the show to grab an asteroid and either redirect it, or carry it to the Sol system and let it go, firing it randomly at Earth. Plus with multiple Brainbugs working together maybe they can do the calculations needed to strike at Earth from that kind of distance.
Your missing the "billions of years of light speed travel" part unless they can warp a space rock they arent doing to the earth before the sun can consume it
@@Strawberrymilkdrink Good point. I was about to suggest the ship picked up the asteroid and then moved at FTL before letting it go but we don't really see much evidence of that, and the rock might not survive the trip.
@@liliththesolarexalted2206 not to mention the ship bug wouldn't survive without some form of energy shield and generate thrust to get it to light speed very quickly then your just asking why aren't they full frontal attacking the humans
@@Strawberrymilkdrink Well at the least they do have plasma engines (of a sort), the plasma bugs can fire up into space so its not that difficult to imagine the large ship bug having a similar mechanism for its engines. Though yeah i cant see how they have FTL unless its space magic.
@@Strawberrymilkdrink That literally happens in the movie. Izzy pilots her ship at the edge of Sol, where a meteor gets warped in out of nowhere. Taking out their comms and hitting Earth
Fun fact about the asteroid annihilating Buenos Ares, it's Carmen's fault if it hit earth at all: Besides the facts Roanoke pointed out, if her ship had not hit the asteroid in the exact way it did, up to the millimeter of steel thickness, it would have missed, she nudged it into earth by hitting it.
Or if the ship had a backup comm system, or some sort of orders to make contact to get replacement comms equipment, or anything else that could have been done to restore communications. Right?
Or if the asteroid was one of the Bugs, it just adjusted course after they were out of sight (non-Bug presence came from certain direction, change course to go in that direction)
Way to go Carmen
If you haven’t read the book..DO IT!....It was written in the late 50’s (if I remember correctly) and predicted tons of sci fi elements. Power armor, heads up displays etc...Also the arachnids in the boom look more like earth spiders and they had their own ships and underground cities so they have tech in the book...Also there’s a third race called “the skinnies” that are allied to the arachnids at first..The main character burns down a room full of skinny kids with a flamethrower...The book is a little more hardcore.
Loved this film when it came out and a few years later this movie was made even better for me when I found out my future father-in-law was in the movie @10:14. Him being the tall guy in the all black clothes with black hair in the back left side of the healing tube in the corridor walking back and forth in between it. Where I heard his motivation in that scene was "where is the bathroom?" xD Still great video all around 👍
"you can lead a child to knowledge but you can not make him think."
a line from their teacher/sergeant in the book.
Mr. Dubois was a retired Lieutenant Colonel, not a Sergeant.
Rico shooting the prof. in the gut instead of the head has always lived with me. Like wtf man instead of one in the dome the prof. gets two in the gut. Really shows Rico's respect for the man. 😅
It just is one examples of his ineptitude while surviving and being promoted. He's the living embodiment of the stupidity of the government in the series
He shot Rasczakin the chest, which, with the 7.62x51mm round the Moritas fired, was a guaranteed kill. A headshot is actually survivable in some cases, and therefore not a guaranteed kill. Rico's method ensured a quick, relatively painless death - Rasczak was long dead by the time the tanker breached the compound. It's the same reason hunters don't go for the head on big game - the heart and lungs guarantee a kill with as little pain and suffering as possible.
@@jfangm Beat me to it. It was a kill shot without making him ugly.
I will never get over Dizzy’s death.
Dina Meyer is STILL smoking hot
@@tachyon8317 Amen
Considering the god bugs later on can obviously interact instantaneously across the entire galaxy, the bugs having some level of access to slipspace and being able to bypass the asteroid defense makes some level of sense. Or it could have just been a false flag. Either way, it actually kinda makes sense.
I always just assumed it was a false flag to give humanity a casus belli for war and stir patriotism to get a rash of recruits. The idea that the bugs redirected the asteroid from Klendathu would imply they did so before humanity had even spawned into existence on Earth lmao.
The later (animated) movies which are set in the same continuity (technically) mention a wormhole the bugs are using to get to get across the galaxy.
ofc it is a false flag. They are airing war propaganda with a death toll a few seconds after it happens.
My only comment (and I don’t know how many others have commented this): at the beginning of the film, when they are talking on the infomercial about the planetary defence, the news cuts to the invasion of Klendathu being underway - it then cuts to a year earlier with Johnny in school. The first asteroid that Carman misses, that wipes out Johnny’s home, happens before the planetary defence is built. It gets built because of that one asteroid. That is also why Johnny appears on Klendathu at the start of the film, telling the cameraman to “get out of here now”... that scene plays out later with the cameraman getting impaled
If you look closely, you can see the squibs on the armor. Along with on Dizzy's armor before she gets taken out
"Kinda seems like humans are becoming the covenant at this point"
I dont hate thr covenant for what they do, i hate them for being xenos who must be purged
I hate them cause they started a genocide cause of a mistranslation of a word
@@chiefsenpai969 Yeah, thats how most of my genocides start unfortunately...
Brother we must purge.
@@chiefsenpai969 It’s funny how even if they didn’t mistranslate it, the prophets would still cover it up and try to murder us all to maintain their power.
@@purpleemerald5299 It would atleast give a chance for an earlier "Great Schism", with some of the Covenant witnessing the proof of Humans being the Reclaimers first-hand
Yes I’ve been asking for this my wish came true thank you
Absolutely!
@@RoanokeGaming now I can finally stop asking for it
8:30 This part not making sense... Is the point... Its a satire of fascist regimes, one of the identifiers for fascism is marking your enemy as "dangerously smart" and also "weak and stupid." Simultaneously. Which is why throughout the film, the Bugs are stated to be no smarter than animals, yet are also so smart they can hurl asteroids across the galaxy with precision to strike at human civilization. The asteroids were never sent by the bugs, they are just random asteroids, and its heavily implied that Carmon hitting the asteroid causes it to hit Buenos Aires, which is something the government wants, to incite a war. The American Way, baby.
The soldiers when they first arrive on the planet remind me of headless chickens or something like that running around clueless
It's closer to herds of hungry sheep.
At least in the same direction
Put them in powered armor and give them special forces training and select only the willing to enter combat.
I always thought the asteroid stuff was just a random rock that was around and the big wigs decided to let it hit Earth instead of destroying it in orbit so they could blame the bugs and go all out in war.
Ok let's try to explain something here. The asteroid shown at the beginning of the movie is actually happening in the future.
The asteroid that hits earth is the same one that Carmen encountered where the communication section of the ship was lost.
Thus they were unable to warn earth, which then strikes the earth.
@@KG-jm1zl You're right. But there is still some weight to the idea that the asteroid was actually just a fluke or random chance and the Federation decided to use it at as a reason to start the war. If that asteroid was moving as fast as it was believed to be, (from Big K to Earth) it would've done way more damage than only wiping out that one specific spot.
@@KG-jm1zl The ship carmen was in was ordered to go to that specific location, so them encountering that asteroid was no coincidence.
it also makes no sense since planet K was 150,000 light years from Earth
If an asteroid could reach earth from the other side of the galaxy as part of a modern day attack it really opens up so many issues. The bugs use zero tech but manage space travel somehow. It seems they must have some sort of rocket bug to get things on and off planet and maybe a hyperspace bug to move things between star systems. These bugs must force their own evolution somehow to allow themselves to have so many specific forms, developing new forms as needed. None of this is seen in the film but it seems to be implied given events.
@@CentralNexusPrime They could have organic ships, and a super powerful telepathic bug that can crunch the calculations necessary for such a shot.
Im doing my part!
Thanks citizen!
Not sure if anyone knows but this is based off of a book. It's one of the best military Sci fi books of all time.
The book has more military theory than anything else but one of the things in the book was that there was a 3rd race involved in this war.
The only people that don't know that are war 40k fans that think everyone else is ripping off gamesworkshop IP.
I love how you took a realistic scientific thought process when talking about the bugs and how they breath.
Fun fact: the director didn't actually read the book.
Well... he read maybe the first ten pages, and then set out to satirize militarism, fascism, and military rule by featuring bombastic displays of nationalism as well as news reports that are intensely xenophobic and propagandistic. (The book is often stated to promote fascism, but Heinlein *fought* the fascists in World War II... if you accused him of being a fascist, you'd get a black eye. He claimed to be libertarian, but in the 50s... when he wrote the book... he did believe a strong world government was the only way to avoid mutual nuclear annihilation.)
@@SpearM3064 Verhoeven himself said he didn't and wouldn't read the book. There's also nothing remotely fascist about it, and even what's in the movie disproves the claim that it's a fascist system. Business is independent from government, people can speak out against the government without repercussion, just to name to huge ones that are completely antithetical to fascism.
@@sporkwitch It's what Hollywood thinks fascism is; militaristic nationalism with xenophobia as cherry on the top. They have no idea what fascist political system would be like so of course they can't present anything like it in movies.
@@IamOutOfNames Fair, though also needs to be pointed out that Starship Troopers doesn't fit that bill either. Whole lot of writing about exactly that (alliances made, the raid on the Skinnies being with the goal of getting them to realize it's better to work with us than with the bugs against us; "you wouldn't spank a baby with an axe,"; etc.)
@Amos Allender yes, that was the director's intent, but he only succeeded in terms of imagery, not politics, systems, rights, or literally anything other than some cosmetic nazi references.
When Roanoke described klendathu you could swap it with California or Chicago and it would have still been apt 😂
“I do not need a wall, I will evolve armor. I do not need a weapon, I will evolve claws."
"The toolmakers might create something stronger than your armor and claws."
"Their tools stay the same. I collect. I change.”
-DEHAKA AND SARAH KERRIGAN (Starcraft2)
He fails to understand technology. Technology also changes.
@@ODDnanref yeah technology is kin to evolution, it’s always advancing past what becomes absolute. Without war on earth, a lot of our advances in technology might not have happened.
I recommend watching the animated series. There are also the acid spitting bugs, the fireflies, the comet bugs, human-bug hybrids, waterbugs, and of course the interstellar transport ship bug. There's also the infiltrator bug that the 2nd movie did, but the 2nd movie did a worse job using it. Also, I'm not making any of this up.
Where can I watch the series?
@@brookswilliams5239 It is apparently on something called Crackle.
@@LawWonGaming thanks! I think that's on one of my gaming systems
@@brookswilliams5239 the tv show is in CG and was on the sci-fi channel. It was decent CG but now is dated.
The starship troopers chronicles I believe it’s called
The recruiter was basically chosen to serve as a warning for the enlistees to show them what exactly they were signing up for.
The military stuff not making sense was because the Director went against the Novel and wanted to make a 'War is bad' movie instead, completely butchering the source material in favor of sending his message. or something That also explains why they seem to have barely any good tech and toys except for the shoulder mounted nukes. They're supposed to have Flight-capable Mech suits with shoulder mounted nukes lol. Thats why theyre called the Mobile Infantry
I really liked the usage of the Half Life Alyx Antlion combat song in the background when they first encounter the arachnid soldiers, It made me think about the similarities between the Xen and the Arachnids
And Now I realize how many Half-life songs there are in this video lol
I heard it too it's the entire sound track from what I can tell
The only good goblin is a dead goblin
- Goblin Slayer
Love that show
except that raping goblin, give that goblin a medal, he knows how good dat booty is lolol
Now let’s make these goblins good
Meanwhile, Berserk fans: “Goblins! That’s lame. Mass Raping Trolls and Ogres are the real deal”.