It’s not just that. If they are working the same job, you have to see if they are also working the same amount days of the week? Are they working same amount hours a day? Are they getting the same amount of work done each day compared to others? How many days off have they taken off? How many years have they been working in that job compared to the others? They could have been working in that job longer then you have. Obviously you are not going to make same amount of money for the same job as someone who has been working there for 10 years when you only worked there for 2 years.
Yup. In addition to working lower paying jobs , women tend to work less on jobs that they share with their male counterparts which leads to more money for men, greater output and better opportunity for advancement due to a perceived greater commitment to the job and career. This wage gap is a myth. Same way WNBA players want to make as much as NBA players when nobody watches (even women) they have lost money almost every year in existence. If the roles were reversed and the WNBA was subsidizing the nba, they would have shut down the nba 20 years ago
Exactly. Men acc need to form some sort of group like feminism too counter this radical ideology of entitlement to more money because there a women. Funny because the inequality they talk about is actually happening to men. For women to be paid the same as men then companies would have to oppress mens wages too make woman’s higher. It’s certainly not coming out the bosses pockets is it?
But thats still explainable. I know you used sarcasm but some are serious about that. Men pay, women dont care. They get paid. Whos gonna watch a dude getting naked and pay for it monthly anyways?
@@RBZ06LT6 "Whos gonna watch a dude getting naked and pay for it monthly anyways?" Gay men. Because they're just as visual as straight men, they're just looking at something else. But there are a lot fewer gay men than straight men, thus the demand for "naked women" is much higher. But that's the point. These wage gaps aren't due to discrimination. They're due to choices and supply/demand and differences in interests between men and women.
most important is type of profession - women steer towards lower paying professions, men towards higher professions - think STEM and computer science versus nursing and daycare
Also motherhood and maternity leave factor in, after maternity leave they’re likely to take less working hours. When we look at temperament, woman tend to be more agreeable and by average agreeable people tend to earn less then it’s counterpart. Men also tend to choose to go into fields that pay more.
@@happy_thinking Bro, the video is 30 seconds long. He did watch it. There just isn't an explanation. "women make different choices" doesn't say anything - the video needs to answer WHY.
Wage gaps should exist in physical works not in other works For equal efforts by us we must get equal money and here at my workplace I don’t even get respect by the ones at my own level .i also overtime .i out efforts for my family .where is my equal pay . And people in the comments are just going bonkers on how we don’t put efforts equally bro talk about the majority cases where we do like seriously .
This is a good point when analyzing data, however, you can’t say it’s fact that men and women’s choices are completely different to the point it affects it, that there even is a much different choice path between the two genders, and that there is no descrimination. The opposite can be said for the other side. It’s all speculation and putting all your eggs in a basket due to one interpretation of a data point could be dangerous.
A man and a women working together in the same job get payed the same. A women who is a teacher gets payed less than a man who is in business. (Usually)
Actually the data proves that it's due to different choices between the genders and not discriminatory hiring/pay practices. What the data doesn't cover is the different social pressures men and women face. Women might face the pressure to be a supermom, so when she becomes a mother maybe she cuts back her hours or she drops her career altogether to focus on motherhood, instead of simply bringing her kid to daycare. Of course that might also be biological. Perhaps women do have a more maternal instinct that drives them to focusing on family/kids. On the flipside, men are judged on their earning potential and ambition. Women prefer men who make decent to good money and who exhibit ambition within their careers. So there's a lot of men who are putting priority on earning potential and future promotion prospects within a company when they make career decisions, because that is how society AND WOMEN judge them. I'll put it this way. I work for a financial firm. When I started, there were 31 men and 29 women in our group. A pretty even split. It was a pretty typical corporate financial position. You're salaried at 40 hrs, but you're probably putting 45-50 hours in most weeks with the occasional slow weeks and some really busy weeks. But then we bought another company and had to bring all of their financial data over, and at the same time we switched up accounting systems and had to flip ALL of our data over. For two years when we were converting data, we were regularly working 60+ hour weeks. We were working early and staying late. By the time we finished it all up and went back to a normal work routine, we had 53 men and 12 women working in the same department. The women were quitting. They couldn't handle the long work hours and the sacrifices(mostly to social life) that came with. It wasn't because they were mothers either, because only two of the women were moms, and one of those two was still with us at the end. They just couldn't handle the workload and loss of social life and didn't think it was worth it, even with increased pay and likelihood for promotion at the end of it all. Look, none of us guys liked it either, but we knew that getting all of that extra pay, those bonuses, and sticking with it to become more senior in the company and earn a future promotion was worth it. But of course us men had that pressure on us to be providers and so we were more ready to make the sacrifices to our free time for the payout and future standing with the company.
This is a straight up irresponsible video to turn into a short. There's a MYRIAD of reasons why women make less than men on average, and to simply boil it down to "well they just don't invest in their future and skill lmao" is embarrassingly lazy. To end the video there is to leave the viewer with the impression that women are just dumb or something? Like "haha just work/go to school more 4head, there couldn't be systemic pressures that push women out of things like STEM, or aggressive salary negotiation, surely not." Like... this video is akin to people that say black folks are thugs because they commit more crimes than white folks, then give you the reason of "oh well its because of fatherless households." The impression they leave you with is that black people are just worse because they lack family values - they don't even THINK to ask WHY that's the case. Surely there's not any legal and generational reasons, surely not. Do better.
@@GerblerM no, he does not. He says the following: _differences in choices that men and women make about investing in their knowledge, their education, their skills and the job experience that leads to them getting payed different salaries_ You are reaching for conclusions and hearing what you want to hear.
How is it stupid? He's just explaining why the wage gap exists and that it isn't due to discriminatory hiring/pay systems. It's due to the different choices men and women make. Even most professional feminists will admit this if you press them. They understand that women aren't actually getting paid less for the same exact work.
Here is Prof. Horwitz original video:
th-cam.com/video/EwogDPh-Sow/w-d-xo.html
"if you torture the data for long enough, it'll tell you anything you want"
What’s your data that is in support of the pay gaps expistence?
bro a white knight 💀
If woman make less for the same job, why not hire all woman???😂
Because they are NOT working the same jobs.
It’s true i think the same thing always destroys their argument
It’s not just that. If they are working the same job, you have to see if they are also working the same amount days of the week? Are they working same amount hours a day?
Are they getting the same amount of work done each day compared to others?
How many days off have they taken off?
How many years have they been working in that job compared to the others? They could have been working in that job longer then you have.
Obviously you are not going to make same amount of money for the same job as someone who has been working there for 10 years when you only worked there for 2 years.
Yup. In addition to working lower paying jobs , women tend to work less on jobs that they share with their male counterparts which leads to more money for men, greater output and better opportunity for advancement due to a perceived greater commitment to the job and career. This wage gap is a myth. Same way WNBA players want to make as much as NBA players when nobody watches (even women) they have lost money almost every year in existence. If the roles were reversed and the WNBA was subsidizing the nba, they would have shut down the nba 20 years ago
What about the Only fans wage gap? Women make $20 for every $1 the men make.
That doesn't count. Because reasons.
Ye bro that doesn’t count because it doesn’t fit their agenda
Exactly. Men acc need to form some sort of group like feminism too counter this radical ideology of entitlement to more money because there a women. Funny because the inequality they talk about is actually happening to men. For women to be paid the same as men then companies would have to oppress mens wages too make woman’s higher. It’s certainly not coming out the bosses pockets is it?
But thats still explainable. I know you used sarcasm but some are serious about that. Men pay, women dont care. They get paid. Whos gonna watch a dude getting naked and pay for it monthly anyways?
@@RBZ06LT6 "Whos gonna watch a dude getting naked and pay for it monthly anyways?"
Gay men. Because they're just as visual as straight men, they're just looking at something else. But there are a lot fewer gay men than straight men, thus the demand for "naked women" is much higher.
But that's the point. These wage gaps aren't due to discrimination. They're due to choices and supply/demand and differences in interests between men and women.
Women in mall selling cosmetics can't figure out why man working as electrician makes more money. Duh!
Women who aren't making $90,000 a year doing Blue collar jobs that didn't require an education aren't going to like this lol
I wasn't born in that year but even I know this ended in the 60s
most important is type of profession - women steer towards lower paying professions, men towards higher professions - think STEM and computer science versus nursing and daycare
This is the main point of the video. Income is dependent on decisions and self-investments.
Also motherhood and maternity leave factor in, after maternity leave they’re likely to take less working hours. When we look at temperament, woman tend to be more agreeable and by average agreeable people tend to earn less then it’s counterpart. Men also tend to choose to go into fields that pay more.
A real explanation is missing, unfortunately in the video.
Just watch the whole video.
@@happy_thinking Bro, the video is 30 seconds long. He did watch it. There just isn't an explanation. "women make different choices" doesn't say anything - the video needs to answer WHY.
@@GerblerM If you aren't aware youtube shorts aren't full length content open their channel learn liberty if you want longer more detailed videos.
@@happy_thinking Yeah that's my whole point.
@@happy_thinking I've never heard of anyone doing this.
TH-cam short videos have to work on their own.
How can there be a gender gap when these same people say that there is no gender 😂😂
Wage gaps should exist in physical works not in other works
For equal efforts by us we must get equal money and here at my workplace I don’t even get respect by the ones at my own level .i also overtime .i out efforts for my family .where is my equal pay . And people in the comments are just going bonkers on how we don’t put efforts equally bro talk about the majority cases where we do like seriously .
It's not a _wage_ gap; it's an _effort_ gap.
Not many women at the steel mills
If I had a business than I would only hire women than.
That makes no sense like you aren’t going to pay less because of the gender
Exactly
Rip dr. Horwitz
This is a good point when analyzing data, however, you can’t say it’s fact that men and women’s choices are completely different to the point it affects it, that there even is a much different choice path between the two genders, and that there is no descrimination. The opposite can be said for the other side. It’s all speculation and putting all your eggs in a basket due to one interpretation of a data point could be dangerous.
A man and a women working together in the same job get payed the same. A women who is a teacher gets payed less than a man who is in business. (Usually)
Actually the data proves that it's due to different choices between the genders and not discriminatory hiring/pay practices.
What the data doesn't cover is the different social pressures men and women face. Women might face the pressure to be a supermom, so when she becomes a mother maybe she cuts back her hours or she drops her career altogether to focus on motherhood, instead of simply bringing her kid to daycare. Of course that might also be biological. Perhaps women do have a more maternal instinct that drives them to focusing on family/kids. On the flipside, men are judged on their earning potential and ambition. Women prefer men who make decent to good money and who exhibit ambition within their careers. So there's a lot of men who are putting priority on earning potential and future promotion prospects within a company when they make career decisions, because that is how society AND WOMEN judge them.
I'll put it this way. I work for a financial firm. When I started, there were 31 men and 29 women in our group. A pretty even split. It was a pretty typical corporate financial position. You're salaried at 40 hrs, but you're probably putting 45-50 hours in most weeks with the occasional slow weeks and some really busy weeks. But then we bought another company and had to bring all of their financial data over, and at the same time we switched up accounting systems and had to flip ALL of our data over. For two years when we were converting data, we were regularly working 60+ hour weeks. We were working early and staying late. By the time we finished it all up and went back to a normal work routine, we had 53 men and 12 women working in the same department. The women were quitting. They couldn't handle the long work hours and the sacrifices(mostly to social life) that came with. It wasn't because they were mothers either, because only two of the women were moms, and one of those two was still with us at the end. They just couldn't handle the workload and loss of social life and didn't think it was worth it, even with increased pay and likelihood for promotion at the end of it all. Look, none of us guys liked it either, but we knew that getting all of that extra pay, those bonuses, and sticking with it to become more senior in the company and earn a future promotion was worth it. But of course us men had that pressure on us to be providers and so we were more ready to make the sacrifices to our free time for the payout and future standing with the company.
Amen
This is a straight up irresponsible video to turn into a short. There's a MYRIAD of reasons why women make less than men on average, and to simply boil it down to "well they just don't invest in their future and skill lmao" is embarrassingly lazy.
To end the video there is to leave the viewer with the impression that women are just dumb or something? Like "haha just work/go to school more 4head, there couldn't be systemic pressures that push women out of things like STEM, or aggressive salary negotiation, surely not."
Like... this video is akin to people that say black folks are thugs because they commit more crimes than white folks, then give you the reason of "oh well its because of fatherless households." The impression they leave you with is that black people are just worse because they lack family values - they don't even THINK to ask WHY that's the case. Surely there's not any legal and generational reasons, surely not.
Do better.
^this
No one said women are stupid. Just you are. Click the link for the full video, ffs.
"well they just don't invest in their future and skill lmao"
Nowhere was this stated in the video, where are you pulling it from?
@@mkeyx82 Brother, it's the very last thing that he says.
@@GerblerM no, he does not. He says the following: _differences in choices that men and women make about investing in their knowledge, their education, their skills and the job experience that leads to them getting payed different salaries_
You are reaching for conclusions and hearing what you want to hear.
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
You must be hanging around some really smart people. Maybe ask them to explain the wage gap to you.
How is it stupid? He's just explaining why the wage gap exists and that it isn't due to discriminatory hiring/pay systems. It's due to the different choices men and women make.
Even most professional feminists will admit this if you press them. They understand that women aren't actually getting paid less for the same exact work.
“You’ll earn just as much when you work just as hard.” -Donald J. Trump