Hi Glenn. What, you saw my instructions on how to do a search, and followed them? Only you jumped in one of Stewie's time machines and went back 6 years hoping I wouldn't accidentally see one of your comments? Next time, turn the dial the opposite direction to go to the future to post. I will never see that "future" post in this time period. LMAO ..
Actually nvm. This video sucks too...all u fools do is play lame modern metal riffs thru these amps. The can do so much more but u idiots dont know how to play a guitar to save ur lives. Smh. Peace losers
Most of the people can hear the differences between the models but if you don't have a studio or a lot of money to invest the fact there is a 6505mh thats sounds almost like the other 2 it's HUGE!!
5150 is like a guitar and a bass drum synced up. Love it. I own a 5150 combo. Heaviest amp I ever owned.....no really....the amp weights like 90lbs and comes installed with three straps to be able lift it.
When do you this in the future, can you run through the unboosted tones first, and then the boosted tones? It makes it easier to compare the sound of the amps.
+Randy Morgan Watch the video. He plays all of them without a boost, and with a boost, while cycling through them. You know when he added it when all of a sudden there is a pedal hanging out with the amp he's playing.
You must not have understood his request. He'd rather hear the tone without the boost in front of each amp, then the tone with the boost. In this video, Fluff has the unboosted tone, then the boosted tone of the amp, then proceeds on to the next one.
I think hes just asking for it to be more segregated. Meaning, play the riff through one amp then stop and go to the next one and so forth. Then do it again with a boosted tone. Think like Glenn Fricker does on his channel. It makes it easier to fallow which tone is through which amp
everyone dont forget like he said you can dial in the tones on each one to sound close to the other, you can add more low end to the 6505+ to get closer to the 5150, hes just got them all at the same settings for this.
@@Lavabug if the seller doesnt lnow what they have, or its beat up... average on reverb is a little over $700. But even still, its onpt a small margin more for the big boy. Its just that they're marketed towards different people.
@@kotymccallister5150 actually I've found several 6505s and 5150s on local listings before. Hell I picked up my 6505+ for 500$. I recently saw a block letter 5150 for around 550
6505MH for live application. In this demo, the 5150's balls and resonance would get completely lost within a band context and live mix. When your mids are scooped, your lows get flooded by the bass guitar and the highs get washed out by the drummer's cymbals. The tubescreamer improved the 5150's mix-cutting capability somewhat, but was clearly trumped by the 6505. Reading the comments below, it just makes me shake my head. Yes, the 5150 sounded fucking badass, and alone in your garage or bedroom, cranking and chugging is the greatest thing since sliced bread... but live? When the other guitarist has an equally "BR00T4L" tone? No thanks.
Oh yeah, not necessarily disputing that. Fluff goes on to say that each model can actually overlap the other's tones, the "flat EQ" setting on the 5150 is clearly perfect for balls to the wall metal studio tone, just not live tone.
+Gordon Tubbs I can assure you(from experience) that a 5150 cuts through just fine in a live mix. Granted I owned a signature model for years and not a block letter but the only difference between them is the tubes they shipped with. It has plenty of mid-range and there's a reason why most bands on planet earth have used one at one point since they hit the market in the 90s. I ran mine with tungsol preamp tubes and Winged =C= model 6L6 power tubes, ran the mids on 7, highs on 7 and lows on 4.5 and it sang. We used a dual recto/5150 setup for gigs for many years and it always sounded killer. Both boosted with tubescreamers.
+Gordon Tubbs I have owned the 5150 and the 6505. They cut through better than any hi gain head i have owned. If you get lost in the mix with a Peavey, then you are doing something wrong. I have owned just about everything from Soldano to Marshall to Mesa, and many others TOO many to list. I stuck with mesa but Peavey heads cut through the mix the best, even when scooped. This is fact. Unless you are mic'ed up extremely well like better than 90% of local venues are even capible of, then you would be extremely upset getting a 6505mh over a 6505 or 5150. Tracked it sounds sweet and with a less heavier band it may rock for you live, but if you want the brootz live, the MH wont cut it. I've rehearsed with a mini rec and a 6505mh, unmic'ed it just doesn't have the girth for heavy stuff. BUT both are fuckin sweet heads nonetheless.
The 6505+ cut so much better than its older brother. Never would have thought the 5150 to be so scooped right out the box until I finally heard one! Great video Fluff!
I've got a USA made 6505+ and Maxon 808 with a Mesa V30 cab and it's the most sexy tone ever for any metal under the sun. Totally worth it if you can find a USA made one besides the new china ones, noticed a huge difference in sound and quality between the 2.
2StrokeHeretic holy fuck! I follow your riding page on here and insta. knew you payed guitar as well but fuck, (ha butt fuck) what are the odds of seeing you on the same shootout video I watched?? Good taste brotha. Good taste. 💪
All three were hench. That 5150 hit me just a little more, but the real story (in my opinion) is how the mini head really stood up with the big boys. Rad demo fluff.
6505+ no question about it now if each amp was tweaked perfect my answer may be different but in this the 6505+ had the thick low end you don't get out of a mini head and clarity that the 5150 just didn't have
That 5150's got that "in your face ready to brawl" tone!! Its alive and breathing from being handwired in the USA. The other 2 are killer as well, but man that block letter is screaming!
Great video as always Ryan. I know the point is to hear these amps in a band mix, but it'd be awfully cool to hear these without the backing tracks, just amps alone. Maybe in the future?
I have it, I don't like the high gain channel....but the crunch boosted with my tubescreamer sounds awesome.....the diavlo seems like a better choice since it has more preamp tubes and 6l6 power tubes instead of el 84s on the 6505 mh and only 3 preamp tubes.
The 5150 is a monster.....I have one with the bias mod .....you only need the green channel with gain at 7 with this one, crunch and bright engaged with a tube screamer then your set. Use the red channel as your solo boost.
I really like the heaviness and the bass of the 5150, and the midrange growl of the MH. But, I feel that for studio situations the 6505+ finds a great balance between the bass and mid frequencies that makes this amp extremely easy to mix. Great shootout!
just bought a 5150 212 combo thanks to your vid man!! wicked stoked!! Been a huge Zao and norma jean fan since I was young and that's the main amp those guys use. Thanks Fluff!!
I have to say Peavy really struck gold with all of these amps. I have 6505 and it is a tone monster and indestructible. it has survived 2 tours bouncing around a van while crisscrossing North America and never quit on me even after I spilled beer down the vent onto hot tubes. it is quite simply a tank. I'm still running the original tubes 10 years later and still sounds as good as the day I bought it.
Yeah, get ready for visits by the police for noise violations. I have the 6505mh and set to 5w my neighbors complain. I don't even live in a apartment, I live in a house with several yards between neighbors... All these amps are a beast, but the big boys are meant to rock a stage at a large venue :)
another crazy thing is the Peavey mace is the big brother of the Peavey Deuce i used to own the 212 version of the deuce i used to record with the 410 deuce my neighbor has in his recording studio. great raw, classic sounding amps skynyrd and mark knophler used
I liked the 6505+ the most. The MH doesn't do a bad job at all though, especially considering the price and what you get out of it, it just lacks a bit of the low end that makes the 6505 so chunky. The 5150 did seem super scooped to me as well and I like a bright mid range that cuts through the mix so...6505 for me!!
That's because the 5150 mk 1 hates jj's in the pre amp.They can make really good amps sound like shit.Cheap Chinese 12 ax7's is all you need to bring it to life.
I loved them all. It's funny to hear how scooped the block letter is! And considering the fact that the mini head is more than half the price, it still kept up! Amazing amps.
Thanks so much for doing this Fluff! There hasn't been a good comparison of these amps until now. Honestly to me the 6505+ is the winner here just because of the mids it has. If the 5150's mids were higher I'd probably like that the best. Also at some point check out running these amps with the presence on 9! It really opens up the top end and it sounds like taking a blanket off the speaker. I know Glenn from SMG does this as well.
Maybe I'm slightly biased since I myself play a 6505+, but the thicker, slightly bassier tone of the 6505+ is definitely something I would reach for first out of those three. I'm really surprised/impressed how well the 6505MH holds up the its predecessors, though. Solid amps all around!
Same. I have been hunting every 6505mh shootout I can find on youtube for about 2 weeks now and have yet to see it lose overall, considering the price point. I would still love to have a rectoverb 25 but this even holds agenst that one in my opinion and for a fraction of the price. Disclaimer I have no plans to gig and that has an effect on my current opinion, idk what I would gig with if my health was better but probably still either the 6505mh or the 6505 plus.
0:56, no offence, or anything...this is just to clear things out a bit; the 5150 did not "form heavy music". There was plenty of heavy music made before 1992, in which the 5150 was not even part of. By a long shot.
Yeah, I remember when for the first time hearing each of Slayer and Metallica's Reign in Blood and Master of Puppets just after they released and thinking it'll never be able to get more intense. :D And, of course, there had been heavy music long before that. Still, IMO in some ways some of the attitude and aggressiveness that went into some of the '80s stuff stands up to this day, and boosted and/or modded Marshalls, Laney, Carvin x100b's, Mesa Mark series amps, and various rack rigs made for the heavy tones of the times. 8)
Just got a 1992 Block letter 5150, after having a 6505 MH for a few months. MY GOD. Tone boner city. The 5150 is just all around great, sad it took me years to realize peavey had such gems for such a great price. Thanks for this demo Fluff.
Just picked up at 6505 at a pawn shop for $350 clearance tag. I thought it might be broken. They gave me 3 days full money back guarantee. I said why not. Plugged it in my cab. Noticed right away a preamp tube was bad. Replaced it. Now It sounds freaking amazing! . They had a sticker on it originally for 500 bucks. They probably thought it was broken.
6505+ was my favorite out of that shoot out. I felt that it had a little more low end that made it sound beefy and fat and that's a sound i would strive for aha
I like the 5150 the most. Maybe I'm just old. I dont know. I feel like it brings the fullest, most balanced sound into the mix while keeping the savageness and evil tone even in lower gain. It also sounds the best boosted and highlights even more just how evil and dark this amp sounds even in low gain and high clarity of notes.
Apparently the 5150 from '92 had a weird thing happen, where the presence knob doesn't kick in before 6, so that could explain the "scooped" sound compared to the others, who would have had some presence dialed in where the 5150 had none.
I've tried every older 5150 variant under the son(not counting the 5150 3 by Fender/EVH). The 5150 Block Letter. The 5150 Sig. The 5150 II, the 6505, 6505+, 6505MH, etc. The best sounding one I have ever tried and still own is the original 5150 block letter. It's had a bias mod done but nothing radical...and I don't even know the specifics since I didn't perform it, I bought the amp after it had been modded. I've compared it with a verified stock 5150 block letter and the difference was mostly evident on the rhythm channel set as clean as I could get it. Less sterile sounding, more warm and sustain seemed better. Any difference with high gain on the lead channel was minimal but that could've been the tubes, really. The amp has a usable clean channel even at high volumes, sounds pretty good with my chorus/delay pedals running. As far as tubes, the best I've ever gotten my 5150 to sound was with Winged =C= power 6L6s in the power amp, and in the pre-amp I had a single tung sol in V1, with shuguang chinese 12ax7s in the rest of the preamp slots. I've tried tons of different combinations and brands(some of which are rebrands obviously) but that is the combination the amp seems to love and I've stuck with it over the last decade or so. Rubies, JJs, Tung Sols in all slots, Electro Harmonix, Sovteks, you name I've tried it. As far as power tubes, nothing beats the =C= tubes in my book. Not for that amp in particular. I tried this combination after surfing the harmony central forums religiously years and years ago lol. It seemed like everyone and their brother was running their 5150 with these tubes, so I tried it on a hunch after previously running JJ power tubes and EH 12ax7s. So. Much. Better.
Thanks for this video Fluff! I had an original 5150 (of course like a dumb dumb I sold it) but also have a bone stock 6505+ Ive used for 8 years and love it! Gonna retube pre amp section with Tung Sol 12AX7 (V1 and V6) and JJEC83 in between, cant wait to hear it! The 5150 def has a scooped mid characteristic about it but the 6505+ has a certain 'smack' to it that can't be beat in my opinion. I know you described the pre amp tubes in all of the amps but whatcha using for power tubes? Thanks man, horns up!
had both at a certain stage.. the old 5150 and the 6505+.. i preferred the raw growly sound of the 5150. the 6505+ was more of a beehive on certain settings, it was thinner sounding really. I had no problem cutting through in the mix with both. They are both rather mid heavy amps.
Speaking of that 92' Peavey 5150 block letter "this is the amp that all the modelers try to imitate, this is the amp that formed heavy music as we know it today". That's a very true statement. The first album this amp appeared on would have been Van Halen's - For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, which is my favorite of the Hagar era VH albums. That was very early 90s right before Grunge movement and the tone we're hearing on it never could have existed before it because the amp and guitar were both EVH signature editions that were still in prototype stage during the recording.
Hey Fluff, this shoot out has me thinking. From a recording standpoint, are high wattage amps really necessary in the studio? I know there are many factors that can determine the choice. But, generally speaking what advantages does recording with high watt amps offer compared to smaller combo amps? Thanks Fluff. keep on keepin' on!
Hey Fluff, thanks for doing this shootout. The 6505+ sounded the best to me, but all of them are very close. What song are u playing and what's the tuning for this?
Are you going to try to demo the 6505 Piranha when it comes out? It would also be cool to see it against the Orange Micro Dark. Keep up the awesome videos!
Out of curiosity, why do you prefer running the 5150/6505/6505MH on the rhythm channel with boost, instead of just the lead channel? I think in all of your videos featuring these Peavey amps, this seems to be the case. Thanks!
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mmmmmm... gotta love that tritone
+Rob Scallon Amen, bro
Rob Scallon You used that too in your brootal breakdown with Dave, didn't you?
I always thought it was Rob "Scallops"
Been mispronouncing that for about two months already.
I'm an idiot man fuh
The deathcore chord
Great work!
SpectreSoundStudios High praise from this guy. Now play bass, Fluff, and see if it holds up.
Hi Glenn. What, you saw my instructions on how to do a search, and followed them? Only you jumped in one of Stewie's time machines and went back 6 years hoping I wouldn't accidentally see one of your comments? Next time, turn the dial the opposite direction to go to the future to post.
I will never see that "future" post in this time period. LMAO
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Go away glenn, ur videos suck compared to his
Actually nvm. This video sucks too...all u fools do is play lame modern metal riffs thru these amps. The can do so much more but u idiots dont know how to play a guitar to save ur lives. Smh. Peace losers
@@BeyondOurSolarSystemwhat kind of shit are you smoking dude?
The 6505+ sounded like it had the most cut and tightness. I liked it the most.
Hahaha how could you tell that ? None of them sound any different in this video
@@jessicawalden6072 Because I'm not tone deaf?
Jessica Walden just because you don’t hear a difference doesn’t mean there isn’t one lol
They absolutely do not sound the same lol
Jessica Walden Oof
Most of the people can hear the differences between the models but if you don't have a studio or a lot of money to invest the fact there is a 6505mh thats sounds almost like the other 2 it's HUGE!!
5150 is like a guitar and a bass drum synced up. Love it. I own a 5150 combo. Heaviest amp I ever owned.....no really....the amp weights like 90lbs and comes installed with three straps to be able lift it.
God, that 5150 sounds amazing.
I really liked the "thicker" sound of the 6505+, sounded exactly like i would want my amp to sound.
+Camiel Hirschberg Glorious beard man !
love the 6505+ the 120 Watt . but they all sound great.
When do you this in the future, can you run through the unboosted tones first, and then the boosted tones? It makes it easier to compare the sound of the amps.
+Randy Morgan Watch the video. He plays all of them without a boost, and with a boost, while cycling through them. You know when he added it when all of a sudden there is a pedal hanging out with the amp he's playing.
You must not have understood his request. He'd rather hear the tone without the boost in front of each amp, then the tone with the boost.
In this video, Fluff has the unboosted tone, then the boosted tone of the amp, then proceeds on to the next one.
I think hes just asking for it to be more segregated. Meaning, play the riff through one amp then stop and go to the next one and so forth. Then do it again with a boosted tone. Think like Glenn Fricker does on his channel. It makes it easier to fallow which tone is through which amp
I love the sound of the 6505+. Perfect combination of punch and clarity, IMO. Thanks for uploading this!
I personally really liked how scooped the 5150 sounded. I thought it sounded a little bit heavier too.
I love the 5150. Imo one of the best amps ever build
everyone dont forget like he said you can dial in the tones on each one to sound close to the other, you can add more low end to the 6505+ to get closer to the 5150, hes just got them all at the same settings for this.
considering the thing is only $500 new the 6505 mini is definitely impressive!
@Curtis Newton not anymore they aren't. About $599 nowadays. In the used end you can scoop one for $350 lol
you can find a used 6505+ for 400-500
@@Lavabug if the seller doesnt lnow what they have, or its beat up... average on reverb is a little over $700. But even still, its onpt a small margin more for the big boy.
Its just that they're marketed towards different people.
@@kotymccallister5150 actually I've found several 6505s and 5150s on local listings before. Hell I picked up my 6505+ for 500$. I recently saw a block letter 5150 for around 550
@@guitarandgames1386 damn, I wish I could get that lucky lol
The low end of the 5150 is unreal, and the amp sounds amazing. But I'd say my favourite is the 6505MH. If it had more low end it would be insane.
6505MH for live application. In this demo, the 5150's balls and resonance would get completely lost within a band context and live mix. When your mids are scooped, your lows get flooded by the bass guitar and the highs get washed out by the drummer's cymbals. The tubescreamer improved the 5150's mix-cutting capability somewhat, but was clearly trumped by the 6505. Reading the comments below, it just makes me shake my head. Yes, the 5150 sounded fucking badass, and alone in your garage or bedroom, cranking and chugging is the greatest thing since sliced bread... but live? When the other guitarist has an equally "BR00T4L" tone? No thanks.
+Gordon Tubbs Very true but in this demo the 5150 sounds amazing, way better than the 6505 imo
Oh yeah, not necessarily disputing that. Fluff goes on to say that each model can actually overlap the other's tones, the "flat EQ" setting on the 5150 is clearly perfect for balls to the wall metal studio tone, just not live tone.
+Gordon Tubbs you could probs dial back the bass a tad, and probably the resonance and get it to cut through. I'd choose the 6505 as well, though.
+Gordon Tubbs I can assure you(from experience) that a 5150 cuts through just fine in a live mix. Granted I owned a signature model for years and not a block letter but the only difference between them is the tubes they shipped with. It has plenty of mid-range and there's a reason why most bands on planet earth have used one at one point since they hit the market in the 90s.
I ran mine with tungsol preamp tubes and Winged =C= model 6L6 power tubes, ran the mids on 7, highs on 7 and lows on 4.5 and it sang. We used a dual recto/5150 setup for gigs for many years and it always sounded killer. Both boosted with tubescreamers.
+Gordon Tubbs I have owned the 5150 and the 6505. They cut through better than any hi gain head i have owned. If you get lost in the mix with a Peavey, then you are doing something wrong. I have owned just about everything from Soldano to Marshall to Mesa, and many others TOO many to list. I stuck with mesa but Peavey heads cut through the mix the best, even when scooped. This is fact. Unless you are mic'ed up extremely well like better than 90% of local venues are even capible of, then you would be extremely upset getting a 6505mh over a 6505 or 5150. Tracked it sounds sweet and with a less heavier band it may rock for you live, but if you want the brootz live, the MH wont cut it. I've rehearsed with a mini rec and a 6505mh, unmic'ed it just doesn't have the girth for heavy stuff. BUT both are fuckin sweet heads nonetheless.
The 6505+ cut so much better than its older brother. Never would have thought the 5150 to be so scooped right out the box until I finally heard one! Great video Fluff!
The 5150 sounded best to me! \m/
I've got a USA made 6505+ and Maxon 808 with a Mesa V30 cab and it's the most sexy tone ever for any metal under the sun. Totally worth it if you can find a USA made one besides the new china ones, noticed a huge difference in sound and quality between the 2.
bakerXderek CHHHEAAAAAA 👌 The price of the 6505's used these days is unreal. Sounds like you've got yourself a killer rig man!
2StrokeHeretic holy fuck! I follow your riding page on here and insta. knew you payed guitar as well but fuck, (ha butt fuck) what are the odds of seeing you on the same shootout video I watched?? Good taste brotha. Good taste. 💪
Cheah !
I swear we watch the same stuff all the time, cheah mate.
bakerXderek hey bud, so does the maxon suck out bass like the tube screamer does? What tubes are in your head? Thanks
All three were hench. That 5150 hit me just a little more, but the real story (in my opinion) is how the mini head really stood up with the big boys. Rad demo fluff.
That low end on the 5150 just gets you right in the gut! I love it!
Man that 5150 is the best
Sooo trueee!! Is the damn deapest tone!!
I tried one and it can be so deep wothout even the need of high master nor gain...
It's a mistery!
I picked up a block letter recently and it blew me away. Just has some serious mojo.
When boosted with the TS, it just becames a beast! A lot of low end (much more than the others)... But tight and agressive!
To bad they don’t make them anymore
Definitely liking the 6505+ the most. It sounds like it'd punch its way through a mix quite nicely.
6505+ no question about it now if each amp was tweaked perfect my answer may be different but in this the 6505+ had the thick low end you don't get out of a mini head and clarity that the 5150 just didn't have
I still have my 5150. Used to have a 6505+ as well. It seemed a bit more "compressed" but I really liked it as well.
For the space saving and non-band work, the MH is the winner. But if I’m in a band, I need all 3.
That 5150's got that "in your face ready to brawl" tone!! Its alive and breathing from being handwired in the USA. The other 2 are killer as well, but man that block letter is screaming!
The block letter isn't hand wired, it's printed circuit board. I own one and have owned 5 or so previously and I've opened the chassis many times.
That OG 5150 tone is second to none.
Great video as always Ryan. I know the point is to hear these amps in a band mix, but it'd be awfully cool to hear these without the backing tracks, just amps alone. Maybe in the future?
That intro song tone is just amazing, always come back for it!!!
The 6505+ had the most pronounced mid-range frequencies in the shoot-out and that's quite appealing to me since I love mids.
I've had a Block Letter and loved it, but with how my ears picked up all three amps I think I preferred the sound of the 6505+ in this video.
Loved the midrange bite of the MH, it also seems somewhat less fizzy. Doesn't have as much low end as it's big brothers, but still the one I'd go for.
Oh man. Been waiting for this vid for a loooong time. A long time. Very nice, sir.
I'm probably going to buy a 6505 MH because I'm on a budget and I just love the tone of a 6505
I might be getting one this summer. Either that or a Randall RD20 or a Panama Shaman
You will not regret it. I got one and it is the best thing I've ever spent my money on besides my guitar
I have it, I don't like the high gain channel....but the crunch boosted with my tubescreamer sounds awesome.....the diavlo seems like a better choice since it has more preamp tubes and 6l6 power tubes instead of el 84s on the 6505 mh and only 3 preamp tubes.
+isaac thrash it's my first tube amp which is probably why i think so highly of it haha. But good input, i have not heard of that other amp you said
It's not a bad amp....but not worth 500
I love the sound of these amps. There's just a rawness and unrefined sound you just can't get out of other amps!
6505+ with the maxon gave me goosebumps! The mini was nice and I will probably get one in the coming months for how close it was. Great video!
Fluff: "Which one is your favorite...?"
Me: "Yes."
Read as said
The 5150 is a monster.....I have one with the bias mod .....you only need the green channel with gain at 7 with this one, crunch and bright engaged with a tube screamer then your set. Use the red channel as your solo boost.
I really like the heaviness and the bass of the 5150, and the midrange growl of the MH. But, I feel that for studio situations the 6505+ finds a great balance between the bass and mid frequencies that makes this amp extremely easy to mix. Great shootout!
That deathcore chord was not something I anticipated from you.
What
I didn't expect it either but it sure sounded sick
timestamp?
thank
I KNOW RIGHT?!?! I heard that and started dying!!!
just bought a 5150 212 combo thanks to your vid man!! wicked stoked!! Been a huge Zao and norma jean fan since I was young and that's the main amp those guys use. Thanks Fluff!!
Johnathan Jerusik I've got a 5150 212 and a 6505MH myself. You won't be disappointed with the 212. Well, unless you have to move it anywhere hahahaha
5150 sounded the best! I am about to buy one!
Good choice-
where did you bought it? I can't find it anywhere
Felipe Amigo out of all places I found a private seller over in jersey. I just
Got to change the tubes out in it. Got it for 500 bucks.
@@jaredgiangiulio1526 thanks!
5150 block letter. I had one.. sold it for 150.00. FML.
wowyou done fucked up
Yeah... a little.
Let me know if you're selling another one any time soon!
This makes me want to cry.
+Hunter Puhr it's not all bad... I bought it from a kid for 100. I assume it was hot.
I really liked the original 5150 tone the best.
+Cole Justesen agreed the 5150 with the maxon box and post eq so sold
Did it sound like it had less mids to you?
@@frylocdub , yeah, but with the TS, it just became killer!
the 5150 just blew me away, the other two amps just couldn't compete when I heard the 5150
where were those kind of videos when i needed them in early 2000's ?
great comparison
I have to say Peavy really struck gold with all of these amps. I have 6505 and it is a tone monster and indestructible. it has survived 2 tours bouncing around a van while crisscrossing North America and never quit on me even after I spilled beer down the vent onto hot tubes. it is quite simply a tank. I'm still running the original tubes 10 years later and still sounds as good as the day I bought it.
Fluff, really enjoyed the song and the amps. Thanks for the superb content
Although you can tell there's a difference between the three, I don't know if it's enough to really matter. They all sound great.
6505+ for me!
That 6505+ gives you that As I Lay Dying tone, very high gain and clear also tight at the same time, that sounds the best to me.
bought a 5150. cant wait to piss my neighbors off
That thing is stupid loud! Your neighbors gonna love it,
Yeah, get ready for visits by the police for noise violations. I have the 6505mh and set to 5w my neighbors complain. I don't even live in a apartment, I live in a house with several yards between neighbors... All these amps are a beast, but the big boys are meant to rock a stage at a large venue :)
Awesome. Would be also interesting to see the piranha next to them
The '92 5150 for me all day! I'm still stuck on the Mesa sound myself though. Great video Fluff.
another crazy thing is the Peavey mace is the big brother of the Peavey Deuce i used to own the 212 version of the deuce i used to record with the 410 deuce my neighbor has in his recording studio. great raw, classic sounding amps skynyrd and mark knophler used
That 6505 with a Maxon is seriously perfect tone. I loved it!
I liked the 6505+ the most. The MH doesn't do a bad job at all though, especially considering the price and what you get out of it, it just lacks a bit of the low end that makes the 6505 so chunky. The 5150 did seem super scooped to me as well and I like a bright mid range that cuts through the mix so...6505 for me!!
That's because the 5150 mk 1 hates jj's in the pre amp.They can make really good amps sound like shit.Cheap Chinese 12 ax7's is all you need to bring it to life.
Sweet video!Thanx dude. Your classic 5150 has very powerful lowend. So I want that tone macthed your 5150 on BIAS app.
I loved them all. It's funny to hear how scooped the block letter is! And considering the fact that the mini head is more than half the price, it still kept up! Amazing amps.
would you recommend the 6505mh for at home play/recording?
The 5150 chugg was out of this world *-* also Fluff, what do you think of the Hughes&Kettner GrandMeister 36? Cheers, thanks for your work
Holy Shit 1:57. There is definitely a difference between these amps. 6505+ & the MH sound so close. Thanks for doing this vid.
They all sound great. Still love the old 5150, though!
Thanks so much for doing this Fluff! There hasn't been a good comparison of these amps until now. Honestly to me the 6505+ is the winner here just because of the mids it has. If the 5150's mids were higher I'd probably like that the best.
Also at some point check out running these amps with the presence on 9! It really opens up the top end and it sounds like taking a blanket off the speaker. I know Glenn from SMG does this as well.
Maybe I'm slightly biased since I myself play a 6505+, but the thicker, slightly bassier tone of the 6505+ is definitely something I would reach for first out of those three. I'm really surprised/impressed how well the 6505MH holds up the its predecessors, though. Solid amps all around!
I've been eyeing some amps recently and was intrigued with the 6505mh. After watching this, I'm 98% sure it will be my next purchase.
Same. I have been hunting every 6505mh shootout I can find on youtube for about 2 weeks now and have yet to see it lose overall, considering the price point. I would still love to have a rectoverb 25 but this even holds agenst that one in my opinion and for a fraction of the price. Disclaimer I have no plans to gig and that has an effect on my current opinion, idk what I would gig with if my health was better but probably still either the 6505mh or the 6505 plus.
0:56, no offence, or anything...this is just to clear things out a bit; the 5150 did not "form heavy music". There was plenty of heavy music made before 1992, in which the 5150 was not even part of. By a long shot.
Yeah, I remember when for the first time hearing each of Slayer and Metallica's Reign in Blood and Master of Puppets just after they released and thinking it'll never be able to get more intense. :D And, of course, there had been heavy music long before that. Still, IMO in some ways some of the attitude and aggressiveness that went into some of the '80s stuff stands up to this day, and boosted and/or modded Marshalls, Laney, Carvin x100b's, Mesa Mark series amps, and various rack rigs made for the heavy tones of the times. 8)
I agree Fluff. The 6505+ sounded the best to my ears. Nice low end with real bite.
Your intro song always gets me pumped!
the differences was so subtle its crazy. they're pretty much all sounded the same. oddly my favorite was the mini.
Great stuff thank you!
God I cannot help it, the 5150 is just so beautiful.
5150 solid, rounded, killer tone!! ... if you have any doubt about it --> 2:20 holly crap!!
God I need an old block letter.. my 6505MH will be here tomorrow, super excited for that little thing.
I dug the 6505+ with the tubescreamer the most. Perhaps the tubes made me dig it? Nice comparison! Thanks Fluff.
gotta say, the 5150 without the pedal was probably my favorite tone, but if you could get that with the mini head, that would be ideal.
Just got a 1992 Block letter 5150, after having a 6505 MH for a few months. MY GOD.
Tone boner city. The 5150 is just all around great, sad it took me years to realize peavey had such gems for such a great price.
Thanks for this demo Fluff.
They're all good but that 5150 has got huge presence and balls. 1:56 the 5150 on its own. Ultimate chug tone.
I actually preferred the sound of the 6505 MH on this recording, wasn’t expecting that.
Just picked up at 6505 at a pawn shop for $350 clearance tag. I thought it might be broken. They gave me 3 days full money back guarantee. I said why not. Plugged it in my cab. Noticed right away a preamp tube was bad. Replaced it. Now It sounds freaking amazing! . They had a sticker on it originally for 500 bucks. They probably thought it was broken.
6505+ was my favorite out of that shoot out. I felt that it had a little more low end that made it sound beefy and fat and that's a sound i would strive for aha
I like the 5150 the most. Maybe I'm just old. I dont know. I feel like it brings the fullest, most balanced sound into the mix while keeping the savageness and evil tone even in lower gain. It also sounds the best boosted and highlights even more just how evil and dark this amp sounds even in low gain and high clarity of notes.
Oh my god that 5150 is just ridiculous. Jesus. Just a wall of heavy riffing goodness. I need it.
Apparently the 5150 from '92 had a weird thing happen, where the presence knob doesn't kick in before 6, so that could explain the "scooped" sound compared to the others, who would have had some presence dialed in where the 5150 had none.
All 3 heads are great for different purposes. 6505 mh for rehearsing, 6505+ for recording, and the 5150 is great for gigging.
Shoutout from Mississippi. Made in my hometown
I've tried every older 5150 variant under the son(not counting the 5150 3 by Fender/EVH). The 5150 Block Letter. The 5150 Sig. The 5150 II, the 6505, 6505+, 6505MH, etc. The best sounding one I have ever tried and still own is the original 5150 block letter. It's had a bias mod done but nothing radical...and I don't even know the specifics since I didn't perform it, I bought the amp after it had been modded. I've compared it with a verified stock 5150 block letter and the difference was mostly evident on the rhythm channel set as clean as I could get it. Less sterile sounding, more warm and sustain seemed better. Any difference with high gain on the lead channel was minimal but that could've been the tubes, really. The amp has a usable clean channel even at high volumes, sounds pretty good with my chorus/delay pedals running.
As far as tubes, the best I've ever gotten my 5150 to sound was with Winged =C= power 6L6s in the power amp, and in the pre-amp I had a single tung sol in V1, with shuguang chinese 12ax7s in the rest of the preamp slots. I've tried tons of different combinations and brands(some of which are rebrands obviously) but that is the combination the amp seems to love and I've stuck with it over the last decade or so. Rubies, JJs, Tung Sols in all slots, Electro Harmonix, Sovteks, you name I've tried it. As far as power tubes, nothing beats the =C= tubes in my book. Not for that amp in particular. I tried this combination after surfing the harmony central forums religiously years and years ago lol. It seemed like everyone and their brother was running their 5150 with these tubes, so I tried it on a hunch after previously running JJ power tubes and EH 12ax7s. So. Much. Better.
Favorite tone for the video was definitely the OG 5150 with the OD pedal. I always love the sound of slightly extra gain.
don't the tubes scoop the sound here and there, too, especially in the preamp?
I liked the 5150, but I'm partial to scooped-mids. Would love to see a shootout between the 6506MH and the Mini Rec 25!
Thanks for this video Fluff! I had an original 5150 (of course like a dumb dumb I sold it) but also have a bone stock 6505+ Ive used for 8 years and love it! Gonna retube pre amp section with Tung Sol 12AX7 (V1 and V6) and JJEC83 in between, cant wait to hear it! The 5150 def has a scooped mid characteristic about it but the 6505+ has a certain 'smack' to it that can't be beat in my opinion. I know you described the pre amp tubes in all of the amps but whatcha using for power tubes? Thanks man, horns up!
had both at a certain stage.. the old 5150 and the 6505+.. i preferred the raw growly sound of the 5150. the 6505+ was more of a beehive on certain settings, it was thinner sounding really. I had no problem cutting through in the mix with both. They are both rather mid heavy amps.
Speaking of that 92' Peavey 5150 block letter "this is the amp that all the modelers try to imitate, this is the amp that formed heavy music as we know it today". That's a very true statement. The first album this amp appeared on would have been Van Halen's - For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, which is my favorite of the Hagar era VH albums. That was very early 90s right before Grunge movement and the tone we're hearing on it never could have existed before it because the amp and guitar were both EVH signature editions that were still in prototype stage during the recording.
Hey Fluff, this shoot out has me thinking. From a recording standpoint, are high wattage amps really necessary in the studio? I know there are many factors that can determine the choice. But, generally speaking what advantages does recording with high watt amps offer compared to smaller combo amps? Thanks Fluff. keep on keepin' on!
Hey Fluff, thanks for doing this shootout. The 6505+ sounded the best to me, but all of them are very close. What song are u playing and what's the tuning for this?
Dude this was so sick!
Are you going to try to demo the 6505 Piranha when it comes out? It would also be cool to see it against the Orange Micro Dark. Keep up the awesome videos!
YESSS!!! Most badass review!
Out of curiosity, why do you prefer running the 5150/6505/6505MH on the rhythm channel with boost, instead of just the lead channel? I think in all of your videos featuring these Peavey amps, this seems to be the case. Thanks!
awesome shootout!