Get Good. You're Just Bad At The Game.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2023
- I wanted to talk about one of the most disingenuous and silly arguments I see surrounding video games and any form of art or media. I have never liked people like this and most others don't. #gaming #movies #film
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Dark Souls is the funniest example i see of this because fans defending the importance of "soloing" bosses don't get that they are actually going against one of the main goals that Miyazaki set out to include in his games. He based summoning off an experience where his car got stuck and strangers showed up and were willing to help him. His whole point was basically that there isn't a right or more important way to get through life. Life can be cooperative. But people took a system he wholesomely created to be used and be fun and turned it into a contest of self-importance. The worst part is they dont have the introspection or knowledge of its origins to even know or care. They're just interested in their egos.
I hadn't known about this before and this comment actually got me to look into it and read about it myself, so I appreciate that. I found it very interesting. I like that his takeaway was basically that strangers helping each other is good and not something that makes you weak.
People will act like you kidnapped their family because you didn't do the triple blind Speedrun of Elden Ring while also being intoxicated
*gets PTSD to the Last Of Us fandom on Reddit*
Gave my opinion that i didn't really care about Abby or the story in 2. "you didnt get it" and a bunch of insults mixed in lol.
I didn't care for that game either. Reddit unfortunately is infested with very mean people and that's the nicest way to put it.
Exactly,i recently deleted Reddit because it isn't a good place to have conversations/debates since many people treat it as a downvote or upvote thing(like the opinion of someone has more weight if it has more upvotes than others even if it's wrong)and it is a echo chamber that might give you the wrong opinion about gamers as a whole.
The most funny thing is that the last of US 2 isn't even deep, it's just a Revenge story that tried to Tell US that it isn't good or Worth it in the end(like many other stories).
We were supposed to see it from Abby's side too, but by the part we got to play as her, we allready hated her so much that it just felt forced 😂 especially all of her friends. To me, they were the bad guys either way #TeamJoelAndEllie lol
As a Devil May Cry player that has played the games on the highest difficulty let me tell you
There is no right way to enjoy video games, part of the fun is to play a game your way
31:00 I cried so hard laughing.
Definitely make more of these discussions, you guys are freaking hilarious 😂
I'm glad to hear that I'm hilarious and not annoying lmao. Thank you!
The problem is these people think the game they like is a personality trait
I criticised a football player online in an open discussion. The response from another person was: I would like to see you play PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL better 😂💁🏻♂️🤦♂️
It's happened on pokemon too. I've seen people complain because streamers didn't do nuzlock challenges or whatever. It's sad. I'm a huge pokemon nerd shamelessly, and aint nobody gonna tell me how to play my games lol.
Btw, unpopular opinion I know, but I hope the black flag remake for assassin's creed gets here quick. I'd love to give that game a shot because I've been a long time fan of pirates of the carribean and the tv show black sails.
The Pokemon community is One that annoys me a lot,due to many new difficulty romhacks like Pokemon Renegade Platinum or radical red people forgot what made the franchise so good(the adventure and world)to the point that you feel ashamed to play on switch mode instead of set.
@@isidorodaviddoro1920 Yeah Pokemon is unfortunately one of the kings of "play it my way or you're not a real Pokemon fan" being a popular sentiment. I wish it wasn't.
1 would love to hear more of these conversations
2 would love to join the discussions
Great video as always. I was wondering if you heard about Ubisoft shutting down gamers accounts and not having access to their games? I would love to hear your thoughts on this in a future video.
Hey thank you! I did talk about it I believe the following day but just saw this comment now!
It's ego, my dudes. 100% ego.
"You suck. I'm awesome. Look how awesome I am. I am so good at this game and no one else is as good as me. I'm the best. You just suck and don't know the game like I know the game. I am better than you. I win."
"Get good" only applies when the game is tough but fair. If the game is completely broken or unbalanced, that no longer applies. I played The Force Unleashed and The Force Unleashed II on PC a few years ago, and the original on PC was broken. Starkiller would start running against the invisible walls during a boss fight, or start randomly spamming force lightning when I know I didn't hit the button, so he'd expend all his Force reserve. Honestly, it felt like there were three other people fighting for control of the character, and all three of them were blindfolded. "Get good" doesn't apply in that scenario.
As for the discussion of criticism isn't allowed because you don't know how to make games, it doesn't make sense. They're products made for consumers. If you're a consumer and don't like it, the product failed. If someone makes a game and the overwhelming consensus is that it's horrible, the developers can't go "no it's not, shut up". Not everyone can code, not everyone can voice act, not everyone can map out an intricate combat system, the same way that not everyone knows cinematography or writing, but we can tell when a movie, book, or video game was bad.
Fromsoft fans would be the most toxic gaming fandom if dead by daylight didn't exist
From is a good dev but unfortunately the fanbases of their games suck (looking at you sekiro)to this day they can't accept that the camera sucks and the lock on doesn't work perfectly,so many fanboys🤦.
@@isidorodaviddoro1920 *Thank you* I feel like people are in denial about how janky and (in my opinion overrated) fromsoft games are. I love the world, story and lore of Bloodborne but I absolutely hate the gameplay and wish it was different
Sadly this reminds me of me and listening to this video made reflect and think how i can do better. Thank you for the video for the advice and the comedy 😂😂😂❤
The "get good" crowd and the "You're playing it wrong" crowd both drive me nuts, especially when they are the same person. "You can't have an opinion because you don't play exactly the way I play"
Jay touched on it, but like "if you aren't playing Jedi Order 2 with the cross guard and pistol stances only you aren't even playing the game" "I play Hitman doing the k*ll everyone challenge only with just a fish and if you don't play that way then you don't deserve to have an opinion"
There are people that gate-keep you and shut you down just because you don't play exactly the same way they do
To feed off Nate's example; Wayne Gretzky was a great hockey player, the best, but that doesn't mean that someone like Chris Osgood can't have an opinion and play the game because he is a goalie and not a center.
If I want to play Skyrim as a Nordic Archer, I should be able to without someone going "psh, why do you even play that you should just uninstall it if you aren't going to be a red guard mage blacksmith mocha venti thief with a khajit wife"
So many examples of these kinds of people, but it all narrows down to a Toxic Fan Base, which is honestly the worst thing for any media.
Man the “no family run” 😂
No Family Run is one of those things that goes hard but legally cannot be encouraged due to the nature of starting the run.
As someone who genuinely loves sonic '06, I was so taken aback by the hate towards it that I've just learned that we're all different. Art, including games is subjective and to not take other people's opinions too seriously. I've had a lot unpopular takes when it comes to games so you just learn to be thick skinned.
Great video Jay it always interesting of listening to you guys discussing stuff like this
Criticism is fine as long as it's constructive and not used for hating someone else's differing opinion. Having civilized discussions apparently takes so much brain power. The "get gud" arguments irks me because dumbasses forget that everyone is at a different skill level and that's okay. I may be really good at one game but struggle at another. We all go at our pace. There's no need to create insane challenges or have knowledge of every single detail in a title to fully enjoy a game. Why can't we let people enjoy/dislike something without requiring them to fulfill a certain criteria just so they can have the privilege of sharing an opinion? People need to chill out when someone doesn't play a game the "right way" or struggles. We all started out at Level 1 but through time and practice, our skill levels improved; some faster than others. Why do u care how someone experiences the game?
Thanks for bringing this topic up. Those that get riled up over something frivolous like videogames need to check their priorities in life.
Ngl the family-less challenge really separates the men from the boys
I really enjoyed the discussion and agree fully. I really don't like conversations, in which everybody just try to prove how stupid the others are and how superioer I am. For me conversations should always be in good faith and curious to learn about each other.
Just one thing springs to mind from your discussion: I agree completely that there are no wrong ways in having fun (in solo player games) and that everyone should be allowed to engage in a discussion. However I think, that people, who beat the games in higher difficulties have a more detailed insight into the mechanics of that game. So they should be able to make more educated and cohesive arguments. For example, if I play Dragen Age: Origins in easy mode, I don't need really to care, what my companion characters are doing. But if I play in hard mode, the game forces me to make myself familiar with the controlls of side characters and the dynamics between the abilities of the party.
But the point is, that people who invest more time into games, shouldn't be dicks about it in discussions, because they are a little better prepared to bring more and nuanced details into it.
The whole "git gud" mentality of sweaty tryhards is ridiculous. I hit level 157 playing elden ring and uninstalled it because I thought the gameplay was mediocre. When I gave it like a 6/10 fanboys immediately come after me. We have to move away from the fanboy mentality in gaming.
There are time that people are just being ridiculous or being rude something at thing when you want to do something you love like play games you like for a example everyone is going to have different opinion at thing it is what it is at the end of the day
Hi jay, longtime watcher here. I know you love the Assassin's Creed franchise, I would love to see your thoughts in Ghost of Tsushima. Especially since its Japanese assassins creed essentially
I'd love to talk about Ghost of Tsushima. I watched Nate play through it and then bought it myself and now am really excited! Thank you for the support btw! Means a lot!
@@DegenerateJay There is a detail at the end with the controller that was one of the coolest details I've ever seen in a game. One that makes the ending hit harder. It's the only game I've ever been conscious of just how gorgeous it is too.
@@DegenerateJayI love Ghost of Tsushima. It is so good the open world the characters the narrative the graphics the soundtrack. I think it’s a masterpiece. Hope you enjoy it.
I've legit had someone say "Well, you are useless at the game," because I didn't like Alien Isolation. Just because I hate a game that only has the gimmick of hide and seek, doesn't mean I'm "useless" at it. Someone called the one game I decided to say "yeah, this game is shit," said that the game is the "quintessential gaming experience. So you fucking suck at it." If I have criticisms on a game, or there's part of something in a game I don't like, that doesn't mean I simply suck, it just means I didn't like it. And sometimes, the popular opinion on something is simply wrong.
A lot of it is ppl who have too much time on their hands and their opinions of things bc their personality and if you don't think on the same wave length as them, they take it as a personal insult. For some of these ppl they make the git gud comment as a way to 1up. Esp if its in response to a content creator. "watch me school this content creator, you suck at your job."
It also reeks of tribalism, narcissism, and over compensation. Its like the ppl who rain on other ppl parade when they post a clip of them doing something they felt was nice in a game. You'll see a comment or 3 like "I bet its bronze lobbies" or "you're not eve doing it in ranked", "I got better clips than this."
Its a weird obsession in nerd culture to wanna 1up and make other ppl feel miserable bc the person themselves are miserable and this is all they have to feel anything in life.
Will agree people need to learn to say 'I don't care' and move on, but some people can't accept that other people can have opinions that are just a valid as they did or in some cases make a better argument for their points, and it can turn ugly from there.
There are plenty of arguments that Ornstein and Smough is the best boss fight in Dark because of the skill it takes to sole it.
Some people will have the time to overcome that challenge, others won't, and some just don't want to put that much time into the game to git gud. No reason to insult or mock someone about that opinion. Well some people have fun doing that with people. Depending on the person that can be fine, but sometime it gets taken to insane levels of stupidity.
The best boss in dark souls is really pushing it. Iconic but tbh when the whole pathway to them is just artificially difficult by putting infinite stamina archers on chokepoints the boss and area loses a lot of its appeal to many players to the point where it's more obnoxious than it is impactful. It's also funny that everyone goes online and says they did it themselves but almost none of those people have footage to back it up, which makes their word just that - their word.
@@obamalover2113 For some reason people also forget the origin of the summoning system - it was designed with the mindset that the games' primary creator, Miyazaki, had. It was that you don't have to beat everything yourself. It doesn't matter. He based that mechanic off an experience he had where his car got stuck and helpful strangers helped him move his car and get going again. But elitist gamers missed the point. They see it as a handicap or a crutch, not what the actual creator intended for it to be. There's no right way to beat the game. He designed it that way on purpose, but people who base their whole personality off the Souls games think they know better than him.
@@obamalover2113 I've never made that argument just that I've seen other people make it. Frankly I think it is overrated because of how much time you have spend just to get a few strikes in before you have to back ways and wait a long time for the right moment that the player can do it again.
Frankly I've only done it once, and it really wasn't worth it if I am remembering it correctly.
The rest of the time I just summoned someone to help.
The fight isn't the best in the game just the most famous One,and it isn't that hard it become a battle against the camera since you need to Control the moves of two bosses, it's easier to defeat them when they are Alone use the Pillars to your advantage
@@isidorodaviddoro1920 Will agree. "Best" is matter of how you define that word.
Something similar happened to me recently with final fantasy 5,i was playing the game on game Boy avance and during the first hours the game was super fun and easy but as soon as i got to the Middle and endgame the game suffered a huge difficulty spike that never went down,enemies Started hitting harder having a ton of HP and spamming annoying status effects moves that can easily kill your party.
I tried to talk about this on Reddit and many Said that this game is easy because there are many broken jobs combinations(a new player would not know about them)and the fact many some people made challenges where they beat the game with the worst classes.
Unfortunately gaming became a way for many people that don't like themselves to Boost their ego, people are not willing to accept that a game has objective Flaws and that their opinion or playthrough doesn't invalidate the One from someone else.
The only time I tell someone's opinion doesn't matter is when they haven't finished said thing(game, movie, book, comic book etc.). I mean "git gud" could be valid in some instances just not the way most people use it, in the Souls games you have to get better to finish them. Also in some movie circles(mostly Twitter) a lot of people will say if you have a negative opinion on a popular movie you are stupid and you just don't get it.
Those people on twitter deserve to be mocked for that take.
@@hughmunguss5338 they absolutely do
everything is politics and religion now
From software sucks in my opinion, dont care who loves it. Its fanbase are shit too for the most part
Like.. the guys on this channel? 😂😅
@@andson02 huh?
@@jamespaul6315 Jay and Nate love those FromSoftware games. I personally don't, but I like seeing them play it
So One of the few devs that made some of the most influential games of the last decade and are still innovating suck?okay
@@andson02 I do love Fromsoft but it's also just whatever to me if people don't. If say they made the greatest game ever and nobody tried it so we never got another one, I'd be bummed. But the games are doing well and i like them. I also whine a lot about them every time I play them though lmao. I'll go back and forth from "what a masterpiece" to "who made this crappy part."
So this means a dark souls let’s play is coming? 🥹
Eventually, yes!