You know... this crap he is talking doesn’t even surprise me. He’s a criminal himself so he’s trying to make everyone empathize with his actions and the actions of those in the college scandal. I graduated from USC and the process to be admitted was not easy at all! These people are lower than low. They are criminals that stole from family’s that encouraged their children to study like a dog to get into college. I stayed up so many nights hoping to get the phone call or letter of acceptance and these people just go on with their lives, joke about college on TH-cam, and lie to get in. Two actions I cannot tolerate a theft and a liar!
I know that I am a chemical engineer instead of being an attorney, but for the life of me, I am trying to figure out how fraud is not considered a crime...
Of course these guys deserve it, they most definitely used their money and influence to get their children a better chance at life. The could’ve used their money for tutors and a consultant like you to get them a better shot a college, instead they broke the law looking for a loophole. Point blank yes they deserve to go to prison it’s unfortunate but they should be an example to others that “pulling strings” is not ok and again yeah sucks that it’s them but sometime your just that guy. And I am a felon I have been to prison so I’m not just passing judgement, I’ve been there
We definitely incarcerate far too many non-violent criminals, but they ARE criminals in that they broke the law. Isn’t it the fact of going to prison and the label attached to that that creates the shame, fear, and embarrassment? Take away the prison sentence and you’ll take away much of what would motivate future white collar criminals to NOT commit these crimes. Are we going to allow them to buy their way out and avoid this shame that less privileged, non-violent criminals are forced to endure? The argument applies to them too, right?
I am a civil litigation attorney practicing for almost 20 years. I have only rarely handled criminal matters, but still -- I agree the advice in this video is 100% right. If you are totally innocent (i.e., the police literally arrested the wrong person), then of course you should fight the case -- HARD. But if you are guilty, and if the evidence against you is strong, the WORST thing you can do is to hire an expensive "high-powered" defense lawyer who says he/she is going to "aggressively defend" the case. That is such a mistake. In the end, you're making matters worse. You're going to get convicted anyway, and the only winner will be your lawyer who has billed you tens of thousands in fees. Perfect example = Jussie Smollett. His lawyers keep stupidly boasting about his defense and taking the case to trial. This is exactly the wrong approach. It's the old saying about the #1 rule of digging holes -- you need to know when to stop digging. I have no involvement with the college cheating defendants, but in my view the smartest move these folks could make would be to IMMEDIATELY step up and OWN THEIR MISTAKES. They have no defense, so they shouldn't try to defend what their actions. Instead, they should admit they broke the law, apologize, accept responsibility, and offer some form of restitution. They should offer to pay for the entire 4-year tuition of any kids who didn't get accepted to a school because their kid cheated and took their place. They can't take back their mistakes, but they can show genuine, heart-felt regret and acceptance. In my view, that is the only real path to salvation for these folks.
David Gingras don’t you agree though that some high powered attorneys are worth the money? Take Jussie’s lawyer who was Mark Geragos. He is one of the best defense attorneys in the USA and got him off with not even a slap on the wrist. Another great lawyer is Ben Brafman out of New York who has excellent experience at trials. He has gotten many high profile people out of a jam. So depending who you hire they really can make great things happen.
People who have never been through it don’t realize that the anxiety you endure while going through the process after being arrested and starting a prison sentence is often worse than the time in prison itself. Usually you lose your job but you still have bills to pay along with paying for your defense. Often times if you’re married it can put such a strain on your marriage that your spouse may divorce you. The idea of club fed is ridiculous. I don’t care how soft the camp is you will not be doing easy time. Sure it’s may be easier time when compared to other prisons but trust me there is nothing easy about being hundreds even thousands of miles away from your loved ones and knowing you brought this misery on to so many people who loved and counted on you. I promise there will be many times you will cry no matter how strong you think you are.
I agree that non-violent criminals do not need to be incarcerated. But to say that "they are not criminals" is absurd. If they are convicted under criminal law then they are by definition criminals.
Better question... Cui Bono? (Meaning, colloquially, “who stands to gain or benefit?”) you want to look and the privatization of American prisons, start there.
Yes, Americans prisons are increasingly more privatized , at the expense of the American taxpayer, and far more so at the expense of the American justice system
Yes, some prisons, like Taft Prison Camp, where I served time are still privatized. There has been some prison reform at the Federal level. In December 2018 the president signed the First Step Act. My partner, Shon Hopwood, was involved in this legislation.
So your clients are "suffering" already because they are EMBARRASSED? That clearly wasn't a strong enough reason to stop them. If you don't think going from a posh millionaire lifestyle to pooping in front of people is hard boy you are selling the dream man.
I do not recall saying it would not be hard--it is just not the hardest part of the experience. The hardest part, as I said in the video, is before and after prison. How do I know? Well, for one, I endured it for 3 plus years before I went to prison. Since 2008 our company has helped more than 1,000 defendants. After they come home from prison most access the hardest part was life before prison or after. Thanks for writing. Be well, Justin
I know someone who was convicted of a (non-violent) white collar felony and I so wish he had heard this advice as soon as he was charged. Because of your experience, he might have listened when he was told to take the plea deal. He didn't fully internalise the legal principle that ignorance of the law is not a defence and so he felt he was innocent.
Thank you for commenting. I made some of those same mistakes. It is part of the reason I do what I do. I hope he is doing well. I would be happy to send him or you a book (at my expense) to help him. Please send an email to support@whitecollaradvice.com if you are interested. Be well, Justin
I’d have to respectfully, yet strongly disagree. Should there not be the threat of “warehousing” such offenders, I could only imagine how rampant white collar crime would become.
Rich Robinson I understand your perspective. I have never said there should not be consequences. Additionally, some crimes warrant imprisonment. As a former prisoner, and now consultant to more than 1000 clients, I’ve learned that the greatest consequence is not imprisonment. It’s life before and the collateral consequences that follow that are often times harder. For some it’s hard to understand or make sense of the fact that prison is not necessarily the hardest part. Perhaps because I’ve lived it I see it differently. Thanks for your comment.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Thank you for your reply. As alternatives to institutional imprisonment, what are your thoughts on home confinement and/or a mandatory specialized employment term (e.g. N months working full-time as a financial fraud analyst at sub-minimum wage, etc.) w/cessation of any other personal income generating activities during the term ?
So Justin, I do agree with you that at least these parents don't deserve to go to federal prison. They were merely participants in the scheme, however, what about the people that organized it? As for the victims, they are all students. Some of the students of course being the children of the people that participated in the scheme. However, what about the faceless, nameless student victims that never got admitted to these schools because of less qualified students being accepted on false merits? I believe that they are the true victims and unfortunately, they will never have justice. With all of that being said, this is just going to be another black eye that the wealthy are going to have to endure because of the now intensified criticism of regular working class folks animosity toward them. I wish you luck in working with some of these individuals. They couldn't have found a more qualified and trusted consultant to ease them through these tough times.
Nick DeMarco yes I agree with your comments about the victims. You’re 100 correct. I also agree there should be consequences for those who did this-in some cases, though, I don’t think confinement should be part of the sanction. I’ve no doubt many will end up in prison, both for punishment and to act as a deterrent to others. Good people can make bad decisions, but work to create a new record. There choices do not have to define their entire life. I will help some of them understand that and create a record that demonstrates their remorse and regret. I expect them to succeed and overcome. Thanks for writing. Be well, Justin
GREAT advice as always. 12:35 "all of the people seeking enjoyment, pain or some sort of pleasure knowing these celebrities and other executives who are going through this...and their sense of satisfaction....." This is so true and such a knife in my heart. There is such a disconnect and lack of compassion or empathy among people who THINK they understand but honestly have no idea what its like to walk in someone else's shoes. What the media portrays isn't the whole story. EVER! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise with us, Justin.
You make some interesting points. But I do not understand why you keep saying they are not "criminals" . The definition of a criminal is a person who committed a crime...they committed fraud . If that doesn't qualify as a crime I don't know what does. So if it's a white collar crime then you shouldn't be labeled as a "criminal"?
Yes, if they are convicted they will be considered criminals. The likelihood of them re offending in the future (in my opinion), is low--presuming they are found guilty.
So what’s your opinion on Joe blow who is caught up in a similar fraud/ white collar criminal scam should he or she not get jail time also? How about Kareem who jumped that NYC turnstile can we turn a blind eye to min also? I mean that was only $2.75!
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial In my opinion a person is considered a "criminal" once they are "charged" with a crime not necessarily convicted but that's probably my legal background. As I mentioned earlier, you do make some interesting points. Especially the part where you state that the defendant should immediately own up to what he/she did and plead guilty to help with the sentencing phase. I also agree that it's highly unlikely that these parents will commit any type of offense like this in the future. But it still doesn't make me feel any better knowing so many hard working honest students were rejected to make room for the "privileged" . I worked my ass off to get into UCLA for undergrad and put myself through law school so I don't share much sympathy for any of them. It's their feeling of entitlement that really bothers me. I have no doubt the parents will serve ZERO prison time and will argue that they were only trying to help their sweet precious offspring and didn't think about how they would be hurting anyone else. Good luck with your new clients and thanks for the video!
Tuh i robbed a bank and got house arrest thru the feds, talk about cmus, jail is the worst cuz u dont know ur fate... Cmu plz talk about ths shit, I got pre trial and continuances lasting up to 2 years almost I'd already be done with my ride I have stage 4 cancer and they didn't want to foot the bill for my treatments that's why I got house arrest via the feds
Sorry my friend but the "PSR" has nothing to do with your job inside. And, again I have to argue with you; most often-for "non criminals," prison IS the hardest part. Let's look at Martha Steward; how terrible was her life after release? Look at all she's done since-which is basically the same as what she did before going Inside. I'm sure she'll say, prison was the worst thing she ever experienced. And she was in a camp! Federal may be better (in many ways) than a state joint, but being locked up (maybe not for you) even if you're in a Low, SUCKS. Please don't tell people, "prison is the easiest part."
You make it sound like the prosecutors are the bad guys in this scenario. Quick question, did they did NOT brake the law here??? Just because they have the money and the means to advance their kids within an elite college, does not mean they have the right to so. What do you have to say to the families and students whom are not wealthy, and have to work hard to even be consider for these institutions?
I say that if these defendants are guilty, they should absolutely own and acknowledge that they created victims. Beyond saying sorry, they must demonstrate through their actions how they will make amends to the people who played by the rules. And as I recall, I never said the prosecutors are bad guys--but to think they are always ethical & fair is like believing is like believing Phillip Morris really does not want you to buy cigarettes.
Just curious what is the tole of the attorney then if you encourage the defendant to not fight and plead guilty. Seems like there is nothing left for them to do.
ryan Mosey to be clear the lawyer has a massive role: negotiate the best plea, prepare for trial, negotiate cooperation agreements, and so on. Their role is essential. My point is too many defendants outsource all of the work to their lawyer-the result is they fail to take action through their own efforts to show why they are worthy of leniency. Experience working a 1,000 white collar defendants since 2008 tells me judges, prosecutors and probation officers want to learn more about the defendant. Who better to do that than the defendant (presuming the defendant is prepared)?
I don’t think most will take joy in seeing these people “suffer”. That is an exaggeration. Most believe that due to the defendants wealth and social status they will get preferential treatment in their sentencing. They likely will. They deserve to be punished as any average citizen would under these circumstances
Beyond any shadow of doubt. Indeed.
Excuse me but this is not civil, this is a crime. I call it fraud.
Agreed
Ingenious that you found an opportunity from your experience.
You know... this crap he is talking doesn’t even surprise me. He’s a criminal himself so he’s trying to make everyone empathize with his actions and the actions of those in the college scandal. I graduated from USC and the process to be admitted was not easy at all! These people are lower than low. They are criminals that stole from family’s that encouraged their children to study like a dog to get into college. I stayed up so many nights hoping to get the phone call or letter of acceptance and these people just go on with their lives, joke about college on TH-cam, and lie to get in. Two actions I cannot tolerate a theft and a liar!
put them in State Prison, it's a lot different
Ive been following your page for 2.5 years. Justin you have helped me alot!
Michael Hogan thank you, Michael. I’m very happy to know you’ve found value in my work. Be well, Justin
Justin my email address is michael.hogan1229@gmail.com. Can you email me your contact info? I need to ask you something not in a public forum. Thanks!
Michael Hogan email me at jp@whitecollaradvice.com please
I know that I am a chemical engineer instead of being an attorney, but for the life of me, I am trying to figure out how fraud is not considered a crime...
Of course these guys deserve it, they most definitely used their money and influence to get their children a better chance at life. The could’ve used their money for tutors and a consultant like you to get them a better shot a college, instead they broke the law looking for a loophole. Point blank yes they deserve to go to prison it’s unfortunate but they should be an example to others that “pulling strings” is not ok and again yeah sucks that it’s them but sometime your just that guy. And I am a felon I have been to prison so I’m not just passing judgement, I’ve been there
We definitely incarcerate far too many non-violent criminals, but they ARE criminals in that they broke the law.
Isn’t it the fact of going to prison and the label attached to that that creates the shame, fear, and embarrassment? Take away the prison sentence and you’ll take away much of what would motivate future white collar criminals to NOT commit these crimes.
Are we going to allow them to buy their way out and avoid this shame that less privileged, non-violent criminals are forced to endure? The argument applies to them too, right?
I am a civil litigation attorney practicing for almost 20 years. I have only rarely handled criminal matters, but still -- I agree the advice in this video is 100% right. If you are totally innocent (i.e., the police literally arrested the wrong person), then of course you should fight the case -- HARD. But if you are guilty, and if the evidence against you is strong, the WORST thing you can do is to hire an expensive "high-powered" defense lawyer who says he/she is going to "aggressively defend" the case. That is such a mistake. In the end, you're making matters worse. You're going to get convicted anyway, and the only winner will be your lawyer who has billed you tens of thousands in fees. Perfect example = Jussie Smollett. His lawyers keep stupidly boasting about his defense and taking the case to trial. This is exactly the wrong approach. It's the old saying about the #1 rule of digging holes -- you need to know when to stop digging.
I have no involvement with the college cheating defendants, but in my view the smartest move these folks could make would be to IMMEDIATELY step up and OWN THEIR MISTAKES. They have no defense, so they shouldn't try to defend what their actions. Instead, they should admit they broke the law, apologize, accept responsibility, and offer some form of restitution. They should offer to pay for the entire 4-year tuition of any kids who didn't get accepted to a school because their kid cheated and took their place. They can't take back their mistakes, but they can show genuine, heart-felt regret and acceptance. In my view, that is the only real path to salvation for these folks.
Thank you for sharing your insights, David. Well said. I have echoed many of your same thoughts. Be well, Justin
finally the voice of reason
David Gingras don’t you agree though that some high powered attorneys are worth the money? Take Jussie’s lawyer who was Mark Geragos. He is one of the best defense attorneys in the USA and got him off with not even a slap on the wrist. Another great lawyer is Ben Brafman out of New York who has excellent experience at trials. He has gotten many high profile people out of a jam. So depending who you hire they really can make great things happen.
People who have never been through it don’t realize that the anxiety you endure while going through the process after being arrested and starting a prison sentence is often worse than the time in prison itself. Usually you lose your job but you still have bills to pay along with paying for your defense. Often times if you’re married it can put such a strain on your marriage that your spouse may divorce you. The idea of club fed is ridiculous. I don’t care how soft the camp is you will not be doing easy time. Sure it’s may be easier time when compared to other prisons but trust me there is nothing easy about being hundreds even thousands of miles away from your loved ones and knowing you brought this misery on to so many people who loved and counted on you. I promise there will be many times you will cry no matter how strong you think you are.
I agree that non-violent criminals do not need to be incarcerated. But to say that "they are not criminals" is absurd. If they are convicted under criminal law then they are by definition criminals.
Yes, as I have also said, if they are convicted they are criminals. I do not, however, think they are likely to re-offend.
Used to be that taxpayers paid about 80k a year per person in prison.
We should really look at prison reform... are prisons still privatized?
Eureka 72 - in that case the $ is higher!
Better question... Cui Bono? (Meaning, colloquially, “who stands to gain or benefit?”) you want to look and the privatization of American prisons, start there.
Yes, Americans prisons are increasingly more privatized , at the expense of the American taxpayer, and far more so at the expense of the American justice system
Yes, some prisons, like Taft Prison Camp, where I served time are still privatized. There has been some prison reform at the Federal level. In December 2018 the president signed the First Step Act. My partner, Shon Hopwood, was involved in this legislation.
So your clients are "suffering" already because they are EMBARRASSED? That clearly wasn't a strong enough reason to stop them. If you don't think going from a posh millionaire lifestyle to pooping in front of people is hard boy you are selling the dream man.
I do not recall saying it would not be hard--it is just not the hardest part of the experience. The hardest part, as I said in the video, is before and after prison. How do I know? Well, for one, I endured it for 3 plus years before I went to prison. Since 2008 our company has helped more than 1,000 defendants. After they come home from prison most access the hardest part was life before prison or after. Thanks for writing. Be well, Justin
White Collar Advice how about you finally realize that we don’t care about preserving the lifestyle of millionaire criminals
@@salsaSamuel he’s not talking to you then
I know someone who was convicted of a (non-violent) white collar felony and I so wish he had heard this advice as soon as he was charged. Because of your experience, he might have listened when he was told to take the plea deal. He didn't fully internalise the legal principle that ignorance of the law is not a defence and so he felt he was innocent.
Thank you for commenting. I made some of those same mistakes. It is part of the reason I do what I do. I hope he is doing well. I would be happy to send him or you a book (at my expense) to help him. Please send an email to support@whitecollaradvice.com if you are interested. Be well, Justin
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial I will do so. Thank you so much.
@@GrainneDhu My pleasure.
I have less than zero per cent sympathy for any of these folks...
I’d have to respectfully, yet strongly disagree. Should there not be the threat of “warehousing” such offenders, I could only imagine how rampant white collar crime would become.
Rich Robinson I understand your perspective. I have never said there should not be consequences. Additionally, some crimes warrant imprisonment. As a former prisoner, and now consultant to more than 1000 clients, I’ve learned that the greatest consequence is not imprisonment. It’s life before and the collateral consequences that follow that are often times harder. For some it’s hard to understand or make sense of the fact that prison is not necessarily the hardest part. Perhaps because I’ve lived it I see it differently. Thanks for your comment.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Thank you for your reply. As alternatives to institutional imprisonment, what are your thoughts on home confinement and/or a mandatory specialized employment term (e.g. N months working full-time as a financial fraud analyst at sub-minimum wage, etc.) w/cessation of any other personal income generating activities during the term ?
Absolutely spot on! Great video, Justin
Linda Jorgenson thank you
So Justin, I do agree with you that at least these parents don't deserve to go to federal prison. They were merely participants in the scheme, however, what about the people that organized it? As for the victims, they are all students. Some of the students of course being the children of the people that participated in the scheme. However, what about the faceless, nameless student victims that never got admitted to these schools because of less qualified students being accepted on false merits? I believe that they are the true victims and unfortunately, they will never have justice.
With all of that being said, this is just going to be another black eye that the wealthy are going to have to endure because of the now intensified criticism of regular working class folks animosity toward them. I wish you luck in working with some of these individuals. They couldn't have found a more qualified and trusted consultant to ease them through these tough times.
Nick DeMarco yes I agree with your comments about the victims. You’re 100 correct. I also agree there should be consequences for those who did this-in some cases, though, I don’t think confinement should be part of the sanction. I’ve no doubt many will end up in prison, both for punishment and to act as a deterrent to others. Good people can make bad decisions, but work to create a new record. There choices do not have to define their entire life. I will help some of them understand that and create a record that demonstrates their remorse and regret. I expect them to succeed and overcome. Thanks for writing. Be well, Justin
GREAT advice as always. 12:35 "all of the people seeking enjoyment, pain or some sort of pleasure knowing these celebrities and other executives who are going through this...and their sense of satisfaction....."
This is so true and such a knife in my heart. There is such a disconnect and lack of compassion or empathy among people who THINK they understand but honestly have no idea what its like to walk in someone else's shoes. What the media portrays isn't the whole story. EVER!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise with us, Justin.
You make some interesting points. But I do not understand why you keep saying they are not "criminals" . The definition of a criminal is a person who committed a crime...they committed fraud . If that doesn't qualify as a crime I don't know what does. So if it's a white collar crime then you shouldn't be labeled as a "criminal"?
Yes, if they are convicted they will be considered criminals. The likelihood of them re offending in the future (in my opinion), is low--presuming they are found guilty.
So what’s your opinion on Joe blow who is caught up in a similar fraud/ white collar criminal scam should he or she not get jail time also? How about Kareem who jumped that NYC turnstile can we turn a blind eye to min also? I mean that was only $2.75!
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial In my opinion a person is considered a "criminal" once they are "charged" with a crime not necessarily convicted but that's probably my legal background. As I mentioned earlier, you do make some interesting points. Especially the part where you state that the defendant should immediately own up to what he/she did and plead guilty to help with the sentencing phase. I also agree that it's highly unlikely that these parents will commit any type of offense like this in the future. But it still doesn't make me feel any better knowing so many hard working honest students were rejected to make room for the "privileged" . I worked my ass off to get into UCLA for undergrad and put myself through law school so I don't share much sympathy for any of them. It's their feeling of entitlement that really bothers me. I have no doubt the parents will serve ZERO prison time and will argue that they were only trying to help their sweet precious offspring and didn't think about how they would be hurting anyone else. Good luck with your new clients and thanks for the video!
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial And by the way....there's ample evidence against them so I think it's safe to assume they will be found guilty.
@Kay Fuentes Thank you Kay!!! I hope these people do jail time for what they've done since money means nothing to them!!! Have a great day
Tuh i robbed a bank and got house arrest thru the feds, talk about cmus, jail is the worst cuz u dont know ur fate... Cmu plz talk about ths shit, I got pre trial and continuances lasting up to 2 years almost I'd already be done with my ride I have stage 4 cancer and they didn't want to foot the bill for my treatments that's why I got house arrest via the feds
Sorry my friend but the "PSR" has nothing to do with your job inside. And, again I have to argue with you; most often-for "non criminals," prison IS the hardest part. Let's look at Martha Steward; how terrible was her life after release? Look at all she's done since-which is basically the same as what she did before going Inside. I'm sure she'll say, prison was the worst thing she ever experienced. And she was in a camp! Federal may be better (in many ways) than a state joint, but being locked up (maybe not for you) even if you're in a Low, SUCKS. Please don't tell people, "prison is the easiest part."
Talk about the CMUS
Great video thank you for sharing your thoughts. I hope the defendants in this case reach out to you.
Joan Dale Elise Cinco thank you
You make it sound like the prosecutors are the bad guys in this scenario. Quick question, did they did NOT brake the law here??? Just because they have the money and the means to advance their kids within an elite college, does not mean they have the right to so.
What do you have to say to the families and students whom are not wealthy, and have to work hard to even be consider for these institutions?
I say that if these defendants are guilty, they should absolutely own and acknowledge that they created victims. Beyond saying sorry, they must demonstrate through their actions how they will make amends to the people who played by the rules. And as I recall, I never said the prosecutors are bad guys--but to think they are always ethical & fair is like believing is like believing Phillip Morris really does not want you to buy cigarettes.
Just curious what is the tole of the attorney then if you encourage the defendant to not fight and plead guilty. Seems like there is nothing left for them to do.
ryan Mosey to be clear the lawyer has a massive role: negotiate the best plea, prepare for trial, negotiate cooperation agreements, and so on. Their role is essential. My point is too many defendants outsource all of the work to their lawyer-the result is they fail to take action through their own efforts to show why they are worthy of leniency. Experience working a 1,000 white collar defendants since 2008 tells me judges, prosecutors and probation officers want to learn more about the defendant. Who better to do that than the defendant (presuming the defendant is prepared)?
White Collar Advice thank you. I understand much better now.
Super interesting video Justin. Really enjoyed hearing your insights.
I don’t think most will take joy in seeing these people “suffer”. That is an exaggeration. Most believe that due to the defendants wealth and social status they will get preferential treatment in their sentencing. They likely will. They deserve to be punished as any average citizen would under these circumstances
I do not believe they will get preferential treatment--at least not in this case. Maybe in some other cases, but not here.
U read n assume the public narrative propagated by the u s government, talk about the tribunal's