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"tumblr is twice as old as the first diagnosis of gender dysphoria" is not something I was ever ready to hear
I mean, psychology as a field of study barely existed before WWI, and didnt exist at all before the 1870s.
If it makes you feel any better, Magnus Hirschfeld recognised “Transsexualismus” back in 1923
And even then, his medical descriptions of trans people go back to 1910 (and further back) when he coined the term “Transvestitismus” (though he felt the term was improper to describe trans people as he felt that clothing was only an outward performance reflecting internal psychology, leading to the aforementioned “Transsexualismus” in 1923)
Gender dysphoria was in the DSM and diagnosed before the first web site, in the 1980s.
If it makes you feel better, psychology is a product of the creation of individualism when everyone started going crazy because we thought we wern't actually part of a society.
@@SuicidelG
People have been talking about the dialectic between individuals and society since before writing. So if individualism is degenerate, it's degeneracy that literally has existed since before Western civilization.
Seriously, the Bible talks about it. Greek and Roman philosophy, etc.
Also trans people are very much the wrong group to accuse of not being aware of society or of not existing within it. Ffs, just think about that for a second.
youtube froze for a quick sec on the caption of "you're just an insecure, frightened little queer" and I have never felt so subtlely targeted in my life
Ooh that's some SHODAN in the algorithm
Mood
"Your flesh is an insult to the perfection of the digital."
I feel very attacked
can we please talk about how Justine only had two long nails on her right hand, the index finger and the middle finger, and how these would be the nails kept short by lesbians? It's like she's physically preventing herself from being lesbian. So meta.
And then she pops off one nail upon coming out to signify that she's still only half way there. So many layers
I never noticed that! awesome!
Holy shit there’s LORE
And look at Marlene Dietrich on the wall behing her!
Legitimate question, I'm a straight girl but I use my middle and ring finger? Using the first two seems really difficult
I used to live as a trans non-binary person and then a year and half later I went back to living as a man. I often think twice about telling people this because I don't what my story to be appropriated into queerphobic bullshit. Telling me "I'm glad you're over that phase" why are you glad? Would it have been so bad if I truly where trans queer? "This is what the media makes people do" no one made me do anything. I found that period extremely helpful and important in informing and building the man I am today. I'm a much better and happier man for exploring what else I can be and truly choosing manhood. I started building for my self a model of manhood that is kind and gentle and suits me much better then the toxic mess I was before. I think there are as many genders as there are people but that trans people and queer people should be seen as a social class that deserves rights and dignity.
@Nick thank you for your lovely comment.
so happy you’ve found yourself!! good for you for exploring as well. 💖
"there are as many genders as there are people" i love that so much, you don't even know. we all experience gender separately in some capacity but we also have solidarity with each other because it's not a completely isolated experience, it's when power structures force us into little boxes that we feel the cold weight of gender, but it doesn't have to be that way, your experienced shaped the person you are today and that is beautiful and i hope that things only get better from here, progress is tough but it's inevitable if we keep moving forward 😊
@@ultimatequeenofdeath666 thank you for your kind words
>I think there are as many genders as there are people but that trans people and queer people should be seen as a social class that deserves rights and dignity.
I think that's the best formulation of this idea that I've seen, that goes so hard.
people complaining about baltimore being a nonbinary stereotype are completely ignoring the two other characters sitting next to them
Yeah! I honestly think people who say that either didn't watch the video at all or they just got to the beginning part with Baltimore being introduced, watched for about a minute and then noped out and went off in a rage thinking the point was just to make fun. Yes, Baltimore wasn't totally serious as a character but tbh they weren't any more "stereotypical" than Tiffany or Justine or Tabby. And they made seriously valid points, and stayed calm even when being obviously just mocked and called gross, and then afterward got another character who isn't always sympathetic telling Tiffany they were wrong?? How is that not supposed to be a validation of the nonbinary character in the end, I just...I don't get people sometimes. People don't get how sketches work.
So was Baltimore completely justified or were they wrong in some parts?
Not gonna lie, Tiffany made more sense than Baltimore. not sure if that's a good thing.
Also I'm new to this nonbinary stuff so if I irritate someone, well, sorry if I do.
@@onlineoddballs3668 did you watch the whole thing?
@@ellebresych5282 Yep.
Glaceson Fenton I’m curious why you think Tiffany made better points?
As someone who’s coming to terms with their own a non-binary identity, I thought Baltimore made excellent points dissecting the hipocrisy of Tiffany’s transgender dichotomy.
She couldn’t argue why her feelings were “more valid.” She saw her gender as a condition and not something to embrace. And in the end she resorted to name calling and verbal abuse because of her bigotry
Everybody's gangsta till the non binary forest spirit with a glitter beard starts speaking in riddles
Then they're just in love
*looks around* Dionysus?
That was so fucking stupid...
Pan?????
randi brown LETS GET MISCHEVIOUS AND POLYAMOROUS. WINE AND WOMEN AND-
"Do you think you can purchase acceptance through conformity? Because that is not freedom... That is simply adding another cell to the prison."
"If my existence is a statement, I think that says more about society than it says about me."
I think about these quotes a lot.
Só you literally don’t understand what is behaving like a normal social person god why is the internet full of psychos
Me too
me too, ooh did we just start a movement! 😀😀
It's a shame transtrender had to become an exclusionary term. We really missed out on the perfect word for a trans person who is just always on the ball nailing all the trends.
Trendercore is actually a thing now among young nonbinary tiktok people, among them the victims of kalvin garrah’s following. The (trans) kids are alright.
@@useroffline9999 Aww, that’s so nice to hear. It must take real strenght to reclaim a term created to mock, humiliatie and invalidate you, especially when you’re that young.
: O that’s a great usage!
A trans person setting all the trends of new forms of gender performances!
When Natalie’s level of high-brow sarcasm is so high people actually think she’s looking down on non-binary people, when in reality she’s holding the mirror up to society in the form of fantastical performance art on TH-cam.
Madam, I applaud you.
Yes, I like that she's tacking all sides. We need more people that are able to make fun of whatever needs mocking.
That's the only explanation for the backlash from this to make any sense: that Tiffany wasn't a complete straw-woman with literally nothing in her points that was reasonable or valid.
It wasn't even taking all sides, she was clearly on Baltimore's side by the end, but come on, if people out there really think that someone accurately stating the points transmeds make (only to take them down one by one) means they agree, I don't know what to say.
th-cam.com/video/vKh6Ra3ovS4/w-d-xo.html
My take on the video is not just that the characters have conflicting ideas, but that the characters are struggling internally. We could read it as separate characters, or we could read it as one character's internal dialogue i.e. this is all Contrapoints' own struggle to understand herself. Maybe I'm projecting a little about my own insecurities but I've felt the conflicts from these positions. Feeling like you're a transmedicalist because you're arguing the biology, feeling like a hippie because you're telling people to just love one another (I loved when she started singing kumbaya at that point).
When she says she loves catgirls and hates catgirls, I take this as the representation that we don't merely accept or reject narratives, we hold conflicting feelings towards them. We take the parts that are useful, and try to rid ourselves of the parts that aren't. As someone trying to become more educated and be some kind of ally, I've had arguments where I've wanted to scream "Look, idiot, there's real hard biological facts at play here" while also thoroughly rejecting the idea that biology can ever really explain human identity.
As someone not trans, I don't expect to find a narrative that ever allows me to fully understand the issue. Not because I don't think it's valid, but because I don't even understand myself. The whole trans issue seems to hark back to the problems of identity that ought equally apply to all of us. I don't know what makes "me" me. I don't know if I'm the same person yesterday as I was today. I don't know if I'm hopelessly determined by a mechanistic universe and "me" is just an illusion. I can't fully define a chair let alone what man or a woman really is. My biggest frustration is that these aren't questions that apply just to LGBT folk, these are deep philosophical questions for all of us, ones that we don't expect a catch-all answer to. And yet we live in a society in which the failure to correctly answer the hardest questions of humanity is taken as a reason to treat poorly a chosen few.
I think somewhere in typing this I might have gone off track, so if anyone ever makes it this far, I'll just conclude by saying I only love catgirls. No hate. Always end on a lighter note.
@@Altitudes maul
Contra is redefining the usage of Socratic dialogues in the most gay and interesting way since Plato.
*ancient Greece intensifies*
Plato: I am both impressed and really confused at the same time.
So the philosophy degree wasn’t an entire waste of money. Let’s see how my linguistics degree will turn out in the work place
>implying socrates wasnt already gay
so my AP lang course wasn't after all a waste of effort
When Justine declared her love for Tiffany and Tiffany denied her, like it broke my heart. Then I remembered that these are just characters played by the same person and i felt a lot better.
Still breaks my heart every time.
You just made me feel a lot better
eh idk i’m watching this right after rewatching her “shame” video and um……….. i think she was definitely pulling from lived experience there
Of course. I mean, what a love triangle.
I'm not sure it had happened yet. It might be foreshadowing, or fear @@katsmith471
"Why do you think being transgender is all about hating yourself and hating your body?" This is the sort of thing I think whenever I see TERFs talking about how trans women can't be women because they haven't "experienced the trauma of growing up as a woman." Shouldn't the goal be to eliminate trauma as much as possible? And if we're defining womanhood by trauma experienced, what happens to the definition of womanhood if that trauma is eliminated? That's really a sad way of looking at womanhood, tbh. Trauma can be part of of the female experience, yes, but we shouldn't define ourselves by it.
Not only that but its very presumptuous- the trauma suffered by a black woman vs the trauma of a white woman are two totally different experiences, why should a trans woman’s trauma be excluded because cis women didnt experience it the same way?
right? i fucking hate the idea that the thing that makes me a woman is trauma. how depressing.
What also gets me mad at this whole “Non-binary people aren’t valid because they don’t have dysphoria” argument is that sometimes it’s not even true. There are tons of non-binary people who do have dysphoria to present more androgynous. Some even chest bind or get top surgery to do so. I myself have a friend who is non-binary who has dysphoria who chest binds and has had suicidal thoughts linked to their dysphoria.
As a cis woman I feel insulted that people who claim to be “feminists” assume that the defining characteristic of womanhood is pain and trauma brought on by men-in other words, defining womanhood around what men make of us.
@@beautifuljazz1322 I know this is an old comment but you phrased the problem so perfectly.
Me forming arguments with myself in the shower just in case i have to win an argument fight
LOL, I'm glad I'm not the only one that does this.
I've wasted SO much hot water in deep thought >
God damn that’s relatable
Lol I do the same thing.
I’m glad it’s not just me doing this!
What I’m most impressed by is the commitment to 3 different characters to the point of 3 separate manicures
DEADASS
4 manicures if you include justine
script must've been on point before she started filing this, because it'd be a real bitch to go back to each character and refilm a line.
@@damntheycaughtus I'm not 100% sure two nails count as a manicure ;P
@@1334neko 😂
Back when I was closeted and a strict transmed, a genderfluid fandom friend told me this: "I don't want to be valid, [Name], I just want to be happy. I know that validation from strangers contributes to some people's happiness, but to me it really, really doesn't. What does contribute to my happiness is being able to just do what I want and not having to compromise on aspects of myself that ultimately don't harm anyone else." It put things into perspective for me.
While I agree with your friend, playing devil's advocate I would say then "So being genderfluid is essentially the same thing as the awareness of stereotypes and not wanting to conform to them, and so you find you stereotypical group that claims to defy stereotypes, like being goth or emo or even coming up with new genders just so you don't find yourself placed in some sort of box"
Reminds me of that comment saying "people have told me I'm valid so many times I'm feeling less like an enby and more like a bar code"
@@SaladDongs nice try but thats not even what being goth or emo is about lmao
@@starstudios653 Nice try but you missed my point by 1000km
@@SaladDongs I know that’s not your point dipshit I’m just pointing out you don’t know what the hell your talking about when it comes to either subject lol
"I pity you, because you don't think you're real unless a man in a lab coat signs a prescription pad, and I can't imagine what it's like to have so little confidence in your own reality."
Ok you didn't have to call me out like that.
“Justine was extremely gay” hits a little different with Shame out now
I wonder if Tiff Tumbles was also based on that other person.
@@TheDevNell I'm guessing Tiff still represents Blair White. The other person is Theryn, and while in Canceling Natalie did say that Theryn was at one time not accepting of non-binary genders she was able to persuade her otherwise when they met in person for the first time.
Holy shit it does so bad
crystalcoveseries Natalie did say on Twitter that Tiffany isn’t Blaire but is just supposed to represent self loathing trans women in general
YES i agree
I'm a 57yo white, cis woman (never traditionally feminine) who grew up in Alaska and knew nothing about trans people, nor how many people were trans. Your videos have allowed me to educate myself from a compassionate point of view. Thank you so much for your openness and honesty. Blessings and be well, sis.
Hard same.
Wow, thanks for the open mind! That's touching you'd step out of your bubble to learn... much appreciated!
Well I might as well say hello.
You’d be surprised how open alaska, or at least anchorage, has become nowadays. I live there, and in high school and college seeing people come out as gay or trans or non-binary was pretty nice. Especially since growing up I was in a town that was very discriminatory racially, sexually, and religiously. Heck, people would discriminate against me and I was only 1/4th Mexican and I didn’t even come out as Bi until I left. I know in the past Alaska was similar mindset-wise, but now people are becoming far more accepting and free to explore who they are here. I’m sure if you were to see how immense our pride festival is every year, it would feel like cultural whiplash compared to your prior experiences here.
Same here, I'm a cis male from a trailer park somewhere in the rust belt.
"Natalie is enbyphobic! Just look at this video!"
You mean the one where she depicts the enbyphobic person as the antagonist?
@@rubyNuva this james person has been replying to every comment stating that Tiffany is the only person who makes sense lol
She said everyone is valid what do you mean
@@cxyj4yvalid in gender identity, not politics. Tiffany is unquestionably wrong, her arguments come from internalized transphobia, she wants to fit in, to the point where she becomes a mouthpiece for the society that actively makes her life harder
Well technically since she is the main character she is the protagonist; just not a good one.
super super late reply but as an nb as soon as Baltimore started talking I was like ‘I want to be as iconic as this person’ like I love them SO much
I love how you went to the most extravagant new age non-binary specifically to show even they are valid, rather than going with an androgynous person.
People are much more likely to accept the latter and it shows backbone to show that the former is also valid
"As a centrist, I'm undecided" has to be the most hilariously accurate quote ever
Agreed, it was perfect!
Centrists are lazy enablers.
Help Humanity what do you mean?
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 what if I say they're not? ... your username would have to agree
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 No. My political views aren't "lazy" having moderate views I can actually learn without losing my shit, and thinking for myself is far from lazy, lazy is when you go with the crowd and agree with whatever they say. No thanks. Right and left doesn't have to choose for me and force their agendas on me.
@@MuerteMorrison You really think that no one has an agenda for "centrists"? You are not immune to propaganda, and one of the lies centrists are fed is a belief in their own impartiality. Read up on the Overton Window some time.
"as for how many genders there are, i'm gonna take the centrist route and say two and a half"
so many great jokes in this one.
'Argument to moderation (Latin: argumentum ad temperantiam)-also known as false equivalence, false compromise, [argument from] middle ground, equidistance fallacy, and the golden mean fallacy-is an informal fallacy which asserts that the truth must be found as a compromise between two opposite positions.'
- Wiki the Pedia
Non-binary/agender/genderqueer isn't a gender, it's a state of being, checkmate atheists.
@@Lycaon1765 am I gonna get to tell my kids that I saw the TH-cam video that defined modern trans philosophy when it first came out?!?
There is only male and female, but people can be a mix of both.
As for what pronoun people should go by, just what ever gender they feel most comfortable as.
If someone is mentally somehow exactly 50-50, they should just look at their physical sex and just go by that, if you are truly 50-50, you shouldn't care what pronoun people use on you, so just to avoid confusion just go by your physical gender, it just makes life alot more easy ^^
The ultra rare cases where you are also physically exactly 50-50, which should maybe only happen once a few billion (though you probably wouldn't be also 50-50 in mind)
Then you could use the "they" pronoun line.
@@PerfectAlibi1 it's not quite that simple, you see.
You're still trying to assign a "number" to one's sexuality.
This was a wholeass movie. I've never felt so invested in four people played by the same person
The fact that she created this extreme example of the conservatives idea of a 'transtrender' and manages to make us take their side. I entered this video agreeing with Tiffany, and left understanding how close minded I was and how valid baltimore is.
@@JamesGallagher90 Baltimore isn't real you terf
@@JamesGallagher90 okay then, prove it
@@JamesGallagher90 lmao. Baltimore doesn't need a internal struggle for validation
*He
@@JamesGallagher90 It's 2022. Are we really going to sit here crying over a fictional character winning an argument simply because they don't fit your idea of a "good trans"?
There is one thing about this video that makes this so unrealistic that it's almost unwatchable.
The host actually lets the side they don't agree with TALK.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Jackie Jackson is just a puppet being poorly operated by a horny, vodka drowned pigeon. I doubt she even knows other people exist.
@@tylerd8289 woah, that's too real, shit
I do like this kind of format but at the end of the day Contra is still basically having a discussion with herself and both sides aren't equally represented. Only downside about these videos imo.
Ophelia well I don’t see it like that, Contra is playing different types of personalities as you can see they have different opinions.
@@Efiehome That's true, but it's not a real discussion of two people on separate sides and it's not difficult to tell that Contra is usually biased toward one. It's of course not what Contra is going for, but I would love to hear the opinion of someone who actually holds opposite views. It's rare to see these kind of debates on TH-cam and I would love to see more of them, especially with someone like Contra. Like... Having a ''truscum'' debate someone who doesn't think one needs to have GD to be trans. Or actually having a radical feminist with gender critical views sit across from someone like Contra. It doesn't have to be a debate where someone wins, just hearing both sides having a chill discussion about their views would be a cool thing, even if you or I might not agree.
I think that everyone who called this transphobic literally just read the title and didn’t watch a second of it
Wait, people did that?
Hat-Eating-Cthulu-Goat yeah I remember seeing a couple of people on twitter getting mad because she used the term “transtrender” which is mostly used by truscum folks. They obviously hadn’t seen the video lol
She's arguing against enby people. Yes, it's a persona, but I get why it confuses people. Not everyone knows Tiffany Tumbles has been set up as a fridgebrained rainworm.
ConspiracyTheoriesWithTea anyone with half a brain knows that Baltimore and Justine won the argument. It’s so obvious especially during the tea part that Tiffany is in the wrong
@@adrien2998 You're assuming angry twitter has half a brain. Group mentality has been proven to lowel IQ, and although IQ is obviously a limited way of observing intelligence it still indicates that angry twitter is definitely dumber than the sum of its parts.
rewatching this 3 years later and man i forgot how influential this vid was in helping me realise how flawed my transmed views were. not only does it align transness with conservative views that being trans is a mental illness, but trying to present transness as squeaky and appealing to the cis. this fits so well with your recent vid, minorities never got recognition from society by playing by their rules
Same here! I just re-watch this video after her new video! And I agree with you! Amazing comment ❤
I have a 7yo son who has declared himself a boy since he could speak. I also have a 16yo non binary kid. I hate it that I'd believed my son to be "more trans" than my 16 yo.
It's harder for me to understand non binary - I guess because it's kind of based on what the person isn't, as opposed to what they are. I know it's a flawed view, and although this helps, I wish I could understand my 16yo in the same way I understand my 7yo..
This video changed my entire worldview around transness and I'm so grateful for its existence.
This video and CopHatesMoe changed my life for the better and i owe them everything
“Your honor in my defense, it IS a glitter beard.” Lol. brilliant.
I can't believe how contrapoints created this masterpiece debating but also defending enby identities just to have a bunch of people cancel her for being ' - phobic'. I'm so sick of cancel culture.
She's wonderful fuck everybody
She'll be fine. I bet a crazy video is coming.. She's just done with Twitter.
Literally she has opened a huge door for non-binary people on TH-cam to discuss these issues, only for a bunch of idiots to ruin it
canceled
You got played fool I’m not non-binary, I’m cis…
Baltimore Maryland has definitely been to the 5th dimension
The DMT is strong with them
when the mooooooon is in the seventh houuuuuuuse
As a person who lives next to Baltimore, I can confirm. It disappeared a little while ago and we’ve just been pretending it still exists and everything is fine, while it is really not
@@choccymilk9821 As a person who lives _in_ Baltimore, I can confirm
Use to live there. Thankfully I moved
This was comforting, distressing, thought-provoking, mind-numbing, enlightening and confusing, but most of all highly intelligent and subversive. Natalie is spectacular.
I'm NB, still thinkin about Baltimore Maryland to this day, a monarch, an absolute icon.
"I ended capitalism and everything I tweet is woke"
Just amazing
Amazin'
o.o; The Borg have really changed from when we saw them last.
A video where a woman dresses in fancy outfits and talks to herself somehow has better romance subplots than most shows on TV
Better character arcs, too
THIS.
umm Orphan Black
@Reg Eric What you wrote is called "projection"
man in drag*
"My name is ~Baltimore~😊."
"Baltimore what? 🤨🙄 "
"😌✨️~Baltimore Maryland.~✨️😌"
"I'm sorry, 😐 your name is _Baltimore Maryland???_ 🤨🤨"
I rewatch this video constantly for this line delivery alone.
“But you don’t see me going to talk shows to play the vIcTiM”
“No, i see you going to talk shows to play the BULLY”
the way I rolled 😂😂😂
I regularly forget that Natalie is just sitting in a room talking to the chairs across from her.
@@ezranian Danke! ;D
@@Kiss_My_Aspergers She probably has an assistant in the other chair reading the lines of the other role(s) from the script. I imagine that would help her perform and improve the flow.
@@irrojer Oh yeah, good point. She *has* been working with Theryn a lot lately.
Methods aside, your comment highlights an incredible skill one can witness grow over the course of her videos
@@iamnotaskater11 ^-^ For real, she's so impressive!
The level of costume design here is honestly kind of mind blowing.
Justine's "anti-lesbian" nails, are maybe my favorite visual gag yet.
Crohn's Disease i cant stop thinking about it
What a way to describe long nails
@@nataliegibson5226 thats not the point :')
@@nataliegibson5226 It's where the long nails are.
@@TheSkyHazCloudz what u mean?
"It is among my names."
Goddamn if that isn't a high-key nonbinary feel right there.
Ngl I Iove when non-binary people refer to themselves in an almost diety like fashion
@@airplanes_aren.t_real It is definitely a Mood I feel quite often.
This was really helpful for me as a cis guy with some trans/nonbinary friends/family. Thanks so much for content like this. The deep dive here was incredibly helpful and insightful.
Some men make straw men in their arguments.
Contrapoints makes straw queens.
this is literally 10 years of tumblr community development in 30 minutes
I'm betting this conversation happened at least 10,000 times on Tumblr throughout those ten years, and each time took this long.
Can you explain please? I have never been on Tumblr before
@@user-id5yg9fc9k tumblr has a lot of people who are very into making deep philosophical arguments about everything - I think that’s the joke
And nonbinary is just as "valid". 😂
@@JaysonHere also a lot of flags and terms came from tumblrs debates.
“Do you think you can purchase freedom through conformity?”
Damn it Natalie, stop making me examine myself!
It's literally how society works though. We temper ourselves to fit in .
@@silver4831 and society changes over time and is different between places on what the standards are for us to conform to. If those requirements are unnecessarily harmful and stifling we should change them, no?
@inacore Sure it's fucked but what can we do about it?
@@kstar1489 How? I can't just kick and scream at employers to change. At the end of the day I got to work and conform.
as a straight man i have no business here, but damn that was entertaining and informative. my favorite contrapoints video
I'd say you do have a place here if you're trying to learn and understand.
Gender roles were necessary in nature, but now that there's technology, we have robots. As humans are less dependant on nature, nature isn't necessary anymore, so gender has lost any meaning or purpose. Even birth has been hacked by technology, to the greater extent humans' are in control of nature now.
@inacore men didn't bear children back then no? obviously, not to be condescending. women had the primary connection with children after birth as well, as they needed to be breast fed to survive.
@inacoreGender dysphoria is a response to trauma, it's an escape from the body to cope, dysphoria flight/freeze response in the nervous system. If it is absolutely necessary then someone should do what is needed, but there is something to consider exploring trauma and not running from it. The body is in its healthiest state when functioning without cross sex hormones or surgeries.
@@Anton-sz3sr what’s your point??
I'm a transman who has always leaned toward the 'transmedicalist' theories, and I think it's because I'm coming from an extremely unaccepting family.
Watching this, I'm realizing that I struggle to empathize with alternative gendered people because it makes me feel like they're working against my attempts to show my family that I'm normal and real and a /man/
But I'm not somehow more normal than them because I call myself a man and I feel good presenting very masculine.
Forcing myself to live by this rigid explanation of what it is to be trans, especially at the expense of other people who are trying to live their lives just as much as I am, is just...
destroying me inside.
To all my alt gendered homies, even though people like me have probably treated you like trash in the past, please know that it's coming from a place of serious pain. It's going to take a lot of work for us to understand each other. For me, this video was a good start.
You are so loved. - an alt gendered homie
I'm a transmasc nonbinary person, so I really appreciated reading your comment. I hope your journey of communication and acceptance with your family gets easier over time. I have experienced much the same and some close family I've had to distance myself from entirely due to toxic stresses caused. So I can empathize with that fear and pain strongly. Take care, and thank you for deciding to open up your heart and mind more to those who aren't binary trans.
Crimino Krimino Thank you. I understand and sympathise, and your apology is accepted and sincerely appreciated.
this made my cry so much. thank you very very much for this.
I appreciate your apology, but the defense that your parents are unaccepting and that you're in pain...just doesn't do it. My parents hate me more than anything, and I don't go around telling total strangers that their very existence is ruining my life, which is something I've heard LOTS of truscum say on r/ftmmen. WE'RE IN PAIN TOO. Do you think my conservative religious parents are MORE happy that I'm an agender freak than that I'm simply a binary trans man, the son they always wanted? Enbies hurt too, but we don't devote a ton of energy and time to convincing the general public that you're a fraud, that you're everything that's wrong with the world. No one has EVER been as hateful, cruel, invalidating, and emotionally abusive to me as truscum have. If you think the fact that you're in pain is an excuse to recreate the very abuse you've received, you're a child, and you need to grow up.
As someone with autism, Baltimore's argument about dysphoria really resonated with me. I've been formally diagnosed with autism, but my brain has never been scanned (for that purpose; I have had problems with sleep apnea and seizures), and the only way for me to really demonstrate my autism is through my words and my actions. Forgive me if this is an overreach, but the way I see it, transgenderedness works in much the same way. It happens in the brain, and only you can directly observe it. Other people only have your words and actions to go on, and that's okay. Almost everyone I've met believes my autism. I hope more people in the future believe your gender(s).
Yeesss, this is nearly the EXACT feeling I had when I watched, but with my ADHD; you just put it into words much better than I could have, lmao.
Now that I'm sort of questioning my gender and just why I feel so wrong all the time, it's sort of frustrating/interesting to see the difference in how people react when I tell them about how I think I have a neurological disorder/possibly gender dysphoria.
The idea of both are rejected at first but it seems that people come around to the ADHD stuff quicker and more fully.
there are a lot of trans and autistic ppl that have made the same comparison
yaaaaaaaaaaaasssss
as an autistic nonbinary lesbian with adhd, so much of my existence depends on people taking my word for it on stuff that i don't even have the words to explain. in the end i just have to hope they believe me and do what i want them to do. it's all the same, unfortunately. i don't think you're overreaching
thechucknorrisofNSMB gender is different than medical conditions is the tldr.
autism is different than medical conditions too, but in a different way. it’s not incredibly similar to mental medical issues as it’s more of a “different brain” scenario than inherently personally painful one (although it can be im not trying to speak for autistic people).
adhd, on the other hand, is a medical condition that identifies in certain ways. it’s not a socially necessitated category that compromises identity that exists outside of the realm of medicine. i.e society doesn’t expect people to have a mental illness and, for most people with it, it doesn’t compromise a portion of their identity that they want other people to see or be validated for.
gender on the other hand, has so many other factors in flux in its composition that it’s impossible to medically reduce it down to a single variable, a single diagnostic.
That roast of centrists at the beginning via Jackie Jackson is worth everything 😂
The kabuki music that plays whenever Baltimore talks never fails to send me to space
If stargender is a thing, will there be astro-terfs?
/ music plays
ROTFLMAO!! You win the internet!!
What would Astro-Terfs reference here? Can you explain that
@@WindspriteM Mulan Astroturf is a fake grass substance that is often used for sports arenas. 'Astro' is a word root that comes from Greek, meaning 'star'. A TERF is a Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. It's a pun with a respectable number of layers.
@@kriggitch.5855 Astroturfing is also a name for the art of manufacturing a false "grass-roots" perspective on an issue that is, in reality, just the sock-puppet of an existing power holder. So as well as being a violently delicious pun, it works on ALL THE LEVELS :D
@@kriggitch.5855 yeah, I knew what a term was, didn't know astro-turf
Lol my auto-correct knows both of them now
You've not only mastered the utility of the Socratic dialogue. You've... Trans-cended it.
YOU WIN
*_slow clap ------> standing ovation_*
Whoa
Oh no, the puns have begun.
YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH
I come back to this to hear ”Do you think you can purchace acceptance through conformaty? Because that is not freedom. That is simply adding another cell to the prison.”
How did she clock herself as a lesbian so often and then never realize she was one
Holy balls her editing is so good that I forgot theres not actually 3 people in a room talking to each other
Wait.....there wasn't?
The make-up is so good!
Hells yeah!
i can't even imagine how much work she puts into these videos omfg
Garbage Matts are fucking amazing like that
Can we talk about how Justine's breakdown about loving cat girls and being gay is just foreshadowing
What is cat girls lol?
@@jennahyser7245 girls who dress as cats
@@ilexdiapason like think they’re actually cats like trans species 😂 lol
@@jennahyser7245 what?? are you being sarcastic? but catgirls and catboys aren’t trans-species?? it’s a popular trope in anime and irl it just means you wear fake cat ear headbands, and says nyan.
@@StigmataMartyrz no I really never heard of it. I didn’t know what it was so I was just making sure it wasn’t that. Idk I never heard of people dressing like cats except some vice video I saw awhile ago where all these girls lived together and they dressed like cats. Is that kind of what it is? th-cam.com/video/GDiUc7vtzFA/w-d-xo.html
twitter: "omg natalie is such a truscum transmedicalist nbphobe!1!1!1!1!1!11!"
this video: literally denouncing transmedicalism and uplifting nb people
Yeah Twitter users are insane. This video really made me think and sorta helped me see things from a better viewpoint. Plus the ending was hilarious. 😂
Sadly, that's the problem with sarcasm as humour, some people will take you literally 😅😅
i could listen to baltimore talk all day. i love how natalie commits to these characters in presentation and personality and voice
I don't know if people recognize enough how good Natalie is at creating the illusion of a conversation with different people with her acting skills alone. It doesn't just feel like she's talking at a camera, it feels like she's actually talking to another person in the room. Good editing though too of course.
I feel like that has a lot to do with even being able to write a script like this, you really do have to see from both sides
Yeah I am honestly blown away, she's so good
This was the first of her videos I watched, and it took me way too long to realise she was talking to herself
I feel like this comes from an internal debate, you know?
sound editing too, overlapping etc
"Do you think that you can purchase acceptance though conformity." Is such an underrated quote. Like that hit me in the soul.
Baltimore coming for all of our lives tbh...
acceptance through conformity will never be genuine. what do we do about that?
I mean that's literally how society works. You can start shitting on the floor everywhere, but that means you'll be less accepted.
YES
@@MrCmon113 comparing gender non conformity to shitting on the floor just isn't an argument
How glad I am that THIS is the first video that comes up when you search up “transtrenders”
This is literally the most eye-opening, informative, and cleverly-made video I have ever seen on this subject. The fact that it's also HILARIOUS AF blows my mind. Superbly, utterly, totally GENIUS.
I need to adopt Baltimore's debate style. This is so peaceful.
Need some drum and flute back up?
hywel dda I do
I’m currently in a debate with someone using Baltimore’s technique and it feels honestly so great to be so completely calm and just go ‘I wonder WHY etc.’
I feel Baltimore was right lowkey
@@RufusTheBaptist but you understand, that the whole point about baltimores technique is, that he is privileged as fck, right?
justine's anti-lesbian nails are an incredible detail
Lily Fenster holy shit I never noticed that before great catch
what's the timestamp? i couldn't find it
@@estevaoucceli7060 you can see her hand at 14:38
I'm sorry, but what the hell are "anti-lesbian nails"?
Signed,
Confused cis gay guy
@@kissfan7 it's lesbian nails but with a inverted pattern..? you didn't need to be that rude
“Delusion is what separates us from the animals.” I love this.
unbelievable this video came out 4 years ago. thinking about where i am now in my transition compared to 4 years ago when i identified as a cishet guy, this video just explains everything i couldn't put words to then (and still can't now). thanks for being so eloquent and for speaking so descriptively about these things, Natalie. you're the realest
Justine: "Oh come on, I'm not gay"
*freeze frame*
"Justine was extremely gay"
Came back here to watch contra talk herself into realizing shes gay
Haha me too! While watching "Shame" I immediately thought of the 2nd half of this video.
@Oh Man yes
Horngry harold she’s a lesbian
@Horngry uh oh smooth brain alert 🚨
@Horngry aww cute :) I remember being this ignorant and uneducated. You can do better, I believe in you dude!
I come back every few months to hear "I pity you, because you don't think you're real until a man in a lab coat signs a prescription pad. and I can't imagine what it must be like to have so little confidence in your own reality."
Ah yes. The video that helped me realize I was nonbinary.
Non binary = made up dogshit for attention, cringe as fuck
@@dakota5530 L + ratio
@@Julia33066 Average 10 IQ zoomer response
Jackie Jackson sitting eating a red, white, and blue popsicle refusing to interject or fact-check whilst the guests on her show argue about psychology, gender, and science is the best impersonation of Dave Rubin in internet history.
SMP 1993 - reminds me of Shoe0nHead; minutes of silent fidgeting before finally cutting in with “SHIT that’s a good point.”
SamWallace Art that's an apt comparison as well lol.
I am Jackie Jackson and I’m trying not to be biased going into this debate because I haven’t heard the other side yet. Maybe they’ll make good points as to why “non-binary” attack helicopter people exist
The progression of Natalie’s costumes and make up from when she first started is astonishing and I love it
Seriously! I was one of her earlier subscribers when she only had a few thousand. Watching THIS vs when she'd stand in her livingroom with terrible lighting and an awkward bookshelf years back warms my heart #goals #inspirational
I miss old tabby
The comment I was looking for. Yes. She's going more over the top on each video and I love it. The costumes the make up. The jokes. The characters. I seriously don't know what to expect anymore.
I disagree with half the shit she says. I come for the costumes and jokes mostly.
@Eriko. Oy I honestly can't believe she's the only one behind this. There HAS to be someone helping her with her costumes, lighting, editing, scripting, and argumentation
Baltimore is the most powerful character you've introduced so far. They'd obliterate everyone through sheer iconic-ness
I am a trans man and was a transmedicalist when lots of previously transmed creators came out saying transmedicalism wasn't right. This made sense, but I wasn't able to change my viewpoint. I asked for guidance and someone pointed me towards this video, and it genuinely changed me so much for the better. Thank you, Natalie.
Glad you changed, welcome!
Proud of you, dude
I personally still align with a lot of transmed views. I will admit I used to be pretty toxic when I was a 17/18 year old trans kid who barely passed and was just miserable. I am autistic so I view the world in black and white and I find it very hard to see the bigger picture. For example, I believe my gender dysphoria is a medical condition. I think transmedicalism has been sort of slandered a bit because of the actions of a few. At it’s core, it’s simply just the belief that gender dysphoria is a medical condition (which makes sense to me as medical treatment is available to those who want/can access it). I think dysphoria is helpful in explaining how being trans isn’t a choice.
saying tumblr is twice as old as the first gender dysphoria diagnoses hit me like a brick.
y'all know that one meme where the OP shows a piece of media and they say how old it actually is in the caption, and you feel like you rapidly aged 30 years? yeah, that's how I felt.
I’m about to make y’all’s day even worse:
The Internet, as we know and functionally define and use it, came about in the shadow of 9/11.
Everything about it that makes it what it is developed during the Bush Administration and invasion of Iraq, and was directly or indirectly influenced by it.
I would say that it's a bit of a reach though, we typically trace medical understanding of transness as "a thing" back to at least Institut für Sexualwissenschaft which is early 20th century and about as old as any modern psychology. That's why it's so well-spread and why countries like Iran or Russia have legal transition mechanisms, even if restrictive and medicalised.
@@AnadynTheCursed Yeah I think Baltimore was just saying that this transmedicalist idea of transness being the same as people with a gender dysphoria diagnosis is a much newer theory than the concept of third-gender or nonbinary identities.
@@clsisman Sure, but before DSM-5 they just used "gender identity disorder" which would also not be diagnosed with a lot of people transmeds would call transtrenders. It might be that modern transmedicalism is actually very modern, idk, but the medicalisation itself is old enough so there would have to be a different argument to prove it.
"Do you think you can purchase acceptance through conformity" - most underrated line. We're all a little guilty of this
I know, it was amazing. I really enjoyed that line.
We're all trying to purchase acceptance through conformity to SOME extent, so it's a really important line to think about.
If nonconformity is the conformity, I always prefer to be the contrarian.
Timestamp at 5:00 for those who want that delicious Baltimorian wisdom
Praise The Sun!
30:30 “the attempt to prove it is as degrading as it is futile.” I think about this all the time and I’m SO grateful for this line and the entire video. I’m so grateful Natalie did so much work to bring tublr knowledge to TH-cam for those of us too disabled or old to have been reached by the radical transes of the corners of the internet. Finding this video was like having fuzzy vision for my whole life and then finding glasses for the first time.
I’m non-binary and I searched this video specifically because I’m just getting into ContaPoints and I heard she questioned the validity of non-binary people’s existence.
Welllllllll…….this video really sounds like she was defending non-binary people! How did people think this was anything else?? I saw a skit that highlighted the struggles within the trans community between binary trans people and non-binary trans people, which expressed the concerns of binary trans people while still defending the experiences of non-binary trans people. There are many binary trans people who feel threatened by us. When you fight so hard to prove you’re valid and real in a world that hates us, of course you’ll feel threatened when someone claims the same community but follows different “rules.”
This video is the internal struggle we face within and outside of ourselves. It reminds me of how there are lesbians who hate trans lesbians (TREFs), or gay men who won’t date bisexual men. Or how bi people in general are seen as traitors, especially when they end up with someone of the opposite sex. Our rainbow community is filled with these internal struggles. And we don’t progress without this exact discourse. We don’t progress by hiding or ignoring or attacking. This is a brilliant pierce of work. AND it gives non-binary people a platform to be seen and heard and validated without simply dismissing the concerns of binary trans people.
You're right. The rumor that Natalie doesn't support non-binary people was never true, but it's been around consistently for ages now.
Well tell whoever you heard it from that they're wrong lol.
As a conservative white cisgendered male, I never understood why it is considered a "community".
Do straight people also belong to a community?
White people have their own community?
No, nobody ever talks about that.
It is such a leftist collectivist almost communist idea to lump people into groups based on these different characteristics and call it a community. You don't live together. You don't interact with everyone who's like that. You don't all talk or act the same or have the same beliefs.
Sorry, the word Community really bugs me when it's used in this way.
@@billsmith8825 lol. NOBODY ever talks about a white community? Have you been outside in the last few centuries? Whiteness and supposedly traditional, supposedly "Judeo Christian values" are seen as THE community- of the "west", of the US, etc. It's seen as the default community outside of which all other subcommunities of marginalized people exist. The reason us white folk don't need to form such strong community identities based on our marginalized identity is because we're not, yknow. Thanks for sharing your pet peeve about a word though, I'm sure all anthropologists and sociologists will go ahead and get right on that.
@@jazwhoaskedforthis I don't know about you, but I work with, play with, and hang out with all sorts of people. LGBT, black, Hispanic, Asian, tall, short, male, female, all sorts of religious persuasions, and guess what? That is my community.
Lumping people into groups according to different categories is the problem. Saying that the LGBT is a community, when they are just part of our larger community, just singles people out and pits people against one another. Everybody is fucking oppressed, okay?
White males makeup the vast majority of war deaths, suicides, homeless people, people who work horrible jobs that no one else will do, they get zero scholarships to get into college unless they earn it, women are graduating in a rate of 60% to 40% because they have thousands of programs to get into college... and men have zero. They get treated unfairly in divorce court and custody battles, I could go on and on. Everybody has perks and everybody has disadvantages.
This identity politics bullshit is going to cost our nation. We need to drop all of it and judge everybody based on the individual merits of each person, while still treating people with dignity regardless of their situation. Dignity is different than respect. Respect has to be earned. But everybody should be treated the basically the same, across-the-board.
Jackie Jackson struggling to open an ice pop is my new aesthetic
Steven Killeen a Rocket pop, it’s even better lmao
I want it as a gif for every profile of everything
Literally loudly deepthroating America while opining the fact that she doesn't have a brain
Kinda sorta spot on
Based on the colors she was trying out America's mouth feel
@@r_bear imagine youtubers disecting this video like they do every avengers movie
so tiffany tumbles is just blonde blaire white
Pretty much
Yep
I think that was the point
Yuuuuuuup
Lol precisely
This woman is a fucking genius. Holy shit
Thank you so much for this! Someone very close to me started the argument of "nbi is not trans, my trans and nbi friends told me so" and would not listen to me. I may yet send this video (along with several others) if they express a genuine desire to learn. I'm nbi myself and it's hard enough living in a situation where I've had to be closeted for almost 2 years despite having explored and come to terms with my own identity and where my experience of my identity originates from without being told by a CISHET who professed themselves as an Ally that they'd rather side with gatekeeper "friends" than their own sibling. I needed this video today. Thank you for using your platform to confront these prejudices that creep even into our own community.
"Maybe we should stop getting so caught up in proving our validity to ourselves that we end up being horribly cruel to other people."
Q.E.D. *mic drop*
Love this line. I think it applies to most people, not just those in the trans community. It seems that under the harsh light of social media, everyone is trying to validate themselves to their social spheres. In turn, they sacrifice the nuance of their character and degrade others who think differently. We should all practice some more empathy. *Namaste ;)*
It ties in very well to Tiffany's last video appearance. Internalized bigotry becomes the alibi for externalized bigotry. A form of projection, if you will.
@@Graemyr Hell yes, social media is like a school playground at lunchtime, except on a much larger scale. It is also much, much more mean-spirited because everyone is geographically-diverse and relatively anonymous.
"Log on to Twitter and ramp up the drama to 100%" should be the mantra for all post-millennial self-medication addicts.
*Virgin Tiffany Tumbles vs Chad Baltimore Maryland*
LMFAO! 😂 🤣 😅
Baltimore keeps the chuds awake at night.
vs gad tabby
LMAOOO
@Thunder Strike yo why the fuck are you here
This must have been hell to edit, but this video is GOLD. Because she's not making fun of gender non confirming people... she's using them to help society understand, I'm only trans female. But I think this vid is marvelous.
I lose it every time she struggles to open the popsicles and all you hear is the sound of scrunching plastic. So damn funny.
"I pity you because you don't think you're real until a man in a lab coat signs a prescription pad. And I can't imagine what it must be like to have so little confidence in your own reality."
Ouch. That hit home. I'm not trans, but I'm desperately fighting for a mental health diagnosis right now and the struggle to believe in your own perception and the struggle to be heard and believed is very real. Fantastic video, Natalie.
I did this too in the beginning of my recovery and it was so painful to deal with. I have spent years doubting myself because I didn't have a 'real problem' and thinking the only thing to make it myself feel better is a piece of paper. It's really liberating to be more compassionate and empathetic to ourselves. Natalie is a treasure!!!!
Whoa! And your comment really hit home for me - thank you! Whether it's the mental health diagnosis I already have or just things about me - big or little, I rely way to much on the validation of other people to make my experience (and myself) feel real. I've been working on this for a while, but I still have a lot of work to do. Why do I put the opinion of the few people in my life who don't think depression is real (or don't think xyz is real) ABOVE my own reality? Another person's belief/opinion should never be more important or more valid TO ME than my own experience. My own experience is all I have - I should trust it a bit more. I am valid, my experience is valid, my beliefs are valid independent of other people's opinions. Wow. Thank you!
@@juliagulia9224 I suppose it's always easier to listen to others, because they and their voices feel more real sometimes - especially if you're already struggling with your own identitiy and your own feelings. I'm glad you could take something empowering out of it! I'm very grateful for these honest videos Natalie makes, because in being so open about the insecurities she faces, it becomes easier to be honest to myself, too. Like she's looking into a mirror and I'm peeking over her shoulder.
because years of education + the fact that everyone has they're own version of reality would make it hard to live in a society.
if you feel different, you're different but you're also not (bc ive yet to meet someone who feels okay). i'm sorry to hear you're feeling confused with who to trust, even though i study psychology, its still a persons perspective of people which equally changes with the times but all of society is built on arbitrary rules that the majority choose and that's only reasons society works. if we all agreed that every one point of view was correct how would we accomplish our goals? at some point, someone's view would oppose someone else's and what then?
don't believe your own perception, even the sanest people cannot see the 'truth' they can just see their perspective. i hope you find a professional who listens.
@redpaintedwoman so many of us have been there! Always stand up for yourself, never back down if something feels off, and if you can find medical professionals you feel you can trust. Keep fighting-you are valid, your mental health is valid, and it will improve your life no matter what pessimists and chuds May say to you. Take care.
“Do you think you can purchase acceptance through conformity?” gIRL
T o t a l l y
O b l i t e r a t e d
You can though...
butterstix 24 they don’t accept YOU they accept your act. Not the same thing.
Shit hits hard
Jaz Helton T H E T R U T H!!!
I just noticed Justine has the reverse lesbian nail style...10/10
as a non-binary person, I feel like Baltimore is an accurate representation of my identity
okay we officially need a ContraWiki for the Contra Extended Universe
There is one.
can we give her the infinity gauntlet then?
@@willowarkan2263 What makes you think she doesn't have it?
@@jedigecko06 Damn, that was fun to visit. My favorite line is Shaun having a cameo in "What is Race". HA!
@@georgeparkins777 Because facists still exist, Comrade.
I love that all of the characters had fully fledged arguments. Like, sometimes when someone makes a video on a certain subject, they make one of the characters have a super weak argument to make themselves look better. What I really appreciated about this was even Tiffany had a full stance, even if it was misguided. I like that that specific character was a transgender woman as well, I just think it was really well done.
I agree! And what I loved more is this distinction between portraying both sides equally and both sides fully. Some people only think discourse is proper when both sides are valued equally, but this leads to very stupid conversations if one side is clearly wrong, for example a “debate” between flat-earthers and scientists.
But rather than make a caricature of Tiffany or make a stupid debate between *equal* sides, Natalie presents both sides *fully* and we can see for ourselves that the logical conclusion of a binarist gender perspective is bigotry and intolerance.
It's sometimes called "steelmanning" an argument (finding the best form of the opponent's argument to test opposing opinions), as opposed to "strawmanning" (misrepresenting/poorly representing the opposing argument for the purpose of rejecting it).
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I KNOW. I liked it so much, it shows an actual understanding of the real arguments on both sides, while still being fairly clear what the main takeaway is supposed to be. But strawmanning your opponent only preaches to the choir, if your goal is actually to get people talking or change minds resorting to that isn't going to help. Plus then if you've never been fed any real arguments a side actually uses and then you get in a debate with a real transmed, you could easily be blindsided or have no answer and think "huh...that sounds legit. What do I say to this?"
I agree I felt drawn towards her argument at times instead of just knowing “oh this character has the bad opinion”
“Do you think you can purchase acceptance through conformity?”
Well, I...uh. _Fuck._
Hello! I just discovered your videos, and they have been absolutely revolutionary for me. I’m a trans/genderfluid/nonbinary/very confused human being at the moment, and you have address all of my concerns about the validity of my feelings and renewed my determination to keep exploring myself. From the bottom of my heart, thank you, and I sincerely hope you keep creating.
When Jackie said "If I've never seen my brain, how do I know I even have a brain?" I felt that.
Lol. I read your comment right before she said that. Perfect timming
absolutely same, fam xddd
Shane Grele I had an MRI and all they found was an IOU from God....lol.
Adolf Trump and you have the most antichrist name - "adolf trump" 😂
@Adolf Trump it's easy to deduce you have a brain based off circumstantial evidence. And you can see a brain, if you look for pictures online or a book. Where as, there's NO evidence to even suggest there is a god. At least Chaos theory has a mathematical process that makes sense. You can write it down, you make graphs, etc. Point being, it's not a joke to point out the logical fallacies of the religious and question why it is they believe at all. I know you think atheists are trolls but they're posing real questions that are not being answered in any convincing way.
"if i've never seen my brain, how do i know if i even have a brain?" my GPA felt that
Schrodinger's brain
This applies to most of contrapoints viewers
Marxism will win, contrapoints won
1-0 for marxism
I love how Natalie subscribes to the Plato like example of showcasing philosophical stances via parables and arguments between characters. True modern philosopher tho.
I kinda love Baltimore. They have the best energy. I feel bad for poor Tiffany, she is really a tragic character. ._.
Great job Natalie, you gave lot of good food for thought!
I really don’t see how people think Natalie is insensitive towards nonbinary people. I’m nonbinary and I find her videos absolutely brilliant. She directly acknowledges and validates nonbinary people in most of her videos. I absolutely love her.
Same. I finally accepted myself as gender fluid when I watched this. And I was in the middle of falling into Kalvin's self-hate trap too
@@mariacillan9668 I knew there was a reason why I felt distanced from Kalvin's content
they don't watch the whole videos; they stop after reading the title and write an enraged paragraph somewhere
Also nonbinary, and also adored this character. They made nothing but good points, and Natalie handed the whole situation well in my eyes.
Serena Egger absolutely! i love Baltimore!
“As a centrist I am undecided” “they’re transing 13 year olds” I can’t.
the 2 genders and a half thing killed me
@LOCAL COPEshow me one 8 year old who's into medical transition.
LOCAL COPE WE GOT A LIVE CHUD!!!
"fear is what freedom is all about" was also a great line.
Joe Rogan's career in a nutshell
"I'm not gay"
"Justine was extremely gay"
lmao