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Fixed Blade VS Expandable Broadheads
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2016
- I am often asked the question: "Which is better a fixed blade broadhead or an expandable broadheaed?" In this video, I give my answer and suggestions after many years of using and testing both fixed blade broadheads and mechanical broadheads. For archery tips and bow tuning, watch the following playlist • How to tune a compound...
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how do you sharpen broadheads
It depends on the type. I have a sharpal broadhead sharpener I use. Here is a link to learn more about it and get one if you want one th-cam.com/video/XheGaaO00jg/w-d-xo.html
I use the G5 montec 3 blade and I just use the same wet stone I use for sharpening my fillet knife since the blades are angled for it.
You are spot on ! This had happened to me
I hate to hear that an animal may have suffered, but cannot say thank you enough in sharing your situation so I don't reproduce that circumstance! Advice taken and appreciated! Keep up the great posts.
Thanks I’m glad you can learn from my mistakes! God bless you
Cat to fish
I said the exact same thing. Broadheads just seem so much more economical, they’re cheaper overall, you can resharpen them, it has no moving parts to break. I was kinda iffy about moving parts on an arrow head, that’s just another thing that can break/deploy improperly, wounding an animal with what should have been a kill shot. Just Murphy’s law, that mechanical will fail and you’ll miss the biggest buck you ever take a shot at.
Sean I'm so glad you mentioned it took you long to get over the doe. I lost my first deer (happened to be my first shot at a deer) 2 days ago and I'm absolutely in emotional shambles!! Glad to know I'm not alone. Also, pretty sure it was partly because of the mechanical broadhead. I've since switched to fixed-blade...
Yes very emotionally painful and takes a little while to get over! God be with you!
Good idea just make sure you tune your bow to your broadheads👍🏼
You are not alone. Lost only my second deer last year. I still relive it. It has changed my hunt this year. It is a big reason for watching this video and examining everything about how I hunt. (equipment, placement, etc.)
Man, I have to tell you... when I get into something I do a TON of research. I’ve been shooting, reloading and building firearms and ammunition for many years but I am new into bow hunting and the archery discipline. With this I’ve learned you have to take everyone’s “advice” and “expertise” with a grain of salt. After hours and hours and hours of research and practice I’ve learned you are absolutely without a doubt the best ‘mentor’ (even if by video) that I’ve had thus far. You explain everything in great detail, and bring factual evidence from your experience reinforced with these videos to provide a great direction for somebody like me to follow and be successful. I appreciate this a lot and hope you ‘keep hammering’ as one of my other newly found admirations Cameron Hanes by way of Joe Rogan would say. Great job brother! God bless!
That is great! Thank you!
I'm still new to bow hunting, and this is the best video I've come across regarding fixed vs. mechanical broadheads. Very helpful. Thank you!
That is great! Thanks for watching. God bless you.
Agreed. A lot of people are super opinionated about this topic, but this is a very knowledgeable take on it.
Huge respect for you showing us your mistakes allowing us to learn from them along with you. A lot of people would only want to show there successful hunts.
Thanks! Glad you felt that way. God bless you.
First, great video. You've converted me to fixed blade broadheads. My experience has been with mechanical in a crossbow, but I'm hunting with compound this year and will use fixed-blade at your recommendation. Second, I keep hearing guys mention "value" in broadheads. I think it's funny that guys go out and spend $1,000 - $1,600 on a bow, hundreds on clothing and other equipment and then get caught up in buying the $34 broadhead over the $45 broadhead to save $11. That's funny!
Lol, good point. Thanks for watching.
Hey David Greenapple,
I saw that you mentioned that you shoot a crossbow. Just thought I'd throw this out there: a crossbow is a different animal than your regular compound bow. The biggest difference is today you're getting much higher velocities (I'm talking over 350 fps, even quite a bit higher than 400). Taking this into consideration, your accuracy is going to suffer a serious blow when using a fix blade. As far as a mechanical getting caught on bones goes... If you shoot the Rage heads that are designed for a crossbow you're going to go through bone no problem with the foot-pounds modern crossbows can deliver. A friend of mine shot a Rage Hypodermic straight into an Aspen tree by mistake, but was able to dig it out of the tree without the head suffering any damage. One more thing, the reason the mechanicals don't leave as good a blood trail as a fix blade is because most mechanicals at only two-bladed thus cutting a slit through the animal instead of a hole. Though this isn't the best for blood trailing, your cutting diameter is quite a lot bigger thus bringing the animal down quicker leading to as humane a kill as possible.
Mind you, all this is for a crossbow as they are quite diddle rent from each your regular compound bow.
Thanks,
Kiernan
When I took my boys to the Hunter Safety and the Bowhunter Safety classes here in Florida, the instructor talked about this issue and recommended people always use fixed blade broadheads. He did a demonstration where he would pick a kid from the class and have them try to push an arrow with each broadhead through a piece of leather, and they could easily push through with the fixed broadhead, but nobody could push through the expandable. Great video and GOD Bless!
I'll take a expandable over a fixed any day! RAGE IN THE CAGE
Ben Krause absolutely!!
Rage in the cage and you have a beautiful bloody mess. Yes a fixed has better penetration but at least all the ones I've tried will not fly straight not nowhere close to a mech. Good penetration isn't worth a damn if it's in the dirt under a bucks belly.
Rodney Adam sounds like you need to learn to tune your setup
Rodney Adam you have to tune them... you owe it to the animal to do as much as you can to make sure it doesnt suffer
I totally agree with you, i've also had a bad experience with a mechanical broadhead. Never again, i'm always shooting fixed broadheads, it just goes through everything! It's awesome when you can help people learn from bad experience you've had. Awesome video, great job.
Thanks. God bless ya
Great info. I use RamCats which are technically a fixed blade but fly like a mechanical. I shot a buck just a week ago through the front shoulder. The arrow hit the opposite shoulder and stopped but had penetrated the front shoulder. In my opinion the RamCats overcome the flight issues of a typical fixed blade but also overcome the penetration issues of the mechanical.
Thanks for sharing
Just shot a deer today with a RamCat in my crossbow.👍
Bought a Crossbow from a pawn shop. Came with 3 bolts equipped with expandable heads. Seem more trouble than they're worth & I'll be getting a few fixed heads and new bolts. This video was perfect in clarifying that for me. 👍👍👍
thanks for sharing. good luck
@@seansoutdoors Thank you too brother 👍
Great video Sean, one of your best (they are all good). Straightforward information with video evidence to back it up. Thanks for helping me be a better hunter. God bless and Merry Christmas.
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Sean have you ever did the test on the different types of broad heads such as mechanical, verses 4 blade, 3 blade, & 2 blade. Secure a arrow in a vice then take and stretch a peace of deer hide onto something to where you can safely try to push each broad head through the hide. make sure that you leave at least 18 to 20 inches of arrow past the vice you have secured the arrow in. If you have never tried this you will not believe how hard it is to push a mechanical head through the hide, you will more than likely break or destroy the arrow while attempting this. The 4, & 3 blade heads are still pretty tough, but the 2 blade will push through very easily. A great example from a great hunter who harvested probably just as many large animals as anyone was the late Great Fred Bear. I do realize that the bear broad had a bleeder razor also if you wanted to use it, but in reality, it wasn't really necessary to use. I am almost 68 yrs. young and been hunting with a recurve since I was 8, & have experimented with many different types of broad heads through the years. But I always keep going back to the 2 blade, but the key as you pointed out is razor blade all the way to the tip, & sharp. I never messed with the mechanical broad heads because anything mechanical is subject to fail. And the animals we hunt deserve every bit of humane respect that we can give to them when we hunt them, & ultimately take their lives. Sorry to say in the sport I love many people are just interested in the kill, & not the hunt, & conservation which is our responsibility. Sorry I know I have written a book here but just wanted to thank you for you sharing your knowledge, & honesty with us all. Good Hunting, & MAY GOD RICHLY BLESS YOU& YOURS.
Thanks for sharing. When I took my hunters safety course in the 1980s they showed us a video of that comparing razor blade to the tip and a broadhead with just a point on the tip not razor blade to the point. It would break the aluminum arrow with the point and pass right through with tremendous ease with the razor blade to the tip. It’s a good example.
@@seansoutdoors Thank you for responding back tome Sean, I happened to notice this a little while after I had watched your video. I guess I had a old timer moment, Lol.Again thank you for your video's, & a willingness to share your knowledge. Have a Great year.
@@paulharwood1281 Thanks, Paul, you too. And thanks for watching. God bless ya.
@@seansoutdoors GOD has Blessed me already Sean, I call HIM FATHER. Same to you!
My friend Luki is a guide for deer and wild boar. He doesn't even allow mechanicals even on Roe deer which are half size of a Whitetail.
That's common
I believe you just saved me from a emotional experience!
Lol, thanks. Glad to hear it. God bless you.
I was baffled by the inability to find a buck I hit well and tracked over 500 yards until I saw this post. Thanks, Sean. Have a blessed Christmas!
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Great video - agree 100%. Early on in my bowhunting career I did use mechanicals for a while, mainly because I did not know enough about tuning my bow and previously had difficulty getting fixed blades to shoot properly. I have exclusively shot Magnus 4 blade stinger buzzcut fixed blade broadheads for years now, and have always recovered my animal with those.
I simply do a a French tune, then do minor rest adjustments and my broadheads always fly true and bang on target out to distances of 70 yards and beyond. I think a lot of guys newer to archery just don’t know enough about tuning like me when I was younger, and they buy a broadhead that advertises “field point flight” thinking this will be easy. When they shoot those and they fly like crap, they switch to mechanicals and never really understand why those fixed blades didn’t fly straight. One thing I always tell the new guys is to learn those basic tuning techniques and you will have little issue with getting fixed blades heads to hit where your field tips do.
One thing I was thinking about when you were talking about the lack of blood trails with rages - the old timer that owns the pro shop in my area was telling me about how he prefers multi-blade fixed heads because it is more difficult for the entry/exit wound to close or clot up, or get blocked with hair. However, I know with some of the high end two blade fixed heads, lack of blood isn’t an issue. Maybe it’s how thin the blades on rage are? Hard to say. But, even on excellent hits, like you said at times there isn’t much blood - depends on the angle, exit would, etc.
Anyway, sorry for rambling. Again, great video.
Thanks man.
You are absolutely right in what you say Sean. Thanks for your video.
Thanks for watching and sharing. God bless you
Great info Sean. I have gone to the G5 because of your input.
Excellent strong accurate flying missile
Check out VPA- they are superior to the Montec in every way
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What a great video even here in 2021. That shot at 7 min was incredible. Thank you for the info!
Thanks
I enjoyed your video and its information today. Last year I tried a rage 2 blade with my crossbow. Spent a good bit of my time sighting in the rage, had a 1/4" group at 30 yards consistently. Got out in the woods couple days later, had a doe come in at 30+ yards, this was a straight on shot just behind the left shoulder blade, only one blade deployed on impact, spent half the day and part of that evening searching for that doe. Finally found her, was not really all that impressed with the impact damage of the rage. This years rolls around, for what ever reason I thought I would try the rage again thinking maybe it was my shooting that boogered up the shot. Had a small group of 4 spikes step out with one large doe in the fore front of them. She was a straight broadside shot just behind the left shoulder again, heard a loud slap sound, 5 deer scattered. I was certain I hit that deer, went out to where I thought the shot placement was, no blood and no bolt. Went searching in the woods were I thought she may have run, 200+ yards, still no blood. Come back to where I started, there on the ground was my bolt with the rage, same issue as last year, only one blade deployed, but their was no blood on the bolt or the flights at all. Im done with mechanical broadheads, im certain if I had used my G5 that I removed last night, I would be filling the freezer today. It was a different rage broadhead than what I used last year. Very heartbreaking to think I may have injured an animal that I love and respect so highly, but i think this one will be ok.
Sounds like it is not a winning combination. Hope the G5 combination works better for you.
I want to try the rage broadheads on foxes. But that’s it!
In Australia we mostly only hunt with 2 blade diy sharpened broadheads. Re sharpen, re use. Better penetration than most of the fancy ones.
Look up Ozcut broadheads, Tusker, Widowmaker, Great Northern. 👍🏻🏹
Best of luck to you
Excellent, thoughtful and thorough discussion. Just what I was looking for! Thank you, sir! :)
Thanks, glad you thought so. God bless ya.
Shooting rage hypodermic. 65 lbs 28" draw. Mid weight arrow, carbon express maxima blue. Shot a very nice buck at 28 yards, hit 1-2" forward, got little to no penetration and had a good blood for 200 yards but it eventually trickled out and never found him. Learned my lesson on shoulder hits
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Sean. This past season, I was able to harvest a doe . 30 yard shot using a G5 Striker. I thought I hit it a little back because I did not keep in mind the lag time for walking and arrow flight, and it was walking a pretty fast. When I came up to tracking it, the arrow went through and through and was absolutely blood dripping soaked. She went maybe another 30 yards and dropped where she stood. Very impressed with the striker, but I feel their blades are a one shot deal. Mine after I retrieved my arrow were kind bent. Tip was good though.
Yeah, they are pretty much a one and done. I use the Montec the most because those can be sharpened and reused more often.
Your spot on with fixed broadheads I had the same issues with Rage expandables no blood and no penetration on other deer that shocked me I figured the hypodermic would be better than the 3blade the wasp drone blew thru and stuck into a downed tree out of a #59 HTR 39yrs bow hunting and the original heads still proven😉
Thanks, Raymond! Sounds like experience is a good teaching tool for many of us. Good luck out there and God bless you.
I use Grim Reapers I lost one deer due to a poor shot on my part, otherwise 5 deer blood trails added together didn't go over 200 yards with the razor tip 1.75 cut head. All had awesome blood trail even the one I wounded but it dried up after 150 or so yards. I am not afraid of shoulder shots 30 yards or less but I am pulling 72 pounds shooting a 400 grain arrow at 315 fps. I love your videos keep up the good work!
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I’ve made up my mind that I’m not using mechanical anymore, lost my first
Bow kill using one, quit bleeding after about 40 yards and never found her, went through the shoulder blade so I’ll give it that much it did good there and exited just behind the other shoulder so it was a good double lung shot, she dropped on the ground right then and flopped around with the arrow sticking out of her on both sides so I got a good look at where I hit then she got up and took off and never found her, then the next weekend I shot a small buck just to truly break the ice with a bow and made the perfect heart shot and got both lungs, but didn’t leave a blood trail even though he had a 2 inch hole in his side and lungs and heart plus the broadhead deflected off a rib just like in one of your clips on this video but I didn’t have a lighted knock so it took me a while to find mine, plus it bent the blade so I’ll have to replace the blades to reuse it, needless to say I’ve had a bad experience both times I shot something with the 30-06 outdoors bloodbath so I won’t be using them anymore and probably won’t be using mechanical anymore, I’ll go get some
Muzzy fixed blades or something, idk just yet
Sorry you had to learn the hard way
The closest fixed balde I've used that flies similar to a field point is the slick trick standard. I have the G5s also.
Thanks for sharing. My g5s work well to about 40 yards but then begin to hit significantly lower than my field points due to wind drag.
Thank you Brother so much I just bought some rage broadheads and got a lot of good feed back from this video I'm going with the fixed blades the guy from the archery shop said the same things he missed the biggest buck of his life because he hit part of the shoulder and the buck dropped as he was Calling his dad the buck got up and ran off I really appreciate the time and effort you put in making these videos for people we do greatly appreciate and benefit so much from all of this wisdom keep up the Great Work God Bless You Brother May Gods Peace Joy And Love Continue to Shine through You
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Perfect! Thank you, I was wondering about that.
Great, glad it helped. God bless you.
I used to swear I'd never shoot expandables and I use to shoot G5 Strikers. I usually watched them drop, but often saw little to no blood. I finally lost a deer with one on a good shot and my buddy finally convinced me to try the hypodermics. They have tested well and not glanced off in tests and my buddy had purposefully blown through both shoulders of a few deer to test them. I love them now and I think the tip design is what really separates them from other expandables.
As long as you feel confident that is about all that matters i guess. I've had many deer with no blood trails from Rage, and other people love them. You had a deer with a G5 that didn't give you much blood etc. I think you could fill a room with people who have shot a head you really believe in yet they didn't get much blood on a perfect shot. Great that your friend blew through both shoulders with an expandable, but what poundage and weight arrow? I'd still not recommend them to someone who shoots low draw weight and a light arrow like a youth...
We both shoot about 70 pounds. I shoot about a 380 grain arrow and he shoots a 450 grain arrow. I get 301 fps out of my setup and for me it all comes down to accuracy and being able to hit the right spot. I completely agree though that for bows under 50 pounds cut on contact is the way to go. I never really liked the design of the Rage Extreme that you got there, but the Hypodermic has a much better designed tip with sharp edges all around and it's smaller.
awesome
Thanks great analysis of the topic though! I just thought I'd throw that out there about the Hypodermics because I have killed quite a few deer with them and I think they're pretty innovative.
Thanks. God bless you.
There's arrow tracking system out now, and a new one coming out soon called Breadcrumb. They seem to be finally tackling the issue of run offs when bow hunting.
Awesome
Great vid Sean! Awesome real world info!
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Many hunting guides won't even allow those expandable broadheads on their hunts and I personally would never use one. I used a two blade and I have never had an issue with them.
I've talked to many people who have said the same thing. I think I heard someone say that there are even some states that don't allow mechanicals, but I am not sure about that.
Thx Sean, 2nd video I've watched and you know your stuff. I'm going to do a S.O.A marathon because this info for a beginner is invaluable!
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Two of my best bow kills were with montec 100 g shooting aluminum arrows ! Shooting at 290 ft/sec with a Mathews z light and black max cam !!! They really shot well ! I shoot rage 100 grain Hypodermics for xbow from my Mission dagger at 340 ft/sec !! Mission claims 350 ft/sec is optimal for accuracy out of a crossbow, that’s why their New Sub 1 shoots 350 ft/sec Anyway I’m jumping to a new 125 grain hypodermic for xbows !! No question about it, Shot selection regardless of equipment is everything !! I don’t shoot unless I’m taking a Heart shot period !! I would not that through the shoulder blade shot with a rifle, muzzle loader compound or cross bow !! Why because there is no reason to ??? You are more likely to get a better shot if you wait, if not, so be it !
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Great video Sean, I switch from rage last year for those very reasons. As I got older I found it more and more difficult to use 70lb draw weights. Even though I had great success with the exspandables, as my draw weights dropped i noticed and increase in the loss of penetration till about 2 years ago when I lost a Doe that I shouldn't have. Last years buck was a clean hit and pass through using the redhead blackouts. (BPS version of montecs) @55lbs draw.
Thanks for sharing
The only mechanical I’ve seen that I’d consider after my previous experience is the new NAP swingfire. It’s designed to “flex” around obstacles. I lost the only deer I’ve shot at with a bow. Cause I deflected off a limb I didn’t see and hit square in the shoulder and the arrow stopped like it hit a brick wall. I will be using the Magnus Black Hornets this year.
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Great video Sean. Just had my second bad experience with rage broadheads and I am making the switch to fixed. Keep up the great content.
Great, make sure your bow is tuned properly.
What was the bad experience?
I’ve had common issues with the rage 2 blade chisel tip. I double lunged a cull buck last year with a what was probably the most beautiful bow shot I’ve ever made, and i had zilch for blood on the trail.
Thanks for sharing Jake. God bless you.
Very valuable insight as you had video clips and examples to back it all up. Solid video
Thanks RagingGinger. God bless ya.
Will have to upgrade from Rage to the Swhackers! Designed to go through bones so it won't have as many issues as the rage.
Great. Hope you have good success. God bless you.
I shoot swhacker broadheads and have had great results with them
I’ve shot deer with rage hypodermics and they die real fast.
Swhacker are cheap compared to rage. I'll never use them again. Cheap ass blades on them. Rage are much much better heads!
Another vote for swhackers!
Excellent video Sean. I think I'll go back to a fixed blade after seeing this. I've had good results with my Rage expandables, but it's not worth the risk of losing your harvest due to non penetration issues. Thanks for your videos. Always look forward to seeing a new one. God bless.
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I agree with all of your points. I prefer fixed blades but have found that the short profile blades tend to fly much better, for example the Slick Tricks. Also Cabelas has a short profile called the STK 3 that flies like a dart. Muzzy Trocars also fly very well
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I agree with you on fixed vs. mechanical. I lost one this season I believe due to a mechanical. Hit her broadside behind the shoulder but no pass through at 70 lbs. 300 fps. 25 yards. Lost the deer as well as the arrow.
seansoutdoor that one got to me mentally. I was upset that she ran off and I could not confirm that she passed away quickly. I don't ever want to be the guy who lets a deer finish out its life with an arrow stuck halfway through it causing them pain and suffering every day. the long and the short is that I have chosen a much better fixed-blade Broadhead that gives me much more confidence. God bless you as well.
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I think it is also worth mentioning that a poorly tuned bow along with a mechanical broadhead magnifies penetration issues even more. I unfortunately learned this lesson the hard way.
Okay
Thanks for the info I was considering trying the expanding broadheads as I've seen them on sale lately but I don't see any benefit to it and this info even gives me more reason to just stick the basics. 👍
Best of luck to you.
Dear Sean,
I'm new to bows and never hunted using a bow before.
All hunters speaks about shooting the hurt, or lungs.
Folllowing the videos i watched whether yours or others I m with below info.:
1- today's bows are very accurate
2- high draw weight
3- using a narrow broad head long with two blades, 1/2 inch or less, assures accuracy, better penetration and deflection free.
4- shooting range is less than 20 feet
Based on above i believe a head shot with a cheap carbon steel narrow broadhead is more effective and humain.
Please confirm or correct my understanding.
Thank you for all the videos and valuable information.
Regarda
Each state has minimum requirements for draw weight for hunting. Usually it will be a minimum of 35 pounds for compounds and 40 pounds for a recurve or long bow. I prefer to hunt with about 65 pounds. The lower the draw weight the more important it is to have a fixed blade broadhead. A broadhead with a razor blade to the tip is best for penetration. The best place to shoot an animal is the heart or lungs NOT a head shot. Most people will not shoot more than 20 yards at an animal. God bless you.
Excellent video...I've switched to Montec G5's 100 grain about 6 years ago..they fly and kill better than anything I had used in the past.
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I am so pumped and happy everytime I see you post a new video Sean!!! I was just thinking yesterday that it's been too long since we've seen or heard from you on a new topic! Thanks for the pick up in my day sir!
seansoutdoor you as well my friend. Finished up this year with another 3 empty tags. Next year though, I have a feeling I'll be getting my first one ever. I do like the fixed and if I took a shot and missed because of the expandable or didn't get good penetration, I'd be devastated. I prefer fixed just by preference so this solidified my thoughts on it.
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Holy wow.. Through the spine? As in through the spinal column and out the belly? Thats incredible!
Yes, it was impressive.
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Awesome. Enjoy it!
Well said I just went back to fixed Broadheads 👍🏻 I had expandable not open and muscle Wounds with expanding Broadheads as well .. I use a Xbow great video 👍🏻👍🏻
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Sean, this is the first fixed/mechanical comparison accompanied by video examples in true hunting scenarios. Well done. I shoot fixed blade as well and believe you don't take chances when harvesting animals. Clean, quick (as possible) ethical kills are accomplished with well tuned gear and confidence in that gear. I question the complete reliability in mechanicals therefore I don't shoot them. Keep up the quality videos and merry Christmas.
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I could tell in the first minuet Sean didn't care for mechanical broad heads. And he explains why. like Sean I have used both I love and hate different things about them. A good thing to remember when shooting Mechanicals is shoot plenty of poundage. these broadheads can open up two or three times the size of conventional broad heads doing extrema damage. however with something that big it takes energy to push it threw an animal. And if you don't get an exit hole you don't get the large blood trail you want when tracking. It also helps to keep your shots lower on deer to get that instant blood trail. if you shoot them high lung the body has to fill with blood before it bleeds to the out side. And a deer may travel sixty or seventy yards before that happens. I love the accuracy and the Massive wound channels of some of these broad heads. I'm trying out a 150 grain three inch Swhacker this year and I will be shooting about 65 lbs.
Conventional broad heads give great penetration and a well placed shot will take down big game. I highly recommend them for large Animals like Elk. I personally find most of them boring but effective. Remember practice with you're Broad head before going to the woods with it. Most Conventional broad heads need tuned. and I have seen three Heads out of the same pack that shot groups as far as six inches apart at thirty yards. But the things would penetrate a 2X4. Just really know how your head and how it shoots. Or you might be broken hearted with a big miss or a bad hit.
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Nothing has shaken me like the two deer I have failed to recover. I feel ya.
Thanks Todd. Those are definitely terrible experiences. God bless ya
Man you are the truth speaking fixed blades the way to go I used G5 for 11 year most deer I shots run under 50 yards.
I agree, they never go far
Thanks , great info! Just subscribed, and will continue to use fixed broadheads.
Thanks so much Jamey. I appreciate you subscribing. God bless you.
Big, big thank you for sharing of your knowledge with us. In hunting I was always look for clean kill and don't care for maybe's.
You’re welcome.
Buddy of mine took down a big elk with a rage 2-blade... it was a ground shot though, and it was like turning on a faucet. He ran about 30 yards and tipped over, lights out.
That said, I still prefer the fixed broadhead. One less thing to fail. The extra 1/2-1" of cut doesn't matter that much if you wait for good shots and place 'em.
God bless you.
I've harvested 3 bucks a year since I was young except 1 that year I bought into the hype and lost 2 bucks from mechanical tip flaws. 1 didn't open but went through the buck blood on the arrow the 2nd hit bone as it passed through the deer. No blood found. I only use G5 or Muzzy now and I've no tracking issues anymore.
I like G5 as well.
Great info as always Sean. Thanks!
Thank you! God bless you
Great video, your opinions are supported with videos. I will have to disagree with the G5 Montec for a couple of reasons. They are stainless steel molded by the MIM method. Stainless steel is tough, but is easily dulled and will not penetrate as well as a broad head that stays sharp. I like the VPA, they are machined from a tool steel billet 50Rc, much stronger than the G5's and will retain an edge much better and are about the same price and have the best warranty in the business they are also offered in a lot more size and weight configurations! Montec does offer a CS model in 100 grains (carbon steel) but it is still molded rather than machined from a block of steel. It you want a harder steel broad head the Bishop and Iron Will are offered in 55 Rc tool steels but cost way more.
If I was having issues in the areas you raised, I certainly would be looking for something else, but I personally haven't. Even still, Sean over at Bishop Archery has offered to supply me with Bishop Archery Broadheads for the rest of my life if I wanted to partner with them. It is certainly a strong consideration.
Hi Sean We went back and forth a few years ago about Rage broadheads. I know you don’t know trust them. But just wanted to let you know that my son and I have killed 6 so far this year and 8 last year with Rage heads. That 80 or 90 something total. Still never had a problem with them opening prematurely. And have had incredible blood trails to every deer. Of course we have seen over half of them fall so didn’t need one. Still not sure what people are doing wrong when a rage won’t work for you.
I've shit a lot of deer with them and still use them sometimes. I simply prefer fixed because they are better if your bow is tuned for them.
Good video, I feel the argument of fixed vs mechanical is very subjective because there are so many different forms and brands of each. I have used rage and every good shot has served me well, but I recently switched over to Grim reapers because of the success and impressive wound cavity’s of my fellow friends. They seem to be pretty durable and haven’t had an issue yet. Even if you don’t get a pass through they flex and continue cutting as the deer runs. I will add that blood trails are weird sometimes, I’ve shot deer with rifles and had minimal blood trails but yet the deer dies quickly and it was a good shot. I like fixed but hate tuning them. Anyways great video.
As long as you are happy and confident with what you are using I think that is key. God bless and thanks for watching.
always very info Yt channel Sean👍👍👍👍I'm going to look into the g5. please keep up awsum job
I have used these G5 Montecs 100 grain for about 5 or 6 years..they shoot very accurate even long distance..super strong head . I shot though the spine of a big buck this year (just like the doe in this video..) great performance , you won't be disappointed .They sharpen easily on a stone or, I like to use 120 grit sander belt strip stapled to flat piece of board..just lay both sides of broadhead on paper while attached to arrow and push forward, then turn headto sand other sides..works great.
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My cousin shot 4 deer, 3 were with rage chisel tips, all 3 he couldn’t find the blood trail after about 50 yards. On the 4th deer my grandfather gave him a wack em Broadhead, and it punched through the shoulder. He found that deer 30 yards away in a brush patch.
Thanks for sharing.
I've shot deer with a rifle and they didn't bleed but I will be using a fixed blade this year per your advice thanks
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@@seansoutdoors will be my first year bow hunting it's very overwhelming trying to get everything right to limit as much error as possible. What is your lighted nock of choice
@@Gendronk I'm using Nocturnals but I wouldn't say they are the best. I don't really know what would be the best one.
Been bow hunting over 35 years and will never use expandable blades,to many guys I've seen have misfortunes with em,using Montec g5's now before that used thunderheads for years and still do with my trad bow,but the Montecs with my Hoyt spyder 30 they are awesome and you can sharpen them witch is a bonus at the price of new blades for others.
Thanks for sharing.
Awesome video Sean! If you havnt already take a look at the Ramcat broad heads my personal favorite they penetrate amazingly! I also have had some bad experiences with rage broad heads as you said they do not get the needed penetration if you hit a bone, but the fixed blades mostly have no problem with bone.
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Sean great footage. Awsome vid brother. Thank you.
Thanks!
i was just talking about this with a shop owner, depends really how you hunt if you stock expandable broad heads are useless always go with a fixed i like the monteck the expandable broadheads you really need them in a tree stands and to add to that you should always should go with a chisel tip the ones with the blades are alright but you need a good chisel tip... i like the kill zones or grim reaper whitetail both with the chisel tips... really depends on how you hunt... i personally hunt mostly in tree stands so mainly i use expandable .... climbers some hang ons really depends..
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i have had great success with the meat seaker mechanical broadheads, rear deployment, huge cutting dia.. and for me shot placement is the most important thing.. and a mechanical shoots just like field points..
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Really good content, as always. You mention something that kept my atention here... about poundage. Several times you spoke about low poundage bow. That lead me to ask: what do you consider as low poundage bow for hunting? (I'm curently using 57lbs bow). Thanks for all! :)
Probably 40s and 50s. You are on the cusp.
Hum Ok then, I'm pushing my bow to 60lbs... I should be able to get some great results then! ;)
57# is a good weight. You can kill any land animal in north america with a heavy (650 gr) arrow and a good single blade broadhead and at least a 55# bow
Weeeellll... you do have a valid point when it comes to shoulder impacts. However, I would never , ever intentionally aim for a shoulder . So for me, that would be a misplaced arrow, and you have as much chance hitting too far back. That is where I believe the advantage of a mech comes in. Maybe it moves at the shot... maybe you hit a twig... whatever. I use Wasp, jackhammer or NAP 3 blade 1 1/2” or 1 3/4” cut.
Now , if you’re talking crossbow, your advantage is WAY less. They shatter shoulder blades no matter what the broadhead. I’ve even seen one break a legbone and still penetrate the vitals.
Look... I don’t think mechs are for everyone. But if you’re pushing 65 or 70 ftlbs, I think they are a better choice
Know your equipment, if you know you can't shoot through a shoulder like it was butter then don't do it. If you do, though, and it gives you a more effective kill shot, then do it.
As for your thoughts on the advantage of hitting too far back with a mechanical, well, I used to guide for a living and it was a shame how many guys thought that way and shot deer in bad spots and we never found them.
I feel like mechanical broadheads can work great in certain shot angle situations but can be problematic in others. Plus there are multiple moving parts which adds one more possible thing to go wrong
Fixed blades open up your options because of increased bone breaking ability and penetration. I like to plan for the worst case scenario in the woods which can be unpredictable at times, not the best scenario
We are all responsible for making the most quick and ethical kill possible on any animal and any tactics or gear that increases those odds should be implemented
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Sean, ur tips have helped me out so much, I follow all of them, except I'm still using expandables, been thinking of switching, anyway was shooting my Hoyt vector earlier with the expandables, and my index finger was pointing out, which is a bad habit, like u mentioned in another video, lol. Well anyway I cut my finger and probably gonna have to have stitches. I'm now officially done with expandable broadsheets! Anyway thinks for the great videos and happy hunting. God bless! JD from WV
Ouch, sorry to hear that. Practice relaxing your fingers and let them droop around the grip so that doesn't happen again. Hope you heal up quickly and I thank you for watching my videos! God bless you.
Thank you for showing shots that ended up in maiming and wounding the animal. I wouldnt have assumed it wouldn’t penetrate. I don’t plan on using mechanical Broadheads after what should have been a kill shot maimed the animal instead ☹️. That should be on the box
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I use to work at a hunting supply store and I saw a lot of customers have mechanical broadhead failures.We quit recommending there use.
Thanks for sharing. God bless you.
I wish we could hunt with lighted knocks in AZ. i like how easy it is to follow them.
Yeah it is
Thanks Sean finely some one tells the truth about broadheads. I appreciate it.
Thanks John. Glad you think so. God bless you.
Sean once again thanks for the info.
Thank you
I've always preferred the biggest fixed broadhead. Mechanical styles just never appealed to me and now I have some good info to back up my own instincts
Awesome. God bless ya
Thss as ok for all the good information
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Great videos! Wondering what you thought about hybrid broadhead? Thanks for all the great info!
I haven't tried them, they seem a little strange to me in some sense. But, to each his or her own.
G5 Montec have always shot exactly where my field points do.
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I've never had fixed fly near as good as mechanicals!
I don't like rage lol I bought rage extreme year before last shoot three deer found one it ran 200 yards and wen we gutted it both the heart and lungs was tost but not a drop of blood the other two we couldn't find no blood at all and the was purft hits so I don't shoot rage anymore fixed blade all the way!!!!!! Great viedo and some awesome shoots and info!!!! Have a blessed night
Thank you! Same to you! God bless ya
I've laid down over 50 with rage . Always great blood unless it's a bad hit. It's all about shot placement ppl.
I have a hard time with this one. Especially the buckets of blood that I've seen after the ones I've killed. No passthrough still that 2 inch plus entry absolutely makes a fountain of blood gushing from it. Maybe my eyes aren't as good as yours or you have cameras to prove it but unless I find a deer I couldn't tell you whether I made a good shot or not. I can tell you where I think I hit it but not guarentee you anything. A rage into the lungs it ran 200 yards and no blood that's certainly a much different outcome than I've had with them.
I imagine when crossbow hunting, a lot of the disadvantages of expandable broadheads are mitigated by the extra power. Likewise the flight issues with fixed broadheads are exacerbated by the extra speed.
Maybe
@@seansoutdoors I noticed you mention two features of expandable broadheads which reduce penetration, 1) lack of a razor point, and 2) extra wide cutting blades. Is that it, is there another feature of expandable broadheads which impairs penetration?
@@ThirdLawPair The rear deploy of something like a Rage takes place in such a way that if there is a bone, like a shoulder blade that is present when it opens, it brings the arrow to almost a complete hault. There are thousands of hunters who have lost out on getting their deer as a result of this. I used to work as a professional guide, any my best friend still does. Most of the times when a hunter shoots a deer and we couldn't find it, it was because he was using an expandable (most often rage). Some outfitters will not even let their hunters use expandable. Some states even out west won't allow expendables because of these reasons.
@@seansoutdoors so it's the expanding action itself that hinders penetration through bone?
@@ThirdLawPair Yes
wow alot of good info again
thanks for you time abd god bless you and your family
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I am convinced that it’s essential to have full penetration. I use Iron Will four blade. Excellent penetration. Extremely sharp. Jus about the sharpest of all. Really hard steel. 👍👍
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Quartering on shots are kinda bad shots to take anyway. When I took my hunter safty course. One of the things was shot placement with a fire arm and bow. And Quartering on with a bow is not recommended for the reasons your just mentioned. So I have never even attempted it. I use expandable broad heads. broadside or quartering a way or I don't take the shot period.
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I love your video the only thing I disagree on is I shoot rage and I have no problem with blood Trails or any of that but I still like fixed blades to
Thanks. Hope you don't have a bad experience this year with them.
also want to say I love your videos you are very good at what you do keep up the good work Sean
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Maybe you've already done it and I've missed it, but if not, could you make a video showing tuning with a broadhead vs a field point? Thanks for the great videos.
I’ve been meaning to do one for years. I’ll try to do one soon.
Great video, I appreciate the hunting video footage to back up what your saying. Thank you this helps me out a lot. Also, have you ever tried using the 4 blade broad heads? I have heard good things bout the slick tricks for example but also have heard that because of the 4 blades there is some additional tuning involved like maybe getting longer fletchings or something because of how they fly compare to the normal 3 blades. Just curious if you have any input about this?
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I agree I used a expandable only once and that one time was my last time, had a buck at 8 yards and hit bone with a rage broadhead and it stop about four inches in absolutely one of the junkiest weakest broadheads ever, I did get the buck because he happened to stop after he ran a long long way, and I had a chance for a second arrow after tracking where he went, I used the best broadheads I've ever used to dispatch him instantly at 65 yards he was facing me but with these broadheads I knew would absolutely without a doubt do the job, and completely blew through the chest and neck bone and continued on and come out his hind hip bone and then 7 to 8 inches into the ground afterwards, can't go wrong with these broadheads because I been using them for a long time and never lost a deer yet until I almost lost one using a junky weak pathetic rage, I'll never change to anything else other than these broadheads because in my opinion there the best, the broadheads I use is MAGNUS STINGERS 150 grain
Thanks for sharing
@@seansoutdoors you're welcome keep up the great videos we need more people like you to give valuable info like this especially to our new comers of bow hunting any name brand good ol fixed blade broadhead are a better choice than expandable ones because of the less risk of malfunction or poor performance and such I use the Magnus stinger because I've used them a long time, other good brand fixed blades are G5, NAP the hellrazors, and the Magnus snuffer 3 blade, once you get your bow tuned with the arrow and head of you're choice, you have a excellent chance of better success to ones hunt, another great tip people miss while using big fixed blades are the fletchings themselves, a big fixed blade like a Magnus stinger don't fly well with short vanes like the 2 inch blazer vanes because they don't catch enough air to hold them straight in flight they tend to "nosedive" at longer distances, you can get way better accuracy with the longer vanes because they stabilize the arrow more the 4 and 5 inch long vanes works best with the big fixed blades
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I hung up my rage a few years ago. We had a few bad experiences in my hunting party with the garbage penetration. I stuck a stud at 5ds, shoulder blade shot, its all i had and needless to say I diddnt recover him. My 125 grain g5 strykers penetrate the shoulder no problem.
I hear you. Yeah, G5 give great penetration. Enjoy your time out there, and God bless you.
Sean
Thanks for the NON SPONSORED HONEST opinion on broadheads. Many Rage sponsored channels swear by them. 👍🏻
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Fixed blade broadheads for me all day long ! I shot a spike on Illinois public land October 28th and it tried to duck but the D.R.T. Dirtnap broadhead and about 6 inches of arrow busted thru and out the other side while the rest of the arrow stayed lodged in the spine. Needless to say it dropped instantly and maybe made it 15 feet. If it wasn't so graphic I'd post the video, but my god-children watch whatever gets posted on my channel, so I probably won't be posting that video, it's pretty graphic.
Amen