Reasons why Shelvey is interesting: 1) When playing Liverpool with Swansea, he said 'The game isn't about me' and then scored a goal, an own goal and got a red card 2) He is a player on the cusp of being great - someone with half the skills of a world-class player, but also enough flaws to hold him back 3) He is the stupidest intelligent footballer in the game. He's a playmaker who will cut a team open with pinpoint passes, and then immediately two foot someone 4) He killed Harry Potter
I don't know much about Jonjo Shelvey but from seeing him occasionally I think he a midfielder with a bald head and makes some crunching tackles. That is enough to care
I don’t know much about Jonjo Shelvey but from seeing him occasionally I think he’s a dark wizard with a bald head and makes some murderous actions against Muggles. That is enough to care
As a Liverpool fan, Shelvey had a lot of promise, I think it was either the 2011/12 or 2012/13 season he showed a lot of potential, he had a good half a season, was scoring some goals, and was reminding me a bit of Gerrard. The problem Shelvey had/has though was his work ethic, he would go missing at times and drift in and out of games. Brendan Rodgers preferred Henderson to Shelvey because of Henderson’s great work ethic, but Henderson wasn’t as creative as Shelvey was and Shelvey wasn’t as good as Henderson was with the work ethic, but Rodgers preferred the work ethic over creativity. Matt Le Tissier was a big fan of Shelvey and said he has everything in his locker but he needs to unlock that potential. But like I said the stumbling block with Shelvey is his work ethic and drifts in and out of games, if Shelvey had the same amount of work ethic as Henderson has, Shelvey would still be at Liverpool today as the captain lifting up the Premier League title in 2020. Shelvey had great potential, but it was his bad work ethic that stopped him reaching that potential.
For the last two seasons, once we reach 65 minutes, it's like watching Declan Rice with two broken legs shield the back four. The only way he'd be viable is if we play 4-3-3 with Shelvey, Hayden and a strong box-to-box capable of helping with possession play (Midfielder that we don't have) (Last person we had with this physicality was Mo Diame I believe)
@@alexturner9141 It's scary how close I was! I predicted the 4-3-3 and the need for a destroyer midfielder (we didn't know it'd be Joelinton at the time) Shelvey's rise has coincided with all of the above
I remember him being with us at Blackpool on loan for sixth months in 2011 and he was absolutely unbelievable. The highlight probably being a 40 yard free kick in a 4-1 win again Burnley, I was convinced he’d lead us to 2012 euros glory.
FM 2012 shelvey was a must buy. I think this series would benefit from something like a thesis statement that the analyst can argue for. eg. shelvey would be a world beater if he were Italian 10 years ago.
Yeah, agreed. It's a little woolly at the moment. As to your thesis statement, no he wouldn't be. He's good, but he's not Pirlo and he's not Totti. He would be a good Italian midfielder, perhaps good enough to get the odd cap for Italy, but no more than that.
Went about it all wrong, with facts and stats. You gotta know your audience. This is how I would have done it. 1- Kind of looks like an angry penguin. (Photoshopped pic) 2- When he gets the ball stuck in his feet he kind of waddles like he had an egg. 3- The swimming thing being a transition from penguin to the rest of the analysis.
I'm a newcastle fan and I really rate him. his passing is outstanding, and even played sweeper a few times last season, retro position. and no mention of his alopecia either, which must have affected him a lot.
I'm a Newcastle fan too, and while I do rate him, I do not feel he is good for Newcastle. He is best suited to a team who dominates possession. He would look unplayable at the top 6 teams, because he'd have more time on the ball, more possession. His flaws as a footballer, his work rate and his poor tackling won't be exposed as much.
I remember when he was at Liverpool and got sent off against Man Utd. He lost his rag (no pun intended) and started pointing and shouting at Sir Alex Ferguson. Sir Alex just laughed at him.
I genuinely believe that Shelvey and Spearing were brought through together at Liverpool with the idea that they'd be the English replacements for Alonso and Mascherano. Weirdly it shows how highly they were thought of at the time, and how bad Liverpool's management were at the time. He's a decent player though, and deserves to be thought of as one of the best English Registas of his generation, as obsolete as that might be...
Alex: he has an incredibly accurate range of passing, and looks to spread the ball around. Joe: so you’re saying he delivers the mail up to the front Alex: … sure
Glad to see Grace get a mention here, would love to see her collaborate with the channel in the future! (Her newsletter alex mentions is v v v good btw)
Alex has convinced me to sign Jonjo Shelvey... for Crystal Palace... on FIFA 21 Career Mode. I wouldn’t mind having Alex as my Sporting Director for the club now.
Adidas did a fan question session with StevenG and I remember someone asked him "Steve, does JonJo Shelvey take up all the car park at Melwood when he arrives in his Space Ship?".
I genuinely believe that if Jonjo Shelvey was born anywhere but England he would've wound up as a world class player in Italy or Spain by now. Players like Jonjo make me sad that English footballers never go abroad.
Don't think he's that divisive amongst the Newcastle fans. We're all pretty much decided that he's not good enough (to be an automatic starter at least).
Shelvey can have games where he’s amazing. He has an amazing passing ability but he can go missing and lazy and if he’s not on his game he’s invisible. Sadly for us and him he’s going missing loads over last season. Seems uninterested and we should sell him to be honest he’s totally uninterested
I’ll be really sad to see him go. One of my favourite players to watch on his day. Sometimes he can go missing but I think his lack of defensive effort is a bit exaggerated to be honest. Almost definitely biased cuz Ive loved watching him play for years.
Spot on my namesake. If he isn't bossing the midfield battle within the first 20 mins he fades out, it's quite an immature trait. He has phases where he knuckles down and gets a bit of consistency. No doubt with better players around him he'd look better but he was a step back after Cabaya, Shelvey lacks mobility but hopefully Willock will bring that like he did last season.
As a Swansea fan, Jonjo Shelvey was everything you love and hate as a fan. He'd score wonderful goals (Vs Villa, Vs Fulham), hit incredible long passes from deep to bypass a press & played on the edge so in derby matches or games with tension you'd love the fight and desire he showed to win the ball. However, he sometimes played on the edge too much (e.g. Vs Liverpool at home in a 2-2 draw when he had a hand in every goal), he seemed to ruffle feathers in the squad behind the scenes (press rumours) and sometimes it looked like he'd switch off or not be in the game at all and he couldn't snap back into it like certain players can.
I feel like Alex has hacked my brain. For years I have been Chairman of the "Pro Shelvey Group". Delighted there are more of us. For me, Shelvey would be in my England side everytime.
I dont like this idea that Italian midfielders have more time on the ball. iirc, the premier league and serie are are similar for passes per defensive action
Interesting Video: Can Alex talk about Jonjo if he was coached by a manager like Bielsa. If Bielsa was coaching jonjo would he move him to center back? Would he just sell him? Really enjoyed the video
My dads mate did his bedroom and kitchen and said his house is a shithole and his bedroom was covered in beer bottles/cans in the middle of the day in the middle of the week.
Shelvey is better than what most people think. This guy who is listening must be a kid who has started watching football only few years. Shelvey is a talent slowly fading away.
Shelvey has been poor for the last two seasons. He's always looked unenthusiastic but he's just been painfully inconsistent, generally attempting one hollywood ball ever 15 minutes and not often succeeding any more. His shooting has been painful- I wish he just didn't bother. I used to really like him as a player for us, he was the one talented passer we usually had but he's not really pulled those passes off in the last two years very often and agree he was underrated. He doesn't look fit for a lot of the time- this idea he "Sits back" is out of necessity as well as choice. It means players like Willock and Sean Longstaff (also a poor last season) have/ should be getting forward into the box even thought Fiona plays this ludicrous formation. Very talented but I feel his career is ebbing away- partly because of Bruce of course. The way he plays is likely a little _flattering_ in terms of statistics but I don't feel many Newcastle fans would currently rate him as highly as touted here.
Jonjo is one of the best English midfielders of his time. I will die on this hill. He is a quality player and the lazy accusation is pathetic! Looking at this after Bruce has left and how he’s played under Howe is also really interesting. Also, it’s funny how people praise JWP who is a poor man’s Jonjo but slack off Jonjo
Jonjo's stand allows him to play pin-point precise long-range passes, but he must touch an opponent with both his feet simultaneously within 60 seconds of said pass, or he will lose more hair from his body.
A player who really bugs me. All the accuracy in the world but he's the most honest player with the ball. Everyone in the stadium can tell exactly what pass he'll play a second in advance because he telegraphs them so much. He can sail a beautiful pass 40 yards down the wing but because he makes it so obvious the defence will be all over whoever recieves it by the time the ball lands.
Reasons why Shelvey is interesting:
1) When playing Liverpool with Swansea, he said 'The game isn't about me' and then scored a goal, an own goal and got a red card
2) He is a player on the cusp of being great - someone with half the skills of a world-class player, but also enough flaws to hold him back
3) He is the stupidest intelligent footballer in the game. He's a playmaker who will cut a team open with pinpoint passes, and then immediately two foot someone
4) He killed Harry Potter
How is this not top comment, please
Lol is the first one real? My god that’s gold.
@@coolfear360 he also assisted a goal and made a blunder for the other Liverpool goal. Match ended 2-2. He was literally involved in all goals
this is beautiful
@@coolfear360 he was the man of the match for both teams interesting watch
‘Watching clips of Jonjo Shelvey has made me who I am today’ - Andres Iniesta
Lol dont do that bro
He's more Xavi than Iniesta
@@ankh_k he's better than both combined what u on about?
@@ankh_k I don't think so, what you have failed to consider is Iniesta has a lot less hair
@@joshmccaw2777 i dunno man. i ain't seen his bush.
Give me 10 sticks and Jonjo Shelvey and I will win you the Champions League
-Sir Alex Ferguson
Now i know why Alex shaved his head during the Euros. He was silently protesting Southgate's decision to not include Jonjo in the England squad
@Christian Christianson the other guy with joe
@Christian Christianson Joe is guy who has laptop in front of him
I don't know much about Jonjo Shelvey but from seeing him occasionally I think he a midfielder with a bald head and makes some crunching tackles. That is enough to care
That's a very astute remark.
Bald head? Strong tackles? A relic of days gone by; a veritable living, breathing museum exhibit.
I don’t know much about Jonjo Shelvey but from seeing him occasionally I think he’s a dark wizard with a bald head and makes some murderous actions against Muggles. That is enough to care
He hardly gets near the opposition to make a challenge, on the the very rare occasion he does, it's only via a mis-timed lunge.
Shelvey isn't a tackler
He has a few movies about himself where he fights this wizard kid called Harry.
I think this series needs the addition of Joe's transfer rumours buzzers
Yes, very much agreed. Those buzzers are absolutely hilarious!
With "Wow" or "I don't care" etc.
it'll be priceless to watch alex get incredibly annoyed at those buzzers
@@raghuk6063 no wonder he left.
As a Liverpool fan, Shelvey had a lot of promise, I think it was either the 2011/12 or 2012/13 season he showed a lot of potential, he had a good half a season, was scoring some goals, and was reminding me a bit of Gerrard. The problem Shelvey had/has though was his work ethic, he would go missing at times and drift in and out of games. Brendan Rodgers preferred Henderson to Shelvey because of Henderson’s great work ethic, but Henderson wasn’t as creative as Shelvey was and Shelvey wasn’t as good as Henderson was with the work ethic, but Rodgers preferred the work ethic over creativity.
Matt Le Tissier was a big fan of Shelvey and said he has everything in his locker but he needs to unlock that potential. But like I said the stumbling block with Shelvey is his work ethic and drifts in and out of games, if Shelvey had the same amount of work ethic as Henderson has, Shelvey would still be at Liverpool today as the captain lifting up the Premier League title in 2020. Shelvey had great potential, but it was his bad work ethic that stopped him reaching that potential.
Really enjoying this series. Alex smashed this one out of the park.
How?
@@mitch7848 shut up
3:21 love the random momentary increase in volume
For the last two seasons, once we reach 65 minutes, it's like watching Declan Rice with two broken legs shield the back four. The only way he'd be viable is if we play 4-3-3 with Shelvey, Hayden and a strong box-to-box capable of helping with possession play (Midfielder that we don't have) (Last person we had with this physicality was Mo Diame I believe)
This guy in the video is giving him way too much credit
once we reach 20 mins sometimes
turns out he just needed Joelinton along side him
@@alexturner9141 It's scary how close I was! I predicted the 4-3-3 and the need for a destroyer midfielder (we didn't know it'd be Joelinton at the time) Shelvey's rise has coincided with all of the above
Jonjo grew up around the corner from me, I remember walking to the shop as a kid and seeing him kick a ball against the wall all day
Did he still look like Voldemort
I remember him being with us at Blackpool on loan for sixth months in 2011 and he was absolutely unbelievable. The highlight probably being a 40 yard free kick in a 4-1 win again Burnley, I was convinced he’d lead us to 2012 euros glory.
surely if Shelvey won the euros with Blackpool he would have been a legend forever! (I'm kidding, I got what you meant)
Shelvey was a joy to watch for swans. He played like steven gerrard with a grit and anger of a young rooney. Really was awesome to watch
Alex: "He is Charlton's youngest ever player"
Joe: "Sure! Now we taking..."
Me: wait what
Also Joe: "Say more things to make me care" 😅
FM 2012 shelvey was a must buy.
I think this series would benefit from something like a thesis statement that the analyst can argue for. eg. shelvey would be a world beater if he were Italian 10 years ago.
Yeah, agreed. It's a little woolly at the moment. As to your thesis statement, no he wouldn't be. He's good, but he's not Pirlo and he's not Totti. He would be a good Italian midfielder, perhaps good enough to get the odd cap for Italy, but no more than that.
Can’t see him getting anywhere near the Italian midfield myself
@@KindredBrujah I mean for an Italian domestic team.
And the thesis statement would obviously be a bit controversial. Yer know, clickbait 'n all that.
@@davrothelegend Yeah, I agree with the idea wholeheartedly. :)
Great that Alex brought out Grace Roberton's newsletter, the retrospective on England has been excellent.
Do you know where I can find this?
@@lkindness @GraceOnFootball on twitter, she has a link to her substack newsletter there
@@tysonwilkins2537 cheers bro
I don’t know why but the “but if Thiago played for Newcastle…” had me rolling
Absolutely brilliant. The very interesting pieces of information like the the London expansion plan were incredible. Thank you Alex.
Went about it all wrong, with facts and stats. You gotta know your audience.
This is how I would have done it.
1- Kind of looks like an angry penguin. (Photoshopped pic)
2- When he gets the ball stuck in his feet he kind of waddles like he had an egg.
3- The swimming thing being a transition from penguin to the rest of the analysis.
I always buy Jonjo Shelvey on fifa regardless if I am playing with Barcelona or with Charlton Athletic
Hes a top talent, if you shine his bald head just right he grows to 91 overall
@@blackkeiron The secret to that is that theres a spot on the back of his head that people tend to overlook
@BK SHELVEY
Still remember that City vs Newcastle match where Shelvey and KDB scored INCREDIBLE goals
I'm a newcastle fan and I really rate him. his passing is outstanding, and even played sweeper a few times last season, retro position. and no mention of his alopecia either, which must have affected him a lot.
I'm a Newcastle fan too, and while I do rate him, I do not feel he is good for Newcastle. He is best suited to a team who dominates possession. He would look unplayable at the top 6 teams, because he'd have more time on the ball, more possession. His flaws as a footballer, his work rate and his poor tackling won't be exposed as much.
I remember when he was at Liverpool and got sent off against Man Utd.
He lost his rag (no pun intended) and started pointing and shouting at Sir Alex Ferguson.
Sir Alex just laughed at him.
This whole video is hilarious! Great work. Dream team would have Shelvey and Pukki in it!!
Alex always with the high quality insight, wish we got more of him!
"in the same way that football left Jonjo Shelvey behind, I might do too" xD
"Say more things to make me care" hahaha 😅
I really enjoyed watching him played for Swansea
Ah a Grace Robertson shoutout, more Alex on the show please!
I genuinely believe that Shelvey and Spearing were brought through together at Liverpool with the idea that they'd be the English replacements for Alonso and Mascherano. Weirdly it shows how highly they were thought of at the time, and how bad Liverpool's management were at the time. He's a decent player though, and deserves to be thought of as one of the best English Registas of his generation, as obsolete as that might be...
i enjoy watching alex slowly start to see how this series works
Alex: he has an incredibly accurate range of passing, and looks to spread the ball around.
Joe: so you’re saying he delivers the mail up to the front
Alex: …
sure
The Dark Lord shall return. 🐍
Football hipster senses activating
Hope that Alex knows that he is great, and so interesting to listen to, even if Joe is a bit harsh on him sometimes
Glad to see Grace get a mention here, would love to see her collaborate with the channel in the future! (Her newsletter alex mentions is v v v good btw)
grace is absolute class
I will never forget Men in Blazers calling Jonjo Shelvey, "Hallitosis, personified"
Great series. Seb watch those stock music levels in the edit!
"You'll have a good time bu not a long time"
That's always been my personal slogan
One of the best long passers in Europe, looks like Howe will use him a bit better than Bruce did.
Alex has convinced me to sign Jonjo Shelvey... for Crystal Palace... on FIFA 21 Career Mode. I wouldn’t mind having Alex as my Sporting Director for the club now.
Adidas did a fan question session with StevenG and I remember someone asked him "Steve, does JonJo Shelvey take up all the car park at Melwood when he arrives in his Space Ship?".
Great work lads, how does one get a hold of that Tifo t-shirt?
I absolutely love this. Well done guys
So does Alex think there’s still a place for Jonjo skill set at international level?
He who must not be named
I absolutely love jonjo Shelvey❤️. people underestimate him so much!!
Can we find these TIFO IRLs on Spotify? Want to listen to them on my commute!
LOVE this series concept!
If Alex used some of the information from Atheltico Mince on Shelvey, I'm sure Joe would show more interest😂
Why should I care about this channel 😂
I already subscribed 😂😂
I genuinely believe that if Jonjo Shelvey was born anywhere but England he would've wound up as a world class player in Italy or Spain by now. Players like Jonjo make me sad that English footballers never go abroad.
Don't think he's that divisive amongst the Newcastle fans.
We're all pretty much decided that he's not good enough (to be an automatic starter at least).
Is it April 1st?
Yours,
A NUFC Fan.
The stats don't lie, we are a better team with him in the team than without, underrated player with a beautiful right foot
Shelvey can have games where he’s amazing. He has an amazing passing ability but he can go missing and lazy and if he’s not on his game he’s invisible. Sadly for us and him he’s going missing loads over last season. Seems uninterested and we should sell him to be honest he’s totally uninterested
I’ll be really sad to see him go. One of my favourite players to watch on his day. Sometimes he can go missing but I think his lack of defensive effort is a bit exaggerated to be honest. Almost definitely biased cuz Ive loved watching him play for years.
Spot on my namesake. If he isn't bossing the midfield battle within the first 20 mins he fades out, it's quite an immature trait. He has phases where he knuckles down and gets a bit of consistency. No doubt with better players around him he'd look better but he was a step back after Cabaya, Shelvey lacks mobility but hopefully Willock will bring that like he did last season.
Has all the makings of an all time great, but his attitude holds him back. Very talented.
As a Swansea fan, Jonjo Shelvey was everything you love and hate as a fan. He'd score wonderful goals (Vs Villa, Vs Fulham), hit incredible long passes from deep to bypass a press & played on the edge so in derby matches or games with tension you'd love the fight and desire he showed to win the ball. However, he sometimes played on the edge too much (e.g. Vs Liverpool at home in a 2-2 draw when he had a hand in every goal), he seemed to ruffle feathers in the squad behind the scenes (press rumours) and sometimes it looked like he'd switch off or not be in the game at all and he couldn't snap back into it like certain players can.
Really like this series can’t wait for the next one
This video didn't make me care about Jonjo Shelvey. But it did give me a better understanding of why I don't care about him, which I appreciate.
They gotta make one of these about Xhaka.
I feel like Alex has hacked my brain. For years I have been Chairman of the "Pro Shelvey Group". Delighted there are more of us. For me, Shelvey would be in my England side everytime.
Is it because you're bald
Is Alex’s shirt a sign of incoming Tifo merch?
I always enjoy watching Shelvey. He’s got wonderful vision and always asks for the ball. I think he’s a useful mid table player.
These are fascinating videos. I'm loving all the new series on IRL.
Ayee Alex long time no see
I dont like this idea that Italian midfielders have more time on the ball. iirc, the premier league and serie are are similar for passes per defensive action
Well at least he got me to type in Jonjo Shelvey in my TH-cam search afterwards.
Good job pal!
Jonjo Shelvey is great as a deep lying playmaker. The only issue I've had with him is his commitment.
Jonjo Shelvey keeps the flame alive for people who remember Yul Brynner
Interesting Video: Can Alex talk about Jonjo if he was coached by a manager like Bielsa. If Bielsa was coaching jonjo would he move him to center back? Would he just sell him? Really enjoyed the video
The addition of Alex’s notes in the intro is nice
3:24 audio engineer fell asleep on the knob haha
Didn't tammy Abraham get an England cap while playing for swansea?
This was surprisingly interesting, thank you guys for some excellent insight!
Man City still in fear. They're trying to sign Harry so desperately
Joe had me cracking up in this one. Love it!
The huge shining noggin for once. Your eyes are drawn to it, then the brightness forces you to look away.
My dads mate did his bedroom and kitchen and said his house is a shithole and his bedroom was covered in beer bottles/cans in the middle of the day in the middle of the week.
That's mental
I don't
Shelvey is better than what most people think. This guy who is listening must be a kid who has started watching football only few years.
Shelvey is a talent slowly fading away.
This is my favourite Tifo IRL video 😂😂😂😂 funny af
you can add this to the list of thing i didnt expect at all in any way shape or form
Cause Harry Potter is coming for him
Kinda sounds like Jonjo Shelvy is a poor man's Granit Xhaka.
Yo then his transfer value would be negative
Was the music jumping up while he was talking about him being capped at Swansea a joke or accident? Had to listen a few times to hear him :(
Shelvey has been poor for the last two seasons. He's always looked unenthusiastic but he's just been painfully inconsistent, generally attempting one hollywood ball ever 15 minutes and not often succeeding any more. His shooting has been painful- I wish he just didn't bother.
I used to really like him as a player for us, he was the one talented passer we usually had but he's not really pulled those passes off in the last two years very often and agree he was underrated. He doesn't look fit for a lot of the time- this idea he "Sits back" is out of necessity as well as choice. It means players like Willock and Sean Longstaff (also a poor last season) have/ should be getting forward into the box even thought Fiona plays this ludicrous formation.
Very talented but I feel his career is ebbing away- partly because of Bruce of course. The way he plays is likely a little _flattering_ in terms of statistics but I don't feel many Newcastle fans would currently rate him as highly as touted here.
I don’t think they’ve ever seen jonjo play live, even his quarterback passes are so pedestrian, telegraphed and slow
I’m a Newcastle fan and I don’t care about Shelvey, other than waiting for the date he leaves the club. Lazy and rubbish.
He's supposed to be Gerard's understudy at Liverpool. If not for those two foot tackles...
NEXT : Why Should I Care About Ibrahim Sangare?
Care-o-meter 📉📉
"what can I do"
"say more things"
🤣
Do more of these. Love this. The more controversial the better.
Thanks.
The care-o-meter should’ve been called the jonj-o-meter
Jonjo is one of the best English midfielders of his time. I will die on this hill. He is a quality player and the lazy accusation is pathetic! Looking at this after Bruce has left and how he’s played under Howe is also really interesting.
Also, it’s funny how people praise JWP who is a poor man’s Jonjo but slack off Jonjo
Jonjo's stand allows him to play pin-point precise long-range passes, but he must touch an opponent with both his feet simultaneously within 60 seconds of said pass, or he will lose more hair from his body.
Great video!!
I just love the juxtaposition of extremely intelligent against can't be bothered.
I care about Shelvey because I’m pathologically incapable of not following the careers of ex Charlton youth team graduates
Always rated him, always thought he has posessed something not many england players have, always been laughed at
A player who really bugs me. All the accuracy in the world but he's the most honest player with the ball. Everyone in the stadium can tell exactly what pass he'll play a second in advance because he telegraphs them so much. He can sail a beautiful pass 40 yards down the wing but because he makes it so obvious the defence will be all over whoever recieves it by the time the ball lands.