Teams look at stats, stats tell them that more goals have happened when the defending team had players on posts, teams don't put players on posts anymore. Having players on the goal line means that you're canceling the risk of being offside for the attacking team after a deflection. It also limits the potential for a counter attack because of a higher density of players in their own box.
Having watched Celtic last season, I don't know how many goals we conceded due to not having a man on the back post. It almost seemed like every single game. Sometimes all the data in the world doesn't come close to common sense.
One thing that annoys me sbout Commentators is when they say the wrong player is marking a taller player If you have a shorter team you cant mark every tall player, there will always be mismatches and nothing can be done
@@rohannaval1621 If you do that as the shorter team, most of your players will be shorter than the man they're marking. Whereas if you put one short guy on one tall guy, then you create more situations where your team has a height advantage because your tallest player is marking their second tallest player etc.
Everything commentators say is annoying. They are clueless and trot out all the same tired cliches. My favourite being "not enough quality in the final third" or "he should have done better there".
Out-swingers vs in-swingers. I read a book about the same people that did the stats based sporting thing with Billy Beane in that Brad Pitt movie. The same guys told Mancini at Man City at the time, that in-swinging corners are by far the most likely to score a goal. Mancini looked at them and just said "No. I don't care about stats. I just KNOW out-swingers are better" Why? Because out-swingers when they connect with a header it looks crisp and awesome and in-swingers look scruffy. BUT those scruffy goals are scored WAY more. Mancini was totally wrong. He was just biased as a player who liked to head out-swingers.
This has to be one of the best football analysis channel not just because of the personality of the analyst but by also giving the feeling that everything can be made fun ( loved the post drawing ) BEST CHANNEL !!!!!
The jumper: a refreshing change...not saying the plethora of different shirts was a bad thing, oh no; but it's different. I like different. More to the point, isn't Kalajdzic's advantage that he's several thousand feet tall, which defies many-a- clever setup?
When it mattered most....Gareth Southgate showed his ineptness in utilising a strong England bench of fresh legs during the final third of the game... he's been found out.We will never win a tournament....we don't have the raw hunger for it.
Data may show that more goals have supposedly been saved with no players on posts, but just about every match day there is at least 1-2 goals scored which would have more than likely been prevented by having players on posts. I’d rather know the the keeper has more protection, allowing him to leave his line or have them stop shots to each side of the goal than VAR or the linesman to bail me out from an offside flick on or deflected long shot.
I enjoyed this, as usual, but wondering if you can flip the orientation so it'd zoom in and just show one half of the field. It'd be easier to see all the players in the penalty box.
The real reason is that few teams attempt to score directly from the corner. The original reason was that teams were scared of this but now it isn't as much a threat as few even consider trying.
I've just watched Palace (with no one on the posts) concede a goal by allowing the best header in Liverpool's team a free header from a corner. So what were all these 'useful' spare players that weren't on the posts doing? They apparently had something more important to do than stopping a goal, like marking Van Dijk, but they didn't bother with this either. If there HAD been someone on the post, the header would have gone straight at him. Instead, the game is lost. Isn't your first sample proving you SHOULD have men on the posts? The attacker still gets the header in, despite the spare defenders, and it squeezes in at the far post, because there's no one there.
I have a tactical question and thought an unrelated Tifo video might be the best way to get an answer. All the 3 at the back in the Euros has had me thinking about the concept, and Pep is disdainful of numbers like 4-2-3-1 for formations as meaning anything. Does three at the back refer to just putting three players who are usually central defenders in the lineup and the choice and limitations that entails? How doe players like Christensen moving into midfield for Denmark play into this (is it still 'three at the back' because he's mostly a central defender? I guess he was doing central defence duties most of the time...). I hope that made sense?
So he said not having players on the post also helps with catching attacking players offside for a possible secondary delivery. I agree, but there is a way to have players on the line and still catch attackers offside, for one second when that secondary ball is hit, the post player who assumably is standing on the line, takes one step back and stands INSIDE THE GOAL, only for the moment the secondary ball is hit and then comes back on the line again. By being inside the goal, passed the goal line, the player would be technically out of bounds of the pitch and his presence won't make anyone onside, and he has also maintained his line-watching duty.
That is not correct. From Law 11 (IFAB's words): "A defending player who leaves the field of play without the referee's permission shall be considered to be on the goal line or touchline for the purposes of offside until the next stoppage in play or until the defending team has played the ball towards the halfway line and it is outside its penalty area." He's considered to be on the goal line if he steps into the goal. His actions would not have your intended effect.
Missing the offside threat is not ad valuable as having players guarding the post. Mostly zonal marking works better, especially when teams inexplicably overuse outswingers.
I play for a rather not very good team and we basically put either me or the tallest guy on the pitch in front of the goalie and pray something works out. We won our first game 1-0 from a direct corner goal
England put Harry Kane at the front post, and when the ball went pass him, he moved into the back post to cover it. What happens? A loose ball falls infront of Bonucci and Harry Kane, no surprise that England concede. Had they put a proper defender or a full back at the post, that loose ball would have been contested by the English defender, making it harder for Bonucci to score and England would have likely won the Euro finals.
My view about being on the post is who? If they are tall enough then they should be fighting to head the ball out, typically at the near post that could be a central striker if he's quite tall. If you put a short midfield player on the post that's obviously not going to be effective and wingbacks I would prefer to mark the strikers rather than guard the post. You also giveup the offside rule and limit counter attacks as other have said.
That's two players who aren't actively defending the corner kick as it comes in or as it gets knocked around in the box before being cleared. You don't get "smaller goal" for free.
JJ have you ever tried writing your ideas down before posting them here? Because time after time your explanations simply amount to confused blabbering. I keep getting the notifications, and I keep coming to watch this content because of the excellent stuff that Alex posts on the main channel, and every time it's a disappointment. You have amazing understanding and insight into the game, why not put a bit more effort into the delivery then?
He is doing what a lot of people with that mind do: acknowledging the counter argument. The problem is with guys like him (and I am kind of like this), they are constantly aware of the counter argument and feel they should acknowledge almost constantly so as to, I guess, retain credibility throughout the explanation. Football is a game of countering the counter that itself was a counter to begin with. JJ in these more linear, black or white, x or y, posts is simply finding a balance between forcing home the point whilst sufficiently addressing the micro-details that the contrarian point could snag against. If one pays attention closely throughout the entirety of this piece (aurally and visually) and especially to his tweaking of the player markers, this post is actually quite clear. In my opinion.
These guys always have answers for questions you didn't know you had
Yep
Omg I totally agree
@@andrealavolpe8279 wth u r replying to ur own comment lol
@@GM-kj7sy idk i'm dumb lol
andrea is probably high on something
Gonna miss the 80’s euro intro tune after the tournament
Teams look at stats, stats tell them that more goals have happened when the defending team had players on posts, teams don't put players on posts anymore.
Having players on the goal line means that you're canceling the risk of being offside for the attacking team after a deflection. It also limits the potential for a counter attack because of a higher density of players in their own box.
Wonderful analysis ✔️
Corners don't have offsides
@@markcapili4859 flick ons do
@@markcapili4859 "After a deflection"
Having watched Celtic last season, I don't know how many goals we conceded due to not having a man on the back post. It almost seemed like every single game. Sometimes all the data in the world doesn't come close to common sense.
One thing that annoys me sbout Commentators is when they say the wrong player is marking a taller player
If you have a shorter team you cant mark every tall player, there will always be mismatches and nothing can be done
No they're right in that the tallest players should mark the tallest etc
@@rohannaval1621 If you do that as the shorter team, most of your players will be shorter than the man they're marking. Whereas if you put one short guy on one tall guy, then you create more situations where your team has a height advantage because your tallest player is marking their second tallest player etc.
Everything commentators say is annoying. They are clueless and trot out all the same tired cliches. My favourite being "not enough quality in the final third" or "he should have done better there".
@@Tomwithnonumbers nice. Never thought about it like that
@Jimbo Jimbo a name so nice you say it twice
At the start of the euros I never would've thought that Spain could reach the semi's, especially with Morata playing in every game
I did. I just like that Busquets and Pedri combo...
@@benhaney9629 yeah i already knew that Pedri was a good player but know I have the confermation that he's one of the best midfielders in the world
@@andrealavolpe8279 bit early for that
@@andrealavolpe8279 maybe not the best yet but certainly he can reach there
@@theonlyjoe_ Ok yeah touché perhaps I exaggerated
" you know the things youtubers do " starting to love this man
JJ is so chaotic I love it
JJ seems to have gotten so much more comfortable during these IRL videos in such a short period of time. Great job man, keep it up!
At some point we’ll evolve to putting 8 men across the goal and two laying down for a 20 second nap, and the goalie smashing it out
I absolutely love that you've been dissecting parts of the game that are evolving
I cannot tell you how long I've waited for someone to use these tactic touch screens as an excuse to draw a smiling stick man
"Have a lovely time" should be JJ's signature signoff from now on. Made me chuckle
Watching JJ drawing a smiling goalkeeper is the best highlight of Euro 2020
Because it decreases the xg, no xg no vibes!
Out-swingers vs in-swingers. I read a book about the same people that did the stats based sporting thing with Billy Beane in that Brad Pitt movie. The same guys told Mancini at Man City at the time, that in-swinging corners are by far the most likely to score a goal. Mancini looked at them and just said "No. I don't care about stats. I just KNOW out-swingers are better" Why? Because out-swingers when they connect with a header it looks crisp and awesome and in-swingers look scruffy. BUT those scruffy goals are scored WAY more. Mancini was totally wrong. He was just biased as a player who liked to head out-swingers.
Tifo Next video: why Lee Grant is Man Utd most Versataile player? 😂😂
My dad always talks about this, he thinks teams should always have two men on the posts
Everytime a Tifo IRL video with JJ is uploaded, it reminds me that he actually has a coaching badge.
It's for analysis like this one that Tifo is the best football channel on the web.
I’d love to learn pros/cons of inswinger and outswinger corners if you could take a look at that?
This has to be one of the best football analysis channel not just because of the personality of the analyst but by also giving the feeling that everything can be made fun ( loved the post drawing ) BEST CHANNEL !!!!!
The jumper: a refreshing change...not saying the plethora of different shirts was a bad thing, oh no; but it's different.
I like different.
More to the point, isn't Kalajdzic's advantage that he's several thousand feet tall, which defies many-a- clever setup?
Kalajdzic is very very tall, but he's actually bent over for the goal vs Italy, and heads it at about waist hight to the defenders.
I like how awkward this guy was. 🤔It was engaging even hough the cadence was somewhat unpredictable. Felt genuine 👌🏾💪🏾
When it mattered most....Gareth Southgate showed his ineptness in utilising a strong England bench of fresh legs during the final third of the game... he's been found out.We will never win a tournament....we don't have the raw hunger for it.
Data may show that more goals have supposedly been saved with no players on posts, but just about every match day there is at least 1-2 goals scored which would have more than likely been prevented by having players on posts.
I’d rather know the the keeper has more protection, allowing him to leave his line or have them stop shots to each side of the goal than VAR or the linesman to bail me out from an offside flick on or deflected long shot.
JJ i love it when you talk football it's so nice
I enjoyed this, as usual, but wondering if you can flip the orientation so it'd zoom in and just show one half of the field. It'd be easier to see all the players in the penalty box.
They rather have more men pulling attacking players from shirts.
Normal people: JJ gives some wonderful analysis of the pros and cons of having and not having men on the posts
Me: I like JJ's drawing
The real reason is that few teams attempt to score directly from the corner. The original reason was that teams were scared of this but now it isn't as much a threat as few even consider trying.
I've just watched Palace (with no one on the posts) concede a goal by allowing the best header in Liverpool's team a free header from a corner.
So what were all these 'useful' spare players that weren't on the posts doing? They apparently had something more important to do than stopping a goal, like marking Van Dijk, but they didn't bother with this either.
If there HAD been someone on the post, the header would have gone straight at him. Instead, the game is lost.
Isn't your first sample proving you SHOULD have men on the posts? The attacker still gets the header in, despite the spare defenders, and it squeezes in at the far post, because there's no one there.
I have a tactical question and thought an unrelated Tifo video might be the best way to get an answer. All the 3 at the back in the Euros has had me thinking about the concept, and Pep is disdainful of numbers like 4-2-3-1 for formations as meaning anything. Does three at the back refer to just putting three players who are usually central defenders in the lineup and the choice and limitations that entails? How doe players like Christensen moving into midfield for Denmark play into this (is it still 'three at the back' because he's mostly a central defender? I guess he was doing central defence duties most of the time...). I hope that made sense?
So he said not having players on the post also helps with catching attacking players offside for a possible secondary delivery. I agree, but there is a way to have players on the line and still catch attackers offside, for one second when that secondary ball is hit, the post player who assumably is standing on the line, takes one step back and stands INSIDE THE GOAL, only for the moment the secondary ball is hit and then comes back on the line again. By being inside the goal, passed the goal line, the player would be technically out of bounds of the pitch and his presence won't make anyone onside, and he has also maintained his line-watching duty.
That is not correct. From Law 11 (IFAB's words): "A defending player who leaves the field of play without the referee's permission shall be considered to be on the goal line or touchline for the purposes of offside until the next stoppage in play or until the defending team has played the ball towards the halfway line and it is outside its penalty area." He's considered to be on the goal line if he steps into the goal. His actions would not have your intended effect.
Does anyone know what program they use to draw the field.
this intro pumped me so hard up
What program do you Guys use for tactical Board?
The opening synths hit different with headphones
cool a new fm corner setup
You can see how heartbroken JJ is at Croatia vs Scotland
Me too, JJ, me too.
Great explanation
Came for the content. Stayed for the drawings
Missing the offside threat is not ad valuable as having players guarding the post. Mostly zonal marking works better, especially when teams inexplicably overuse outswingers.
What's the name of the introductory tune/music?
I play for a rather not very good team and we basically put either me or the tallest guy on the pitch in front of the goalie and pray something works out.
We won our first game 1-0 from a direct corner goal
England put Harry Kane at the front post, and when the ball went pass him, he moved into the back post to cover it.
What happens? A loose ball falls infront of Bonucci and Harry Kane, no surprise that England concede.
Had they put a proper defender or a full back at the post, that loose ball would have been contested by the English defender, making it harder for Bonucci to score and England would have likely won the Euro finals.
My view about being on the post is who? If they are tall enough then they should be fighting to head the ball out, typically at the near post that could be a central striker if he's quite tall. If you put a short midfield player on the post that's obviously not going to be effective and wingbacks I would prefer to mark the strikers rather than guard the post. You also giveup the offside rule and limit counter attacks as other have said.
i think chelsea do; either tammy or kai at the near post
Keep it up JJ
JJ BALZ
The Bullard 😳
More jj.Bull pls
Analysing this so some day they'll analyse me
Nice intro
With VAR I don't think players take the same risk being on the post for fear of playing people onside.
JJ's smile just lights up my day
Off sides too. The man on the post Is playing everyone on.
RJ should get man of the tournament just for that then 👀
Nick Pope only ever has to cover 1/3 of the goal ag Burley. Not even just on corners
never understood why teams dont put people on the posts anymore. It makes the goal smaller simple as that.
perhaps if you watch the video you'll find out
That's two players who aren't actively defending the corner kick as it comes in or as it gets knocked around in the box before being cleared. You don't get "smaller goal" for free.
Would help to show the play with video from the game, after explaining it.
Nice
Coz on FM it's bad. :)
why do tifo always have saucy music
"sassa kalichiz"
They're socially distancing
Maybe because nobody can kick a corner anymore...
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Have definitely seen teams having 2 players on either post, don't remember which game but I remember thinking "why do they have 2 players there?"
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JJ have you ever tried writing your ideas down before posting them here? Because time after time your explanations simply amount to confused blabbering. I keep getting the notifications, and I keep coming to watch this content because of the excellent stuff that Alex posts on the main channel, and every time it's a disappointment. You have amazing understanding and insight into the game, why not put a bit more effort into the delivery then?
He is doing what a lot of people with that mind do: acknowledging the counter argument. The problem is with guys like him (and I am kind of like this), they are constantly aware of the counter argument and feel they should acknowledge almost constantly so as to, I guess, retain credibility throughout the explanation. Football is a game of countering the counter that itself was a counter to begin with. JJ in these more linear, black or white, x or y, posts is simply finding a balance between forcing home the point whilst sufficiently addressing the micro-details that the contrarian point could snag against. If one pays attention closely throughout the entirety of this piece (aurally and visually) and especially to his tweaking of the player markers, this post is actually quite clear. In my opinion.
This.
@@mss11235 what a shout.