Konnan on: Dave Meltzer burying The Hurt Business coming into AEW
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KONNAN responds to DAVE MELTZER saying CODY RHODES is a bigger deal than JOHN CENA th-cam.com/video/LXj48x0sPcY/w-d-xo.html
It doesn’t matter how good and over you are, Tony will ruin you after the honeymoon is over
*you are
Like Swerve right? Storm? Moxley? Bryan?
Meltzer isn't entirely wrong. I mean this REALLY not doing much the silence the critics that accuse AEW of being a WWE rehash company.
You realize that everyone that has left AEW is now in WWE, right?
@@shawngreenidge3591Only Jade, Ethan Page & Lexis King are AEW originals the rest were WWE guys that returned to the company after AEW...
AEW is a feeder system for WWE. And wrestlers who have gone to AEW have come back to WWE hotter. I don't like AEW, but it's true.
@Tamelo_Boomin Punk isn't a WWE guy, Rollins isn't a WWE guy, Owens, Sami, Jacob Fatu , etc. Aren't WWE homegrown. Stop it. Companies pick up avaliable wrestlers it's a business.
@@lovelyminx6444 ROH was a feeding system for WWE whether u accept it or not, those guys become house hold names in WWE & because of WWE so by definition they are WWE guys...
Tony Kahn is going to bring them in with a big pop and then the next week theyll be wrestling lee moriaty and action andretti
Yeah start small then go for huge opportunities like someone else
@@Redlion444what you mean??
@@Former_Employee use potential to build duh!
Tony Khan is SO not racist that Hurt Business are ALREADY being booked into an angle with Swerve Strickland and Mercedes Mone.
Who said he was?
@@renafan3333 last night's Dynamite 🧨
and the black talents have black writers lmao
@@renafan3333You didn't get the joke? What does Swerve, Nana, Mone and The Hurt Business have in common? I'm not saying Tony is racist I'm just explaining the joke to you.
@@Hypno_BPM black writers does not mean anything in general, as WWE hired a black writer who could not tell the difference Booker T and Shelton apart and hired a black woman writer who did not even last 2 days on her new job because she was so ill prepared. The question is can the writer or writers, regardless of race, can help improve the talent in getting over with the fans and at the same time not write things based on anti-black troupes.
Lashley is literally the only wrestler available who can help Wardlow regain the heat he lost thanks to Tony Khan.
Just book Lashley to squash Danielson and go on a long reign of terror to the point where people cry out for somebody to step up and stop Bobby and The Hurt Syndicate and boom , that is where you book Wardlow vs Lashley.
He will be in competitive bouts against Cassidy
Ok but then asoon as that fued ends he'll lose the heat immediately just like a few years ago after he was white hot during his mjf fued. He was the most over guy in wrestling at that time and tony fumbled it
@@President_Shindoubt he’ll agree to that
What about hobbs?
If Wardlow was over, he'd be the guy I'd have that Ospreay dude fueding.
Well maybe those guys can help out Hobbs because Don Callis sure as Hell isn't doing anything even though Hobbs is hurt
@@rondoughhowell6442That's not how it works buddy. I don't think it's Don's fault how somebody gets pushed. You need to lay that blame on Tony Khan.
why Hobbs?
@@Close-mindedenemies the fault is with Tony's writing and planning.
@@Close-mindedenemies well I don't think that Don wants to Manage him anyways Buddy especially when plenty of his friends are in AEW
@@EyeOfTheWatcher What do you think
WWE had a GOLDMINE in waiting with The Hurt Business. Vince dropping that faction right as fans were allowed to start attending shows again is something really weird but the problem is, if you think Tony Khan is going to use them any better than you may be as dumb as Tony Khan is.
Facts, both shows show the same type of wrestlers, small, neck bearded, unappealing, wrestles the same as everyone else gymnasts. Hb talked to that neglected black fan that only the only representation they had was Ron truth buffoonery
That mine ran dry years ago. No one is interested in elderly factions that had no heat.
@@patrickwilliams7582 Bobby was/is too well liked. They really should've capitalized on Bobby meeting Carmelo and do more with the Profits minus that horrible Pride name
@royalty843 well liked doesnt put butts in seats. Doesn't sell merch. Doesn't moves ratings. Keep washing those elderly balls.
@@UnsilencedOutspokenTikTokHow is The Pride a bad name
Veterans are great to have around if you use them correctly.
The thing I'd AEW doesn't, because AEW doesn't have the storytelling almost needed to make it work. It's all workrate.
So when they bring older guys, it's not with a plan to tell stories...so you end up with older guys on the card for the sake of it. And if it's going to be just for the sake of it, I rather younger guys.
At least you admit it.
Why are people surprised that Tony is signing more 50 year old ex WWE guys? It's what he does.
Who was the last? Edge a year ago? How far back after that?
He could sign more guys like Jay White, Will Osprey and Okada who haven't help with ratings at all
and WWE develop all their own talent right lol ? Its not like they buy them from other Indy fed's to compete in NXT and make it look they developed certain talent.
@@C280S Ratings for what? To get a better tv deal? Oh wait
Who cares if Lashley and Shelton are older . They still look great ! I thought Bobby was maybe 8 years younger til i heard he was 47 .
I am sure MVP would want at least one young person in his group, as he has down that with all of his groups before: Hurt Business, Beat Down Clan, and MLK.
MJF is not a draw
Literally no one ever said "I can't wait to buy the AEW PPV to see MJF !"
Whenever he is gone for a while people do say I can't wait for mjf to come back and then when he does it doesn't change anything
Wrestling triggers such bizarre uses of the term draw. I'd be concerned if someone told me they sit through an hours long ensemble show for one person. Especially the way many of them work today there's no guarantee everyone on the roster will even be on any given show.
@@TheOldMPClubexactly that's so dumb
I have purchased payperviews just to see his matches. Maybe I'm the only one but I do think he's a draw. I also try to keep up with what he's up to on TH-cam. I was also watching the show partly for him and some of the other people I like, but I haven't been watching now for about half a year to be honest.
I did/have
Great thumbnail 😂😂
Here's the storyline. MVP & Shelton. Then Lashley comes into the group. They try to recruit Swerve, but he turns them down. They beat on him, and Scorpio Sky comes to make the save. They have a tag match & Scorpio Sky turns on Swerve. Hobbs & Jay Lethal come out for the save & join up with Swerve.
Bro thats more long-term storytelling than AEW does in a year.
Why Scorpio Sky, Hobbs, and Jay? It sure seems like you are grouping all the black wrestlers together, even though they have no reason to be involved in anything related to MVP and Shelton.
Why does every member have to be black though?
@@hottakehylasadd in Jeff Jarrett then, you happy? 😂
@@EyeOfTheWatcher But an all-white faction of Moxley, Claudio, Pac & Marina Shafir is okay in your eyes?
WWE really messed up letting Bobby Lashley go. He should have been on Raw working with Gunther. There was way, way too much for Lashley left to do in WWE. Huge loss to that roster.
Lmao ain’t no huge loss pal
WWE has a lot of wrestlers who are so past their shelf life. It’s sad that WCW is gone. It was good when wrestlers had more good options for work. I just hope Hurt Business get a good story going and Bobby is protected in AEW
@@Dale-jr7ojno, it is a huge loss pal. Only a remedial who doesn't know anything about pro wrestling, would type nonsense like you just did.
Funny it’s no huge loss or he’s boring but why did they sign them?
@raysiva MVP seems like someone who isn't gonna say yes to some nonsense booking. Especially after calling out triple h for not using them
Ol' marble mouth Meltzer and Lyin' Alvarez taking a victory lap ala the evps, on a deal that got less than half what they reported, gave up steaming and ppv rights, the entire Aew library, and who knows how much money Tony's dad threw in is just too funny to me.
Ha.
I also hear that WBD has an opt out after year 1 😂
Definitely this “mega” deal was a L more than a win. I am certain ol shad had to cough up some cash so his son can keep his hobby alive
@gi79304 The more I look at the language of the contract, the more I think there is some self financing going on. WBD owns a % of Aew. But neither will say. And neither even commented on it. That's weird to me
@@HunterandTKpushjobbers exactly I was thinking the same. Alot of secrecy with this deal. Like I said the math isn’t matching
@gi79304 There's a lot that doesn't make sense. It's worded in the up to with financial terminology. You know what that means in sports. It means a quick opt-out, possibly because of concerns with consistency. At least when it's in regards to a non proven winner
Can’t wait for dubbalos to blame Vince when this falls flat again.
The thing I think is so hypocritical about this is that AEW fans claim they want an alternative to WWE so that there's more jobs for everybody, but then you have Dave saying that these guys don't deserve jobs because they're too old. If you have a bunch of kids on your roster and not enough veterans to help grow them up, then you're just an indie, and not even a super indie.
AEW really never was an alternative, it was just marketed as such.
how long until the next MVP vs Jericho backstage fight? I mean there's an election happening next month... that's not going to go well regardless of who wins.
No I don't think the fight because come on this other older guy from WWE in the back or in the company I have not had any problems with Jericho
@@Castillo19-i3p MVP has on at least 3 occasions with Jericho running to elevator once to get away, back and forth on social media, and Jericho getting knocked out on his own cruise by MVP allegedly.
They already are cool moron. Pay attention to social media. They set aside their differences on last weeks episode of Title Tuesday Dynamite. You should delete your comment frfr. You can even Google what I just said 💯💯💯💀😆
I can understand it to a point but whenever I hear about large muscular wrestlers like Bobby Lashley being brought in to AEW it doesn't make sense because the style suits smaller wrestlers better.
Indeed.
Old is good. Wwe is good. AEW is ok. We need old to teach young. Not young teaching young.
The young people there don’t want the older guys to teach them. Hangman made that clear
Meltzer also says I'm in the key demo
Half the roster is former WWE guys
I still think the biggest issue that kept the Hurt Business from being big in the WWE was they paired the wrong guys with Lashley to make it believable because Benjamin hadn’t been relevant in WWE for years and Alexander was a lower mid card guy at best MVP was fine because he was as really just the hype man and mouth piece
It doesn't matter if it's young guys or older guys if you're not using them.correctly or writing anything interesting for them to do. AEW is like watching a big budget indie show
Its not like Dave is lyin about Disco. Im mean hell didnt Cody Rhodes destroy disco as well cuz he ran his mouth too much as if he did something that matters
Triple K (H) didn’t want to book the hurt business and the fans want to see it me included so good for Tony capitalizing on it 💰
MJF is not a draw.
What do you mean?
Hes done all he can do there he has to go to the big leagues
The company that brags about leading 18-49. If you were the parents of an 8 year old,that is how old I was when I started watching. Would you want your kid to be watching people being thrown into barbwire,Moxley bleeding when someone sneezes and people saying the F word every 3 seconds?
No. That's why it's a product aimed at adults. The only adults who prefer WWE appear to have learning difficulties to me
has AEW had more factions that WWE? I mean this is insane.
Factions are good though. It's always worked well in Japan. What's your problem
@@hottakehylas it's never worked for AEW. They keep doing the exact same angle over and over again. It's killing their audience.
I think this idea would be awesome, if Tony Clown books them being as dominant as they look on paper, then they could be like The Power Trip back in 2001. But after I saw how he buried Wussev or Brian Cage, I don't believe he will do much with these ...
Why’s Dave scared of disco
Cause he knows disco is going to tell him straight facts
He's not
Dave isn't happy that a faction bigger and more popular than The Elite is coming into the company? Truly shocking.
Although Tony has already kooked this with the slow drip so it doesn't matter.
Meltzer is right. AEW has so many young guys not being used at all, how's about create some ORIGINAL STARS instead of signing more ex-WWE guys?
Bro you're on using the young guy won't really help at all because they're not going to Mike and not getting a ring and only thing they're going to do is just show how terrible the show is
It doesn't matter how many young guys do you use on the show but they don't know how to cut a promo or even wrestling they make the show terrible because they have no experience I'd rather take an old guy with more experience than somebody who just started
If AEW is going to continue to hire ex-WWE stars, then those stars should be used to help create original stars\improve home grown talent.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher to be honest that's what some of the guys are doing but most the young guys dont brother to work with the experienced guy
Meltzer fears Disco!
They have only had a couple of vignettes about this but so far it is the most entertaining thing AEW has done in a while. MVP and Shelton Benjamin look legit.
Tony Khan is more going to make it his life's mission to sign Cedric Alexander. He will lose sleep at night and everything he can to bring massive mega-draw Alexander into AEW instead of... you know... BUILDING UP ANY BIG MATCHES.
He just recently re-signed for multiple years but I hear what you're saying about TK's mindset
Keeping it 50.
Ha.
Wwe gave up all the older talent that were injury prone or washed up. Christian, edge, Bryan danielson, sting, etc and they kept the old guys that can still go McIntyre, Rollins, Orton etc. old guys are important but you need the right old guys
KEEP IT 💯
It’s gonna be The Hurt Syndicate or The Pain Business lol
which both are bad names, in my opinion, and when they are going to let Nana actual verbally fight back because he is looking like a chump. It seems like AEW is having Nana play a water down version of his ROH character from back in the day. Nana of old would be cracking jokes about MVP being convict and Shelton lack of promos skills.
Nick Wayne should be a ref! 😂
I just want Lashley to stop smiling and sounding so nice. I should be afraid to bump into that guy and wary whenever he's on screen. But dude is like Forest Gump "😃".
Lashley is too nice of person and that bleeds through on camera. The way it worked in other groups with MVP is they let MVP heel it up and Lashley would interject when needed with short and simple serious message.
Miro needs to come back and get over on Lashley
Tony Khan will just bury them too. Again Tony Khan is the problem.
I want to see Shelton sort of reinvent himself . From high flyer to a ground and pound wrestler . Id love for his new finisher to be a submission move his BFF Brock Lesnar used in late 2003 which was referred to as the" Brock Lock " .
Still think he should be using as middle name James and referring to himself on AEW as James Benjamin.
Anything to set him apart from his WWE stint.
High flyer? You're thinking Ricochet.
The one and only time to agree with Dave....trying recreate the hurt business you know will fail cause it's AEW just look at the majority of released or free agent wwe starts that went...had great and hot starts then disappear or involved in some uninteresting shit...smh
I Expect Tony to kill Bobby by having him do a job for Moxley and have Shelton job for Okada as Perry beats up MVP.
AEW/Tony Khan would find a way to make 1998 Austin, 1987 Hogan and 2000 Rock boring.
Punk is constantly at NXT giving young talent advice which TK should've taken advantage of but look what happened... Punk has been constantly injured at AEW...punk has been injured maybe 2x at WWE since his return, at best, and has been in the top 3 hottest storylines, STILL selling merch,
Just wait til Joe Hendry comes along fully. AEW will be on panic mode signing anyone who could even come close
Punk is there to change a narrative. Like Bobby said wwe is racist but they look sloppy trying to clean things up
@@Redlion444 WWE has been borderline racist for decades. Honestly we all saw the downfall when Bobby was paired with the street profits. The only mistake honestly was them(the pride) lose out to The Final Testament(who's not been booked well at all.
@@UnsilencedOutspokenTikTok 😂😂😂😂😂 more like all in like aew 😃. It took aew 5 yrs to break all of these companies molds and still killing it. They took a chance on someone who you, his haters and wwe thought he was trash but he became a aew champion. They took Athena and booked her to be til he longest reigning roh woman’s champion
@@UnsilencedOutspokenTikTok now just to talk about Walmart the wwe dropoed for trash liv Morgan or boring ass Gunther 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅. So I ask a question, why? Why has all blk talent on the main roster being held back? Nxt is the minor leagues so trick and mello along with obi having a belt is lackluster. Like a participation trophy. Wwe has shown its colors too many times and we are sick of it. A boycott is happening that’s why triple k went down to nxt for photo ops. Trying to crush a narrative he relives every day. Last what organization did blk face not once not just triple k either. Go do so research then ask yourself if you were me, a blk man would you support that in which hates you
@@Redlion444 Swerve deserved to be the first black aew world champ but after he won, how'd TK wanted him to celebrate, let's honor him on the C show but have a match on the A show vs everyone else who got their celebration segment on their A show following their PPV title win
Yeah younger guys are really drawing, lol.
Older wrestlers at least have credibility that the younger guys can benefit from.
The old guys that are going to AEW are not there to teach anything because many of the AEW wrestlers have not used the previous okder talent to hine their craft. It probably isnt gonna change. Just get in there and make the money and get out.
Young fans will gravitate to story lines, they haven’t developed a critical eye, yet. They don’t really know good wrestling from better wrestling, it will be production that draws them.
Most of NXT is young guys…so by Dave’s logic..NXT should be highest in young viewership
I must be part of the minority here, because when I was young, I didn’t give a fuck at all about storylines. I watched WCW to watch Rey and Kidman do cool shit, and WWF for the Hardy Boyz. The only top guys I thought were cool when I was a kid were Sting and Goldberg. Neither of which talked lol.
I got bored quickly by the same flippy stuff from Kidman, Rey or The Hardyz. I only found it interesting when it was relevant in a storyline like when Kidman broke Chavo's head with a botched Shooting Star Press and then being afraid to do it and found back his courage destroying London with it. Stuff like that. And I always hated too long matches, especially one after another with no short ones in between.
@@SpongeBob_SchwachKopf I think that was too late for me. I stopped watching for a long time around 2003ish
But Melzter is kinda right though... Disco in the grand scheme of things is a nobody, that was pushed by WCW and then after WCW fell off the face of the earth and kind of made the NWO a big joke... Dave prob respects Konnan because his been there, done that, had downs , come back and worked in several organizations, promoted Lucha talent and now is an authority figure in his own right. What Disco is like outside the business, I have no idea.
I remember Disco almost mocking Meltzer's career at certain points. Meltzer is properly saying, "Who the fuck is you?" and looking at seniority in terms of the wrestling business, where Konnan would be allowed to makes comments like that and Disco wouldn't. Whether or not you like or agree with Dave is another thing, but his probably expecting to be treated as active talent, 'with respect' , which Konnan does. He prob looks at Fans on twitter as non active and see's Disco as disrespectful active talent.
Just sayin...could be the reason.
How can they disagree that MJF isn't draw? What money or new viewership has he drawn to AEW? None.
I would love one of the hurt business guy's to walk up and lay the hurt on meltzer then walk over to Tony Khan and tell him I just had to lay the hurt on your but buddy for talking crap😅😅
Half of AEWs roster is ex-WWE castaways
BOOʻOOM!!! In you AEW HATERS Face
Young adults don’t watch wrestling. WWE draws in the Wal-Mart crowd.
Fk’n aew can’t even draw in the dollar tree crowd shut tf up
i'm too hyped for this click bait tho.. ya acting like you ain't gonna watch that prince Nana
Dave Meltzer burying THB? Dave Meltzer Loves Burying a good 90% of Black Talent it pisses me off..
who else has he done this with?
@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL i want to say he done this to Swerve, Booker T, Lio Rush, THB, Keith Lee.
Im actually pretty excited about the Hurt Business being in AEW. These are legit wrestlers. I also like that they didnt rush debuting them.
when they talk about him to get views🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Never thought I would say this but all AEW does is sign old WWE guys. People be hype about MVP like he about to cook now bro dude like 50 he gonna go cook his old ass home. They are good back stage me being in my 30’s ain’t trying to see these dudes when I was kid people getting hype like it’s 20 years ago I don’t get it
AEW is the new WCW. Tony Khan ex WWE wrestlers some are older. However you have a gang of wrestlers in the backstage and you don't want to make them Stars. AEW is wasting money and wasting time
Dave doesn't like it because they aren't small and flippy
Shelton not flippy???
Who’s Lashley gonna wrestle in AEW’s roster of small wrestlers? In no time he will be putting over Orange Cassidy and Wheeler Yuta. Just last week Tony Shillvane was practically malting in his pants over how tall Kyle Fletcher is at 6’4” lol. Another waster of time, on this case talent ( not the case on most of Kokekhan’s signings) and time
It would be good to have experienced talent if the younger talent was smart enough to actually listen to advice…so maybe that’s what Dave meant LOL
But we know that a number of the younger talent is not going to listen, as stated by Arn Anderson, Billy Gun, and alot of the old timers in positions in AEW.
Just what aew needs,some new additions instead of using the ones they already have properly 🤡,at this point it's just becoming silly
bro is uncle dave gonna realize that his favorite isnt rainbows and unicorns like i am fan but the show is trash now
That stable is completely unrelatable.
It deeps on who they are targeting, as even Eric Bischoff and one of the people that was booking for TNA stated that there was fans that watch their promotions that would not turn up for shows. They would run into these segments of fans at airports and public places, but neither really went into trying to figure out what was keeping them away. I think the new group should of not have started out in AEW, but created and build themselves in the indies (while being on AEW contract secretly). People tend to forget or just don't know that the Hurt Business was design in part by taking from the Black Men in suits movement, which made it relatable for some people.
Konnan makes a lot of sense in the end there. Meltzer will 100% stutter when asked that.
Sorry but these past months WWE has gone better storyline repeat story lines an angle that are just perfect the other company all he does is just make random matches like if I was playing a video game just picking random guys versus random guys AEW like street fighters or marvel vs Capcom just random matches for no reason
Disagree with Dave. Prefer older wrestlers. Name value. Discos right its all about storylines.
Meltzer fears Dicso.
Ha.
Shelton and Lashley should dominate AEW. Destroy the Bucks, win the tag championships then capture the TNT and AEW Championships.
This is going to trigger so many "aew treats black wrestlers better" talking points until khan gets bored with these guys too
Tony has shown he can not book any talent long term and any success is based on talent over coming his bad booking, but still wrestlers end becoming less over.
What a Beta move by Meltzer. If he won’t go on the show because Disco is on it, don’t have him on.
dave meltzer is the only personw ith the common enset to know anything about the wretling busienss. He doens't need to wate time tsking to you, he will learn nothing frmo it.
You are getting more and more unhinged by the day.
@@Mistertbonesthis guy is legitimately insane
@@BrendanFinnagin So true.
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