This video had been recorded before i started using my green screen :P Anyways what are your thoughts on linux gaming and its future with anticheat? Also i say wine wayland will come in proton 10, it probably wont, maybe later in 2025 it will as its getting close to being ready for almost anything
@@linuxnext Id say a couple years. Maybe less if the steam deck has a huge increase in popularity now that it's expanding to other places. But we can only hope for now.
Linux has always adapted to the hurdles of modern day gaming. Anticheat is just another bump in the road that some nerd, not myself, and I say that with the utmost respect, will figure out a way to unify Fairplay across operating ecosystems. As it sits right now I cannot condone kernel-level Anticheat because if you really take a second to think about it... DMA cheats do what exactly? Direct Memory Access - cheats. Pretty self-explanatory. Kernel-level Anticheat does the same with having Direct Memory Access to fight said cheats. Neither of which should be allowed as it is a violation of our privacy and rights. Having said that there are some who will point the finger and say "you're just saying that because you want to be allowed to cheat on linux". Let me just say cheats are still raging on windows without us linux "hackers". I wanna see a video of someone rage hacking in apex legends on a steam deck.
@@linuxnext Only as long as it takes for consumers to stop supporting companies that support them. If you reward a dog for bad behavior it will continue the bad behavior, the issue isn't the dog it's the trainer. Keep throwing money at companies that have bad behavior and they won't change. The issue isn't the companies it's the consumer.
As game developer, the future will no longer a "fight" between Windows and Linux players but a "fight" between Developers/Publisher who want to respect their players or not. I already use Linux since so many years ago and "Linux really is the future of gaming" - Gabe Newell, 2013 at LinuxCon
Here is the link of the video of where this quote is from i think :P Great video explaining the some pain points valve has dealt with and improving linux even back in 2013 lol th-cam.com/video/yeCuasjxsWk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kLLlcVe7WoNbr_vh
Not to mention making a game linux compatible all you have to do is export/compile it to a x86_64 format. At least with the engine I use, I can do Android, Windows, and Linux versions without any extra effort
Then you combine it with steams sniper runtime and it should work across every major distro as it will use debian depends on that runtime to make it so it's stable :) You could also put it on flathub and use their runtimes so it works across every single distro :)
@@theduckysmallz can you tell me what engine you are using. Im curious cause i wanted to make a game myself but don't know where to start i heard godot is quite good for various reasones but i'm open for something else as well especially since making game on Android is pain i heard and being able to easly compile game on it would be awesome. (The reasone why Android cause i would like to start with something small and Simple to see if im gonna even like the process of making a game before commiting for my dream shooter which is a big idea and probably time consuming of course with native support for Linux.) PS i kinda opened myself sorry for unnecessary long comment 🥺
love valve, i think they love linux. but they are NOT going to knee cap themselves for it. that would cause waaay too much backlash from both game publishers who probably have their own launcher to sell the game from and angry players who also get the hit from the choice.
I hate the direction anti-cheat software is going. Like anybody else, I don't like to play a competitive game against cheaters, but I'd rather have that temporary frustration. Either way, I have been playing games without or with light anti-cheat and they are more than enough for me. Nothing will bring me back to windows.
yeah the finals has cheaters and it only happens every couple of days or so, sometimes i see a cheater once a day but id take that any day then a kernel level anticheat that will probs do near the same thing or a bit better for way more intrusiveness. These cheaters im meeting are on asia and in closed beta, open beta, and release of the game there were so many cheaters until embark locked in and started to improve their own server side anticheat where rlly the only thing a cheater can do now on the finals is esp, and some light aimbot when before they could do just about anything
@@linuxnext Is there a list some where that has MMO games that support Linux? One game I play is Tanki Online MMO with Firefox; they only use anti-cheat during a competition tourney; but seems to work quite fine. I really don't like downloading like 40-100 Gig games to find out all there is bots to play; Counter Strike 2 is so boring.
@@cybernit3 Before I download anything, I always check ProtonDB first. I have played Phantasy Star Online 2 NGS for a while and it works better on Linux than on windows. However you have to put in some work tinkering or else it's practically a slideshow. Thanks to ProtonDB Comments I found out how to do it.
oh boy I just saw that they apparently switched to a kernel level anti cheat called Wellbia, but on ProtonDB I haven't seen people say that they encountered any issues... generally speaking it seems to work for people better than ever before? I mean... previously they used nProtect and yea it was a big surprise to see that I could get the game to run. Don't know exactly what Proton does under the hood to make it work. I'm just genuinely impressed and appreciative of all the devs putting in the effort.
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I just don't play anything with competitive online multiplayer these days. The rampant cheating makes it deeply unattractive to me, so I've lost nothing as a Linux user.
Yeah, I wad thinking this. I think it was the latest battlefield installment that became very often unplayable, and that's on windows. It's a cat and mouse and the cat needs to come up with better ideas, or public online MP for certain genres will simply be a thing of the past
valve should put option to click why you wont buy a game and choosing not linux compatible being one of them. After switching to linux i dont care how good a game is anymore if it has anticheat and wont run. Only game i would ever install windows to play at this point would be gta 6 if it doesn't work in linux which i really hope it does but with recent gt5 changes. It looks grim
when it comes to single player you'll be fine as you can use the steamdeck variable in the launch command but with multiplayer on gta6 thats something that probs wont happen but who knows valve may convince them or something(hopium)
True! Every game with scummy anti cheat on kernel level, messy launchers or incompatibility backed in just for sake of siding with Microsoft, are just anti consumer practices and deserve to be boycotted. At least, I won't support those things with my money.
Some games I play are Windows only, so dualboot is the only option for me unfortunately. I haven't even been using my Linux partition for gaming though, because my controller (Gamesir Nova Lite) doesn't work properly. But if I want to work or do non-gaming stuff, I boot into Linux
@@gtPacheko have you tried using the xpadneo driver? github.com/atar-axis/xpadneo It says it supports the GameSir T4 Nova Lite Family, is that the same controller or is it different?
I really do enjoy gaming on Linux. Haven't had any issues in over a month. Works like it did on Windows. Some of my friends just started playing Marvel Rivals and I was pleasantly surprised to find even that works on Linux in Steam 😊.
A new Valve box aside, what are Android games code base? lang + arch - > compile. Once people realize Linux has fantastic latency, no Windows shenanigans, devs will head there. I switched to music making on Linux for said reason. These certain Games have become desperate and taken money for exclusive distro. Proton on Fedora works. Once Nvidia and devs get over Windows, Linux is accessible and easy to dev on. Windows is so ganked up. It's a matter of time.
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Valve should take a few percentages off their 30% cut for developers who go out of their way to make sure their games play well with Proton and have settings profiles for Valves hardware. That would give devs an extra monetary incentive, on top of having their games featured on SteamOS. For anti-cheat, maybe let devs use the new VAC system, if it's really as good as they say, or maybe Valve can make a kernel module that other anti-cheat software can utilise without having direct access to the kernel? Idk, I just hope they can work it out, and not at the expense of users privacy.
Yeah valve already does this with game sales, if you make a lot of sales that cut it down to 20% so they should do the same with Linux support so maybe 10%? Or 15%?
This would be bad for gamers as it would promote and encourage rootkit anticheats. It would also be very very bad for gaming on open software aka software that respects human rights.
@@googIesux That is the reality of client side anti cheat and it is not changing :/ I think games requiring anticheat and heavy DRM should stay on the console. Steam Deck can be that console as well. Make it optional.
I've preferred the idiom, "walking on broken glass" than doomed. The doomed feeling is coming from the frustration that its no longer the games themselves that make gaming impossible but "people and politics." The whole word of mouth doesn't really work when the games you wanna play with your friends just isn't viable. Personally you've come across as optimistic to the point it feels dismissive to the real frustrations (not fear) regarding Linux gaming in this video. I'd say the problem with Vanguard is, so long as it is somewhat successful, it doesn't really matter how good or better the VacNet 3.0 is, there will be big projects that prefer kernel-anti-cheats. Perhaps it is "doomed" for people who weren't already serious about daily driving Linux. People who don't like putting thought and effort towards using their computer and "just want it to be used the way I've liked to." Thanks for the video, cheers!
@@Operation-Overlord well even vanguard posted a X/twitter post about themselves leaving the kernel when windows implements their userspace solutions for drivers in windows, but yeah I agree, and that's why I said this could take a couple years to happen or even a decade for developers to convince everyone that kernel level isn't needed and there are better solutions to the issue Iv realised that there are a lot of people on this planet and lots of those users don't play multiplayer fps shooters, especially the older group of users in gaming, Linux gaming is a great choice for single player and some multiplayer gaming like on a steamdeck or soon steam os machines again maybe, it's why I'm rather optimistic as even tho we are seeing some studios deny Linux support or take it away, at the same time we are seeing steamdeck verified and some new multiplayer games support proton like marvel rivals recently work ootb It's a double edge sword and highly depends on the user and their friend groups, for me my friend group we only play a select few multiplayer games, and if one isn't able to play like because it's being blocked on Linux, we just play another game until it is supported Valve is the only one able to hold this together without them Linux gaming would be nothing in my opinion, if they can get gaming on Linux working extremely well then I believe they can get anticheat to be more compatible with what gaming studios want
If game servers were simply written to examine if an action performed was impossible the clients could never hack beyond the game rules and human abilities, you can't move a mouse at the speed of light, you can't press a key faster than the keyboard's switch and polling speed.
yeah it drives me nuts on how many games dont have the most basic of server side anti cheat, like a player hsouldnt be able to phase through walls or move at the speed of light or interact with or shoot at things they arent even looking at or have LOS to or have their aim magically teleport around. And then the game company procceds to put all of their resoruces in to kernel anti cheat that still fails to prevent these blatant cheats
in addition they could simply give us the ability to run and moderate our own communities, let us block toxic players from matchmaking and play how we want. they won't do this in the current market though because it's incompatible with live service enshittification.
probs because its expensive, but thats with everything, someone has to get the ball rolling so setting up server side anticheat becomes more affordable, its also devs or companies can be lazy and want the easiest way of setting up something even if it means that players get a worse experience
nicely done mate, thanks to steam and their backing i think it will continue to grow and if they nail anti cheat i think linux gaming is going to blow up
I was going to buy an Orange Pi Neo once it was available in the US, but the Lenovo Legion Go was on sale for the same price a few weeks ago. So, I just grabbed one and installed Bazzite on it.
I wonder why Waydroid has stalled in a beta version and dont seem to be improving which Distros can add it as Gaming Platform. Waydroid is like a Nox or BlueStacks in Windows. When ever Waydroid is available for install from the Linux App Store that be a huge Game changer.
looking at their github the last commits were 3 days ago on the mesa drivers for waydroid, they havent stalled by any means, people have lives also and they dont get paid to do this i dont think, looking at their contributions in donations also they dont get that much to make a full time thing they can do
Someone just needs to make a WISL windows-subsystem-for-linux. Just run a bare Windows NT kernel just so the anti-cheat kernel module can be loaded inside that VM. How hard would that be ? Or just make the Wine properly implement WinDDK API, unless the stupid anti-cheat is relying on the kernel structures, then you just run the entire Windows NT kernel inside a QEmu. Would anyone pay for that ? just leave a comment here.
I had the same problem, uninstall it and run this in terminal: sudo apt install steam-installer You can launch it like normal with this installer, fully add it to panel etc.
I think we're fine because things like league and apex make themselves out to be the center of all gaming culture when they really aren't, they're just very heavily marketed and pull good viewership
I think the Steam console would need to have support for anti-cheat beyond the user privileges if it's going to be able to play games like COD or Apex then devs would have to adopt it maybe. It won't fix cheaters but if they want to have games you couldn't play be playable on steam os
Even if it didn't the steam console is still gonna sell well and users will do the same thing of creating a dualboot like they do on the steamdeck sometimes
@@linuxnext I believe it will sell well too, I guess I am wondering if Valve is working on an in house anticheat specifically for their console or OS. The crazy thing is though, even though Ricochet anti-cheat runs at the kernal level, COD is still rampant with cheaters.
@n.m4497 wonder what else wine will try and add into the kernel🧐 By the way for anyone who doesn't know NTsync is the successor to fsync in wine, this basically is like how wine synchronises with windows software, fsync has some limitations for what it can do and to improve the last pieces codeweavers decided to try a new way in the kernel which solves everything and so NTsync was born This will further improve how well windows software and games run under wine and proton
Anticheat is a problem BUT literally not a problem for linux. What I mean is not having rootkits on linux is a plus, and not a real hindrance to stopping cheating itself; may even be part of the solution if it helps devs decide to do anticheat the correct way.
@@Rekkeni welp time to stare at this for the next couple of months :P gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome/-/merge_requests/166 They actually made some progress very very recently so it might be merged soon honestly lol Then it will be up to applications to support this
As sad as it is, the DMKS module is what anticheat makers are most likely to cooperate with, the other stuff doesn't interest them, they decide you go their way on windows, and got used to that, so they would want you to go their way on Linux as well
Literally the only thing linux needs for feature parity compared to an ideal windows, which atm doesn't exist as windows 11 is completely borked, is HDR. Literally everything else I can think of has already been implemented other than MAYBE multi monitor VRR, which isn't as important, in my opinion.
The colour management protocol is about to merge in Wayland so after that, it's up to the desktop environments to complete it then I think wine or proton need to implement it without using gamescope, for videos like mpv they need to fully implement it also instead of needing to use the terminal to get it working Maybe a year from now? Idk 🙃
As much as I hate to say it , dude , Linux is still not ready for gaming in the competitive scene at least... Games like League and Apex went KAC , CS is unplayable if not being played on FaceIT or ESEA, PUBG is dead... I mean, is gaming really saved outside of single player games and emulators? :/
@@underratedphonker6395 ok I don't think I said anything in this video about competitive scene on Linux, I know this but you also need to realise that's only a fraction of the gaming space, gaming isn't only just about competitive games and most people don't even know what ESEA, FACE IT etc even is, they just want to play games and for that Linux can be great for that if you know you wont be playing competitively in fps games, even so there are still options to play games at a competitive level even if you don't have access to things like face it etc, not every person wants or feels the need to become a competitive player I do hope valve solves this issue but for now Linux gaming is for a particular use case for gamers
@linuxnext I see. Didn't watch the video and got too fast to express an opinion. My bad, I would take a note. Either way, what about modding older titles? For some reason, I got a massive headache when trying to boot Prostreet Pepega edition for the first time on my Cachy laptop and it left me speechless. I couldn't understand why it was crashing while I followed the tutorial step by step. Several attempts later and it fixed itself and ran just fine? That's the problem I think is gonna be really hard to resolve...
that's only one corner of the niche that is competitive games for that matter; fighting games are excellent on linux and I've been getting super into Beyond All Reason lately. more people need to consider too how important it is to have a reliable rig that won't update under you and that has really good input latency.
my hitbox has worked without a hitch so far! oh also games like kof xiii which had really jank problems with things like high refresh rates are easier to hammer into a working state on linux ime granted I should mention for honesty that tekken 8 and sf6 have had a lot of performance issues for me under proton but I think they're mostly fixed now
me it still use both cause i have some issue like my gaming laptop hdmi doesnt work well on Linux so it is stuck in Windows and my other laptop i use both Windows and Linux due to Windows having less issues ... sadly (yeah both my laptop use Nvidia graphic card ... that probably why) for me i can play on Linux and play a anticheat then i play on my console but i still need Windows for school sadly ...
nvidia is improving this, its one of their top priorities to improve laptop support for their driver under wayland you can read here forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/wayland-support-for-the-565-release-series/312688 the one about laptops is called mux switching
uuuuh idk lol, they dont own flatpak and that would be very confusing with all of the runtimes that are already in flatpak. wine, dxvk and fsync are in proton so a user doesn't rlly need to worry about that
@linuxnext Just doing what you're doing: raising random, absurd questions and then negating them, even though they didn't need an answer. Why question a claim nobody made?
Well it's mostly about the anticheat situation and how a lot of people seem to think that Linux is crap and isn't gonna go anywhere because of many issues like anticheat, nvidia problems etc etc so I made video as to why it's not bad and there is gonna be continued support from many companies and projects, there have been a lot of concerns from many different forums of people questioning if Linux gaming is gonna continue to get worse with companies blocking Linux or taking back what they did before like apex for example You don't even need to click on the video as the title states that I don't think it's going anywhere but you clicked on it :) And many people have questioned these problems, idk what your on about ngl, you must live under a rock and looking at your GitHub you do a decent amount on GitHub related to Linux things so I think you should understand the issues that have been happening but you don't seem to lol
@@linuxnext Even if all multi player games are blocked would you consider that as dooming for the Linux gaming? It would be bad for sure (for some people) but dooming?
As always... if you exclusively Play multiplayer games with DRM/anticheats/spyware (you know things that capitalistic and greedy companioes employs) then stay on Windows... However if you play single player games from indie devs then Linux works flawlessly
when it comes to how many competitive games you can play yeah windows is better for that, but its not like you cant play competitive games, the finals, overwatch, marvel rivals, all halo games, all valve games, for me thats enough to satisfy me, and when apex was supported i got to masters and diamond multiple times, masters in overwatch 2, and top 1k on the finals all on linux so its not like you cant play competitively on linux
well its alright, my pikaos install has mucked up my parition 2 times now when doing updates, ill be doing my one month review on it as it hasnt been that fun for me
I tried, but the game I play the most, Gray Zone, is totally broken on Linux. It's just not worth the problems if you play a lot of games. Just my opinion.
Broken as in the anticheat doesn't have Linux enabled so the game simply won't work without it, it's more of you play every multiplayer game under the sun so yeah your not gonna have a fun time, Iv been playing games on Linux just fine for almost 3 years now and it's a breeze if you don't have a game that is actively trying to block Linux, valve works around the clock fixing problems so if you don't play a lot of fps titles there almost no issues you encounter which yes I know a lot of people play multiplayer games with anticheats and yes I wish game studios and valve could figure out a way of kernel level to work effectively even if Linux users don't like it
For all these clowsn claiming linix is so great, yet game developers don't want to bother working with linux because it is a small market. Linix will never be big. Funny how much money valva has blown to bribe programmers to get proton working.
🤡 Steam has improved a lot for Linux gaming, one important one is their runtimes which allows games to run on almost any distro without problems, it uses debian as it's base so the games remain stable, so developers now don't have an excuse for that, also the market share used to be under 1% 2 years ago, it's since grown so much so I don't think Linux is bad by any means, the major problems with Linux like depends hell with your apps breaking and games are gone, things like Flatpak solve that issue and have a nice gui store for the user, the only thing left rlly is anticheat and that's a fine excuse if you don't want your multiplayer game running under proton as it's in userspace
@@linuxnext Unfortunately there is no time and desire to learn a new game for yourself, dota is much more complex in its game mechanics, and in the league you already know everything, so there is no desire to dive into something new
This video had been recorded before i started using my green screen :P
Anyways what are your thoughts on linux gaming and its future with anticheat?
Also i say wine wayland will come in proton 10, it probably wont, maybe later in 2025 it will as its getting close to being ready for almost anything
If VAC or any other server side anticheat becomes the standard anti cheat for all games, it would make linux skyrocket in popularity.
@Kunorrii it's very possible yes :)
Just wonder how long adopting these solutions will take, probs years with companies like EA etc
@@linuxnext Id say a couple years. Maybe less if the steam deck has a huge increase in popularity now that it's expanding to other places. But we can only hope for now.
Linux has always adapted to the hurdles of modern day gaming. Anticheat is just another bump in the road that some nerd, not myself, and I say that with the utmost respect, will figure out a way to unify Fairplay across operating ecosystems. As it sits right now I cannot condone kernel-level Anticheat because if you really take a second to think about it... DMA cheats do what exactly? Direct Memory Access - cheats. Pretty self-explanatory. Kernel-level Anticheat does the same with having Direct Memory Access to fight said cheats. Neither of which should be allowed as it is a violation of our privacy and rights. Having said that there are some who will point the finger and say "you're just saying that because you want to be allowed to cheat on linux". Let me just say cheats are still raging on windows without us linux "hackers". I wanna see a video of someone rage hacking in apex legends on a steam deck.
@@linuxnext Only as long as it takes for consumers to stop supporting companies that support them. If you reward a dog for bad behavior it will continue the bad behavior, the issue isn't the dog it's the trainer. Keep throwing money at companies that have bad behavior and they won't change. The issue isn't the companies it's the consumer.
As game developer, the future will no longer a "fight" between Windows and Linux players but a "fight" between Developers/Publisher who want to respect their players or not.
I already use Linux since so many years ago and "Linux really is the future of gaming" - Gabe Newell, 2013 at LinuxCon
Here is the link of the video of where this quote is from i think :P
Great video explaining the some pain points valve has dealt with and improving linux even back in 2013 lol
th-cam.com/video/yeCuasjxsWk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kLLlcVe7WoNbr_vh
Not to mention making a game linux compatible all you have to do is export/compile it to a x86_64 format. At least with the engine I use, I can do Android, Windows, and Linux versions without any extra effort
Then you combine it with steams sniper runtime and it should work across every major distro as it will use debian depends on that runtime to make it so it's stable :)
You could also put it on flathub and use their runtimes so it works across every single distro :)
@@theduckysmallz can you tell me what engine you are using. Im curious cause i wanted to make a game myself but don't know where to start i heard godot is quite good for various reasones but i'm open for something else as well especially since making game on Android is pain i heard and being able to easly compile game on it would be awesome. (The reasone why Android cause i would like to start with something small and Simple to see if im gonna even like the process of making a game before commiting for my dream shooter which is a big idea and probably time consuming of course with native support for Linux.) PS i kinda opened myself sorry for unnecessary long comment 🥺
@erixIsOffline I use Godot. All you need to export to Android is the Android SDK and Java, which are easily found with a google search
valve should add a caluse that goes something like "banning players for using linux will get your game banned from our store, do not screw it up"
that or make it a requirement that your game runs well/ perfectly fine with WINE or they get percentages cut off.
Yeah but you also gain the risk of losing game studios from publishing their games on the store lol
love valve, i think they love linux. but they are NOT going to knee cap themselves for it.
that would cause waaay too much backlash from both game publishers who probably have their own launcher to sell the game from and angry players who also get the hit from the choice.
@@linuxnext they did left but came back crawling.
@@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755 yup most of the games in STEAM has their own Launchers like RAID, Lords, POE and so on in Windows
I hate the direction anti-cheat software is going.
Like anybody else, I don't like to play a competitive game against cheaters, but I'd rather have that temporary frustration.
Either way, I have been playing games without or with light anti-cheat and they are more than enough for me. Nothing will bring me back to windows.
yeah the finals has cheaters and it only happens every couple of days or so, sometimes i see a cheater once a day but id take that any day then a kernel level anticheat that will probs do near the same thing or a bit better for way more intrusiveness.
These cheaters im meeting are on asia and in closed beta, open beta, and release of the game there were so many cheaters until embark locked in and started to improve their own server side anticheat where rlly the only thing a cheater can do now on the finals is esp, and some light aimbot when before they could do just about anything
@@linuxnext Is there a list some where that has MMO games that support Linux? One game I play is Tanki Online MMO with Firefox; they only use anti-cheat during a competition tourney; but seems to work quite fine. I really don't like downloading like 40-100 Gig games to find out all there is bots to play; Counter Strike 2 is so boring.
@@cybernit3 Before I download anything, I always check ProtonDB first.
I have played Phantasy Star Online 2 NGS for a while and it works better on Linux than on windows. However you have to put in some work tinkering or else it's practically a slideshow. Thanks to ProtonDB Comments I found out how to do it.
oh boy I just saw that they apparently switched to a kernel level anti cheat called Wellbia, but on ProtonDB I haven't seen people say that they encountered any issues... generally speaking it seems to work for people better than ever before?
I mean... previously they used nProtect and yea it was a big surprise to see that I could get the game to run. Don't know exactly what Proton does under the hood to make it work. I'm just genuinely impressed and appreciative of all the devs putting in the effort.
@@cybernit3 areweanticheatyet.com/ I don't think there is a specific MMO game list but this is the closets you'll get to that list
If it does not run on Tux,
it does not deserve my bucks.
lol you made me laugh, good job
Agreed. That's my policy as well.
I'm stealing this. :D
I love it, we've got our own "no Mai no buy" now
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I just don't play anything with competitive online multiplayer these days. The rampant cheating makes it deeply unattractive to me, so I've lost nothing as a Linux user.
Yeah, I wad thinking this. I think it was the latest battlefield installment that became very often unplayable, and that's on windows. It's a cat and mouse and the cat needs to come up with better ideas, or public online MP for certain genres will simply be a thing of the past
If you pay attention Games are trending back towards single player. I think we're gonna be fine.
Also smaller multiplayer games don't have kernel anti cheat is just the big live services
@@jorge86rodriguezeven some bigger ones like CS2 and overwatch work perfectly fine in linux
@@edenem cause they are based
valve should put option to click why you wont buy a game and choosing not linux compatible being one of them. After switching to linux i dont care how good a game is anymore if it has anticheat and wont run. Only game i would ever install windows to play at this point would be gta 6 if it doesn't work in linux which i really hope it does but with recent gt5 changes. It looks grim
when it comes to single player you'll be fine as you can use the steamdeck variable in the launch command but with multiplayer on gta6 thats something that probs wont happen but who knows valve may convince them or something(hopium)
Linux helps refine your taste in gaming, because no game that insists on installing a rootkit in your system is worth playing.
@@HIDLad001 I am not gonna lie Linux is like going to therapy sometimes 😭
True! Every game with scummy anti cheat on kernel level, messy launchers or incompatibility backed in just for sake of siding with Microsoft, are just anti consumer practices and deserve to be boycotted. At least, I won't support those things with my money.
Linux cons: you can't play league of legends
Linux Pros: you can't play league of legends
Some games I play are Windows only, so dualboot is the only option for me unfortunately.
I haven't even been using my Linux partition for gaming though, because my controller (Gamesir Nova Lite) doesn't work properly.
But if I want to work or do non-gaming stuff, I boot into Linux
@@gtPacheko have you tried using the xpadneo driver?
github.com/atar-axis/xpadneo
It says it supports the GameSir T4 Nova Lite Family, is that the same controller or is it different?
I really do enjoy gaming on Linux. Haven't had any issues in over a month. Works like it did on Windows. Some of my friends just started playing Marvel Rivals and I was pleasantly surprised to find even that works on Linux in Steam 😊.
A new Valve box aside, what are Android games code base? lang + arch - > compile. Once people realize Linux has fantastic latency, no Windows shenanigans, devs will head there. I switched to music making on Linux for said reason. These certain Games have become desperate and taken money for exclusive distro. Proton on Fedora works. Once Nvidia and devs get over Windows, Linux is accessible and easy to dev on. Windows is so ganked up. It's a matter of time.
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Valve should take a few percentages off their 30% cut for developers who go out of their way to make sure their games play well with Proton and have settings profiles for Valves hardware.
That would give devs an extra monetary incentive, on top of having their games featured on SteamOS.
For anti-cheat, maybe let devs use the new VAC system, if it's really as good as they say, or maybe Valve can make a kernel module that other anti-cheat software can utilise without having direct access to the kernel?
Idk, I just hope they can work it out, and not at the expense of users privacy.
Yeah valve already does this with game sales, if you make a lot of sales that cut it down to 20% so they should do the same with Linux support so maybe 10%? Or 15%?
Valve NEEDS to release a trusted platform so anti cheat works even if it is only supported in their own signed builds. There is no way around it
I thought that platform was the steam deck? There are already some games that will only work on Linux kernels built by valve for the steam deck
@ not what I am talking about and it is a more technical discussion not meant for comments
@@Tracing0029 well what do you want to hear? Anti cheta development is very secretive
This would be bad for gamers as it would promote and encourage rootkit anticheats. It would also be very very bad for gaming on open software aka software that respects human rights.
@@googIesux That is the reality of client side anti cheat and it is not changing :/
I think games requiring anticheat and heavy DRM should stay on the console. Steam Deck can be that console as well. Make it optional.
I've preferred the idiom, "walking on broken glass" than doomed. The doomed feeling is coming from the frustration that its no longer the games themselves that make gaming impossible but "people and politics." The whole word of mouth doesn't really work when the games you wanna play with your friends just isn't viable.
Personally you've come across as optimistic to the point it feels dismissive to the real frustrations (not fear) regarding Linux gaming in this video. I'd say the problem with Vanguard is, so long as it is somewhat successful, it doesn't really matter how good or better the VacNet 3.0 is, there will be big projects that prefer kernel-anti-cheats.
Perhaps it is "doomed" for people who weren't already serious about daily driving Linux. People who don't like putting thought and effort towards using their computer and "just want it to be used the way I've liked to."
Thanks for the video, cheers!
@@Operation-Overlord well even vanguard posted a X/twitter post about themselves leaving the kernel when windows implements their userspace solutions for drivers in windows, but yeah I agree, and that's why I said this could take a couple years to happen or even a decade for developers to convince everyone that kernel level isn't needed and there are better solutions to the issue
Iv realised that there are a lot of people on this planet and lots of those users don't play multiplayer fps shooters, especially the older group of users in gaming, Linux gaming is a great choice for single player and some multiplayer gaming like on a steamdeck or soon steam os machines again maybe, it's why I'm rather optimistic as even tho we are seeing some studios deny Linux support or take it away, at the same time we are seeing steamdeck verified and some new multiplayer games support proton like marvel rivals recently work ootb
It's a double edge sword and highly depends on the user and their friend groups, for me my friend group we only play a select few multiplayer games, and if one isn't able to play like because it's being blocked on Linux, we just play another game until it is supported
Valve is the only one able to hold this together without them Linux gaming would be nothing in my opinion, if they can get gaming on Linux working extremely well then I believe they can get anticheat to be more compatible with what gaming studios want
If game servers were simply written to examine if an action performed was impossible the clients could never hack beyond the game rules and human abilities, you can't move a mouse at the speed of light, you can't press a key faster than the keyboard's switch and polling speed.
yeah it drives me nuts on how many games dont have the most basic of server side anti cheat, like a player hsouldnt be able to phase through walls or move at the speed of light or interact with or shoot at things they arent even looking at or have LOS to or have their aim magically teleport around. And then the game company procceds to put all of their resoruces in to kernel anti cheat that still fails to prevent these blatant cheats
And how do you determine what a keyboard's polling speed is? It's not information the keyboard gives to the computer.
in addition they could simply give us the ability to run and moderate our own communities, let us block toxic players from matchmaking and play how we want. they won't do this in the current market though because it's incompatible with live service enshittification.
probs because its expensive, but thats with everything, someone has to get the ball rolling so setting up server side anticheat becomes more affordable, its also devs or companies can be lazy and want the easiest way of setting up something even if it means that players get a worse experience
@@imeakdo7 "It's not information the keyboard gives to the computer." The USB controller does.
all the GOTY contenders for the past few years work (with probably very very few exceptions), so I think we're ok
All Valve has to do is: Remove the artificial turn rate delay and I'd switch to Dota 2 so fast. That's the only dealbreaker for me.
SteamOS could solve the over-forked distro issue with Linux leading to one gaming OS to concentrate on to add anti-cheat for compatibility.
nicely done mate, thanks to steam and their backing i think it will continue to grow and if they nail anti cheat i think linux gaming is going to blow up
true i completely agree :)
@@linuxnext especially with the popularity of handhelds where ppl are choosing to load linux onto them
I was going to buy an Orange Pi Neo once it was available in the US, but the Lenovo Legion Go was on sale for the same price a few weeks ago. So, I just grabbed one and installed Bazzite on it.
As long as you got Linux installed that's all that matters 😂
I wonder why Waydroid has stalled in a beta version and dont seem to be improving which Distros can add it as Gaming Platform. Waydroid is like a Nox or BlueStacks in Windows. When ever Waydroid is available for install from the Linux App Store that be a huge Game changer.
looking at their github the last commits were 3 days ago on the mesa drivers for waydroid, they havent stalled by any means, people have lives also and they dont get paid to do this i dont think, looking at their contributions in donations also they dont get that much to make a full time thing they can do
Thanks for for the straight forward video, and not turning it into click bait.
Someone just needs to make a WISL windows-subsystem-for-linux. Just run a bare Windows NT kernel just so the anti-cheat kernel module can be loaded inside that VM. How hard would that be ?
Or just make the Wine properly implement WinDDK API, unless the stupid anti-cheat is relying on the kernel structures, then you just run the entire Windows NT kernel inside a QEmu.
Would anyone pay for that ? just leave a comment here.
i dont think running two kernel sumultany on bare metal is possible and most anticheat hate vm ... so i dont think that possible....
some multiplayer even ban virtual machine too ...
Honestly this is so complicated and convoluted that it might actually be possible.
i wouldnt use this i dont think :P
I just went to linux. If it keeps being quick and stable I'll be sticking around.
any possibility of uploading to rumble in the future ?
i dont think so
Just installed Mint cinnamon yesterday, installed steam and it worked for a bit, now it's not launching and just keeps trying to open a window 🤷♂️
I had the same problem, uninstall it and run this in terminal:
sudo apt install steam-installer
You can launch it like normal with this installer, fully add it to panel etc.
Can you run steam by typing steam in the terminal and see what it outputs?
@idontcheckmynotifications Ok I'll try that, thank you
I think we're fine because things like league and apex make themselves out to be the center of all gaming culture when they really aren't, they're just very heavily marketed and pull good viewership
I think the Steam console would need to have support for anti-cheat beyond the user privileges if it's going to be able to play games like COD or Apex then devs would have to adopt it maybe. It won't fix cheaters but if they want to have games you couldn't play be playable on steam os
Even if it didn't the steam console is still gonna sell well and users will do the same thing of creating a dualboot like they do on the steamdeck sometimes
@@linuxnext I believe it will sell well too, I guess I am wondering if Valve is working on an in house anticheat specifically for their console or OS. The crazy thing is though, even though Ricochet anti-cheat runs at the kernal level, COD is still rampant with cheaters.
NTSync just got acked to be added in the kernel. To be seen if it goes in 6.13 or 6.14
@n.m4497 wonder what else wine will try and add into the kernel🧐
By the way for anyone who doesn't know NTsync is the successor to fsync in wine, this basically is like how wine synchronises with windows software, fsync has some limitations for what it can do and to improve the last pieces codeweavers decided to try a new way in the kernel which solves everything and so NTsync was born
This will further improve how well windows software and games run under wine and proton
Anticheat is a problem BUT literally not a problem for linux. What I mean is not having rootkits on linux is a plus, and not a real hindrance to stopping cheating itself; may even be part of the solution if it helps devs decide to do anticheat the correct way.
Valve needs to do something against Proton Cheating, it's bizarre how people can exploit this amazing tech and basicaly f*ck everybody else.
Yeah that's gonna be a challenge for them I bet
How did you get your Firefox to look like that?
i think its this
github.com/lassekongo83/adw-gtk3
The only thing i miss is Global Hotkeys in Gnome, besides that Bazzite is 99% usable for me, and for the last 1% i have a Windows Partition.
@@Rekkeni welp time to stare at this for the next couple of months :P
gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome/-/merge_requests/166
They actually made some progress very very recently so it might be merged soon honestly lol
Then it will be up to applications to support this
As sad as it is, the DMKS module is what anticheat makers are most likely to cooperate with, the other stuff doesn't interest them, they decide you go their way on windows, and got used to that, so they would want you to go their way on Linux as well
That is true, now they need a kernel they can trust and have some proper signing and we are good to go like just use steamos for kernel level
Literally the only thing linux needs for feature parity compared to an ideal windows, which atm doesn't exist as windows 11 is completely borked, is HDR. Literally everything else I can think of has already been implemented other than MAYBE multi monitor VRR, which isn't as important, in my opinion.
The colour management protocol is about to merge in Wayland so after that, it's up to the desktop environments to complete it then I think wine or proton need to implement it without using gamescope, for videos like mpv they need to fully implement it also instead of needing to use the terminal to get it working
Maybe a year from now? Idk 🙃
@ Yup! I've experimented with HDR in kde, but that's just it... "Experimented", it's still not really practical at all yet.
Unrelated, but I would love to see a video about how you edit your videos
@@Aroniu my friend edits them, he uses adobe premiere and has simple affects that he adds and camera zooms in and out
The distros need to take advantage of the upcoming end of Windows 10. It's now or... later.
So marketing is what you want them to do?
As much as I hate to say it , dude , Linux is still not ready for gaming in the competitive scene at least... Games like League and Apex went KAC , CS is unplayable if not being played on FaceIT or ESEA, PUBG is dead... I mean, is gaming really saved outside of single player games and emulators? :/
@@underratedphonker6395 ok I don't think I said anything in this video about competitive scene on Linux, I know this but you also need to realise that's only a fraction of the gaming space, gaming isn't only just about competitive games and most people don't even know what ESEA, FACE IT etc even is, they just want to play games and for that Linux can be great for that if you know you wont be playing competitively in fps games, even so there are still options to play games at a competitive level even if you don't have access to things like face it etc, not every person wants or feels the need to become a competitive player
I do hope valve solves this issue but for now Linux gaming is for a particular use case for gamers
@linuxnext I see. Didn't watch the video and got too fast to express an opinion. My bad, I would take a note. Either way, what about modding older titles? For some reason, I got a massive headache when trying to boot Prostreet Pepega edition for the first time on my Cachy laptop and it left me speechless. I couldn't understand why it was crashing while I followed the tutorial step by step. Several attempts later and it fixed itself and ran just fine? That's the problem I think is gonna be really hard to resolve...
that's only one corner of the niche that is competitive games for that matter; fighting games are excellent on linux and I've been getting super into Beyond All Reason lately. more people need to consider too how important it is to have a reliable rig that won't update under you and that has really good input latency.
@@SFtheWolf still have to try my arcade stick under Linux! :D
my hitbox has worked without a hitch so far!
oh also games like kof xiii which had really jank problems with things like high refresh rates are easier to hammer into a working state on linux ime
granted I should mention for honesty that tekken 8 and sf6 have had a lot of performance issues for me under proton but I think they're mostly fixed now
hope steamos comes soon so we see many handhelds with it
me it still use both cause i have some issue like my gaming laptop hdmi doesnt work well on Linux so it is stuck in Windows and my other laptop i use both Windows and Linux due to Windows having less issues ... sadly (yeah both my laptop use Nvidia graphic card ... that probably why) for me i can play on Linux and play a anticheat then i play on my console but i still need Windows for school sadly ...
nvidia is improving this, its one of their top priorities to improve laptop support for their driver under wayland
you can read here
forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/wayland-support-for-the-565-release-series/312688
the one about laptops is called mux switching
SteamOS gonna take over
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valves success is in rebranding flatpak and wine as steam runtime and wine+dxvk+fsync. same shit
uuuuh idk lol, they dont own flatpak and that would be very confusing with all of the runtimes that are already in flatpak.
wine, dxvk and fsync are in proton so a user doesn't rlly need to worry about that
Say no to intrusive anticheats and drms
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@linuxnext Just doing what you're doing: raising random, absurd questions and then negating them, even though they didn't need an answer. Why question a claim nobody made?
Well it's mostly about the anticheat situation and how a lot of people seem to think that Linux is crap and isn't gonna go anywhere because of many issues like anticheat, nvidia problems etc etc so I made video as to why it's not bad and there is gonna be continued support from many companies and projects, there have been a lot of concerns from many different forums of people questioning if Linux gaming is gonna continue to get worse with companies blocking Linux or taking back what they did before like apex for example
You don't even need to click on the video as the title states that I don't think it's going anywhere but you clicked on it :)
And many people have questioned these problems, idk what your on about ngl, you must live under a rock and looking at your GitHub you do a decent amount on GitHub related to Linux things so I think you should understand the issues that have been happening but you don't seem to lol
@@linuxnext Even if all multi player games are blocked would you consider that as dooming for the Linux gaming? It would be bad for sure (for some people) but dooming?
@oalfodr well yes windows would still have a grip on the multiplayer side of gaming, maybe not for you but for me and many other people yes
As always... if you exclusively Play multiplayer games with DRM/anticheats/spyware (you know things that capitalistic and greedy companioes employs) then stay on Windows...
However if you play single player games from indie devs then Linux works flawlessly
maybe Linux can be a good option for those who only play solo game abd Windows will be the superior option fir compétitive game sadly ...
when it comes to how many competitive games you can play yeah windows is better for that, but its not like you cant play competitive games, the finals, overwatch, marvel rivals, all halo games, all valve games, for me thats enough to satisfy me, and when apex was supported i got to masters and diamond multiple times, masters in overwatch 2, and top 1k on the finals all on linux so its not like you cant play competitively on linux
pika os is a great gaming distro
well its alright, my pikaos install has mucked up my parition 2 times now when doing updates, ill be doing my one month review on it as it hasnt been that fun for me
looking like the part too
that's how i imagined the classic linux user is
also yes gaming on linux will be always trash and not worth it
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looking like a skill issue :)
@@linuxnext i have a life unlike you loser
I tried, but the game I play the most, Gray Zone, is totally broken on Linux. It's just not worth the problems if you play a lot of games. Just my opinion.
Broken as in the anticheat doesn't have Linux enabled so the game simply won't work without it, it's more of you play every multiplayer game under the sun so yeah your not gonna have a fun time, Iv been playing games on Linux just fine for almost 3 years now and it's a breeze if you don't have a game that is actively trying to block Linux, valve works around the clock fixing problems so if you don't play a lot of fps titles there almost no issues you encounter which yes I know a lot of people play multiplayer games with anticheats and yes I wish game studios and valve could figure out a way of kernel level to work effectively even if Linux users don't like it
For all these clowsn claiming linix is so great, yet game developers don't want to bother working with linux because it is a small market. Linix will never be big. Funny how much money valva has blown to bribe programmers to get proton working.
Imagine thinking popularity = quality lmao
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Steam has improved a lot for Linux gaming, one important one is their runtimes which allows games to run on almost any distro without problems, it uses debian as it's base so the games remain stable, so developers now don't have an excuse for that, also the market share used to be under 1% 2 years ago, it's since grown so much so I don't think Linux is bad by any means, the major problems with Linux like depends hell with your apps breaking and games are gone, things like Flatpak solve that issue and have a nice gui store for the user, the only thing left rlly is anticheat and that's a fine excuse if you don't want your multiplayer game running under proton as it's in userspace
The League is the only thing keeping me from completely switching all devices to Linux 🥲
What about Dota 2?
@@linuxnext Unfortunately there is no time and desire to learn a new game for yourself, dota is much more complex in its game mechanics, and in the league you already know everything, so there is no desire to dive into something new