The new V-Strom 1050 is massively misunderstood | Suzuki 1050 DE Review
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The V-Strom 1050 is an... interesting machine. I think it's often maligned, misunderstood and poorly represented by the media.
It's magic.
Is it the best at anything? Nope.
The way I like to think of it is this. Most bikes are trying to be a gourmet dinner. Think Gordon Ramsey, Michelin star, fancy schmancy, tremendous, top of the game.
The V-Strom is a crisp sandwich, chip butty, pie n gravy, bowl of instant noodles, grilled cheese. It's comfort food in a bike. It's still food and most of the time it's the food we want.
It just doesn't look great in a picture on a menu. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
If you are one of the 99% of riders who hardly ever rides offroad, want a rock solid bike that will do 500 thousand miles without needing to be fixed and won't break the bank when it does, and you care more about reliability, functionality, and ease of ownership than looking flash and having a bike with capabilities far beyond yours, then get a V STROM..If you like wasting money on things you will never use, showing off to everyone, and losing your licence every time you twist the throttle...or you happen to be in the 1% that has the skills to ride a big bike offroad to its potential..then get something else.
Some people can push the 19" Strom, it is as competent as other bikes. th-cam.com/video/D8EqvpUnfL0/w-d-xo.html
If the XT can do the same thing the other ADVs can, the DE has zero reason to be looked down as a bike for the 99%. It is as capable as the rest.
@@20cent that french man must be very fit ... I'm in my forties now and I cannot wrestle a 250kg motorcycle over rocks - actually I think I never could :)) I am intimidated by the weight of my Tenere 700 ... I prefer thumpers for offroad.
I love them! But you'll have to peel the key for my GSXR750 out of my dead cold hands!
Respectfully, your assumptiom of 99% is not correct.
@@scottloftin1730 depends on the definition of off-road I suppose. For instance Fire roads are not off-road, can do those on all but drop bar bikes (gsxr etc...)
People want the bike version of an SUV.
Suzuki is just being realistic with this bike. They and every other manufacturer know 90% of ADV bikes don't get ridden over much more than fire roads, anyway. No matter how visually well equipped for dirt use, they are. BMW and KTM will always rule the luxury AVD market, no matter how good of a bike Japanese manufacturers produce. Because for a small segment of the market, it's all about how much it cost. And of course, they also know a good rider on the Strom can get a lot further than an average rider on any other ADV bike. As it has and will forever be, 90% rider 10% bike. Anyone trying to pretend any of the large cc adventure bikes are more of a dirt than a street bike is just silly. Or have never ridden a proper dirt bike. Think twice, is my best advice. Especially if you're new to riding off road.
Spot on mate!
And this is exactly why I went with the KTM 390 Adventure. Lightweight, and much cheaper. I just wanted something that I could ride on the freeway to get to the mountains for a weekend camping trip. Maybe some light single track, but I'm not trying to ride it like a dirt bike.
@@cameronburch3532 That was probably your best for the job. Especially if you don't need an all day highway speed bike.
The guy who's testing this bike is complaining about the amount of suspension travel. Yet, he's riding down a dirt road that you could drive a car on. He makes no sense. I've literally ridden my Harley Sportster on dirt roads like that. No problem. And it doesn't have ABS or TC.
It's just weird how or why he even comes up with his complaints. And all his compliments of the bike are back- handed. Feels like he's either brand loyal to another bike. Or is simply being dishonest. Being in his position, he should know that V-Strom will easily go to places 90% of ADV riders wouldn't dream of taking it. Or any other 1000cc, over 500lb adventure bike, for that matter. A simple TH-cam search will find these bikes in the same remote locations as any other bike.
I can't imagine who thinks they're going to learn Dirt Bike riding on a 1000 + cc bike.
KTM have some Factory Riders that make me want to get a Super Duke, but then I realise I'm not even in their league.
Yes.
I bought a V-Strom 650XT to use as a 95% street bike that can deal with potholes, poorly maintained back roads, and still run the superslab comfortably all day. That's what these things excel at, not hopping logs.
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Another great video! Nice seeing Suzuki going to Greece! Keep up!
Great review! A much more rounded, considered and honest opinion of a new bike instead of following what all the others are saying!
I’ve been wanting the 1050XT since it came out. I think it’s so underrated
Nice bike for sure.
Wow, this review was spot on. I currently own a 2018 1000XT, and have found it to be a wonderful motorcycle. However, if it does so much so we'll, then why am I toying with the idea of parting with it. Fact is, on long trips the seat and seating position are pretty brutal. There are also some really great options available right now, but at what cost. What I will say is I do the majority of the maintenance myself and in my own garage. It is so much cheaper to own and operate than my previous Triumph.
Wow, this was the best review of the bike I have come across. The viewer has got a genuine idea of what to expect from the bike. Positioning it into the context of the whole market bears the signs of a proper philosophical background :-) Thanks!
Just picked mines up last week and everything you said spot . Especially the foot pegs, one thing to add is that there is a metal rod below the pegs. Your pants can easily get caught up and you could have a nasty fool. Thinking of buy aftermarket pegs and see if a lower seat helps as I am 5'9, so far I am able to manage as this is the biggest bike I have ever owned. Overall it's a wonderful bike!
Honesty’s the best policy.
Well done mate.
You know, I own a standard 1100 AT and I love this bike very much. This bike can do it all. I have been hitting curvy roads, the racetrack and offroad tracks. I have adjusted it to my needs. It's a keeper for sure. But as a very tall person I also love adventure bikes as road bikes. I have tested the 1050 XT and I absolutely love it. There is something about this bike. It is so much fun on the road and it makes you feel great. The engine alone...❤ Suspension and overall setup also feel great. It feels lighter than it actually is. I also love the looks in red/white and yellow. Really thinking about making the XT my road bike while keeping the AT for everything else because it can do it all. Great review. I would also love to have more true Japanese adventure heroes around.
I can get behind this 🙌
It really does feel lighter than it is. Working the clutch at lower speeds is very easy to balance the bike and it’s very nimble. One thing that felt weird is down shifting, I’m used to having to rev match but this bike doesn’t seem to like the extra throttle blip, and did fine with just clutch release. Just something I have to get used to
how tall are you, if you don't mind me asking?
@@coldfeel 1,96 m tall
Great review! This seems like a fair assessment, with some good background, and some mentions about the competition in this segment. I myself don't have much dirt road experience, and no "off-road" experience. I envision myself sticking to the paved surfaces primarily with occasional dirt roads, depending on my destination. I'm interested in the base 1050, except the price seems a bit steep for me (US market). I'll probably wait for a lightly used example.
Great review - Daming with praise. I had the original Vstrom1000 (first shape anyway - 2003). It had its limitations - slightly weak brakes, skinny fork tubes that flexed when changing directions aggressively, crap handlebars (that went straight in a skip), and it had a face only a mother could love. Having said that it is one of my all-time favorite bikes - it had a killer engine, great handling over-all, was reliable, and was crazy comfortable. I commuted on mine, toured, toured two-up, raced it in an endurance race (and didn't come last), gravel roaded it, AND adventure rode it off-road (Deep sand, where it sucked, but I managed). If I was in the market, I'd buy a VStrom650XT - they are much cheaper, almost as fast, lighter, and don't have a bunch of stupid rider-aides or RBW. The King died a few years ago and we shall never again see his like.
1:20 that map freaked me out for a second! I live about two miles from Suzuki Motor USA in Brea, CA.
I have a 2014 Vstrom 1000. At 5'11" I installed a foot peg lowering kit.
I have pretty much every aftermarket mod available and have taken it through some pretty serious desert terrain
Its not an XR650R but if you slow down and use nobbie tires it will do some amazing stuff.
Same story with my '14, I got some funny looks from people on KTM's but I was out there with them. They can take a whooping, and they don't jump half bad either.
What a well produced episode. Subscribed
Thanks!
One of lifes great questions-What you want and what you need! For a great many it may not be the bike they want-but is most probably the one they need.
Exactly! Me included. Thing was like a plus 10 bonus on my road riding ability 🤣
@@BrakeMagazine British B road,third gear=sublime! and mines a 2003!
@@100CupsColombia you know it!
Was just about to write this. The motorcycle industry (and I include journalists in that) really struggles with how to talk about the "bike we need", because motorcycling is essentially escapist, and there's nothing much escapist about taking a good hard look at your own limitations and the practicalities of your situation. Llel does a much better job at keeping it real than most.
@@jaimemetcher388 Indeed
I added peg lowering plates on my VStrom (not a 2023 though). Makes a huge difference.
Great real world test (as usual),thanks
My pleasure!
Got a t7 but never ride ofroad and make a lot of highway miles. Saving up to maybe get the strom with streat tires. It fits me better and loved the quickshifter
Nice review 👍🏻 I think the bike looks good and is somehow appealing to me. Ride a AT 2017 today, would you suggest the Honda to be a better off road bike? I like to ride gravel quite fast.
Thanks for the video. Right now a local dealer has a couple new 2021’s for under 14K. I have a Harley Street Bob which I love but I’m also a dirt rider or I’m trying to figure out if I should get rid of the Harley and go with an adventure bike or not.
Can’t wait to see the 800DE review, Suzuki bike has its own character, hoping it can fill the gap between 650 and 1050, that will be splendid.
from what i understood, the 650 will be discontinued... and replaced by the 800 de.
@@BalkanCook Owned 650xt before, despite the some ergo problem, the handling of the bike is excellent, sad there will be no next gen 650.
Hoping Suzuki will put 19/17 inch wheels on 800, make a different 800 standard model for on-road oriented rider.
Hi Llel, have you got a test ride of the 800 DE lined up. I would be interested to see your thoughts vs the 1050 and T700/890 Adventure direct competitors.
Im more excited about the Vstrom 250 SX. Lightweight and zippy it'd be a blast to ring that thing's neck on dirt roads. The classic Suzuki yellow looks awesome on these Vstroms too
I agreed 100% with you... i have a V-Strom 650 Xt and i feel all the cons you're telling us about those bikes .. They're good gravel bike.. not adventure bike .. sadly .. I've tried the new Honda transalp and i was very pleased about that .. but for now i use it mainly on the road and for commuting so i will stick with the V-strom for now .. thank you for your video Hi from Italy
You liked the Transalp?
@@BrakeMagazine Yes, the Transalp is more ergonomjc than the Vstrom. All the stuff are well placed , it does have good torque and more Cv than the V-Strom650xt and the brakes are very good. very nice bike , runs great , it will sell big .. 🙂
Stepping up from the DR650, looking forward to better road manners and wind protection. Still won't get rid of the Dr, you know, just in case things don't work out.
You will find those.
5:30 to be fair, the much more expensive KTM1290 SAS that i bought before hearing about the new suzuki 1050, has some small footpegs that are similarly close. But with a pair of sw motech ion footpegs i could lower their position and it made the bike more comfortable. I think the same could be done for the Suzuki.
That's exactly what I did on the 650 and it worked a treat. Same pegs. 😊
The most realistic assessment of this motorcycle.
Cheers Heiko!
Great review. Particularly like that you don't buy into the inane notion that to say "they didn't change it" is somehow a negative.
Hey Lel, when's your review of the Desert X coming?
I honestly didnt care that it didnt have as much tech as the other bikes in its class, as a matter of fact I find it more appealing than a "luxurious" bike with all its novelties which only serve to drive up its price tag and add to the list of things that could break.
Nice video as always. Reason you didn't like this bike is because you initiate corners with weighting the pegs ;)
Jokes aside, just like your videos about the O.G. V Strom 650 and the build series (which was awesome), this too is a road first- bike. I haven't ridden this one myself, but hearing what you say about the cramped cockpit and awkward standing position tells me right away that this is an adventure tourer that can go down a regular gravel road. Seems like Suzuki played it a bit safe with these new V-stroms, but they made what the marked wants is my theory, if not they'd make a new DR650.
🤣🤣🤣 You got me!
Totally agree with everything you're saying 🙌
Hello Johannes, how are you doing 😊
Doctor Big is legend.. and it seems it will continue with DE,that wish they replaced the letter E with R.. a way from Vstrom..
yeah but nobody that lives in the uk needs a 1000cc bike for the odd bit of green laning. the most common use for the uk adv riders is the odd wet weekend in wales where a crf 250 will do everything you need and more. heavy bikes are for massive intercontinental treks...
It is for someone who will use it mostly on road like most people but when the need comes for off road that person will have the skills for off road, you know, having the tool for when the need comes but knowing how to use the tool.
It is important though to have proper skills almost like a pro as it is heavy and tall. I don't... so although I prefer the its looks than the 650 or Transalp, I have to look there, or the Triumph 900 GT. When I go holidays and I find this random off road lane gravel road with my wife, I wouldn't want something so tall and heavy, you wouldn't too I guess. Also she wouldn't... 😀
would you compare this bike more with the africa twin or the tenere 700
.. so ist es ! Ein großartiges Motorrad zum roadsurfen, morgens drauf setzen und abends mit breitem grinsen absteigen ! Das Fahrwerk ist bestens für schlechteste (!) Strassen ausgelegt, lässt sich sensibel einstellen - top ! Ich habe hinten ein längeres Federbein eingebaut - das Fahrwerk ist wendiger geworden, die bessere Bodenfreiheit lässt mehr Schräglage zu ! Der Motor zieht wie ein Trecker und dreht dennoch jubelnd aus ! Hinten ein (!) Zahn mehr gibt ihm zusätzliche Drehfreude ! Mehr Motorrad braucht kein Mensch !
I think the transalp too, because Japanese engineers don't put 21" front wheel, tubed tyres etc without a reason
For sure. I think price has something to do with it too though. Tubeless is expensive to do well.
Wish they would bring out a bike true to the original DR Big. I sold my 1988 Big last summer and bought a world raid. It's taken me a while to gel with it but I do love it. Is it a replacement for the Big? Not at all. I modded my Big with a fork swap and uprated shock, better brakes and taller seat. I travelled thousands of miles without incident on the old girl. It's hard for people to appreciate how good that 34 year old bike was. I wish I had kept it as I miss it's character and looks. It created so much interest on trips into Europe and would have grey haired Frenchman gesturing in approval as I rode past😂. I think you would have liked my Big Llel with its sympathetic mods and spacious riding position. I still can't quite get the ergonomics right on the World raid.
Interesting. I'd love to have ridden it. Have you made any modes to the riding position on the WR?
@@BrakeMagazine Yes I have added kedo peg lowering brackets which have improved things a little. I have also added 20mm risers which iam not sure have really helped much. Can't quite put my finger on what is wrong even after 4000 miles. May try a different set of bars but they are pretty much what I would choose anyway. Had trials bend on my Dr Big which were perfect for me but not sure they would help on the world raid. May add some foam to the seat to level it out some more so I would naturally sit a little further forward and higher. Trouble is at 5'11" it's already tall for me.
@@NK-dl2nc Try flipping the bar clamps around. They are offset slightly so that moves the bars forward. It's only small but I preferred it on our T7.
@@BrakeMagazine Will give it a try but I feel that the seated reach is about right. It may just be me and a physical issue with my posture. I have been suffering with long covid for 18 months and that has created many issues with my general health and physical wellbeing. I need to get to the bottom of it as iam planning on riding down to the pyrenees next month and hope to do some tet before everything gets closed. I can ride 5-6 hours a day at this point so any improvement in riding posture will help minimise my fatigue.
@@NK-dl2nc I wouldn't say I noticed much in the sitting position, more just when standing it wasn't as upright and so I didn't find myself pulling on the bars as much.
Tricky one though.
would you recommand a tenere 700 or a v-strom 800de?
My dream was an Africa twin but the price tag is absolutely ridiculous. A 2019 with 18k miles selling for 13k at the same dealer where I just bought my 2020 1050 XT for 12k out the door with only 5k miles and a 4 year unlimited mile full warranty and I’ve gotta say it’s one hell of a bike. Can’t compare it to the twin cause I’ve never ridden one but I’ll say the power is there and the handling is phenomenal. Sounds really good too and I like how it’s similar to the GS when you look at it from the back side and the front looks really good aside from the hideous wind screen. So far loving the bike. Ironically I had just totaled my DR650 and had no plans in buying another Suzuki because the DR didn’t impress me but I’m glad I gave it another chance
That is mental money for a second hand AT 😂
@@BrakeMagazine absolutely. I remember 3 years ago during Covid, our local dealership had a special going for a 2020 AT adventure model brand new for 13k 😂
Great review. I get your point.
Thanks for watching!
Always a pleasure. Your content is of high quality. Really like it. Regards from Germany.
Lovely analysis as always. Honestly I would be very interested in seeing a real life review of the smaller sibling that got pretty “fat” at the end - the 800 DE.
I am very excited to ride it. I'll likely be late August by the time we get around to it. Only so many hours in the day, but I've got one helluva review planned for it: P
@@BrakeMagazine yeah well .. ride it OFF ROAD ! .. gravel roads AREN'T trail or track .. I ride "road bikes" on your "test" roads FFS give us a "REVIEW" .. cheers .. from NZ
I put a Seat concepts tall seat and 1" lower foot peg brackets on mine. 6'3" Its much better ergo wise than stock.
That sounds like it would fit me a ton better. How do you like the SC seat?
Suzuki is just realistic and isnt selling features and specs that none of the actual riders need. None of the (or at least 99%) 1290 and co riders need 240mm of ground clearance and 160+ hp on an adventure bike that is aparently made for offroad are stupid anyways (looking at you KTM).
Its always funny to see the "once a year dirt road" groups of middle aged men struggle on gravel with their 20k+ adv bikes, tipping them over in every tight corner just to complain about how expensive spare parts for their bikes are. If you want to go offroad, get an enduro bike. If you want to do modest offroad travels with close to no tight sections, get a light adv bike like an properly set up 690 or even a T7, tuareg and so on. But no one (apart from pros like Pol or Kilian) will take a large adv bike really off road.
Today I want to see Ktm 1290... The driver position for me 190cm was amazing... The Bike is expensive... And amazing... But Then I went out from the bikeshop and saw V-storm 1000... I wanted to give it a try... And guess what... The driver position was almost the same as the double expensive Ktm! The v-storm are so underrated bikes!!!!!!! THE driver position are amazing and the price is perfect. Suzuki is Fire 🔥🔥🔥🙏
8:56 Hot damn, that is some sexy bike.
Bar risers and peg lowering links pretty much standard requirements for any v-strom. The testers in Japan must have long arms and short legs.
I have beaten my DL1000XAL8 for five year. My skid plate is made of more weld patches than original plate.
I can not ride a dual-sport expert route with it. Hell, not everyone on a dual-sport can. Hence "expert".
I have always written to Santa Claus and asked for:
A. A 21" tire
B. Two more inches of ground clearance.
C. Eight inches of travel.
(At this point, I'm beating the KLR650 in all categories except weight, if I get my wishes.)
Santa threw in FULLY adjustable suspension, front and rear. Preload, recoil and compression damping. Front and back.
Okay, the 800DE is tubed. For the real spoked feel. I'd have preferred the option of tubeless laced, like the DL1000XAL8, simply because I buy my tires based on difficulty to pinch flat/rim bend and am comfortable with my tubeless tire repair kits. I'm sure Suzuki will add the option. it's just too good a tarmac adventurer to restrict it from some of the tubeless 50-50 tires like the TrailMax Mission. Sometime we have to drive hundreds of miles of freeway to get where we go off road.
I actually watched a video where a dude wasn't gonna buy either the 800DE NOR! the 1050DE because.......it didn't have cruise control.
Oh, golly.
My '78 Suzuki 750 scrambler will be shocked. What, no cruise control?
I have one motorcycle older than 20 years and its claims to fame are it has automatic cancelling turn signals AND a shaft drive. oooo000000OOOOO!
Is it the Himalayan of big adventure bikes? By that I mean, is it a forgiving bike? I love my Himalayan because it was aan adventure bike with off road chops that allowed me to grow as a rider on dirt and sand because of how firgiving it is. Nothing on the Himalayan is too tough, too peaky, too edgy. You say the 1050 DE is a bit "meh" compared to the competition, is it "meh" because it is more forgiving as the Hiamlayan is for smaller adventure bikes?
What is the difference between vstrom 650, 1000 & 1050 is there any difference in the fuel range? I would like to see a belt drive on the 1050
Great question!
Your description could be a TDM900
I sounds like you were looking for a offroad dirt bike. My impression of the videos is that, again Vstrom is criticised for not being a dirt bike. I think the problem is that some you tubers constantly try to find a unicorn, perfect "ADV dirt bike", while such thing do not have the right to exist. The idea from Suzuki is in my opinion to have the bike that will: 1 - be super reliable; 2 - take the luggage and yourself around the world; 3 - handle the road and off road very, very well considering your luggage. If one looks for a dirt bike, obviously go for smaller, off road oriented bikes. But if you want to travel the world, go over deserts, sometimes mud, gravel etc. This is one of 3 bikes I would only consider ( V-Strom, GS Adventure, Super Tenere). The author is a great guy, I watched many very good videos (thank you for all of them), but looks at things from off road oriented perspective, and I think anything which is not off road focus is never good enough?
I'm pretty sure I finished this video by saying that the bike might just be perfect 😏
I try and review each bike on what it does objectively and then relate that as to how it works for the end user if that helps 😊
Many of us are eagerly waiting for something a bit more extreme from Japan becouse the market is already pretty full of great road oriented adventure bikes. You know something a bit closer to Tuareg, Desert-X, 890 Adventure R, Norden Expedition etc. Tenere was supposed to be a great start from japan but now about 7 years after it was announced it seems that it pretty much is all Japan has to offer.
@@BrakeMagazine You did a great job. It is a detailed video, from professional perspective. I did test ride V strom 1050XT a few months ago and I thought it was a great bike, I just couldn't understand why everybody seem to be praising the GS, Multistrada or KTM so much while these are the bikes that statistically brake much more often then e.g Vstrom or Africa Twin. I bought Tiger 900 Rally Pro. I did 7k miles over the last 8 months and it broke 3 times (quick shifter, bearings and front breaks). It is one the expensive bikes as well and why would it brake so much? I regret I didnt buy the V Strom, and I didn't because the reviews say basically, it is either boring or not capable.. ( I am a new rider by the way so I rely on pro's opinions). I love the Tiger, but I know Vstrom would not break so much and I travel to Alps etc. I guess one may ride any bike for fan in the UK where you have mechanics available but if you go outside Europe, Japanese bikes are the ones to take. I look forward to see Tenere 900.
I've owned both the 650XT & 1050XT & must admit the 650 was the better bike for me, they are the workhorse of bikes, good reliable bikes, just wish they made them a bit better looking 🤔
That 650 is an absolute peach. One of the easiest bikes to ride in modern history.
That’s interesting. I’ve never owned 1050. My first V Strom was first gen. 1000 but one day I switched it for my friend’s 650. Week later I got my first Wee. Never looked back. To the point that in 10 years I’ve had 5 Wee, 5 Wee2 and the last one Wee3, 2017 XT. After 13 V Stroms in total I’ve decided to try something else - Yamaha FJ09. On 2019 Tracer 900 right now. Another great bike but for different reason though. Missing 19” front wheel and grunt clearance.
Ditto for me. I've owned 2 x 1000 VStroms and currently own a 2022 model 650 VStrom and I believe there's not much difference between the two. Of course, the 1000 is faster, but not by much. The 650 is the better buy, especially if you are short of a dollar.
I think the 650 doesn't have cornering abs as an option. Would you still get one today over the 1050?
I will put my 2014 Vstrom 1000 against a GS any day. I have this bike into places it should not go, bounced it off rocks like crazy and it kept going. I was running Michelin Anakee Wild tires at the time.
The GS is just too wide down low and too heavy.
If you are going to really go off road get an off road bike.
My XR650R will eat just about anything in the dirt other than technical twisties.
Maybe you know our V-Strom upgrades (and bikes) - lower footpegs are included 😊
We would LOVE to ride that 800 of yours 😍
@@BrakeMagazine Let's make an appointment! (email?) By the way, we will spend the summer holidays in Wales 😎
I have a 2016 SV650A and the power delivery is so linear, there are no real surprises - I imagine the V-Strom engine is the same...
Good review. 1. Which version of the V-Strom 1050 would you choose based on driving 98% asphalt and 2% gravel; standard or DE (I am 6.2 ft tall) ? 2. Have you noticed differences in gear ratios - compared to the previous version (2020 1050XT)? (Suzuki boasts that they shortened gears 1 and 2 to make the bike more dynamic - at the expense of fuel consumption, and extended 6th gear to improve travel on the highway).
Honesty, we didn't get even close to similar riding conditions to notice that.
I reckon you'll have to back to back them, but it felt pretty comfy at speed. 😊
Next project bike: Modding a 1050DE into a DRBig? or even the 800.
Hessler racing has already lots of combos to make vstroms proper off road machines. Even looks like suzuki copied them for making this DE.
Just sold my DL650 with every possible offroad modification for a CRF 300 Rally. It's crazy how bad the V-Strom is, even modded. It's just too heavy at basically 250kg. I did love it on the road however, it was a great bike.
Pretty different world those two bikes!
@@BrakeMagazine I'm new to the game, and just spent the last three days in a row out and about. I'm absolutely psyched. Hoping to attend Adventure Spec Wales 500 in July.
@@tom.2900 Sounds like the right bike for you then 😊
What worries me about the V Strom 1050 2023 model is the low maximum payload - only 198 kg. A bit small for a week-long trip for two with luggage (taking into account the weight of crash bars, trunks, racks, etc.). Even the V-Strom 650 has a bigger one (202 kg).
Fair point.
with the AT so few and far between somebody's gotta pull up the slack
Garbage on two wheels? Everyone always hates on the V Strom. I can’t figure it out. I have put 30,000 miles on mine ( 2014 DL 1000) and it’s an incredibly easy to ride, comfortable and reliable motorcycle. And 3.1 second zero to 60 speed just is not slow. In 30,000 miles I’ve spent a grand total of $89 for parts to replace something that broke. That was the Gear indicator. I probably averaged 10 times that amount every year on my BMW.
I don't think it's shit. I really like it!
@@BrakeMagazine somebody's shit is someone else's pride-----goes a saying. Never mind.
I've seen your previous condescending video talking about the 19" version "oh yeah it's a great...road bike.." Check out what Tom Barrer or others can do and where they go on stock 19" 1050XT (only a bash plate added). You probably can't even do it with whatever KTM or GS you think is best. There is a difference between subjectivity and objectivity. Are there better ADV bike than the Vstrom in 19"? On paper, yes. In reality, maybe too. That doesn't mean it is better to you or us if we can't even reach the capability limits of the "weakest" of them. In its 21" form it is as good as an AT or GS ultimately, it is a matter of snobbism at that point as no argument can be made in its disfavor.
I get you clearly love your V-Strom, but maybe you should do a little background research before you start slagging people off 😏
Unlike many of the competition, the big Strom will win out in one main area which is it will be reliable, tough and long lived. I don’t care who says what but my experience in ownership of some of the others has been they’re not especially reliable, they’re silly expensive and a vast majority never see so much off road as a gravel track. Most people paying £22K for an adv bike will never take it off road.
The reality is people buy adv bikes BECAUSE they deal with crappy roads so well and are comfortable for long days in the saddle.
The Strom being unremarkable on road but competent means it doesn’t call attention to itself. It never takes away from the journey but could have better weather protection. Personally, I think it’s strength is that it will make a superb mile muncher and it will be dependable. I run both a big boxer twin and a Vstrom650. The one I prefer for crappy roads because it’s more settled and comfortable is the WeeStrom every time.
Personally The adv upgrades bar the tft I think are a retrograde step as the changes make it a worse road tourer in some ways. I’ll be sticking with an older Strom.
Another great video! hope you can get your hands on the new Vstrom 800de would love to have your opinion on it. Ive been eyeing it as an upgrade from my 18 650xt. the 1050 just feels lacking
It's on the list to test soon enough. I'm pretty excited to get some time on it. 😊
@@BrakeMagazine Awesome looking forward to it! keep up the good work, love the videos!
I'm looking forward to the 800DE review as well. What about the new 2023 KTM 790 Adventure? The 890 gets all the hype but I think the 790 is the better road going version but still capable of dirt excursions.
@@BURDsTheW0RD thanks! Will do 😁
@@blpppdotcom I will get there. I agree with you. Looks an incredibly good deal.
A gorgeous motorcycle and i guess the last of its kind (A reliable V Twin)
Not many V-Twins left! The Ducati is pretty nice though 🤔
@@BrakeMagazine “A reliable V twin” i meant
@@topeight4662 😂
"Adventure" bikes are made for long highway runs and fire roads, everything else is just marketing. They are not enduros or dirt bikes, they are not meant to be fun or good off road. Actually where I am from they are called "travel enduros" and that's exactly it, pretty much cruisers/choppers for people who might leave the road every once a while... I was also intrigued by the new Tenere with all the cool videos. But I already have a dirt bike, so why would I get something that is not as good as dirt bike off road and not as good as a street bike on road? Ended up with GSX-S750 as addition to my 250 KTM dirt bike.
Because riding big bikes off road fast requires special skills and effort. And the thrill off crossing where isn't supossed to, it's great.
IMHO you cannot compare the BMW GS because it’s a telelever suspension but while we are here comparing.. The “mid weight” bikes are 10% lighter with 60% of the power for 80% of the price 🤷♂️
And is hot tip from a German recently at a BMW Motorad event in Australia, the new GS has been on a diet.
Currently planning a cross continental trip and i was planning on doing itbon my bandit 1250s but after seeing some of the roads i know im going to have to get a bike like this due to dirt roads and trails .
Now i had a varadero 1000 for a good 6 years and i use to take that beast off road originally i first had tourance on it when i got it then i got the tourance next and what i will say my love for off raod got the better of me oneday and i dropped the bike it took me a good 40 minutes before i got it back up so them tires where near done for so i got a set of karro3 and holy hell it went everywhere so i honestly think if you tried this bike off road with a set of the karro4 you will be comeing home with a big satisfying spunkstain in your pants
Odd...I hear conflicting views being 6'3" myself...as to if this is a bike suited for tall people. Maybe the fact tall people can put their feet on the ground differs from tall folks being comfortable in that rider triangle with knee bend. I've sat on them a couple of times and cannot decide if I might be just as good on the 800DE...
I think you would. I would take the DE over the 1000. You loose cruise control is the downside.
You also nailed the tall rider thing. Tall seat height does not equal rider comfort.
If you can ride it around the world, it's an adventure touring bike. If it does it reliably and comfortably, it's a great adventure touring bike.
People need to stop judging these touring bikes as if they're dual-sports. The 'T' in ADV is silent. It stands for touring. Please adjust your reviews accordingly.
I have the capacity to get my knee down when the road is frozen. Unfortunately so does my bike and the rest of me....
🤣🤣🤣 I'm impressed. I defo can't bring myself to do that 😏
I’ve got a sneaky suspicion your using a Panasonic camera for the talking head shot.
Focus (auto) is off about half the time. And hunts about lots.
So unlikely to be Sony or Canon.
(Unrelated to the bike. Apologies)
Canon R6 actually. Literally the first times it's ever done this 😅
@@BrakeMagazine oh dude. Yep somethings up with that. R6 is normally great for face tracking.
Manual focus for video always. #ThisIsTheWay
@@PissTakeProduction Agreed, but when you're a self filmer that can be really tricky too. Typically the Canon AF has been incredible for me but it dropped the ball today.
I'll double check next time 😊
@@BrakeMagazine We all need a focus puller.
Don't see any reason that I would prefer this or the new 800 over a standard africa twin. Love my modded Dr650, but Suzuki just keeps missing the mark in my opinion.
I mean, if ya happy! AT is a great bike 😊
so did you do the v strom 800 ?
Not yet. It will come later in the summer. I have a Desert X, Norden, Aprillia and KTM in the works first 😊
@@JohannesDalen 🤣🤣🤣 I will! I just rode the Desert X a lot. It is... special
@@JohannesDalen 🤣🤣
Im old..I don't need flattering. My days of stump jumping are over with. I need a bike that has good value for travel on bumpy chopped up tarmac, and forest service roads.
It's not just this bike but most of Suzuki's bikes are stuck in the past 20+ years or more. DRZ400, DR650, Vstrom 650, 800 and 1050 overweight and poorly suspended. Only way to bring a Suzuki to modern standards is if they put Suzuki badges on a Tenere or 890 KTM. No reason the Vstrom 650, DR650 and DRZ400 don't have USD adjustable forks and good rear shocks, new digital dash and put on a strict diet. Suzuki use to be a fantastic company striving to be number one. Now they are behind all the other Japanese manufactures and struggling against the newer and better equipped Chinese ADV bikes.
I disagree about the suspension on the 800 and 1050 but otherwise not too wrong. I think the 800 DE is better than you think, it's just maybe not what you want. :)
@@BrakeMagazine me too but overweight applies
I think people are trying to look for an Enduro bike in an ADV .. when an ADV is indeed just a go anywhere travel bike..
The T7 is great as a dirt machine, but as a tourer.. blah. Would you want a T7 to get really use as an ADV?
Great point.
Not every rider is 2 metres tall with 36 inch legs and longer suspension travel / ground clearance means higher seat, and if you cannot get your feet down off road you are never comfortable....
not my sort of bike but i enjoyed your review nevertheless
Thanks Ken!
People need to get real. You don’t need 200mm travel for riding a 20k motorcycle to you job.
I own old dr800 and I was exited about new 800, but unfortunately.... 😢
I hear great things about 800!
A 500-lb bike is not something you take off-road, but it's nice to have one that can handle it when you do. A 400-lb bike with low center of mass, is what you want if you're going to spend your life off pavement Paris Dakar style.
no cornering ABS, no tubeless wheels, no cruise control 😢
Cornering ABS yes.
Tubeless rear Wheel.
Cruise Control Yes
Does anyone know how tall the rider in this video is? Asking because I’m 6’4 and he says he’s cramped.
6’2
spoked tubed wheels? no way Lowering the foot pegs is simple.
The 800DE weighs more than the Africa Twin 1100.
It does. The 1050 weighs more than a 1250 GS.
Not trading in my 890 R confirmed.
Understanding 🤣
So it identifies as an adventure bike but we all know it hasn’t had the operation
It's good for off-road if you know how to ride
Does that mean I don't know how to ride off-road?
@@BrakeMagazine I went off road with it. I need tyres for sure, the stock tyres are only for street. The 19 inch wheel at the front doesn't help very much with off road.
@@littlereptilian7580 Ah. I understand. The DE model has a 21inch wheel 😊
@@BrakeMagazine trying to sell it now and get the 800DE. Hope that someone buys into this "adventure" bike as I did lol
@@BrakeMagazine do you want a certificate from that Little reptile jerk about your capabilities?
If the new 1050 is anything like the boring Vstrom 150XT of 2020 its a fail. Worst turning radius, difficult to turn off ABS and traction control for off road. Other than that its great. And the blue covered plywood shaped like a seat, sucks.
Spend the extra money, get a desert x
Suzuki doesn't sell more of these due to crappy marketing...
Social media sells bikes. They need more exciting videos. They need to support influencers and travellers who use their bikes. Sometimes, sharing a story is enough...
And they ultimately need a better designer.. go steel one from ducati 🤭
Probably the most accurate comment on this video. 🙌
Suzuki needs to smarten up and put a tubeless tire on the front.
They basically said they didn't think the rim was good enough and didn't like the reliability of the KTM style sealed spokes. I get there point and I'm pretty sure the rim is tubeless ready if you want it sealed. There is a company called BART that do a professional job, or you can DIY it very successfully.
@@BrakeMagazine they have a tubeless on the rear, and their 19" spoked rim was tubless. It all boils down to them not being able to source a tubeless rim at a pricepoint that worked for them.
@@lcdubs7847 I agree.
Do not buy that Leatt helmet on the shelf. I shelved mine after trying to live with it half a season. The D rings and especially the securing snap, are up so high in the padding, that it made me feel like I was being strangled like no other lid I've worn in my 27 years on motorcycles.
How interesting! I've my 8.5 and my 9.5 helmets. One of the comfiest I've ever worn. Must be a head shape thing :)
@@BrakeMagazine bullocks!
Makes pretty low power for its weight and engine capacity
You need to be brave to take on the financial burden of a R1200GS, both initial price and running costs.... you need to be even braver to take a 600lb + top heavy bike off-road... Just like all those 4X4 SUV never go off tarmac, most ADV bikes natural home is tarmac and outside cafe...
I honestly got the impression you were more focused on communicating your subjective opinion on the bike, that you forgot to do an actual review.
Sorry Suzuki.. nxt bike after my T700 will be a standard ktm 890 with the new eye-friendly design...