I feel especially in the first avengers they didn’t need to be friends. They didn’t need to get a long. They just had to work together well enough to save the planet. They definitely got closer by the second avengers. It ain’t about friendship it’s about doing what it takes and that means collaborating with people you might not like.
Os Vingadores não são amigos, os filmes dos Vingadores deveriam começar com algum vilão causando destruição ao redor do mundo o que chamaria a atenção de todos os heróis e o filme todo seria sobre aprender a trabalhar em equipe e depois vingar a destruição do vilão.
In that case then the supposed conflict of them breaking up in Civil War doesn't really seem that big a deal in hindsight because half these people don't like each other and start fights already.
One thing I like about Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes is that they all lived in Avengers Mansion, and would just interact, even when they're not on a mission. The Avengers felt like friends. Scenes like Wasp talking to Ms. Marvel about her relationship with Ant-Man, or Tony having to learn a lesson from Cap.
While there were a few members that did live in the mansion, the only one I recall during the earliest issues was Cap. Now during the "Cap's Kooky Quartet" years it seemed they all lived there. Alot of times some of the other heroes used it as a flop house.
@@TonyJaaFan1587 I thought they had a decent reaction. After all, it can be hard to even react in a situation like that. Besides, they still felt way more like friends. Especially with Hulk and Hawkeye.
It really wouldn't have killed them to put in even a small montage of the Avengers hanging out in Infinity War or Endgame, just to give a lot more emotional impact, similar to what they did with Tony Stark and Peter Parker. They had an established relationship. I have no idea how Thor and Hawkeye get along; hell, I don't even know if Thor knew Hawkeye was at Mjolnir's crater in New Mexico. Hell, they could have thrown in a line or two about how Bruce Banner and Captain America would go bowling every weekend or something.
Even the ‘established’ relationships felt kind of rushed to me. Tony Stark as a mentor to Peter Parker is fine and all, but it was bit and pieces across like three movies. Happy Hogan and May Parker dating and Happy taking the breakup so bad didn’t make me feel bad for the character at all, since they barely went through anything on screen I can’t even remember Black Widow and Hulk caring for each other until they did and Bruce went away. But I think the key point in all of this is ‘on screen’. They leave it to us to assume all of these friendships and relationships happen in between movies because with a whole stacked cast, there’s little to no time to dig deeper into little side plots or stories.
@tommyton Because the cast hung out together, they thought that by showing that the character team building would be heavily implied but known. Just bad writing 101. Show, don't tell. I was confused when I saw Age of Ultron. The dialog between each character was not what I expected. I was expecting more like a sports team type deal and not a false family narrative. I stopped watching after Age of Ultron. It was that bad for me.
Infinity War already had them broken up, so there really was no realistic way to have them "hang out", given the severity and imminence of the situation that was Thanos. Endgame however, they had a bunch of scenes of them just hanging around. You literally have a scene with Steve and Natasha at the beginning, with the former literally just visiting her to see how she's doing. You got Steve, Natasha, Scott and Hulk eating at a diner with the first 3 trying to convince the latter to help with their plan. You have a scene with Bruce trying to get Thor out of his rut, building on the rapport they established in Ragnarok. Hell, during the actual planning, you get a montage of them literally just hanging and being casual. Albeit it was during the task of them formulating a plan to get the Infinity Stones, but you saw the Avengers in a more casual dynamic. They're sitting around eating ice cream and dinner, with Scott consistently being shown as the runt of the litter. You have a scene with Tony, Natasha, and Bruce literally lying down in an office together, looking like a bunch of high-school students cramming for a test, and they're just shooting the shit. Do all the Avengers get time together one on one? No, but that doesn't hurt he movie or the dynamic at all. Like, really? You guys want a line about "Bruce and Cap going bowling together" to make them feel like a family? These scenes all did just that, and showed that they've all developed a rapport and camarederie with one another that stems outside the battlefield. Y'all are just corny.
@@bowserbreaker2515 Well, there was at least a couple times there seemed to be bad blood. When the Avengers tried to initiate Spidey (by finding the Hulk) Iron Man was less than enthusiastic. The other time I remember was in an issue of Marvel Team-Up. Spidey & Shellhead fought the Tomorrow Man, and squabbled quite a bit.
0:32 No no, you're right. Even the worst Lupin the 3rd media convinces me that Lupin and his gang are better friends than the Avengers had in an entire movie.
About the time when there werent a single avenger who attended t'challa's funeral, a quote stolen from Deadpool "its like the studio couldn't afford any more avengers" although, i agree that bucky should have been there. he was the white wolf of wakanda. he is an honorary wakandan. i can see that wakanda does not WANT to ask for help. but to me, wakanda did bucky a favor and wakandan's are not below calling in the favor thats why everett ross is in the wakanda forever. i do believe that at least some avengers were there but they couldn't show it because then half the movie they would be looking for those avengers who were in attendance. especially since Namor's invasion would be an "avengers" level threat.
@@dylansharp8471 no, they still care for bucky. it was wakanda who sheltered him, it was wakanda who erased the winter soldier brainwashing, and it was wakanda who allowed bucky to keep a vibranium arm because they trust him or at the very least respect him. watch falcon and the winter soldier tv show it shows how they erased the brainwashing
Couldn't an in character reason be that Wakanda did not want any outsiders to attend the funeral? Maybe Wakanda wanted a private funeral for their king after all that happened beforehand
This was something on my mind for a long time, as much as I enjoy the movies, they weren't a team for that long. Band together to stop Loki, then team up to stop Ultron, then they "split up" (mainly the avengers disassociating from Iron Man), then Infinity War and Endgame happen and it's over. And were Tony and Steve really "friends"
1:18 I’d also say (as support) the problem really is that we don’t /feel/ it, not that we don’t see it. Like you said the clintasha relationship is felt from the very beginning and they have an equivalent amount of time to the avengers as a whole, it’s just utilized a TON better.
@@Mr.Griffin824 And they took away most of their secret identities and they were government created which I don't like because they really are a government strike force.
Everytime I’m like “who are the avengers now?” I also ask where do they hang out? Where is the new compound. Not one of the movies post end game has had answer. I don’t think the projects are communicating
The movies and the comics are two different beasts, you even said it yourself... Comics are easier and cheaper to make and don't require you to pay the art to act. It's nice to want these things, and it's nice to show and not tell, But from a business perspective, it makes no sense to be wasting time on things that the audience can just....guess. For example, you say that Banner and Cap aren't friends, he wouldn't know anything about how he lost his virginity but, Cap was the one telling him to go after Natasha at the AOU party, you can easily just assume that they've had off-screen conversations like that, do you wanna go to the movies watching Avengers hand out or doing wanna see how things are handled with the next threat. This thing is successful because it didn't waste the audiences time with meaningless conversations
The films literally worked because people wanted to see how these different characters interact. People’s favorite scene in age of Ultron isn’t a cgi fight scene it’s them trying to lift Thor’s hammer. People love grounded real human interaction. Stop feeling a desire to defend the mcu
In every instance that there is a team up situation, the people on the team never get along at first (Suicide Squad, Justice League, Avengers....) because of clashing ideals and morals... this superhero has an ego and is a douchebag, another is a boy scout, while another is a brooding and serious and another doesn't take anything serious.... they dont need to be friends! That's what makes them becoming friends later on so great because they finally understand and look past some of their character flaws and grow respect for each other
Exactly! And its these relationships both good and bad that create special moments and build tension in the movie. It's essential to good story telling.
If you get any backlash, I’m happy to take that away from you. Here I go: I am not an MCU fan. I have never been a fan of the MCU, and I blame it for movies sucking nowadays. I especially hate Disney, and I hate that the X-Men (the only franchise I cared about) is now in the MCU to be butchered by Disney’s superhero assembly line.
I really feel that they should have had more of a presence in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Even if it was only to appear a couple of times or have individual characters appearing for an episode. Yeah we're not seeing them as a group but at least we're seeing them doing slightly more.
I think that they didn't try to show them as thightknit friends. In Thor: Ragnaroc Thor introduces Hulk as a friend from work. You don't introduce actual friends that way, only collegues you get along at work but never see them otherwise. Actual friendships in Avengers&co are Steve&Bucky, Steve&Sam, Sam&Bucky, Natasha&Clint, and Tony and Rhody. I don't think any other pairings have contact with each other beyond work related stuff. Bruce had a thing with Natasha in Age of Ultron, but flew away at the end and never have any time together after that. Thor is by far the furthest removed from everybody else, living most of the time on another planet, and his relationship with Jane fell apart because of that.
Its kinda hard to buy them splitting up in Civil War in hindsight because they split up and start fighting one another...when theyve been doing that more than theyve been together as a unit in every movie theyre in. This time its just more physical I guess.
The reason why nobody shows up for black panthers funeral is because that's the second funeral he's had and the first one was during Infinity War when he disappeared so they would have already had a funeral for that person and this was after everybody came back and then he was dying from AIDS and colon cancer from getting monkeypox up his ass that apparently the purple drink mix couldn't fix so I had no sense in why his anemic sister was trying to make some more purple drink to try to cure him when she should have just gave him some Nike shoes
This is why there is so much avengers domestic life fanfiction out there, like you said. Perhaps its a bit much, but when you can only have 2-3 movies a year it made more sense. Then disney overblew that screen rate. While what existed was p good, I wish we could half the amount of tv shows we've been getting a year lately and toss them into phase 1/2 as random interactions on low level stuff. Like when Thor had to leave after the first movie without a Bifrost to take him back (and assuming he couldn't use the tesseact again cause of whatever orders he was given), lets see what they do the moment the bifrost is fixed. See them testing their abilities on eachother in a less stressful environment. The 2 spies on the team regrouping with everyone right after Shield falls cause they don't have anywhere else to go anyway.
I agree, and the other comments actually confuse me. Sure, in the first movie they weren’t meant to be friends. BUT, obviously by the time of Civil War, we’re supposed to believe they’re close enough that this whole ‘breakup’ is super heartbreaking & difficult. Given how little they actually have any “not in crisis mode” interactions or even REFERENCES to offscreen “not in crisis mode” interactions, it plays more like coworkers fighting over the big boss’ new policy than friends having a moral conflict.
Saying they werent friend in the first movie, and complaining about it, like duh the whole first movie was them meeting each other for the first time. Also, saying comic books they met up for everything like yeah thats what happens when you have to release a comic like every week across multiple serialization regardless of what happenes on the other comics.
Still they could have shown a little bit more of chemistry between them so that they felt even like a fraction of how close the actors feel. As for comics allowing for more moments between the team, I sure wish there was a visual medium that allowed for shorter more concise stories focusing on character interactions that also happened to release weekly. But the shows, which should do it, don't, they are just used as an extension of the next film so that they can take the time it would have required to have the exposition for the characters to get where they are (be it place, motivation or strength) and instead use it for more action scenes and bland, stale humor, like the example he mentions in WandaVision and Multiverse of Madness
Interesting topic. I don't think it was a problem that they were just close coworkers. They were still friends, just not best friends. But they should have developed their relationships when they decided to act like they were really close near the end.
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I always got this vibe but I don't see why its a problem. There is nothing wrong with a professional relationship. Are you friends just because you beat people up together and wear colorful costumes?
If you’re building a universe based on these characters relationship and connection yeah it matters. The guardians are more of a team than the avengers
@@thomasjohnson1885 Nah we are watching them to see the Avengers fight stuff and to see how the story unfolds. There is nothing wrong with a professional relationship. I'm like that with some people in real life. That doesn't mean I dislike them you just act differently around certain people.
@@icecreamhero2375 And those members of the team are the ones people least care about. We care when Daredevil and Spidey team up outside of a team and help each other, we care when Banner is helping Tony same with Nat and Cap. However if you just show up, fight then peace out, not helping the team with other issues, then your less of a team player and just there to fight. Why do you think work does Work parties or Football teams celebrate together and hang out because in the long run having a close and better relationship makes the team stronger especially before big games like the premier league.
@@dillydraws "However if you just show up, fight then peace out, not helping the team with other issues, then your less of a team player and just there to fight." Not necessarily what if someone is a bit more introverted.
The whole point of the story is bringing togeher people with super powers and special abilities, with little in common to defeat other worldly beings. The internal conflict is beautiful because the audience is engaged and invested in their struggle to be a team and to win against evil. Theyre "earths mightiest heros" not mightiest team lol
But the success of phases 1-3 was that they were all disfunctional. It gave the films the tension missing in every later mcu film except Guardians 3 - because those characters were also a bickering family and that was where the humour and emotion came from.
They do the thing starwars use to do where they mixed media to tell the story letting comics and cartoons set up underlying character development so the movies can do the heavy lifting 🎉
Fanfic bleed-over into believing there's more than what's really on offer, I think, is very true. At the same time, I wouldn't chalk up all the confusion to it. Another source comes from the "average person" not caring / being as invested as all this as the "hardcore fan" or even the "average fan". There are enough people who don't know that Madame Webb, Kraven, Morbius, and Venom are not part of the MCU - and it's not their job to care either. I jumped off the hype-train years ago, but I've seen pretty much all the movies and shows - not all but most - and I can still keep most of the basics straight in my head. But I know people who could watch a couple of them back to back and not retain basic things. If you asked them "Do you remember this character from the last movie?", you'd probably have to jog their memory with specifics, or say the name of the actor/actress, because it simply doesn't matter to them (which is fine, albeit kind of annoying when trying to ask for thoughts on a movie haha).
I agree with you, keep dropping more content like this my brother. I’m trying to get started dropping similar type of videos. (Any advice for beginner creators?)
The best advice I can give you is what was given to me and that is: Just make stuff. Don't focus on having the best equipment or what's popular/trending and is gonna get you the most views. Make what you want to make, something genuine and hopefully it'll find people who connect with it
You know maybe Tony was right about Wanda that she should have been behind bars before she started to play god with peoples lives and also in all Spider-Man media does everyone have a communication problem?
Wanda's problem was feeling alone and not being mentally strong enough to resist the darkhold. You think putting her behind bars is going to fix that? Pobably make it 10x worse. Plus you can't put someone behind bars just bedause they have the capacity to cause harm.
After watching Suicide Squad I’m glad the Avengers weren’t that buddy buddy by the end. With the SS one of them goes so far as to say this group of criminals forced to work together to stay alive for a few days is like his family. We didn’t need something like that with the Avengers. Better to let those relationships play over the course of various movies rather than forcing it into one
Have we read the comics? The Avengers are ELITE. There are friendships among them but they’re not all friends. A team that has a Super Soldier, a God, a Multi Billionaire SUPER Genius, a King, an Android, a lethal Spy, and a Sorceress???? Not everyone is going to get along y’know just like in real life jobs? If you have issues with the movies,(phases 1-3) you never read the comics. Period. And…..the BIG 3 are indeed friends. That’s the one friendship that is clear as day! Comics and MCU. Age of Ultron ending demonstrates this and the anger between Cap and Tony over Civil war and in Endgame shows this. If they didn’t care about each other, “Betrayal” wouldn’t sting so bad!
So much money is tied up in a Movie, run times, pacing etc everything you said would be addressed if they made standalone episodes on Disney + or TH-cam where you could see what you're asking for. GOG Christmas Special is the best example
On the one hand, I agree that I wish we saw more missions the team undertook; I particularly would’ve liked to see some missions post-Battle of New York but pre-War on HYDRA, but some post-AoU ones would be great, too. Tony alludes to “And then, and then, and then…” which basically means he was still on combat duty during that time, he didn’t retire as fully as we figured he was going to at the end of AoU. In addition, though, yes, I’d love to see more low-key interaction between them at Avengers Tower and at the Compound. That was one thing I loved about What If? Season 2’s Happy saves Christmas episode: all of them are volunteering in NYC together, and they’re having a big party afterwards. On the other hand, and I mean this with respect… I just don’t see what you’re arguing here. Yes, it could’ve been portrayed better, but I buy that they’re friends. Or, better, as Drax says in GotG Vol. 2: “We’re not friends. We’re family.”
Nah, not even that. I'm currently going through the movies again for the last time, that first Avengers movie is so dire when it comes to interactions, Bruce barely tolerates Natasha, Thor only talks with Shield people, and Tony and Steve hate each other. They do a bad job throughout the movies making their big team look like a quote unquote found family. Edit: I have now finished Phase 3 and the amount of time they spent arguing and fighting amongst each other is greater than that of the time spent as alleged friends.
When Bruce mentioned that he tried to take his life. No one reacted. When Thor was struggling with depression, no one checked on him. The Avengers are horrible people.
These aren't the Super Friends, that's DC. There are friendships within the team but the Avengers were never put together to be friends in the first place, they came together to combine their abilities to fight threats that they couldn't fight alone, not to share feelings. There was personality clashes In the comics from the very beginning, Hulk quit after in issue 2 and was replaced by Cap by issue 3, the entire team separated after issue 3 and Cap put together his own team made up of ex-criminals Hawkeye, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch by issue 4. Steve and Tony were never buddies in the comics, at least they're more friendly in the MCU and Bruce/Hulk has a lot more respect from everyone in the MCU, in the 616 the closest he has to a friend outside Rick Jones is Wolverine and they're just as likely to try and kill each other as team up. If the MCU follows the 616 and they put together an Uncanny Avengers team they'll be even less friendly or trusting towards each other, especially if they allow a mutant to lead it like Rogue did in the 616.
@@Galvatronover Usually they talked about how Tony was screwing up missions. Throughout the 80s, 90s and 2000s Tony was an alcoholic and it caused him to stop being Iron Man on more than one occasion, it became a theme in his storyline for three decades it was James Rhodes in the Iron Man suit that joined the West Coast Avengers and it was Rhodes in the suit during the 1st Secret Wars, they tried to keep it a secret and everyone thought it was Tony but he was too drunk most of the time. Tony was the one who wanted Cap out of the Illuminati and talked Dr. Strange into wiping his memories of anything to do do with the group. They aren't besties and never will be but they respect each other enough to be civil.
If you ignore all the scenes of them being friends, then yeah 😂 Them hanging out at Clint’s house in AoU. Cap hanging out with Natasha for all of TWS. All of the scenes with Nat and Clint. When they’re all just laying on the floor and spitballing ideas in endgame. Vision and Wanda’s budding romance in Civil War. The mentor relationship between Iron Man and Spider-Man. Like there’s so many examples that I’ve never heard this criticism of the MCU Avengers before.
The only reason they were at Clint's house because they needed a safe hideout. It wasn't just to hangout and chill. Also I'm pretty sure he means the entire group being friends not paired off in duos. We never see Clint and Thor's friendship, or Bruce and Clint's friendship or Bruce and Steve. Or Natasha and Thor. We only ever see Natasha being friends with Steve, Tony, and Clint. I never bought Tony and Steve's friendship. It seemed like they hardly tolerated each other. So i personally wasn't moved when Tony said he was Steve's friend because he really wasn't.
apart from clint and natasha, they also did a decent job of making me believe tony and bruce plus natasha and steve were friends. bruce and tony were hanging out at the end of iron man 3 (technically the entirety of im3 lol) and nat came to peggy's memorial to support steve. they failed at every other dynamic tho. it was weird.
As much as I agree it would have been nice to see the avengers bonding more, it's important to remember that 1. The writers only have so much screen time each movie to get through everything and 2. Every time they involve the actors to make these scenes, it is costing millions of dollars in salaries alone. Would it have been great to see more of Tony and Steve hanging out to add context to civil war? Of course. Am I gonna fault the writers for saving millions of dollars and minutes of screentime by alluding to that development offscreen? Probably not.
Hold on...Mini Groot is Groot's OFFSPRING? I thought he was growing when most of his body was destroyed in Gaurdians 1. The reason he was acting young again was yada yada alien plant something or another.
Uhhhh..bro, covid didn't stop them from having Strange in WandaVision. It's been known for a while now that they didn't want Strange, the white man, saving the day
I do agree with this and I mainly chalk this up along with most of the other MCU problems as a real lack of world and character building, the MCU has never been good at world building and I do think that in a way due to how they handled the Avengers as well as the whole nature of their stand alone films it did make it seem like the Avengers were more like co workers rather than friends. I mean Tony has a better and more convincing relationship with Rhodey than Cap in the MCU at certain points, although that did become more diluted as Rhodey appeared less and less frequently
As much as I love the MCU, this is a fair criticism with substance, and I can totally see where Phil is coming from. However, I do think this is simply a case of lost in translation like a lot of other adaptations. And when you think of how the MCU is set up with solo films and team-up films, it was going to be difficult to bring that aspect with it due to the process of big-budget filmmaking with famous A-list movie stars. Put it this way, when making a bunch of issues of Avengers comics, alongside their solo tie-ins, you don't have to worry about actor's salaries (people seem to forget that Robert Downey Jr. almost left the MCU after Iron Man 3 and almost didn’t appear in Age of Ultron after his initial contract expired and only came back after Disney agreed to pay him more money), their schedules, or in the case of the late Chadwick Boseman, a star in a huge franchise passing away just as you're about to go into production on a highly-anticipated sequel. Simply put, to make the films like what Phil was wanting, it would have just been too expensive to do so, with the exceptions of the X-Men films, in which there was the convenience of them all living together at Charles Xavier's estate, and only did occasional solo films like the three Wolverine films and the Deadpool films (which are really glorified parodies of Marvel films, well-made ones at that) or with Guardians of the Galaxy, in which there was the narrative excuse of them living in the ship or on Knowhere together. This is why, as much as I love the MCU, after seeing the recent trend of standalone superhero films not tied to an interconnected constantly crossing over cinematic universe (Logan, Joker, The Batman) in which that character was the only superhero in that universe and said universes were segregated (or in the pre-MCU days, you never had Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man team up with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine or Christian Bale's Batman team up with Brandon Routh's Superman) because the only superhero you had to follow in say The Dark Knight Trilogy was Batman and his supporting cast. I will still show up to MCU films for as long as the show goes on, but let's try to get some standalone segregated universe films like Matt Reeves' The Batman again. Also, kudos to Phil for making a video criticizing the MCU without doing the whole clickbait con artist schtick to performative fake rage about "woke SJWs" ruining the MCU like The Quarter Pounder, Geeks and Grifters, and Critically Drunk do.
I mean do we really need all hero teams to be friends, i mean yes some tems could be friends but i feel like not all teams should be friends, yeah the Avengers could have been great friends but at the same time i feel it's more realistic for them to be more like coworkers or close colleagues than actual friends
In terms of the young avengers i feel like kamala and america will get along since they are the youngest of the group, kate and cassie will get along since they are the next gen of avengers and eli and riri will get along, well, not to be racist but they are both black but i do hope everyone has a good relationship with each other
Interesting 😃Take. Personal, I have no 😅Problem with the Avengers are not beeing friends, only people together fighting evil from time to time. This is how the Avengers were created in the first place in the Comics. They fight Loki and think it’s maybe a good idea to fight together. They not even knew each others secret identity at this point. The incredible Hulk was always hunted by other Superheroes and the army, why should he trust anybody of the Team? The Hulk even broke up with the Team and never really returned, working more with Dr. Strange and Prince Namor. The Guardians of the Galaxy 🌌 work so well as the found family Trope, because they have literal nothing else left outside. We talking about huge familiy problems, lost parents and murdered Wife and kids. The Avengers have a rather stable relationship outside the workplace. But I understand your frustration. Make more videos! 😃😃😃
Age of ultron was legit peak avengers in terms of them being human and friends, something which was sorely missed in later missions. Tony and Natasha were friends back in Ironman 2 and Wanda and vision ofc were close and I guess Tony and vision should technically be close since he was Jarvis, and I guess if you really want to you can say Thor and hulk were friends but that’s about it. Part of the reason the actors are tired is because they aren’t allowed to have much fun while in role hence why Chris hemsworth got bored with the Thor role. Hell even in Loki everyone in that show everyone was friends
interesting...my biggest problems with the mcu are the absolute garbage excuse for comedy that makes almost every character unlikable and the incredibly bland filmmaking that makes everything feel fake. Yes i understand these movies aren't supposed to be realistic but compare any mcu movie to the filmmaking in something like dune part 1 and 2, raimi's spider-man, lords of the rings, the dark knight trilogy, mad max fury road...the mcu doesn't come close
LOL THIS is what you think the problem is with the MCU? Not the bad choices the last few years, woke politics, agenda pushing and numerous badly written scripts? The last thing anyone cares about is if they're bickering with each other... we want good movies back again.
I feel especially in the first avengers they didn’t need to be friends. They didn’t need to get a long. They just had to work together well enough to save the planet. They definitely got closer by the second avengers. It ain’t about friendship it’s about doing what it takes and that means collaborating with people you might not like.
Then you can’t really call them a family which is what Steve calls them
@@thomasjohnson1885 in the first movie? I don’t remember that tbh
Os Vingadores não são amigos, os filmes dos Vingadores deveriam começar com algum vilão causando destruição ao redor do mundo o que chamaria a atenção de todos os heróis e o filme todo seria sobre aprender a trabalhar em equipe e depois vingar a destruição do vilão.
In that case then the supposed conflict of them breaking up in Civil War doesn't really seem that big a deal in hindsight because half these people don't like each other and start fights already.
@@elae4051 or you could say the tension that was there was setting up civil war
In the old X-men comics, it was nice to see their lives at school, they cooked, played baseball and went to town.
One thing I like about Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes is that they all lived in Avengers Mansion, and would just interact, even when they're not on a mission. The Avengers felt like friends. Scenes like Wasp talking to Ms. Marvel about her relationship with Ant-Man, or Tony having to learn a lesson from Cap.
While there were a few members that did live in the mansion, the only one I recall during the earliest issues was Cap. Now during the "Cap's Kooky Quartet" years it seemed they all lived there.
Alot of times some of the other heroes used it as a flop house.
@@timworley3058 Yeah. Although I haven't read many Avengers comics. That's the one series where I think the cartoon is better.
They still weren’t really friends though, Ant man is presumed dead one episode and they barely react to it
@@TonyJaaFan1587 I thought they had a decent reaction. After all, it can be hard to even react in a situation like that. Besides, they still felt way more like friends. Especially with Hulk and Hawkeye.
It really wouldn't have killed them to put in even a small montage of the Avengers hanging out in Infinity War or Endgame, just to give a lot more emotional impact, similar to what they did with Tony Stark and Peter Parker. They had an established relationship. I have no idea how Thor and Hawkeye get along; hell, I don't even know if Thor knew Hawkeye was at Mjolnir's crater in New Mexico. Hell, they could have thrown in a line or two about how Bruce Banner and Captain America would go bowling every weekend or something.
Even the ‘established’ relationships felt kind of rushed to me. Tony Stark as a mentor to Peter Parker is fine and all, but it was bit and pieces across like three movies. Happy Hogan and May Parker dating and Happy taking the breakup so bad didn’t make me feel bad for the character at all, since they barely went through anything on screen I can’t even remember Black Widow and Hulk caring for each other until they did and Bruce went away. But I think the key point in all of this is ‘on screen’. They leave it to us to assume all of these friendships and relationships happen in between movies because with a whole stacked cast, there’s little to no time to dig deeper into little side plots or stories.
@tommyton Because the cast hung out together, they thought that by showing that the character team building would be heavily implied but known. Just bad writing 101. Show, don't tell. I was confused when I saw Age of Ultron. The dialog between each character was not what I expected. I was expecting more like a sports team type deal and not a false family narrative. I stopped watching after Age of Ultron. It was that bad for me.
They did 😂 at the post credits of the first avengers
Infinity War already had them broken up, so there really was no realistic way to have them "hang out", given the severity and imminence of the situation that was Thanos. Endgame however, they had a bunch of scenes of them just hanging around. You literally have a scene with Steve and Natasha at the beginning, with the former literally just visiting her to see how she's doing. You got Steve, Natasha, Scott and Hulk eating at a diner with the first 3 trying to convince the latter to help with their plan. You have a scene with Bruce trying to get Thor out of his rut, building on the rapport they established in Ragnarok. Hell, during the actual planning, you get a montage of them literally just hanging and being casual. Albeit it was during the task of them formulating a plan to get the Infinity Stones, but you saw the Avengers in a more casual dynamic. They're sitting around eating ice cream and dinner, with Scott consistently being shown as the runt of the litter. You have a scene with Tony, Natasha, and Bruce literally lying down in an office together, looking like a bunch of high-school students cramming for a test, and they're just shooting the shit. Do all the Avengers get time together one on one? No, but that doesn't hurt he movie or the dynamic at all. Like, really? You guys want a line about "Bruce and Cap going bowling together" to make them feel like a family? These scenes all did just that, and showed that they've all developed a rapport and camarederie with one another that stems outside the battlefield. Y'all are just corny.
Just wasn't enough@@Visual_YT
I feel like we needed an Avengers christmas special like the guardians
What if happy Hogan saved Christmas what if episode
In the 60's & 70's comics Spidey & Iron Man kinda HATED each other.
I don't remember them interacting in the 60's. But that is an interesting concept.
@@bowserbreaker2515 Well, there was at least a couple times there seemed to be bad blood. When the Avengers tried to initiate Spidey (by finding the Hulk) Iron Man was less than enthusiastic.
The other time I remember was in an issue of Marvel Team-Up. Spidey & Shellhead fought the Tomorrow Man, and squabbled quite a bit.
@@timworley3058 I've read those, I just don't really remember them. But honestly, it makes more sense for them to not like each other.
@@timworley3058that’s not true, standard Marvel 60s-70s squabbling isn’t actual hate.
@@thomasjohnson1885 hence the term 'kinda'. Guess I should've said 'dislike'.
0:32 No no, you're right. Even the worst Lupin the 3rd media convinces me that Lupin and his gang are better friends than the Avengers had in an entire movie.
About the time when there werent a single avenger who attended t'challa's funeral, a quote stolen from Deadpool "its like the studio couldn't afford any more avengers"
although, i agree that bucky should have been there. he was the white wolf of wakanda. he is an honorary wakandan.
i can see that wakanda does not WANT to ask for help. but to me, wakanda did bucky a favor and wakandan's are not below calling in the favor thats why everett ross is in the wakanda forever. i do believe that at least some avengers were there but they couldn't show it because then half the movie they would be looking for those avengers who were in attendance. especially since Namor's invasion would be an "avengers" level threat.
Isn't Bucky sorta on bad terms with Wakanda? (at least from what I've heard happened in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier)
@@dylansharp8471 no, they still care for bucky. it was wakanda who sheltered him, it was wakanda who erased the winter soldier brainwashing, and it was wakanda who allowed bucky to keep a vibranium arm because they trust him or at the very least respect him.
watch falcon and the winter soldier tv show it shows how they erased the brainwashing
another one of the reasons for why t'challa should have been recasted.
Couldn't an in character reason be that Wakanda did not want any outsiders to attend the funeral? Maybe Wakanda wanted a private funeral for their king after all that happened beforehand
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This was something on my mind for a long time, as much as I enjoy the movies, they weren't a team for that long. Band together to stop Loki, then team up to stop Ultron, then they "split up" (mainly the avengers disassociating from Iron Man), then Infinity War and Endgame happen and it's over. And were Tony and Steve really "friends"
I think it’s because the actors were too expensive.
1:18 I’d also say (as support) the problem really is that we don’t /feel/ it, not that we don’t see it. Like you said the clintasha relationship is felt from the very beginning and they have an equivalent amount of time to the avengers as a whole, it’s just utilized a TON better.
Which I feel leads into another problem for the MCU they don't feel like a superhero team more like a strike force.
That’s mostly a result of the ultimates where they were by definition, a strike force
@@Mr.Griffin824 And they took away most of their secret identities and they were government created which I don't like because they really are a government strike force.
I would love if in one movie we just saw some heros hanging out in a bar, and the others who aren't about the movie just leave
Everytime I’m like “who are the avengers now?” I also ask where do they hang out? Where is the new compound. Not one of the movies post end game has had answer.
I don’t think the projects are communicating
The movies and the comics are two different beasts, you even said it yourself... Comics are easier and cheaper to make and don't require you to pay the art to act. It's nice to want these things, and it's nice to show and not tell, But from a business perspective, it makes no sense to be wasting time on things that the audience can just....guess. For example, you say that Banner and Cap aren't friends, he wouldn't know anything about how he lost his virginity but, Cap was the one telling him to go after Natasha at the AOU party, you can easily just assume that they've had off-screen conversations like that, do you wanna go to the movies watching Avengers hand out or doing wanna see how things are handled with the next threat.
This thing is successful because it didn't waste the audiences time with meaningless conversations
The films literally worked because people wanted to see how these different characters interact. People’s favorite scene in age of Ultron isn’t a cgi fight scene it’s them trying to lift Thor’s hammer. People love grounded real human interaction. Stop feeling a desire to defend the mcu
In every instance that there is a team up situation, the people on the team never get along at first (Suicide Squad, Justice League, Avengers....) because of clashing ideals and morals... this superhero has an ego and is a douchebag, another is a boy scout, while another is a brooding and serious and another doesn't take anything serious.... they dont need to be friends! That's what makes them becoming friends later on so great because they finally understand and look past some of their character flaws and grow respect for each other
Exactly! And its these relationships both good and bad that create special moments and build tension in the movie. It's essential to good story telling.
I didn't expect that MatPat bit😂😂
If you get any backlash, I’m happy to take that away from you. Here I go: I am not an MCU fan. I have never been a fan of the MCU, and I blame it for movies sucking nowadays. I especially hate Disney, and I hate that the X-Men (the only franchise I cared about) is now in the MCU to be butchered by Disney’s superhero assembly line.
I really feel that they should have had more of a presence in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Even if it was only to appear a couple of times or have individual characters appearing for an episode. Yeah we're not seeing them as a group but at least we're seeing them doing slightly more.
Sometimes i wished they were more like the guardians, but i actually like how they are, they have a job to do and thats it
We only saw them do that job 2 times before civil war, it would have been cool if we saw them do a few more before civil war
I think that they didn't try to show them as thightknit friends. In Thor: Ragnaroc Thor introduces Hulk as a friend from work. You don't introduce actual friends that way, only collegues you get along at work but never see them otherwise.
Actual friendships in Avengers&co are Steve&Bucky, Steve&Sam, Sam&Bucky, Natasha&Clint, and Tony and Rhody. I don't think any other pairings have contact with each other beyond work related stuff. Bruce had a thing with Natasha in Age of Ultron, but flew away at the end and never have any time together after that. Thor is by far the furthest removed from everybody else, living most of the time on another planet, and his relationship with Jane fell apart because of that.
Its kinda hard to buy them splitting up in Civil War in hindsight because they split up and start fighting one another...when theyve been doing that more than theyve been together as a unit in every movie theyre in. This time its just more physical I guess.
They did not even split, just the avengers choosing captain America over Iron man
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 literally the only ones on Tony's side by the end are his best friend and Vision, half that team low key hated Tony.
The reason why nobody shows up for black panthers funeral is because that's the second funeral he's had and the first one was during Infinity War when he disappeared so they would have already had a funeral for that person and this was after everybody came back and then he was dying from AIDS and colon cancer from getting monkeypox up his ass that apparently the purple drink mix couldn't fix so I had no sense in why his anemic sister was trying to make some more purple drink to try to cure him when she should have just gave him some Nike shoes
The MCU'S Avengers aren't friends. Well, duh. Tumblr has been talking about this for years.
This is why there is so much avengers domestic life fanfiction out there, like you said. Perhaps its a bit much, but when you can only have 2-3 movies a year it made more sense. Then disney overblew that screen rate.
While what existed was p good, I wish we could half the amount of tv shows we've been getting a year lately and toss them into phase 1/2 as random interactions on low level stuff. Like when Thor had to leave after the first movie without a Bifrost to take him back (and assuming he couldn't use the tesseact again cause of whatever orders he was given), lets see what they do the moment the bifrost is fixed. See them testing their abilities on eachother in a less stressful environment. The 2 spies on the team regrouping with everyone right after Shield falls cause they don't have anywhere else to go anyway.
I agree, and the other comments actually confuse me. Sure, in the first movie they weren’t meant to be friends. BUT, obviously by the time of Civil War, we’re supposed to believe they’re close enough that this whole ‘breakup’ is super heartbreaking & difficult. Given how little they actually have any “not in crisis mode” interactions or even REFERENCES to offscreen “not in crisis mode” interactions, it plays more like coworkers fighting over the big boss’ new policy than friends having a moral conflict.
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Saying they werent friend in the first movie, and complaining about it, like duh the whole first movie was them meeting each other for the first time. Also, saying comic books they met up for everything like yeah thats what happens when you have to release a comic like every week across multiple serialization regardless of what happenes on the other comics.
Still they could have shown a little bit more of chemistry between them so that they felt even like a fraction of how close the actors feel. As for comics allowing for more moments between the team, I sure wish there was a visual medium that allowed for shorter more concise stories focusing on character interactions that also happened to release weekly. But the shows, which should do it, don't, they are just used as an extension of the next film so that they can take the time it would have required to have the exposition for the characters to get where they are (be it place, motivation or strength) and instead use it for more action scenes and bland, stale humor, like the example he mentions in WandaVision and Multiverse of Madness
Interesting topic. I don't think it was a problem that they were just close coworkers. They were still friends, just not best friends. But they should have developed their relationships when they decided to act like they were really close near the end.
Hey this was a great little professional MCU video, good to see from a smaller channel! Good sketch comedy and editing too. Improve your audio and you'll look even more established and professional.
I always got this vibe but I don't see why its a problem. There is nothing wrong with a professional relationship. Are you friends just because you beat people up together and wear colorful costumes?
If you’re building a universe based on these characters relationship and connection yeah it matters. The guardians are more of a team than the avengers
@@thomasjohnson1885 Nah we are watching them to see the Avengers fight stuff and to see how the story unfolds. There is nothing wrong with a professional relationship. I'm like that with some people in real life. That doesn't mean I dislike them you just act differently around certain people.
@@thomasjohnson1885 I feel like I would be like this if I were in a superhero team. I would show up fight people then want to sleep.
@@icecreamhero2375 And those members of the team are the ones people least care about. We care when Daredevil and Spidey team up outside of a team and help each other, we care when Banner is helping Tony same with Nat and Cap. However if you just show up, fight then peace out, not helping the team with other issues, then your less of a team player and just there to fight. Why do you think work does Work parties or Football teams celebrate together and hang out because in the long run having a close and better relationship makes the team stronger especially before big games like the premier league.
@@dillydraws "However if you just show up, fight then peace out, not helping the team with other issues, then your less of a team player and just there to fight." Not necessarily what if someone is a bit more introverted.
we had to make up scenarios to make them feel like they live under one roof
11:32 - the way I always saw it is Strange not wanting to go against Wanda. We can see why considering how powerful she is in that movie.
The whole point of the story is bringing togeher people with super powers and special abilities, with little in common to defeat other worldly beings. The internal conflict is beautiful because the audience is engaged and invested in their struggle to be a team and to win against evil. Theyre "earths mightiest heros" not mightiest team lol
Wow, so the avengers just didn’t give a shit about Tony’s death or Natasha’s since they’re just a group of heroes no connection just a job
@thomasjohnson1885 that is not even the point 🤦♂️
@@thomasjohnson1885 Bro, would you not be sad if your coworker died???
@@sbigbro Not to the point I’m calling them family. So cap was just lying?
@@Reformed1-e1c That’s the point you made by downplaying them being a team
But the success of phases 1-3 was that they were all disfunctional. It gave the films the tension missing in every later mcu film except Guardians 3 - because those characters were also a bickering family and that was where the humour and emotion came from.
They do the thing starwars use to do where they mixed media to tell the story letting comics and cartoons set up underlying character development so the movies can do the heavy lifting 🎉
Fanfic bleed-over into believing there's more than what's really on offer, I think, is very true. At the same time, I wouldn't chalk up all the confusion to it. Another source comes from the "average person" not caring / being as invested as all this as the "hardcore fan" or even the "average fan".
There are enough people who don't know that Madame Webb, Kraven, Morbius, and Venom are not part of the MCU - and it's not their job to care either.
I jumped off the hype-train years ago, but I've seen pretty much all the movies and shows - not all but most - and I can still keep most of the basics straight in my head. But I know people who could watch a couple of them back to back and not retain basic things. If you asked them "Do you remember this character from the last movie?", you'd probably have to jog their memory with specifics, or say the name of the actor/actress, because it simply doesn't matter to them (which is fine, albeit kind of annoying when trying to ask for thoughts on a movie haha).
I agree with you, keep dropping more content like this my brother. I’m trying to get started dropping similar type of videos. (Any advice for beginner creators?)
The best advice I can give you is what was given to me and that is: Just make stuff.
Don't focus on having the best equipment or what's popular/trending and is gonna get you the most views. Make what you want to make, something genuine and hopefully it'll find people who connect with it
You know maybe Tony was right about Wanda that she should have been behind bars before she started to play god with peoples lives and also in all Spider-Man media does everyone have a communication problem?
Wanda's problem was feeling alone and not being mentally strong enough to resist the darkhold. You think putting her behind bars is going to fix that? Pobably make it 10x worse. Plus you can't put someone behind bars just bedause they have the capacity to cause harm.
The title put me into a deep thought process to the point of which I said f it I better watch the vid to see if we're on the same wave length 😂
The Carol and Valkyrie relationship was a WTF moment.
After watching Suicide Squad I’m glad the Avengers weren’t that buddy buddy by the end.
With the SS one of them goes so far as to say this group of criminals forced to work together to stay alive for a few days is like his family. We didn’t need something like that with the Avengers. Better to let those relationships play over the course of various movies rather than forcing it into one
Well they did go to a bar during the end credits
@@Galvatronover
Just cuz you go to a bar with someone doesn’t mean you see them as family
avengers have a natural progression of friendship
I disagree a lot with this video would you be open to having a talk about this?
Have we read the comics? The Avengers are ELITE. There are friendships among them but they’re not all friends. A team that has a Super Soldier, a God, a Multi Billionaire SUPER Genius, a King, an Android, a lethal Spy, and a Sorceress???? Not everyone is going to get along y’know just like in real life jobs? If you have issues with the movies,(phases 1-3) you never read the comics. Period.
And…..the BIG 3 are indeed friends. That’s the one friendship that is clear as day! Comics and MCU. Age of Ultron ending demonstrates this and the anger between Cap and Tony over Civil war and in Endgame shows this. If they didn’t care about each other, “Betrayal” wouldn’t sting so bad!
So much money is tied up in a Movie, run times, pacing etc
everything you said would be addressed if they made standalone episodes on Disney + or TH-cam where you could see what you're asking for. GOG Christmas Special is the best example
On the one hand, I agree that I wish we saw more missions the team undertook; I particularly would’ve liked to see some missions post-Battle of New York but pre-War on HYDRA, but some post-AoU ones would be great, too. Tony alludes to “And then, and then, and then…” which basically means he was still on combat duty during that time, he didn’t retire as fully as we figured he was going to at the end of AoU.
In addition, though, yes, I’d love to see more low-key interaction between them at Avengers Tower and at the Compound. That was one thing I loved about What If? Season 2’s Happy saves Christmas episode: all of them are volunteering in NYC together, and they’re having a big party afterwards.
On the other hand, and I mean this with respect… I just don’t see what you’re arguing here. Yes, it could’ve been portrayed better, but I buy that they’re friends. Or, better, as Drax says in GotG Vol. 2: “We’re not friends. We’re family.”
Nah, not even that. I'm currently going through the movies again for the last time, that first Avengers movie is so dire when it comes to interactions, Bruce barely tolerates Natasha, Thor only talks with Shield people, and Tony and Steve hate each other. They do a bad job throughout the movies making their big team look like a quote unquote found family.
Edit: I have now finished Phase 3 and the amount of time they spent arguing and fighting amongst each other is greater than that of the time spent as alleged friends.
When Bruce mentioned that he tried to take his life. No one reacted. When Thor was struggling with depression, no one checked on him. The Avengers are horrible people.
They felt like a family by the 90 minute mark of the first movie in my opinion.
We didn't get enough of them feeling like a family, just in age of ultron and then civil war happens
Not really, they just felt like coworkers
These aren't the Super Friends, that's DC.
There are friendships within the team but the Avengers were never put together to be friends in the first place, they came together to combine their abilities to fight threats that they couldn't fight alone, not to share feelings. There was personality clashes In the comics from the very beginning, Hulk quit after in issue 2 and was replaced by Cap by issue 3, the entire team separated after issue 3 and Cap put together his own team made up of ex-criminals Hawkeye, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch by issue 4. Steve and Tony were never buddies in the comics, at least they're more friendly in the MCU and Bruce/Hulk has a lot more respect from everyone in the MCU, in the 616 the closest he has to a friend outside Rick Jones is Wolverine and they're just as likely to try and kill each other as team up.
If the MCU follows the 616 and they put together an Uncanny Avengers team they'll be even less friendly or trusting towards each other, especially if they allow a mutant to lead it like Rogue did in the 616.
Steve and Tony weren’t best friends ?but I think they hung out and talked they do have respect for each other
@@Galvatronover Usually they talked about how Tony was screwing up missions. Throughout the 80s, 90s and 2000s Tony was an alcoholic and it caused him to stop being Iron Man on more than one occasion, it became a theme in his storyline for three decades it was James Rhodes in the Iron Man suit that joined the West Coast Avengers and it was Rhodes in the suit during the 1st Secret Wars, they tried to keep it a secret and everyone thought it was Tony but he was too drunk most of the time. Tony was the one who wanted Cap out of the Illuminati and talked Dr. Strange into wiping his memories of anything to do do with the group. They aren't besties and never will be but they respect each other enough to be civil.
They're Earth's saviours, not buddies, gross.
Civil War highlighted that very reality.
If you ignore all the scenes of them being friends, then yeah 😂
Them hanging out at Clint’s house in AoU. Cap hanging out with Natasha for all of TWS. All of the scenes with Nat and Clint. When they’re all just laying on the floor and spitballing ideas in endgame. Vision and Wanda’s budding romance in Civil War. The mentor relationship between Iron Man and Spider-Man.
Like there’s so many examples that I’ve never heard this criticism of the MCU Avengers before.
The only reason they were at Clint's house because they needed a safe hideout. It wasn't just to hangout and chill. Also I'm pretty sure he means the entire group being friends not paired off in duos. We never see Clint and Thor's friendship, or Bruce and Clint's friendship or Bruce and Steve. Or Natasha and Thor. We only ever see Natasha being friends with Steve, Tony, and Clint. I never bought Tony and Steve's friendship. It seemed like they hardly tolerated each other. So i personally wasn't moved when Tony said he was Steve's friend because he really wasn't.
Tony and Peter have no positive relationship outside the hug and Tony and Steve have more of a rivalry than a friendship at times
"Tism tism tism" - bilbal baggins
apart from clint and natasha, they also did a decent job of making me believe tony and bruce plus natasha and steve were friends. bruce and tony were hanging out at the end of iron man 3 (technically the entirety of im3 lol) and nat came to peggy's memorial to support steve. they failed at every other dynamic tho. it was weird.
As much as I agree it would have been nice to see the avengers bonding more, it's important to remember that 1. The writers only have so much screen time each movie to get through everything and 2. Every time they involve the actors to make these scenes, it is costing millions of dollars in salaries alone.
Would it have been great to see more of Tony and Steve hanging out to add context to civil war? Of course. Am I gonna fault the writers for saving millions of dollars and minutes of screentime by alluding to that development offscreen? Probably not.
Hold on...Mini Groot is Groot's OFFSPRING? I thought he was growing when most of his body was destroyed in Gaurdians 1. The reason he was acting young again was yada yada alien plant something or another.
Yeah Gunn was insistent on death sticking, even with Gamora and Groot. I kinda respect it.
Uhhhh..bro, covid didn't stop them from having Strange in WandaVision. It's been known for a while now that they didn't want Strange, the white man, saving the day
I do agree with this and I mainly chalk this up along with most of the other MCU problems as a real lack of world and character building, the MCU has never been good at world building and I do think that in a way due to how they handled the Avengers as well as the whole nature of their stand alone films it did make it seem like the Avengers were more like co workers rather than friends. I mean Tony has a better and more convincing relationship with Rhodey than Cap in the MCU at certain points, although that did become more diluted as Rhodey appeared less and less frequently
Sat what?
As much as I love the MCU, this is a fair criticism with substance, and I can totally see where Phil is coming from. However, I do think this is simply a case of lost in translation like a lot of other adaptations. And when you think of how the MCU is set up with solo films and team-up films, it was going to be difficult to bring that aspect with it due to the process of big-budget filmmaking with famous A-list movie stars. Put it this way, when making a bunch of issues of Avengers comics, alongside their solo tie-ins, you don't have to worry about actor's salaries (people seem to forget that Robert Downey Jr. almost left the MCU after Iron Man 3 and almost didn’t appear in Age of Ultron after his initial contract expired and only came back after Disney agreed to pay him more money), their schedules, or in the case of the late Chadwick Boseman, a star in a huge franchise passing away just as you're about to go into production on a highly-anticipated sequel. Simply put, to make the films like what Phil was wanting, it would have just been too expensive to do so, with the exceptions of the X-Men films, in which there was the convenience of them all living together at Charles Xavier's estate, and only did occasional solo films like the three Wolverine films and the Deadpool films (which are really glorified parodies of Marvel films, well-made ones at that) or with Guardians of the Galaxy, in which there was the narrative excuse of them living in the ship or on Knowhere together.
This is why, as much as I love the MCU, after seeing the recent trend of standalone superhero films not tied to an interconnected constantly crossing over cinematic universe (Logan, Joker, The Batman) in which that character was the only superhero in that universe and said universes were segregated (or in the pre-MCU days, you never had Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man team up with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine or Christian Bale's Batman team up with Brandon Routh's Superman) because the only superhero you had to follow in say The Dark Knight Trilogy was Batman and his supporting cast. I will still show up to MCU films for as long as the show goes on, but let's try to get some standalone segregated universe films like Matt Reeves' The Batman again.
Also, kudos to Phil for making a video criticizing the MCU without doing the whole clickbait con artist schtick to performative fake rage about "woke SJWs" ruining the MCU like The Quarter Pounder, Geeks and Grifters, and Critically Drunk do.
I mean do we really need all hero teams to be friends, i mean yes some tems could be friends but i feel like not all teams should be friends, yeah the Avengers could have been great friends but at the same time i feel it's more realistic for them to be more like coworkers or close colleagues than actual friends
5:59 You play with your phone a lot while watching movies, don't you?
In terms of the young avengers i feel like kamala and america will get along since they are the youngest of the group, kate and cassie will get along since they are the next gen of avengers and eli and riri will get along, well, not to be racist but they are both black but i do hope everyone has a good relationship with each other
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They very much felt like a family in AoU tho, idk what you're talking about
They really don’t need to be friends
Wasn't the whole point of Civil War those "friends" breaking up?
Bro hasnt seen season 2 of what if😐
Not everyone you work with is your friend it's realistic
Then I'd really wish they'd stop trying to paint these coworkers as a quote unquote "found family" if they aren't interested in making them friends
Interesting 😃Take. Personal, I have no 😅Problem with the Avengers are not beeing friends, only people together fighting evil from time to time. This is how the Avengers were created in the first place in the Comics. They fight Loki and think it’s maybe a good idea to fight together. They not even knew each others secret identity at this point. The incredible Hulk was always hunted by other Superheroes and the army, why should he trust anybody of the Team? The Hulk even broke up with the Team and never really returned, working more with Dr. Strange and Prince Namor. The Guardians of the Galaxy 🌌 work so well as the found family Trope, because they have literal nothing else left outside. We talking about huge familiy problems, lost parents and murdered Wife and kids. The Avengers have a rather stable relationship outside the workplace. But I understand your frustration. Make more videos! 😃😃😃
thats why i never liked the comic this was based on ultimates where the avengers are all assholes
Age of ultron was legit peak avengers in terms of them being human and friends, something which was sorely missed in later missions. Tony and Natasha were friends back in Ironman 2 and Wanda and vision ofc were close and I guess Tony and vision should technically be close since he was Jarvis, and I guess if you really want to you can say Thor and hulk were friends but that’s about it. Part of the reason the actors are tired is because they aren’t allowed to have much fun while in role hence why Chris hemsworth got bored with the Thor role. Hell even in Loki everyone in that show everyone was friends
Based on the disabled dislike option that the internet does not agree with you .
They aren’t friends they are family lol
The Avengers aren’t really meant to be friends, look at earths mightiest hero’s for example, they don’t act like friends there either
It’s what happens when story, canon and the soul of the stories and characters are sacrificed for “The messages”.
interesting...my biggest problems with the mcu are the absolute garbage excuse for comedy that makes almost every character unlikable and the incredibly bland filmmaking that makes everything feel fake. Yes i understand these movies aren't supposed to be realistic but compare any mcu movie to the filmmaking in something like dune part 1 and 2, raimi's spider-man, lords of the rings, the dark knight trilogy, mad max fury road...the mcu doesn't come close
LOL THIS is what you think the problem is with the MCU? Not the bad choices the last few years, woke politics, agenda pushing and numerous badly written scripts? The last thing anyone cares about is if they're bickering with each other... we want good movies back again.
I blame late stage capitalism of neo liberalism. Anarcho communists like me actually know the power of friendship