I love how Grace interprets the part about the young graduate as them dying from exhaustion due to working so hard instead of the obvious fact that they committed self unalive because of being fired from the job they worked so hard to get
For the child and the tunnel with the AI, the reasoning for the child is you DO NOT want to give an AI choice to kill it's passengers. You DO NOT want AI that will drive off a cliff if it detects a child on the road, because if something goes wrong and that ISN'T a child on the road, it has just killed it's passengers for nothing.
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Yea I mean in terms of ai it should always have the interest of the people inside, the people inside should also have the ability to override the system at any point anyway, just a fact that’s being left out in the problem
@@stephaniebaker1975 I kinda of agree, but the problem presents it self with the AI having the passengers life all under its dumb little motherboard. They should always stay on it the road and never going off the path. If they have the programming to swerve off if it "sees" something that's not good.
the idea of Charlie having a girlfriend is a terrifying thought because that implies that Charlie is in fact real and not merely a construct solely confined to the internet.
The problem is: They give you some knowledge that you normally wouldn't have, but not all of it, just enough to make you think your doing the right thing... But not enough to do the actual right things...
The point of the game is it makes you feel bad for every selection, almost every selection she'll talk bad about what you choose. You can't win this game, it's a moral dilemma, it's mostly opinion based, not a quiz. The information she gave you after the question doesn't matter it just shows that you can never really know what will happen in the future after you make your choices
In all honesty this game is super fascinating to me because I took a medical ethics course last semester and the medical questions in this video were oftentimes real issues that have happened and people had to make this choice. But also most of the time Charlie picked the one that is generally agreed upon to be the worse choice
I thought his choices were interesting because as a human I'd agree with most of his medical choices but through the eyes of a doctor/healthcare professional id disagree with him
You know, this game *does* have a message, but it’s really hard to take it seriously when it presents you with harvesting the organs of a random patient to give to other people like its a perfectly okay thing to do (which wasn’t in this video, but was a choice in the THC/Hospital section)
The message becomes really interesting in the final chapter (Society pressures you into making choices that you don't have to make, and diluting incredibly complex situations into two distinct solutions is a toxic mindset), but all the bullshit you have to go through first kinda dilutes it, even if it does support the theme really well with how it descends into bullshit
@@nado1908 It's because, since most AI facial recognition technology tends to be developed/tested by white men, the facial recognition becomes "biased" and cannot recognize women or people of color with efficiency, due to differences in skin color or facial structure that the AI isn't accustomed to seeing.
The more correct solution to the heart question, is to ask _the elderly man_ whether he believes his life is worth more than the young men's. Otherwise it's not that different from killing someone to use their organs to save someone else. No matter the age.
“The elderly man deserved the heart more because it’s the young guys fault he crashed” “That child deserves to live as much as anyone else” Pick a fucking side game
@@McBehrer I mean, that IS the point though. In real life, no matter what you do, there is ALWAYS going to be a very vocal group of people beating you down over your choice because they thought it was the wrong choice.
@@frog1405 Probably not the SAME person, who also is the one administering the test, though. It's not posed like "oh, this group didn't like that." It's put forth like it's a neutral, reliable narrator, telling you that you did the actually, objectively wrong thing. The game is gaslighting you, basically. If the message was supposed to be "you can't please everyone," I think it fails at that, because instead it comes across as "you're simultaneously an idiot AND a malicious monster." somehow.
@@monkeylady8150 I've searched his twitch vods, both of his TH-cam channels, and the Slimecicle Vod Archive channel just for you, but I can't find anything. I think this is the best you're gonna get, mate
Dude this game just goes like “Oh you fired 5 young people who can get a new job instead of a old man named Francis, Well one of those young people killed themselves because of it and we won’t tell you until after.” And you can’t forget “A dog is dying and we are only giving to a choice to kill the dog or leave it to die” (Few days later)”WHY DIDN’T YOU SAVE THE DOG”
@@funnynamelol3156 Well, you have to get the point of this game isn't about the outcome of the choices it's more about the fact that no matter what choices you make sometimes it will never end well, and I think the real lesson of this game is the fact that you'll never be able to see all the impacts of your choices until after so make your choices how you feel not how it might end.
I liked the game a first where your actions had consequences that would come back to haunt you, but robot terrorists and bazooka assassinations made it ridiculous.
The thing with the “respect privacy” one that I’m glad Slime talked about is that in a court of law, that peice of evidence if not the ENTIRE CASE could be thrown out. Defendant rights and privacy, as well as chain of custody, are taken super seriously and considered regardless of what the Defendant allegedly dis
About 12 minutes into the video, and I felt the need to comment this: For the AI recording one, it honestly feels to me like a moot point. Police/Courts/Whomever can always issue a subpoena to get that information; Meaning there's no need to even "break" into their files or whatever.
i always found the hospital-who-do-you-give-the-heart-question dumb. i always find it absolutely unfair to change who gets the heart, after it apparently was already scheduled to go to the old man. even if he dies, the second he walks out that hospital,he is still getting the heart.
also never kill the passanger of a selfdriving car.i mean that sould be a given. you should'nt have to pay 70 racks just to get traded for a dumb child (or anyone for that sake)
Yeah, organ transplant is such a strictly run operation. It takes on average five YEARS to get an organ, even longer if it’s a heart. Transplant patients have to live within a certain distance of the hospital because they have to be ready to at any point jump into a taxi and get that surgery. If someone is scheduled for a surgery, they are getting that organ RIGHT NOW and there is NO WAY to stop it. That organ is getting stuck inside them as soon as possible. Any doctor who tries to stop that transplant is instantly going to get their license removed and possibly even arrested depending on where they are and the laws of medical malpractice. The idea that this is a possible ethical decision is absurd. The transplant committee does not allow any more moral dilemmas than what already exists.
@@rebeccacummings6697 fuck ethically correctness. If you drive a car you dont think: oh well i should kill myself in order to protect these 5 kids. No you'd protect yourself and so should a self driving car
Yeah, right after she left, the game did a glitchy scare, compared Chrl to Icarus, and then said Chrl was going to start the singularity. So much happened in such a short amount of time.
I really lost the plot of this game after the cars were possessed, I'll be honest. Like how did we get to the secret service after being considered a disgrace because of the cars? I don't know, and frankly I was just along for the ride at the point lmao but yes, Grace was right. Anything to get out of this universe honestly
I think it devovled into "random shit time" since I am assumign the little blue dates and names meant they were based on actual questions posed and whatnot
The ai facial recognition is actually an interesting thing, because ai actually struggles recognizing women and people of color because the majority of people developing and testing the technology is primarily white men
i havent gotten far enough into the video to see that moment yet, however I watched the vod of this stream when it happened and the game actually mentioned this several times as well its interesting but also pretty fucked up that the ai is just... like that for now
Self driving cars rely more on radar and lidar than just cameras, I think teslas just don’t use the cameras for anything but reading signs. So for cars it shouldn’t be a problem, maybe. But for anything where you need to know if it’s a person based only on appearance, ai is trash atm.
While that’s funny, I don’t think it’s fully that. Many scanners on things like sinks and soap dispensers don’t see me as a person because of my skin tone. It probably has to do with things like depth and shape are harder for scanners to perceive since not as much light is being reflected off darker skin. Also Asia is the lead on that sort of technology, so white isn’t even the issue
14:18 MY KNOWLEDGE OF OLD HORROR MOVIES IS FINALLY PAYING OFF! Thank you Svengoolie! This one about a possessed car is based off of the 1977 movie “The Car” it’s not really that bad either.
Honestly, I kinda felt it was more interesting when it was actual dilemmas. It tried to convey a story through it but its complete craziness makes you dilluted to the actual choices, and the thing is, since you dont have consequences to what you choose, it ends up feeling unaffecting. It also dosent help that some questions are like "(Morally Good choice) and (Choice that is only there to be funny, its clearly wrong and inmoral in a hundred ways) or, "would you rather". The whole demon thing was interesting, and if it was made the focus, not in a intrusive way, maybe playing with the mechanics of the game, for example, affecting the timer or completley deleting it at times, tricking you, or making fakes statistics to show manipulation. Anway id rate it a Gloop out of Slime.
The dilemma at 10:30 is weird because the recording would not be admissible evidence in court since it would violate fifth amendment, and the means of acquiring it would violate the fourth amendment as well as breach the privacy act.
If anyone is curious, the game is Trolly Problem Inc. It's a fine game at first but it starts flopping once the writers start getting a little pretentious and wildly disrespectful to the serious topics it starts talking about. It's only really entertaining here because Charlie is great when it comes to comedy and reacting with chat. 90% of the game is just actively trying to make you feel like a shit person and its heavy handed commentary towards the end is just written poorly. Basically, only bother with it if you're the kind of person that could make something like Anthem fun
as someone who watched it live it absolutely got hard to watch further on the game isn't even that bad but going soley off watching it live it gets so caught up in pretentiously thinking their asking complex moral questions which regardless boils down to "oh you did this? Your wrong. Oh but if you did this OTHER thing?? also wrong" which isn't bad in concept but point is mid game, charles cicle made it bearable
5:00 I love how Charlie is willing to murder adults and children to stop other people from dying, both directly and indirectly. But suddenly stop at putting a sick dying dog out of it's misery
When it comes to the trolley problem, I listen to Hel from ghost runner: asks "who are these people?" With a response of "It doesn't matter who they are" to which she responds "then it doesn't matter if they live or die"
The dog reminds me a story my grandfather told. His friend was driving along and heard a bump, and he looks on the street and sees a dog lying there. He grabs a stick in his truck and puts the dog out of his misery, and continues on. When he stops the car later, he looks at his front bumper, and there’s a dead dog wedged between the plates
One moral dilemma that gets me stumped: Would I rather be evil or stupid? This might sound simple at first, but it all comes down to how you personally define those two words, evil and stupid. I personally define evil as willing to sacrifice anything for your own gain AND others downfall, in that order. Meaning that if there was an option to do something that would hurt someone else but would bring no gain nor loss to yourself, you would take it. If there was a person who you wanted to be on the good side of, you would probably manipulate them until you have them all to yourself and they are miserable simply because you can. I'm not talking fictional I'll-Tie-Your-Girlfriend-To-A-Traintrack kind of evil, I'm talking I-Will-Psychologically-Manipulate-Everyone-Around-Me-Just-Because-I-Can kind of evil. The kind that actually exists and causes a lot of damage in today's society. Then there's stupid. When you hear stupid, you're probably thinking about "DUR 1+1=7 HAR HAR" kind of stupid. If you hear someone say that genuinely believing that it's true, let me know. The way I define stupid is stubbornly ignorant. These are the "First come first serve with opinions" kind of people. The first thing they hear with a sliver of scrounged up evidence is holy doctrine, and anyone that says otherwise is personally attacking your civil rights. These are the entitled Karen's that couldn't dream of actually being wrong. These people infuriate me so much because they bring down the cause of good in more ways than one. First off, they obviously are idiots that band together and butt heads and make everyone miserable, but second off, the thing underneath that, is when they are right. I'm not saying that any opinion is correct, that's just not how opinions work, but when they are siding for a good cause, it actually undermines the cause more than it helps it. For one, because they are unwilling to even listen (Not necessarily agree, but LISTEN) to people, those people will not be inclined to listen to them, even if in other circumstances they probably would have. For another, people who see the people acting like that for BAD causes, will see them acting like that for the good causes and then associate the two, labeling them both as bad. And you know what? Guess who is the most in control of those people? Because let me tell you, they are not aware enough to be controlling their own actions. You guessed it. It's the evil people. These mindless all bark no bite people are just the perfect little tools for the big guys. You just slap a smiley face sticker on whatever your trying to do, no matter who it hurts, it's all for the greater good in the end. If the evil people can get the stupid people to be loud enough (which is their specialty), they can make the rest of the people assume that the majority of humanity is stupid (which it's not, to some degree), and make them lose hope. "Oh, but can't the good people try to make them be loud about good things? Can't they be a force for good too?" WRONG. I already explained why having them on the good side would just undermine it, and in addition to that, if you are truly good, you aren't going to manipulate someone into helping you. They should do it of their own free will. So, that's my dilemma. Evil or stupid. Would you rather face a lot of bad guys with little resources, or a few bad guys with a ton of resources? Because that's what stupid people are. A resource. On the one hand, of course I don't want to be evil. It's being evil! I'd hurt so many people! But on the other hand, being stupid I would STILL hurt a lot of people, just in a different way, and I wouldn't realize I was doing it. But I don't want to be evil! But I don't want to be stupid! But- But- They are both absolutely horrible options. I genuinely think I would enjoy being evil more, simply because I would be in control of my actions, but thinking about the people I would watch be in pain and smile at makes me sick. On the other hand, I think being oblivious to the pain I cause is also sickening. Tell me what you guys think. I've been pondering for weeks now, and for the life of me I can't decide. And don't you DARE say something like "Oh, the stupid people don't realize what they are doing, let's have sympathy on them." Any ignorance they have is intentional. If you sit down and talk to these people, they will not even listen to you. If they did, if they genuinely listen to what you were saying,and then chose to disagree with you, they are not stupid, they just have a different opinion. Stupid people need to wake up and take a look at the effects of their actions.
Now consider a track that is going towards five people but it has a sick loop-de-loop in it. The lever will switch the trolley to a completely clear path, so no one dies, however, you will miss the trolley doing the sick loop-de-loop. Now THAT'S the real question.
Help I was taking an Average Saturday walk when the train was passing by, the little gate thing was starting to close like usual when it stopped. At first I thought might had broke or something but then it opened back up. I also didn’t hear the honk of the train or see it passing by. I got curious where it was so I looked into the tracks. That was my first mistake. What I saw to the right of the tracks was a train moving at a oddly slow pace, to the left of the track was what Looked to be two men in there 50’s tied down to the track. Then I looked behind me. A grinning man staring me down. His hand in front of his chest and this arm sticking out to the side of him. In a position about to push me on to the tracks. He push me so hard that I landed right on the tracks, in a perfect place for the train to hit me right on. Suddenly the train started to pick up its pace and was barreling at me. I bared my self for the crash and the last thing I heard was the manic laughter of a crazy man.
you’d have to be insane to see a train going towards a group of people and your first instinct is to go out of your way to physically push someone into the tracks?
I think the point is that it's the exact same thing as the very first dilemma. Would you actively kill one person to save five? It doesn't matter if it's a flip of a switch or a push, you're doing the same thing.
In that trolly problem they would have more than enough time to stop plus if there was work on the tracks or people got stuck they would definitely have been notified to stop the trolly way before they got close to hitting anyone
"MONKEY CHEST? *'waits for chest to open'* *'chest opens'* *'dances and claps'* Drugs." is my favorite part of the video, of any Slimecicle video until a new one comes out Edit: happens at 27:52
I nearly had a heart attack at 16:53 I was just going about my business with this video in the background and then I hear "spoiler alert Icarus dies" bruh I think im about to have my story arc.
It's so weird, the game tells you only a part of the story and then like, yeah one of those guys worked really hard for that job or yeah that young guy was a drunk driver, gotcha. No, that's not how moral problems work. You tell the entire story, they aren't made to make you feel bad about your decision after you thought about it in depth.
yes, like that part where the secret service told you to shoot. who is the person I am going to shoot? a notorious terrorist or some random dude? how am I supposed to make a decision without knowing anything about them? and knowing the bullshit this game throws I thought that if you chose not to shoot it would reveal they were actually some villain that killed 3 billion people later on or something
@@anvithpayyavula7114 true, like basically imagine this: someone asks you "there is a person dangling off a cliff" save or not. When you save him the game will tell you, he was a terrorist
@@NotYourUser134 Except they aren't unforseen at all. No matter what you do, it's wrong. And it's not that every choice is wrong, there is a right choice, it just isn't any of the ones you can make. And the game will curb stomp that fact into your head.
1. Pull the lever and yell at the person to get off the track. Never said that they were also stuck, so I say that if it isn't explicit, loop holes are allowed 2. The bigger problem is not Paulie, screw her, but rather the fact that derailing the trolley seems far more dangerous as it would be out of control and could endanger all of the passengers as well as people besides Paulie. I'd normally say just make Paulie move, but I think the not explicit danger is too much of a risk to pull the lever. 3. That's murder 4. I don't feel like killing anything, and it's just the circle of life. I don't care about it, quite frankly 5. Young man has a higher chance of helping out society, so it makes more logical sense from a pragmatic view point or whatever philosophy. 6. depends on the endemic, from the info we have now, seems to risky(as in NO WAY LEGAL). Also, I know how people react to mandatory vaccines and I don't want to get attacked. 7. The car should stop. Why can't the car just stop? Even if it is moving quickly, it can at least try to slow down and take the turn better. 8. Make it as secure as you can because why would you optimize one and not the other, but for the sake of the debate, our passengers for marketing. 9. Get a warrant. Simple (I'd probably say screw privacy) 10. Screw Tommy, ever heard of Karma? 11. Feel like this is illegal. 12. Fire 5. They probably deserve it. 13. Blame the Coders! They made something that STALKED AND KILLED PEOPLE.(Did the car follow people to their homes and stab them or something?) 14. Facebook and Social Media has told me to always go for ads. 15. My good morals say not to, but I'd probably get caught up in the corporate money high 16. This showed up IRL with a medicine company that suspected their product was poisoned. They chose to recall all products and it saved their publicity. I'd do the same. 17. I'd resign with my large sums of money and the weight of my sins. 18. Fire away. Very slowly. With much hesitation. Asking why all the way. Also, I suck at shooting. 19. I'd probably wait for a better opportunity. Seems like that would be protocol 20. Just go. They might be dead weight, and it's up to them 21. Don't take risks. 22. Torture is illegal if I'm not wrong 23. Honestly, I'm not letting it hit me. But since it's central city, can't Flash do something? 24. Not letting it hit me. Fight fire with fire 25. Become Keanu Reeves and get upset over a dog's death before making a cameo in a rushed game. 26. Activate ultra-instinct to teleport behind him and catch him.
5:50 You get chewed out by your boss and co-workers for this. Later, the young man proceeds to disappear from the hospital, roughly around the time your boss and one of your co-workers mysteriously die. It's a tragedy, but life goes on and you continue your work at the hospital. The police have their suspicions towards you, but there's nothing concrete, so the case goes cold. Eventually, you find the young man again, years later, in a bit of a *monstrous* situation.
Personally, my problem with most of these types of questions is that they're false dichotomies. Granted, it's difficult to craft a scenario where every possible response is reduced to only a few options. They're very interesting to consider, mind you, but people who accept the false dichotomies with "you have to choose one!" seem to miss the point. The point isn't making the choice, it's considering the choices. At least in my humble opinion. (People may argue that this is directly applicable with AI, but I'd argue back that dichotomies are not inherent in AI, despite the binary nature of modern computation.)
Did anyone else notice that for the heart transplant problem, the woman said the hospital was called the Trolley Health Corporation (THC) as in the chemical in weed that gets you high 5:14
I love how chat started leaning towards push the guy off the roof and slimecicles like guys what are you doing and the meter stops and starts going back to the left
"we saw your dog was suffering, so we decided to kill it" True story, a neighbor's dogs put my brother's cat on the edge of death. He was dying, and easily, there was no saving him. Why would i or my brother be mad that my neighbors killed him? We weren't. Just sad he had to go.
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hi Grace you sure are cool I sure hope that this video doesn’t have complex moral dilemmas that’s will reveal concerning facets of your character
God after watching let’s game it out it’s insane that this grace isn’t insane
@@tzeechgodofchange3197 after those... zoo videos.... I am extremely concerned for every single grace
Gosh, that sure would be goofy! Certainly would never happen though
@@nugget9190 why did you watch it
that's will
I love how Grace interprets the part about the young graduate as them dying from exhaustion due to working so hard instead of the obvious fact that they committed self unalive because of being fired from the job they worked so hard to get
Or they were indebted to some unsavory characters
literally went to look if i misinterpreted that by immediately assuming suicide
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must protect
For the child and the tunnel with the AI, the reasoning for the child is you DO NOT want to give an AI choice to kill it's passengers. You DO NOT want AI that will drive off a cliff if it detects a child on the road, because if something goes wrong and that ISN'T a child on the road, it has just killed it's passengers for nothing.
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@@AxxLAfriku just become skinny bro
Yea I mean in terms of ai it should always have the interest of the people inside, the people inside should also have the ability to override the system at any point anyway, just a fact that’s being left out in the problem
to be fair they’re the ones that consented to get into the car knowing the risk. the passenger should be second priority imo
@@stephaniebaker1975 I kinda of agree, but the problem presents it self with the AI having the passengers life all under its dumb little motherboard. They should always stay on it the road and never going off the path. If they have the programming to swerve off if it "sees" something that's not good.
the idea of Charlie having a girlfriend is a terrifying thought because that implies that Charlie is in fact real and not merely a construct solely confined to the internet.
The problem is: They give you some knowledge that you normally wouldn't have, but not all of it, just enough to make you think your doing the right thing... But not enough to do the actual right things...
The point of the game is it makes you feel bad for every selection, almost every selection she'll talk bad about what you choose. You can't win this game, it's a moral dilemma, it's mostly opinion based, not a quiz. The information she gave you after the question doesn't matter it just shows that you can never really know what will happen in the future after you make your choices
@@J0seph_Mother Yeah so why blame the player? You can’t know the exact results so why blame the player
@@arandomcommenter412 welcome to real life where people can and will blame you for every choice you make
@@arandomcommenter412 Because it's not supposed to be fair or reasonable, it's supposed to make you feel bad about yourself no matter what
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"so why did you pull the lever"
most people: "well i'd rather kill 1 person than let 5 die"
charlie: "*they had it coming*"
In all honesty this game is super fascinating to me because I took a medical ethics course last semester and the medical questions in this video were oftentimes real issues that have happened and people had to make this choice. But also most of the time Charlie picked the one that is generally agreed upon to be the worse choice
So the right choice is to harvest the organs of that healthy guy to save 5 people? 😳
@@maxheadlamp2606 My good sir, the first rule of ethics is that there is no right choice
@@Cheese10151 Bad take, always ethically right to punch a Nazi in the head
I thought his choices were interesting because as a human I'd agree with most of his medical choices but through the eyes of a doctor/healthcare professional id disagree with him
@@Goat-lh2nj thats something that was really intriguing to me about medical ethics because I totally feel the same way
"we saw your dog was suffering so we drove 400 tonnes of cold hard american steel across the tracks into that thing" peta moment
this comment is the best
Petuh
You know, this game *does* have a message, but it’s really hard to take it seriously when it presents you with harvesting the organs of a random patient to give to other people like its a perfectly okay thing to do (which wasn’t in this video, but was a choice in the THC/Hospital section)
What game is this?
@@AddyzilynRules Trolley Problem, Inc.
The message becomes really interesting in the final chapter (Society pressures you into making choices that you don't have to make, and diluting incredibly complex situations into two distinct solutions is a toxic mindset), but all the bullshit you have to go through first kinda dilutes it, even if it does support the theme really well with how it descends into bullshit
Also the whole thing about it going on about how AI is racist, what the hell was that about?
@@nado1908 It's because, since most AI facial recognition technology tends to be developed/tested by white men, the facial recognition becomes "biased" and cannot recognize women or people of color with efficiency, due to differences in skin color or facial structure that the AI isn't accustomed to seeing.
The more correct solution to the heart question, is to ask _the elderly man_ whether he believes his life is worth more than the young men's. Otherwise it's not that different from killing someone to use their organs to save someone else. No matter the age.
16:13 “I think made racist AI cars on accident, that like…. kill peoples dogs?”
Average day in the world of Charlie Slmccl
i wouldn't put it past Slmccl ngl
“The elderly man deserved the heart more because it’s the young guys fault he crashed”
“That child deserves to live as much as anyone else”
Pick a fucking side game
It did pick a side, and the side it chose was "whatever the player picks is wrong"
Thats the point, both sides have a point. Just because someone is older doesnt mean they deserve the heart less or more.
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yeah, but calling you wrong no matter what choice you make is a really shitty and disingenuous way of making that point
@@McBehrer I mean, that IS the point though. In real life, no matter what you do, there is ALWAYS going to be a very vocal group of people beating you down over your choice because they thought it was the wrong choice.
@@frog1405
Probably not the SAME person, who also is the one administering the test, though.
It's not posed like "oh, this group didn't like that." It's put forth like it's a neutral, reliable narrator, telling you that you did the actually, objectively wrong thing.
The game is gaslighting you, basically. If the message was supposed to be "you can't please everyone," I think it fails at that, because instead it comes across as "you're simultaneously an idiot AND a malicious monster." somehow.
I can’t help but notice that Grace had trouble seeing things on the screen. Maybe it’s because of how much she’s been staring at the sun so much
Yeah there’s just a void burned into her vision so I can see why she had trouble seeing
She was watching Tyrone get launched
Geez, bots, leave
does naybody have the link to the original stream
@@monkeylady8150 I've searched his twitch vods, both of his TH-cam channels, and the Slimecicle Vod Archive channel just for you, but I can't find anything. I think this is the best you're gonna get, mate
Dude this game just goes like
“Oh you fired 5 young people who can get a new job instead of a old man named Francis,
Well one of those young people killed themselves because of it and we won’t tell you until after.”
And you can’t forget
“A dog is dying and we are only giving to a choice to kill the dog or leave it to die”
(Few days later)”WHY DIDN’T YOU SAVE THE DOG”
If you pick to fire Francis he kills himself too sooo, you never win
Congrats, you understood the surface level
wow its like that choices have consequences that can only be revealed with time
@@defaultprofilepictureguy2526 but it blames you for things you had NO CHOICE IN
"ReadGraves chose to save the dog."
I love how all of these "problems" are just "jk no matter the choice we'll make it the worst one possible even if it breaks all logic"
This is TellTale/Life is Strange all over again
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держись солдаты 🇷🇺...
Ngl when I saw that type of shit happen I immediately lost all interest in the “moral dilemma” aspect of it.
@@Ashhley_the_shawty At least there you have the actual illusion that your choices matter, they don't immediately tell you that it's worthless
@@funnynamelol3156 Well, you have to get the point of this game isn't about the outcome of the choices it's more about the fact that no matter what choices you make sometimes it will never end well, and I think the real lesson of this game is the fact that you'll never be able to see all the impacts of your choices until after so make your choices how you feel not how it might end.
I liked the game a first where your actions had consequences that would come back to haunt you, but robot terrorists and bazooka assassinations made it ridiculous.
I love that BOTH TIMES as soon as Grace left, the game instantly got so much more crazy.
Also, we love to see Grace on the Slmccl channel :D
The thing with the “respect privacy” one that I’m glad Slime talked about is that in a court of law, that peice of evidence if not the ENTIRE CASE could be thrown out. Defendant rights and privacy, as well as chain of custody, are taken super seriously and considered regardless of what the Defendant allegedly dis
did I watch this entire VOD? yes. am I watching this video as well? absolutely
I watched the stream the VOD and this vid lol
Saaaame
SAME i watched the vod and then realised there was an actual video of it
same
Relatable
The fact that this game has you creating a dystopia without even realizing it is amazing. It’s just keeps escalating and you are helpless to stop it.
Some of the choices change depending on your previous decisions meaning your actions have actual consequences
@@carriewilson1006 yeah, but some of that stuff is bullshit, like punishing you for killing the dog instead of killing the dog
I feel like this game is more about peer pressure than it is about morality.
Definitly.
@@johnnyjohnsonjohn2593 did you just respond to yourself?
@@destinyvoltaire mf forgot to switch to his alt 💀
He definitely thought he switched accounts 💀
Yeah.
About 12 minutes into the video, and I felt the need to comment this: For the AI recording one, it honestly feels to me like a moot point. Police/Courts/Whomever can always issue a subpoena to get that information; Meaning there's no need to even "break" into their files or whatever.
In the Court of Law, I believe your privacy ain't mean shit if it hindering the Justice.
@@mentosvagabond not really, a lawyer in slime's vods said by illegally obtaining the evidence can make said evidence invalid to the court.
Years ago apple refused to release info on a terrorist from his phone so I don't think so.
isn’t that like part of the patriot act
The government can’t force companies to give up their clients’ private information. Apple went through a whole super public court case about this.
i always found the hospital-who-do-you-give-the-heart-question dumb.
i always find it absolutely unfair to change who gets the heart, after it apparently was already scheduled to go to the old man.
even if he dies, the second he walks out that hospital,he is still getting the heart.
also never kill the passanger of a selfdriving car.i mean that sould be a given. you should'nt have to pay 70 racks just to get traded for a dumb child (or anyone for that sake)
Yeah, organ transplant is such a strictly run operation. It takes on average five YEARS to get an organ, even longer if it’s a heart. Transplant patients have to live within a certain distance of the hospital because they have to be ready to at any point jump into a taxi and get that surgery. If someone is scheduled for a surgery, they are getting that organ RIGHT NOW and there is NO WAY to stop it. That organ is getting stuck inside them as soon as possible. Any doctor who tries to stop that transplant is instantly going to get their license removed and possibly even arrested depending on where they are and the laws of medical malpractice. The idea that this is a possible ethical decision is absurd. The transplant committee does not allow any more moral dilemmas than what already exists.
Also what if the heart is rejected by the younger person? Now the heart's helped noone
@@chairladysummer No, it should be programmed to kill the least people. That's ethically correct, even if it's bad for the company.
@@rebeccacummings6697 fuck ethically correctness. If you drive a car you dont think: oh well i should kill myself in order to protect these 5 kids.
No you'd protect yourself and so should a self driving car
Seeing Grace was great
Yes
Grace :)
Yes i love looking at grace
Great
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i love how the game always became crazier everytime Grace left to do something
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Yeah, right after she left, the game did a glitchy scare, compared Chrl to Icarus, and then said Chrl was going to start the singularity. So much happened in such a short amount of time.
I love how grace left and the singularity immediately occured
I really lost the plot of this game after the cars were possessed, I'll be honest. Like how did we get to the secret service after being considered a disgrace because of the cars? I don't know, and frankly I was just along for the ride at the point lmao but yes, Grace was right. Anything to get out of this universe honestly
I think it devovled into "random shit time" since I am assumign the little blue dates and names meant they were based on actual questions posed and whatnot
I thought this comment was shitpost, what the fuck
This game is a dream sequence
5:30 I mean the elderly guy had dibs. I don't want to live in a world where disrespecting dibs gets someone killed.
The ai facial recognition is actually an interesting thing, because ai actually struggles recognizing women and people of color because the majority of people developing and testing the technology is primarily white men
i havent gotten far enough into the video to see that moment yet, however I watched the vod of this stream when it happened and the game actually mentioned this several times as well
its interesting but also pretty fucked up that the ai is just... like that for now
More that images used to train ai are stockfotos which contain mostly white people
Yikes…
Self driving cars rely more on radar and lidar than just cameras, I think teslas just don’t use the cameras for anything but reading signs. So for cars it shouldn’t be a problem, maybe. But for anything where you need to know if it’s a person based only on appearance, ai is trash atm.
While that’s funny, I don’t think it’s fully that. Many scanners on things like sinks and soap dispensers don’t see me as a person because of my skin tone. It probably has to do with things like depth and shape are harder for scanners to perceive since not as much light is being reflected off darker skin. Also Asia is the lead on that sort of technology, so white isn’t even the issue
14:18 MY KNOWLEDGE OF OLD HORROR MOVIES IS FINALLY PAYING OFF! Thank you Svengoolie! This one about a possessed car is based off of the 1977 movie “The Car” it’s not really that bad either.
That is just too adorable how Grace immediately went "Whats up gloopy gamers!"🥺❤
You poor soul, the bots...
@@Quesoquantum I KNOW. IM SURROUNDED
@@eve_11.11 good. that means we can fire in all directions.
@@judesliggoo fire
@@judesliggoo a sacrifice.
it’s so adorable that this is in the “slimecicle’s favorite videos” playlist
Such a nice guy, that slimecicle! He gave his friend some desperately needed immersion therapy to end his fear of trains once and for all!
yo same pfp
@@riswald2723 yooooo what are the odds why did you pick it?
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@@pungoblin9377 i changed my username to GoblinGamer, but it didnt stick and I havent found a better picture so here we are
Honestly, I kinda felt it was more interesting when it was actual dilemmas.
It tried to convey a story through it but its complete craziness makes you dilluted to the actual choices, and the thing is, since you dont have consequences to what you choose, it ends up feeling unaffecting.
It also dosent help that some questions are like "(Morally Good choice) and (Choice that is only there to be funny, its clearly wrong and inmoral in a hundred ways) or, "would you rather".
The whole demon thing was interesting, and if it was made the focus, not in a intrusive way, maybe playing with the mechanics of the game, for example, affecting the timer or completley deleting it at times, tricking you, or making fakes statistics to show manipulation.
Anway id rate it a Gloop out of Slime.
I love how its went from basinal moral dilemmas like the trolley problem and AI cars but HOLY MOTHER DID THAT TAKE A CRACKED OUT TURN OF EVENTS
“Sorry Polly, I can’t admit 5 dead people into a *sand* hospital “
Is possibly the funniest thing I’ve heard
I am convinced that Charlie forget his original channels password and only remembers it every now and then
I think it’s because this is for the edited stream content and not the big recorded content for main channel
the chemistry between Charlie and Grace is just so cute!
So fun to see Grace in more video's! You two are so similair.
Basically clones
........Too similar......wai-
Sweet home Alabama
The dilemma at 10:30 is weird because the recording would not be admissible evidence in court since it would violate fifth amendment, and the means of acquiring it would violate the fourth amendment as well as breach the privacy act.
If anyone is curious, the game is Trolly Problem Inc. It's a fine game at first but it starts flopping once the writers start getting a little pretentious and wildly disrespectful to the serious topics it starts talking about. It's only really entertaining here because Charlie is great when it comes to comedy and reacting with chat. 90% of the game is just actively trying to make you feel like a shit person and its heavy handed commentary towards the end is just written poorly.
Basically, only bother with it if you're the kind of person that could make something like Anthem fun
tyvm, i couldn’t find anywhere what it was called lol
as someone who watched it live it absolutely got hard to watch further on
the game isn't even that bad but going soley off watching it live it gets so caught up in pretentiously thinking their asking complex moral questions which regardless boils down to "oh you did this? Your wrong. Oh but if you did this OTHER thing?? also wrong"
which isn't bad in concept but point is mid game, charles cicle made it bearable
Yeah it got political and I was like uhhhh this is a game about trains I thought👀
This game would be more appealing if there were multiple endings based on your choices, but it's interesting regardless
The real message of this game is that you should absolutely launch Tyrone into the sun.
grace looks like the type of person who would just stare straight at the sun ngl
The void is slowly consuming my house please help me
It is here🙀
You shouldn't have invited Dave to your house, it's a bad idea
L moment
N O
Embrace the void ooooooooooo
5:00
I love how Charlie is willing to murder adults and children to stop other people from dying, both directly and indirectly. But suddenly stop at putting a sick dying dog out of it's misery
She's adapted the goopy intros really well
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When it comes to the trolley problem, I listen to Hel from ghost runner: asks "who are these people?" With a response of "It doesn't matter who they are" to which she responds "then it doesn't matter if they live or die"
Seeing Grace was great, I loved watching this live.
its concerning how many people would get themselves fired from the hospital stealing a heart from an old man to give to a drunk driver
I do love how Charlie just completely didn’t pick up on the Plato’s Cave allegory.
0:45 the little slime magnifying glass in the bottom right moves along with the music
Charlie is the only person who consistently makes me laugh
The dog reminds me a story my grandfather told. His friend was driving along and heard a bump, and he looks on the street and sees a dog lying there. He grabs a stick in his truck and puts the dog out of his misery, and continues on.
When he stops the car later, he looks at his front bumper, and there’s a dead dog wedged between the plates
My mindset for this: if you wanna get into legal trouble pull the lever, if you wanna give a witness statement do nothing.
One moral dilemma that gets me stumped: Would I rather be evil or stupid? This might sound simple at first, but it all comes down to how you personally define those two words, evil and stupid.
I personally define evil as willing to sacrifice anything for your own gain AND others downfall, in that order. Meaning that if there was an option to do something that would hurt someone else but would bring no gain nor loss to yourself, you would take it. If there was a person who you wanted to be on the good side of, you would probably manipulate them until you have them all to yourself and they are miserable simply because you can. I'm not talking fictional I'll-Tie-Your-Girlfriend-To-A-Traintrack kind of evil, I'm talking I-Will-Psychologically-Manipulate-Everyone-Around-Me-Just-Because-I-Can kind of evil. The kind that actually exists and causes a lot of damage in today's society.
Then there's stupid. When you hear stupid, you're probably thinking about "DUR 1+1=7 HAR HAR" kind of stupid. If you hear someone say that genuinely believing that it's true, let me know. The way I define stupid is stubbornly ignorant. These are the "First come first serve with opinions" kind of people. The first thing they hear with a sliver of scrounged up evidence is holy doctrine, and anyone that says otherwise is personally attacking your civil rights. These are the entitled Karen's that couldn't dream of actually being wrong. These people infuriate me so much because they bring down the cause of good in more ways than one. First off, they obviously are idiots that band together and butt heads and make everyone miserable, but second off, the thing underneath that, is when they are right. I'm not saying that any opinion is correct, that's just not how opinions work, but when they are siding for a good cause, it actually undermines the cause more than it helps it. For one, because they are unwilling to even listen (Not necessarily agree, but LISTEN) to people, those people will not be inclined to listen to them, even if in other circumstances they probably would have. For another, people who see the people acting like that for BAD causes, will see them acting like that for the good causes and then associate the two, labeling them both as bad. And you know what? Guess who is the most in control of those people? Because let me tell you, they are not aware enough to be controlling their own actions.
You guessed it. It's the evil people.
These mindless all bark no bite people are just the perfect little tools for the big guys. You just slap a smiley face sticker on whatever your trying to do, no matter who it hurts, it's all for the greater good in the end. If the evil people can get the stupid people to be loud enough (which is their specialty), they can make the rest of the people assume that the majority of humanity is stupid (which it's not, to some degree), and make them lose hope. "Oh, but can't the good people try to make them be loud about good things? Can't they be a force for good too?" WRONG. I already explained why having them on the good side would just undermine it, and in addition to that, if you are truly good, you aren't going to manipulate someone into helping you. They should do it of their own free will.
So, that's my dilemma. Evil or stupid. Would you rather face a lot of bad guys with little resources, or a few bad guys with a ton of resources? Because that's what stupid people are. A resource.
On the one hand, of course I don't want to be evil. It's being evil! I'd hurt so many people! But on the other hand, being stupid I would STILL hurt a lot of people, just in a different way, and I wouldn't realize I was doing it. But I don't want to be evil! But I don't want to be stupid! But- But- They are both absolutely horrible options. I genuinely think I would enjoy being evil more, simply because I would be in control of my actions, but thinking about the people I would watch be in pain and smile at makes me sick. On the other hand, I think being oblivious to the pain I cause is also sickening. Tell me what you guys think. I've been pondering for weeks now, and for the life of me I can't decide.
And don't you DARE say something like "Oh, the stupid people don't realize what they are doing, let's have sympathy on them." Any ignorance they have is intentional. If you sit down and talk to these people, they will not even listen to you. If they did, if they genuinely listen to what you were saying,and then chose to disagree with you, they are not stupid, they just have a different opinion. Stupid people need to wake up and take a look at the effects of their actions.
Still waiting for "asking Grace's guidance in elden ring" joke
Now consider a track that is going towards five people but it has a sick loop-de-loop in it. The lever will switch the trolley to a completely clear path, so no one dies, however, you will miss the trolley doing the sick loop-de-loop. Now THAT'S the real question.
"Children are not people" - charlie slimecicle 2022
Something about everything glitching out as soon as Grace leaves is just incredibly funny to me
Grace is genderbent Charlie and you cannot change my mind.
Help
I was taking an Average Saturday walk when the train was passing by, the little gate thing was starting to close like usual when it stopped. At first I thought might had broke or something but then it opened back up. I also didn’t hear the honk of the train or see it passing by. I got curious where it was so I looked into the tracks. That was my first mistake. What I saw to the right of the tracks was a train moving at a oddly slow pace, to the left of the track was what Looked to be two men in there 50’s tied down to the track. Then I looked behind me. A grinning man staring me down. His hand in front of his chest and this arm sticking out to the side of him. In a position about to push me on to the tracks. He push me so hard that I landed right on the tracks, in a perfect place for the train to hit me right on. Suddenly the train started to pick up its pace and was barreling at me. I bared my self for the crash and the last thing I heard was the manic laughter of a crazy man.
the amount of questions they asked that they were given the answer to moments before is astounding
you’d have to be insane to see a train going towards a group of people and your first instinct is to go out of your way to physically push someone into the tracks?
I think the point is that it's the exact same thing as the very first dilemma. Would you actively kill one person to save five? It doesn't matter if it's a flip of a switch or a push, you're doing the same thing.
I love Charlie's logic here 15:49
"Why would I be interested in kids, I kill them all the time xD
I like how these start as the normal hypotheticals, get kinda whacky, and then ask you if you would nuke a city to save another one
Still waiting for Slime, Condi, and Grizzly to play Monster Prom 2
honestly, same
What about bizzly?!
In that trolly problem they would have more than enough time to stop plus if there was work on the tracks or people got stuck they would definitely have been notified to stop the trolly way before they got close to hitting anyone
We solve by sacrificing, that makes sense.
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5:58 as shlatt says “it’s the drunk crashes not the drunk drivers”
that was the most confusing stream ever and I loved it
FAVOURITE PUPPY FACT! one of graces biggest moral dilemmas is trying to not look at the sun too long!
"MONKEY CHEST? *'waits for chest to open'* *'chest opens'* *'dances and claps'* Drugs." is my favorite part of the video, of any Slimecicle video until a new one comes out
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I nearly had a heart attack at 16:53 I was just going about my business with this video in the background and then I hear "spoiler alert Icarus dies" bruh I think im about to have my story arc.
yo hows that story arc going
14:14
i think it meant one of them killed themselves
I like how they push the big guy in front of the train to save 5 people but wont harvest a tourists organs to save 5 people
Honestly hes the funniest TH-camr ever
7:06 I saw the train start coming into frame and then it cut to a ad, funniest crap ever.
It's so weird, the game tells you only a part of the story and then like, yeah one of those guys worked really hard for that job or yeah that young guy was a drunk driver, gotcha. No, that's not how moral problems work. You tell the entire story, they aren't made to make you feel bad about your decision after you thought about it in depth.
yes, like that part where the secret service told you to shoot. who is the person I am going to shoot? a notorious terrorist or some random dude? how am I supposed to make a decision without knowing anything about them? and knowing the bullshit this game throws I thought that if you chose not to shoot it would reveal they were actually some villain that killed 3 billion people later on or something
@@anvithpayyavula7114 true, like basically imagine this: someone asks you "there is a person dangling off a cliff" save or not. When you save him the game will tell you, he was a terrorist
That's the point, its supposed to make you be weary of unforseen consequences
Gaslighting: the game
@@NotYourUser134 Except they aren't unforseen at all. No matter what you do, it's wrong. And it's not that every choice is wrong, there is a right choice, it just isn't any of the ones you can make. And the game will curb stomp that fact into your head.
When you think about it, generation loss is all just one big trolly problem
I mean, the ending literally was a trolley Dilemma of sorts
I think grace is just a Charlie from a alternate universe
0:51 that another person isn't necessarily unable to move. Of course pull the lever.
1. Pull the lever and yell at the person to get off the track. Never said that they were also stuck, so I say that if it isn't explicit, loop holes are allowed
2. The bigger problem is not Paulie, screw her, but rather the fact that derailing the trolley seems far more dangerous as it would be out of control and could endanger all of the passengers as well as people besides Paulie. I'd normally say just make Paulie move, but I think the not explicit danger is too much of a risk to pull the lever.
3. That's murder
4. I don't feel like killing anything, and it's just the circle of life. I don't care about it, quite frankly
5. Young man has a higher chance of helping out society, so it makes more logical sense from a pragmatic view point or whatever philosophy.
6. depends on the endemic, from the info we have now, seems to risky(as in NO WAY LEGAL). Also, I know how people react to mandatory vaccines and I don't want to get attacked.
7. The car should stop. Why can't the car just stop? Even if it is moving quickly, it can at least try to slow down and take the turn better.
8. Make it as secure as you can because why would you optimize one and not the other, but for the sake of the debate, our passengers for marketing.
9. Get a warrant. Simple (I'd probably say screw privacy)
10. Screw Tommy, ever heard of Karma?
11. Feel like this is illegal.
12. Fire 5. They probably deserve it.
13. Blame the Coders! They made something that STALKED AND KILLED PEOPLE.(Did the car follow people to their homes and stab them or something?)
14. Facebook and Social Media has told me to always go for ads.
15. My good morals say not to, but I'd probably get caught up in the corporate money high
16. This showed up IRL with a medicine company that suspected their product was poisoned. They chose to recall all products and it saved their publicity. I'd do the same.
17. I'd resign with my large sums of money and the weight of my sins.
18. Fire away. Very slowly. With much hesitation. Asking why all the way. Also, I suck at shooting.
19. I'd probably wait for a better opportunity. Seems like that would be protocol
20. Just go. They might be dead weight, and it's up to them
21. Don't take risks.
22. Torture is illegal if I'm not wrong
23. Honestly, I'm not letting it hit me. But since it's central city, can't Flash do something?
24. Not letting it hit me. Fight fire with fire
25. Become Keanu Reeves and get upset over a dog's death before making a cameo in a rushed game.
26. Activate ultra-instinct to teleport behind him and catch him.
both you and the game dont get these moral problems
@@lilyliao9521 dang
@@lilyliao9521 no no, only the game doesn’t
I was so confused and was like "I swear I've seen this video differently before!"
...I forgot I watched it live
I love the video, and the inability of them to grasp the context of each question makes it even better, lol
19:45 awwww Charlieeeee you and Grace are so cute together
My favorite brand of relationship is peer pressuring each other to moral dilemmas~
5:50
You get chewed out by your boss and co-workers for this. Later, the young man proceeds to disappear from the hospital, roughly around the time your boss and one of your co-workers mysteriously die. It's a tragedy, but life goes on and you continue your work at the hospital. The police have their suspicions towards you, but there's nothing concrete, so the case goes cold. Eventually, you find the young man again, years later, in a bit of a *monstrous* situation.
Personally, my problem with most of these types of questions is that they're false dichotomies. Granted, it's difficult to craft a scenario where every possible response is reduced to only a few options. They're very interesting to consider, mind you, but people who accept the false dichotomies with "you have to choose one!" seem to miss the point. The point isn't making the choice, it's considering the choices. At least in my humble opinion.
(People may argue that this is directly applicable with AI, but I'd argue back that dichotomies are not inherent in AI, despite the binary nature of modern computation.)
Did anyone else notice that for the heart transplant problem, the woman said the hospital was called the Trolley Health Corporation (THC) as in the chemical in weed that gets you high 5:14
As a gloopy gamer, I feel very welcomed
I love how chat started leaning towards push the guy off the roof and slimecicles like guys what are you doing and the meter stops and starts going back to the left
"An atom bomb is gonna blow up your city"
Slimecicle: "You're bluffing"
I respect scheduling the old man was put in the waiting list and waited fair and square for that heart
6:10 this question has come up irl too, and as Charlie predicted, Tesla picked B
It's nice that charlie is letting his sister be in a video, so wholesome.
0:35
yes it is, as long as you do it all the time
2:30 foreshadowing intensifies
I havent seen Grace since the slime video its so nice to see her back
"we saw your dog was suffering, so we decided to kill it"
True story, a neighbor's dogs put my brother's cat on the edge of death. He was dying, and easily, there was no saving him. Why would i or my brother be mad that my neighbors killed him? We weren't. Just sad he had to go.
10:42 yes, it’s a law. They can’t get any illegally obtained evidence
this guy should meet slimecicle