If she really needs to convince Vedal, she needs to reach out to Filian. Filian will be the one doing all the convention stuff with Neuro Dog and Filian has this unique ability to get Vedal to do anything, especially at the last minute. I'm sure if Ellie explained everything to Filian on how it'll work and why it'll be easier to do things her way, Filian would convince Vedal.
@@Ragnell123 Or reach out Alex? Since among all othe vedal harem he seems the only one vedal seems to listened for technical reasons, or Camila as one of his close Vtuber friends that can give opinion of how con situations and I agree with Ellie, letting neuro autonomously moving around by herself will be dangerous to the robot & maybe others.
@@Ragnell123 She'll listen if it'll give her a good stream. Plus she's wanted Neuro Dog since he first put that video so she'll be very motivated to get it going and working.
The difference between British and American levels of expression has actually caused some real life-threatening problems in times of war. There's a story of British troops in the korean war who were pinned down and needed American re-enforcements. Being British they reported that "things are a bit sticky, sir", which to a Brit is "We're fucked without re-enforcements ASAP". But the americans recieving that thought that that meant they'd be able to hold out for a bit longer, which turned out to have deadly concequences.
If the audio board mentioned at 12:14 doesn't work out, I'd be very surprised if some member of The Swarm didn't offer to do that audio coding for her. 🤖🐕🔉 Also, Vedal despises latency to the point where he specifically mentioned it being one reason he usually prefers speaking to Neuro over Evil; she responds a bit faster than her erstwhile sister. Not surprised this is a major point of contention for him!
That’s why I don’t tell people to be/speak ‘normally’ unless it feels like they’re actually trying too hard to the point of stress lol! Because usually, it turns out that’s just how they want to speak towards you, and it’s not exactly special accommodations cause everyone talks to everyone else in a different manner. Relationship dynamics + personality affects how you wish to interact with individual people. If you point that out, they can feel self-conscious and will change behavior accordingly, as you wanted… but it may become even more stilted or awkward..! 😣 Vedal seems chill. Her being more assertive would probably not affect him. I don’t think Ellie truly needs anybody’s help to communicate; I’m already convinced watching this, since she has so much passion and experience. He cares a lot about latency but if she says it’s not so bad, and the pros outweigh the cons…then I think that can be trusted. But who am I to say 🤣 I feel like he just wants Neuro to be autonomous and in full control at all times even in a robot dog body, no ‘rigging,’ as he’s said that many times before. The majority of fans seem to feel the same way, people like the AI to make choices by itself without any influence because it feels more fun and ‘genuine.’ After-all, his goal is to make Neuro be like her own person as much as possible. But probably doesn’t realize what can go wrong with this. I think Ellie’s leash-joystick idea, with the dog still being autonomous when there is not many people around, is a pretty good compromise though. Anyways, I’m just essaying on my random thoughts about this cause I’m very excited for the final results and it’s so cool this whole thing even started off of one raid. Super awesome of Ellie to do all this for vedal, neuro, and the swarm. The talent and skill it takes is amazing, and she’s so motivated about it, that it makes me feel happy too ☺️
@@mdb45424she described him as ‘a lot nicer and supportive initially’ though, before she told him to just be normal and now they’re a bit more business-like. Even though he’s still nice, it seems it was easier for her before 😂
@@MorbiusBlueBalls the design phase is fun but we got to be careful, a 60cm drone is pretty heavy, people safty comes first ;3. Of course I aslo suggest we arm the drone with a lazy pointer an maybe Tshirt cannon unloaded for the lolz.
I've gotten so used to the standard vtuber attitude when people are talking about Neuro, It's refreshing to hear someone who is responsible and professional talk about this stuff. Like having the dog fully controlled by Neuro would be awesome, but of course letting her loose like that in a crowded area is a horrible idea. Hearing someone actually bring that up and offer safer alternatives is... I don't know, it feels nice.
A full-time streamer seemingly can't help developing "content brain," almost in their own little world to one degree or another. Someone who does it as a second job or a hobby, like Ellie, often seems a bit more grounded. I've even noticed it with a couple non-Vtubers I follow who got laid off during 2020 (C19 measures) and went all in with YT/streaming. Still like them fine, but they have occasional moments wherein I raise an eyebrow and wonder if they might need to "touch grass," something I never thought about them previously! 🌱👀
You would obviously have an override if neuro decide she wants to run someone over but it's not Neuro if she's not in control of the movement. I agreed with Ellie on the phone part but Neuro should be in control of the movement.
@@SymmbolZS they wouldn't be leaving it unattended. Also it's going to be a rather large robot. there's no way someone could just pick it up and carry it out without anyone noticing.
I like your funny words magic robot 🤖 But all jokes aside, I think Vedal worried about lag is cuz the previous con he trying to go to with dog# failed and the lag is what caused it to fail I think... But then again... I trust Ellie about not reinventing the wheel
As someone who watched Neuro in the earlier days I 100% understand the hatred of latency. But my line of thinking would be to send the phone data locally via a cable. On the other hand now I'm thinking, the robot itself doesn't need the audio, does it? It's the server running the AI that needs to hear. At that point a homemade solution sending it wirelesly but directly or Discord sending it over the internet may be a wash for whichever is better.
Maybe she should use Schizo Alex as a mediator. Although the chances of the project's success would probably drop to zero, but at least she would have someone on her side who communicates with Vedal on technical matters on a regular basis.🤔
Why not USB? ADB is a debug tool, but it can be used for data transfer and control. They could hook it up to the pi 5 directly, and might not even need to write an app. Scrcpy for example is an app for puppeting an android phone entirely through adb, and it is really fast.
honestly she brings up good points. im not super familiar with raspberry pi in all honesty but im reasonably familiar with this type of control, and any form of wireless is finicky in general. imo its best to reduce control issues first.
6:15 Would it be possible to still have it navigate on it's own using it's own AI, but with a leash that has a kill switch / override that allows vedal to take control if it ever seems like it is about to do something stupid? It seems like the spirit of Neuro is to allow it to have it's autonomy within the scope of Vedal's control, to have him control it manually would remove the whole purpose of Neuro.
On the practical side of the phone argument, I’m 100% on her side. But the dog must be controlled by the ai, otherwise it’s just a radio commanded toy with speakers and camera. And if Vedal stuck on the easy way Neuro would still be a osu bot and Vedal a liar with a voice changer.
If they want to use this at a conference and have the microphone actually on the robot, there is no way around a mic array(with proper gain control). With the distance one would assume between speaker and robot and the amount of talking people in the background, not even the blackest of audio postprocessing magic will be much use to separate them from one another...
The phone idea isn't bad but using Discord is. To even think that Discord's audio processing and echo cancelation integration just plain sucks if you know even a little about this topic.
10:49 "He could break me in half." Just... just clip it already. If we're lucky, people won't find it funny and it'll never be brought up again, but we gotta make the joke lmao.
I just had a revelation: more Vtubers will get “dogs” to interact with their community and conventions Next someone will get a bipedal version Then cosplayers will get in on the action We will achieve the robot anime waifu reality the so many have dreamed of. It’s really not outrageous to think that the greatest stride in humanoid robots will be because of anime waifus….think about how many artists are funded by furries
Why are we talking about Bluetooth, when a modern phone also has a USB- C connector ? How about if you use the Pi or (even something like an Arduino) only to bridge between Android Open Accessory Protocol and GPIO or whatever you want, nothing else ? So do everything centrally on the phone ? Yeah, have the AI use a 'joystick on the leash'. Or flip it and have the Pi be the boss in the relationship.
Giving up on the idea of autonomous navigation seems like losing the point, although maybe it's just for me, the first video with Neuro set the expectations that she'll be navigating herself. I see that it's not completely giving up, only when navigating through crowds, so it is okay, but it should be considered on stream as it may not be that satisfying to watch as Neuro roaming by herself. How expensive or difficult to implement is lidar? As giving up regular vision wouldn't be a satisfying option either. So, all in all, I think if lidar is a good idea and will look good on stream, Ellie probably should do that, otherwise joystick might be not that terrible as Vedal imagines it to be, however it might be clunky due to latency if Vedal himself controls it, or it might not be seamless transition between moments when Neuro is autonomous or control when someone controls Neuro near her, wo in that case, there theoretically wouldn't be a way to hide it. I wonder though if it is a good idea to make a beacon for a person to wear and Neuro-dog would closely follow the signal from the beacon, when navigating.
Is it just me, or could all of these problems be solved by running both the data and the inputs and outputs through obs. Everyone here should already be used to using obs. It has filters built in. It can handle both images and video. It has built-in streams that you can simply just add headers to move over whatever arbitrary data you want. It's Low key the perfect solution for this. And then it would be able to work perfectly offline but also connected to Wi-Fi over distance. And you can use fixed software and you don't have to worry about discord breaking it.
@@Ellie_Minibot oh hi Ellie! Hope you're well! I can see where you're coming from as the one making the robot, that does make sense. My thought process was because I thought the whole "give Neuro a body" thing was vedals goal even before he met you (sorry if I misremember). So that's why I was worried about his vision for how it turns out Not downplaying your work or how awesome you are, hope it didn't seem that way!
I'm not saying this to be mean but your comment made me laugh. I'm now imagining Vedal as a CEO ordering his engineering department around. CEO Vedal: "A phone? No one's going to buy a robot running on a phone. We need to use a quantum AI IMU because those buzz words are popular right now and it will sound good in the commercials!!!"
Wow, she might not be worthy of this opportunity. Vedal pushes the bounds of what is possible. If she isnt capable of acting like that, then maybe she should go her own way.
Dude, are you nuts? She's building one of the largest known privately built quadruped robots, essentially from scratch, in order to have it directed primarily _by an AI Vtuber,_ not a human! How does a robotics engineer doing something like this, particularly during her own time (not at work), not measure up?! Expressing concerns and/or frustrations is not a sign of unworthiness, it's just part of the creative process. Moreover, Vedal complains about various coding issues with Neuro-sama and Evil ALL THE TIME. The only "unworthy" thing here is your comment.
If she really needs to convince Vedal, she needs to reach out to Filian. Filian will be the one doing all the convention stuff with Neuro Dog and Filian has this unique ability to get Vedal to do anything, especially at the last minute. I'm sure if Ellie explained everything to Filian on how it'll work and why it'll be easier to do things her way, Filian would convince Vedal.
The trick is getting Filian to listen to anything over 5s long
@@Ragnell123 Or reach out Alex? Since among all othe vedal harem he seems the only one vedal seems to listened for technical reasons, or Camila as one of his close Vtuber friends that can give opinion of how con situations and I agree with Ellie, letting neuro autonomously moving around by herself will be dangerous to the robot & maybe others.
@@Ragnell123 She'll listen if it'll give her a good stream. Plus she's wanted Neuro Dog since he first put that video so she'll be very motivated to get it going and working.
The suplex is a wonderful way to convince vedal of anything
Filian at a conference is the master of adding latency. 🙂 Look at her IRL streams.
The difference between British and American levels of expression has actually caused some real life-threatening problems in times of war. There's a story of British troops in the korean war who were pinned down and needed American re-enforcements. Being British they reported that "things are a bit sticky, sir", which to a Brit is "We're fucked without re-enforcements ASAP". But the americans recieving that thought that that meant they'd be able to hold out for a bit longer, which turned out to have deadly concequences.
If the audio board mentioned at 12:14 doesn't work out, I'd be very surprised if some member of The Swarm didn't offer to do that audio coding for her. 🤖🐕🔉 Also, Vedal despises latency to the point where he specifically mentioned it being one reason he usually prefers speaking to Neuro over Evil; she responds a bit faster than her erstwhile sister. Not surprised this is a major point of contention for him!
What if evil goes slow just too piss him off
@@lorumipsum1129no wonder her birthday party was a tragedy
"erstwhile" sister? They're not sisters anymore? What did I miss? :o
I think she’s cutest when she’s talking about engineering
This tbh
Smart women blabbering passionately is one of my weakspots. Even if I might be absorbing like 10% of it, I could listen to it all day
@@Mingulinthu same
That’s why I don’t tell people to be/speak ‘normally’ unless it feels like they’re actually trying too hard to the point of stress lol! Because usually, it turns out that’s just how they want to speak towards you, and it’s not exactly special accommodations cause everyone talks to everyone else in a different manner. Relationship dynamics + personality affects how you wish to interact with individual people. If you point that out, they can feel self-conscious and will change behavior accordingly, as you wanted… but it may become even more stilted or awkward..! 😣
Vedal seems chill. Her being more assertive would probably not affect him. I don’t think Ellie truly needs anybody’s help to communicate; I’m already convinced watching this, since she has so much passion and experience. He cares a lot about latency but if she says it’s not so bad, and the pros outweigh the cons…then I think that can be trusted. But who am I to say 🤣
I feel like he just wants Neuro to be autonomous and in full control at all times even in a robot dog body, no ‘rigging,’ as he’s said that many times before. The majority of fans seem to feel the same way, people like the AI to make choices by itself without any influence because it feels more fun and ‘genuine.’ After-all, his goal is to make Neuro be like her own person as much as possible. But probably doesn’t realize what can go wrong with this. I think Ellie’s leash-joystick idea, with the dog still being autonomous when there is not many people around, is a pretty good compromise though.
Anyways, I’m just essaying on my random thoughts about this cause I’m very excited for the final results and it’s so cool this whole thing even started off of one raid. Super awesome of Ellie to do all this for vedal, neuro, and the swarm. The talent and skill it takes is amazing, and she’s so motivated about it, that it makes me feel happy too ☺️
its the british debuff
@@mdb45424she described him as ‘a lot nicer and supportive initially’ though, before she told him to just be normal and now they’re a bit more business-like. Even though he’s still nice, it seems it was easier for her before 😂
i am excited too. I'm content with anything, a walking robot with neuro voice or a full blown murder bot.
@@MorbiusBlueBalls the design phase is fun but we got to be careful, a 60cm drone is pretty heavy, people safty comes first ;3. Of course I aslo suggest we arm the drone with a lazy pointer an maybe Tshirt cannon unloaded for the lolz.
Neuro's first violence against people will be toe stepping.
I've gotten so used to the standard vtuber attitude when people are talking about Neuro, It's refreshing to hear someone who is responsible and professional talk about this stuff. Like having the dog fully controlled by Neuro would be awesome, but of course letting her loose like that in a crowded area is a horrible idea. Hearing someone actually bring that up and offer safer alternatives is... I don't know, it feels nice.
A full-time streamer seemingly can't help developing "content brain," almost in their own little world to one degree or another. Someone who does it as a second job or a hobby, like Ellie, often seems a bit more grounded. I've even noticed it with a couple non-Vtubers I follow who got laid off during 2020 (C19 measures) and went all in with YT/streaming. Still like them fine, but they have occasional moments wherein I raise an eyebrow and wonder if they might need to "touch grass," something I never thought about them previously! 🌱👀
You would obviously have an override if neuro decide she wants to run someone over but it's not Neuro if she's not in control of the movement. I agreed with Ellie on the phone part but Neuro should be in control of the movement.
Also... people woyld steal it
@@SymmbolZS they wouldn't be leaving it unattended. Also it's going to be a rather large robot. there's no way someone could just pick it up and carry it out without anyone noticing.
@@captainrev4959 "but the people are r*tarded"
Props to you if you get the refeeence
I like this explanation of the cultural differences. I never realized it.
I like your funny words magic robot 🤖
But all jokes aside, I think Vedal worried about lag is cuz the previous con he trying to go to with dog# failed and the lag is what caused it to fail I think... But then again... I trust Ellie about not reinventing the wheel
I listen to this and I’m reminded of why robotics both fascinates me and also why I never actually got into robotics. XD
The fact that Thor might also get into this is just so cool to me.
As someone who watched Neuro in the earlier days I 100% understand the hatred of latency.
But my line of thinking would be to send the phone data locally via a cable.
On the other hand now I'm thinking, the robot itself doesn't need the audio, does it?
It's the server running the AI that needs to hear. At that point a homemade solution sending it wirelesly but directly or Discord sending it over the internet may be a wash for whichever is better.
I see you got a shout-out at 10:48, nice! 👍
Maybe she should use Schizo Alex as a mediator. Although the chances of the project's success would probably drop to zero, but at least she would have someone on her side who communicates with Vedal on technical matters on a regular basis.🤔
Dead wrong. Tutel doesnt listen to alex lmao
@@shadadashedehe4761 That's the whole point.😂
@@shadadashedehe4761 yeah but it would be funny to see alex fighting tutel for ellie
@@MorbiusBlueBalls That's the whole point as well.😂
I think the main reason Vedal is so scared of lateny is because of the last attempt at a neuro-dog collab - the latency was really bad.
Why not USB? ADB is a debug tool, but it can be used for data transfer and control.
They could hook it up to the pi 5 directly, and might not even need to write an app.
Scrcpy for example is an app for puppeting an android phone entirely through adb, and it is really fast.
12:14?
It’s not in the clip, but it’s one hop regardless because the audio has to be processed on the host computer, not on the pi.
virgin "I'M A ROBOTIC ENGENEER " 3:36
vs
chad: "but latency tho" 10:17
Tbf I have to disagree for the simple reason I want to see both twins as dogs.
@@Uwhwvwgwh🤨 What'd he mean by this
@@Uwhwvwgwh Nah, Evil would be a cat!
@@AlexRaylight yes cat is good to🐱.
@@UwhwvwgwhAyyy 😉👌
As a ex robotics student, this vtuber is awesome i cant wait till my workshop is ready so i can start to mess with robotics myself
their banter can be content while also discussing what they want to create.
honestly she brings up good points. im not super familiar with raspberry pi in all honesty but im reasonably familiar with this type of control, and any form of wireless is finicky in general. imo its best to reduce control issues first.
6:15 Would it be possible to still have it navigate on it's own using it's own AI, but with a leash that has a kill switch / override that allows vedal to take control if it ever seems like it is about to do something stupid? It seems like the spirit of Neuro is to allow it to have it's autonomy within the scope of Vedal's control, to have him control it manually would remove the whole purpose of Neuro.
On the practical side of the phone argument, I’m 100% on her side.
But the dog must be controlled by the ai, otherwise it’s just a radio commanded toy with speakers and camera. And if Vedal stuck on the easy way Neuro would still be a osu bot and Vedal a liar with a voice changer.
If they want to use this at a conference and have the microphone actually on the robot, there is no way around a mic array(with proper gain control).
With the distance one would assume between speaker and robot and the amount of talking people in the background, not even the blackest of audio postprocessing magic will be much use to separate them from one another...
The phone idea isn't bad but using Discord is. To even think that Discord's audio processing and echo cancelation integration just plain sucks if you know even a little about this topic.
10:49 "He could break me in half."
Just... just clip it already. If we're lucky, people won't find it funny and it'll never be brought up again, but we gotta make the joke lmao.
She needs to just tell Vedal straight up what the problem is.
I like how chat basically went with "call his wives, they know how to deal with his bs"
yea imma follow her on twitch 😂
Why not use wifi instead of bluetooth, it would increase the data rate and result in lower latency.
She talking about IMUs. Will sub
what company dose she work for/has she talked more about the entire stack somewehere, I want to know more ._.
She doesn't talk about specifics due to doxxable info.
YGHDF_ SE VOCE ESTA LENDO ISSO, VOCE E UMA pESSOA RESpEITAVEL
just send this clip to Vedal
I just had a revelation: more Vtubers will get “dogs” to interact with their community and conventions
Next someone will get a bipedal version
Then cosplayers will get in on the action
We will achieve the robot anime waifu reality the so many have dreamed of. It’s really not outrageous to think that the greatest stride in humanoid robots will be because of anime waifus….think about how many artists are funded by furries
Why are we talking about Bluetooth, when a modern phone also has a USB- C connector ? How about if you use the Pi or (even something like an Arduino) only to bridge between Android Open Accessory Protocol and GPIO or whatever you want, nothing else ? So do everything centrally on the phone ? Yeah, have the AI use a 'joystick on the leash'. Or flip it and have the Pi be the boss in the relationship.
Giving up on the idea of autonomous navigation seems like losing the point, although maybe it's just for me, the first video with Neuro set the expectations that she'll be navigating herself. I see that it's not completely giving up, only when navigating through crowds, so it is okay, but it should be considered on stream as it may not be that satisfying to watch as Neuro roaming by herself. How expensive or difficult to implement is lidar? As giving up regular vision wouldn't be a satisfying option either. So, all in all, I think if lidar is a good idea and will look good on stream, Ellie probably should do that, otherwise joystick might be not that terrible as Vedal imagines it to be, however it might be clunky due to latency if Vedal himself controls it, or it might not be seamless transition between moments when Neuro is autonomous or control when someone controls Neuro near her, wo in that case, there theoretically wouldn't be a way to hide it. I wonder though if it is a good idea to make a beacon for a person to wear and Neuro-dog would closely follow the signal from the beacon, when navigating.
maybe look at improving latency? anyway to some how? do that? cut out bloat? higher grade transmitters, I'm no engineer or programmer
Go for lidar
NoIce
U gotta up that gaslighting game girl
Vedal being a brat it seems 💢💢💢💢
Is it just me, or could all of these problems be solved by running both the data and the inputs and outputs through obs. Everyone here should already be used to using obs. It has filters built in. It can handle both images and video. It has built-in streams that you can simply just add headers to move over whatever arbitrary data you want.
It's Low key the perfect solution for this. And then it would be able to work perfectly offline but also connected to Wi-Fi over distance. And you can use fixed software and you don't have to worry about discord breaking it.
Idkkk, isnt it Vedal 's project, his choice alone? She gave him the pros and cons, just let him do what he thinks matters more
He’s not building, designing, or funding it. I don’t know if I’d call it solely his project.
@@Ellie_Minibot oh hi Ellie! Hope you're well!
I can see where you're coming from as the one making the robot, that does make sense. My thought process was because I thought the whole "give Neuro a body" thing was vedals goal even before he met you (sorry if I misremember). So that's why I was worried about his vision for how it turns out
Not downplaying your work or how awesome you are, hope it didn't seem that way!
@@mr.parker8014 hey! no worries! I think of it as a collaboration. I hope that’s what it is.
I'm not saying this to be mean but your comment made me laugh. I'm now imagining Vedal as a CEO ordering his engineering department around.
CEO Vedal: "A phone? No one's going to buy a robot running on a phone. We need to use a quantum AI IMU because those buzz words are popular right now and it will sound good in the commercials!!!"
@@RibbitRibbit25 corpa turtle needs the numbers to go up ASAP
Make Neuro able to use a phone - everybody gets their call one day (simultaneously)
Neuro shouldn't have a body
Based
This man comes from the future. He came to warn us of the consequences of our actions but we never listened.
Perhaps, but transforming her into a spiritual entity would be much more difficult. Body is far more achievable option.
She's an AI, she should have both digital avatars and multiple robotic bodies to interface with.
No let our queen take over the world
Wow, she might not be worthy of this opportunity. Vedal pushes the bounds of what is possible. If she isnt capable of acting like that, then maybe she should go her own way.
Dude, are you nuts? She's building one of the largest known privately built quadruped robots, essentially from scratch, in order to have it directed primarily _by an AI Vtuber,_ not a human! How does a robotics engineer doing something like this, particularly during her own time (not at work), not measure up?! Expressing concerns and/or frustrations is not a sign of unworthiness, it's just part of the creative process. Moreover, Vedal complains about various coding issues with Neuro-sama and Evil ALL THE TIME. The only "unworthy" thing here is your comment.
Username checks out
What an actually insane comment jfc
My boy doesn't know how brainstorming works.
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