Which character was most HATED out of all the Smash Bros game?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- Super Smash Bros 64, Melee, Brawl, Smash 4 or Ultimate; who had it worst?
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Music used:
Battle! (Gladion) - Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Layer Cake - Persona 5
Joy - Persona 3
Meta Knight's Revenge - Smash Bros Ultimate
Ice Climbers (Brawl) - Smash Ultimate
Menu 1 - Super Smash Bros Brawl
Targets - Super Smash Bros Melee
Corneria - Smash Bros Melee
All Star Rest Area - Smash Melee
Menu - Melee
Ice Climbers (Melee) - Smash Ultimate extended
Lets Dance Boys- Bayonetta
Lets Hit the Climax - Smash Ult
Classic Mode Defeat - SSBU
Outro: Beneath the Mask
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hope you enjoyed this history lesson of all the 5 smash bros games! I've never played smash 64, and so hearing about that ban aspect with pikachu was especially interesting to me
I played melee like twice in college ever, barely played it but i know a decent amount cause of the melee scene. the history there is very fleshed out and is always the most fun to retell- still think they're second just cause of puff and ice climbers being especially prevalent ;)
Brawl was my first love, and despite being considered the most "flawed" it managed to be my favorite game as a kid and still holds a place in my heart today. meta knight still busted tho lmaoo
smash 4 i finally started to follow the competitive scene, and man bayonetta was something else. really not fun to watch as a viewer so i can only imagine how that was for competitors
and finally we have Ultimate! the game i currently play and the one i'm most adept at. despite this game having probably the largest community, and thus subject to more hate, i still stand by putting it at the least hated due to the reasons in the vid.
smash is a beautiful thing, and so i hope people can embrace the games with all its flaws (even bayo!!)
#smashbros #smashbrosultimate #smashmelee
Fun fact: Cloud in Smash 4 Doubles was statistically more dominant than Meta Knight was in Brawl Singles.
Who the fuck cares about doubles ?
@@mr.catfish1993 facts
well yeah but isn’t that expected? if you have a 4 player gamemode it’s just naturally gonna be more likely to have a given character in a match than in a 2 player gamemode
@@mr.catfish1993 oh crap opinion given
@@BIGAMBERFAN that’s the joke
Interesting fact: apparently when MkLeo killed the Ridley player with the Bayonetta 0 to death in the smash bros ultimate demo, the developers and employees sitting next to Sakurai saw him shake his head when it happened like "crap, she's still BUSTED"
To be fair I don't think plup knew how to DI bayo stuff but still funny regardless lmao
Leo low key saved Ultimate by doing that.
Thank you Leo
It was on an illegal sage with hazards on to be fair.
@@waffleman8053 so? The combo still worked just like in smash 4 WITHOUT using items and the stage was very similar to the legal stages, the items and stage did nothing
@@santiagoherrera1853 Ridley lost a whole stock from the bombs on Green Greens, Also she was comboing RIDLEY! the character that is famous for being "Too big".
12:14 legendary tweet! For those who don't know, n0ne was getting wobbled in tournament so he took out his phone and tweeted this because he know he had time
Oh gosh that is insanely epic. Gotta love salty smash players.
Oh my god that is amazing
@@isaakludwig8807 I hate when people are called salty for getting mad when they're getting wobbled or 0 to deathed. I feel like their anger is justified because the other player is being an asshole
And also being camped out
Apparently melee is the best though.
MKLeo was a martyr for Smash Ultimate. He did the Bayo ladder combo during the exhibition and got booed for it, but you know Sakurai was watching, and that ladder combo alongside the boos is the reason we can't ladder combo in Ultimate
Exactly, after the match a lot of top players convinced the community that he did what needed to be done & that we should be thanking hin for showcasing it.
You are right, and the fans let Sakurai know their feelings twards Bayonetta
bruh wym Bayo we have now is better than the one in the invitational, multiple buffs and she's pretty decent now.
@@resean2727 You know she can't ladder combo, right? You know you can SDI out of it, right?
@@InkyGhoul You know you could DI out of Bayo combos in the invitational build right? You know she was able to perform a ladder combo on Ridley, a big body character right? You know one of the stocks Ridely lost was to a item right?
It didn’t help that one of the best Bayonetta players was a genuine piece of garbage outside of the character irl
Who was it? I don’t know a lot about smash four.
There were like four top bayos that were bad people outside the game lol
@@DunkTasticMan CaptainZack
@@DunkTasticMan I think it was CaptainZack, he did some horrible stuff thinking he'd always be safe because he was a minor
@@gersoncelaya7574 Alright thanks.
There's not even a debate about what's hated. bayo in smash 4 is WAAAY worse than any thing in melee. In fact I would put brawl over melee just for meta knight alone.
where do u put ur style of zetter
I literally despise players in Brawl or 4Smash that main Meta or Bayo. They just have no life because they’re busted…
I also hate bayo
Yeah. Bayonetta in smash 4 was a joke. So broken and just frustratingly easy to use. Low tiers like what I used (Shulk, about mid C tier) was embarrassingly 0 to bodied in like, 11-12 hit combos. And if I was in shield, I literally would get carried to the blast zone. 😭
@@cloudshines812 so how about Ice climbers? They have to be just as bad, if not worse, right?
"Stop being a f*cking asshole"
Liked and subbed just for that one line
same
you should've been subbed, this guy is awesome
@@malik1422 your my sub ;)
That censor sound
Your not even gonna give a timestamp
:(
Edit: I found it, the timestamp is 2:53
Thanks for nothing :)
Cloud would probably have become the most hated Smash 4 character if not for Bayonetta. Bayonetta being in a whole different league of broken saved Cloud from what would have been an enormous amount of vitriol from the community.
I don't see Cloud being hated nearly as much as other really hated characters, but he probably would be hated a decent amount. Cloud players even picked up Bayo because Cloud wasn't airtight perfect like her
I think being Cloud definitely made people hate him less. Like Smash is also a fun party game with your favorite characters so being a well know protagonist from a beloved game did lots to save him from hate.
Fax.
Except for Doubles players.
No, Cloud had a very exploitable recovery. It was his weak spot.
Are we gonna talk about how Leo saved ultimate from bayos second reign of terror by showing her brokenness in front of sakurai
bayo was a balanced high tier in the e3 build I'm so sad we lost her
@@ValToadstool She's a very balanced mid tier now, with good combos and one really specific zero to death, instead of 3 that are easy to hit and work on any character. I think she's pretty cool now versus her smash 4 predecessor.
@@tylersmith5282 she’s low tier… there’s nothing bayo can do if the opponent doesn’t approach, she has no neutral game and a lot of her moves gave unecessary jank that only make them worse than they need to be.
@@Averdein I disagree but I can see where you're coming from with that, I think her combo game is what lifts her up just a bit more than low tier
@@Averdein didn't the jab buff making it a kill confirm give her a powerful new option though
Even though Meta Knight was a total bitch to fight and was literally everywhere, you have to admit, he’s rad to play as. I feel like it also emulates how he is in his own games. He’s a total bitch to fight against, but he’s fun as fuck when you get to play as him because he just mows through the competition.
Yeah, even when being played against, at least your fighting agaist someone with some awesome, flashy moves. I also agree with him being like his games. Hard to fight cause he doesn't really have a pattern in his battle and just does some cool shit and an absolute joyride when playing as him.
Galaxia is the strongest sword canonically, so it's dumb, but is an explenation of why Meta-Knight was Transcendent with every move that usted galaxia except drill rush.
Mk dittos were some of the most entertaining sets in brawl
I actually like playing as and against him
That's why he isn't the most hated despite being the best character in the history of the entire series, and one of the most best characters in fighting game history. You still get to play the game, and it's still entertaining to watch. What people hate are characters like ICs, especially the melee version that just get a grab and tap a, and win stocks for free without you getting to play.
I never understood the "ban Puff" on Melee wobbling I totally get it but Puff is just an annoying to play character but it wasn't an unfair one. In mayors Fox, Falco, Sheik and Marth were still doing great. Puff was campy and boring but not game breaking
Don't worry, players didn't realisticlly wanted puff banned, only redditors
@@TDG386 yah puff is not bad more then I say annoying attest it not bawl with metaknight
@@lloydbagby8355 the Main problem with MK is that he was everywhere, and he was dumbly busted, but that aren't really solid reasons to hate Meta-Knight in comparison to Icies (Meta-Knight could be sick, flashy if the player wanted to, Icies couldn't. Meta-Knight had everything in his kit except a degenerate, unbeatable combo or move, Icies entire meta revolves on something as disgusting as "one grab=one stock", and like Bayo, Icies players Discovered handoffs chaingrabs at the last turn of Brawl popular age, and Meta-Knight was something everyone in Brawl get usted to it (i mean, the Best player in Brawl was every year a Meta-Knight main, with only once losing his throne to icies in 2014) ).
@@TDG386 yah and why ice climbers got nuffed in ultimate
Problem with puff is that to beat Puff you have to play Puff, play Fox, or maybe play Falco or Marth. Plus she has one of the best punish games with being super floatly, having the best crouch in the game going under 90% of grabs, having an insta kill move except on certain characters on certain stages, and having the best recovery in the game. In Melee, a large amount of the punish game is edge guarding. Thus, this made the punish game against puff very little and imo weighted the punish game in her favor in basically all match ups even Fox. For marth specifically, you had to use a technique that was about a 1 frame input to even have a punish game against her.
Smash players have feelings
“Young link players have no soul”
-little Z
As a young link main this is true
Well, if young link players have no soul, looks like I’m in that crowd, since the eyes are the key to the soul, and I have no vision.
Players of all versions of link for.that matter 90% of.them are just F spammers
@@TheDarknash as a link main i can say i don't use any f-attack
@@TheDarknash brub who do you main
It actually isn’t too accurate to say Jigglypuff saw her rise in Melee due to Hbox. Mango was the best player with her in 08/09 and it wasn’t until later that Hbox broke through. Even then he was one of the less dominant gods until 2015 onwards
the mang0 puff arc
This is a massive omission and is indicative of a real lack of understanding behind how Puff earned her reputation in the community. Puff was already plenty hated during Mang0's rise to #1, but not to nearly the same extent as when Hbox became the face of the character. If you watch their Puffs side by side it becomes incredibly apparent why that was; Mang0 and Hbox's playstyles were polar opposites, and crowd reactions to them mirrored that dichotomy. It didn't help that some of Hbox's many contributions to the character's meta included things like planking on the ledge for the entire 8 minute timer, and standing up during sets in order to see his opponent's DI on their controller. Contrasting how people lost their minds watching Mang0's Puff at Genesis 1 vs how crowds have reacted to 90% of Hbox's sets throughout Melee's history does a really good job illustrating how Hbox's approach to the game painted the community's perception of the character every bit as much as the character herself
@@SoManySharks I wasn’t talking about the character being hated. I don’t at all disagree that the massive hate for Puff in large part came in response to Hbox due to his style of play (which Mango obviously contrasts with but Mango was also loved despite Puff for Mango reasons lol), I was just saying that it was known she was a great character before Hbox. Also, as far as I know the DI thing was hardly common and definitely isn’t now, it really doesn’t have much to do with anything beyond a bit of extra ammo to use against Hbox. A more relevant out of game thing Hbox has been hated for is his refusal to play friendlies with top players, to limit their ability in the matchup. Even the planking isn’t usually *that* prevalent, a lot of it is just keeping to the side of the stage in general especially around platforms and boxing out approaches. And it’s worth noting that despite the widespread hate of Puff very much coming with Hbox, top players like Armada and M2K definitely hated this character even before Hbox’s rise, due to Mango.
@@BeyondFables I was talking about the poster of the video BTW, not you. Though I agree with pretty much everything you said
@@BeyondFables people were hating on puff back when mango was playing her. We got that legendary scar commentary moment because of how much he hated her. Iirc, mango switch to prove to everyone he wasn't carried by puff and was tired of dealing with the hate
My most hated Smash character is Sakurai. Dude’s so busted, he can erase and summon characters entirely. Needs a major nerf.
Thata why hes being replaced with a new character in the next installment
@@LelouchOnTwi thats harsh
Clever
waluigi mains petition his ban
@@zcrpt6715 cry some more
11:59
Can we just look at the fact that Chudat is literally mashing one button (left, Ice Climbers)
Lol
He's also pressing right trigger but the point still stands
Yayuhhhz
💀💀💀
10:50 Translation: “I quit melee because hbox was better than me”
I agree with the message this video sends. It's fine to hate a character, especially if they're legitimately busted, but it's *never* okay to hate a player because they play that character. (Other reasons might apply, but the character shouldn't be one under most circumstances)
See I agree but then again, if a character has a broken mechanic and as a player you exploit it to win, I think it’s fair to give them some shit for it. Now like in melee where hbox used puff, that’s not reason to cause it’s not the character broken mechanics you hate, you simply just don’t like the play style and think it’s boring. But an exploit that literally deletes stocks and you use it to your advantage, well at that point I also blame the player.
@@pinkzki6473 If it's an exploit then you shouldn't blame the player but Nintendo
If there's a problem then it need to be patched
People from r/smashrage need to hear this
@@jambon2730 my dude quit protecting those players. Any gamer that uses exploits and glitches to get the upperhand in the game are just arsholes.
As understandable as that is you have to understand that toxic people really don't give any damns. This has being going on since melee. Gonna have to accept it since smash is a broken tier toxic community.
Ah yes smash 4, the game that made me think SDI meant ‘self-destruct immediately’ when bayonetta came out
would love to see every smash veteran character's best performing game, that would be really neat
I bet you the last dlc character will be part of the broken family, but who tho🤔
Pikachu & Kirby: 64
Samus, Falcon, Fox, & Jigglypuff: Melee
Mario, Luigi & Dk: Smash 4
Yoshi, Ness & Link: Ultimate
EDIT: Yoshi, Mario & Samus are the biggest toss-ups imo, so I think that's where the most interesting debates on such a topic would be had.
Oh I thought you meant how well their original games sold and which game in that series sold best
Mario: Smash 4
Donkey Kong: Smash 4
Link: Ultimate
Samus: Ultimate
Yoshi: Ultimate
Kirby: 64
Fox: Melee
Pikachu: 64
Luigi: Smash 4
Ness: Ultimate
Captain Falcon: Melee
Jigglypuff: Melee
Peach: Tied Melee/Ultimate
Bowser: Ultimate
Ice Climbers: Brawl
Sheik: Smash 4
Zelda: Ultimate
Dr. Mario: Melee
Pichu: Ultimate
Falco: Melee
Marth: Melee
Lucina: Ultimate
Young Link: Ultimate
Ganondorf: Melee
Mewtwo: Smash 4
Roy: Ultimate
Mr. Game & Watch: Ultimate
Meta Knight: Brawl
Pit: Brawl
Dark Pit: Ultimate
Zero Suit Samus: Smash 4
Wario: Ultimate
Snake: Tied Brawl/Ultimate
Ike: Ultimate
Pokemon Trainer: Ultimate
Diddy Kong: Smash 4
Lucas: Ultimate
Sonic: Tied Smash 4/Ultimate
King Dedede: Brawl
Olimar: Brawl (Ultimate before nerf)
Lucario: Smash 4
R.O.B.: Ultimate
Toon Link: Tied Brawl/Smash 4/Ultimate
Wolf: Ultimate
Villager: Smash 4
Mega Man: Ultimate
Wii Fit Trainer: Ultimate
Rosalina & Luma: Smash 4
Little Mac: Ultimate
Greninja: Ultimate
Mii Swordfighter: Ultimae
Mii Brawler: Smash 4
Mii Gunner: Ultimate
Palutena: Ultimate
PAC-MAN: Ultimate
Robin: Ultimate
Shulk: Ultimate
Bowser Jr: Ultimate
Duck Hunt: Ultimate
Ryu: Smash 4
Cloud: Smash 4
Corrin: Smash 4
Bayonetta: Smash 4
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Leo took a bullet for us all that day at 15:18. He knew Sakurai was watching and he did that Bayo combo specifically to make sure that the man himself knew what we had been dealing with until then.
Thank you Leo, for saving us from Bayo in Ultimate
I stopped playing Ultimate mostly because of Yoshi. I eventually learned the matchup, but even when I won, I had such a horrible time playing against that character that I was no longer having fun with the game…
Yoshi makes me wanna throw my switch across the window lol
I'm a steve main so yoshi is easy for me. Just minecart spam lol
I hear ya...
Just take breaks so you dont get burned out.
Thats how i usually cope with distaste of certain cringe factor the game can provide.
@@deoxysandmew2162 Yeah I’m on an extended break from the Switch in general atm. Went back to my 3DS to fully get through my backlog, and I’m not returning to my Switch until that job is done!
@@worldsboss fair game
I remember hearing something along the lines of "oh and that's the stock... oh right, he's coming back from that because Bayonetta. And there's a witch time, and that'll be game. There you go."
The Smash 4 meta just died when Bayo dropped. Yeah using her was complicated, but it wasn't fun to even watch those matches.
But hey, Brawl was that way from the beginning with Meta Knight. Just horrible, horrible balance.
And look how many bloody people played Meta Knight in Brawl and then never again, and Bayo in 4 and then never again. "I just really like the character" my ass.
i call those people fairweather gamers. they stand by that character... until he/she/it drops from the meta, then they instantly gravitate towards the next top tier, and suddenly always liked it
@@Underworlder5 For me I had kind of the opposite effect. In 4 I was a Palutena/Corrin main. But in Ultimate I dropped Corrin because gameplay wise, I just could not recapture the magic. Palutena stayed my main up until I Pyra/Mythra dropped and with testing I found better success with them. In a senes they were like my Corrin in 4. A swordfighter that played more unconventionally. Oddly despite Palutena's massive tier jump from 4 I kinda liked her old move set-up more.
eh, not really. sm4sh went from "that game nobody likes because nobody can actually kill" to "that game nobody likes because only one character can actually kill". it was never a particularly popular game, like, there's a reason ultimate gets summits and sm4sh didnt (and, to be clear, i genuinely loved sm4sh)
@@SupermarketSweep777 interesting. i always found palutena a bit clunky and cumbersome in smash 4, to the point of being my least favorite to play. in ultimate she is one of my better characters. the increase in speed on her tilts and merging counter and reflect into one move helped immensely with that. ike has always been my favorite since brawl though. if only his games were not such a pain to get...
Surprised the infamous stalling situation at smash4 Evo finals wasn't mentioned when talking about Bayo, that shit was rancid.
Though I suppose that was more about the players being awful and that went against the 'don't be an asshole' message.
Are you referring to the two Bayos that charged Neutral-B for a ton of time?
@@ResistancePasta Aye yeah, the TOs had to get involved and told them to finish the match iirc.
that was indeed shitty but god damn is it hilarious looking back
@@borkbork9541 But I thought that those two players were doing that as revenge against everyone that harrassed them for playing Bayo?
@@ResistancePasta I'd argue all it did was cement Bayo as the character that destroyed interest in sm4sh competitively, but I'll admit I hadn't heard that side of the situation before.
I did not expect to see myself in this video at 7:12 from when I got completely destroyed in the Xanadu Brawl Arcadian lmao. That was one hell of a throwback.
Lol. Nice.
Rip lmao
My god I can see why the rest of the competitive community clowns on melee.
"I might quit because of the jiggly matchup"
Literally every game has annoying matchups and characters, yes it's fine to hate campy characters but this much? What the actual fuck lol
Well, that's Leffen for ya, always whiny, if not pretty terrible for how toxic he can be.
But did you see when Armada basically quit a tournament, for not having the "right" kind of "broken controller" to fit his needs? For how it seems to offer like a small fraction of an advantage, over most controllers. Armada being yet another Melee player, complains about pettiest things.
@@byronlyons3548 oh god the controller fuss lol, obviously don't think customs should be banned but like customisation should be cosmetic or for durability, the extra notches some guys add to make some combos easier to perform is clearly an unfair paid advantage.
Actually find it kinda funny how pc competitive gaming actively tries to minimize the wealth advantage while console competitive will actively force people to ship overseas versions to get a specific patch available lol
I swear Leffen is the biggest clown in all of melee
I think it's interesting the game with the most characters by far is suprisingly balanced and doesn't have that one character that is OP.
Everyone has at least one broken mechanic or move in the game. Most people who hate characters in ultimate just have a tough time playing against them, we all have to learn the matchup!!
1:58
Steve: the more you don’t know… the better
First of all, I gotta say: the fact that this video's like ratio isn't garbage says a lot about the presentation. (Good job!)
My only gripe is that you didn't look at the current state of melee all that much. Puff is still unpopular but as top players catch up to hbox, especially over the wifi era, his hate has decreased a lot. Or with ICs, even tho wobbling is banned, there is still an infinite they can do but it's harder to pull off and even a little flashy. Sadly there hasn't been a player to showcase that potential since the ban
Seriously, you’re going to QUIT because a character is broken?! EVERYTHING IN MELEE IS BROKEN! This is why people think it’s any good; it’s not the gameplay or the strategy, it’s the game breaking that people like.
Don't worry:
1. Plup didn't quit.
2. We wanted to a break from Hungrybox (yes, HBox, because N-O-B-O-D-Y was as good as HBox with the character except 2008-09 Mang0) AND wobbling.
“It’s a feature”
That mkleo clip as bayo is the reason that bayo is mid tier in ult. uo air could neverrr do what beta build up air could do.
Even if he didn’t do that she likely would have been nerfed down the line
Thing does kill till like 270 now which is fair tbh
10:00 half true, mang0 pushed puff more than hbox did back when mang0 mained her, but when he switched for spacies, hbox was the only puff to push the caracter farther
A lot of people seem to think that people only play a character for the way they play when a lot of them just like the character itself.
I feel bad for the Sonic mains who decided to play one of the most iconic characters ever but get hate because of his playstyle
@@KingTruffles sonic is a cocky risk taker whose games have always taken speedrunning into consideration, yet his smash playstyle is safe and slow
I’m a Bayo main and our top player representation was ass. Made us look bad.😏
Glad it’s changed now.
Same
Cumulative hatred goes to Ice Climbers, easy. They've had a lot of years.
11:49 poor M2K, makes me wanna cry 🤣
I think the Jiggs hate is really bad. Like, someone threw a lobster or crab at Hungrybox after a game just because he played Puff. And like TCNick said, hate the character, not the player.
I definitely think you should have talked more about Smash4 Cloud, he was super easy to play so you'd see him all the time online and anyone could pick him up as a pocket character.
I would still call out the players who abuses exploits and glitches to make the game annoying for others. They know what they are doing.
Other than that stalking, harassment over some game, we know where the line is drawn
Shocked you never mentioned Evo 2018
We're forgetting about the sleaper most hated character. Sonic. Every local tournament in all of the 5 towns surrounding me ALL have sonic banned for him being a 7 minute camping simulator. Its actually insane.
Nick, thank you for delivering this message in the form of a well edited, in depth video
Steve: "Hold my mine cart."
I’m pretty sure Pikachu and Min Min are the most hated characters in Ultimate. Palutena is a close contender as wel
I don't get the hate for Min Min. Why is she hated?
@@thephantomsplit f-smash, (more specifically the dragon but they all suck), up-smash reflects because dlc privilege, makes the game incredibly lame, can smash attack in the air, and did I mention f-smash? Because it is fucking annoying.
@@dothog1401 gotcha
This isn’t even a competition, bayo wins.
Evo 2018 in a nutshell
I have to assume you weren't around for Brawl Metaknight if you think there's no competition.
@@LetterNumber Brawl meta knight really wasn’t that bad.
@@LetterNumber Brawl Meta Knight was overpowered as fuck but didn't get the same hate, probably because he was the most fun character by far too in a game which was so slow and dull for many characters. The problem with brawl wasn't that Meta Knight was too good, but that everyone else wasn't good enough
Id probably say melee jigglypuff is the most hated smash character. Remember when hbox almost got assassinated by a crab?
10:55 I don't know, any character that gets Leffen to quit makes me like them a whole lot more.
My first thought: "Mii's". Some Places have very concentrated hate towards them. (looking at you, Finland.) Tons of Top players hate them, tons of lower level players hate them, tons of Ok players hate them, and not even because of the moveset. Because they are Mii's.
15:20 The Stage They Played on has a Small Ceiling known for the low percent Deaths off the top or sides
Didnt stop the fact it was still the cause for her major nerfs in ultimate
metaknight completely ruined brawl which I maintain was otherwise a pretty deep game
At least he made the game somewhat engaging, because of his strengths metaknight could do what other characters couldn't which was making game fast paced
He was the only fun character tho
@@fgfhjfhjfbhfghf5771 I need to correct you, he was the only fun/engaging good character
It was deep, although if it was faster (cough project m) with more movement options, it woulda been perfect
At least he's fun to play as. He's also cool to Watch and Is flashy
I'm a Pyra and Mythra Main and they're top tier (As far as I know), however, I play them because they're fun to play for me, they're strategic (fast and with combos or slow but hard) and Anime and I love it
And at the same time, my secondary is Little Mac, I know his recovery is extremely bad and because of that he's in every tier list always E or even F, but he can be extremely dangerous if you aren't careful
Play the characters you like or you have fun to play with, don't care what other people think about it, if they say "But this character is overpowered, what a noob" or "Wow, you're playing an F-Tier? Lol", ignore those, if they're your friends, they don't need to accept your character, but they need to respect your decision of liking or playing that character
I agree, I like every character ultimate has to offer and I don't let anyone try to ruin my fun regardless if I play a top tier like Pyra or a bottom tier like Ganon
Straight facts
there's really just so much more to life than hating characters in fighting games, man
Smash Ultimate Zero Suit Samus
It’s like trying to kill a mouse sliding and jumping around at the speed of light
The pros “quitting” because of Puff is honestly so cringe. No one thought the MU was boring or had any problems until HBox started winning. He’s also basically the only Puff that consistently got good results at majors. These people play the exact same matches against Fox/Falco/Marth dozens of times and whine about having to fight a puff 1, 2 max, times a tournament.
But it's lame
@@jajajahdhdhshd9071 oh no a whole 15-20 mins of boredom to get paid to play a video game? Better just quit lmao
I... Can't complain much here, if the quitting is sarcastic then i am completly with you on what you are saying, but i would add shiek to the list of characters that their matchups we're played dozens of times
12:46, Lol, I get the reference to the beginning of her game whispering her name😅
1:53 Kazuja: Hello there.
The times before steve and kazuya i remember them. Still have fun with kazuya though
So ice climbers are hated because if they grab you once they can do an infinite combo and get a guaranteed kill, but jigglypuff is hated since she plays differently than other characters? I don't get melee players lol
He is just lame to watch
When i saw the title of the video i was like "How can you make a video about that" but i clicked anyway. Turned out to be a video with a lot of work and research behind. A rly interesting video thank you Nick
the most hated thing in smash 4 was when you were playing 2 v 2 online and you were fighting against both a cloud and a bayonetta
I definitely figure Min Min is going to be the most disliked character in Ultimate, down the line. She has a very campy playstyle, her weaknesses up close aren't nearly as salient as other zoners', and people are probably still sore from how utterly easy it was for her to kill someone from center-stage with the Dragon head's laser on F-Smash off stage, and just, invalidate many recoveries that way- I can't exactly say I disagree personally, either...
Shoutouts to Byleth for being "another Fire Emblem character", and the last character in a Fighter's Pass otherwise full of way out-there third party guest characters, including Terry and his 50 Tracks of KoF music he brought with (though fortunately that seems to have died down considerably.)
She's honestly not that bad. Sure she is very annoying to fight, but for one thing I rarely ever see anyone actually using her and whenever someone does I can legit bully them with Ganondorf... that should say enough
I think Steve will get more hate.
Seeing MKLeo do that Bayo combo in Ultimate was actually really cool imo, probably because I suck at Bayo and also because of how unrewarding landing Bayo combos can feel sometimes, so to see it actually pay off and result in a kill is pretty neat.
The totesgeki spam got me
Damn, I wish more people played jigglypuff so that Leffen leaves melee
The reason Brawl Meta Knight isn't really hated is that Brawl is a slow game and Meta Knight is very fast. Matches are always fast paced when he's involved
False
Brawl meta is defined by camping potential, and Meta-Knight was easily the GOAT in that. Funny, M2K was the most dominating player in the history in Brawl and he was aggresive but that aggresiveness was regulared with patience and defensive play to take advantage of small mistakes, and Nairo, the Best modern Brawl player played a risky and aggresive Meta-Knight.
Melee kirby, and bowser are legit shitty to work around that they should've been banned cause it's awful to play as them for janking hitboxes and even poor moves.
What pisses me off is that mango and hbox are the only puffs that played aggressive and were risky but when the community started to Camp with jigglypuff all the hate went to hbox, like bro he doesn’t play campy and safe. The community does not him
i’ve never seen an ult player NOT go “uuuugh I have to play against THIS character?”
0:22 I have found my kindred spirit in this age of game criticism
This video needs an update for the bullshit that is DLC characters in Smash Ultimate and their massive move pool, long attack range and busted counters. It's not fun when people can pay to win.
I recently had someone tell me that competitive roster balance is only good at surface value and that in actuality its better for the health of a competitive game to have a smaller centralized meta with fewer viable characters. After seeing 10:45 it makes sense that he would cite leffen.
Brawl Meta Knight is broken, but there is one thing that I'll always salute him for.
He comes with the game for free.
Pikachu was the most consistently good character in the history of Smash but was never anywhere near most hated.
honestly smash ult pikachu is pretty much hated by everybody just not super vocally
2:06 Well I now know that my Main (Steve) is Top Tier!
He always was. Most DlC are major top tiers
I main ganon, not because he’s a meta character or whatnot but because I love the legend of Zelda series as a whole.
To be honest, I don't really hate fighters in respectice games. They're alright. Now that ultimate has released, most of top-tier fighters were exposed to weaknesses, like Meta Knight became defenseless in the air, Bayo having low kill power, made easy for Ice climbers to be seperated and more. There's nothing to hate about those fighters anymore, as long as you have fun.
12:46 couldn’t stop laughing!
"And Ultimate has no dominant, annoying characters."
Welp, with Steve and Kazuya banned, that statement aged like milk
11:10 look at the player cams
I'll be honest, I was happy for bayo on smash 4, her games were fun and the air combos brought an element from her games into smash and I loved it. Same with brawl meta knight, now I'm looking back at the state of my favorite characters and seeing Leo get booed for doing what is essentially a normal feature for someone like bayo, and I look at my hero and Terry and Kazuya and wonder what the God the community is looking at
For clearance for people who haven't played/ seen clips, Terry and Kazuya have super nasty 0 to death combos and hero has the best down special I've ever seen, with 2 instant death moves
One time at a tournament for ssbu, a hero player was fighting a Ganondorf player, the hero player was getting beat, the Ganondorf player winning the first game a 3 stock, then during the second game, the hero player won, then the third and final play, it was both players on their last stocks, Ganondorf at 150% and hero at 0% what does the hero player do? He top decks a whack and kills the Ganondorf, the amount of hate he got, the pure amount of "boo" and even some "your lame" made me laugh, but truly, I felt bad for the guy, he just got the lucky move and won
This video is beautiful cuz it’s pre Steve for ultimate
Honestly sometimes I wish Bayonetta was never added into smash 4 in the first place, im not even into smash, im just a fan of the actual Bayonetta series and its tiring looking for Bayo centered content and just seeing never ending rivers of hate for one of my favorite characters, as well as just mountains of really annoying ooc crossover content from people who only know her from smash. Her inclusion into smash did bring more attention to her series but goddamn did it come with a cost.
Funny how TCNick just straight up not answered who's the most annoying character in Ultimate is.
Reminds me of how I was gate keeped after I stated in a discord server that I played Yoshi
Don’t play yoshi
@@awesomegaming9268 No.
Quit yoshi
I just found your channel recently and I want to say you’ve earned a new subscriber I love your content so far and I can’t wait to see more especially of the spiked series
4:37-5:08 am I the only person that thinks this is exactly what is happening with Pyra/Mythra right now?
Do you have a specific tournament as an example?
No you're not the only one. Go watch summit 3, they are everywhere.
ima sub to you because your smash videos were fun to watch even though i'm not a competitive guy myself i still enjoy smash videos quite a lot, and your theory was quite accurate i can always learn a thing or two from you keep going^^
Man those dark end days of Smash 4. Bayonetta is single handedly responsible for killing an entire game. It's actually insane
"Next game with the most hated character, is brawl"
Meele: am I a joke to you?
i like all of those characters because they were so broken or otherwise different in those games. being broken is what attracted me to those characters from those specific games, personally.
I don't get the hate for Min Min. She, in my opinion, is the best in Ultimate.
The thing is with min min is that many people see her as needing no skill to play her,especially since she can edge guard a lot of character without ever leaving the stage.I personally despise Wi-Fi MinMin because I play mostly heavyweights and it feels like the game is already over when I see her.
I agree on most your points, but I'm going to say for me what killed Smash 4 was Evo 2018 grand finals. You can argue "It's the character" but when top players where behaving like that, holding charge b for a minute and a half was so disrespectful to litteraly everyone watching and playing before that I was done. That wasn't the characters, that was the players, and while that may have been a response to the players, even I who didn't interact with the toxic part of the community was with them on that day because of the shitstorm they caused to the image of the scene
“hate the character, not the player”
-TCNick3 2021
Steve really looked at the list and took notes.
Interesting how he said pikachu was regarded as the best in the 1st smash game (smash 64) and that despite being the best he was still fairly punishable with strong punishes from the rest of the cast...
for being able to stick to puff for so long, hungrybox is an amazing guy, and in my opinion, should be cherished among many
Ultimate being last did not age well
As someone who hated smash 4, I am happy about this list
"This man monkey flipped once..."
No one even going to call him by his name anymore? sheesh.
I have a confession:
Back when Brawl first come out, I was a Meta Knight main. Not because I knew how broken he was, but because I loved Kirby.
I wonder if anybody booed the announcement of Bayonetta 3 just because of Smash.
Another reason why Meta Knight was hated is because there was tripping in brawl. Since Meta Knight was always in the air he didn't trip. That gave him a large advantage.
anyone notice that simon was the echo? respect my man