i personally think downloading is wrecking the world of music. people don't demand the quality they used to and its all just a commercialised movement to turn in as much money as possible. im talking about pop that is.
well they do, itunes the biggest on-line music downloading store was made by apple, to make one thing... money. pop musicians, if you can call them that, aim for money, most of them don't write the music, or the lyrics. take one direction for instance, they are estimated to have made 1 billion pounds between them, they frequently forget there lyrics on stage, because they don't give a fuck, so-long as that pay check is still coming in there happy, go to any other genre live show, If they forgot lyrics in metal people would get really mad, in rock, people would get mad, in anything but pop people would get mad its because in other genres people care about the music. in pop no one cares, look at metalica, 30 years on we still listen to songs they wrote back then, look at pop, i bet you couldn't name me the last top 5 songs in the top 40 list, or 200 if your in the USA, because people don't care about the music any more, pop is a commercialised thing produced to get money. pop and downloading go hand in hand.
I appreciate you taking the time to write such a long response. I still can't seem to fully understand your point. Rest assured I did read it. and, regardless of me not completely understanding, I can agree on a few things. I do believe that the world as a whole is getting lower and lower expectations of people making music.
basically i just feel its getting commercialised and as you say the expectations are lower and lower, i dont really like death metal but i can see the time and dedication that is put into it. downloading is again lowering expectations, when i get an album i want the art work, the CD ect. I feel like nothings put into downloading, just record-send. not record-CD-promote-tour...
Shimmerstrike1 I know this is off-topic to us, but here is what I believe in. Keep in mind, I am a heavily active downloaded from unofficial sources. It's purely because the money is not there to buy the records themselves. NOT suffice to say that my feelings are invalid as what i just say might contradict what's below. I am talking about the guys who steal cause a rush, fun, not caring, etc. I think these suggestions could make an alternative to them. With that said, here is my opinions.I believe there is money to be made for artists with people "stealing their music". Now, i said artists. Not publishers. I feel as if the more audience attending the shows, the bigger you can grow, the more money you can make. I think record companies are the worst thing music could have right now. The whole moral debate is just an underlining thing they've done to ensure they have a monopoly. I am optimistic for the future ahead. When music is free, and you have a lot more people attending shows, able to buy t-shirts, collectables(?), etc. I think it will have the same money spent. So, no extra or decrease. However, I think that the bands getting the money themselves is what makes me happy. I also heard somewhere that if a million songs were sold on itunes as individuals that apple gets 70%, the record company gets 20%, and the artist gets 10%. I don't think there was anything backing that up, but I honestly don't need it backed up. That sounds like what is going on right now... Cheers!
There are also bands with people in that same situation. So they would never be able to sell some of their albums because other people want their music but are not able to pay for them?
I like to buy cds and support all the bands that i like plus i think if you steal music it will take the fun out of buying a cd because when you buy it you got a case a booklet and lyrics and its fun to read and listen to your music at the some time
I support underground bands, buy their demo even if I can get it for free; or bands that I'm really into, like Suffocation or Kreator, I'll buy anything they put out because I'm a huge fan. But I just don't see the point buying a Metallica or an Iron Maiden album. They're rich beyond belief and I'd rather use the little amount of money I have to help lesser know bands or go to concerts. I do always buy merchandise (like, patches or t-shirts) from bands I'm seeing live, though, even if they're really rich and famous.
I must say, I'm somewhere in between on this issue. True, I do download songs and albums from the internet, BUT, if I truely like the music, I WILL buy a real copy of it as soon as I can afford it.
@Laivasse Does a band also put time, equipment, money in the creating of music? So where does that money keeps coming from? Besides, bands don't get paid in a lot of cases and have to buy a lot of tickets and transport themselves...so in that case ALL the money has to come from selling a few shirts here and there?
Unkn, you're wrong..If the labels want to help the bands... then they shouldn't steal their copywrites ( material) & royalties.. this has been going on for years
Let me just tell you my story. I live in the butthole of the Earth. Here nobody buys CDs because they're quite expensive. Even the people that have the money to spend on them frequently don't do it because the market is rather small (we don't really have huge CD shops, and those few that are out there don't have much stuff in them). And I am really having financial problems so I'm not able to go out and buy CDs. That, however, doesn't mean I shouldn't listen to music. And, really, I wouldn't if it wasn't for people posting it on TH-cam. It has exposed me to a lot of good music which I would probably never have heard otherwise. It's a way to expose people to music. Now check this out. More people listening to your stuff = more people on the concerts. Which means not only are you more popular, but you earn more from selling tickets. I would prefer it if I could go out and buy a CD but I just can't....
Well here's my opinion. I really don't like this attitude of "Why should I pay for my music if I can just download for free?" Don't get me wrong, I'm not against downloading, even for free. I see some harmony between downloading and buying CDs, after all, it's really an asshole thing to just download stuff people put blood, sweat and tears to create. I've got many of them, but I download music too. A lot of times it happens that I download a few songs of some band, and later when I get money I go and buy it. Sometimes it happens that I download a few songs and decide that band is not my thing, and I just delete them. If I bought an album and after a few listenings I'd decide that it's not my thing, I would not get my money back. Anyway, I think downloading is ok, as long as you buy CDs too. That's my main point. Does it make sense? :P
+Stachuuu666 ~ I have no problem with your method. It's just that every time you illegally download something, even if you delete it later, you are still encouraging the pirates and uploaders because you are increasing its popularity by using their "services". If that weren't the case though, I don't have a problem with your overall philosophy. I personally don't actually download anything. I just stream it from TH-cam, and if I like it, I buy it. In fact, a lot of labels are putting a few songs from each album on their official TH-cam channels so that people can do just that. You can check out a few of their songs with their blessing, and then buy the CD if you like what you hear. More publishers need to do this. They are working WITH the listener, instead of against them. They are the forward-thinking publishers, and they are the ones we need to support, because they are trying to make things easier for us by helping us in a real way.
+Stachuuu666 ~ In other words, it's best when the bands, the publishers, and the fans can all work together instead of against each other to keep the music alive.
@metallicarockk So a band that wants to make music but sell it, just has bad luck because you don't think it's worth any money? So you decide for a band or artist whether they will make any money on it or not?
@brutalizerrr If you choose to do that as a band then that is just fine, but you're saying that all bands should do that and are not allowed to sell their stuff if they want to?
I did not say that. There are albums out there which you can only get is you pay around 100$, I don't expect people to buy those so if you can find that on a download, be my guest.
If I hack into the computer of a bank and get a series of access codes(which you also can't touch and has no mass ), did I just get them because I could or did I steal it?
What am I doing right now then? I have been dicussing this topic with many people for a long time now, I have heard all the arguments so far. Some are understandable but to me they still do not justify anything.
As for my thoughts, I generally prefer to purchase music because you'll have that awesome artwork, the album itself, the lyric sheet and more. What you get with downloads? Just the MP3s. It just feels good to have the physical copies. Sadly, many music stores are closing left and right.
@immatear That's fine but I think if a band decides to sell their music and stuff, we should not deny them that chance just because we're too lazy or to cheap to buy it from them
I have said many times before I always talked about illegal stuff, greedy people..careless people. Not Joe who download two songs or even an album and then gets it, or when he doesn't like it removes it. I thought I was very clear in that.
There is still a difference in checking the band online or on youtube and downloading an entire album because people just don't wanna spent money on music. They do want it, but won't pay for it.
@ToTheSummitkicksass Well yes and no...a lot of bands indeed do not care, which is fine..then I also don't care. But shows and merch? Have you got any idea what the printing of shirts costs, and how much profit they take from it? Which they also have to share if they band has more then one band member? Also in a lot of cases bands do not get paid at all to play somewhere, it happens more that they don't then when they do get paid.
@xXMetalforever1994Xx I know enough about downloading to know I am against it. So what if you have something someone else wants but doesn't have the money for it?.....
@bladeofchemistry I don't condemn everyone on downloading....I will make another video on this subject because some people feel really heavily attacked by my opinion.
@qqbloodlover Why does everybody starts talking about big companies? What does that have to do with a band who might want to make a few bucks on their work? And it's sad that you don't get paid that much, but does a band who would like to sell something have to suffer as well because of that? Isn't that making your problem also theirs?
@RoyaltyIntoExile Well people seem to feel a little attacked on this video while I do nothing more then explain what I think...I never tell people what they should do.
That's why there were video rent stores which also had videogames for rent. But since everybody is too cheap to spend a few bucks, these stores also had to close their doors...
I think downloading isn't just bad. I myself also like to have a real album but I haven't got lots of money. I spend all my money on stuff like bandshirts, going to concerts and buying albums but when I run out of money I download some stuff I like. As soon as my salary will be higher I'll buy more but as long as I'm a "poor" apprentice that's my way to do it. What I want to say is that I think it's okay to download because you can't spend that much money but not if you don't want to spend money
@Laivasse I don't put it down as a fact, just as what I think myself. I find it wrong, but it seems a lot of others don't. I don't have the arrogance to think my videos will ever change anybody.....I just throw it out there and see what people react on it. No disrespect to anyone.
People don't understand that illegal downloading has massive effects on bands, labels, stores etc etc...they all think it will just be ok. People have stopped thinking.....
@HammerOfAzrael Well exactly, and I don't pay that amount of money for the big four so I don't go.....downloaders don't want to pay for the concert and try to sneak in.
@bladeofchemistry Yeah yeah I heard ( which I did not know ) that there's a cookie or whatever is being downloaded on your pc with every song you listen to. I find that something completely different from downloading an entire album, keep it and never buy the album because people are to cheap to spend a few bucks on something they like to have.
In most cases it doesn't. It's the same as the cd's. That merch is also provided by the label. However, if you buy from them, you support the label...the label makes money and has money again to help another band to make a cd etc. If a label was really as bad as people make it sound, why would almost all bands want to sign with one?...
I can't make statements for eveyone's personal situation. I meant with it that a lot of people always want to have the newest stuff and don't care how much money to spent on it, but when it comes to music they are just careless.
@brutalizerrr Really? So if a band wants to make some money on their work, you have the right to say "I won't oay you for it because I don't have the money, but I do want your stuff"? Isn't that dragging others into your problem?
And this "The simple fact that a lot of people share a view does not automatically make it right." I never said that, I was also not talking about just random people but about bands, these guys are people that are on 'the field' to put it like that. They have the experience, they see what happens with the music. So if they agree with Guy then that's a sign that he's not the only one who sees what happens.
And I am not talking about the people who check the band out and then go buy the album, even Guy himself said that "Go check it out and then buy the album". I am constantly talking about lazy and greedy people all along....but hey if that's too hard to understand.
And why do you think a label gets a lot of money? Because they also spent a lot of money on the bands. Who do you think prints cds? Shirt? Patches? Promotion? Money spent on that also has to be made back for the label. If it's really that bad to have a label then bands would not be wanting to be with a label so bad. And a lot of bands don't even get paid when they have a gig. They often have to invest in gigs.
Most of the times those albums become very expensive cause they get rare. I collect those but I don't expect everyone to buy those, in those case I would say go and download those.
Same here, I am not mad or anything. I like a good discussion however, sometimes it takes longer to get to almost the same point where the understanding of eachother is.
If someone would offer me a drink? I assume he just passes on something he paid for. If someone offers me a copy of a cd of him he can keep it. I will get my own copy. That comparison is not really valid.
@RazvanStrinu Ok that's your way of seeing it, and that's fine but what if a band wants to earn a few bucks? Who is anyone to tell that band that they will never make any money on their music for whatever lame reason people keep coming up with?
@Failhaid Well yeah, it's not like because some bands choose to spread their work for free that we decide for every band out there that they can never make a few bucks.
I've only downloaded things from bands with albums out of print, only if they aren't against piracy though. I also download if I buy a brand new record without a cd or an mp3 download code.
The problem is, is that people just get too lazy to buy something anyway. They get it of the internet and tell others "don't bother buying it, I got a copy for you right here". If there wasn't anything wrong, the music industry would not suffer as it does now....
It's a circle, if we all download the labels don't sell...they drop the bands that don't sell and eventually a label goes out of business. I know it's unstoppable, but it has to do with moral, just because you CAN do something does not mean you HAVE TO do it. Bands and labels need money from sales to go on and make music, it's time people start realizing that.
The labels also take care for bands so they can produce an album and merchandise....that money has to be paid back by selling albums and the merchandise. If it was really that bad to have a label, then there wouldn't be so many bands looking for one. Bands want to produce a cd, a label can make that happen. Exploiting happens, so does it with every branch of work...
I'll bet you that the law thinks different about that. Your opinion does not change the law. Therefore downloading music, getting access codes, hack in people's computers and get pictures from there etc etc...is already stealing.
@Laivasse Yeah but now we're talking the bigger bands who also get paid when they're playing. I know for a fact that a lot of bands spend more money on investing in their band then what they're getting out of it.
I also have heard by now you trust all sorts of 'independent' institutes. I get my info from people in the field. It depends on what you find more reliable. I see around me what illegal downloading does, but some people don't want to see it I guess. I'd say do what you must but we all know the effects. And like I said, I am not talking about people who want to check it out and then go buy it....
Really? Since there are plenty of people like you who read it and believe everything that's written on internet. I never said I believed what's written on wiki, I posted it there for people if they wanted to know more about this subject.
You can trust me when I say I talk to MANY bands and a lot of those guys invest more money then they will ever make on it. Even IF they work alone without a label, they pay more then they will ever make. And the few bucks they make go straight back into the band again. And indeed, in a lot of cases the bands don't get paid at all.
But do you know how much money a record label spends on a band? For production of a cds, merchandise, promotion. They don't just give that money away, that has to come back with even more..that's their business. Their way to make money. If it was really so bad to have a label then there would not be as much bands looking for one.
Only bigger bands get paid every time they perform. The beginners and not very know bands often don't get paid at all to play. Same goes for shirts, how much would they make on the sale of them? Printing shirts is expensive and then IF they would make any profit on them then they also have to divide that amongst all the band members. So trust me, concert tickets and shirts don't support the band as much as people seem to believe.
Well of course most of that goed to the labels, who print merch, print cd's etc etc. If labels also would not sell anything anymore then no single band would be able to make an album anymore. If it's really bad that labels get most money ( cause they also invest a lot ) then why would most bands want to be signed with a label? By buying original stuff you support the music in general, and therefore also the bands and labels.
If people would have no other option they would be forced to buy an album, and they would..cause they DO want to listen to it. So downloading does cause less sales, the lack of stores where you can buy cd's proves that downloading has damaged that business. And in those stores you could also listen before you buy. You can try to justify it with vague arguments, people who are honest will realize downloading destroys music, End of story.
I know a lot of artists and I can tell you that the little money they make goes straight back into the band again. So they hardly ever see money from it. And downloaders as well as uploaders are to blame...
Dude, I know enough underground bands and people. And for some reason your situation does not apply at all to them. And what is so bad about wanting to sell the thing you create? Creating music is also not free, let alone recording it on cd's etc etc....
But because you can't afford it, those who make the music ( whether it be a label or the band itself does not matter in this ) must share in your problem? No offence but why is music and everything that people can get through the net being considered ok to get for free, but when someone tomorrow steals your car because he wants one but can't afford it...........?
i buy albums whenever i can, but i also download. a lot of the albums i want they don't even sell in record stores and i don't even live near a record store.
I think I recall someone from Ghoul writing an essay that has something to do with illegal downloading. Something about how bands don't get much money for record sales, their money mainly comes from touring and selling their merchandise.
i personally think downloading is wrecking the world of music. people don't demand the quality they used to and its all just a commercialised movement to turn in as much money as possible. im talking about pop that is.
The two have nothing to do with each other.
well they do, itunes the biggest on-line music downloading store was made by apple, to make one thing... money. pop musicians, if you can call them that, aim for money, most of them don't write the music, or the lyrics. take one direction for instance, they are estimated to have made 1 billion pounds between them, they frequently forget there lyrics on stage, because they don't give a fuck, so-long as that pay check is still coming in there happy, go to any other genre live show, If they forgot lyrics in metal people would get really mad, in rock, people would get mad, in anything but pop people would get mad its because in other genres people care about the music. in pop no one cares, look at metalica, 30 years on we still listen to songs they wrote back then, look at pop, i bet you couldn't name me the last top 5 songs in the top 40 list, or 200 if your in the USA, because people don't care about the music any more, pop is a commercialised thing produced to get money. pop and downloading go hand in hand.
I appreciate you taking the time to write such a long response. I still can't seem to fully understand your point. Rest assured I did read it. and, regardless of me not completely understanding, I can agree on a few things. I do believe that the world as a whole is getting lower and lower expectations of people making music.
basically i just feel its getting commercialised and as you say the expectations are lower and lower, i dont really like death metal but i can see the time and dedication that is put into it. downloading is again lowering expectations, when i get an album i want the art work, the CD ect. I feel like nothings put into downloading, just record-send. not record-CD-promote-tour...
Shimmerstrike1 I know this is off-topic to us, but here is what I believe in. Keep in mind, I am a heavily active downloaded from unofficial sources. It's purely because the money is not there to buy the records themselves. NOT suffice to say that my feelings are invalid as what i just say might contradict what's below. I am talking about the guys who steal cause a rush, fun, not caring, etc. I think these suggestions could make an alternative to them. With that said, here is my opinions.I believe there is money to be made for artists with people "stealing their music". Now, i said artists. Not publishers. I feel as if the more audience attending the shows, the bigger you can grow, the more money you can make. I think record companies are the worst thing music could have right now. The whole moral debate is just an underlining thing they've done to ensure they have a monopoly. I am optimistic for the future ahead. When music is free, and you have a lot more people attending shows, able to buy t-shirts, collectables(?), etc. I think it will have the same money spent. So, no extra or decrease. However, I think that the bands getting the money themselves is what makes me happy. I also heard somewhere that if a million songs were sold on itunes as individuals that apple gets 70%, the record company gets 20%, and the artist gets 10%. I don't think there was anything backing that up, but I honestly don't need it backed up. That sounds like what is going on right now... Cheers!
I like to buy my CDs and rip them to mp3s and store them on my phone. I do not share them online though. Is that still considered a violation?
are you downloading & using the files for your own enjoyment?
if you wanna go download stuff for free, thats fine. but if you're gonna pay for a digital download like say itunes.... just buy the fucking disc
I agree
But we all by Ipads, Iphone's, Laptops, expensive clothes etc etc...and then when it comes to music it's too expensive all of the sudden?
There are also bands with people in that same situation. So they would never be able to sell some of their albums because other people want their music but are not able to pay for them?
I like to buy cds and support all the bands that i like plus i think if you steal music it will take the fun out of buying a cd because when you buy it you got a case a booklet and lyrics and its fun to read and listen to your music at the some time
I support underground bands, buy their demo even if I can get it for free; or bands that I'm really into, like Suffocation or Kreator, I'll buy anything they put out because I'm a huge fan. But I just don't see the point buying a Metallica or an Iron Maiden album. They're rich beyond belief and I'd rather use the little amount of money I have to help lesser know bands or go to concerts. I do always buy merchandise (like, patches or t-shirts) from bands I'm seeing live, though, even if they're really rich and famous.
well id still buy from a well known metal band because I dont want to drain the memory of my phone
I must say, I'm somewhere in between on this issue. True, I do download songs and albums from the internet, BUT, if I truely like the music, I WILL buy a real copy of it as soon as I can afford it.
@Laivasse
Does a band also put time, equipment, money in the creating of music?
So where does that money keeps coming from?
Besides, bands don't get paid in a lot of cases and have to buy a lot of tickets and transport themselves...so in that case ALL the money has to come from selling a few shirts here and there?
correct but the albums have already been paid for.
When you sell your car the original creator of that car also does not get anything anymore.
Downloading music is not a big deal to the bands, as it is to the Labels. If you want to help the band, don't loose any of their concerts.
Unkn, you're wrong..If the labels want to help the bands... then they shouldn't steal their copywrites ( material) & royalties..
this has been going on for years
Let me just tell you my story. I live in the butthole of the Earth. Here nobody buys CDs because they're quite expensive. Even the people that have the money to spend on them frequently don't do it because the market is rather small (we don't really have huge CD shops, and those few that are out there don't have much stuff in them). And I am really having financial problems so I'm not able to go out and buy CDs. That, however, doesn't mean I shouldn't listen to music. And, really, I wouldn't if it wasn't for people posting it on TH-cam. It has exposed me to a lot of good music which I would probably never have heard otherwise. It's a way to expose people to music. Now check this out. More people listening to your stuff = more people on the concerts. Which means not only are you more popular, but you earn more from selling tickets. I would prefer it if I could go out and buy a CD but I just can't....
Well here's my opinion. I really don't like this attitude of "Why should I pay for my music if I can just download for free?" Don't get me wrong, I'm not against downloading, even for free. I see some harmony between downloading and buying CDs, after all, it's really an asshole thing to just download stuff people put blood, sweat and tears to create. I've got many of them, but I download music too. A lot of times it happens that I download a few songs of some band, and later when I get money I go and buy it. Sometimes it happens that I download a few songs and decide that band is not my thing, and I just delete them. If I bought an album and after a few listenings I'd decide that it's not my thing, I would not get my money back. Anyway, I think downloading is ok, as long as you buy CDs too. That's my main point.
Does it make sense? :P
+Stachuuu666 ~ I have no problem with your method. It's just that every time you illegally download something, even if you delete it later, you are still encouraging the pirates and uploaders because you are increasing its popularity by using their "services". If that weren't the case though, I don't have a problem with your overall philosophy. I personally don't actually download anything. I just stream it from TH-cam, and if I like it, I buy it. In fact, a lot of labels are putting a few songs from each album on their official TH-cam channels so that people can do just that. You can check out a few of their songs with their blessing, and then buy the CD if you like what you hear. More publishers need to do this. They are working WITH the listener, instead of against them. They are the forward-thinking publishers, and they are the ones we need to support, because they are trying to make things easier for us by helping us in a real way.
+Stachuuu666 ~ In other words, it's best when the bands, the publishers, and the fans can all work together instead of against each other to keep the music alive.
You have a point
@metallicarockk
So a band that wants to make music but sell it, just has bad luck because you don't think it's worth any money?
So you decide for a band or artist whether they will make any money on it or not?
@brutalizerrr
If you choose to do that as a band then that is just fine, but you're saying that all bands should do that and are not allowed to sell their stuff if they want to?
With old albums that are out of press I don't have any problem if people download them..
I did not say that. There are albums out there which you can only get is you pay around 100$, I don't expect people to buy those so if you can find that on a download, be my guest.
How did you think I did that when I was 15 and there wasn't even internet?
If I hack into the computer of a bank and get a series of access codes(which you also can't touch and has no mass ), did I just get them because I could or did I steal it?
So when you download, the label has nothing...the band has nothing, and just because you had nothing you get it all.
What am I doing right now then? I have been dicussing this topic with many people for a long time now, I have heard all the arguments so far. Some are understandable but to me they still do not justify anything.
As for my thoughts, I generally prefer to purchase music because you'll have that awesome artwork, the album itself, the lyric sheet and more. What you get with downloads? Just the MP3s. It just feels good to have the physical copies. Sadly, many music stores are closing left and right.
What you buy at gigs does not necessarily mean that the money also goes to the band.
In a lot of cases they just get a merchandise box from the label.
@immatear
That's fine but I think if a band decides to sell their music and stuff, we should not deny them that chance just because we're too lazy or to cheap to buy it from them
I don't know how that programm works, nor do I use it actually.
I have said many times before I always talked about illegal stuff, greedy people..careless people. Not Joe who download two songs or even an album and then gets it, or when he doesn't like it removes it.
I thought I was very clear in that.
@LyricTroll
I don't use it so I have no idea how it works
There is still a difference in checking the band online or on youtube and downloading an entire album because people just don't wanna spent money on music.
They do want it, but won't pay for it.
And with that think all of the sudden that an album which may have taken years to create is expensive.
@ToTheSummitkicksass
Well yes and no...a lot of bands indeed do not care, which is fine..then I also don't care.
But shows and merch? Have you got any idea what the printing of shirts costs, and how much profit they take from it? Which they also have to share if they band has more then one band member? Also in a lot of cases bands do not get paid at all to play somewhere, it happens more that they don't then when they do get paid.
So why would you refuse to buy a cd then?
Then people will have to make priorities don't they? How does that with other stuff you wanna have but don't have the money for?
@xXMetalforever1994Xx
I know enough about downloading to know I am against it.
So what if you have something someone else wants but doesn't have the money for it?.....
@bladeofchemistry
I don't condemn everyone on downloading....I will make another video on this subject because some people feel really heavily attacked by my opinion.
@qqbloodlover
Why does everybody starts talking about big companies? What does that have to do with a band who might want to make a few bucks on their work? And it's sad that you don't get paid that much, but does a band who would like to sell something have to suffer as well because of that? Isn't that making your problem also theirs?
But I also can't buy everything I want.
And a lot of music is just available streaming online.
@RoyaltyIntoExile
Well people seem to feel a little attacked on this video while I do nothing more then explain what I think...I never tell people what they should do.
That's why there were video rent stores which also had videogames for rent.
But since everybody is too cheap to spend a few bucks, these stores also had to close their doors...
I think downloading isn't just bad. I myself also like to have a real album but I haven't got lots of money. I spend all my money on stuff like bandshirts, going to concerts and buying albums but when I run out of money I download some stuff I like. As soon as my salary will be higher I'll buy more but as long as I'm a "poor" apprentice that's my way to do it. What I want to say is that I think it's okay to download because you can't spend that much money but not if you don't want to spend money
There's no music streaming online? TH-cam itself for example.....
@SuicidalNun I only listen to music from my own cd's, and some on youtube to discover new bands. And I don't watch movies or shows online actually...
@Laivasse
I don't put it down as a fact, just as what I think myself.
I find it wrong, but it seems a lot of others don't. I don't have the arrogance to think my videos will ever change anybody.....I just throw it out there and see what people react on it. No disrespect to anyone.
People don't understand that illegal downloading has massive effects on bands, labels, stores etc etc...they all think it will just be ok.
People have stopped thinking.....
50$, really? It's not that old is it? Or was it some special edition?
I have the promo version right here for you for 7€ ( carton cover )
@HammerOfAzrael
Well exactly, and I don't pay that amount of money for the big four so I don't go.....downloaders don't want to pay for the concert and try to sneak in.
I know, but is that a good reason?
@bladeofchemistry
Yeah yeah I heard ( which I did not know ) that there's a cookie or whatever is being downloaded on your pc with every song you listen to. I find that something completely different from downloading an entire album, keep it and never buy the album because people are to cheap to spend a few bucks on something they like to have.
In most cases it doesn't. It's the same as the cd's. That merch is also provided by the label. However, if you buy from them, you support the label...the label makes money and has money again to help another band to make a cd etc. If a label was really as bad as people make it sound, why would almost all bands want to sign with one?...
I can't make statements for eveyone's personal situation. I meant with it that a lot of people always want to have the newest stuff and don't care how much money to spent on it, but when it comes to music they are just careless.
@brutalizerrr Really? So if a band wants to make some money on their work, you have the right to say "I won't oay you for it because I don't have the money, but I do want your stuff"? Isn't that dragging others into your problem?
And this "The simple fact that a lot of people share a view does not automatically make it right." I never said that, I was also not talking about just random people but about bands, these guys are people that are on 'the field' to put it like that. They have the experience, they see what happens with the music. So if they agree with Guy then that's a sign that he's not the only one who sees what happens.
Who told you that? Many bands don't get paid at all at gigs.
And I am not talking about the people who check the band out and then go buy the album, even Guy himself said that "Go check it out and then buy the album".
I am constantly talking about lazy and greedy people all along....but hey if that's too hard to understand.
@TheBlackfall234
That's why I said I am against those laws, but I still do not approve downloading.
That I can understand, I also have cd's worth a 100 bucks...I don't expect people to buy those.
And why do you think a label gets a lot of money? Because they also spent a lot of money on the bands. Who do you think prints cds? Shirt? Patches? Promotion? Money spent on that also has to be made back for the label.
If it's really that bad to have a label then bands would not be wanting to be with a label so bad.
And a lot of bands don't even get paid when they have a gig. They often have to invest in gigs.
Yes there is, if you use paypal, which just works with your normal bank account, you can just buy online
Most of the times those albums become very expensive cause they get rare.
I collect those but I don't expect everyone to buy those, in those case I would say go and download those.
No I talk about illegal downloading as a bad thing, I just don't like Itunes cause I never download.
Internet stores?
I just like to have something real as a cd in my hands then some mp3 format on my computer
As it seems it's not since we are both not talking about the same group eh?...
Yeah and there are also other companies who do that with their personnel. But only in this case you hear people complain about it.
Same here, I am not mad or anything. I like a good discussion however, sometimes it takes longer to get to almost the same point where the understanding of eachother is.
If someone would offer me a drink? I assume he just passes on something he paid for. If someone offers me a copy of a cd of him he can keep it. I will get my own copy. That comparison is not really valid.
Ofcourse, all cd and dvd stores are closing one by one..
@RazvanStrinu Ok that's your way of seeing it, and that's fine but what if a band wants to earn a few bucks? Who is anyone to tell that band that they will never make any money on their music for whatever lame reason people keep coming up with?
Both examples prohibit a same certain situation...getting an illegal opportunity doesn't mean you have to do it. That's all I meant with it.
@Failhaid
Well yeah, it's not like because some bands choose to spread their work for free that we decide for every band out there that they can never make a few bucks.
I've only downloaded things from bands with albums out of print, only if they aren't against piracy though. I also download if I buy a brand new record without a cd or an mp3 download code.
The problem is, is that people just get too lazy to buy something anyway. They get it of the internet and tell others "don't bother buying it, I got a copy for you right here".
If there wasn't anything wrong, the music industry would not suffer as it does now....
It's a circle, if we all download the labels don't sell...they drop the bands that don't sell and eventually a label goes out of business. I know it's unstoppable, but it has to do with moral, just because you CAN do something does not mean you HAVE TO do it. Bands and labels need money from sales to go on and make music, it's time people start realizing that.
@Mewsevelt
In a lot of cases they also don't get paid on shows....mostly they don't actually.
A lot of bands want to produce a real album, not just on the internet.
And that costs money.
The labels also take care for bands so they can produce an album and merchandise....that money has to be paid back by selling albums and the merchandise.
If it was really that bad to have a label, then there wouldn't be so many bands looking for one. Bands want to produce a cd, a label can make that happen. Exploiting happens, so does it with every branch of work...
I never had that indeed...if that happens you need a new computer
I'll bet you that the law thinks different about that.
Your opinion does not change the law. Therefore downloading music, getting access codes, hack in people's computers and get pictures from there etc etc...is already stealing.
As long as artists get paid I guess it's fine, however I don't use it myself.
@Laivasse
Yeah but now we're talking the bigger bands who also get paid when they're playing.
I know for a fact that a lot of bands spend more money on investing in their band then what they're getting out of it.
I also have heard by now you trust all sorts of 'independent' institutes. I get my info from people in the field. It depends on what you find more reliable. I see around me what illegal downloading does, but some people don't want to see it I guess. I'd say do what you must but we all know the effects. And like I said, I am not talking about people who want to check it out and then go buy it....
Really? Since there are plenty of people like you who read it and believe everything that's written on internet. I never said I believed what's written on wiki, I posted it there for people if they wanted to know more about this subject.
You can trust me when I say I talk to MANY bands and a lot of those guys invest more money then they will ever make on it. Even IF they work alone without a label, they pay more then they will ever make. And the few bucks they make go straight back into the band again. And indeed, in a lot of cases the bands don't get paid at all.
@erik96yo
You think I was born at 32 years old?
Yes, I don't steal from others and my problems are not other people's problems.
That's how you look at it. I wonder why someone who creates something should give it to you for free just because you can't afford to buy it.
I have no idea who that is.
But do you know how much money a record label spends on a band? For production of a cds, merchandise, promotion. They don't just give that money away, that has to come back with even more..that's their business. Their way to make money. If it was really so bad to have a label then there would not be as much bands looking for one.
Only bigger bands get paid every time they perform. The beginners and not very know bands often don't get paid at all to play. Same goes for shirts, how much would they make on the sale of them? Printing shirts is expensive and then IF they would make any profit on them then they also have to divide that amongst all the band members.
So trust me, concert tickets and shirts don't support the band as much as people seem to believe.
I said in this video that I disgareed with laws like these..
Well of course most of that goed to the labels, who print merch, print cd's etc etc.
If labels also would not sell anything anymore then no single band would be able to make an album anymore. If it's really bad that labels get most money ( cause they also invest a lot ) then why would most bands want to be signed with a label?
By buying original stuff you support the music in general, and therefore also the bands and labels.
If people would have no other option they would be forced to buy an album, and they would..cause they DO want to listen to it.
So downloading does cause less sales, the lack of stores where you can buy cd's proves that downloading has damaged that business. And in those stores you could also listen before you buy. You can try to justify it with vague arguments, people who are honest will realize downloading destroys music, End of story.
I know a lot of artists and I can tell you that the little money they make goes straight back into the band again. So they hardly ever see money from it. And downloaders as well as uploaders are to blame...
Ofcourse, however..our music, the metal artists don't make that kind of money and this music depends mostly on our support.
Yeah you buy em once...just like cd's right?
But your last sentence is also correct.
Internet man, loads of distributors online...
Well the law should actually take action, people know that nothing happens when they up or download. There's the problem
Dude, I know enough underground bands and people.
And for some reason your situation does not apply at all to them. And what is so bad about wanting to sell the thing you create? Creating music is also not free, let alone recording it on cd's etc etc....
But because you can't afford it, those who make the music ( whether it be a label or the band itself does not matter in this ) must share in your problem?
No offence but why is music and everything that people can get through the net being considered ok to get for free, but when someone tomorrow steals your car because he wants one but can't afford it...........?
i buy albums whenever i can, but i also download. a lot of the albums i want they don't even sell in record stores and i don't even live near a record store.
I think I recall someone from Ghoul writing an essay that has something to do with illegal downloading. Something about how bands don't get much money for record sales, their money mainly comes from touring and selling their merchandise.