It's interesting how much Roman interrupts Andre. He'll be in the middle of explaining one thing or about to show one thing and then he just asks about something else 😅
I thought the same thing. Even in the last video. Also feel like Roman has been getting excited about the gimmicks lately more than the important stuff.
What’s NOT different about them is that they will both have market adjustments that make them astronomically overpriced and out of reach of most enthusiasts who will use them the way they should be used.
I personally think that “how they should be used” is up to the individual who actually purchases one. Sounds to me like you can’t afford one but want to impose rules on those that can. Jealous much?
90% of them are just pavement princesses anyway that may see a gravel parking lot now and then, which you definitely need armor, winch, and beadlock wheels for.
@@freedompanda9438 I absolutely can’t afford one after the massive markups that will be coming on them, but I think that’s sad enough as it is. I’m glad there are plenty of obviously very well-to-do people out there like you who can afford to pay dealer markups (thus incentivizing) it so that you can *decide* to do nothing but highway miles with your Trailhunter. Enjoy it mate!
Both sweet trucks, but I think with 8 models of Tacoma, one of them should have a front locker. Can't wait to see the prices of these after dealer mark up!
all will be more than $50K ! dealers go crazy now, will never stop rising the price, until all of their lot's stays full of cars for month or even years unsold.
According to the Toyota release video, the Trailhunter is specifically designed for Overlanding. The exhaust dump in the center is specific to maximize departure angle. There is an option to have a locking compartment behind the rear seats.
Love the new design. It makes me excited for the next 4Runner. I hope it carries the same design language and give it the tough muscular look. For my use, it's definitely the Trailhunter variant for me. I hope they offer the same variant on the next 4Runner.
Weird I have the exact opposite feeling. Not a fan at all. Bigger/bulkier. Dont like the blacked out roof. Don't like the weird square shiny black fender flares. I feel seriously concerned about the next generation 4runner now...
The most content on the 2024 Tacoma is right here. As usual. I've watched several reviews in the new Tacoma today, and I have found some reviews lacking information. Thanks again for a good first review. I am looking forward to seeing you guys get your hands on one for a full test and comparison.
@@donwarner6925his point is that the tacoma will be way too expensive brand new. And with Toyotas history they’ll just ride this platform for years so why buy brand new when you can buy used. It’ll still have good reliability and most people who buy the “trdpro or trail hunter” will most likely not do either so they’ll still be shiny.
Hahaa, Toyota owners problems to the max right there. But seriously, I wonder if the legendary reliability will continue with the new lineup. And I don't mean first 3-5 years of ownership, like a lot of ppl now like to gloat about having no issues after 15k miles.....? I mean 10-20 years down the road.
@@TermlessHGW Yeah reliabililty is suspect for these. Its probably gonna be burning oil when you get into higher mileage. All the boost and increased pressure is gonna wear things down faster. I wouldn't even touch the hybrid model. Battery dies and your out 5-10 grand. It better be a huge leap in efficiency and I am willing to bet it won't be. 25mpg in town. Maybe 30 on interstate. No load of course.
Roman and Andre, the pocket behind the passenger seat is normally called a map pocket (you know this), and it’s for the driver only not for the passenger, which is the reason there isn’t one behind the driver seat.
Ill be curious what the actual suspension travel is on these. The Ranger Raptor and Colorado ZR2 both have 10" front and 11.5" rear. No front locking differential is disappointing. But a disconnecting sway bar is a nice feature. And then theres the fine details... Like will Toyota let you use the rear diff lock in 4H (because they dont on the Tundra). How fast can you go with the sway bar disconnected? Whats the transfer case low ratio? We'll probably be waiting awhile to get these numbers.
I wish Toyota would step in and prevent the dealership pricing abuse. I really like everything I've seen here on the new models. I have a 2015 Tundra with the 5.7...it's simple and will never die. The only thing I don't like on the new model is that there is NO room under the rear seats, so it really limits those with big dogs. Goose Gear makes rear seat deletes with flat platforms for frig. and other accessories. I think they could have found a better place for the batteries which is in the same dumb location as the new Tundra.
Bingo! I hate how complicated everything has become. I mean do we really need power tail gates! For an example lol. I see lots of things to break and expensive to replace in the future especially if people really off road these.
It's easier to sand down and repaint scratches on a painted fender than on the plastic one. Once the black plastic one gets scratched it's pretty much stuck like that
Love the new Taco.....luv the rear disc brakes and new interior/dash info. The new Taco is going to take away buyers from the Tundra.....looks way better and cheaper. Unless u need to tow a 9K trailer, the new Taco will b just fine. I mite trade in my Limited CrewMax Tundra for this thing
I would say that the reason that there is a pocket on the back of the front passenger seat and not one on the back of the driver seat is because most of the times it is only the driver in the car/truck so if they are going to place something back there the driver can easily reach the back of the passenger seat
@@induction7895 I can tell you never went overlanding before in your life. It's not being soft to carry adequate supplies to make sure you survive the journey over miles of very rugged terrain that no bicycle could make it through. Go be a troll somewhere else.
@@truth959 People have traveled the entire world on bicycles, motorcycles, and all sorts of vehicles. Even in your scenario for places you cannot reach by bicycle and absolutely need to have a truck, are you telling me that you absolutely need to have one with 6 feet bed and cannot do with 5 or 5.5 feet one? Talk about being soft.
So they sacrifice rear seat leg room for some reebok pump seats while making you think they're necessary and charging more for non adjustable headrest? Got it 👍🏽 Lol
@@DavidGolden-nl9ko imagine having to explain that to the wife when she asks why the kids are crying. OOF. another blabbering husband explaining the technology of a car where she snarkly snaps back with "its just a seat" causing us to FUME because it is much much more than a seat. Toyota says so.
Toyota did not disappoint, these trucks looks good! That said, they are way overpriced but a man can always dream. I love that they still look like Tacomas, unlike what they did to the Tundra. I would go Trailhunter since it has a bigger bed. But if it wasn’t for that I would go TRD Pro. Both really cool…
While im uneasy about the price of these things and not too hot on a 4 cyclinder turbo. Im glad to see toyota actually putting in the work to make this a class leading truck, was worried it was going to be like the tundra where its only justt caught up to competition after all these years.
The hybrid is absolutely useless on the higher trims due to the added weight so fuel numbers will not be anything significant. The four-cylinder turbos are sort of weak also. I won't touch a midsize truck unless it has 300+ HP.
For my wife I have the 2023 highlander with the 4 cylander turbo and it has plenty of power and torque. I drove it on a family trip to Texas from Indiana back and forth. It was pure easy mode for on ramps and passing.
Nice job Toyota. You've really gone to the next level. Love both the trucks but totally loving that Trailhunter. I've been putting off trading in my FJ and now that Trailhunter has been intrigued. Not that it's a deal breaker but I hope you change your mind about offering and keeping the sunroof. Especially in a truck that's supposed to be all about the outdoor enthusiast. Another option I'm curious to know about, Has Toyota allowed for the addition of a winch? I did notice in another walkaround that there are multiple power take offs for adding more accessories. Cannot wait until it hits the market. Cheers!
Great video series on the Taco guys!! I think Roman just gave away his 24 long term test vehicle the 24' Taco Trailhunter. Build out the Andre's Colorado for overlanding and then take both to Montana. Visit the Xpedition Overland team while you are there. Epic!
As an offroader and owner of multiple Toyota trucks - the one thing that stuck out to me badly that I don't like is the skid plate teeth and gap between the underside skid and bumper protection. That gap and "teeth" are going to dig into obstacles and become a real PITA~ see 14:07
Little baby Tundra is here! 😢 2d gens are the most reliable and best ones to buy. You know Toyota is going to take this new grille look on the 4Runner too. All cars and trucks look the same these days 😩 Those seats rock though love the red color!
15 years in a Gen 2. Can confirm. Gen 3 went backwards. Driving one currently. 12-14 Tacoma is the best midsize we've been offered. Drum brakes and all.
So, the pro is now targeted for desert running with the racing seats. And the TH is the new rock crawler. Heard them say it has DC sway bar. And rear lockers. Did not mention any MTS, CC or KDSS options tho. I would take the TH in its current colors and configuration. Very nice looking rig. (if I needed a small 2.4 liter engine truck)
Agreed. The design of this and also the tundra is ugly imo. Much prefer the current 5th gen Tacoma and old tundra looks-wise. Will be jealous of more powerful motor, but that’s about it.
Never thought i'd see the TFL crew in the damn jungle haha, that environment is taxing on the body if you're not a young buck. Humidity, heavy terrain changes, elevation effects, props to these guys for going the distance, literally to Hawaii haha.
Best truck I ever owned: 2001 Toyota Tacoma 4wd Regular Cab w/ manual transmission. Had 11.4 inches of stock ground clearance and better fuel economy than many of these modern rigs. Much better approach/departure angles, too. Cost $17,000 in 2001. So about $28,000 in today’s dollars.
One big issue with these "off road" trucks are the plastic front bumpers. Your not going to add a winch with a plastic bumper and the first time you hit something that does not agree with the approach angle (Tommy's demise), you will probably break some plastic. Very nice refresh overall but I believe the aftermarket will need to fill the bumper gap to complete these builds.
@@van_mod1 I assume this too. May take some time but hopefully not long. Toy didn't make it easy to do when looking at the front end and how everything lines up.
Most people will probably better off with a TRD Off-Road and adding a lift kit anyway, which should have a sunroof option. The decision not to have sunroof makes sense on the Trailhunter given it’s marketed towards overland, which you expect to mount things to the roof anyway.
Good video! My biggest issue is that it seems not a single channel seemed to report anything about the TRD Pro interior. It’s the ONLY interior that is shown and it’s…well…LOUD. No one bothered to ask the simple question: “Will this model come in more than one interior color scheme?” Flown out to Hawaii, put up in hotels, and it seems like most everyone just desperately tried to get as much video footage as they could, but never asked one of the most glaringly obvious questions? I’ve watched just about every release video from last week, and man…not even a “We asked but they couldn’t answer” answer.
watch the other TFL videos on the new tacoma...Andre has said the new seating position is great, no complaints (they even have one with the lead designer, Sheldon, stating that they specifically designed the seating position to be higher and accommodate taller people).
According to dealers I've talked to regarding ordering a Trailhunter or Tacoma in general with options put on from the factory so you can roll into your monthy payment and get what you want, there's no custom order option for the Tacomas. I've watched and listened to other podcast and videos where Toyota Spoke persons, influencers, interviewers, reviewers say you can but not according to the place you actually purchase them.
Of these 2 I think I'd rather have the Trailhunter. I think I might like the look of it slightly better and it seems to be more usable for everything but the Desert Running. And if I was going to use the bed I think I like the idea of a longer bed.
@@erikkuhlemeyer9402 not jealous at all. I do not want a complicated truck. It’s a tool for me, not a status symbol. What I do not like is that there is nothing for the average guy who needs a good truck. You have to buy used and the junk they are making today doesn’t last because they are overly complicated.
The 3rd Gen is my favorite style. This one will have to grow on me. I don’t drive my 2016 TRD Off Road much but it’s there when I need it and with only 28K miles it should last me for years to come.
Everyone keeps saying save the manuals, but yet you can't get a manual in any of the off-road trucks! Then they're going to say there's no demand for the manual. Every manufacturer keeps doing this, "I want a manual", "well you can have it, just as long as it's in our slowest and the least versatile of our vehicles". It's also sad to see that the seats from the Pro can't be optioned into the Trailhunter and no sunroof available in it either. Also, dear God, Roman let Andre finish talking for once. Andre is always in the middle of talking about something more important, then Roman, "Hey, let's talk about this useless feature instead." "Hey, Andre, stop talking. Let's talk about the JBL speaker, (this portion of the video is sponsored by JBL, yeah JBL) How many times do we have to hear about the most useless feature of the vehicle? Don't get me wrong. I love the content and coverage, I just hate Roman constantly cutting Andre off when he's explaining something more important.
Then dont pay dealer markup??? Dealers keep charging it because people keep PAYING it. There are dealers that do msrp and if you cant find one. BE PATIENT. Dealers keep charging because people keep PAYING.
Doesn't it seem strange that the trim that's more for rock crawling/overlanding (which has a LOT of head bobbing action) is NOT the one with the seat gimbel that reduces head bobbing??
With the new Tacoma, Toyota appears to have done a lot of things right. Probably one of the most promising things is that Toyota may have finally fixed some of the horrible ergonomics of the previous generations. That said, here are my big three criticisms: 1. ALL Tacoma 4WD models need an "all-wheel-drive" selection in the transfer case. Full-time 4WD for patchy slick highway conditions in winter is very handy. 2. The TRD Pro and Trailhunter need a front locking differential. 3. Ground clearance in the TRD Pro is adequate, but not great. 4. Biggest criticism of all--true of ALL of the new mid-sizes--the price. The TRD Pro and Trailhunter will likely have an MSRP of $60K+, a price that makes the trucks unaffordable to most of the demographic that would be the most likely buyers of the trucks. Sort of like the beautiful fancy cars of the Great Depression era--beautiful and performance-laden for the era, but only about 1% of the population could afford one.
1. No, this is a feature for people who can't be bothered to learn to drive and expect their vehicle to do it for them, take a taxi. 2. No, a front locker is nearly useless and is a just for show, bragging rights, kind of option. Locker usage is required mostly when climbing steep hills, and there will be little weight on the front axle, so there will be very little that a front locker can do to help. 3. Agreed. 4. Sales figures do not agree with you. Plenty of people are buying $100,000 trucks. I predict Tacoma will continue to sell well.
@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus I've been driving 4WD vehicles for over 50 years. I know what works and what doesn't. "Full-time" 4WD can be a great tool for numerous driving situations. Necessary? No, but nice to have. A front locker is nice to have for very low traction situations, however, it must be used judiciously because a locked front axle will tend to plow ahead straight in very slick situations, even with the front wheels turned. As to prices, I have friends who are new car dealers. They are seeing serious consumer price resistance at MSRP's over $60K, and, with increasing interest rates, that resistance point may be $50 or less within a few months.
I love skid plates, but when you have a lot down there and you're overlanding in a very hot place, for example, like Africa, Australia, or middle east the whole exterior underbody get really hot because the skid plates trap the heat and also store heat
That may be true. But unless someone is shipping one from North America, it would be the Hilux. Or a LC79. Not a Taco. And most people won't be overlanding in Death Valley the middle of summer.
@Eric Schneider Yes, actually, theres a lot of people who overland during the summer in those regions. There's people who are living off the grid, and all they do is overland different parts of the world, and they do that for years.
@@tariqsalim2222 I didn’t say no one did it. But a majority of North American overlanders would be farther north. Or at a higher elevation in the middle of summer. The rest of the world is irrelevant. The Tacoma is only available in North America. The rest of the world gets the Hilux. Which is an entirely different vehicle and chassis. And anyone who does it full time, or is willing to pay to ship it overseas is not going to drive a factory built rig. They will build their own rig.
So cool, great videos as always! Love the new redesign. It sounds like they added more room for us taller people in the front, did they add more room in the back? Our 2018 Tacoma crew cab is so tight both legroom and headroom.
11:11 that exhaust is not legal in Phoenix AZ. Law states something like the exhaust tip has to be easily reachable by the tech to pass emissions test. Aka no dumps
I like the new Tacoma. However, I feel that Toyota should of done more with the Trailhunter to further differentiate from the TRD Pro. Other than the shocks, snorkel, exhaust, interior, bed utility bar as well as a longer bed, the Trailhunter is, to me, very similar to the TRD Pro in terms of options. What Toyota should of done with the Trailhunter, is add an ARB front steel bumper that's winch capable or with a winch already installed, an extra 2-3 inches of lift, front locker, full underbody skid plate, and 35 inch tires. That would truly make the Trailhunter the top of the line Tacoma and differentiate it from the TRD Pro.
We are in the market for a new mid size truck. I've watched a lot of your videos, and a lot talk about the possibilities of spec, adding accessories and all the options you can choose. The reality I've found is that nobody will allow you to spec a car and the spec the dealers order are all the same. We're in what feels like an odd position in that the difficulties in purchasing what we want is the only thing stopping us buying! I'd love to see a video about the realities and any tips on purchasing a new vehicle in 2023
No front locking diff? No full-time 4WD? No front recovery hooks? No winch? No 35’s? These had better be aggressively priced if they hope to sell them against the current competition. They are missing a lot of key features.
Doesn't compare to ZR2 as far as ability. Front locker is everything. Id rather have a front standard locker and no rear. A lot of window dressing on the Toyota
@@robertchapman4488 didn't say that it did. Original comment was saying because of the lack of options it'll need to be aggressively priced which isn't true. The current model is old and missing all the features he listed and still outsells the other new trucks all day long.
Finally!! a tune won't just be good for a 5 hp/tq bump on the Tacoma!!! I can't WAIT to see some 400whp/500+wtq on these tuned 2.4l!! Fast and Tacoma will go together in a sentence!?!?!
The trail Hunter would be 1st choice for versatility in off roading. Some of the features such as a JBL, The moonroof, and the so-call detail logo on the underbody carriage protection plate are features that I don't really care much for as an unecesscity thing that are just an added weight.
It has the defective Turbos. I will never be able to figure out why Toyota would go with Turbos over a bulletproof Supercharger? If Toyota has one design flaw, it's with its Turbos. Just look at the problems they are still having with the Turbos on the Tundra.
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It's interesting how much Roman interrupts Andre. He'll be in the middle of explaining one thing or about to show one thing and then he just asks about something else 😅
Attention Deficit Disorder. They are a perfect team though. TFL has an all around likeable crew.
It’s annoying
I thought the same thing. Even in the last video. Also feel like Roman has been getting excited about the gimmicks lately more than the important stuff.
Shut up, Andre! I want to show them this amazing "easter egg badge"...jeeeeeeeesus.
That’s been my biggest issue when Roman is in any video!!!
I’ve now seen 3 videos on these trucks and Andre still hasn’t gotten to explain this recovery jack points in the rear before getting interrupted.
What’s NOT different about them is that they will both have market adjustments that make them astronomically overpriced and out of reach of most enthusiasts who will use them the way they should be used.
yah its absurd everything has to be ruined by society somehow someway
Work harder
I personally think that “how they should be used” is up to the individual who actually purchases one. Sounds to me like you can’t afford one but want to impose rules on those that can. Jealous much?
90% of them are just pavement princesses anyway that may see a gravel parking lot now and then, which you definitely need armor, winch, and beadlock wheels for.
@@freedompanda9438 I absolutely can’t afford one after the massive markups that will be coming on them, but I think that’s sad enough as it is. I’m glad there are plenty of obviously very well-to-do people out there like you who can afford to pay dealer markups (thus incentivizing) it so that you can *decide* to do nothing but highway miles with your Trailhunter. Enjoy it mate!
Both sweet trucks, but I think with 8 models of Tacoma, one of them should have a front locker. Can't wait to see the prices of these after dealer mark up!
all will be more than $50K ! dealers go crazy now, will never stop rising the price, until all of their lot's stays full of cars for month or even years unsold.
@Vasley Green I think by the time this hit the market the recession will have set in enough that dealers have to stop pretending it's covid time.
It have a sway bar disconnect....am certain this will suffice for 90% of Tacoma buyers
Let's be honest: 99% of Tacoma drivers never even use their *rear* locker.
@@vasleygreen1346 100%. The current TRD Pro is 50... I can only imagine what these will be.
According to the Toyota release video, the Trailhunter is specifically designed for Overlanding. The exhaust dump in the center is specific to maximize departure angle. There is an option to have a locking compartment behind the rear seats.
Love the new design. It makes me excited for the next 4Runner. I hope it carries the same design language and give it the tough muscular look. For my use, it's definitely the Trailhunter variant for me. I hope they offer the same variant on the next 4Runner.
I hope they keep the v6 as a option tho 🤞🏼
@@scoobysid04 doubt it 😢 but I hope 🤞
Weird I have the exact opposite feeling. Not a fan at all. Bigger/bulkier. Dont like the blacked out roof. Don't like the weird square shiny black fender flares. I feel seriously concerned about the next generation 4runner now...
@@scoobysid04 no v6 and thats why the sequoia and tundra exist
@@volvoxc9086 😂
The most content on the 2024 Tacoma is right here. As usual. I've watched several reviews in the new Tacoma today, and I have found some reviews lacking information. Thanks again for a good first review. I am looking forward to seeing you guys get your hands on one for a full test and comparison.
Markups are going to be insane. I'll buy one in 15 years for $30,000
Find a dealer that doesn’t mark up vehicles. They exist.
@@donwarner6925 Great point! Just spoke to one today about this who will sell at MSRP. Let's all support these dealers!
60k Tacoma here we come 🤪
Smart man, that’s what I’ll do for the sequoia lol
@@donwarner6925his point is that the tacoma will be way too expensive brand new. And with Toyotas history they’ll just ride this platform for years so why buy brand new when you can buy used. It’ll still have good reliability and most people who buy the “trdpro or trail hunter” will most likely not do either so they’ll still be shiny.
I'd love to have one of these but I'm convinced my 2013 Taco will never die. A heat-shield did come loose the other day though, maybe there's hope...
Hahaa, Toyota owners problems to the max right there. But seriously, I wonder if the legendary reliability will continue with the new lineup. And I don't mean first 3-5 years of ownership, like a lot of ppl now like to gloat about having no issues after 15k miles.....? I mean 10-20 years down the road.
@@TermlessHGW Yeah reliabililty is suspect for these. Its probably gonna be burning oil when you get into higher mileage. All the boost and increased pressure is gonna wear things down faster. I wouldn't even touch the hybrid model. Battery dies and your out 5-10 grand. It better be a huge leap in efficiency and I am willing to bet it won't be. 25mpg in town. Maybe 30 on interstate. No load of course.
2013??
Maaaaaaaaannn, that’s still got 20 years of life left lol
The perfect amount of time for these to depreciate enough for a straight trade in lol
My 2007 camry with 140K miles has 0 issues
Nope no hope my 2000 is still kicking with 270000
Andre killing it with the review!
Roman and Andre, the pocket behind the passenger seat is normally called a map pocket (you know this), and it’s for the driver only not for the passenger, which is the reason there isn’t one behind the driver seat.
Please tell me that the TRD Pro comes with seat colour options. No interest in red seats.
Looks like two nicer options from the previous models. Not looking forward to the prices.
10K mark ups for sure.
Would love to see a side by side comparison between this trail hunter and the Colorado ZR2 to see capabilities and efficiency!
I guarantee you TFL will tackle that comparison soon, but not until more is known in terms of price, hauling, and towing for the Trailhunter.
The TRD Pro in white reminds me of the white NMU trucks from District 9. The new Taco looks good 👍
That was a good movie
Ill be curious what the actual suspension travel is on these. The Ranger Raptor and Colorado ZR2 both have 10" front and 11.5" rear. No front locking differential is disappointing. But a disconnecting sway bar is a nice feature. And then theres the fine details... Like will Toyota let you use the rear diff lock in 4H (because they dont on the Tundra). How fast can you go with the sway bar disconnected? Whats the transfer case low ratio? We'll probably be waiting awhile to get these numbers.
After seeing all the new mid size trucks I'm convinced to just go full size.
I’m team Trail Hunter all the way. I’ve literally been holding off 10 years on buying a truck for this moment right here 😅
I would be real happy myself with the Trailhunter except for the lack of rear access door.
@@davidcox2197 what do you mean?
Same but for the new Ranger Raptor😂.
Good looking trucks I think Toyota did a great job redesigning their trucks love my 23’ Tundra only 6K miles so far but no issues. Great job guys
That Tundra is hideous 🤢
I wish Toyota would step in and prevent the dealership pricing abuse. I really like everything I've seen here on the new models. I have a 2015 Tundra with the 5.7...it's simple and will never die. The only thing I don't like on the new model is that there is NO room under the rear seats, so it really limits those with big dogs. Goose Gear makes rear seat deletes with flat platforms for frig. and other accessories. I think they could have found a better place for the batteries which is in the same dumb location as the new Tundra.
All I want is a basic 4x4 taco 4 door for less than 40k it’s insane
Bingo! I hate how complicated everything has become. I mean do we really need power tail gates! For an example lol. I see lots of things to break and expensive to replace in the future especially if people really off road these.
Buy the previous gen 🤦🏼♂️😒😒
Simple. Don't buy it. Get the previous gen 🤡🤡🤡@@truckerrickakamanowar
@@350z33hr I buy what I want. A real clown look in the mirror. I've got my opinion. Don't like it move on.
@@350z33hr see the other reply.
Those going to be $70k+ out the door.
who is that idiot to pay 70K for shitmover??? its just a small pick up, all cheep plastic interior, that turbo engine life no more than 150k miles.
With a 9.9% APR
More than that
damn 9.9% apr? Must have bad credit 🤔
Rising interest rates!
I don't get why they made the wheel arches glossy black. Those are going to get market up bigtime if the truck is used as a truck.
I agree, that gloss black gets scratched easily and ends up looking bad very quickly in the sun.
How many people are going to buy these and actually use them for truck work?
It's easier to sand down and repaint scratches on a painted fender than on the plastic one. Once the black plastic one gets scratched it's pretty much stuck like that
Love the new Taco.....luv the rear disc brakes and new interior/dash info. The new Taco is going to take away buyers from the Tundra.....looks way better and cheaper. Unless u need to tow a 9K trailer, the new Taco will b just fine. I mite trade in my Limited CrewMax Tundra for this thing
I would say that the reason that there is a pocket on the back of the front passenger seat and not one on the back of the driver seat is because most of the times it is only the driver in the car/truck so if they are going to place something back there the driver can easily reach the back of the passenger seat
I’m buying the TRD Pro in that exact same color combo. It’s gonna fit in just fine with my 99 TRD and my 2008 TRD.
I have a 21 TRD Off-Road Tacoma with a V6 I think I’ll stick with it.
You poor
@@sv991311 nah he smart.
Can't wait for a Ranger Raptor, ZR2 Bison, TRD PRO, Gladiator Mohave comparison tests!!!
I can’t wait for world peace.
@@PabloCruise1 Keep waiting
@@PabloCruise1 Good luck with that.
It did say Trailhunter on the skid plate.
Love the Trailhunter! The aftermarket world is going to be crazy insane!!! Great report guys!!!!🤙🏻
Those Tacoma’s looks really good. Toyota should’ve put that front end design on the Tundra as well.
They probably will during the Tundra's mid-cycle refresh.
@@nicholassmith7048 I hope they do!
They also put it on the 2024 corolla and sienna
You definitely need the longbed for overlanding. I'm sure the overlanders will appreciate that option.
There are people who overland on bicycles so you definitely don't need a longbed. But good to have the option.
@@induction7895 Lol! Your joking right?
@@truth959 No. People are too soft and have the need to carry their home and all their junks just to go out camping.
@@induction7895 I can tell you never went overlanding before in your life. It's not being soft to carry adequate supplies to make sure you survive the journey over miles of very rugged terrain that no bicycle could make it through. Go be a troll somewhere else.
@@truth959 People have traveled the entire world on bicycles, motorcycles, and all sorts of vehicles. Even in your scenario for places you cannot reach by bicycle and absolutely need to have a truck, are you telling me that you absolutely need to have one with 6 feet bed and cannot do with 5 or 5.5 feet one? Talk about being soft.
So they sacrifice rear seat leg room for some reebok pump seats while making you think they're necessary and charging more for non adjustable headrest? Got it 👍🏽 Lol
Wouldn't want any kids in the back airing you down
@@DavidGolden-nl9ko son, my sacroiliac joint feels tense, i assume it is due to my LR air-to-oil ratio has been thrown off. DID YOU TOUCH MY PUMPS?
@@DavidGolden-nl9ko imagine having to explain that to the wife when she asks why the kids are crying. OOF. another blabbering husband explaining the technology of a car where she snarkly snaps back with "its just a seat" causing us to FUME because it is much much more than a seat. Toyota says so.
Toyota did not disappoint, these trucks looks good! That said, they are way overpriced but a man can always dream. I love that they still look like Tacomas, unlike what they did to the Tundra. I would go Trailhunter since it has a bigger bed. But if it wasn’t for that I would go TRD Pro. Both really cool…
While im uneasy about the price of these things and not too hot on a 4 cyclinder turbo. Im glad to see toyota actually putting in the work to make this a class leading truck, was worried it was going to be like the tundra where its only justt caught up to competition after all these years.
Outside of the hybrid engine and the Trailhunter, it has only "caught up".
The hybrid is absolutely useless on the higher trims due to the added weight so fuel numbers will not be anything significant. The four-cylinder turbos are sort of weak also. I won't touch a midsize truck unless it has 300+ HP.
Some, stay ignorant, quiet, and do not write. Just leave everybody alone.
For my wife I have the 2023 highlander with the 4 cylander turbo and it has plenty of power and torque. I drove it on a family trip to Texas from Indiana back and forth. It was pure easy mode for on ramps and passing.
Why do you want so much hp for a truck? I prefer torque in my truck and if i want something to drive fast I'd just buy a car.
I want a PreRunner. My 2015 PreRunner with fox 2.5 DSC rac shocks and 34’s have served me well. I love the 4 cylinder. Never a problem
Nice job Toyota. You've really gone to the next level. Love both the trucks but totally loving that Trailhunter. I've been putting off trading in my FJ and now that Trailhunter has been intrigued. Not that it's a deal breaker but I hope you change your mind about offering and keeping the sunroof. Especially in a truck that's supposed to be all about the outdoor enthusiast. Another option I'm curious to know about, Has Toyota allowed for the addition of a winch? I did notice in another walkaround that there are multiple power take offs for adding more accessories. Cannot wait until it hits the market. Cheers!
Watching to learn cuz 1 of these could be my next truck. Andre is the guru! Great vid, I always watch y’all!
That Trailhunter with a 6 foot bed could be my next truck. Not sure if I can live with the rear seat room of a mid-sized truck though.
Why ? You driving for Uber ?
@@Aceinfinity-le8zc Child seats and bringing adults with you.
@@PeakDecline man you tell those people to walk! You just enjoy your new ride! 😂
too bad they'll be way over sticker for a while. won't be on my list for that reason. I'm thinking zr2 now markups just delays right on delivery.
I'm in the same boat, makes a used Ram Limited seem like my best bet . They are consistently at 30- 35k used
Great video series on the Taco guys!! I think Roman just gave away his 24 long term test vehicle the 24' Taco Trailhunter. Build out the Andre's Colorado for overlanding and then take both to Montana. Visit the Xpedition Overland team while you are there. Epic!
Nice truck. I hate how tall the dash is. RIP pedestrians crossing the street. You’re going to need a camera to see out the front.
As an offroader and owner of multiple Toyota trucks - the one thing that stuck out to me badly that I don't like is the skid plate teeth and gap between the underside skid and bumper protection. That gap and "teeth" are going to dig into obstacles and become a real PITA~ see 14:07
Little baby Tundra is here! 😢 2d gens are the most reliable and best ones to buy. You know Toyota is going to take this new grille look on the 4Runner too. All cars and trucks look the same these days 😩 Those seats rock though love the red color!
15 years in a Gen 2. Can confirm. Gen 3 went backwards. Driving one currently. 12-14 Tacoma is the best midsize we've been offered. Drum brakes and all.
These are beautiful trucks!! I like the Trailhunter more because the red is just too flashy.
TH will cost 68-75k
It's crazy how before all these next gen midsize trucks, it was:
1. Tacoma
2. Everything else
Now it's:
1. Tacoma
2. Everything else
Can you get a 6MT with the TRD Pro and the Trailhunter?
So, the pro is now targeted for desert running with the racing seats. And the TH is the new rock crawler. Heard them say it has DC sway bar. And rear lockers. Did not mention any MTS, CC or KDSS options tho. I would take the TH in its current colors and configuration. Very nice looking rig. (if I needed a small 2.4 liter engine truck)
I would like the trailhunter with the seats of the TRD pro.
Too bad they went turbo instead of longevity
Toyota is killing it. I bet arb made the air intake and the air compressor
Maybe I'm alone in this but I'm thinking Toyota has totally missed the mark with the 2024 Tacoma
Agreed. The design of this and also the tundra is ugly imo. Much prefer the current 5th gen Tacoma and old tundra looks-wise. Will be jealous of more powerful motor, but that’s about it.
I agree. I dont love the looks and I’m sad we don’t have a more compact option. These trucks are the same size as gen 1 tundras.
Never thought i'd see the TFL crew in the damn jungle haha, that environment is taxing on the body if you're not a young buck. Humidity, heavy terrain changes, elevation effects, props to these guys for going the distance, literally to Hawaii haha.
Remember when the Tacoma was the simple , affordable, basic, reliable small size truck...Pepridge Farms remembers.
There’s an SR model for that still.
@@astralzombie It will still be grossly over priced for a base model.
@@matthewm3912 maybe, but what isn’t in 2023?
Best truck I ever owned: 2001 Toyota Tacoma 4wd Regular Cab w/ manual transmission. Had 11.4 inches of stock ground clearance and better fuel economy than many of these modern rigs. Much better approach/departure angles, too. Cost $17,000 in 2001. So about $28,000 in today’s dollars.
@@Travis12861 the base models are generally sold as fleet vehicles, they sell a shit ton of them.
One big issue with these "off road" trucks are the plastic front bumpers. Your not going to add a winch with a plastic bumper and the first time you hit something that does not agree with the approach angle (Tommy's demise), you will probably break some plastic. Very nice refresh overall but I believe the aftermarket will need to fill the bumper gap to complete these builds.
Completely agree. I'm sure ARB already has (or will have) a front bumper with recovery points and winch housing.
@@van_mod1 I assume this too. May take some time but hopefully not long. Toy didn't make it easy to do when looking at the front end and how everything lines up.
Wish there was a front locker option. Also disappointing that the Trailhunter won't have a sunroof, I have one in my 2017 and use it all the time.
That was the reason I was looking at the Trailhunter. Ranger still doesn't have a sunroof, so it's out and so is the Trailhunter.
ZR2 has those things I believe.
Most people will probably better off with a TRD Off-Road and adding a lift kit anyway, which should have a sunroof option. The decision not to have sunroof makes sense on the Trailhunter given it’s marketed towards overland, which you expect to mount things to the roof anyway.
Good video! My biggest issue is that it seems not a single channel seemed to report anything about the TRD Pro interior. It’s the ONLY interior that is shown and it’s…well…LOUD. No one bothered to ask the simple question: “Will this model come in more than one interior color scheme?” Flown out to Hawaii, put up in hotels, and it seems like most everyone just desperately tried to get as much video footage as they could, but never asked one of the most glaringly obvious questions? I’ve watched just about every release video from last week, and man…not even a “We asked but they couldn’t answer” answer.
Biggest question is how is the seating position?!?!?! That’s the only thing that has held me back from a taco
Yes! Absolutely zero commentary on this. Perhaps Toyota put a gag order on the reviewing media...
watch the other TFL videos on the new tacoma...Andre has said the new seating position is great, no complaints (they even have one with the lead designer, Sheldon, stating that they specifically designed the seating position to be higher and accommodate taller people).
According to dealers I've talked to regarding ordering a Trailhunter or Tacoma in general with options put on from the factory so you can roll into your monthy payment and get what you want, there's no custom order option for the Tacomas. I've watched and listened to other podcast and videos where Toyota Spoke persons, influencers, interviewers, reviewers say you can but not according to the place you actually purchase them.
Both the pro and trail hunter = mall crawler.
Of these 2 I think I'd rather have the Trailhunter. I think I might like the look of it slightly better and it seems to be more usable for everything but the Desert Running. And if I was going to use the bed I think I like the idea of a longer bed.
Ahhh… continually over complicating trucks, driving the price too high. The nature of the truck market today.
Don’t be jealous. Just as many basic ass trucks get sold every year. Watch something else
@@erikkuhlemeyer9402 not jealous at all. I do not want a complicated truck. It’s a tool for me, not a status symbol. What I do not like is that there is nothing for the average guy who needs a good truck. You have to buy used and the junk they are making today doesn’t last because they are overly complicated.
@@niceguyrides that’s not true. Guessing you have yet to own a “complicated truck”
The 3rd Gen is my favorite style. This one will have to grow on me. I don’t drive my 2016 TRD Off Road much but it’s there when I need it and with only 28K miles it should last me for years to come.
Your seat position sucks
Everyone keeps saying save the manuals, but yet you can't get a manual in any of the off-road trucks! Then they're going to say there's no demand for the manual. Every manufacturer keeps doing this, "I want a manual", "well you can have it, just as long as it's in our slowest and the least versatile of our vehicles". It's also sad to see that the seats from the Pro can't be optioned into the Trailhunter and no sunroof available in it either.
Also, dear God, Roman let Andre finish talking for once. Andre is always in the middle of talking about something more important, then Roman, "Hey, let's talk about this useless feature instead." "Hey, Andre, stop talking. Let's talk about the JBL speaker, (this portion of the video is sponsored by JBL, yeah JBL) How many times do we have to hear about the most useless feature of the vehicle?
Don't get me wrong. I love the content and coverage, I just hate Roman constantly cutting Andre off when he's explaining something more important.
Lord have mercy…. The white and black one are drop dead amazing 🤩. I hope I can afford it when the price drops 🤣.
Bought my 2018 TRD Off Road for 35,000 new in 2017. Those days are over😢 Have a feeling I wouldn't be able to afford the new one. Hope I'm wrong.
youre not wrong these are going to be so expensive especially right away with dealer markups.
You won’t be able to. It’s going to be like 60k plus after dealers mark them up
Then dont pay dealer markup??? Dealers keep charging it because people keep PAYING it. There are dealers that do msrp and if you cant find one. BE PATIENT. Dealers keep charging because people keep PAYING.
@@kylesteinhauser2535 only 60? Shit. Msrp will be 65, and there will be 15k market adjustments 😂
Doesn't it seem strange that the trim that's more for rock crawling/overlanding (which has a LOT of head bobbing action) is NOT the one with the seat gimbel that reduces head bobbing??
I'll buy the Trailhunter!
That TRD Pro looks awesome, with the white and black top.
With the new Tacoma, Toyota appears to have done a lot of things right. Probably one of the most promising things is that Toyota may have finally fixed some of the horrible ergonomics of the previous generations. That said, here are my big three criticisms:
1. ALL Tacoma 4WD models need an "all-wheel-drive" selection in the transfer case. Full-time 4WD for patchy slick highway conditions in winter is very handy.
2. The TRD Pro and Trailhunter need a front locking differential.
3. Ground clearance in the TRD Pro is adequate, but not great.
4. Biggest criticism of all--true of ALL of the new mid-sizes--the price. The TRD Pro and Trailhunter will likely have an MSRP of $60K+, a price that makes the trucks unaffordable to most of the demographic that would be the most likely buyers of the trucks. Sort of like the beautiful fancy cars of the Great Depression era--beautiful and performance-laden for the era, but only about 1% of the population could afford one.
I still think the hybrid option in the upper-tier models is useless.
Yeah a great depression is 100% around the corner buying anything that's not water, food and sand bags would be pretty stupid right meow
1. No, this is a feature for people who can't be bothered to learn to drive and expect their vehicle to do it for them, take a taxi.
2. No, a front locker is nearly useless and is a just for show, bragging rights, kind of option. Locker usage is required mostly when climbing steep hills, and there will be little weight on the front axle, so there will be very little that a front locker can do to help.
3. Agreed.
4. Sales figures do not agree with you. Plenty of people are buying $100,000 trucks. I predict Tacoma will continue to sell well.
@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus I've been driving 4WD vehicles for over 50 years. I know what works and what doesn't. "Full-time" 4WD can be a great tool for numerous driving situations. Necessary? No, but nice to have. A front locker is nice to have for very low traction situations, however, it must be used judiciously because a locked front axle will tend to plow ahead straight in very slick situations, even with the front wheels turned. As to prices, I have friends who are new car dealers. They are seeing serious consumer price resistance at MSRP's over $60K, and, with increasing interest rates, that resistance point may be $50 or less within a few months.
@@rockymountainjazzfan1822 All that time and you still haven't learned to drive. Shame.
I love skid plates, but when you have a lot down there and you're overlanding in a very hot place, for example, like Africa, Australia, or middle east the whole exterior underbody get really hot because the skid plates trap the heat and also store heat
That may be true. But unless someone is shipping one from North America, it would be the Hilux. Or a LC79. Not a Taco. And most people won't be overlanding in Death Valley the middle of summer.
@Eric Schneider Yes, actually, theres a lot of people who overland during the summer in those regions. There's people who are living off the grid, and all they do is overland different parts of the world, and they do that for years.
@@tariqsalim2222 I didn’t say no one did it. But a majority of North American overlanders would be farther north. Or at a higher elevation in the middle of summer. The rest of the world is irrelevant. The Tacoma is only available in North America. The rest of the world gets the Hilux. Which is an entirely different vehicle and chassis. And anyone who does it full time, or is willing to pay to ship it overseas is not going to drive a factory built rig. They will build their own rig.
So cool, great videos as always! Love the new redesign. It sounds like they added more room for us taller people in the front, did they add more room in the back? Our 2018 Tacoma crew cab is so tight both legroom and headroom.
You don't buy a mid size for back seat room🤣
feeling that Hawaii humidity with that heavy breathing huh, andre? lol
Those red seats are hideous! I wonder if they’ll offer them in a different color.
Doubtful
11:11 that exhaust is not legal in Phoenix AZ. Law states something like the exhaust tip has to be easily reachable by the tech to pass emissions test. Aka no dumps
I like the new Tacoma. However, I feel that Toyota should of done more with the Trailhunter to further differentiate from the TRD Pro. Other than the shocks, snorkel, exhaust, interior, bed utility bar as well as a longer bed, the Trailhunter is, to me, very similar to the TRD Pro in terms of options. What Toyota should of done with the Trailhunter, is add an ARB front steel bumper that's winch capable or with a winch already installed, an extra 2-3 inches of lift, front locker, full underbody skid plate, and 35 inch tires. That would truly make the Trailhunter the top of the line Tacoma and differentiate it from the TRD Pro.
Very good suggestion, wish Toyota would've taken this into account
then it would sell for > 100k and everyone would complain about the price :\
We are in the market for a new mid size truck. I've watched a lot of your videos, and a lot talk about the possibilities of spec, adding accessories and all the options you can choose. The reality I've found is that nobody will allow you to spec a car and the spec the dealers order are all the same.
We're in what feels like an odd position in that the difficulties in purchasing what we want is the only thing stopping us buying!
I'd love to see a video about the realities and any tips on purchasing a new vehicle in 2023
In 10 years, there are going to be a lot of cool used trucks that I can afford. 😂
I think I’m more interested in the Trailhunter. I’d really like to see how it handles on Moab trails.
Give it by fall, these will be all over PNW roads
Andre and Roman, which one would you take on Colorado’s trails and to Moab? I’m frequently in both environments and am searching for a new truck.
While these trucks are more powerful, bigger, and better infotainment…. I would pick my 2004 Taco over these
now THATS something i wanna upgrade. turbo, straight pipe, interior lights, lets go
Which one should I get… none, they will definitely be overpriced, not to mention dealership markups. It’s all a bunch of 💩
Dealerships are drooling right now getting ready to slap 25k+ markups
No front locking diff?
No full-time 4WD?
No front recovery hooks?
No winch?
No 35’s?
These had better be aggressively priced if they hope to sell them against the current competition. They are missing a lot of key features.
Doesn't compare to ZR2 as far as ability. Front locker is everything. Id rather have a front standard locker and no rear. A lot of window dressing on the Toyota
Didn't have it on the current truck that is 15 years old and still outsells the colorado. They won't have to do anything special to sell it.
@@zinc466 just because some people settle for less doesn't make it good.
@@robertchapman4488 didn't say that it did. Original comment was saying because of the lack of options it'll need to be aggressively priced which isn't true. The current model is old and missing all the features he listed and still outsells the other new trucks all day long.
They both look and sound nice, but I’d go for the Trailhunter without the bed rack thing.
Tow hooks look very hard to get to, even tougher when stuck.
And it looks like none in the front either :(
@@adamwartman6815 They have them. They are on either side of the front skid plate.
@@gregjoubert5118 Ah, my bad! Didn't notice them! Thanks for pointing that out :)
Yea they are waaaay back there!
Crazy that rear Disc Brakes are a new feature on the tacoma....it is 2023....right?
You’d complain if they didn’t add them, you’re complaining that they barely added them. You alright ?
Roman needs to stop interrupting Andre. 😅
Great review love of fast your guys explain it and how good your guy explain all the Info
I'm waiting for the 4runner with the V8 5.0 engine.
Wait, I must be dreaming...
Nope another 2.4 turbo / hybrid engine.
5.0 is a car engine. You mean 5.7?
Yeah, a V8 for toyota is basically a pipe dream now.
Finally!! a tune won't just be good for a 5 hp/tq bump on the Tacoma!!! I can't WAIT to see some 400whp/500+wtq on these tuned 2.4l!! Fast and Tacoma will go together in a sentence!?!?!
What a steaming pile of garbage. I am so disappointed in Toyota over BOTH of these. I'll stick with my 2012.
I wonder if you will be able to put 35 on without having to modify anything
2 Off Road Trucks without front Recovery hooks
They are next to the front skid plate. They just aren't painted red.
Yeah you can see one in the video but the location is terrible. If you are stuck there is a good chance getting to that tow hook will not be any fun.
The trail Hunter would be 1st choice for versatility in off roading. Some of the features such as a JBL, The moonroof, and the so-call detail logo on the underbody carriage protection plate are features that I don't really care much for as an unecesscity thing that are just an added weight.
It has the defective Turbos. I will never be able to figure out why Toyota would go with Turbos over a bulletproof Supercharger? If Toyota has one design flaw, it's with its Turbos. Just look at the problems they are still having with the Turbos on the Tundra.
Fuel-efficient turbo design...
The Trailhunter skid plate did in fact look interesting!!! It had a logo and the name!
The first thing my kids would do is play with those seat valves.
Marvelous….any news on a factory wench?
Now take me to the base model that has long bed, locking diff and front sway disconnect.
Piano Black fender flares??? 👎
What genius thought of that? It's fine if you are only a Mall Crawler.