Is Max Verstappen the best wet weather driver of ALL-TIME? 🌧 | Sky Sports F1 Podcast
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Karun Chandhok and Bernie Collins look back at a chaotic Sao Paulo Grand Prix, with Max Verstappen claiming a stunning victory from 17th on the grid.
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The luckiest driver was Lando for not getting a penalty for the aborted start blunder. Max getting from 17th to 6th in 12 laps had nothing to do with the red flag. Also, Lando repeatedly asked to pit before the red flag but now alleges max got lucky because max decided not to pit. Three times Lando went off the track that also had nothing to do with luck.
Amazing what you can get away with on track if you have British Privilege
@@djdrastic1 What's with all the xenophobes here?
@@billB101 People just hate you. Deal with it 😊
@@billB101 Perhaps this will get you up-to-speed:
Slow corner, slightly off track: 10 seconds and an unhealthy round of vilification from the British press, that was after all a murder attempt from Max!!!!
Actually puts lives at risk (illegal start) : naughty boy Lando, here's a fine which for those guys is the equivalent of buying ice cream, tsk tsk tsk
On top of what you correctly listed Lando once again lost the lead of the race in the first corner. Post race he said "that happens sometimes"
Sorry Lando, but it seems to happen all the time to you.
Those who stayed out took a CALCULATED RISK. And it payed off bigtime for Gasly, Ocon and Verstappen. Good for them!
Jep, both Alpines and Max stayed out on purpose, thats not 'luck' like Sky (and Norris) say.
@@Crotes1990 You did see the extremes on Yuki was 45s a lap quicker before the red flag right? The problem is extremes means it is too wet to race and a red flag is coming. So waiting for new inters was the correct strategy but 3 or more laps Max Yuki Liam podium lol
Exactly this, luck and fortune. Doesn’t make him the greatest driver if there’s this much luck involved
I agree and have said the same before. The risk was calculated, which isn't luck but intelligence.
So when max can change tires it's kind of unfair, yet when hamilton could fix his car in silverstone '21 from a crash he created sky sport where silent? Can you spot the hypocrisy?
Or think of rainly Monza 2021 when Lewis went off, damaged his car when doing so, and then was lucky that the Bottas/Russel crash happened that caused a red flag, when they could repair his car under the red flag. There wasn't much discussion then (by the British media) whether it was ok, not only to change tires, but to repair a car under a red flag. That red flag caused Lewis to get out in a repaird car and finish second (I believe) and thus, gaining a huge advantage of said red flag situation.
@@the_fleeing_dutchman imola
Exactly
The Brittania Rules are different. If you’re British you can change tire pressures of tires affixed to car and not get a DQ just a fine. Does that mean that’s all you need to do is pay a few bob and it’s ok.
That is a black flag for Verstappen.
Russell gets to optimize his car and get a mega start to take the lead.
Sky sports really lost credibility this weekend.
I'm sorry, Bernie, but it wasn't just Max who said the race should be red-flagged. Many other drivers, including Russell, who was on fresh tyres, also said so.
@@Strategaist bias?
She lying 🤥, I looked into it listened the radio everybody is complaining on it . She is just stirring the pot 😂, I lost every respect for her . Instead of this get yourself in the gym 😂with crofty😂
I have a feeling she really doesn’t like Max. It wasn’t easy for her to praise him
Lewis benefitted twice in 2021 from a Red Flag. Why didn't the British press complain then? 😅
Aidan Millward mentioned that on his channel
Imola was the most hilarious, 40 seconds in the gravel trap trying to find reverse, Red Flag gets him back to P2.
Lets call for another verstappen Rule . we know the stewards and FIA will follow up what sky is saying
@@ReggaeWise well Herbert was part of this team
@@mitchdaytonam3 It's called, LUCK.
Lando is the best....at converting a pole position to a midfield position before the first corner
THE BEST PART OF THE WEEKEND WAS MAX TAKES THE LEAD INTO TURN 1 AND LANDO GOES OFF IN THE BACKROUND
The shot of the race yes
It was savory, sweet all together. Nothing could've made me happier at that time.
Sky still can't give full credit. Hopefully once he won another championship sky commentary can all go to a corner and cry with Damon
Crashtappen will never have credit sorry.
What hill said last week was correct. Verstappens driving at Mexico was a joke. His driving on Sunday was amazing but doesn’t rule out the stupid moves he pulled the race before
@@lewis9388*British fans think it was a joke
There fixed it for you
@@MagicAyrtonforever nice bait clown 🤡
Cmon I think the British sky bias is massive but they give him full credit in this podcast be honest
Chancing tyres under Red Flag is not more unfair than changing tyres under VSC/SC - all of them gives or takes advantage for drivers. That’s also an essential thrilling element of a race.
Hold on lady! Many drivers were asking for a red flag if anything Max was one of the least complaining about it. Check the rookies like Oscar and Oliver 🤦🏻♂️
Rookie george has begging for it
Drivers, not riders. You don’t ride an f1 car
@@oldschool8330 edit made
She also said she did not know the track conditions. And that is a lie and therefore here argument is false.
I can understand the correlation between Max’s post race comment on the British media and the absence of Crofty and Brundle here 😂
@@hy77faqq Max driving off into the sunset with his middlefinger up 😂
@hy77faqq the mouthy British getting what they deserve. Having to watch a masterclass while their greatest hope bottles it once again
@@hy77faqqor his brutal honesty offended you make you cry like you do and like the British Media and some certains driver DTS crying fangirls for nearly three years and counting since AD21 🤣🤣🤣🤣🍼
@@hy77faqq Luckily he has plenty of trophies to collect tears, though I suspect it will be the tears of his critics. He's getting another one for his fourth championship soon too!
@@hy77faqq Your boy got EXPOSED!
If you listen to Max his full team radio of the race you can clearly hear him say to GP: if it's only 4 minutes of rain I'm staying out. That is confidence. Max can't help it that Calopinto crashes and it turned into a red flag. It's the call from Max to stay out that is deciding. Good on him to believe in himself and his team.
So you are just ignoring George, Oscar, and Ollie all calling for a red flag as well as Max if not before him
Max never called for a red flag, he said it was extreme conditions are GP said a red flag should come soon because it was worse than qualifying
Stop lying
And no offence to him but ollie has no say in this, he is a rookie and couldn't even handle light rain much less the heavy rain so of course he wanted it red flagged
George called for a red flag on lap 29 and literally said there was a pool in turn 13 and someone would go off ans crash. Guess in which corner did Colapinto spin off?
@@Alucard-gt1zf Max did call for a red flag, read his radio transcript.
@@Alucard-gt1zflisten to maxs onboard...
Sc deployed, max do you want wets.
No if its wet enough for wets itll get red flagged, ill stay out.
Max called it 2 ish laps before it happened.
Before calling soneone a liar, its best to have the info at hand
@karl8805 yes max said it would get red flagged, he never "called for it to be red flag" that's two very different things
Oh man! Hill was so excited about Max's driving last week I wanted to hear his thoughts on this one! In which cave can I go find him?
Posting on Insta some quite complimentary comments about Max, to be fair.
@@BJWT1047 Because if he doesn't, he'd look worse than he already does, he was totally shedding tears while writing that. Have you seen his Horner interview? He looked like he had just left a funeral
@@Salafessien It's an underwater cave, you won't find him till next week, he cried a river 😇
I mean we've known Hill is a clown for quite some time
Damon Hill says it has it is. Some people can’t deal with the facts.
The stewart's where ones again very much on the hand off Lando.
Lando goes of teack turn four with a possible unsafe rejoin. Nothing happens
Leclerc does the same. And it gets noted.
Lando goes of at turn one lost 4 positions at the end of turn one. Rips full throttle cutting the second turn completely winning 3 positions back, and with a second possible unsafe rejoin and doesn't even gets noted
How is this possible
I saw that too! None of the channels noticed, not even the Dutch ones
How about we add an illegal extra formation lap while the safety of a driver and track marshals are at stake?
Slap on the wrist and a 5000 euro fine.
That is basically a biased middle finger to Max and others in F1.
I repeat: he went driving while he was not allowed to while we know after the unfortunate death of Bianchi this should *NOT* be allowed and the rules are there in place to prevent that from happening again.
*Lando Norris completely ignored that and started driving under these conditions putting lives at risk*
Slow corner, slightly off track: 10 seconds and an unhealthy round of vilification from the British press, that was after all a murder attempt from Max!!!!
Actually puts lives at risk : naughty boy Lando, here's a fine which for those guys is the equivalent of buying ice cream, tsk tsk tsk
If that was Max we would have seen immediate actions against him. Like penalty points, 100000 euros fine and starting from the pitlane that very same race (which would have been fair tbh)
@@reddwarf666 He stopped weaving and putting heat in his soon to be replaced tires, when the team said: *RECOVERY VEHICLE*
Russel saw it, in front of him and was smart enough to understand without the team.
Then Lando still would try to put heat into the old set of tires back to the grid. As if he had no idea that there would be a 10 minutes wait after a aborted start.
@RogerKeulen even Ocon and Max who was right at the back knew
Yes, I noticed those immediately as well. Rejoining in an unsafe manner at one instance and leaving the track and gaining an advantage on the other when he cut the corner and rejoined further than he should have been. Not noted, nor any investigation..
Glad Max won the way he did, so that he extended his lead. His drive in Brazil showed who would be the deserving Champion of 2024, because Max drove like a Champion and made most other drivers (apart from Esteban, Pierre and George) look like mediocre drivers (which they are not) but his drive was just a master class in the rain!
Also Karun - Max has outscored Lando since Miami, so he'd still be winning the title without those first 5 races
Also,McLaren n Ferrari both hunt in pairs,yet Max is doing it alone.
Podcast sounds like a lot excuses to cover up the bias. Doesn’t help though.
Sky have been embarrased by Verstappens race and comments, their biase became blatant. Where were they on that press conference after the race? They never explained.
Just listened to the first few minutes and the main topic seems to be, is everyone feeling good. I am gone, just too much talking empty heads.
Because Max, Daddy & Whinger Spice are all weapons grade twats maybe?
Oh now they're Bias.. I bet you were not saying that in 2021.. you're just as hypocrites as they are..!
Slave to the moment... Max's next race'll be a disaster, he'll sulk and people will be wondering why Sky are attending the press conference.😂
Verstappen never had a give an eff generator installed. He will call it as he sees it and dare you to ask him.
Bernie criticizing those who stayed out on inters saying it’s a risk without mentioning that most of those who pitted before the red flag also took new inters and not full wets
@@pato10111 have you been paying attention? Probably not. Bernie is o woman, not a man
@@eliseakerboom define a woman? 😂
George was also complaining about the conditions after his stop. There was like 3-5 inches of water on parts of the track, and it's insane that they don't call her on that
@@HdRoadglideSpecialMatBlack lul
Then tell your mates Lando, George and Oli who pitted for inters instead of wet tires as you’re saying and were the ones who started complaining
These comparisons with drives from the past are a little bit daft. In the day there used to be diferences of 15 seconds between first 15 in qualify, today it´s just 1 second between the firs 15.
This makes Max´s performance just só more impressive.
And in the 90s they had traction control and even active suspension at one point.
this. Just go back to races in the 80ies. There were like 3-4 professional teams and then a bunch of teams that were seconds off, DNFed more than half the races or didnt even qualify for the race.
And still not mention the red flag max got in quali?
fines for bad start and changing pressure are a joke- should of been time penalties. look at who the stewards were
I think it was investigated and fines given because the rules were a little ambiguous, it’ll now be cleared up fully
@@TheAngmarwitch maybe a small argument for the start but several drivers knew enough to not start. Also not an argument for the tire pressure change
"Simply Lovely" at the end is the boot into Lando 😂
Max is a Living Legend! ... Goat of all goats!
A "This is Sparta" moment!!
2016-->Max goes from P16 to P3 at Interlagos in wet conditions.
2024--> Max goes from P17 to P1 at Interlagos in wet conditions.
Masterclass drive then and today. The 4th WDC is his.
WEEK AGO: Jos Verstappen 🇳🇱: "Is there a conflict of interest?" ... Verstappen Sr went on to add that "there were a few stewards present who don't like him anyway". ... The stewards panel in Mexico City comprised former F1 driver Johnny Herbert 🇬🇧; experienced motorsports executive and official Tim Mayer, who is also the son of former McLaren team principal Teddy; lawyer Loïc Bacquelaine, and experienced Mexican official Alfonso Oros Trigueros ... Verstappen Sr. 🇳🇱 added: "The FIA should take a good look at the composition of the stewards, who they put there and whether there is any appearance of a conflict of interest. For example, former drivers who have more sympathy for certain drivers or riders".
OK let's see about the British 🇬🇧 media's history in this sport just in the last 3 decades portraying "bad guys":
Schumacher 🇩🇪
Alonso 🇪🇸
Raikkonen 🇫🇮
Massa 🇧🇷
Rosberg 🇩🇪
Vettel 🇩🇪
Senna 🇧🇷
Verstappen 🇳🇱
Anytime when some other nationality driver challenges British drivers then they are "bad", "dirty", "cunning", "misusing the rules", "cheater", "dangerous" etc.
As of the 2024 São Paulo Grand Prix, a total of 1,122 F1 World Championship races have been held in 34 countries. And Max belongs to the 5 out of all 1122 GP F1 Races = 0,4% ... on top of all that Max achieved 17 fastest laps under severe conditions, more than 1 second faster than the second fastest ... and Max not making any mistakes is "not having racing skills" ?
Lando is really lucky for not getting a penalty
he completely skipped Turn 2 on final restart... it wasn't even investigated. Shambles the FIA are.
No Sky reporters at the press conference.
You could have asked MAX himself
No Dutch reporters either.
@@billB101 wow good one 😐
@@billB101 And you know why???
@@billB101 the number of reporters does make the odds quite different.
@@steveneiffel8227 You get the irony though, right?
Where is Damon Hill? No respect left for him…
He is still trying to get his arm out of the eminent Mr JP Herbert's behind, and vice versa.👴🤷♂
He's an old guy. and probably doesn't understand how all these new things like video conferencing work...
Australia 95, one driver lapped field twice to win?
Why not, just because he isn't here. He does have a life you know outside of F1
For calling out dirty driving and now praising a good drive like a normal human being? Quite stupid logic you got going😂
Such Biased channel…. Pointing just Alonso and Leclerc went off track but not Lewis and Lando 13:00 🙄 and then indirectly pointing Max’s masterclass to red flag and not having the guts to call out Lando for going off track twice to concede positions
Next season Piastri drives circles around Norris.
The most epic race in decades and these Lando /Lewis fans talk about the tire regulations under a red flag.. The red flag caused Max to qualify 17th.. And still he won the race... Whatever.. 🙄🙄🙄
Recency bias..
They forget silverstone and imola 21 when ham literally repaired his car and won one race and unlapped himself at imola thanks to red flag...
I hope they do change that rule and it costs Norris the 2025 championship. Each time a rule benefits the non-British opposition, it needs to be changed.
The entire changing tyre under red discussion is just because it favoured Max this week. It is the same principle as changing tyres under a VSC or SC, that gives you an advantage too. But suddenly it is unfair and a problem. At least this red flag was pretty predictable, most drivers were mentioning the terrible conditions and even calling for a red flag. Staying out was a calculated risk. Usually, it is more luck. For example, the SC in Miami that helped Lando win was less predictable, and according to the reasoning here even more unfair. And yet, usually it is just accepted as part of racing.
Yeah, sky didnt cry at imola 21
Also Bernie needs to check her footage again. Biggest complainers of conditions were collapinto (after already pitting for new inters), Piastri who had/would gain nothing, Russel who already pitted, Alonso who would also gain nothing, and Bearman who was practically at the back already.
Meanwhile Max: "Let's try another lap"
Williams forced Franco to be put into inters even if he asked for wets. This error have cost the team a LOT of money.
You are correct
@@evonne_othe wets were NOT THE RIGHT TYRES cos that would mean another pitstop incoming…just as VCARB did. Williams did make the RIGHT DECISION. But Colapinto had to drive more carefully and keep it on track. That was on Colapinto binning the car, not the team. He showed this weekend that he isn’t ready for F1 really….
@@RedlingsteinYou must've missed the part where Perez gained 12 seconds on Verstappen in one lap. Would be plenty of time to make up a stop if they were racing instead of SC/red flag.
where is Hill?🤣
In a funeral, with Lando and Zak McBurger.
He is still trying to get his arm out of the eminent Mr JP Herbert's behind, and vice versa.👴🤷♂
Praising max for his great drive on instagram, just like he rightfully criticized his dirty driving last week, where were you then? I assume by your salty comment you were one of the ppl applauding his dirty driving.🤣
SkySportsF1: Hill has retired.
Max: Karma.
@@Voldnarok who is Hill ?
Is he the best wet weather driver of all time....I dunno.
What I do know is:
You could have asked Max in the driver's press conference after the Brazil race, but you didnt even show up because you are all VERY biased reporters who have no shame in showing it on camera.
Ayrton Senna : remember him staying out on slicks in the wet !!
max killed sky sports that day :)))))))
simply lovely
Max vs sky, CHECKMATE 🇳🇱🧡
No penalty for the 3 Leaving start line No penalty for changing tyre pressure. I bet if was Max and Redbull there be 10 sec penalty. No British in press conference it's just wrong the Sky sports team are only interested in Lewis and Lando
it's usually a DQ for that type of rule infringement. That extra lap after the start is aborted is equal to leaving the pit lane while the red light is on.
I reckon it was ignoring the race director's instructions which is definitely a penalty and can be dsq
karun said during the race, max has more godtier talent in his fingers then other drivers in their body. also funny to hear crofty directly say something trough it, it was around lap 67 / 68 if i am not mistaken.
Haha that was so funny!
Crofty: "Max is brilliant and i don't want to dwell on it but sometimes he does thing you don't like"
* Continues dwelling for minutes on the things he doesn't like about Max.
He was soooo mad🤣🤣🤣
yes that was so blatant again
also funny was his enthousiasm when perez spun and croft thought it was max 😂
@@kupuh Wasn't he going on and on about some detailed point from the Mexico race!? At the end of an epic Brazil Grand Prix 😂😂 what a total buffoon.
clowns, the question about changing tyres under red flag is for very very long time and it would NOT have been brought up if it was Lando or Lewis or George or w/e brit driver benefited it now, but because it was Max - heey, "is this a problem? What's their point? Can we get rid of that rule? hmmmmmmmm....." British media will be always a british media.
Yeah, such as getting rid of the fastest lap the moment it didn't benefit McLaren..
Yes, clowns! The bias is strong in these ones!
What about silverstone '21 where Lewis fixed his car from a crash he created? Nothing from sky sports then.
Lol, you clowns, the media is mostly covering whoever is winning, that's how money is made.
Thought i will give them a chance,but no just bias ,😢
Max didn‘t only practiced in the rain when he was Young in his cart, in the Netherlands we don‘t have rain tires for carts…
Reminds me of Monaco 2023 where Max stayed out and did not pit when the heavy rain came. It was so slippery but he stayed out for 10 laps without crashing into the barriers
Oscar was calling for a red flag too. Wow, everytime sky is rewriting facts when Max is the taking point. Red flag has never been a issue but now the spoiled brad Lando lost it is a problem.
Max was also calling for a red flag if you look at his radio transcript.
@@billB101 True, why because he was in front and want to influence the stewards that is what drivers do. Other drivers did it because it was dangerous to drive
@@johanfeenstra8778 He said it was too dangerous to drive.
Master class, generational.. No... LEGENDARY.. Period. As time goes on, this will go down as the greatest drive in F1 history..It is now the benchmark of which all drivers will be held against..
Just knew they’d try and find some way to sour Max’s performance.
Blame the game Bernie, not the players.
Can anyone point me to a single BRITISH commentator who said that it was UNFAIR that HAMILTON benefitted from red flags in 2021? Even one?
Red flag… Imola 21, was it a problem or worthy a discussion back then?
For those who do not remember, lh44 screwed up his car back the and was able to take full advantage of the situation.
Damon "bitter old man" Hill hiding under a rock??
Hill called Max a brilliant diver to Horner after the race.
@billB101 To late was the cry..
Hill-arous
Damon got bullied by schumacher.still not over it.
The number 1 thing this weekend showed was F1 needs to look in to finding another broadcaster for its main english language programming. Sky have been embarrassingly biased for a while but theyve lost the plot completely now. Its a disgrace to call anything they do or say journalism. Its starting to really turn me off watching F1
F1 live is ten times better than these frustrated Sky Clowns. Only Harry Benjamin is really good but (that's why) they don't allow him on very often
@@jeanpaulceulemans9973 I think you and I should not watch F1 via ESPN, lets cancel ESPN on watch F1 Live from now on. Paying for ESPN to copy/paste SkySports feels like a class action lawsuit of some sort.
Yes 100% in Australia I’m stuck with this rubbish biased coverage
Sky should sack their entire commentary team….biased rubbish…
And terrible level , especialy crofty what a asshole 😅😅 ted is also biased af , but sometimes comes with completely differend opinions , and can be funky, Martin the same pretty much , Martin atleast can sometimes langs about max , but boring crofty allways wines neder aknowlidges and is also not a voor dure in general !
agree
It's scandalous. I don't even waste my time dwelling on it now. Almost as bad as some deluded fans 😭😂
British press like British drivers. Next up, water is wet.
Agreed, watching this is like watching a comedy😂
Of course championship has been lost in the period from Miami. The difference was only 52 points with 19 races to go. In most of those races Lando clearly had the quicker car.
They need to cover it up mate
The McLaren was the quickest car in Brazil.
They should have won
How on earth with having the best car from Miami onwards the gap increased!
Why isn’t that a topic in the episode?!
What's funny is that after Monza, the difference was 62 points. Norris then brought that down to 44 points in 5 races, only for Verstappen to completely nullify it back to 62 points in 1 race. It's literally the same points difference as 5 races ago. :p
@@MSFP87simple that Fastest car is drive by the wrong driver imagine if it was Max or Lewis the one drive that car and Lando drive that RB20 this season will be the other way around LOL
It was an incredible drive. Max was finding grip where nobody else was. My question to sky sports is why didn’t the broadcast cover it? After about the 12th fastest lap, a competent broadcast would at some point throw it to one of the commentators and follow a lap with Max. Where was he finding speed? Too busy covering Lando begging Piastri to let him by. During the sudden McLaren emergence, we found out that a leader with a big gap to second can be covered.
He was using the curbs to exit the corners with much more speed, where the others avoided touching any curbs.
He also had a new ICE nobody like to bring up.
@@Snaakie83 Not really, but also yes... Check Peter Windsor, can explain Maxs style in detail.. But he turns before he turns and turns... and also after :) As such.. Hes not putting turning, accelerating pressure etc on the tires while hes on the curbs or white lines... Eyes closed head first, cant loose!! 🤠
@@greyshepherd3456A new engine doesn't help anything whatsoever when the track is that wet but please keep on coping, it's truly entertaining
@jeanpaulceulemans9973 Having more power will ALWAYS help.
And.. cope for what? A f1 championship that I have nothing to do with?
I think Eddie Jordan on FFS podcast gave the best summary of the race, and comparison of Max’s and Lando’s performances
If there wasnt a red flag, it would have been really embarassing if max would win.
Now landos got a nice excuse.
Unbelievable that Bernie only mentions Max when she says that drivers are waiting for a red flag to get a free pitstop. But that is what every driver would want. And all drivers complain about the conditions to get a red flag or a safety car, like Lando did(in one of the races. His engineer said “Lando , there is a lot of debris on the track”. Lando said: “yes, somebody is going to have an accident “. That is also to influence the race director. Every driver does this. And what about Miami where Lando had luck because the safety car missed him…he literally won because of that.
In this race George was literally shouting that he wanted to stay out because it would be a red flag. When the red flag came he was angry and shouted “I told you, we should have stayed out”. He even said the same during the press conference. This is the most obvious example of the race to mention, yet she talks about Max, who stayed out because his tyres were still good.
And why she is saying “he would have won without the red flag, he didn’t need that”… as if Max has control over the other drivers crashing and bringing out the red flag.
Jeez, even when Max has a faultless race, sky sports can find something to make him look bad🙄…
They should change their name to “British Sports “ because obviously Britain is the limit for them…not the Sky
Yep, yep, I agree. No changing tires under a red flag. Nor under a Safety Car. Nor under a VSC. Nor if there are yellow flags. Gotta keep it fair at all times.
(Sarcasm)
yawn
Max is the rainmaster ... no debate
Sky talking about a red flag possibly tainted his performance is hilarious ..the red flag caused his 17th spot on the grid , funny how nobdoy talks about all the things that were against him ...
Their reporting on Verstappen is always hilariously pathetic
THE GOAT OF GOATS
Max Verstappen
LOL. What a fantasy, you must have been born post 90s.
@zt2max Swing and miss REEETARD. Attended my first F1 race in 88 so I've seen all the modern greats.
I have watched F1 since 1978 and I agree
Back then half the field were Latifi's and Mazepins while now 80% of the drivers are really good
@@zt2maxMax I'd the GOAT
Change my mind
Max was saying on the radio, if it is just a few minutes, we stay out. Norris in the meantime was almost begging for a stop..lucky she said...
No Max is not the best wet driver of all time, he is quite possibly the best F1 driver of all time. I saw his potential from his very first F1 race and regardless of the negative hype, reporters and social media comments continues to grow in depth and ability, San Paulo was possibly his most mature drive to date. ❤
I am a Max fan but Hamilton is still the GOAT
How? Wdc numbers mean nothing, just look at senna and clark....max has a better start to win ratio..better pole cinversion rate..won from more places on the grid..max literally has every relevant record in F1..and the guys only had a top car for 4 seasons@@freddiefreihofer7716
Piastri was also advocating how bad conditions were while being on the inters as well, so I think that balances out max and ocon also calling for it haha
It's such a non discussion on the red flag tyres change: 1) the safety element, 2) sometimes you're lucky when the SC comes out and have an advantage, 3) doing weird rules is just artificial...sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
It's a projection subject to keep talking yes. Next time Lewis or Lando needs a change and cannot just because of a fake discussion
Rumor has it, it took Skysports 5 takes to make this believable. Couple of others couldn’t cut it.
he is just very good at driving smart, folks. look at Brazil, there is one turn where all the other mopes take an inside line, while Max is thinking over the outside. in normal conditions the inside line is the way to go, but in wet weather, Max understands the physics of traction and going around the outside while everyone else is parked up on the inside was just plain out-thinking the field (yeah outside requires more pace and is slower, but not when all other drivers are in a traffic jam on the inside, and Max has the outside WIDE OPEN). he prepares hard for these races, from all aspects, including strategy, the rules, and thinking outside of the box. other drivers rely to heavily on gimmicks and legal cheats.
😂😂 I hate British media how think such a narrow minded like when max kisses his partner,sky news anchor was saying “max gives kiss for his gf,but not for hornet “ I’m fed up….for every 10 secs noris noris noris….😂😂but fun when max mocked British media
So don't watch, no one of forcing you. Watch your own media's feed instead.
British media are the worst in the world
@@billB101 I don't think you realize that most of the world can watch F1 only via SkyTV and F1 TV. They usually make more money this way than making a contract with foreign televisions for the streaming rights...
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@@adriancojocaru5846 Oh I realise alright, that's why it makes it such a target for trolls. Any tiny mention of a British driver and they think it's automatically British bias, even though it's a British feed. Thing is though you can always subscribe to F1TV and watch the non Sky feed. No one is forcing anyone to watch the Sky commentary, but if you do then you have to accept that it's a British feed, because that's what it is. I honesty wish it wasn't international, it'd shut the trolls up for sure.
What I find most hilarious about it is that "we", of course I only speak for myself as an enthusiast who is immersed in "his" sport..., all know that if you were to change "MV, Ocon and Gasly" to "Norris, Ocon and Gasly" it would not only have been smart and logical, based on the past and simply the rules, it would also most likely have been the "Strategic Move of the Decade" in England...
Is Damon Hill still at the airport? 😏
Also a SERIOUS look has to be taken at having stewards of a certain country background during the season to minimize any potential chance of bias.
In other sports like boxing as an example you can’t have all the judges having the same country background as the fighter. I do agree there is more nuance to this considering the many different nationalities of the F1 drivers. However having British stewards making the calls when a British driver is in contention of a title is one potential misjudgment away from a bias controversy.
😂😂
One of the stewards in Mexico was the son of one of the founders of McLaren...
The Stewards aren’t all British. They come from a range of countries. So you’re saying no Australian/ British/ Dutch/ German/ Finnish/ Chinese/ Canadian/ New Zealander/ French/ Monegasque/ Spanish/ Argentinian/ stewards or Race Directors incase they show favoritism to drivers of the same nationality? 😂😂😂
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That’s actually not my point . But what I do say, is that during a season where a title competition is getting heated, stewards needs to be in place of ‘a ‘neutral’ background to avoid any bias controversy.
I don’t think we need to change the rules for a red flag. George knew it was a possibility of a red flag. We wouldn’t see teams like Alpine getting two podiums. Sport isn’t always fair and it’s entertaining for fans.
They'll keep neutering the sport to get more Brits on the podium .
You Brits might want to delete the word OBJECTIVITY from your dictionary...
Were you guys at the after press conference or was Max right? If you want to downplay even this fantastic drive of Max, please listen to Peter Windsor podcast
Changing tyres under yellow is also not always fair. Therr is no discussion about that. But overall the luck balances out. Sometimes a driver is lucky, sometimes not.
In 2021 there were a couple of instances that Hamilton had an advantage in his battle with Max. That helped him getting a much better result that weekend and in the end have that close battle in Abu Dhabi. Example Imola 2021. If not for the red vlag Hamilton wouldn’t be able to fix his wing, change the damaged tires and end the race in second place. Strange that I did not see this red vlag discussion from Sky Sports that year….
And looking at the fact that a driver is asking for a red flag. Thats part of the sport. Just like it is in soccer. It is part of the tactic to stay out as long as possible and wait for a crash to happen at that moment. The race director should not listen to the drivers and follow their own process.
If the argument of tire change during red flag is a problem ,imagine the outcome of races and even championship in the past.
They will never give max credit without taking away some credibility..
Even ones that pitted didn’t go to wet tyres. Reason wasn’t because they hoped it would become red flagged aswell, it was because the heavy rain was too short.
The problem with the full wets is that if they use them the spray is going to cause visibility to be so bad that you to go to red flag anyway so it’s a catch 22 !
Changing tires under red flag is part of the course, you risk driving on worn tyres but it's part of the game.
Yes. Next question.
Leclerc after changing to a new set of tires also wanted a red flag, so did Alonso. Even George was expecting a red-flag.
And how is it fair for Lando to pit under VSC while Max had been looking after his tires and would have possibly under cut George/Lando. (They would have had cold tires while Max would have been able to race away). These people are just a bunch of hypocrites
Bernie should check more radio messages
This is the only Brits who says that was Max Masterclass driving and from all the drivers I didn’t hear anyone praising Max exemplary driving in this race. Another impressive thing Max did is the 17 consecutive fastest laps, for me this is unprecedented, never happened before by any driver.
So sorry Bernie, you've become biased Bernie. The british drivers complained as well, not just Ocon and Verstappen. Bearman said: “Come on, talk to the the FIA, this is really dangerous,” he added. “I’m trying not to die.” Russel said: "I think this is almost red flag conditions now, mate. So much rain." Norris: "It’s just aquaplaning, though. It’s too dangerous.".
FIA has to say they have to use Full wets, FIA says you may Not overtake, ect.
Hammie always complayned it was his corner, Prost did the same, now Max is defending a corner and the rules should change.
Lets Go back to old school Racing with gravel outside the track, all drivers Will brake in time to stay on the Track, no discusions!
Exactly. Just put gravel directly next to the track in corners and that problem will be solved. Now they all refuse to back out because they know there’s plenty of tarmac and they can then complain to the stewards they’re being pushed off the track. If there would be gravel, this wouldn’t happen.
We can listen to the board radio's. Multiple drivers were saying they were red flag conditions. But I guess we shouldn't be surprised that an ex McLaren, Sky pundit is trying to frame it as if Max was begging for a red flag....🤷♂️
Sky f1 giving Max his flowers? Am I still in a sorta fever dream?
Your in the multiverse
they're just covering their bums after all their sh*tshow and blowback they getting for it
Bernie doesn't see the dangers. She prefers another victim like Dilano it seems like. Those full wets aren't good, they throw up so much water in the air the spray will be so bad you won't see anything anylonger and that is a known problem of the full wets. You do not hear her about Bearman. I DO NOT WANT TO DIE!!!! Why does she mention only Max and Ocon? With the full weight pushed to Max. Nearly all drivers were saying it should be red flagged or that the view was terrible.
Somehow the red flag tire change’ thing never is an issue when a Brit is winning. Take this years Miami GP. Nobody complained about it.
I think that perfromance was up there with Schumacher's win in Barcelona in 1996. Two rain masters.
I like Karun and Bernie. But I would have paid for Hill, Kravitz and Croft. But that's a conspiracy theory I suppose.
Even after his masterclass, Sky is still going after Max. How biased can you be....so sad.
"Is Max Verstappen the best wet weather driver of ALL-TIME?" You can definitely make a case for it. When it mattered most, Max came through in brilliant fashion to win the race in horrendeous conditions.
While handing out acolades for wet driving, lets not forget Esteban Ocon and Pierre Gasly. Alpine's driver didn't put a foot wrong either throughout that deluge during the race. In the Cool Down Room after the race, Max said to Ocon he couldn't catch him when Ocon had the lead. It took a safety car to offer the opportunity for Max to get by Ocon. Max put on a master class of wet driving, but other drivers were with him until the track started to dry.
Ocon driving on front had no difficulty with spray. That's a big advantage in these conditions. When Max pulled away after taking the lead, the distance soon became that big you can't say that was much of an advantage for Max.
@@Ernesto-pk5tp They saying for F1 this year is, clean air is king. And it's especially so in the wet.
The rule is for safety, there can be a situation on track like heavy rain for new tyres.
Sky Sports trying their hardest to let Karun attempt to reverse their now non-existent credibility.
Karun, Brundle and Bernie are the only personalities holding up this joke of a broadcaster right now.
the only sky pundit who's not a joke is Harry Benjamin
It is very unfair that whenever Max take advantage of the rules by staying within the boundaries of the rules, people start to come up with ideas to completely ban those. U should offer those changes before smo take advantage of it. Otherwise it sounds very biased, favoring one side.
Senna at Donington Park. Max is right up there.
Also, I think Senna was running a Ford DFV.
Senna never thought that win was special, since he was in 1 of 8 cars that had TC at the time. For example Benetton got their TC in Monaco 3 races later.
Also his McLaren and the Williams (obviously) were the most advanced cars on the grid in terms of driver aids so it was really Senna vs both Williams since Michael Andretti was not good.
Ayrton always said his Estoril win in 1985 was the one win that was special, since everyone had the same tools.
@@joshimura1995 can you point out where he said it wasnt? Just because one in particular was more special doesnt mean its the only one. Max´s drive was great even thought he had the best car in the rain too, still took him a lot of effort.
@@VjRj84 You "feel like" he had the best car? Why? RB hasn't been fastest for 14 races. FP times favor Mcl.
@@villiamvankekem3693 he definitely did. You talk like red bull was a sauber. Its a good car overall thats getting beat by mclaren on the dry now but started the season much stronger than anyone else, its still good and was indeed the best in interlagos. I expect that to be the case in the dry on at least one of the last few races.
I honestly believe people are overlooking one rather glaring fact on Verstappen (and Ocon for that matter) not pitting. Everyone that hadn't pit before the VSC in lap 28 , got round to the pit entry under VSC conditions, however by the time Verstappen and Ocon got round to there, the VSC had already been lifted, in fact it was lifted just as George and Lando entered the pitlane. So it could well have been unfavorable for them to stop at that time anyhow.
Having said that, I don't think they would have stopped even if the VSC had still been out, as Verstappen already asked GP how long the heavy rain was expected to last, and said he would sit it out on his old intermediates, and Gasly had already been the only driver not to stop under VSC, so I doubt Ocon would have.
And to claim staying out on those tires was reckless, is ignoring the fact that most of the field opted to go for new intermediates instead of full wets themselves, at a time the full wet was the obvious better choice. After all Perez was 12 seconds faster than Verstappen on lap 30 before the safetycar was deployed in lap 31. So it could be said going out on new intermediates was just as reckless.
Also the allegation that those who stayed out, and especially Verstappen, were pushing for the race to be red flagged, is low in my opinion, having listened back to most team radios from lap 28 until the red flag, Verstappen definitely wasn't any more vocal about it than others. In fact, it probably was Piastri, on his new Intermediates, who was most vocal about it being too dangerous.
I used to watch f1 ons sky from the Netherlands because I liked how they present. But after what happened 2 weeks long wont be watching f1 on Sky any more
Dont forget Oscar gave points to Norris.
Verstappen earned his points alone.
I don't know why you are so down on Colapinto when that was his first really wet race in F1 when Stroll who has 166 race experience didn't even make the starting grid and thought he could drive through a gravel trap with a road a few feet away.
Max gets to change tyres and it’s not fair - Lewis crashed at imola and was an entire lap down, got to get his lap back and get good points (through a great recovery drive) but sky sports don’t say sh*t!! It’s cos of that race alone it even went down to Abu Dhabi that year also.
The hypocrisy and bias against max is beyond belief some times…
Lando’s ridiculous comments also don’t help, other drivers all saying wow that was crazy from max - the hulk saying only max could do it etc.
Don’t have to like a driver to see their greatness. Senna / Michael / Lewis all put noses out of joint in their time and drove “dirty”
I hope max gets the same level of respect when he hangs them up because he’s our generations superstar.
Charles leclerc also asked for a red flag multiple times like many others such as George,Oscar,Ollie and more asked why they choose to ignore and turn on Max i do not know
I love Bernie, but on this she sounds naive about drivers complaining...they do that every race if they think it helps them. Come on lol
If the should change the rules for red flag changing tires ,they should also change the rules of red flag in qualification
Bernie’s explanation why she is no longer hired by one of the F1 team.