How to Increase Room Value (with bonus exploit) - Dwarf Fortress Tips
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- Big thanks to TBTerra on reddit for investigating these numbers, link below!
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Note that if space isn't an issue you can ensure the right walls are engraved by putting two layers of walls around each room.
I might start doing that for both aesthetic and for the correct engraving
this is much less fiddly than trying to direct the idiots to a specific tiles
Yeah, that's what I do
"we are going to pop down here into our little bullshit corner" - worth the watch just for that 10/10
honesty value in status screen is higher this way
That made my day :')
I always build 3 bedrooms with one door as dwarfs can travel diagonally.
Now with new gain knowledge and some more cheese. I can build an even more efficient fortress!
P.S, do you know, if you try to build farming tiles, while scrolling down the Z-levels, you can discover where your map cavern is as farm tiles will appear on buildable surface!
Nice way to pop open the cavern to start pasturing your animals.
Brilliant I should start doing this waiting for doors and furniture is a pain
This is brilliant. Couldn't you get 4 bedrooms around a door this way? "Doors connected to a shared wall" makes that hard I guess
I made a fort using that room value exploit, in my case I used it to put all of my bedrooms in a dorm style blob in the middle of my workshops then had all of the bedrooms overlap a similar corner of BS, the dwarves love their communal sleeping as long as they know somewhere out there is a functionally useless blob of platinum covered in "masterful engravings of a body part."
Does bed spacing in a Dorm affect Happiness in any way?
@@evankimori Nah but dorms themselves give bad thoughts compared to bedrooms, these were all zoned as individual bedrooms just impossibly tightly positioned to have high value rooms without the exploit.
"Our little bullshit corner" was hilarious 😄
one time I got an artifact candy door with engravings on it. used it on the king's office once my fortress achieved mountainhome status.
Aren't artifact doors really useful because they're immune to building destroyers?
A candy door is really cool because there's a justification for that, unlike an artifact wooden door that's somehow gas-tight
This is amazing. It's going to save so much room clutter. I am going to have to do larger embarks to maximize this exploit.
I hope they fix it, then. Trivializing game mechanics isn't really good for games in the long term.
@@ysf-psfx From what I've heard from Dwarf Fortress veterans, there are a huge number of ways to exploit this game and at the end of the day it's just up to the individual to limit themselves.
Finding the exploits and building weird shit is basically the point of this game though
I've just been making my guild halls and temples two stories of art first 11x11, but 9x9 still works and i haven't tried 7x7 yet, engraved by a legendary engraver. That puts them over 30k with just regular stone floors and walls. But this looks like a nice little exploit i might try in my next fort.
If you instead use double-thick walls between rooms, then both sides count as engraved, also with the Steam version you can now engrave constructed walls, which is new, but constructed walls are engraved on BOTH sides, so you don't have to manage which side the engraver is on, and it counts towards the value of other rooms that share that wall.
Given the sharing aspect and how it tends to be discouraged in most players opinions: does it negatively affect the value on shared rooms?
I just tested it and engraved constructed walls are not engraved on both sides.
To repeat the test yourself -> Build a platinum pillar and surround it with 4 platinum floor tiles, then engrave it. Make 4 guildhalls, each being the wall + one of the floor tiles, cycling through each. The guilds will be value 640 on the three non-engraved sides, corresponding to the one platinum floor tile + platinum wall. Only the tile where the engraver was standing on will be more valuable.
@@evankimori Yes it basically wipes out all value from the tile. In classic it was 75% but based on testing the steam version reduced it by something like 99%. That's why I had to build the doors in the video - a shared door connected to a shared wall does not have the value of its tile reduced.
@@FurtherReadingTVWell thank you for testing it. It gets mentioned on Reddit a lot so i'm not sure why.
i also hit that bell for more, keep it up brotha!!
Interesting, I did not know that engravings were 1-sided only... Does that mean a lone wall can't be engraved on all 4 sides? Only 1?
Also, that exploit seems way broken, I hope they fix it eventually. I don't think it was possible to do that in 0.47 since rooms could not be separated into two sections across the entire map.
Correct! Unsure about 2nd.
Correct - only one side of the wall is engraved so only rooms that contain the tile facing the engraving get the value boost.
And yeah, I expect this comes from how now rooms are just another flavor of activity zone, so they inherit the ability to be disconnected, I would expect this to be changed. I also think they should consider doing something about the engrave floor values - for walls the value depends on the most prevalent material in the room so you need the majority of the room to be platinum to see the benefit, while for rooms even without the exploit you need like 1-2 statues worth of platinum to get the max tier of value if you have a legendary engraver.
dayum, didn't realise the overlap penalty, that explains a lot, thanks!
My Vuurm value is now OVER 9000 😆
My current fort Heartlanterns attracted a legendary engraver early on and he has single dwarvenly engraved every single bedroom for a hundred, just the floors in a 5x5 room that good make them all personal palaces for a dwarfs fortress of dreams
I had the same thing in my fort. Legendary engravers are one of the most overpowered things in the game. You can mine out a a 7x7 room and put complete dogshit rock furniture in it and engrave the whole thing and it suddenly becomes a royal bedroom.
If you don't get a legendary engraver by chance I did the math to get one as quickly as dwarvenly possible. Start the embark with one dwarf that has 5 skill levels in engraving (the maximum) that means he has 3500 starting experience. He needs 18000 total to get to legendary meaning he needs 14500 more experience. He gets 10 experience per engraving according to the wiki meaning he needs to do 1450 engravings. Square root of 1450 is 38. So you can mine out and smooth a 38x38 area and get him to engrave the entire thing and you'll have a legendary engraver after about 2 in game years.
To maximize it even more build his bedroom right next to the practice area and create a small food/drink stockpile that takes from your mainstockpile just for him. Then set up a burrow just for him that he can't leave so he spends all of his time engraving.
@@cinifiend I just saw a post on reddit to speed that time up - lock two Dwarves in an engravers guild hall (along with food, drink and bedrooms) and they'll be legendary engravers after a year. I think you might need one to be at least novice in order to have them run training sessions, I'm still looking into the full details of how guild training works.
@@FurtherReadingTV That's an awesome tip! I hope you make a video on it someday.
I had a master and legendary engraver doing my walls and floors for my noble chambers. I'm not much of a micromanager so I just let them do their own thing. for the queen since she had higher demands, every bit of floor wall in her side of the chambers was platinum. unfortunately my master engraver went to her side in the legendary one went to do the floors and walls of the liaison. there are dozens of masterpiece engravings on the dolomite floors in the liaisons area. and maybe like one in the Queens zone. It ended up not mattering that much, but it was kind of funny that the fancier stuff ended up on the wrong side.
Thank you for video showcasing what you explained to back on Twitch to me. Fantastic work you are doing with your videos, my man. 👍
my bedrooms are going to look like straight gulags now
I did not know that engraving dwarf skill matters for the room value. Nice tip!
It's the engraving quality that matters, not the dwarf skill, but better skill means better quality engravings
You're... You're just explaining exactly how the dwarf skill matters. It's impossible to get a high value engraving without a high skill dwarf.
Okay, that exploit is hilariously good XD Liked & Subbed just for that
But wait, there's more.
Items displayed in Pedestals and display cases count toward room value. Have an artifact bracelet? Put it on a Pedestal.
Don't want it stolen? Put it behind a locked door. Value still counts!
Artifact millstone or mechanisms? Install those in a room too!
Yes however it will increase a dwarves happiness if they can see the artifact. Although I don't think as much as something else like a waterfall
Great video! Thanks for the info!
Glad I watched this
I only just read the wiki and found out about engraving walls
it it didnt say how to go about forcing a dwarf to stand in the room when engraving tho. Was ganna stop engraving walls XD
You could forbid the door to the next room over so they can't access the room from that side? Else you could try to restrict it via traffic priorities?
How do windows factor into this? I know they're considerably less efficient but they do share the same item multiplier of 25 that statues do and may or may not count as a wall for enclosing rooms and for overlap. Do engravings under the window count towards room value?
I believe I read that in the Steam version engravings now count regardless of the side? edit: Saw your replies to other comments. Interesting.. I wonder if the current behaviour is considered a bug then
cool exploit i never thought of that. I think just for enjoyments sake im sure at some point itll be useful
Now I see why some people leave two walls between rooms to allow engraving on all the walls of a room when not doing a "cheaty" setup like you made lol
I always have my walls 2 thick for everything so that i can get engravings on the side that i want. I'll continue to do that. But what this will do is allow me to make smaller rooms. My guildhalls and temples were 2 11x11 rooms each, although this fort i went down to 9x9. Using this, I'll be able to just make singular 7x7 or 9x9 rooms. That will help a lot with socializing.
i already make the same thing.. putting a "vault" room with my artifact, and asign to the guilds to get the requeriment.. but for me work also in different Z levels
Isn’t engraving unidirectional in the Steam release? I think they mentioned it on the DF Roundtable podcast.
I haven't tested it so it could certainly be possible!
I just tested it and can confirm that engraved constructed walls are still only engraved on one side.
To repeat the test yourself -> Build a platinum pillar and surround it with 4 platinum floor tiles, then engrave it. Make 4 guildhalls, each being the wall + one of the floor tiles, cycling through each. The guilds will be value 640 on the three non-engraved sides, corresponding to the one platinum floor tile + platinum wall. Only the guild containing the tile where the engraver was standing on will be more valuable.
@@FurtherReadingTV excellent! Glad you took the time to test it!
Does the BS corner affect how meetings, or other noble functions happen in the office? Like do Dwarves go to that area as well or do you have to lock it off?
Great question! I honestly have no idea. I'll keep an eye next time I use the BS corner - I am concerned now that it might end up being a "public" meeting if the office is sharing that corner.
Does this work with Noble rooms or just Guildhalls? thanks. I don't understand why it aint workin for me. Ive got a bedroom to be royal status but now i wanna do a study but its overlapping.
It works with every room. As long as the overlap is just walls or doors connected to shared walls the value should apply correctly.
Yeah its confusing because mine dont look like yours. I wish you could show what diggin you did to make your BS corner, Mine is basically a small room with floors and walls on each side and doors along the floor. I wish i could show you on discord this shit is givin me a headache
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Haha no worries! I have a discord invite link on my twitch if you wanna chat.
The simplest way to build it is to make a platinum corridor (which is slightly different than mine from the video). Get a 3 square wide line, put platinum walls on the edges so it's now a 1 square corridor Then replace the floor with platinum too. Engrave it all and then plop down doors.
Wow! im gonna try that thank you man!@@FurtherReadingTV
Thanks for video! Is it possible to see a value of bedrooms in Steam version?
Unfortunately not
Do you know if the shared wall value also applies to windows? Could 4 rooms share a gem window?
Not sure! I'll test it out next time I'm playing df
'Over lapping rooms only the first to claim the wall, gets the value'
I'm sure I read or heard this on a talk with tarn or on bay12games website when talking about steam version
I tested this myself just now and can confirm it still behaves like in classic - only the tile the engraver was standing on gets the value bump and (assuming you use the door trick in the video) all rooms sharing that tile get the value bump too. Perhaps that quote is referencing future plans for the mechanic?
@@FurtherReadingTV Thats great to know :D
means I dont need to use 2 tile walls XD
I really wish you explained why we should increase room values. I truly have no idea why or when I should be increasing a rooms value.
I did - at 1:30! The TL;DW is dwarves have minimum quality requirements for petitions/requests. To add to that, rooms like bedrooms and dining halls can get happiness bonuses if they are high quality, maxing out at the same 10k figure.
though the walls and doors trick is interesting, it seems a bit extra work since, if you're looking to cheat, you can just change the room minimum value for things like grand guild halls in the options. you could just change it to 0 if you wanted to.
Super cheesy, I love it!
nifty
Best non exploity way to get high room value for me was building statues using platinum and aluminium, one of the few simple ways to get your room value up to royal status non cheesed...
Well engraving walls just became a much lower priority for me! What a rubbish mechanic
"our little bullshit corner" really got me
Great suggestion with the Traffic Controls! When I heard about "one-sided engravings", I worried how I was going to ensure that I didn't get engravings in the adjacent hallways.
* *Goes to build a bullshit corner* * 🤣
I just use a display case and shove an artefact on it cut gems anything really 1 tile can give you over 50k. But this is great 👍
Nice Video!
In the past I've used a burrow to make sure engraving was happening from where I wanted it to happen... But burrows come off as a 'suggestion with no priority' more than anything these days. Coupled with priority I might be able to get these dwarves moving more quickly! Come on dwarves that forgotten 'hell' beast wants to make you it's b!tch. Stragglers will be left as tribute at the closed gates!
Have you made sure that dwarves aren't fetching resources from outside the burrow? One of the options on the burrow window allows you to restrict them from doing that; it looks like a workshop with a coloured border around the button.
"This bullshit" indeed.
nice trick. The way I was doing was putting an artifact on display to get 10k.
I've started locking those behind gem windows in the hope they do not get stolen anymore
i would love it if we could choose what side of the wall will be engraved and that we could engrave all sides.
weapon traps was busted for furniture and now this?!
Thanks, my nobles were pissing me off lol.
2:27 that is questionable mechanic
Thumbnail is awesome
So I’m guessing engraving walls is more valuable than constructing your own walls? I never knew how value was calculated, so I always constructed walls and floors in the rooms I planned to be more valuable, but I also did that because I like the way it looks.
You mean like if an unengraved chert block wall is worth more than an engraved smoothed chert wall? I am not sure how the calculation goes in that situation, I wouldn't be surprised if smoothed and constructed walls have similar value.
Would an engraving facing a door count toward room value? If so you could engrave the inside of the doorways before adding doors, and share that between connected rooms.
Yup that's part of what's going on in the bullshit corner - the walls are engraved from the sides before the doors are added.