Cameron’s movie is so special to me because of the way it looks, they nailed some indescribable subconscious thing that just makes you feel like you are there. It straight up looks real. The glow of the sun is literally real. While the 2012 miniseries looks like a BBC television production with modern actors. It has a meta aesthetic to it, it looks like a period piece and not something real. I look at it and see actors on a set. I look at Cameron’s film and I feel the wind and the temperature and the sounds. It’s just simply vivid.
Loves this! I had no idea so many movies about Titanic had been made, I agree with you in the end that each of the movies have something to offer, and it’s so interesting to see how the time period each was made in defines the story and how it’s told. I’d watch more videos in this format if you’d make more talking about other famous ships in cinema
What about SOS Titanic from 1979 a british TV movie with Ian Holm as Bruce Ismay. David Warner was in that movie as well. This was the Titanic movie i watched a lot as a kid in the 1980s
19:24 - Believe it or not, that’s actually stock footage of SS Bremen at sea that was utilized in the 1943 film. So basically ANTR used stock footage of stock footage.
I think it was in the audio commentary for A Night to Remember where Ken Marschall said that the 1958 film took some footage from a German film produced in 1943. By the way he spoke about it, they either didn't know the details about the 1943 film, or the 1943 film was so under-the-radar and hardly known as it was that to take/license the few clips they did was a non-issue. I probably shouldn't have approached it as some dark hidden question warranting conspiracy. It was just a bit of a shock to see the same footage used!
@@ManWhoLovesTheMary You mean the 1958 film, as in ANTR? Yes, I don’t think the ‘43 version was widely seen outside Germany and the former Soviet Bloc when they recorded that commentary in the 90s. ANTR used very little of the stock footage, just some brief optically flipped and cropped shots. However, the earlier 1956 American television adaptation used extensive stock footage from the 1943 version, as did a few other American and British television shows in the 50s and 60. ‘43 Titanic was considered to be “spoils of war” and was plundered mercilessly.
@@Austinpride560 Oh, interesting! I always thought it was part of some NDL promotional newsreel. Now I must track down this earlier film. Thank you so much for this amazing new info!
I like your video. Historians often don't take into the film making aspect of Cameron's Titanic, and film critics often disregard all of the historical accuracy in the film. But, you appear to understand both a I think you got it right in your analysis
@@titanictx883 still there were obvious things that got wrong. For eg, Even with clear testimony, the movie got Ismay-Smith conversation wrong. Movie says Ismay forced Captain to light last boilers and speed up to create speed records for headlines. In actual testimony from Elizabeth lines, Ismay was discussing about Titanic's perfomance and comparing it to Olympic. He wanted to see if Titanic could beat Olympic's crossing time she made on her maiden voyage. In real, he suggested a speed test, scheduled for April 15. The last single ended boilers weren't even lit. Another example is the lifeboats. There are literally zero testimonies to say it was lessened for aesthetic reasons. It was a joint committee decision to comply to board of Trade regulations. It wasn't Titanic exclusive, all other ships of the time had 20 or less. The purpose of lifeboats were different, not to hold everyone for a prolonged time but to ferry passengers from sinking ship to rescue ship. Olympic class's original designer Alexander Carlisle testified of no deliberate reduction of lifeboats, and added to that Ismay approved the new Welin davits that could hold additional boats incase the laws changed in future. Same for small rudder myth, calculated with today's standards, rudder was only slightly small where the difference is negligible. Olympic's service records, especially ramming and sinking a u-boat shows Olympic class ships had a good rudder and were highly manouverable for their size. Then comes the "ignoring warnings and sped up" myth. As a response to warnings, Titanic's route was changed to the far south route. The rest of the warnings they got didn't put bergs in their direct path. Captain gave orders to slow down if they saw something serious. Other ship captains testified he did standard practice which was to pass potential dangerous waters as fast as they could and only stop if they saw something serious. The night was pitch black and flat calm, they thought they'd see something in time while these conditions worked against them. Another inaccuracy was third class being locked up. Another one is Murdoch ordering reverse engines when sighting iceberg. The engines were ordered stop. This myth, though seems small, brought unwanted criticism to Murdoch's decisions. Portraying Murdoch as a suicidal coward when in real the officer's identity wasn't confirmed. Portrayal of Andrews and Captain Smith's last sighting. Both were seen together at Port bridge jumping to the ocean when final plunge started. Portraying Ismay sneaking in while in real Ismay was actually helping in evacuation and only got into a lifeboat after no women and children were left in his vicinity and Murdoch allowed. These are some. Some inaccuracies were easily corrective but the movie chose not to.
@@titanictx883 of course there were historical accuracies. First and foremost is the ship itself. Both miniatures and the life size set. They made it accurate as possible and only filled the data they couldn't get by referring the sister ships, especially Olympic. The set pieces too. There are some inaccuracies but can be disregarded due to limitations for them. The sinking was accurate for the 1995 theory. Some of the events with people in background were accurate. The historical figures were accurate. The 3rd party did happen. The 1st class gathering at dining room is shown pretty accurate. The Sunday Mass, the boarding of passengers at Cherbourg , especially SS Nomadic shown besides Titanic anchored. The Ismay Smith conversation being overheard by Elizabeth lines (though entire context was changed). Launching of lifeboats, one lifeboat being lowered over the other and that boat being pushed outwards from the water discharge, a lady passenger being accidentally thrown off the deck to a lifeboat and being rescued back to the ship, etc were pretty accurate that happened during sinking. The deleted scene showing the Straus's, deleted scene of overturned collapsible with men standing on and balancing, Chef Charles Joughin shown during final plunge and in the deleted scene on upturned collapsible, the whole drama around the last two collapsible s unable to be launched, Officer Moody responding to the iceberg warning, the warning itself portrayed from referring Fleet's testimony, tiller commands shown when the quartermaster Hitchens was steering the ship, using Morse lamps on bridge wings during sinking, the band playing till last, the engineers working till last,etc were also portrayed most accurately. Though all these moments are only shown briefly and not explained properly. The movie is great, it does portray events fairly accurately, but there are many intentional and unintentional inaccuracies that most don't identify. As a movie, this is one of the best. For historical references and accuracies, not the best. But this movie was the one that brought many into the subject of Titanic.
@@titanictx883 there have been so many versions. Mostly the break-up. Initially, before the discovery of the wreck, it was thought she sank intact. Then after analysing the wreck , came several breakup theories. First was from Ballard himself, with Titanic breaking between 3rd and 4th funnel in a 30° angle or something. This was modified and came the 1995 theory. In the 1995 Titanic breaks between 3rd and 4th funnels in an extreme 45° angle. Later, the theories were modified by analysing survivor accounts with and without considering the port list also. Then, in the 2010s the debris field was extensively surveyed and found the bent double bottom piece. Along with this piece and the missing section under the 3rd funnel , new theory was formed. More survivor accounts were analysed. This theory was studied more and now it is concluded that Titanic broke between 2nd and 3rd funnels in a more shallower angle of about 22°. The break-up happened just forward to the 3rd funnel. Then the superstructure under funnel 3, called the tower section, was broken off. So technically, Titanic broke into 3 pieces- the bow section, the tower section under 3rd funnel and the stern. This tower section was further broken into two more pieces - the forward and aft tower sections. If we analyse the wreck, the whole section under funnel 3 is missing. Along with the discovery of the double bottom piece, the pulverized remains of the tower section was also found in the debris field. I think the channel Titanic animations and Honor and Glory interprets this currently accepted breakup sinking theory almost accurately.
This is super interesting! I really liked how well organized your video is and how well you compared the films together seamlessly in a single video. Great job!
2nd Class Titanic passengers: I want to be represented in a feature length film about us James Cameron: Most I can do is a priest and the violin quartet
Bravo!! This has to be one of the best videos I’ve seen about various and sundry Titanic depictions. First of all, kudos to you for that comprehensive list of movies, TV shows, and miniseries about the Titanic. I’ve been compiling a mental list for years and you included some of what I thought were the more “obscure” ones on my list like “Chambermaid on the Titanic”, “No Greater Love”, “The Time Tunnel”, “Voyagers” and “Upstairs, Downstairs”. Well done!! Second, you share my opinion that while there is no “perfect” Titanic movie, even the “worst” ones have some merit. Julian Fellowes’ 2012 miniseries “Titanic” is, I believe, the only representation of Dorothy Gibson (other than her own 1912 film). Otherwise, the series - for me, anyway - sadly missed the mark. “Chambermaid On The Titanic” is one of the few - if not the only - films to show the Titanic backing out stern first from Southampton rather than the more dramatic looking bow first. I criticize Cameron’s “Titanic” for his omission of Ida and Isador Straus except for the scene of an unidentified older couple in a bed as the rising water swirls around them. I realize Cameron had time constraints with the length of the film but he could have easily fit the Strauses into the dining room scene where Rose is pointing out various first class passengers to Jack. The Strauses have been mentioned in almost every major Titanic film or series. I thought it was a major faux-pas on Cameron’s part to gloss over them the way he did. I also didn’t like Cameron’s depiction of Lightoller. He made him seem a bit menacing and wild-eyed compared to other depictions I’ve seen most notably in “A Night To Remember” where he seems to be the hero of the hour. Anyway, as I said - great job with this video. I totally enjoyed it and all the thought and effort that you put into it. Again - well done!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I love your insight! And am flattered by your commendments. And it never reached the forefront of my mind Cameron's lack-of depiction of the Stauses. Even the deleted scenes don't acknowledge the great success they were. And their story is really compelling. I'd love to see a movie just about them and how they rose to prominence.
@@ManWhoLovesTheMary It astonishes me that Cameron didn’t include the Strauses more prominently especially considering some of the wonderful historical advisors he had with him for the film. It just seems like a terrible and glaring omission. I agree - I’d love to see more of their story in a future film or miniseries. The ship was filled with many people with interesting stories. I’ve often thought that an interesting miniseries would be to follow the lives of some of the survivors - all classes - including crew. Many did not have easy lives after after the Titanic.
Great video! My favourite has always been Cameron’s version, but I’ve also watched the 1996 film multiple times. I recently watched A Night To Remember for the first time though, and thought it felt almost like seeing a history book played out in film form since it’s so focused on portraying the facts, while Cameron’s film is better at capturing the feeling and emotional experience of being on the ship, in my opinion, mostly thanks to the story and music. I actually think focusing on the two (fictional) characters was a good decision and made the film at least more impactful than ANTR for me, thus better conveying the tradgedy of the disaster. But I get why someone would prefer the older film as well, it’s just about what kind of style you like. Now I’m also a little curious of what you’d think about the Titanic video games, like the Hidden Mysteries ones. I kinda like their stories and find them at least quite interesting.
your videos are SO GOOD i have no idea how you only have 700 subs and how this only has 13k views and some of your others have only a few hundred these are perfect
@@sometimesiwi Thank you. That means a lot! I’ve discerned some of the reasons. And exposure is always one of them. And a BIG one. When you’re not already in with the Astors and the Boston Dawsons, it does play a significant role. Type of videos is another. So, do spread the word 😅. Yes, being recognized for my work is part of wanting to grow, but there’s a much bigger vision and that’s bringing the golden age of ocean travel back to life, uncovering the past to help our modern perceptions and misperceptions of it, and helping the Queen Mary be put back on the map again and seeing her restored to her proper former glory.
@@ManWhoLovesTheMary Another honorable mention should go to the 1956 Kraft version of a Night to Remember. Its unique because the whole thing was shown live-twice!
In my research, I noted the Night Gallery episode in the quick list that jetted by in the video, but I don't think I've ever seen it. And I know! I felt like the video was long enough as it was, but I'm continuing to discover the impact SOS Titanic has made on people.
Gotta love how each movie or show was accurate for it's time then a new one came out and the past was past. I just watched a night to remember and the 1953 movies for the first time last year and enjoyed them
@@prankchallel1853 It may take some time. The novel is about 500 pages long and with so many characters. The book alone is so rich in detail. But I am at work on it. And I look forward to the final video and hope you enjoy it once it’s up.
2:02 - I think that’s either SS Kronprinzessin Cecilie or SS Kaiser Wilhelm II. The superstructure looks too sophisticated to be the older Kaiser Wilhelm der Große or Kronprinz Wilhelm.
I am planning to write my own Titanic Story about these two ten year old cousins who sailed on the Titanic and Survived the nightmare of the shipwreck with their own courage and witts and their broken friendship but with great cost obviously meaning their families from their parents and older siblings did not survive and the sinking of the Titanic brings the two cousins relationship more closer and helps them reconcile and everyone who died on the Titanic plays a part in the cousins story from Captain Smith Bruce Ismay Thomas Andrews Benjamin Gutinhiem and his Italian butler and his mistress and John Jacob Aster and Maddlin Aster and Molly Brown Mr and Miss Strous and Wallace Hartley and the rest of the band even Officer Moody and Wild and Murdoch and Lightoller.
@@ManWhoLovesTheMary the story is called Don't Lose The Light and I hope I get it published and I hope you read it to when it is finished. And if you want to make a video about it or just talk about it in a upcoming video feel free. However I am having a conflict with Murdoch right now remember how he committed suicide after shooting someone else in James Cameron version I was planning to have him do the same thing in my story 😢 but unlike Cameron version Murdoch suicide plays a part in the cousins story but I found out that Cameron offended Murdoch descendents his community 😢 and he had to fly to Scotland and apologizes to Murdoch Family and his community 😢 and he even payed them to because they were going to Sue him or Cameron was afraid they would and as for Ismay I do not know where to begin because I just found out he may not have made the ship sail through the ocean to fast so I am confused.
The very sad part about the Nazi Titanic Film is: The Cap Arcona was sunk carrying 7000 KZ inmitates, and 6400 of them died on the ship and in the aftermath of the sinking.
Her and the Wilhelm Gustloff had such tragic and malicious/mistaken endings. And their Nazi reputations doesn't help, either. Makes it hard to appreciate the ships themselves. They need their own Night to Remember to humanize their stories...to whatever degree is reputably possible (considering their affiliations) and..can be done. There are at least a few quality documentaries about the Wilhelm Gustloff.
@@ManWhoLovesTheMaryThe biggest difference between the two is that Cap Arcona’s casualties were also Holocaust victims, while Wilhelm Gustloff was, well, a “nazi barge.”
Fun fact, Edmund Purdom who played Lightoller in Titanic 1953 went on to voice the cat in the infamous Titanic animated movie - Titanic: The Legend Goes On………….yep
I know!!! I'm learning more and more what an impact that movie made on people. And dare I confess, I didn't even watch SOS Titanic in preparation for the video. But I'm going to make sure to check it out. The shots I've seen of it look really good.
I’ve been asked that by several commenters. There were already so many movies to cover. Maybe I’ll save it for its own video altogether. Yes. That’s what I’ll do! I feel like it doesn’t get talked about much as it is. Like it no doubt should.
Awesome video bud. I didn't know there was so much to learn about Titanic. I kind of want to check out the 1996 movie now lol. But I'm a little scared to see the Nazi movie. And I wasn't expecting to see Ryan George. And I remember the Backstreet Boys :D
I rather like the 1953 Titanic. Same amount of sappy romance as 1997, but at half the length. And I started weeping over Mr and Mrs Strauss. Walter Lord has an acknowledgment in his book for a researcher at 20th Century-Fox.
I would love to do a deep-dive (pun intended if I ever achieve the $200,000-something to get the privilege to see the wreck in-person) on Ghosts of the Abyss. I was blessed to get to see the documentary in theaters in 3D when it came out and it was an incredible experience! And I actually saw a review for Titanic 666 (eyes wide with so many emotions at the same time) and kinda thought about the possibility of reviewing it sometime during the Halloween season, especially since they filmed a lot of scenes aboard the Queen Mary. Such a wild, hear-me-out "film" that is as bad as it is luring (not to be confused with alluring, of course).
14:18, 'shoutout' and 15:00 'how much alike they are,' and 19:58 'how much Cameron took.' Cameron basically pieced his film together from bits he saw in other films. Not just from the 1958 ANTR but also from the 1943 (as you yourself noted at 10:51), 1953, 1979 SOS Titanic and 1980s Raise the Titanic films as well. Another term you might have used was 'callbacks.' But honestly just how much are these a way of tipping a hat to earlier films versus just plain ripping off other people's work? Obvious Cameron couldn’t be bothered to think of an orginal idea himself.
A good effort at comparing the movies. 1943 - propaganda with some interesting scenes. 1953 - meh 1958 - A Night to Remember - still the iconic Titanic movie. 1996 - Series - Titanic for Dummies. Way too much repetition, with way too many fictional characters. Drawn out to fill several nights. 1997- Cameron put in a lot of effort, but was to much in love with love. You can literally start the movie just before the ship hits the iceberg and have a good idea of what may have happened.
I love the 1997 Movies music but I might skip to the sinking part. A night to Remember is in my view, the best one, Going back in time, the German NAZI one is fantastic and eerie when you research more about that WW2 movie. In Night and Ice is great too because your so near the time of the sinking, it feels like your going back in time. The 1929 Movie as well I really enjoy. Great video btw!! Well made! oh, and another one was SoS Titanic from 1979.... quite good but the final moments of the sinking isnt good.
Titanic 1997: a lot of sentimental over-acted American Hollywood tosh superimposed over the disaster. Di Caprio, A pretty boy running around out of time (no Edwardian would have behaved like this) and Winslet in full 1990s Prima Donna mode. None of this drivel is saved by the special effects. A Night to Remember light years better. Very British, but accurately British and the emphasis where it should be on the ship, the passengers and crew with no need for a silly, contrived, far-fetched, over-egged romance.
marktaggart8670, I agree with you. A Night To Remember is much more historically accurate than Cameron's Titanic film. None of the real unmarried 1st class women passengers aboard the Titanic would have had any interest in starting a relationship with a poor guy in steerage. Cameron's fictional character Rose was based on a woman named Beatrice Wood who was alive in 1912 but she had nothing to do with the Titanic because she was not aboard the Titanic.She was still alive when Cameron was filming Titanic in 1996-1997 but she passed away in 1998.
I love A Night To Remember better than the 1997 one. I’m not into romance movies really, being close to the reality seemed to be spot on with A Night To Remember.
Which is sad, because the Californian makes the storyline that much more compelling. Though Cameron would have included more about her if those scenes didn't get cut out, as it were :(
The German film Titanic like the the James Cameron film of the same name emphasize the hidden agenda of Bruce Ismay. Up to 1,000 films were made in Germany in the 12 years ending in 1945. Only 3 were anti-Jewish. One about financial speculation relating to the Battle of Waterloo is clever and subtle and factually based, a second film about a Jewish court official in 1738 Stuttgart deals with his frauds and subsequent punishment and the third film is propaganda, but correctly identifies powerful Jews in named countries. Each of these films was made in 1940. Almost every other film dealt with normal topics filmed and there were good actors and actresses. Film directors carried on until 1963, when several film studios went bankrupt. When I lived in Germany, 1967 to 1970, practically no German films were made at all. Rainer Fassbinder made films, 1975 until his death in 1982 of a drug overdose at the age of 37. His films are dreary and humorless and all his characters are misfits. How films gave been since, I do not know, but with the guilt feelings all Germans must have since 1945, they are probably similar to Fassbinder.
I think he meant he just assumed it would be bad because it was a nazi propaganda film, but was surprised to find that objectively it’s a good movie on its own. This occurred with many people who watched the 1943 version expecting the worst.
Well the intro was only like 2 minutes long. The first portion was a review of the first two movies and after the main intro was information about how to be sensitive about a sensitive topic using Judi Dench in Philomena as an example. This is a video essay and in video essays, the intro is more than hey guys this is my video and this is what I'm talkin gabout in my video. No offense bud. I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just trying to show a different side. God bless man.
A Titanic movie or series should always be done with Practical Effects. That’s how the fans like it.
True. Thank you.
The older the movie, the more precious it seems, getting closer and closer to that time period.
True!
@@AdmiralNelson1000 Glad they've survived to our time!
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Cameron’s movie is so special to me because of the way it looks, they nailed some indescribable subconscious thing that just makes you feel like you are there. It straight up looks real. The glow of the sun is literally real. While the 2012 miniseries looks like a BBC television production with modern actors. It has a meta aesthetic to it, it looks like a period piece and not something real. I look at it and see actors on a set. I look at Cameron’s film and I feel the wind and the temperature and the sounds. It’s just simply vivid.
Loves this! I had no idea so many movies about Titanic had been made, I agree with you in the end that each of the movies have something to offer, and it’s so interesting to see how the time period each was made in defines the story and how it’s told. I’d watch more videos in this format if you’d make more talking about other famous ships in cinema
What about SOS Titanic from 1979 a british TV movie with Ian Holm as Bruce Ismay.
David Warner was in that movie as well.
This was the Titanic movie i watched a lot as a kid in the 1980s
19:24 - Believe it or not, that’s actually stock footage of SS Bremen at sea that was utilized in the 1943 film. So basically ANTR used stock footage of stock footage.
I think it was in the audio commentary for A Night to Remember where Ken Marschall said that the 1958 film took some footage from a German film produced in 1943. By the way he spoke about it, they either didn't know the details about the 1943 film, or the 1943 film was so under-the-radar and hardly known as it was that to take/license the few clips they did was a non-issue. I probably shouldn't have approached it as some dark hidden question warranting conspiracy. It was just a bit of a shock to see the same footage used!
@@ManWhoLovesTheMary You mean the 1958 film, as in ANTR? Yes, I don’t think the ‘43 version was widely seen outside Germany and the former Soviet Bloc when they recorded that commentary in the 90s. ANTR used very little of the stock footage, just some brief optically flipped and cropped shots. However, the earlier 1956 American television adaptation used extensive stock footage from the 1943 version, as did a few other American and British television shows in the 50s and 60. ‘43 Titanic was considered to be “spoils of war” and was plundered mercilessly.
The video of the SS Breman in the video was from the 1936 German film spiel an bord
@@Austinpride560 Oh, interesting! I always thought it was part of some NDL promotional newsreel. Now I must track down this earlier film. Thank you so much for this amazing new info!
@@Austinpride560Oh, wow! And both films were directed by Herbert Selpin.
I like your video. Historians often don't take into the film making aspect of Cameron's Titanic, and film critics often disregard all of the historical accuracy in the film. But, you appear to understand both a I think you got it right in your analysis
That means so much. Thank you so. much.
Cameron movie has enough of inaccuracies
@@titanictx883 still there were obvious things that got wrong. For eg, Even with clear testimony, the movie got Ismay-Smith conversation wrong. Movie says Ismay forced Captain to light last boilers and speed up to create speed records for headlines. In actual testimony from Elizabeth lines, Ismay was discussing about Titanic's perfomance and comparing it to Olympic. He wanted to see if Titanic could beat Olympic's crossing time she made on her maiden voyage. In real, he suggested a speed test, scheduled for April 15. The last single ended boilers weren't even lit.
Another example is the lifeboats. There are literally zero testimonies to say it was lessened for aesthetic reasons. It was a joint committee decision to comply to board of Trade regulations. It wasn't Titanic exclusive, all other ships of the time had 20 or less. The purpose of lifeboats were different, not to hold everyone for a prolonged time but to ferry passengers from sinking ship to rescue ship. Olympic class's original designer Alexander Carlisle testified of no deliberate reduction of lifeboats, and added to that Ismay approved the new Welin davits that could hold additional boats incase the laws changed in future.
Same for small rudder myth, calculated with today's standards, rudder was only slightly small where the difference is negligible. Olympic's service records, especially ramming and sinking a u-boat shows Olympic class ships had a good rudder and were highly manouverable for their size.
Then comes the "ignoring warnings and sped up" myth. As a response to warnings, Titanic's route was changed to the far south route. The rest of the warnings they got didn't put bergs in their direct path. Captain gave orders to slow down if they saw something serious. Other ship captains testified he did standard practice which was to pass potential dangerous waters as fast as they could and only stop if they saw something serious. The night was pitch black and flat calm, they thought they'd see something in time while these conditions worked against them.
Another inaccuracy was third class being locked up.
Another one is Murdoch ordering reverse engines when sighting iceberg. The engines were ordered stop. This myth, though seems small, brought unwanted criticism to Murdoch's decisions.
Portraying Murdoch as a suicidal coward when in real the officer's identity wasn't confirmed.
Portrayal of Andrews and Captain Smith's last sighting. Both were seen together at Port bridge jumping to the ocean when final plunge started.
Portraying Ismay sneaking in while in real Ismay was actually helping in evacuation and only got into a lifeboat after no women and children were left in his vicinity and Murdoch allowed.
These are some. Some inaccuracies were easily corrective but the movie chose not to.
@@titanictx883 of course there were historical accuracies.
First and foremost is the ship itself. Both miniatures and the life size set. They made it accurate as possible and only filled the data they couldn't get by referring the sister ships, especially Olympic. The set pieces too. There are some inaccuracies but can be disregarded due to limitations for them.
The sinking was accurate for the 1995 theory.
Some of the events with people in background were accurate. The historical figures were accurate.
The 3rd party did happen. The 1st class gathering at dining room is shown pretty accurate.
The Sunday Mass, the boarding of passengers at Cherbourg , especially SS Nomadic shown besides Titanic anchored.
The Ismay Smith conversation being overheard by Elizabeth lines (though entire context was changed).
Launching of lifeboats, one lifeboat being lowered over the other and that boat being pushed outwards from the water discharge, a lady passenger being accidentally thrown off the deck to a lifeboat and being rescued back to the ship, etc were pretty accurate that happened during sinking.
The deleted scene showing the Straus's, deleted scene of overturned collapsible with men standing on and balancing, Chef Charles Joughin shown during final plunge and in the deleted scene on upturned collapsible, the whole drama around the last two collapsible s unable to be launched, Officer Moody responding to the iceberg warning, the warning itself portrayed from referring Fleet's testimony, tiller commands shown when the quartermaster Hitchens was steering the ship, using Morse lamps on bridge wings during sinking, the band playing till last, the engineers working till last,etc were also portrayed most accurately. Though all these moments are only shown briefly and not explained properly. The movie is great, it does portray events fairly accurately, but there are many intentional and unintentional inaccuracies that most don't identify. As a movie, this is one of the best. For historical references and accuracies, not the best. But this movie was the one that brought many into the subject of Titanic.
@@titanictx883 there have been so many versions. Mostly the break-up. Initially, before the discovery of the wreck, it was thought she sank intact. Then after analysing the wreck , came several breakup theories.
First was from Ballard himself, with Titanic breaking between 3rd and 4th funnel in a 30° angle or something. This was modified and came the 1995 theory.
In the 1995 Titanic breaks between 3rd and 4th funnels in an extreme 45° angle.
Later, the theories were modified by analysing survivor accounts with and without considering the port list also.
Then, in the 2010s the debris field was extensively surveyed and found the bent double bottom piece. Along with this piece and the missing section under the 3rd funnel , new theory was formed. More survivor accounts were analysed. This theory was studied more and now it is concluded that Titanic broke between 2nd and 3rd funnels in a more shallower angle of about 22°. The break-up happened just forward to the 3rd funnel. Then the superstructure under funnel 3, called the tower section, was broken off. So technically, Titanic broke into 3 pieces- the bow section, the tower section under 3rd funnel and the stern. This tower section was further broken into two more pieces - the forward and aft tower sections. If we analyse the wreck, the whole section under funnel 3 is missing. Along with the discovery of the double bottom piece, the pulverized remains of the tower section was also found in the debris field.
I think the channel Titanic animations and Honor and Glory interprets this currently accepted breakup sinking theory almost accurately.
I really appreciate your video. I have been wanting to watch older movies about titanic, but i didn't know which ones. Thank you for helping me out
This is super interesting! I really liked how well organized your video is and how well you compared the films together seamlessly in a single video. Great job!
2nd Class Titanic passengers: I want to be represented in a feature length film about us
James Cameron: Most I can do is a priest and the violin quartet
That's why I like SOS Titanic. It had all the classes
I haven’t seen any of these movies. But since watching the video, I vote for SOS Titanic which you didn’t mention.
0:52 Newspaper got that wrong about all being saved. I got a reprint of the Daily Mirror saying the same thing
Bravo!! This has to be one of the best videos I’ve seen about various and sundry Titanic depictions. First of all, kudos to you for that comprehensive list of movies, TV shows, and miniseries about the Titanic. I’ve been compiling a mental list for years and you included some of what I thought were the more “obscure” ones on my list like “Chambermaid on the Titanic”, “No Greater Love”, “The Time Tunnel”, “Voyagers” and “Upstairs, Downstairs”. Well done!! Second, you share my opinion that while there is no “perfect” Titanic movie, even the “worst” ones have some merit. Julian Fellowes’ 2012 miniseries “Titanic” is, I believe, the only representation of Dorothy Gibson (other than her own 1912 film). Otherwise, the series - for me, anyway - sadly missed the mark. “Chambermaid On The Titanic” is one of the few - if not the only - films to show the Titanic backing out stern first from Southampton rather than the more dramatic looking bow first. I criticize Cameron’s “Titanic” for his omission of Ida and Isador Straus except for the scene of an unidentified older couple in a bed as the rising water swirls around them. I realize Cameron had time constraints with the length of the film but he could have easily fit the Strauses into the dining room scene where Rose is pointing out various first class passengers to Jack. The Strauses have been mentioned in almost every major Titanic film or series. I thought it was a major faux-pas on Cameron’s part to gloss over them the way he did. I also didn’t like Cameron’s depiction of Lightoller. He made him seem a bit menacing and wild-eyed compared to other depictions I’ve seen most notably in “A Night To Remember” where he seems to be the hero of the hour. Anyway, as I said - great job with this video. I totally enjoyed it and all the thought and effort that you put into it. Again - well done!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I love your insight! And am flattered by your commendments. And it never reached the forefront of my mind Cameron's lack-of depiction of the Stauses. Even the deleted scenes don't acknowledge the great success they were. And their story is really compelling. I'd love to see a movie just about them and how they rose to prominence.
@@ManWhoLovesTheMary It astonishes me that Cameron didn’t include the Strauses more prominently especially considering some of the wonderful historical advisors he had with him for the film. It just seems like a terrible and glaring omission. I agree - I’d love to see more of their story in a future film or miniseries. The ship was filled with many people with interesting stories. I’ve often thought that an interesting miniseries would be to follow the lives of some of the survivors - all classes - including crew. Many did not have easy lives after after the Titanic.
the legend is baaaaaaack!
This needs more views!!!
Great video! My favourite has always been Cameron’s version, but I’ve also watched the 1996 film multiple times. I recently watched A Night To Remember for the first time though, and thought it felt almost like seeing a history book played out in film form since it’s so focused on portraying the facts, while Cameron’s film is better at capturing the feeling and emotional experience of being on the ship, in my opinion, mostly thanks to the story and music. I actually think focusing on the two (fictional) characters was a good decision and made the film at least more impactful than ANTR for me, thus better conveying the tradgedy of the disaster. But I get why someone would prefer the older film as well, it’s just about what kind of style you like.
Now I’m also a little curious of what you’d think about the Titanic video games, like the Hidden Mysteries ones. I kinda like their stories and find them at least quite interesting.
After watching this, I feel the need to watch other films based on the Titanic.
your videos are SO GOOD i have no idea how you only have 700 subs and how this only has 13k views and some of your others have only a few hundred these are perfect
@@sometimesiwi Thank you. That means a lot! I’ve discerned some of the reasons. And exposure is always one of them. And a BIG one. When you’re not already in with the Astors and the Boston Dawsons, it does play a significant role. Type of videos is another. So, do spread the word 😅. Yes, being recognized for my work is part of wanting to grow, but there’s a much bigger vision and that’s bringing the golden age of ocean travel back to life, uncovering the past to help our modern perceptions and misperceptions of it, and helping the Queen Mary be put back on the map again and seeing her restored to her proper former glory.
@@ManWhoLovesTheMary Another honorable mention should go to the 1956 Kraft version of a Night to Remember. Its unique because the whole thing was shown live-twice!
Thanks good video but you forgot the 1979 movie, SOS TITANIC. There was also episode in the 1970s show THE NIGHT GALLERY about the TITANIC.
In my research, I noted the Night Gallery episode in the quick list that jetted by in the video, but I don't think I've ever seen it. And I know! I felt like the video was long enough as it was, but I'm continuing to discover the impact SOS Titanic has made on people.
Great comparison. I love it.
I love the flow of information you have provided this was an excellent video
Gotta love how each movie or show was accurate for it's time then a new one came out and the past was past. I just watched a night to remember and the 1953 movies for the first time last year and enjoyed them
I loved it can you cover the 1965 movie ship of fools please 🥺
I'm putting it at the top of my list for this series!
When will the video be updated just wondering
@@prankchallel1853 Are you referring to the Ship of Fools movie analysis or the Queen Mary?
Ship of fools
@@prankchallel1853 It may take some time. The novel is about 500 pages long and with so many characters. The book alone is so rich in detail. But I am at work on it. And I look forward to the final video and hope you enjoy it once it’s up.
Very nice video! I look forward to more of your work!
So many movies! Now I have to watch them all ☺️
I really love the 1943 German film Titanic. My favorite Titanic films are A Night to Remember (1958) and Titanic (1997).
Great Video Mate!
2:02 - I think that’s either SS Kronprinzessin Cecilie or SS Kaiser Wilhelm II. The superstructure looks too sophisticated to be the older Kaiser Wilhelm der Große or Kronprinz Wilhelm.
I see the Explosion between the third and fourth funnel in the 1953 movie as an early depiction of of the breakup.
This is an amazing piece of work, I’ve posted it on my Titanic Discord :D
Wow! Thank you. That means so much. Can't describe how thankful I am.
@@ManWhoLovesTheMary no problem ! Lots of others on the Discord love it too !
Awesome video! You did a fantastic job
Well done, Matt
ANTR and Titanic 1997 are the best movies.
When you actually look at the cast and crew of many of the Titanic movies they’re all connected in some way
Even the 1943 version shared one of the actors with the 1929 version.
A Night to Remember hired 4th officer Joseph Boxhall as a history consultant.
I am planning to write my own Titanic Story about these two ten year old cousins who sailed on the Titanic and Survived the nightmare of the shipwreck with their own courage and witts and their broken friendship but with great cost obviously meaning their families from their parents and older siblings did not survive and the sinking of the Titanic brings the two cousins relationship more closer and helps them reconcile and everyone who died on the Titanic plays a part in the cousins story from Captain Smith Bruce Ismay Thomas Andrews Benjamin Gutinhiem and his Italian butler and his mistress and John Jacob Aster and Maddlin Aster and Molly Brown Mr and Miss Strous and Wallace Hartley and the rest of the band even Officer Moody and Wild and Murdoch and Lightoller.
That's awesome. I hope it gets published and to be one of the readers...even reviewers!
@@ManWhoLovesTheMary the story is called Don't Lose The Light and I hope I get it published and I hope you read it to when it is finished.
And if you want to make a video about it or just talk about it in a upcoming video feel free.
However I am having a conflict with Murdoch right now remember how he committed suicide after shooting someone else in James Cameron version I was planning to have him do the same thing in my story 😢 but unlike Cameron version Murdoch suicide plays a part in the cousins story but I found out that Cameron offended Murdoch descendents his community 😢 and he had to fly to Scotland and apologizes to Murdoch Family and his community 😢 and he even payed them to because they were going to Sue him or Cameron was afraid they would and as for Ismay I do not know where to begin because I just found out he may not have made the ship sail through the ocean to fast so I am confused.
My man, how do you jot have more subscribers...
You have a great channel!!!
The very sad part about the Nazi Titanic Film is: The Cap Arcona was sunk carrying 7000 KZ inmitates, and 6400 of them died on the ship and in the aftermath of the sinking.
Her and the Wilhelm Gustloff had such tragic and malicious/mistaken endings. And their Nazi reputations doesn't help, either. Makes it hard to appreciate the ships themselves. They need their own Night to Remember to humanize their stories...to whatever degree is reputably possible (considering their affiliations) and..can be done. There are at least a few quality documentaries about the Wilhelm Gustloff.
@@ManWhoLovesTheMaryThe biggest difference between the two is that Cap Arcona’s casualties were also Holocaust victims, while Wilhelm Gustloff was, well, a “nazi barge.”
by the way the 1953 and 58 one is my FAVOURITE!!
Fun Fact! 2012 titanic was actually made for the 100th anniversiry for Titanic
SOS Titanic is my favorite and I was disappointed because I was waiting for that one to be mentioned😢
Some Titanic survivors are still alive. They reincarnated. I'd love to see James Cam do an interview with them.
What are you trying to say by that?
Ill de france was used in the 1960 film the last voyage, film didnt doo well but it did at least preserve the ship
The clothes they wore back then were so beautiful.
Fun fact, Edmund Purdom who played Lightoller in Titanic 1953 went on to voice the cat in the infamous Titanic animated movie - Titanic: The Legend Goes On………….yep
What a come down.
oh hi M aka judy dench
What about SOS Titanic?No honourable mention?
I know!!! I'm learning more and more what an impact that movie made on people. And dare I confess, I didn't even watch SOS Titanic in preparation for the video. But I'm going to make sure to check it out. The shots I've seen of it look really good.
What was that movie where those Medieval guys dressed up in construction uniforms pass the Queen Elizabeth?
“The Mouse That Roared” (1959) with Peter Sellers 😊
Gotta love Judi Dench x
What about "S.O.S. TITANIC"?
I’ve been asked that by several commenters. There were already so many movies to cover. Maybe I’ll save it for its own video altogether. Yes. That’s what I’ll do! I feel like it doesn’t get talked about much as it is. Like it no doubt should.
Awesome video bud. I didn't know there was so much to learn about Titanic. I kind of want to check out the 1996 movie now lol. But I'm a little scared to see the Nazi movie. And I wasn't expecting to see Ryan George. And I remember the Backstreet Boys :D
A NIGHT TO REMEMBER BARR THE BREAK UP !
I rather like the 1953 Titanic. Same amount of sappy romance as 1997, but at half the length. And I started weeping over Mr and Mrs Strauss. Walter Lord has an acknowledgment in his book for a researcher at 20th Century-Fox.
What about Ghosts of the Abyss and Titanic 666?😂
I would love to do a deep-dive (pun intended if I ever achieve the $200,000-something to get the privilege to see the wreck in-person) on Ghosts of the Abyss. I was blessed to get to see the documentary in theaters in 3D when it came out and it was an incredible experience! And I actually saw a review for Titanic 666 (eyes wide with so many emotions at the same time) and kinda thought about the possibility of reviewing it sometime during the Halloween season, especially since they filmed a lot of scenes aboard the Queen Mary. Such a wild, hear-me-out "film" that is as bad as it is luring (not to be confused with alluring, of course).
Call me a neo Nazi but I love the 1943 film
I have several friends who were thrown into an existential crisis because they genuinely liked the 1943 version.
Trwust bro that 1996 film ant no hidden gem
Sorry that was not the BERENGARIA it was the AQUITANIA
14:18, 'shoutout' and 15:00 'how much alike they are,' and 19:58 'how much Cameron took.'
Cameron basically pieced his film together from bits he saw in other films. Not just from the 1958 ANTR but also from the 1943 (as you yourself noted at 10:51), 1953, 1979 SOS Titanic and 1980s Raise the Titanic films as well. Another term you might have used was 'callbacks.'
But honestly just how much are these a way of tipping a hat to earlier films versus just plain ripping off other people's work? Obvious Cameron couldn’t be bothered to think of an orginal idea himself.
A good effort at comparing the movies.
1943 - propaganda with some interesting scenes.
1953 - meh
1958 - A Night to Remember - still the iconic Titanic movie.
1996 - Series - Titanic for Dummies. Way too much repetition, with way too many fictional characters. Drawn out to fill several nights.
1997- Cameron put in a lot of effort, but was to much in love with love. You can literally start the movie just before the ship hits the iceberg and have a good idea of what may have happened.
Imagine Christopher Nolan doing a Titanic movie.
I love the 1997 Movies music but I might skip to the sinking part. A night to Remember is in my view, the best one, Going back in time, the German NAZI one is fantastic and eerie when you research more about that WW2 movie. In Night and Ice is great too because your so near the time of the sinking, it feels like your going back in time. The 1929 Movie as well I really enjoy. Great video btw!! Well made!
oh, and another one was SoS Titanic from 1979.... quite good but the final moments of the sinking isnt good.
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Titanic 1997: a lot of sentimental over-acted American Hollywood tosh superimposed over the disaster. Di Caprio, A pretty boy running around out of time (no Edwardian would have behaved like this) and Winslet in full 1990s Prima Donna mode. None of this drivel is saved by the special effects. A Night to Remember light years better. Very British, but accurately British and the emphasis where it should be on the ship, the passengers and crew with no need for a silly, contrived, far-fetched, over-egged romance.
marktaggart8670, I agree with you. A Night To Remember is much more historically accurate than Cameron's Titanic film. None of the real unmarried 1st class women passengers aboard the Titanic would have had any interest in starting a relationship with a poor guy in steerage. Cameron's fictional character Rose was based on a woman named Beatrice Wood who was alive in 1912 but she had nothing to do with the Titanic because she was not aboard the Titanic.She was still alive when Cameron was filming Titanic in 1996-1997 but she passed away in 1998.
I love A Night To Remember better than the 1997 one. I’m not into romance movies really, being close to the reality seemed to be spot on with A Night To Remember.
Every American movies, documentaries or commentaries have to censor or downplay "SS Californian". Lol.
Which is sad, because the Californian makes the storyline that much more compelling. Though Cameron would have included more about her if those scenes didn't get cut out, as it were :(
The German film Titanic like the the James Cameron film of the same name emphasize the hidden agenda of Bruce Ismay. Up to 1,000 films were made in Germany in the 12 years ending in 1945. Only 3 were anti-Jewish. One about financial speculation relating to the Battle of Waterloo is clever and subtle and factually based, a second film about a Jewish court official in 1738 Stuttgart deals with his frauds and subsequent punishment and the third film is propaganda, but correctly identifies powerful Jews in named countries. Each of these films was made in 1940.
Almost every other film dealt with normal topics filmed and there were good actors and actresses. Film directors carried on until 1963, when several film studios went bankrupt. When I lived in Germany, 1967 to 1970, practically no German films were made at all.
Rainer Fassbinder made films, 1975 until his death in 1982 of a drug overdose at the age of 37. His films are dreary and humorless and all his characters are misfits. How films gave been since, I do not know, but with the guilt feelings all Germans must have since 1945, they are probably similar to Fassbinder.
Fassbinder’s penultimate film, “Veronika Voss,” was inspired by the tragic final years of Sybille Schmitz, who starred in the 1943 “Titanic” film.
Why must a German film be bad.
I think he meant he just assumed it would be bad because it was a nazi propaganda film, but was surprised to find that objectively it’s a good movie on its own. This occurred with many people who watched the 1943 version expecting the worst.
@@giovannirastrelli9821 The German film is cynical but clever.
A suggestion: Please, don't spend 7 minutes on the intro.
Well the intro was only like 2 minutes long. The first portion was a review of the first two movies and after the main intro was information about how to be sensitive about a sensitive topic using Judi Dench in Philomena as an example. This is a video essay and in video essays, the intro is more than hey guys this is my video and this is what I'm talkin gabout in my video. No offense bud. I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just trying to show a different side. God bless man.