RC Wingsuit - Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2018
- Will this fly like a... well a human? or drop like a rock? Either way, it'll be interesting to see! Stay tuned for next weeks video where I build the parachute and a new drone to drop it from!
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I thought I was the ONLY person that had one of these!! LOL
I built mine 6 years ago, it's a great way for kids to learn flight without the prop dangers.
I used a batman stuffed toy for my diver and 2 9g metal gear servos. 2s 300mah lipo.
CG just below the divers neck. Instead of a parachute I used Halloween batwings from a costume store, they deploy with the flaperon switch.
It's a sweet bank and yank flyer, and best thing is it could nail you in the face from the sky and its completely painless lol.
Interesting for sure! I'm a skydiver, wingsuiter, and wingsuit instructor with ~1500 jumps. Happy to help you figure some of this out. Currently, you're missing a key input on the tail, but for your purpose you may not need it. One thing to think about for your parachute -- what way is the model flying and what is the parachute going to do when the servo opens the parachute? With enough forward speed, the parachute will likely snag the bit that goes under the servo horn as the parachute moves towards the feet and not directly towards the sky.
Nikko Mamallo I can't find the flight video so I'm assuming it didn't work out too well 😂
1500 jumps , WOW
Cool
Hey Tom, so you can smooth out those rough surfaces by using acetone. Yup, it's that simple. :)
You place the model on a "stand" of some sort, inside a dinner plate or what ever. Then you take tissue towel and soak it in the acetone, put it in the bottom of a vase (make sure to wedge it so it doesn't slide down onto the model) and then you place the vase (upside down) over the model. And pour some water in the bowl or plate to stop any fumes from escaping.
And voila! You will have a smooth model. Just be sure to keep an eye on it, I think it only takes like 30 minutes to 2 hours to do, so don't walk away from it once you've started. :)
Since it's not aerofoil shaped, this is more like an old-school bat suit than a wingsuit. I'm a professional wingsuiter and would love to answer any questions. The planform you chose is more like a beginner's suit and will have far less lift than the more advanced planforms that have a lot more wing surface area.
If you want to turn the sanded plastic back to it's original color, just take a torch to it from a distance and slowly warm the surface till the white re-assimilates. You could do it with a lighter too, you just have to be more strategic not to burn yourself or your piece.
Derek Troberg - almost the same tech as flame polishing....
I love this kid, he makes our entire species better. Best of TH-cam. Bob Ross loves you.
You could build an air balloon to lift it, 2 air crafts in one project ;D. I really like the different air crafts you build, it differs from all the drone videos! Keep up the good work!
They also cup their arms as well. They point their toes down/back, completely extended. Legs bent at knee for “elevator” but it’s really a combo of upper and lower body movements and shape.
You seriously have to keep going with the hovering rocket project. There is nothing like that project in youtube, and it is A W E S O M E
I think this is a great idea but sadly I don't think it'll work in its current form - for full control you'll also need to bring the hips and legs into play. You've got the right idea for roll control with the arms though. To turn right you'd either drop the right shoulder or straighten the left leg more than the right (or do both for tight turn), turn left do the opposite. To go forward faster your straighten the legs at the knees, slowdown or backslide bend the knees. Stability in flight comes from the fabric between the arms curving higher than the body CofG and acts like a shuttlecock - heaviest bit at the bottom. Hope this helps a bit, and looking forward to Pt2 regardless of whether it'll work or not :)
wow, I absolutly love your video's this is amazing!
Fascinating video and concept. I really hope this works out. I do think there are two or three "control" elements missing from this design.
For more accurate replication of wing-suit flight you would need to consider
- controllable "Shoulders" (to allow you to independently tuck either arm in close to the body to more effectively control roll, and to tuck them in simultaneously to control pitch an airspeed)
- controllable "elbows" (for fine pitch and some yaw control)
- controllable "hips"
- controllable "knees"
Of course a wing-suit is far more difficult to accurately replicate in RC as this form of flight is controlled far more like that of a bird or other flying animal which means that every bone and muscle is used to finely control some aspect of the flight. Even the head!
I love this project. All the best
I'm always floored by how much you do in a week! I think wingsuit people use their "tail" as a control surface.
That sure looks great. Though I think it will glide... fall really fast and would be hard to control.
You could launch that with a catapult. Will probably be more convenient than attaching it to another vehicle someone has to control.
What I was thinking about for a while is a wingsuit made of carbon tubes and a "space blanket". Can make it really lightweight, which, in theory, would mean slower flying, more controlability and flight time. At cost of really bad wind penetration.
Cool video! You may know this, but you can put a dab of hot glue on the voltage regulator before heat shrinking. So it will not changes voltage on you, after crashing a bunch. Can't wait to see it fly!
Thats gonna be BANANAS if it even comes close to working!
As a skydiver I think this is so cool. You could take it to a skydiving center and tell them to drop it from about 300mts. Best of luck.
I've had an idea for a future build challenge. I thought designing a craft for self sustained flight with out using propellers, fans, rockets, or any conventional means would be fun. This would leave open ideas like flapping wings, Da Vinci's airscrew, thermal lift, and anything else you can think of. The vehicle should have some means of moderately quick forward movement and control (eliminating hot air balloons) and be able to maintain flight for at least a couple of minutes. If your up for a challenge maybe consider an upscaled rc honey bee that shows why the don't actually break the laws of physics. It sounds like a proper pain but that's what makes it fun.
This is impressive. Really cool. Scaling aerodynamics is REALLY hard, and the acute and very mixed control of wing suits is, from what I understand, really really complicated and would take some serious actuators and surface bending/billowing to replicate with any accuracy. I don't think any computer TX could replicate accurately the intricacies of what a human brain and a few hundred muscles can figure out to steer a suit, not to mention the sensors that humans come standard with (touch,joint position, wind on face, force on arms,legs, etc) but, If accuracy/scale is the goal, you did exactly what I would have recommended for a 2-servo ship. I can't wait to see you fly it!
Love the idea of an RC wingsuit. Next you should make a ridged airship
The fabric works exactly like a ram air parachute. Also the roll axis is done by actually twisting your body. Using your own torque.
Nice project. This parachute raiders with an FPV system will be a new rc sector.
Well, you don't see anyone else as dedicated to engineering one of these from scratch on TH-cam. Well done Tom! Cheers!
Awesome, looking forward to seeing the flight testing!
Can't wait to see how this thing flies!
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You need a 25mW vtx/cam combo for the front and you can fly it FPV! Awesome project.
I believe the white is from microfractures, a hot air gun should fix that because it'll remelt the surface material and it'll turn blue again.
to get rid of the white on the 3d print use a heat gun, it will melt the little micro fractures back together
It also helps to sand the PLA under running water
roll control:
if the diver pulls their right arm in, they lose wind resistance on their right which causes them to bank right.
Your implementation of moving the arm back should also work but keep in mind that humans arms cannt rotate back quite like or as much as your model.
Always looking forward to your videos, thumbs up!👍👍
You can control both arms with one servo then use the other to change the angle between the legs and body, is tricky though because the whole body is used to control the flight, for example your hands can control direction, it's a very complex thing you're trying to replicate, you'll obviously simplify things though, I'm sure you can do it tom, i have faith in you, it'll be interesting to see how you do this. Cool idea.
Someday i really want to go wingsuiting. Probably the closest we can get to actually flying so i feel like that would be really awesome. Ive always wanted to be able to fly somehow so yeah.
Awesome build! Thank you for the detailed video :)
Looking forward to see its behaviour.
Well! This is just remarkable awesome! 👍🏻 what a great creative content tribute you are!!
You need legs to control roll/yaw, just like a skydiver would!
that's the coolest build this year very original can't wait for the next vid
This has been a inspiration for me to build a scale plane, and the plane flies
Just found your channel. Where has it been all my life!? Amazing work, keep it up!
You're freakin' awesome Tom. Can't wait to see part two!
Genious mate. You know you have to FPV the head right 😉
You always make interesting stuff!
Another ingenious creation. Lovely videos Tom! Great show off of your quick maths right there!
I love your videos as well. Especially the bicopter
Dude 3D printz must’ve given you like 1 roll of pla to deserve that 6 second shoutout
This is the coolest thing ever!! Can’t wait to see it fly!
Great Design, I watch your videos in amazement, every time!
Very imaginative, good skills. Maybe add a small spring to chute release arm?
Very clever design and very neat construction, Tom,congrats. As a wingsuit BASE jumper and RC flyer I'm really anxious to see the results. When we fly a wingsuit the geometry is constantly changing depending on what we want to do. This is extremely difficult to model in a rigid design as even small shoulder, arms, legs torso, etc adjustments can make a huge difference in the flight path. Good luck with your project and let me know if I can help you with any info.
So interesting, I look forward to the following video
Just when i think you cant build anything better then the last vid 😁👊✌
Love your channel and your prints!
Cool Idea. Pumpt to see how it works in the air.
In all honesty, I'd be surprised if that worked, but even more awesome!
You are a smart man. I like your ideas!
this is going to be incredible! i hope it works :)
Wingsuit requires surprisingly little input. It's pretty much just the movements of the head and shoulders for most maneuvers.
I would definitely thin the walls as much as possible and a pivot at the hip area would be advantageous the more weight you can cut from this the better.....you could remove the webbing areas from the print and leave some kind of attachment area for the nylon
You totally rock at explaining stuff (and 3D printing)
Legs should be independent for roll and pitch control as per a birds tail and wingsuit.
Mix it as elevons tied in with arms as ailerons.
Then construct from carbon fibre and use ripstop for wing surface. Maybe double skin it for a proper ram air aerofoil.
Put it in an acetone Vapor chamber to help smooth the surfaces. You can also just use a sprayer or even a paintbrush and apply a small amount of acetone directly to the surface and it will give you a smoother cleaner finish on your 3D print. Other chemicals work as well such as lacquer thinner and xylene. If you're going to put it in the vapor chamber make sure and take all your electronics off first
Kcburn He mentioned that it's printed in PLA
whats the point its gonna smush into a thousand pieces anyway
He was commenting that it had a rough finish. PLA melt in acetone. Surrounding the pieces in acetone Vapor will melt just the surface enough to create a smooth finish
Kcburn Yeah, that works well with lots of plastics, but not PLA: th-cam.com/video/VZUfq0yrtv4/w-d-xo.html
Quick heat gun treatment for the white from sanding. Get it right back to original color quickly. Wouldn’t go as far as trying to smooth it that way tho
I have been waiting for someone to make one of these forever, Thanks! :)
My understanding was that the bulk of the control comes from the legs. Ie Bank and yank. This could be done reasonably well with two servos to get a *similar* motion: both legs together for elevator. Rotate hips, and use elevator to get the rudder. This way you don't need a flexible material between the legs. My understanding is that bringing the arms in/or creating dihedral is to loose altitude quickly, or stablise quickly when precision is needed. Now these are all theories from watching too many videos of people going out for real. I could be wrong about any or all parts. I hope this helps.
"Now" -> "note"
Good luck, you're going to need it. How do you expect to keep sight of it at the crazy speeds it it going to require? Finding a ridge with some strong wind is your only chance without FPV, and it still probably won't work. What about an elevator? That is the most important control surface, I believe they use their knees in real life.
Great project Tom, can't wait to see the results.
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DUDE!! That's awesome :-) I have a RC Skydiver, but I never thought of making a RC Wingsuiter, that's too cool. looking forward to seeing it fly. PS I contacted one of my friends who builds his own wingsuits and asked him to help you along with tips/help. I'm not yet versed in wingsuiting as I am only taking the wingsuit course this summer.
The sanded surface finish can be improved by adding a thin layer of olive oil, after sanding.
I get pretty exited every time you upload a video and you upload a lot
I think that the size vs the weight is going to make this glide like a brick, unless you can get going around 70mph. If you made it about 5 times the size it would work better.
BTW the bicopter was pure genius. You should sell a kit!
From my (very limited understanding) you need legs controll - pushing your hips and legs forward and torso backward while having arms wide spread acts like a break/elevator, decreasing the speed while at the same time redirects the air flow giving jumper the ability to gain altitude (basically allowing to go higher/lower, gliding or stalling, allowing controll over how much air is going beneath the surface and above, and whole that aerodynamics things about lift and air pressure :P) - if enough speed was built up before the manouver. Slight movement in hips/legs improves the controll in turns. Closing and opening arms will determine how much surface is there to catch the air, so if you'll drop it perfectly flat - will it glide or will it dive-head down, but you need the control of body curvature to control the glide vs air tension. (which on such a small thing i'm guessing is going to be hell to observe and interact with, expect A LOT of failures, as there's no way to literally feel what's going on while in air). Also, if this works... sh*t mate i need to get that. I got into FPV as a cheaper and safer alternative for proximity wingsuits :D Also, If you dig wingsuits there's a pretty nice game (canceled early access - no longer in development, but still very well made and worthy to check out) called Volo Airsport, which is actually physics based wingsuit/parachute simulator, yes, i know, it's a game, still might shed some insights onto this.
That Is so cool. This is something that I just hade to see.
Looking great already! Great work!
You should have a fpv camera on it so that you can see where the rc wingsuit is flying.
and a roll stabilizer atleast
I saw a video where you put your printed pieces in a closed boxe or jar and put some acetone in it. ( acetone should not touche the plastic) A small fan helps the process. The acetone vapors smooths out the printed part. You can experiment with that for the proper duration of the process. Hope that can help!
Great project, looking forward to seeing the drop :D
Looking forward to the test flying day! Awsome idea!
Can‘t wait to see it flying. Btw, are you going to continue the hovering rocket model? :)
Love that you (like I) use Spektrum!
I would test the aerodynamics by hanging it from the ceiling and only dropping it two meters. I thing with a slow motion camera one could get a good grasp of the movements without wrecking it. Just in case the parachute fails.
Hey man good luck. I hope this works after all the effort you put in. Thanks
Loving the part 1 and part 2 stuff mate. Gets more info into the builds and gets double the views for your channel. If it helps a creator make more support then it's a good thing.
Interesting project! Can’t wait to see this guy in action!!
you should build a huge slingshot to shoot it with. also use a fan for the solder fumes ;)
You could use a big ballon designed to pop at a certain altitude. Maybe use another servo to cut the string if thats not possible.
That is an awesome concept! I haven't seen anyone do this yet.
My prediction is that it is much too heavy and will just fall like a rock. I suggest maybe 3D printing the frame with no infill and then using an airplane coating like Ultracote or some other film.
You should say squirrel more, I love it
kwik maffs
if you are gonna build your lifter drone, maybe an f550? relatively cheap, can autopilot nicely with a naza or pixhawk, and should have no real trouble lifting your wingsuit model :-)
great idea but maybe you like to make the legs into an elevator?
How To DIY Rc what?
He's Saying make the legs control the height instead of them being a solid piece.
And another thought I immediately had would be to allow them to pivot like hips do, to act somewhat like a rudder.
My prediction however is, this thing is more than likely going to fall like a stone.
The legs do pivot at the hips. Did you watch the video?
yeh but I don't think they're controlled by a servo.
What cad software are you using for your 3d prints?
Awesome. I would think that for roll on real life they probably pull one arm in and the other out. But in your model the webbing is rigid. But maybe your strategy of tilting them will work, let's see.
Simple water wash will remove the white dust on the blue sanded wings.
You could combine this with the hovering SpaceX rocket to make a 3d printed RC Felix Baumgartner. 1:6 scale edge of space is only 17km altitude :)
Interesting build. Have you considered 3D printing L brackets to side mount a servo instead of cutting the ears off? Seems heavy for the wing area. Control setup looks good.
For onboard power - in most cases just a single Li cell w\o any converters works just fine.
Pretty damn awesome! Can’t wait to see it fly, errrrrr, i mean fall with style!
Nice project! If it works I can easily see the RC wingsuit as a toy for the mass market.
Brilliant I can't wait till the next one
YES !
That was something missing in the hobby!
I’m predicting this thing to fly about as good as a rock.