Episode 34: Te Rauparaha-'The Battle for Kawhia'
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2021
- It is the summer of 1820. The Waikato tribes have decided to get rid of Te Rauparaha, he has been a continual annoyance for many years and cannot be trusted....they have had enough!.
Te Rauparaha's rohe is around the Kawhia harbour. This episode covers the preparations for battle and ends on the battle field of Te Kakara.
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Nice . Been hanging out for some new episodes. Thank you!
Found this very interesting. Thank you for all the effort you are putting into these.
You wanna know anything on Te Rauparaha Mr ..NAu Mai ki OTAKi you say he never knew when a attack was coming lol.... Theres reason why everyone use to try sneak on him with Paranoia attacks except the number 1 event case in particular where he chose to trust and honor..and not have his eyes watching for him taking his family with him alone with him into bush where are Pa once was without any Toa or ope so with a peacefull welcome of nearby tribe ...( ) ...this took place at lake papatonga where agreements were made gifts were exchanged his most prized Waka given over as gift as peaceful chester and negotiations were arranged but during the night after big greeting a sit-down and well fed sleeping away through the night his Family was slaughtered wife and child well they slept narrowly escaped heading back to Otaki screaming in Rage and yelling to never vow to anyone elses honor after that the rest was history he saw nothing but red this sadness and rage caused a powerful group to emerge because... He knew everystep that was coming across his path he had many eyes guarding him NEi au TE Uri o Waitohi Te Mana O to Topiora manatoa Mana motuhake......Ko Manu tawhiaorangi ko Hoturoa TE Tangata Raukawa!!! NEi Ra Whiti Whiti aa..Whiti TE Ra Maiotaki... ki ki ki ka ka ka..
Check out episodes 42, 43 and 49 that have Te Rauparaha involved in them. He was a wirely ole fox for sure!
Thank you sir, a great watch. Te rauparaha was a hearty as dude thats for sure.
i am a cypriot kiwi but maori have a facinatiating history
Just wanted to say thanks. Your presentation style is clear and concise. Your knowledge of events excellent and your narrative honest and revealing. Thank you.
love your work mate worries about the haters at least your taking time and have an interest
Thank you Kiwi Codger that was great
such an awesome video
You are awesome.
Yet another great history lesson brought more alive by the availability of modern media. Credit for the aerial view map is given to Google Earth (and rightly so) and it shows the land as it is today. It is many years since I travelled over that area of the west coast but still have memories of its ruggedness. It is a pity Google was not around at the time of the battle as it would have given a more graphic display of the dense bush/forests prevailing at that time through which the runners and warriors had to navigate. They must have been superbly fit. In addition, the attacking forces must have been very well organised to ensure ongoing supplies of food and other logistical requirements over that rugged terrain.
Hi Onslow, the Kawhia area is definitely off the beaten track but a gorgeous area. It is difficult to imagine the native bush that covered NZ and the millions of acres of swamp land. Interestingly many Maori tracks go over the highest summits so that they could spy out the whole land and get their bearings.
As written in Captain Cruises account of his time in NZ in 1820, there were no fat Maori, infact Maori used to snigger at the portly Europeans they came across. Life was tough and they toughened up to live it, they were very fit and would think nothing of visiting for a few hours, relatives 10 kilometers away.
Attacking forces would take slaves who would carry supplies. Armies would forage off enemy supplies and eat those they encountered, or their slaves if thing got tight.
@@kiwicodger Kia ora from me. I see some of the nasty comments that are thrown at you too. It can be challenging for some when an apparent pakeha tells them things about themselves that they don't know, or information that is different from what they may believe. Facts do make a difference and I am enjoying seeing your portrayals of history that I have read about. I love the Maori axiom that reflects the truth that "E kore te paru e mau tonu ana ki te rino" (Crap thrown at us will not stay stuck if we live in the light of the sun, and our hearts are steel.) Kia kaha tatou katoa! :)
@@justinsmith143 The problem is we have only very rough facts handed down from oral history, then usually recorded by interested Europeans, the truth has long faded. It's a matter of reading as many sources as possible then trying to figure out the most likeliest scenario, that why visiting sites and getting a spatial awareness helps.
As for the nasty comments, I either ignore them or try and engage. Have had some surprising exchanges.
If this wasn't done by an apparent Pakeha, but by a Maori, then you would get the intertribal warfare all over again in the comment section,,,,,ha!
@@kiwicodger Tena ra koe e kara. I often am at the receiving end of some Maori feeling "challenged" by a pakeha who may know more about their ancestors than they do. Like you I reflect on what is real, and usually try to engage communication -which is the bridge that bring mutual understanding and respect as we all go forward. As a Maori speaking Pakeha I feel loved and appreciated by the old people, but I am frequently blamed by some of the new generation for "pakeha colonisation". As I keep studying the details of the Musket Wars, and the consequences of "Maori colonising other Maori", and then relate the dynamics to why Ngai Maori departed the Tuamotu and other Islands to come here, I am left with a feeling that all our ancestors were "once Warriors and Colonisers" . Mauri ora ki a tatou katoa! :) :)
@@justinsmith143 Because Pakeha, in general, don't know the history of NZ, the Maori narrative is accepted as gospel, when someone questions it, it is not appreciated...let's just keep plugging away.
Well sourced and presented. I also notice the effort with your pronounciation.
Good on you for showing interest in our history. That's more effort shown than most pakehas. And I am ashamed of some of the Maori in this comment section shaming you instead of educating you. I can hear you are making an effort with your pronunciation.
Don't be ashamed, everyone is allowed their opinion. Am getting better at pronunciations thanks to Justin Smith, a great guy!
Thank you! Be Strong and tell the Truth. Do not be bullied! We must not be scared to say what we think!
Ahhh the truth... what is that now after 200 years? I try and scan many accounts, visit the area then tell the most probable version of events, but for the truth... that began evapourating within minutes of the event finishing :)
Bullying? I'd sure like to see? People cant be upset if they disagree with a narrative? People have a right to challenge a narrative . Making threats of violence isnt on. Lets not get the two things mixed up.
@@kiwicodger what was the upload?
Food for thought..from 1 generation to 8 generations you decend from 256 Anestors.
Indeed food for thought...we are all, in some small way related, scary thought eh :)
Awesome account.
Kapai wetahi o na korero paike o na rangatira korero mo te rangatira te rauparaha
Ooh my ancestors ngati Hikairo
Thank you this is so interesting he is my great great great Grandad and I don’t know much on my whakapapa so it’s great to know more
Glad you enjoyed it
hes mine also
Ngati Huia Otaki think they on fb.
Good to hear some info on what happened at Waikawau Pa... my father and his immediate family used to camp there (adjacent to the tunnel through to the beach) starting prior to WW2. I first stayed there in 1964 as a 2 year old and have visited a few times since. I've never come across any information about the history of the place until now. Also wondering, do you or one of your subscribers have any knowledge or information on the skeletons on the beach at Nukuhakere bay? Laid out in rows and all of above average height, suggesting a shipwreck? They are covered by sand dunes and only rarely uncovered by weather.
Interesting part of the country and your recollections are fascinating. Alas I have no info on those skeletons.
@malcolmreed9901: Kia ora Malcolm, my apologies for such a late reply. I can share information with you about the entire area between Nukuhakari and Waikawau which make up my familys ancestral lands which remain in my familys possession to the present time. I know of the skeletons you speak of also. If you're interested, let me know, I'd be happy to share with you what we know about the place. Cheers.
@@user-wt4ie6iu6p Yes please - getting more info would be fantastic! The skeletons story is a bit of a legend in my family so getting any additional snippets of info would be great. I always treated it as a bit of a tall story...(my father had heard it apparently from a guy in the Awakino pub!) - until one day I mentioned it to a co-worker when I was working for the Museum of NZ project (Te Papa) - she was a museum consultant who had studied at the University of Waikato - and knew all about them!! cheers. p.s. Your family comes from one the most beautiful and historic places in the north island...
Amazing Maori history
And sad in someways for such a Majestic area and today if you minus all the colonial farming that has desolmated the once pristine inlets estuaries and harbour
Can only imagine the beauty of this area
Te rauparaha must have been bitter to have lost such a plentiful spot
Most of the farms in the area are under private Maori ownership. Not Ngati Toa of course but the Waikato and Maniapoto tribes that conquered the area. It was really only when NZ Steel started their mining operations there that the area opened up to modern amenities.
I use to play around Te Maika Pa as a child at my familys Bach there. But as a kid, I never had the interest in history as I do now....if only I did...
Wow, what a great place to be brought up!
Kia Ora Codger, at 2:50 you discuss the various rohe of the iwi involved. Are the rohe outlined in Pei Te Hurunui's work "King Potatau" ? or was that info drawn from elsewhere ? Thanks
I believe its from Pei's book, however that book I get from the library, which I don't have at the moment....
@@kiwicodger I have a copy of the book now and it is in there. Thanks for your help and the stories you are bringing to light
@@teakausouth6662 I thought so, I had recollections of some of Pei's pages having the diagrams. Of course it changed after Te Rauparaha's migration, I believe Ngati Mahuta now have most of his lands around Taharoa.
huh, Ngati Hikairo is in Otukou
Kiaora I descend from Ngati Mahuta znd also Ngati Ngaho
Nga tai e rua.
I'm off to have a kawakawa tea and gingernut biscuits🙄
Tou waimaietanga e Beejay. Kaingia au kai. I nga ra o mua, mai i tau whakaititanga o tetahi atu ehara ko te kapu tii me pihikete au kai. E kao. Ko tou upoko te kai a kohua kee. Kia mataara tatou! :) :)
My uncle Jack was a descendent of Rangihaeata, and also James Coffee of Wharekauri fame. My cousins, of course are descendants too.
Are these from the book He Pukapuka Tataku I Nga Mahi a Te Rauparaha Nui?
My references for the series on Te Rauparaha and Kawhia was mainly from Pei Te Hurunui's book ' King Pōtattau'. He is of Maniapoto descent so has a bias towards Te Wherowhero. Other references were from the Journal of Polynesian Society which are mainly by Percy Smith.
@@kiwicodger Percy Smith is garbage. Same as Elsdon Best
I do enjoy how you open your mouth and reveal the extent of your own ignorance@@heminuiraho879. It is easy in your ignorance to try to dismiss others who know things that you do not. In your trying to dismiss valuable recordings of knowledge and whakapapa, that Percy Smith and Elsdon Best recorded, you actually dismiss matauranga Maori and mana passed on and recorded by your own tipuna. Where else in your life does the garbage in your own head blind you from seeing truths? :)
@@heminuiraho879 more like James lil Laho
How are you able to see the names of pa on Google earth?
Google Earth doesn't have Pā names on it. You have to go to Topomaps, www.topomap.co.nz/,
They have Pā marked on them, and a minority have the actual name of the Pā next to them. Cheers
@@kiwicodger thank you
I see what your question really is. I put the names on Google Earth with a pin. They are not naturally there.
Be a bit careful with the Topos. Sometimes they are other places of note. Rather than Pah.
Raukawa?
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His mum was from the Ngati Huia hapu beneath the foothills if the Maungatautari range within the Raukawa rohe
Maniapoto are not Waikato
Kawhia is in Maniapoto domain or Te Rohe Potai
Waikato has its own Manawhenua
You are right, a strong alliance has existed between Waikato and Maniapoto, they are from the same canoe, and have invariably fought on the same side. Mind you Ngati Toarangitira also trace back to the Tainui canoe...
Ko Tainui Te Waka
It's not pharoah pharoah sir it's whero-whero please roll your rs like pheehddo pheehddo r sounds like dd
Thanks Beejay for that constructive contribution. Wherowhero is a real challenge for us pakeha trying to pronounce Maori correctly. "FedoFedo" is a closer approximation to such a great rangatira, but even that suggestion will attract criticism. It is a challenge when we try to pronounce what is written in pakeha letters. I informed Kiwi Codger of the same concern. His attitude was awesome. I asked him who was helping him on his Te Reo journey. He said that no one was. Offering support to each other is powerful as we go forward. Nga mihi!
@@justinsmith143 kia ora ehoa I am very proud of you for taking your time Into learning te reo. I am of Tuhoe Ngatiawa descent which we have different dialect also some areas have different ways of pronounciation. But I still am learning of historical events which was horrible. 🙏Acknowledgements to you
Tehna koe @@dixonbeejay. If you get to the Tuamotu Islands beyond the Tahitian Islands you will here the dialects of Mataatua and Tuhoe spoken there in the Tapuhoe Islands. "Turou Havaiiki!"
@@justinsmith143 kia ora koe e Justin kei te mihi atu kia ia 🙏♥️Arohanui kia koe :) :)
Most da fullas moaning bout da way dis fulla pronounces Maori words probably pronounce English words like dis aye ow g 🤦🤣
Lol...you will find my Te Reo pronunciation has improved in my more recent videos, thanks to Justin Smith...😜
E hoa, Pei Te Hurinui does not have a bias because he is Ngati Maniapoto. People if you want a good account of the history of Kawhia, one of the best is in fact Pei Te Hurinui. Kiwi Codger go tell your own history, you can't even pronounce Maori words properly. Even better learn the Maori language, that is the vehicle to give you wider view of Te Ao Maori, told by Maori. Kiaora.
We all have biases towards our own, it's what makes us human and has helped with our line making it this far. The concept of Maori did not exist during the Musket Wars, it was all Canoe/Iwi/Hapu. It was only the introduction of Europeans that caused the various divisions in maoridom to be rather thinnly papared over. Nga mihi.
Excuse me sir could you please speak properly I recommend if your going to pronounce Maori words I would suggest that you speak correctly I find the way you speak is insulting to me and my ancestors potatou te wherowhero is my ancestor..by the way loving the story well done just one little critique please be mindful of pronounciations thankyou 👍
Tena koe Beejay. We can all learn from each other. I agree with the need for us all to learn to speak te reo Maori correctly. I trust that in that same spirit that you are OK that convern is expressed that you do not use capital letters when referring to such a great and esteemed Maori rangatira when writing in English. Writing Te Arikinui Potatau Te Wherowhero in lower case letters, as you have, can also be deemed to be "insulting" and diminishing of his rightful mana. Kia kaha ai tatou te tuku whaiwhakaaro tatou ki a tatou. Paimarire!
I truly do not like how pakeha are so lazy in the pronounciation of our kupu, yet they've been in Aotearoa for a long time to take up the learning of our words properly and also iv never followed the history of tauiwi, I follow our kaumatua and their history
Is there a particular Maori word that grated?
Most of the references I use were written dow by Pakeha ethnologists who got it from the Kaumatua of the day or people who had been involved in the actual event.
The story reaching Kaumatua today has gone through 4-8 tellings....man, its purity now has to be suspect, especially with modern day post modernism's re-writing of history.
And some of us do not like how Maori are apparently so "lazy" that they choose to criticise others in a language that honours those they are criticising ...and does not give mana to their own kaumatua. It is incredible that they even miss out on recognising an intertwined history that each has also benefitted from. Me ako tatou ia ra, ia ra hei hononga o nga iwi e neke haere ana ki te ao marama. :)
I don't appreciate listening to most Maori barstardize the English language, but I don't piss and moan about it. I traveled a few countries and never once heard, owwwwlll bro what's youss fellas doing, chaa chaa sweet azzz cuz. Until landing back in Auckland airport and I knew I was home. I'm no pome as I'm Italian Latvian and don't care for the pome, us Italians were treated worse then Maori in years back my elders told me. I have a book of Maori place names translated to English, my Maori mates say it fucks a few places and the history up but depends who's telling the story ayy. I try my hardest to learn the history.
Come back when you can pronounce "ask" and not "arks"
Annoyance? Cant be trusted? You know nothing of Te Rauparaha. Only what you regurgitate from your fabricated history books. But you already know that dont you?
Well I never personally knew Te Rauparaha, so I do have to go from books. How would you describe Te Rauparaha then?
@@kiwicodger Apakura is right regurgitate your own bullshit sordid history. At school we were taught that Christopher Columbus discovered America and Captain Crook Cook discovered NZ. Our great tipuna navigator Kupe and his Wife Marotini landed here Circa 925AD, Crook Cook Oct 1769, 844yrs later. You use others accounts to make money from our tahuhu korero me purakau of which you have no right, you also bastardise our culture because baldhead you cant even pronounce te reo me kupu maori. I was strapped for not pronouncing English words properly but i learnt and endured can you say the same for your race! Te Rauparaha was in total control of his world and the technically developing world around him. His upbringing prepared him with the foresight to know his time was running out in Kawhia, the killing of Uira was the last straw. Te Rauparaha learned foresight and fortitude would design and enter him into the realm of greatness. A great leader and master tactician his mana spread like wildfire those who befriended him were held close whilst his enemies were held closer. Battling his way south he reached his Turangawaewae and claimed it as his, atuned to his environment he understood the advantages of his surroundings. So great was his mana he mastered the English language and culture. He understood the English better than they understood themselves. What i also know of my tipuna he was wrongly accused of things that were naturally afforded to him as a Rangatira, sentenced to imprisonment and fined 1million acres of Maoriland.
Glad you are enjoying the episodes. Alas there is no money being made by me...more's the pity.
Tena koe@@stewartpuha4399. He pai nga whakaaro rereke mena e rapu ana tatou nga pono me nga tika kei roto i nga tiko. Mai i taku tirohanga he pai nga mahi a Kiwi Codger. Rurea taitea kia tu ko taikaka anake. Aroha mai ki a Ngai Pakeha e ako tonu ana i nga reo rangatiri o Aotearoa. Paimarie! :)
@@justinsmith143 pono paimarie
You can't even comprehend Maori lore! Why have you done this it's so disrespectful. You should just stay in your lane research king George this isn't factual!
Why do you say this? Whats he missed in his research?
@@kiwionarope well first off, pronunciation has been missed lol...
@@hokimoki3677 and he knows this, and he's learning with each video. Jesus, people moan when not enough is done to promote Maori language and culture, and they moan when people do try to promote the language and culture. Point me to your channel on proper pronunciation so I can learn....
Sheree Klenner Take a seat unless you have time to teach..It's only easy to pick apart bs. How about you deliver your own comprehensive insight on Maori law and don't do it disrespectful...lmafo
How is he being disrespectful? He's honoring our people by taking an interest in our history.