Yaay! A triumph of thinking as an engineer! It certainly sounds like Ema's account is more likely. Yet again you have given me another perspective, and the need to do more research - thanks!
Cheers Chris...the truth is long gone, now it's just bringing as many threads together to form an opinion. Certain the location has a large bearing on how things might have panned out. How can you do more research when you are swanning off around the world???
Thank you a very well reasoned account! Kaikoura was certainly crushed somehow whether by battle or abandonment (possibly after Omihi defeat!) But one or possibly two canoes under construction in the Kaikoura bush were abandoned . I saw one @ 1959 but when I described its location to others who claimed to have seen it ...they described different area! . Last I heard it had a shelter over it.
Just come across this and its most interesting I understood the Waitaha were the iwi living at Omihi and Oaro . there is certainly a sandy shingle beach just north of the Oaro river which canoes en masse could land . I have heard stories that the Waitaha were slaughtered as they crossed the Oaro River . By the looks of it the Omihi Pa was at what is now Boat Harbour or just north of it .
Rakiwhakatia was one of the rangatira from Arowhenua way. He is an important figure at this time. Taiaroa was a rangatira at Otakou and Taumutu, along with Te Morokiekie of Taumutu. The 'middle section' is a vast area made of different hapu groups and different rangatira. Taiaroa's influence did not cover all of this region. Ema Turumeke's daughter Maku first married my tipuna's brother, Pakaro. This is when Maku was older and lived at Moeraki. She went on to marry a Pakeha, and I believe has descendants from that union to this day.
Great,thanks,recon your pretty close to the truth,just drove past there with my daughter,blowing hard on shore that day,as most days it does there,so not only landing spots for a large fleet is restricted,but so does the weather close up the number of windows…you would have to take awhile to land many people,so night ( when it’s generally Calmer ….)and the end of summer….etc. Kind regards.
I might be wrong but I was quite certain that it was Kaikoura that Te Rauparaha attacked in this video and that he later attacked Omihi that was hosting the survivors of Kaikoura and possibly Te Kekerengu.
Te Rauparaha was away from Awaiti for one month. You may be right. Crosby in Musket Wars makes no mention of a battle at this time at Kaikoura, only at Omihi. If you can supply any references I am happy to follow them up. Also, if you are correct, then the traditional story of people at Omihi welcoming the canoes is evn more unbelievable.
No I haven't but after doing this series on Te Rauparaha and Ngai Tahu I may. That battle was such a tragedy for Hongi, he won the day but lost his son...
Not sure where Mangumanu Pa is, the Pa is not mentioned in Crosby's musket wars, but wouldn't be surprised if they got the treatment as well...they were tough and dangerous times...
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Yaay! A triumph of thinking as an engineer! It certainly sounds like Ema's account is more likely. Yet again you have given me another perspective, and the need to do more research - thanks!
Cheers Chris...the truth is long gone, now it's just bringing as many threads together to form an opinion. Certain the location has a large bearing on how things might have panned out. How can you do more research when you are swanning off around the world???
@@kiwicodger All your references except the Musket Wars are online :)
@@chrisgaelic535 Make sure you take the book with you then :)
Thank you a very well reasoned account! Kaikoura was certainly crushed somehow whether by battle or abandonment (possibly after Omihi defeat!) But one or possibly two canoes under construction in the Kaikoura bush were abandoned . I saw one @ 1959 but when I described its location to others who claimed to have seen it ...they described different area! . Last I heard it had a shelter over it.
that was epic..thankyou
Thanks very much
Just come across this and its most interesting
I understood the Waitaha were the iwi living at Omihi and Oaro . there is certainly a sandy shingle beach just north of the Oaro river which canoes en masse could land .
I have heard stories that the Waitaha were slaughtered as they crossed the Oaro River .
By the looks of it the Omihi Pa was at what is now Boat Harbour or just north of it .
Rakiwhakatia was one of the rangatira from Arowhenua way. He is an important figure at this time. Taiaroa was a rangatira at Otakou and Taumutu, along with Te Morokiekie of Taumutu. The 'middle section' is a vast area made of different hapu groups and different rangatira. Taiaroa's influence did not cover all of this region. Ema Turumeke's daughter Maku first married my tipuna's brother, Pakaro. This is when Maku was older and lived at Moeraki. She went on to marry a Pakeha, and I believe has descendants from that union to this day.
Great,thanks,recon your pretty close to the truth,just drove past there with my daughter,blowing hard on shore that day,as most days it does there,so not only landing spots for a large fleet is restricted,but so does the weather close up the number of windows…you would have to take awhile to land many people,so night ( when it’s generally Calmer ….)and the end of summer….etc.
Kind regards.
Great to get some local input. I didn't have the time to drive up to Omihi and drone it, so great to have your input, cheers!
I might be wrong but I was quite certain that it was Kaikoura that Te Rauparaha attacked in this video and that he later attacked Omihi that was hosting the survivors of Kaikoura and possibly Te Kekerengu.
Te Rauparaha was away from Awaiti for one month. You may be right. Crosby in Musket Wars makes no mention of a battle at this time at Kaikoura, only at Omihi. If you can supply any references I am happy to follow them up.
Also, if you are correct, then the traditional story of people at Omihi welcoming the canoes is evn more unbelievable.
Shot for the info bro
Will look into it
Arohanui from Ōtautahi
Another classic.....have you done one on heke cleaning up nghatiwhatua at kaiwaka
No I haven't but after doing this series on Te Rauparaha and Ngai Tahu I may. That battle was such a tragedy for Hongi, he won the day but lost his son...
@@kiwicodger yes....that would be a good one, thanks
Good work rangatira
I assume the Mangumanu pa was raided on the way through?
Cheers Kino, hope all good with you :)
Not sure where Mangumanu Pa is, the Pa is not mentioned in Crosby's musket wars, but wouldn't be surprised if they got the treatment as well...they were tough and dangerous times...
great information .