I personally caught my ex-wife on a date. I was so calm that she must’ve believed I was kidding when I told her to get her stuff and get out. I’m not going to jail for anybody let alone someone who clearly doesn’t want me!!!
LOL. And your response is exactly why she was seeing someone else. You were void of true love for her. You didn't have to kill her, but what human being would be calm? Her date was like, "well now I feel real special, you're dating me vs being home with this zombie."
I once had a friend who enjoyed dating married women. He broke his leg and couldn’t drive his manual transmission car and asked me to drive him to see one of his current married girlfriends. I told him, “No thanks, I don’t want to get shot today”.
Decades ago a friend, who didn’t have a car, wanted me to drive her to her ex-boyfriend’s house to determine if he was married. The guy was a psychologist. I declined and said, “I wasn’t interested in getting arrested.” She finally did get over there and there was a wife. He wasn’t home and my friend spoke to the wife. Her husband, the rat, had told her that one of his patients had become attached and was delusional and claimed they were dating. My friend had actually met him in graduate school and was not a patient. They had been dating for weeks if not a month or so and it was a red flag, to me anyway, that he had never invited her to his house. 🤔
Wise choice, a friend of mine, from years ago, wanted to to vouch for telling his wife he was with me, but, he was cheating on her, she was a nice person, I declined to do that and I haven’t seen him since. No thanks, not getting involved!! Never get involved.
My theory is that during their "date night" Jeff noticed her constantly texting, waited for Kira to fall asleep. He checked her phone, found actual PROOF that she was texting her lover while they were having a date night to try to work on things. He realized it was futile and she had no intention of working it out with him. He became enraged and bashed her head in while she was sleeping so as not to disturb the roommate...Once he realized the date was a sham and that she was going through the motions, all the while texting and playing grab ass with another man, he saw things for what they were.
That moment of fury is now years in prison. Definitely not worth it. If he had controlled his anger, as time went by, he would have realized he really didn't lose something worth having.
Adultery can be very hazardous to any and all parties involved. The guy she was cheating with might be lucky that Jeff hadn't decided to murder him as well. Never, never "date" a married woman, you could be a victim of homicide.
Nothing has ever broke my heart like getting cheated on. It made me sore for a couple of weeks and after I told her how I felt I moved on. Your dignity is one of the few things no one can take from you. Move on and hope something better comes along. If you want loyalty get a dog .
Or even a non-trashy romantic partner. I guess it will take a virulent and deadly std with no cure or treatment go get people to think about how gross they are being whoring around. Truly sad.
From the position of someone who has been cheated on by a long term partner the effects are devastating. “Confused and depressed” definitely sum up how I was at the time. Ironically the guy she cheated on me with then cheated on her… twice! Ultimately there were no winners
Once a cheat, always a cheat! My husband cheated while I was pregnant with our 3rd child. I threw him out. He’s now been divorced 3 more times! He cheated every single time! I was the first wife, all wives after me are just dummies! What made them think he wouldn’t do the same to them? Tsk tsk!
Something similar happened to me. I had 4 young children with an ex who became so emboldened as to blame me for his cheating and actually brought his lover to our home to answer my question of "does she love you, too?" There was a lot more narcissistic behavior on his part, and yes, it was infuriating. During the 3-year process of divorce, I eventually cut all ties to preserve my sanity. I got down on my knees to pray and meditate, and I believe this kept me from doing anything I would later regret. A person like this is not worth your sanity, future happiness, and any damage to your children. By humbling myself, I discovered how others went through pain like this. I went back to work, my children are now grown, and I am happy again (for many years now).
A question to ask yourself during this whole process is "what is the penalty, by law". You quickly realize that, in the U.S., it is not death. Then you move on to the next important question. "Do I want to live in this kind of pain?" If you are healthy, the clear answer is "no". Finally, realize that this person is merely human, and I would definitely not risk my relationship with God over human folly. Seek the relief that divorce offers, and smile. You just accomplished probably the hardest thing in life. Plus, you can use these skills acquired by this horrible time in other situations. I am now considered to be a very patient, trustworthy confidante by many.
my wife was intimidated by her black boss at work & she let him have her out of fear. I understood it and we needed her income so we live with him using her.
I was in this same scenario with my ex wife, Let them go, it's painful at first and you run the gamut of emotions, In time you rebuild and actually may find someone better, I went through several including more cheaters and rid myself of them immediately, Also had amazing experiences I would never had with my ex.. Found a solid long term partner. The ex is long gone and I am happy. Don't spend the rest of your life in prison over a cheating partner!
Basically. I don't get the mentality of being so angry as to not move on. Yep, it hurts. But, once someone shows you they're not into the relationship anymore, just get out. There's a million other things to do rather than kill someone.
Word of advice, leave if you're unhappy. Please don't do what Kira did, because it is not only disrespectful. It is potentially dangerous as you may not know how your husband/wife may react with passion. Be curtious, be kind, always! Edit: I am not defending one side over the other, nor do I condone infidelity nor murdering your partner regardless of situation or circumstance. Just leave if you are unhappy. Both are equally unethical in their own way.
@@mobus1603 No, but that's where it all begins. It used to be an unexpected child arrives believing the dad is their dad, and wife convincing said "pop" it is actually his. No way to tell; but those not so distant times really don't exist now and Grandma could be financing/rearing said surprise before marriage, even a commitment, but 18 yrs. of $ for both child and mom. And if one couldn't stand having sex w/that spouse after all (or if being used as a beard, prop, cash cow) and fooled, I don't want to say" I told you so!" What I believe this commentator, and mother of a son, but forgot to add perhaps out modesty is, don't sleep w/someone sleeping w/someone else BECAUSE kids could be in the offing. But, wait and see later if that person is someone you LIKE being intimate with over time, and once married often enough to make everyone if not gleeful, mostly satisfied, because men and sometimes women don't know what women want, and will do! And if Mom doesn't know that or doesn't try to tell son, she is being REMISS as a mom. Something else is I'm speculating, he stopped having it w/HER.
Yes. I always think of that as “always end one relationship before starting another. “ It’s the honest and right thing to do. If someone will cheat with you, they’ll cheat on you.
@@mobus1603who cares what you think.. cheating is just as bad as murder. You cheat on someone and these are the kinds of things that can happen to you and your family. Don’t fuckng cheat.. crazy how only women try lower the damage cheating does
I experienced a wife who cheated, worse thing i ever went through, i never hurt anyone but i could see how it can happen. Its so devastating at least for me. 10 years later, still single.
To be honest... she deserved it. Imagine going on a date with your husband, and getting a kick out of sexting with another man. *She shouldnt be surprised she got kielled. PLAY STOOPID GAMES, WIN STOOPID PRIZES.*
Texting your lover while your husband is taking you on a date is not merely cheating, it is making a statement. When you add insult to injury, there is a risk that the aggrieved party will add injury.
Yeh - entirely her fault she was murdered. Nothing wrong with the guy at all. He should get a medal. Glad this is the attitude to have in 1023 ... oh ... wait ....
Yes that definitely doesn't justify murder.. but life doesn't always work the way you want it to. So for her safety she would have been a lot better off avoiding the cheating altogether at least before she finalized the breakup
Clearly no one should be killed over infidelity. But as they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. He should have divorced her and taken as much of her money as possible. Cheating is extremely hurtful not to mention low class.
At best he gets 50%, but probably less -- divorce in US is horribly tilted to the female's advantage. Had a friend who caught his wife cheating on him. He ended up having to pay her alimony. Bullsh*t all the way...
Low class? Most filthy rich people cheat, politicians etc. have a history in all cultures of having multiple people. I have been cheated on so it is very hurtful I agree.
My husband cheated and let me tell you the affair was not the worst of it. It was dealing with a stalker for years. She gave men my address when my husband was deployed, men showing up at my school. Put fake profiles in my name, to some STD sites. One of the guys that came to my school, threatened me. Until my classmate who was a cop called him in. After investigating it, we found out it was her sending these random people. It's the consequences of their actions and it can be scary. Be careful who you cheat with if you're going to cheat. Or even better don't cheat on your partner. Just leave.
Too bad for her. She was cut off in her sins and probably went to Hell. Jeff will find Jesus for Eternity. The Lover will hopefully die and join his Soulmate in Hell.
I had to help a friend who went through that exact same thing! I pretended I thought this psycho was my friend to get as much evidence as I could. She got fired from the fire station and is supposed to be banned from social media
I dated a girl who had recently broken up with her boyfriend. Once we were kissing outside her apartment building. Out of the corner of my eye I see a 6'3" guy coming at me with a kitchen knife. Now, I no longer really date. I feel safer around animals.
One of the most complicated, challenging, and potentially dangerous tasks most ordinary people will ever embark upon in their lives is an intimate relationship with another human being.
My X wife had an affair with her boss and his wife of 20 years found out…and let me in on it. During our divorce process (and hers) I legit thought she was going to kill both her husband and my at the time wife. Glad she didn’t, but being cheated on is absolutely unbearable for some. Obviously murder is never an option, but I can definitely understand the betrayal pushing somebody over the edge and doing some crazy ness like this dude.
A man in a building across the street from where I work committed suicide by leaping out of a window.. His wife was cheating on him and preparing to leave him.Adultery/cheating can have truly devastating consequences.
Don’t have an affair with someone who is married, don’t cheat on your spouse. Texting a lover while out on a date with a spouse is unbelievably disrespectful and really just asking for trouble. At least try to be a little bit sensitive of another person’s feelings.
@@darkwoods1954 you must have heard that two wrongs don’t make a right? All you do is compound foolishness by adding to it. Leave a relationship with your dignity and keep it moving. If you stick around to play head games like this, you won’t like the results.
@@fodetoure1576 what she did absolutely doesn’t justify murder or violence, we agree. But at the same time, the reality is that a lot of people are not as mature or stable under those conditions. Don’t bet your life on another person’s level of emotional maturity. She didn’t deserve what happened to her, but it would have been better for everyone concerned if she’d made a clean break from her husband, before courting another man.
And how in the world does that warrant murder? Sorry, but she did want a separation and he couldn't let her go. That's why he killed her! She wanted to leave him. So now who is the lesser evil?
Yep, same. Mine was worse, even. I maintained my composure and didn't lash out even once. Eventually realized she was toying with me and I moved out of the house until she found a new place. I've since forgiven her, and no longer have a desire for a serious relationship.
@@ShadolisI’m sorry that a sKank destroyed your trust in the opposite sex. Don’t let one bad experience ruin a potentially positive prospect of having a happier future. Just sayin’
@@Shadolis : The divorce industry is huge. The stats should steer anyone doing their due diligence clear of the idea of marriage. The marriage / advice repair industry cashing in on it is also huge ! Any economist, investment advisor would say, save your money.
My husband cheated on me multiple times, eventually I got fed up and left. Best dam day of my life! He was horribly abusive physically, emotionally and financial abuse. He stole tens of thousands of dollars from me. Karma got him in the end. Now I’m happily remarried to an amazing man, and he’s alone and miserable because he can’t find anyone else to abuse.
Thank you for your videos Dr. Grande, this one hit close to home for me 😥! My ex husband walked out and left me (to be with his secret pregnant girlfriend) without telling me what was going on. It’s been 9 years now, and my life is better - but sometimes the hurt comes back and makes me sad. If you don’t love someone anymore, please have the courtesy to tell them. Walking out and leaving without a word is never the right thing to do! In the meantime I hope you have a wonderful new year, and I look forward to more of your videos!
@@0bservationist grow a set and say what needs said. Don’t walk out the door leaving your wife and two kids to wonder if you were murdered, or abducted, for months on end.
You never know what someone is capable of until pushed to their limit. Be respectful and honest. Protect yourself during this stressful time. This situation is so tragic.
I’ve known about this case for years, I’ve seen many videos on it and read about it, but not once did anyone say that Kira had a boyfriend and was texting with him on her night out with her husband. Therefore, Dr. Grande, I appreciate the addition of this info as it makes the case make a lot more sense now.
I would like to know more about these two. They moved to St. Paul so he could find work. Did he? Or was he a lazy bum. If it became a marriage of unequals economically they were doomed.
@@jamesjwalshdon’t try to justify her cheating.. it’s all her fault she caused everything. Couldnt keep her legs closed 🤷♂️ who cares if he had a job or not there’s never an excuse to cheat.
It doesn't make her adultery justified just like it doesn't make his murder of her justified. Evil upon evil leads to more evil. But it would explain a little why she wanted out of a relationship with him if he was a total bum.@@jamesjwalsh
I had a married woman at work flirting with me, it started at a retirement party for a coworker and continue at work for a couple months. She was very pretty and the temptation to start a romance with her was strong, I was single at that time. Thankfully, I didn't start anything, the thought of how this guy would feel haunted me. I was treated badly by a couple coworkers, friends of hers. Maybe she was unhappy and was looking for a way out of a bad relationship. Anyway, she now to look at me with distain, like I somehow mistreated her, and she's still with her husband. Life is crazy sometimes.
Similar story. Married Co-worker started texting about the sex dreams she was having about me. Luckily i ignored it. Later i found out her husband who is a cop found the texts. Crazy female co-workers told me, "a real man would have slept with her and she was unhappy in her marriage". Couldnt believe what i was hearing. As if i was to blame for her long existing marriage problems. Women take no responsibility. They only believe in their emotions they are feeling at the time. I could have been shot and killed by the cop husband if he got unhinged.
As dramatic and horrible as this ending is, people forget about the more less dramatic results that can devastate lives by cheating…STD’s, unwanted pregnancies, hurting children in the relationships, and hurting family extensions. The emotional struggles and physical struggles of health problems related to infidelity are forever, in many cases. So not worth it!
I once worked with a girl who bragged about seeing a man in a relationship and how easy it was for them because the girlfriend had multiple jobs as well as motherhood taking up a lot of her time. Besides the moral aspect of it, many co-workers explained that it’s dangerous to engage in affairs. I mean, there are hundreds of tv shows that prove so. Anyhow, the girlfriend showed up to my work asking every female employee our name after the boyfriend told her the truth. This woman brought a group of friends to confront my co-worker. Fortunately, nothing violent happened but I often imagine about what could’ve happened if she really wanted revenge.
@@luibond9418 It could’ve. All that ended up happening was them having a talk about it, with the assistant manager acting as a mediator. My job at that time had police officers guarding the place, so perhaps she had realized that it wasn’t worth the risk.
If you let a cheater go, they're always going to be the bad guy in the eyes of friends, family, and children. Retaliation against them will take that from you, and it's the best justice you will get.
If someone cheats on you be relieved that you can now move away from fakeness and lies. Does it hurt? Yes! But no man or woman is worth your freedom. See it as discarding trash or removing a bloodsucking tick. A cheater doesn't deserve your time or revenge, a cheater doesn't define your self-worth. Move on to better things, there are plenty of fish in the sea. Never be too obsessed with anyone.
Even when I was single and met married women I never pursued it because it's just gross on every level. There's millions of singles in the world at your convenience. To tamper with a relationship just says something deeper about each person's level of narcissistic needs. One needs to dishonor a marriage vow while committing such a disloyal act. The other needs to feel they are taking from the innocent party while starting a relationship. It's like getting a new home or car and knowing you committed some heinous fraud to get it. Yuck! Some people are just without conscience and will do or say anything to justify getting what they want in a wicked way. It's a no brainier to avoid adultery as the lover or the spouse period..
Same here, my thoughts are if they're willing to cheat on the current man, you won't be any different if you get with them. You'll be the next guy they cheat on. Unfortunately alot of women like to do the leap frog method, they can't stand being single...
@@ShogunateDaimyo There is a guy I play pickup ball with. He’s single and he only pursues married women who claim they’re separated or divorced. He intentionally love-bombshell them, sleeps with them and then ignores them. When they ask why, he replies- I you want love them you better go back to your husband who actually loves you, the rest of us will treat you as a pump n dump.
My ex fiancé did that to me. She was texting her co worker constantly while we were hanging out. I had no idea she was straying, but I do remember saying "enough" with the constant texting. I found a video on an old cell phone of when we were out to dinner. She was texting who I assume was him. I asked a super immature "are you texting your boyfriend?" She looked at me with more contempt than I ever saw from another person as she gave me the single finger salute. She eventually wanted to take a "break". I knew that meant she didn't want to be with me anymore. I agreed as long as there wasn't anyone else involved. She said no, so I agreed. While she maintained she was not involved with anyone else, when I went to take her a sweetest day gift her mom told me she was in Chicago with "Chris" (one of her co workers). She looked at me confused, like she didn't know, that I was uninformed. I had an old friend who was a private investigator, and he confirmed they were kissing each other while out in public. So I started seeing other women immediately after learning that. I didn't tell her. For some reason she kept trying to keep me hanging on. Eventually things started to happen on MySpace (this was in 2007). By early December I see from her profile that he changed his profile pic to one of her and him all loved up on each other. So I removed her from mine and put my ex from high school up there (we had split up in 1997, and as I was going through this break up, she was divorcing the guy she left me for). This enraged my ex, and she called me to chastise me for it. I told her I knew that she had been with Chris all that time. That the last time we had sex, and she had those new moves, I knew where she got then from, because that day I asked her where she learned them. (I was so naive..) I knew it was him because she was crying, and she said "I love you so much". Yeah bullshit.... Then he decided to get involved due to a car we had co-signed together. When we broke up, I had a different job that paid 1/3 of what I had been making, so it was really tight and I was consistently late on payments. The pull up to the car wash I was working one winter day. She and I discussed the matter and she left. When I got home I was greeted with a private message in FB from him. He said that I was lucky that he didn't get out of the car and show her what a real man can do. I replied: "Be careful how you get your girls, because that's how you'll lose them. My address is _0-4 ___-ll_@ ave R-_-3$_r H-_-$, etc etc. I'm home by 2pm every day." He never showed. Four years after that I was playing drums for a church. One of her old friends was in attendance. She cane up to me to say that they weren't friends anymore. Apparently my ex slept with the friend's male roommate. My ex told her cousin, who told Chris, and he lost his marbles. He threatened to kill the friend and her family. I told her not to worry. That I warned him, and he's a coward. In 2015 my gf and I move to the neighboring city where he was from. One morning while out to breakfast, he walked in with an elderly woman whom I assume was his mom. He didn't recognize me. I wore my hair up in a winter hat, and had grown a beard. I paid for his meal that day when I left. At that point I was thankful for the intervention and the lesson. My ex was untrustworthy. I didn't know he helped me figure it out. She had tried to come back through the time they were together. I never replied. In the summer of 2012 the girl I'm with now moved back up from Florida to our home state to be with me. My ex tried again, and this time I said out of respect for your engagement to Chris and my new relationship, I think it's best we move on with our lives. Haven't heard from her since. I won't say I wasn't angry, or didn't have thoughts of ending my life. Those were some incredibly dark days, but in the end I can say I recovered and am doing really great! Had I had gone another route I might be sitting in a prison cell, or in a lying in a casket. I think I made the right decision...
That’s one good thing about technology… and we could still have this protection with decentralized cameras (without the China system of government control through surveillance/facial recognition/zero privacy or freedom.)
*"Not premeditated" is rather subjective here. She was cheating on him and he knew it. I bet he played that scene out a thousand times before he finally did it. Fine line.*
One time, my coworker got involved with a married man. Then, the wife of the man found out and came to our workplace screaming and demanding that my coworker come outside and deal with her. We had to lock our office doors and the wife started looking at all our cars as if she was trying to find my coworker's to smash. Our building manager went out there and got her to leave. It was frightening and could have put us all in danger if it had gotten more serious. Another time I went on a date set up by a friend. Found out towards the end of the date that the guy was still legally married, but apparently" getting a divorce very soon." Nope! I left right then and there and never talked to him again. Don't cheat and don't commit murder - it's that simple. 🤷♀
Good that you got out of the situation on your date. I had a married guy hit on me, who was a salesman that I had over because I needed a water softener system. He was the cousin my realtor at that time. I called him out on it and refused to even go there. I cut off all communication. Business and the like. No thank you! It's cases like this that really help me be aware. I'm also glad your coworker's wife left without incident.
There are many things in life I don't understand. One of them is why people seem to think murder is good life choice for them. Another is why people stay in relationships that they aren't committed to.
They stay for the same weak-willed reason they cheat. These are people who need a bridge to leave a relationship. They will bring all of their weaknesses to the next relationship because they are not able to work on their partnerships, and in all likelihood, will cheat again.
It’s incredibly disrespectful what she did. Obviously it doesn’t mean she deserves to die but it doesn’t surprise me that someone would fly into a rage. Clearly a crime of passion. Texting someone else while you’re on a date with someone , because you’re planning a divorce anyway. She was incredibly selfish and stupid , and he was violent , lots of trouble in thd relationsupp just not a good combination
Dr . Grande , that little white dog in you video is adorable. Great video, I really enjoy your videos. Thanks and keep up the great job . You are the best .
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about what could be happening in a mall like the "Mall of America' like this.
"Drug dealers are not known for maintaining an outstanding safety record" -Lol!🤣😂 Am I the only one that found that funny??! ......Thanks for another great video Dr. Grande!
Usually though, folks who “deal” marijuana aren’t known for murder. It’s not a high stakes drug like cocaine. As a WA resident where marijuana is legal to buy and use responsibly there’s even less violence associated with this particular drug. Marijuana remains much less dangerous than alcohol and even less dangerous than energy drinks. Just saying…🤷🏼♀️ I do love Dr. Grande’s sense of humor! He’s got a real knack with dry humor. I love this guy’s videos!
Nowadays, Cheaters are portrayed as victims, judicial system also portray cheaters as victims, how crazy our society is becoming. In this case, I believe Jeff was a true victim. Lack of morality is so shocking.
Don't get married if you can't control your lust and aren't serious about being committed to your spouse. For jealousy is the rage of a man: therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance.
Too many people want to have their cake and eat it too. This woman wanted the money and her toy boy. She miscalculated the actions of a desperate man. His anger got the better of him and her conceit her killed. Both should have considered the do unto others rule.
@@jamesparlane9289 Well said. Things could've been worse with the husband having the other guys address...he may have been planning to kill them both. Other guy got away with no reproach.
@jamesparlane9289 "This woman wanted the money and her toy boy"- what money? Jeff wasn't exactly Elon Musk! I bet she made most if not all of their money.
@@gailmiler2797 Many women want to hang about until they have their exit plan, including whatever money they can get all set up before they exit. In this case she was trying to be in two relationships at the same time. That is not a fair or, as it turned out, a safe strategy. She is now dead forever. Others need to learn from that. Thinking is a start.
Don’t get married if you can’t control your anger if you’re cheated on. Don’t get married or in a relationship if you can’t handle someone breaking up with you. Cheating IS wrong in most cases (spare the abused people who seek love and help to get out) but murder is a moral crime that is MUCH WORSE. Do you think women have a right to murder their cheating husbands as well? The way you think now makes you not qualified for any relationship.
I lived in Minneapolis through most of the 90's. Ironically, the only time I'd go to Mall of America was to go to Sears, lol. I miss Sears. And K-Mart.
Come to Australia or New Zealand! We have K-Mart!! Admittedly not quite the same......different corporation. But we adore K-Mart in both countries; my son's girlfriend gets facial twitches in my house cos she works at K-Mart p.t & our house is full of it.
For fucks sake if you don't wanna be with your spouse any more than just leave them. Even if you're married at least tell them you want a divorce and leave them formally before doing it. If you don't show any respect to anyone and do shit like this, this shit can happen. This is one of the worst forms of betrayal.
I don't disagree that cheating is absolutely horrible, but a man just murdered his wife, her mother, their children, and himself after the wife filed for divorce in Utah. I think that was within the past week. There's no way to know if you opt to leave a relationship that you will leave with your life, regardless of how you go about it. It's a scary world we live in.
@@aboultbee1 I'm referring to the cheating, but I'm not using that justify the murdering, I'm simply saying it's a selfish thing to do, and it's understandable why the person you're cheating on would want to destroy you. You're having a great time but they're miserable because you betrayed them.
Agreed, no justification for murdering anyone but if a spouse is unhappy in a marriage and wants to move on, just leave before cheating and letting the situation ever escalate to this point. Nobody ever deserves to be murdered but given his clumsy attempt at covering it up it was of course an act caused by his out of control emotions at the time. If she simply left him before starting a relationship with someone else she would probably still be alive. And to the husband, just own it, lying to the cops just double his prison sentence. The conversation between him and his attorney discussing the evidence the way Dr G put forth would of been interesting to listen in on…
I think this case speaks to the power of emotions. They were both victims of their own uncontrolled emotions and while doing so they caused tremendous pain to one another. Sad case. Thank you for the excellent analysis, Dr. Grande.❤
Yes, so important to learn how to control our emotions; not stifle them but be aware of them and if they are overwhelming seek help or they will shipwreck you.
I’ve had many times that I’ve could have cheated on my wife with extremely beautiful women, however I am committed and if I wanted to cheat on her, I would 1st discuss why I feel that way, and if it cannot be settled, then move forward with divorce before causing adultery. If your a good person, you’ll do what is right!
I remember when this happened and followed it pretty closely. I don't understand where the large amounts of blood they found in the house came from? The only injuries Kira had that were on the autopsy report were a broken index finger and a small cut above her eyebrow. Neither would've bled enough to cause death or to cause the massive amounts of blood mentioned in the police report when the police searched the house a couple days after Kira went missing. Was it ever mentioned if Matt (the roommate) was closer friends with Jeff, or with Kira, or equally good friends with both? Because if he was better friends with Jeff than Kira, maybe he helped him cover up the crime or dispose of her body. I don't understand how he could've been home the whole time and heard nothing. I remember reading that since Kira's body was so badly decomposed, an exact cause of death couldn't be determined, but the experts thought she may have been smothered in her sleep. But that makes no sense because smothering wouldn't cause much, if any, blood. So how do you explain the "copious amounts of blood" that were found throughout the house, on the carpet cleaner, the bedroom, and blood in the shape of a human torso in the carpet? So many things don't add up and make sense.
Kira’s boyfriend probably would have dropped her at some point. I realize that emotions are high in these cases but Jeff should have separated from Kira. I’m sure that he now realizes that it wasn’t worth it.
Good morning, Dr. Grande! An excellent summary of the events before and after Kira's murder. And yes, I concur that Jeff was guilty of her murder. It's the old story of "If I can't have you, nobody else can." Probably all of the texts to her boyfriend on their date night drove him over the edge.
I took Will training classes while my ex engaged in adultery. Eventually, I saw how absurd it all was and realized that I actually wanted the marriage to end. Even if I never loved again, I did not want that person in my life any longer.
@@lynnu25 Santa must have brought him a hand gun? The gun lobbyists say 'arm the school teachers" The kid will say oops I slipped. There will be a South Park episode on it.
@@nickyblue4866 Only decent honest non nutjobs follow the rules. Outlaws will not. The world is a sick place when you need to put in scanners to pick up 6 year Olds with guns.
@@jamesparlane9289 You’re the type of person who rants about “big oil companies” while 99% of everything you touch in your comfortable 21st century life is made from either oil or natural gas, or both.
@@juneelle370 Okay, I wasn't clear. What I meant was that there were times when my ex would have killed me if she'd had the chance. She lacks impulse control, and so do a lot of other people. If you want to see cold hatred in someone's face go to a child custody hearing.
Thank you for clarifying~ I was worried. Comment sections where men murder women are filled with blaming the woman like she deserved it! And the reverse situations only have the rare comment of the man deserving it. It’s scary and wrong! I can understand wanting to scream, throw things, cry, vomit, run away and a dozen other things if cheated on-it must be extremely painful and emotionally confusing--still violence is never the answer! Violence makes this world so gross~I hate it! Hope you find your real, forever love 💜
Is that a bichon ?? My Snowflake passed away in 2017 and my heart will forever be broken !! Enjoy your pupper and do not take one moment for granted !! Blessed 2023 to you both !!
Hi Dr. Grande…just discovered your channel. Really great information. I really enjoy how you break things down methodically, making it very easy to follow everything. Keep up the great analyses! Best, PS
I am from the Mpls MN area and I have to say that the Mall of America is eay more than a mall with upscale stores. There are many reasonably priced stores, restaurants kiddie rides, interesting activities & local entertsinment. Thank you for talking about this case.
Empowering women to leave their miserable partners long before they start affairs might be the answer. She looked like a vibrant woman next to her lifeless husband. Such men will kill anyway, with or without an affair.
Comprehensively sensible and sensitive presentation, the subtle stabs at humor appreciated as always, and challenging for considering what a sad grim deal it was.
It’s NOT worth it. You lost your life. Over a Cheater. By now you could have found someone else. Found happiness. It’s never easy to move on, but you MUST…
:My wife spent 20 minutes in the bathroom at a steakhouse one night on a date night. she was talking to her boyfriend, I called her phone and no answer during that time. I wanted to kill her, but instead, i stuck her with the bill and divorced her soon after. The guy was a user and her life is still upside down 15 yrs later. I'm happy and living a very good life with our 4 children and new other.
Based on the video of them at Mall of America and the roommate not hearing any arguing I think when the light turned on he got her phone while she was sleeping and saw the texts she sent before and during their date and killed her in her sleep.
I live about 6 miles from the Mall of America. It's worth visiting at least once. It has some unique shops and entertainment. However, most locals don't go regularly, at least for shopping. It's not a place to get a great deal and there is no shortage of other malls in the Twin Cities.
Dr Grande...I've not watched the whole video yet but. Dr Grande. Thank you for your videos! Your dry sense of humour and clever wit have helped me so much this year. I stumbled upon your channel off work in the weeks after losing my dad and then my Mum (I'm British) within a few months of each other suddenly. Both under 60yo. You've seriously given me a reason to wake up some days and I've learnt a lot about psychology from your analysis'. Thanks for your time and puns too😅 wishing your family a merry Christmas 🎉
Sincere condolences. When you lose both your parents, and for you over a short period of time, it’s a strange feeling. For me, apart from the obvious grief, it is like that familiar portrait you have of your family suddenly vanishes and you can’t ever get it back because now you are an orphan, regardless of how old you are. I hope the memories you have give you some comfort. ❤
If she don't clearly fully respect you then you can never trust her. If she's always giving you a hard time or talking down to you or always complaining or withholding sex she definitely don't respect you or love you and you should cut ties. There's always another one. You also have to look at why she doesn't respect you tho it goes both way. She don't have a right to cheat but you don't have the right to be getting complacent and not taking care of her. You need to maintain a deep strong bond, people don't stop having needs after you been together for a certain amount of time. How things were in your first year or two should stay that way until you're not old enough to screw anymore.
This ladies and Genlemen is a real man. Pay attention. Men/ Women need to to take partial responsibility for their partners cheating- it's your job to maintain excitement/ effort regardless if it's the first day or the 10,000 of a relationship.....They had to move to Bloomington so the husband could find work. That's one sign of him not having his shit together
Just wanted to reach out and thank you Dr. Grande. Love your content and your statistics videos contributed to distinctions in my MSc clinical neuroscience reports. Wishing you a brilliant 2023 x
Dr. Grande, Your ads (like this one for "Hungerroot",or whatever it was , are the best ads in the TH-cam business). They are Honest. and I appreciate that. Thanks for not treating me like a moron..
I knew a woman who was stuck in an unhappy marriage with a man who bullied and controlled her. He would not let her go to work and rarely let her go out so she had no money or support structure of her own for her to be able to just leave. She met another man who treated her with love and respect and cheated with him before leaving her husband. He then stabbed her in the throat and killed her before hanging himself. Leaving their four adult children without parents (one was only 18). People seemed more sympathetic to him than her just because she cheated. But people don't ever seem to ask themselves why people cheat. Not everyone who cheats can just leave. But they still desire emotional and physical intimacy and affection. It's a natural human urge.
when men cheat, they are “dogs”. when women cheat, their needs arent being met and the man is at fault again. this woman had 4 adult children with the man but didnt know what his reaction would be to cheating? she made her bed.
@@0bservationist I agree that men cheat for the same reason usually, their emotional or physical needs aren't being met. I didn't say one gender was more acceptable to cheat than others. She made her bed? So because she sought affection from someone who didn't bully and control her she asked to be murdered? I'd rather be cheated on 1000 times than be murdered just once. Being cheated on bruises your ego. Get over it and move on. It's no where near as bad as murder. But a lot of people seem to be motivated by their ego and insecurities so can't stand the thought that their partner needed to find satisfaction elsewhere and get very defensive whenever cheating is the topic.
@@darkwoods1954 when breakups happen, men stand to lose MUCH more. and im not talking about money (although that would be valid too) usually women can find a partner instantly, if they didnt have one lined up even before the breakup, whereas men, it could take years, or maybe it will just never happen. So what I'm saying is, when a women wants a clean break, she should take her chance and go. dont dawdle, dawdling can be deadly.
I will never forget a guy I knew years back, his wife was having an affair, he confronted her, she screamed that her lover wanted her to leave him, and she was tempted, this guy had already packed her bags whilst she was out with lover boy, he shoved her in the car with her bags and dropped her off at the BF house, he wouldn't have her, she came back begging for forgiveness, too late the doors were locked. He never took her back.
Am I the only one that's oddly obsessed with this channel. Dr. Grande has this weird noncharismatic charisma that just draws me in. Hes like, dry and monotonous but not in a boring way, if that makes sense. I could literally watch this guy all day and I don't know why lmao
I personally caught my ex-wife on a date. I was so calm that she must’ve believed I was kidding when I told her to get her stuff and get out. I’m not going to jail for anybody let alone someone who clearly doesn’t want me!!!
well said, YD79
Easy peasy!
Well done my man
Greatest revenge is never becoming like her
LOL. And your response is exactly why she was seeing someone else. You were void of true love for her. You didn't have to kill her, but what human being would be calm? Her date was like,
"well now I feel real special, you're dating me vs being home with this zombie."
@@mas5867 Could be you were her date🤔Sounds like you got intimate knowledge 🤫
I once had a friend who enjoyed dating married women. He broke his leg and couldn’t drive his manual transmission car and asked me to drive him to see one of his current married girlfriends. I told him, “No thanks, I don’t want to get shot today”.
I have a friend who played that game. The whore gave him genital warts. Fuck around and find out, they say.
Tells you something. He didn't have anyone to support him during his injury because he had no deep connections
Decades ago a friend, who didn’t have a car, wanted me to drive her to her ex-boyfriend’s house to determine if he was married. The guy was a psychologist. I declined and said, “I wasn’t interested in getting arrested.” She finally did get over there and there was a wife. He wasn’t home and my friend spoke to the wife. Her husband, the rat, had told her that one of his patients had become attached and was delusional and claimed they were dating. My friend had actually met him in graduate school and was not a patient. They had been dating for weeks if not a month or so and it was a red flag, to me anyway, that he had never invited her to his house. 🤔
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Wise choice, a friend of mine, from years ago, wanted to to vouch for telling his wife he was with me, but, he was cheating on her, she was a nice person, I declined to do that and I haven’t seen him since. No thanks, not getting involved!! Never get involved.
My theory is that during their "date night" Jeff noticed her constantly texting, waited for Kira to fall asleep. He checked her phone, found actual PROOF that she was texting her lover while they were having a date night to try to work on things. He realized it was futile and she had no intention of working it out with him. He became enraged and bashed her head in while she was sleeping so as not to disturb the roommate...Once he realized the date was a sham and that she was going through the motions, all the while texting and playing grab ass with another man, he saw things for what they were.
That moment of fury is now years in prison. Definitely not worth it. If he had controlled his anger, as time went by, he would have realized he really didn't lose something worth having.
Good theory
@@theresastewart1178 Your not a man and you’ve never been in that situation so you have no clue
Yep,i think you put it right. Pretty sad yeah
That is precisely what I thought also.
Adultery can be very hazardous to any and all parties involved. The guy she was cheating with might be lucky that Jeff hadn't decided to murder him as well. Never, never "date" a married woman, you could be a victim of homicide.
And how about NEVER CHEAT! Period.
And NEVER date a married man as well. Especially when y'all have some dignity, you should not wreck homes for a 5 seconds amusement tr1p. 😀
Agreed. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. RIP
Or be the reason why the married person decides to kill his family like Chris Watts did.
The cheater didn't get away. He will face his bad karma eventually.
Nothing has ever broke my heart like getting cheated on. It made me sore for a couple of weeks and after I told her how I felt I moved on. Your dignity is one of the few things no one can take from you. Move on and hope something better comes along.
If you want loyalty get a dog .
Or even a non-trashy romantic partner. I guess it will take a virulent and deadly std with no cure or treatment go get people to think about how gross they are being whoring around. Truly sad.
Better yet get 2 dogs!
@@rebeccamartinez7053 AND NEVER A CAT,
Dog=unconditional love &loyalty.
Woman worse then dogs is understandable
From the position of someone who has been cheated on by a long term partner the effects are devastating. “Confused and depressed” definitely sum up how I was at the time. Ironically the guy she cheated on me with then cheated on her… twice!
Ultimately there were no winners
Not surprising.
Some people have the 'cheat gene' and some don't.
The ones who do simply can't be trusted under any circumstances.
Hopefully you cut her out of your life making you the winner.
My brothers two wives both cheated on him. The first one can't keep her legs closed for anybody. The second had an affair with a woman.
Once a cheat, always a cheat! My husband cheated while I was pregnant with our 3rd child. I threw him out. He’s now been divorced 3 more times! He cheated every single time! I was the first wife, all wives after me are just dummies! What made them think he wouldn’t do the same to them? Tsk tsk!
It’s so painful and makes you feel like the whole relationship was fake
Something similar happened to me. I had 4 young children with an ex who became so emboldened as to blame me for his cheating and actually brought his lover to our home to answer my question of "does she love you, too?" There was a lot more narcissistic behavior on his part, and yes, it was infuriating. During the 3-year process of divorce, I eventually cut all ties to preserve my sanity. I got down on my knees to pray and meditate, and I believe this kept me from doing anything I would later regret. A person like this is not worth your sanity, future happiness, and any damage to your children. By humbling myself, I discovered how others went through pain like this. I went back to work, my children are now grown, and I am happy again (for many years now).
A question to ask yourself during this whole process is "what is the penalty, by law". You quickly realize that, in the U.S., it is not death. Then you move on to the next important question. "Do I want to live in this kind of pain?" If you are healthy, the clear answer is "no". Finally, realize that this person is merely human, and I would definitely not risk my relationship with God over human folly. Seek the relief that divorce offers, and smile. You just accomplished probably the hardest thing in life. Plus, you can use these skills acquired by this horrible time in other situations. I am now considered to be a very patient, trustworthy confidante by many.
my wife was intimidated by her black boss at work & she let him have her out of fear. I understood it and we needed her income so we live with him using her.
@@DonaldDroesch I don't see what you posted here as having anything to do what I posted.
So... you "inadvertently" pimp out your wife for her pay? That's so much better than murder. 🙄 @@DonaldDroesch
@@DonaldDroeschobvious troll is obvious
I was in this same scenario with my ex wife, Let them go, it's painful at first and you run the gamut of emotions, In time you rebuild and actually may find someone better, I went through several including more cheaters and rid myself of them immediately, Also had amazing experiences I would never had with my ex.. Found a solid long term partner. The ex is long gone and I am happy. Don't spend the rest of your life in prison over a cheating partner!
No but you must admit she deserved what she got.
Basically. I don't get the mentality of being so angry as to not move on. Yep, it hurts. But, once someone shows you they're not into the relationship anymore, just get out. There's a million other things to do rather than kill someone.
Preach
Well said Captain South. 👏
Yes exactly! They aren’t worth it! You’ll get over them in time and find someone who actually loves you.
Word of advice, leave if you're unhappy. Please don't do what Kira did, because it is not only disrespectful. It is potentially dangerous as you may not know how your husband/wife may react with passion. Be curtious, be kind, always! Edit: I am not defending one side over the other, nor do I condone infidelity nor murdering your partner regardless of situation or circumstance. Just leave if you are unhappy. Both are equally unethical in their own way.
She was getting extra kicks out of the situation. Nothing of value was lost.
There's no excuse for reacting like Jeff did.
@@jaymike3302 there kinda is though
@@theSemiChrist No there's not.
@@jaymike3302 theres definitely cause.
Another wife who got bored with being married and loyal , sure happens a lot .
My ex wife is damn lucky that I’m calm and stoic about bad situations .
Same here.
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I think she had a lot of nerve texting another man while on a date with her husband. No sympathyfor this lady.
Like I tell my son, never start a new relationship while still entangled with an old.
How about also telling your son to divorce his cheating spouse? And don’t murder your spouse.
@@mobus1603 No, but that's where it all begins. It used to be an unexpected child arrives believing the dad is their dad, and wife convincing said "pop" it is actually his. No way to tell; but those not so distant times really don't exist now and Grandma could be financing/rearing said surprise before marriage, even a commitment, but 18 yrs. of $ for both child and mom. And if one couldn't stand having sex w/that spouse after all (or if being used as a beard, prop, cash cow) and fooled, I don't want to say" I told you so!" What I believe this commentator, and mother of a son, but forgot to add perhaps out modesty is, don't sleep w/someone sleeping w/someone else BECAUSE kids could be in the offing. But, wait and see later if that person is someone you LIKE being intimate with over time, and once married often enough to make everyone if not gleeful, mostly satisfied, because men and sometimes women don't know what women want, and will do! And if Mom doesn't know that or doesn't try to tell son, she is being REMISS as a mom. Something else is I'm speculating, he stopped having it w/HER.
@Bela’s Whicker or not to even bother getting married as people have no clue now why they are getting married anyways.
Yes. I always think of that as “always end one relationship before starting another. “ It’s the honest and right thing to do. If someone will cheat with you, they’ll cheat on you.
@@mobus1603who cares what you think.. cheating is just as bad as murder. You cheat on someone and these are the kinds of things that can happen to you and your family. Don’t fuckng cheat.. crazy how only women try lower the damage cheating does
I experienced a wife who cheated, worse thing i ever went through, i never hurt anyone but i could see how it can happen. Its so devastating at least for me. 10 years later, still single.
There are good women out there and I hope that you may find one, one day, if that’s your desire. 😊
Betrayal is a dangerous game.
Being married to a violent man is a dangerous game.
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No it's a FAIR game.
To be honest... she deserved it. Imagine going on a date with your husband, and getting a kick out of sexting with another man. *She shouldnt be surprised she got kielled. PLAY STOOPID GAMES, WIN STOOPID PRIZES.*
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That sounds like the tag line to an intense movie. I like it.
Texting your lover while your husband is taking you on a date is not merely cheating, it is making a statement. When you add insult to injury, there is a risk that the aggrieved party will add injury.
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Yeh - entirely her fault she was murdered. Nothing wrong with the guy at all. He should get a medal.
Glad this is the attitude to have in 1023 ... oh ... wait ....
Yes that definitely doesn't justify murder.. but life doesn't always work the way you want it to. So for her safety she would have been a lot better off avoiding the cheating altogether at least before she finalized the breakup
@@Kalleesto it’s not justifying the murder, it’s explaining the murder.
@@roadArt132 He would most probably still have murdered her for having the audacity to leave him
Clearly no one should be killed over infidelity. But as they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
He should have divorced her and taken as much of her money as possible. Cheating is extremely hurtful not to mention low class.
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I like the “…low class” part.
At best he gets 50%, but probably less -- divorce in US is horribly tilted to the female's advantage. Had a friend who caught his wife cheating on him. He ended up having to pay her alimony. Bullsh*t all the way...
@@jimgutt749 Jim my friend, I am a 3 time loser and it's never, ever good😬
Low class? Most filthy rich people cheat, politicians etc. have a history in all cultures of having multiple people.
I have been cheated on so it is very hurtful I agree.
My husband cheated and let me tell you the affair was not the worst of it. It was dealing with a stalker for years. She gave men my address when my husband was deployed, men showing up at my school. Put fake profiles in my name, to some STD sites. One of the guys that came to my school, threatened me. Until my classmate who was a cop called him in. After investigating it, we found out it was her sending these random people. It's the consequences of their actions and it can be scary. Be careful who you cheat with if you're going to cheat. Or even better don't cheat on your partner. Just leave.
Too bad for her. She was cut off in her sins and probably went to Hell. Jeff will find Jesus for Eternity.
The Lover will hopefully die and join his Soulmate in Hell.
She could have been charged for doing that, and might have ultimately wound up having to register as a sex offender.
I had to help a friend who went through that exact same thing! I pretended I thought this psycho was my friend to get as much evidence as I could. She got fired from the fire station and is supposed to be banned from social media
I dated a girl who had recently broken up with her boyfriend. Once we were kissing outside her apartment building. Out of the corner of my eye I see a 6'3" guy coming at me with a kitchen knife. Now, I no longer really date. I feel safer around animals.
You’re not walking around with a knife between the shoulder blades, are you?
Dogs and cats are the best people.
@@bluecollarlit Cattos are great friends!
Starting a relationship with a person who recently separated is a BIG mistake, the less it is better to wait a year after that separation.
@@socialsocial8350 There's no way I could have known though. That's the scary part of it. It's all so messy.
One of the most complicated, challenging, and potentially dangerous tasks most ordinary people will ever embark upon in their lives is an intimate relationship with another human being.
you said that so well....
Well said!
Yes particularly the ending of one. Apparently God has the controls?
Yup!
@@wrongopinion2158God loves you :)
My X wife had an affair with her boss and his wife of 20 years found out…and let me in on it. During our divorce process (and hers) I legit thought she was going to kill both her husband and my at the time wife. Glad she didn’t, but being cheated on is absolutely unbearable for some. Obviously murder is never an option, but I can definitely understand the betrayal pushing somebody over the edge and doing some crazy ness like this dude.
A man in a building across the street from where I work committed suicide by leaping out of a window.. His wife was cheating on him and preparing to leave him.Adultery/cheating can have truly devastating consequences.
Murder. Is. Always. An. Option.
Yeah it’s tough. Definitely felt unbearable to me as well when I was dealing with that. So I just turned to drugs then lol
Being cheated on hurts like hell but you would never kill somebody you just leave.😢
A lot of people get cheated on. In no way does that alter the fact that he was a cold blooded killer!
It’s a shame people don’t take marriage vows seriously
It's a shame that that's what you took from this.
@@sasca854 They didn't say that's all they took from it.
@@geoculus5606neither did Vash
Hey man, poke the bear and expect to be mauled.
She didn't deserve this end!
Cheating is so dangerous.
For everyone involved.
Don’t have an affair with someone who is married, don’t cheat on your spouse. Texting a lover while out on a date with a spouse is unbelievably disrespectful and really just asking for trouble. At least try to be a little bit sensitive of another person’s feelings.
If he was an awful partner then maybe she didn't care about being sensitive to his feelings.
@@darkwoods1954 you must have heard that two wrongs don’t make a right? All you do is compound foolishness by adding to it. Leave a relationship with your dignity and keep it moving. If you stick around to play head games like this, you won’t like the results.
This does not justify murder
@@fodetoure1576 what she did absolutely doesn’t justify murder or violence, we agree. But at the same time, the reality is that a lot of people are not as mature or stable under those conditions. Don’t bet your life on another person’s level of emotional maturity. She didn’t deserve what happened to her, but it would have been better for everyone concerned if she’d made a clean break from her husband, before courting another man.
And how in the world does that warrant murder? Sorry, but she did want a separation and he couldn't let her go. That's why he killed her! She wanted to leave him. So now who is the lesser evil?
Exact same thing happened to me except the part about murder and going to prison
Yep, same. Mine was worse, even. I maintained my composure and didn't lash out even once. Eventually realized she was toying with me and I moved out of the house until she found a new place. I've since forgiven her, and no longer have a desire for a serious relationship.
@@ShadolisI’m sorry that a sKank destroyed your trust in the opposite sex. Don’t let one bad experience ruin a potentially positive prospect of having a happier future. Just sayin’
@@Shadolis : The divorce industry is huge. The stats should steer anyone doing their due diligence clear of the idea of marriage.
The marriage / advice repair industry cashing in on it is also huge !
Any economist, investment advisor would say, save your money.
My husband cheated on me multiple times, eventually I got fed up and left. Best dam day of my life! He was horribly abusive physically, emotionally and financial abuse. He stole tens of thousands of dollars from me. Karma got him in the end.
Now I’m happily remarried to an amazing man, and he’s alone and miserable because he can’t find anyone else to abuse.
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Thank you for your videos Dr. Grande, this one hit close to home for me 😥! My ex husband walked out and left me (to be with his secret pregnant girlfriend) without telling me what was going on. It’s been 9 years now, and my life is better - but sometimes the hurt comes back and makes me sad. If you don’t love someone anymore, please have the courtesy to tell them. Walking out and leaving without a word is never the right thing to do! In the meantime I hope you have a wonderful new year, and I look forward to more of your videos!
sometimes there is nothing left to say.
@@0bservationist grow a set and say what needs said. Don’t walk out the door leaving your wife and two kids to wonder if you were murdered, or abducted, for months on end.
@@0bservationist that's a cop out. Childish, insulting, emotionally immature, and not something you do to someone you loved.
That's very true but in this case, it would have been a better choice unfortunately
@@michaelaurban4120 at least he didn't murder you and the kids to try to be with his new family
You never know what someone is capable of until pushed to their limit. Be respectful and honest. Protect yourself during this stressful time. This situation is so tragic.
0:37 It's so weird that things didn't work out for them, he looks so happy
I’ve known about this case for years, I’ve seen many videos on it and read about it, but not once did anyone say that Kira had a boyfriend and was texting with him on her night out with her husband. Therefore, Dr. Grande, I appreciate the addition of this info as it makes the case make a lot more sense now.
I would like to know more about these two. They moved to St. Paul so he could find work. Did he? Or was he a lazy bum. If it became a marriage of unequals economically they were doomed.
@@jamesjwalsh that’s a very good question and I’ve never seen any videos addressing it. It could throw a new light on things.
@@jamesjwalshdon’t try to justify her cheating.. it’s all her fault she caused everything. Couldnt keep her legs closed 🤷♂️ who cares if he had a job or not there’s never an excuse to cheat.
Oh, but murder is OK. Get bent! Srsly. @@lonemaus562
It doesn't make her adultery justified just like it doesn't make his murder of her justified. Evil upon evil leads to more evil.
But it would explain a little why she wanted out of a relationship with him if he was a total bum.@@jamesjwalsh
I had a married woman at work flirting with me, it started at a retirement party for a coworker and continue at work for a couple months. She was very pretty and the temptation to start a romance with her was strong, I was single at that time. Thankfully, I didn't start anything, the thought of how this guy would feel haunted me. I was treated badly by a couple coworkers, friends of hers. Maybe she was unhappy and was looking for a way out of a bad relationship. Anyway, she now to look at me with distain, like I somehow mistreated her, and she's still with her husband. Life is crazy sometimes.
Crazy no doubt man
Similar story. Married Co-worker started texting about the sex dreams she was having about me. Luckily i ignored it. Later i found out her husband who is a cop found the texts. Crazy female co-workers told me, "a real man would have slept with her and she was unhappy in her marriage". Couldnt believe what i was hearing. As if i was to blame for her long existing marriage problems. Women take no responsibility. They only believe in their emotions they are feeling at the time. I could have been shot and killed by the cop husband if he got unhinged.
Dont ever shit where you eat, even if the other person is single.
Women don’t handle rejection well
Legend
Never murder your spouse. You will always be first on the suspect list.
That is exactly what we should all have learned by now from watching years of Dateline!
The first line was good enough.
@@askew9976 Never murder anyone!
I love that second line ❤
Oh yes🎉 great advice.
As dramatic and horrible as this ending is, people forget about the more less dramatic results that can devastate lives by cheating…STD’s, unwanted pregnancies, hurting children in the relationships, and hurting family extensions. The emotional struggles and physical struggles of health problems related to infidelity are forever, in many cases. So not worth it!
I once worked with a girl who bragged about seeing a man in a relationship and how easy it was for them because the girlfriend had multiple jobs as well as motherhood taking up a lot of her time.
Besides the moral aspect of it, many co-workers explained that it’s dangerous to engage in affairs. I mean, there are hundreds of tv shows that prove so.
Anyhow, the girlfriend showed up to my work asking every female employee our name after the boyfriend told her the truth.
This woman brought a group of friends to confront my co-worker. Fortunately, nothing violent happened but I often imagine about what could’ve happened if she really wanted revenge.
That could have gone so bad
@@luibond9418 It could’ve.
All that ended up happening was them having a talk about it, with the assistant manager acting as a mediator.
My job at that time had police officers guarding the place, so perhaps she had realized that it wasn’t worth the risk.
@@brittanynicole493 She wasn't that black, huh? 😅
If you let a cheater go, they're always going to be the bad guy in the eyes of friends, family, and children. Retaliation against them will take that from you, and it's the best justice you will get.
Never stoop to their level.
Not true, most people don't really care
The shade being thrown by the doc about the mall of America has me in stitches😂
If someone cheats on you be relieved that you can now move away from fakeness and lies. Does it hurt? Yes! But no man or woman is worth your freedom. See it as discarding trash or removing a bloodsucking tick. A cheater doesn't deserve your time or revenge, a cheater doesn't define your self-worth. Move on to better things, there are plenty of fish in the sea. Never be too obsessed with anyone.
Even when I was single and met married women I never pursued it because it's just gross on every level. There's millions of singles in the world at your convenience. To tamper with a relationship just says something deeper about each person's level of narcissistic needs. One needs to dishonor a marriage vow while committing such a disloyal act. The other needs to feel they are taking from the innocent party while starting a relationship. It's like getting a new home or car and knowing you committed some heinous fraud to get it. Yuck! Some people are just without conscience and will do or say anything to justify getting what they want in a wicked way. It's a no brainier to avoid adultery as the lover or the spouse period..
Yes, who needs that stress, I would NEVER mess around with someone’s wife, just asking for trouble!!
Spot on.
If a married person is dating you, they will cheat on you, too!! 😂🤣
Same here, my thoughts are if they're willing to cheat on the current man, you won't be any different if you get with them. You'll be the next guy they cheat on. Unfortunately alot of women like to do the leap frog method, they can't stand being single...
@@ShogunateDaimyo There is a guy I play pickup ball with. He’s single and he only pursues married women who claim they’re separated or divorced. He intentionally love-bombshell them, sleeps with them and then ignores them. When they ask why, he replies- I you want love them you better go back to your husband who actually loves you, the rest of us will treat you as a pump n dump.
My ex fiancé did that to me.
She was texting her co worker constantly while we were hanging out.
I had no idea she was straying, but I do remember saying "enough" with the constant texting.
I found a video on an old cell phone of when we were out to dinner. She was texting who I assume was him. I asked a super immature "are you texting your boyfriend?"
She looked at me with more contempt than I ever saw from another person as she gave me the single finger salute.
She eventually wanted to take a "break". I knew that meant she didn't want to be with me anymore. I agreed as long as there wasn't anyone else involved. She said no, so I agreed.
While she maintained she was not involved with anyone else, when I went to take her a sweetest day gift her mom told me she was in Chicago with "Chris" (one of her co workers). She looked at me confused, like she didn't know, that I was uninformed.
I had an old friend who was a private investigator, and he confirmed they were kissing each other while out in public.
So I started seeing other women immediately after learning that. I didn't tell her. For some reason she kept trying to keep me hanging on. Eventually things started to happen on MySpace (this was in 2007). By early December I see from her profile that he changed his profile pic to one of her and him all loved up on each other. So I removed her from mine and put my ex from high school up there (we had split up in 1997, and as I was going through this break up, she was divorcing the guy she left me for).
This enraged my ex, and she called me to chastise me for it.
I told her I knew that she had been with Chris all that time. That the last time we had sex, and she had those new moves, I knew where she got then from, because that day I asked her where she learned them. (I was so naive..) I knew it was him because she was crying, and she said "I love you so much". Yeah bullshit....
Then he decided to get involved due to a car we had co-signed together. When we broke up, I had a different job that paid 1/3 of what I had been making, so it was really tight and I was consistently late on payments.
The pull up to the car wash I was working one winter day. She and I discussed the matter and she left.
When I got home I was greeted with a private message in FB from him.
He said that I was lucky that he didn't get out of the car and show her what a real man can do.
I replied:
"Be careful how you get your girls, because that's how you'll lose them. My address is _0-4 ___-ll_@ ave R-_-3$_r H-_-$, etc etc. I'm home by 2pm every day."
He never showed.
Four years after that I was playing drums for a church. One of her old friends was in attendance. She cane up to me to say that they weren't friends anymore. Apparently my ex slept with the friend's male roommate. My ex told her cousin, who told Chris, and he lost his marbles. He threatened to kill the friend and her family.
I told her not to worry. That I warned him, and he's a coward.
In 2015 my gf and I move to the neighboring city where he was from. One morning while out to breakfast, he walked in with an elderly woman whom I assume was his mom.
He didn't recognize me. I wore my hair up in a winter hat, and had grown a beard. I paid for his meal that day when I left. At that point I was thankful for the intervention and the lesson.
My ex was untrustworthy. I didn't know he helped me figure it out.
She had tried to come back through the time they were together. I never replied. In the summer of 2012 the girl I'm with now moved back up from Florida to our home state to be with me. My ex tried again, and this time I said out of respect for your engagement to Chris and my new relationship, I think it's best we move on with our lives.
Haven't heard from her since.
I won't say I wasn't angry, or didn't have thoughts of ending my life. Those were some incredibly dark days, but in the end I can say I recovered and am doing really great!
Had I had gone another route I might be sitting in a prison cell, or in a lying in a casket.
I think I made the right decision...
You made the right decision bro. You dodged a streetwalker.
@@spookrockcity - Sure did!
So glad we never had children.
They hypocrisy of Christians isn't as interesting as it used to be. Since it's so common. That goes for both of you...
Twisting the knife, some women are evil.
Like that old saying goes. Once a cheater, always a cheater. once hoe always a hoe...
All this forensic testing and security cam footage sure is making it harder to get away with murder.
Seems like that’s a good thing
He didn't want to get away with it. He was done with life just like kira is now.
That’s one good thing about technology… and we could still have this protection with decentralized cameras (without the China system of government control through surveillance/facial recognition/zero privacy or freedom.)
It's vexing, indeed.
Yes that's why we don't have serial killers any more
*"Not premeditated" is rather subjective here. She was cheating on him and he knew it. I bet he played that scene out a thousand times before he finally did it. Fine line.*
You throw out the trash, you don't kill it.
He did, dumped her ass right in da river
One time, my coworker got involved with a married man. Then, the wife of the man found out and came to our workplace screaming and demanding that my coworker come outside and deal with her. We had to lock our office doors and the wife started looking at all our cars as if she was trying to find my coworker's to smash. Our building manager went out there and got her to leave. It was frightening and could have put us all in danger if it had gotten more serious.
Another time I went on a date set up by a friend. Found out towards the end of the date that the guy was still legally married, but apparently" getting a divorce very soon." Nope! I left right then and there and never talked to him again.
Don't cheat and don't commit murder - it's that simple. 🤷♀
And friend is no friend......thank you
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Good that you got out of the situation on your date. I had a married guy hit on me, who was a salesman that I had over because I needed a water softener system. He was the cousin my realtor at that time. I called him out on it and refused to even go there. I cut off all communication. Business and the like. No thank you! It's cases like this that really help me be aware.
I'm also glad your coworker's wife left without incident.
There are many things in life I don't understand. One of them is why people seem to think murder is good life choice for them. Another is why people stay in relationships that they aren't committed to.
They stay for the same weak-willed reason they cheat. These are people who need a bridge to leave a relationship. They will bring all of their weaknesses to the next relationship because they are not able to work on their partnerships, and in all likelihood, will cheat again.
It’s incredibly disrespectful what she did. Obviously it doesn’t mean she deserves to die but it doesn’t surprise me that someone would fly into a rage. Clearly a crime of passion. Texting someone else while you’re on a date with someone , because you’re planning a divorce anyway. She was incredibly selfish and stupid , and he was violent , lots of trouble in thd relationsupp just not a good combination
Clearly her risk assessment skills weren’t particularly impressive.
Dr . Grande , that little white dog in you video is adorable. Great video, I really enjoy your videos. Thanks and keep up the great job . You are the best .
Wow. She sounds like a terrible woman. Good riddance.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about what could be happening in a mall like the "Mall of America' like this.
That's odd I thought he always diagnosed people
"Im not diagnosing anybody in this video, " only diagnosing EVERYBODY in this video 😂😂😂
@@teamworld4802 I know you’re probably joking but diagnosing takes a long ass time. Took multiple psychs over 10 years to mail my diagnosis
I can confirm: it's like a mall, but only bigger.
@@Bob-jm8kl I always suspected!
" It's like a mall, only bigger." 😂 Dr Grande cracks me up with that dry humour.
Ikr!
To be fair, it does have a theme park inside. Roller coasters and all. So there's that.
@@rabd3721 We all got Dr. Grande (AND Peter Boyle) going as they gave hints of their dry humour, and we posters DEMANDED MORE.
Anger, hatred and all other negative emotions go away with time but the stupid acts committed in a fit of rage stay forever.
"Drug dealers are not known for maintaining an outstanding safety record" -Lol!🤣😂 Am I the only one that found that funny??! ......Thanks for another great video Dr. Grande!
his comedic approach is always spot on
Usually though, folks who “deal” marijuana aren’t known for murder. It’s not a high stakes drug like cocaine. As a WA resident where marijuana is legal to buy and use responsibly there’s even less violence associated with this particular drug. Marijuana remains much less dangerous than alcohol and even less dangerous than energy drinks. Just saying…🤷🏼♀️
I do love Dr. Grande’s sense of humor! He’s got a real knack with dry humor. I love this guy’s videos!
Dr. Grande dropped at least 4 chuckle moments for me. The deadpan delivery is top notch.
Marijuana can cause paranoia
It's hard for me to have any sympathy for a cheater.
I agree
Don't ever slight a man
@@williammcneill2753or a woman
Nowadays, Cheaters are portrayed as victims, judicial system also portray cheaters as victims, how crazy our society is becoming.
In this case, I believe Jeff was a true victim. Lack of morality is so shocking.
Yup
Don't get married if you can't control your lust and aren't serious about being committed to your spouse.
For jealousy is the rage of a man: therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance.
Too many people want to have their cake and eat it too. This woman wanted the money and her toy boy. She miscalculated the actions of a desperate man. His anger got the better of him and her conceit her killed. Both should have considered the do unto others rule.
@@jamesparlane9289 Well said. Things could've been worse with the husband having the other guys address...he may have been planning to kill them both. Other guy got away with no reproach.
@jamesparlane9289 "This woman wanted the money and her toy boy"- what money? Jeff wasn't exactly Elon Musk! I bet she made most if not all of their money.
@@gailmiler2797 Many women want to hang about until they have their exit plan, including whatever money they can get all set up before they exit. In this case she was trying to be in two relationships at the same time. That is not a fair or, as it turned out, a safe strategy. She is now dead forever. Others need to learn from that. Thinking is a start.
Don’t get married if you can’t control your anger if you’re cheated on. Don’t get married or in a relationship if you can’t handle someone breaking up with you. Cheating IS wrong in most cases (spare the abused people who seek love and help to get out) but murder is a moral crime that is MUCH WORSE.
Do you think women have a right to murder their cheating husbands as well? The way you think now makes you not qualified for any relationship.
I lived in Minneapolis through most of the 90's. Ironically, the only time I'd go to Mall of America was to go to Sears, lol. I miss Sears. And K-Mart.
Hey Jason I've heard other Minnesota folks say they actively avoided going to that mall.
Come to Australia or New Zealand! We have K-Mart!! Admittedly not quite the same......different corporation. But we adore K-Mart in both countries; my son's girlfriend gets facial twitches in my house cos she works at K-Mart p.t & our house is full of it.
It's not American anymore.
@@kathyflorcruz552 apple pie is British.🤷♂️
Before we hear about this terrible, brutal murder that I am about to talk about, let’s hear a word from my sponsor 😂
Once again, the best part is your dog wanting to check out your Hungryroot shipment! Thanks as always, Dr. Grande.
So true !!
For fucks sake if you don't wanna be with your spouse any more than just leave them. Even if you're married at least tell them you want a divorce and leave them formally before doing it. If you don't show any respect to anyone and do shit like this, this shit can happen. This is one of the worst forms of betrayal.
I certainly wouldn't vote guilty on that jury. 'Reasonable doubts.'
I don't disagree that cheating is absolutely horrible, but a man just murdered his wife, her mother, their children, and himself after the wife filed for divorce in Utah. I think that was within the past week. There's no way to know if you opt to leave a relationship that you will leave with your life, regardless of how you go about it. It's a scary world we live in.
Hopefully you’re referring to the murdering and not the cheating.
@@aboultbee1 I'm referring to the cheating, but I'm not using that justify the murdering, I'm simply saying it's a selfish thing to do, and it's understandable why the person you're cheating on would want to destroy you. You're having a great time but they're miserable because you betrayed them.
Agreed, no justification for murdering anyone but if a spouse is unhappy in a marriage and wants to move on, just leave before cheating and letting the situation ever escalate to this point. Nobody ever deserves to be murdered but given his clumsy attempt at covering it up it was of course an act caused by his out of control emotions at the time. If she simply left him before starting a relationship with someone else she would probably still be alive. And to the husband, just own it, lying to the cops just double his prison sentence. The conversation between him and his attorney discussing the evidence the way Dr G put forth would of been interesting to listen in on…
I think this case speaks to the power of emotions. They were both victims of their own uncontrolled emotions and while doing so they caused tremendous pain to one another. Sad case.
Thank you for the excellent analysis, Dr. Grande.❤
Yes, so important to learn how to control our emotions; not stifle them but be aware of them and if they are overwhelming seek help or they will shipwreck you.
Only one of them is dead however. We've all been victims of cheating spouses. Reacting like this is not right or justifiable.
Cheaters are shlitbags and nothing else.
Great points about affairs and end of marriages. Volatile emotions are usually present if one or more parties feel betrayed. Thanks Dr G😊❤️💙
Your dog! So cute!
I’ve had many times that I’ve could have cheated on my wife with extremely beautiful women, however I am committed and if I wanted to cheat on her, I would 1st discuss why I feel that way, and if it cannot be settled, then move forward with divorce before causing adultery. If your a good person, you’ll do what is right!
Lol
yea right you don't even put together sentences like a man that attracts beautiful woman lol bs
Were they “extremely beautiful “??? 🤣
I remember when this happened and followed it pretty closely. I don't understand where the large amounts of blood they found in the house came from? The only injuries Kira had that were on the autopsy report were a broken index finger and a small cut above her eyebrow. Neither would've bled enough to cause death or to cause the massive amounts of blood mentioned in the police report when the police searched the house a couple days after Kira went missing. Was it ever mentioned if Matt (the roommate) was closer friends with Jeff, or with Kira, or equally good friends with both? Because if he was better friends with Jeff than Kira, maybe he helped him cover up the crime or dispose of her body. I don't understand how he could've been home the whole time and heard nothing. I remember reading that since Kira's body was so badly decomposed, an exact cause of death couldn't be determined, but the experts thought she may have been smothered in her sleep. But that makes no sense because smothering wouldn't cause much, if any, blood. So how do you explain the "copious amounts of blood" that were found throughout the house, on the carpet cleaner, the bedroom, and blood in the shape of a human torso in the carpet? So many things don't add up and make sense.
Kira’s boyfriend probably would have dropped her at some point. I realize that emotions are high in these cases but Jeff should have separated from Kira. I’m sure that he now realizes that it wasn’t worth it.
Good morning, Dr. Grande!
An excellent summary of the events before and after Kira's murder.
And yes, I concur that Jeff was guilty of her murder. It's the old story of "If I can't have you, nobody else can."
Probably all of the texts to her boyfriend on their date night drove him over the edge.
I took Will training classes while my ex engaged in adultery. Eventually, I saw how absurd it all was and realized that I actually wanted the marriage to end. Even if I never loved again, I did not want that person in my life any longer.
Dr. Grande I will never get over your dog and how adorable he is. Is that one Maximus or was he a different pup?
That was Bella!
where's the dog?
@@lolahernandez6871 she’s in the commercial. She loves Dr Grande.
looking forward to hearing your comments on the 6 year old shooter from Newport News.
That's a easy one, very bad parenting, that's my opinion 😢👿
@@lynnu25 Santa must have brought him a hand gun? The gun lobbyists say 'arm the school teachers" The kid will say oops I slipped. There will be a South Park episode on it.
@@jamesparlane9289 maybe if schools were gun free zones that wouldnt haplen
@@nickyblue4866 Only decent honest non nutjobs follow the rules. Outlaws will not. The world is a sick place when you need to put in scanners to pick up 6 year Olds with guns.
@@jamesparlane9289 You’re the type of person who rants about “big oil companies” while 99% of everything you touch in your comfortable 21st century life is made from either oil or natural gas, or both.
10:52 I love it when this guy sprinkles deadpan comedy in the middle of these
It's surprising how seldom divorce ends in murder.
Why is it surprising to you? Do you have murderous intentions?
@@juneelle370 No, I don't have murder in my heart, but I don't trust my ex.
Why then did you say it was “surprising” that more of these situations don’t end in murder? Why does that surprise You?
@@juneelle370 Okay, I wasn't clear. What I meant was that there were times when my ex would have killed me if she'd had the chance. She lacks impulse control, and so do a lot of other people. If you want to see cold hatred in someone's face go to a child custody hearing.
Thank you for clarifying~ I was worried. Comment sections where men murder women are filled with blaming the woman like she deserved it! And the reverse situations only have the rare comment of the man deserving it. It’s scary and wrong! I can understand wanting to scream, throw things, cry, vomit, run away and a dozen other things if cheated on-it must be extremely painful and emotionally confusing--still violence is never the answer! Violence makes this world so gross~I hate it! Hope you find your real, forever love 💜
Good Morning on early Monday morning, Dr. Grande!
Watched your Bryan Kohberger video, read the entire affidavit, came back to TH-cam & you upload a new video. Perfecto 👏🏼
I did too. I'm working on the time line.
I'm not convinced that he did it. Well I'm hoping he pull a rabbit out of a hat.
It is nice to see Dr Grande smiling , even if it is during a commercial
This. It was almost frightening… as if he was going to kill his food 😂
I can't be the only person who got a quick chuckle seeing Grande at the kitchen table with his meal, lol. Thanks Dr. This was a very interesting case.
Is that a bichon ?? My Snowflake passed away in 2017 and my heart will forever be broken !! Enjoy your pupper and do not take one moment for granted !! Blessed 2023 to you both !!
Cute puppy Dr. Grande!! Looks like a dog I had when I was a kid!!
Hi Dr. Grande…just discovered your channel. Really great information. I really enjoy how you break things down methodically, making it very easy to follow everything.
Keep up the great analyses!
Best, PS
The perpetrator always claims to "not have seen her since ..." and then the truth comes out!
Hello Dr Grande. Good to see you again at the helm.
I am from the Mpls MN area and I have to say that the Mall of America is eay more than a mall with upscale stores.
There are many reasonably priced stores, restaurants kiddie rides, interesting activities & local entertsinment.
Thank you for talking about this case.
As a native St.Paulite, to say the "MOA" is a tourist destination is an understatement 😂 Thank you for covering this local case, Dr. G.
Really sad story. Maybe as we get more tolerant of adultery in our society, we are forgetting that the consequences can be tragic.
Empowering women to leave their miserable partners long before they start affairs might be the answer. She looked like a vibrant woman next to her lifeless husband. Such men will kill anyway, with or without an affair.
@@Ran-33 She was a thrill-seeking narcissist who would have done this to her “new love interest” just the same. Sit down.
@@megamillionfreak she wasn't a serial cheater so she was in love with the new man and wanted to divorce her husband for him.
@@Ran-33 she should have kept her legs shut until she left her husband if that’s what she wanted.
@@Optics2024 yes and he should've kept his killing hands to himself. He didn't own her life.
Comprehensively sensible and sensitive presentation, the subtle stabs at humor appreciated as always, and challenging for considering what a sad grim deal it was.
You have a bichon frisè. I had one, Sally, the one and only...she was 17 years old when she passed. I miss her so much.
Poor guy .
No sympathy for a cheater.
It’s NOT worth it. You lost your life. Over a Cheater. By now you could have found someone else. Found happiness. It’s never easy to move on, but you MUST…
She did not lost her life over a cheating incident she lost her life to a murderer who happened to be her husband who she clearly planned on divorcing
@@mpalmer7800 oh I’m sorry. Am I mistaken? She wasn’t cheating on her husband?
@@mpalmer7800 Found another cheater.
@@artkingofwholefoods74 Like that justifies murder? Maybe he was abusive and she couldn't leave since he was able to kill her.
@@artkingofwholefoods74 And who made you so bitter??!
:My wife spent 20 minutes in the bathroom at a steakhouse one night on a date night. she was talking to her boyfriend, I called her phone and no answer during that time. I wanted to kill her, but instead, i stuck her with the bill and divorced her soon after. The guy was a user and her life is still upside down 15 yrs later. I'm happy and living a very good life with our 4 children and new other.
The best voice on YT hands down!
(We got a bonus today too, Bella and the bunnies)!
Your "Dry Humor" often makes me ( laugh out loud) ! I appreciate that! Best CRIME STORY TELLER EVAAAH...🎉
She was waiting to see if things with the new guy would work out before bouncing from the husband...this is how it's done.
Yep. And the Husband Delivered Cheaters Justice.
It’s a bit terrifying that even when everyone knows about practically ubiquitous CCTV, they carry on with their violent crimes anyways.
Based on the video of them at Mall of America and the roommate not hearing any arguing I think when the light turned on he got her phone while she was sleeping and saw the texts she sent before and during their date and killed her in her sleep.
I live about 6 miles from the Mall of America. It's worth visiting at least once. It has some unique shops and entertainment. However, most locals don't go regularly, at least for shopping. It's not a place to get a great deal and there is no shortage of other malls in the Twin Cities.
St Paul girl here, I agree
Dr Grande...I've not watched the whole video yet but.
Dr Grande. Thank you for your videos! Your dry sense of humour and clever wit have helped me so much this year. I stumbled upon your channel off work in the weeks after losing my dad and then my Mum (I'm British) within a few months of each other suddenly. Both under 60yo. You've seriously given me a reason to wake up some days and I've learnt a lot about psychology from your analysis'. Thanks for your time and puns too😅 wishing your family a merry Christmas 🎉
Sincere condolences. When you lose both your parents, and for you over a short period of time, it’s a strange feeling. For me, apart from the obvious grief, it is like that familiar portrait you have of your family suddenly vanishes and you can’t ever get it back because now you are an orphan, regardless of how old you are. I hope the memories you have give you some comfort. ❤
If she don't clearly fully respect you then you can never trust her. If she's always giving you a hard time or talking down to you or always complaining or withholding sex she definitely don't respect you or love you and you should cut ties. There's always another one. You also have to look at why she doesn't respect you tho it goes both way. She don't have a right to cheat but you don't have the right to be getting complacent and not taking care of her. You need to maintain a deep strong bond, people don't stop having needs after you been together for a certain amount of time. How things were in your first year or two should stay that way until you're not old enough to screw anymore.
He’s a violent murderer, it’s certain he was abusing her in the marriage. No wonder she was afraid.
This ladies and Genlemen is a real man. Pay attention. Men/ Women need to to take partial responsibility for their partners cheating- it's your job to maintain excitement/ effort regardless if it's the first day or the 10,000 of a relationship.....They had to move to Bloomington so the husband could find work. That's one sign of him not having his shit together
Dr grande have you done vids on the Cohasset disappearance? We are really worried about her 😢
Her husband was just arrested for "misleading the investigation", in other words, lying to the police.
He should have emptied the accounts divorced her and made his life better. Never base your life around someone else
Just wanted to reach out and thank you Dr. Grande. Love your content and your statistics videos contributed to distinctions in my MSc clinical neuroscience reports. Wishing you a brilliant 2023 x
Dr. Grande, Your ads (like this one for "Hungerroot",or whatever it was , are the best ads in the TH-cam business). They are Honest. and I appreciate that. Thanks for not treating me like a moron..
Another excellent Tales from the Crypt episode 👍
I knew a woman who was stuck in an unhappy marriage with a man who bullied and controlled her. He would not let her go to work and rarely let her go out so she had no money or support structure of her own for her to be able to just leave. She met another man who treated her with love and respect and cheated with him before leaving her husband. He then stabbed her in the throat and killed her before hanging himself. Leaving their four adult children without parents (one was only 18). People seemed more sympathetic to him than her just because she cheated. But people don't ever seem to ask themselves why people cheat. Not everyone who cheats can just leave. But they still desire emotional and physical intimacy and affection. It's a natural human urge.
excellent response.
when men cheat, they are “dogs”. when women cheat, their needs arent being met and the man is at fault again. this woman had 4 adult children with the man but didnt know what his reaction would be to cheating? she made her bed.
@@0bservationist I agree that men cheat for the same reason usually, their emotional or physical needs aren't being met. I didn't say one gender was more acceptable to cheat than others. She made her bed? So because she sought affection from someone who didn't bully and control her she asked to be murdered? I'd rather be cheated on 1000 times than be murdered just once. Being cheated on bruises your ego. Get over it and move on. It's no where near as bad as murder. But a lot of people seem to be motivated by their ego and insecurities so can't stand the thought that their partner needed to find satisfaction elsewhere and get very defensive whenever cheating is the topic.
@@darkwoods1954 when breakups happen, men stand to lose MUCH more. and im not talking about money (although that would be valid too) usually women can find a partner instantly, if they didnt have one lined up even before the breakup, whereas men, it could take years, or maybe it will just never happen. So what I'm saying is, when a women wants a clean break, she should take her chance and go. dont dawdle, dawdling can be deadly.
I will never forget a guy I knew years back, his wife was having an affair, he confronted her, she screamed that her lover wanted her to leave him, and she was tempted, this guy had already packed her bags whilst she was out with lover boy, he shoved her in the car with her bags and dropped her off at the BF house, he wouldn't have her, she came back begging for forgiveness, too late the doors were locked. He never took her back.
That my freind is what you call KARMA, justice lol!
Am I the only one that's oddly obsessed with this channel. Dr. Grande has this weird noncharismatic charisma that just draws me in. Hes like, dry and monotonous but not in a boring way, if that makes sense. I could literally watch this guy all day and I don't know why lmao
Look at you with the jokes… I’m impressed. I’m not even being sarcastic “it’s like a mall only bigger”
Love these late night posts😀
It’s always every time of day. This is the Internet, not your town.
@@icturner23 thanks Jim