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Bahahahahahaha yea the peds and roids sure have Jones an edge. Jones shouldn't be able to compete at all imo. ANY fighter testing positive. Should be fucking banned for life
Otherwise here a better idea. Which would guarantee, a sort of higher degree, caliber of fighter. Legalize all drugs. C'mon man, you dont want to see diaz connor 3 and they both been binging on meth for 4 months? Along with roids and peds? It would be a fucking barn burner of a fight lol
@@spitty3456 most fighters on the toster would be banned then. Especially those who who have been in the sport for a while. People don't realuse how rampant ped use was, especially in the early dayd up to only 5/10 years ago.
People are talking about "height" when they should be talking "size" as in size of the frame. Mark Hunt was also "short" but build like freight train and KOed Struve, who was feet taller than him. Hendricks is for example "short" for middleweight, but also has heavy frame. On the other hand Adesanya would get murdered in heavyweight division despite being like 6 foot 3 inches.
Jones is living proof that height and reach matters, lol. This dude's arms can reach you from half way across the cage. But I guess there's also a law of diminishing returns because if you look at Struve or Hong-man Choi, the excess size becomes a detriment.
@You Cant Take My Smile So you call him a loser cause he stated a fact? Insecure much? They had to work hard and come up with proper style to be effective. I forget the guys name, but he was fighting recently, very good wrestler - but he's very very short for middleweight, he lost his last fight. He would do really well by moving down to lower weight class.
You guys are toxic fuck. Grow up. DC at the very least is short for heavyweight and is also unbiased considered one of the greatest of all time. With disadvantage comes adaptation.
You Cant Take My Smile one was an eyepoker and another only fought washed up fighters. They're far from great. Id put Jon Jones, gsp, nick diaz, khabib, frank Mir, and Max Holloway over those two clowns.
Chael forgets to mention that Billy Robinson taught catch in Japan while doing pro wrestling and most likely that is the source of Sakuraba's catch wrestling background during pro wrestling.
@@jaythanoats4039 dc is listed as 5’11 but has said himself thats how tall he is with his best shoes on (so thats about an inch and a half or two inches taller), So dc is around 5’9 according to his own statement..
It depends if you know how to utilize it correctly. A fighter like Stefan Struve who’s 7 ft tall with an 84 inch reach could be a force at HW just by picking guys apart from a distance, but he gets knocked out by shorter guys on the regular. Same with James Vick, 6’3 at lightweight/welterweight. On the other hand you have someone like Jon Jones who utilizes his physical gifts like his reach and height to big brother his opponents in the cage, and we all know how well that works for him.
Lol DC is generously listed at 5'11 but more like 5'9" - 5'10" and was LHW and HW champ...and what about what many call the goat in Fedor? Generously listed at 6'0" and everyone knows his accolades
In fairness, Fedor aged much worse than his taller colleagues because he relied so much on his speed and explosiveness. Mirko, at about 6’1”, had a similar problem. By 34-35, both of them were pretty much shot. Now, DC and Mark Hunt have both aged better, but they both have much better chins and in DC’s case world class wrestling. Point being, if you’re not quick enough to close range or sturdy enough to take punishment, you’re gonna have trouble against longer, rangier guys, and more as you go on and you slow up a bit.
somebodyonce toldme Great observation on DC. DC is 5’10 barefoot max. He’s most likely a 5’9 1/2- 5’9 3/4 barefoot guy though based on him being almost the exact same height as Khabib who is slightly under 5’10 barefoot. Yeah the 5’11 listing is blatantly high but there’s been worse like Midget MAC at 5’10 years ago now 5’9 when everyone knows he’s 5’8 1/2 max barefoot, or essentially every prominent featherweight and lightweight over the last decade. Then you have the legend Nate Diaz who is maybe the only 🐐 level guy in the UFC’s history with a reverse listing where he’s always been 6’1 barefoot and they usually list him at 6 feet flat. GSP also once listed at 5’11 when he’s not even 5’10 barefoot. All 3 major sports NFL, NBA and now the UFC supplanting baseball need to measure their athletes live on air before every season to make sure the public gets their genuine heights down to the 1/8 of an inch. 💯
and i mean sure kelvin gastelum may have lost to israel but that fight was a pretty competitive with a 7 inch height difference. also andy ruiz looked pretty short against anthony joshua.
There are a couple more exceptions to the height concept, Frankie Edgar was extremely successful at 155 pounds even though he was always significantly smaller than his opponents. A more recent example has been Alex Volkanovski’s matchup against Holloway, Holloway was 5 inches taller but Alex was able to get inside and keep things where he wanted it to be with relative ease.
Height don’t matter. Mark Hunt ko’ed Stephan Struve. Jon Jones uses his reach great...minus the eye pokes. If a fighter can use his reach/size they’d be killers. Jones uses his reach brilliantly. Look at mike Tyson. He killed taller fighters.
You're feeble minded. Mark beating stephen struve was an exception, not a rule. In your mind if something happens 1 time out of 100, then that means its a 50/50 chance and all things are equal. So height doesnt matter in basketball either then because mugsey bouges waa 5'3" and spud webb was 5'5". Good luck with your toddler logic lol. And allen Iverson was only 6 foot tall. These are called exceptions buddy, not rules. Quite the opposite
@@wesleyhempoli5548 Lol for real. What a weak argument from Drew. Yes there are exceptions but overall Height obviously matters...this isn't rocket science!
Cormier, Gastelum, and even Demetrius Johnson are great examples of being short for their weight class and still winning. Height matters but you can overcome it and even make it a disadvantage if you know what you're doing
In my opinion, usually height advantage also leads to reach advantage. And while I don't think it matters a whole lot, once you're looking at a fighter having 4+ inches of reach advantage. It's definetly an advantage, being able to probe and use poking strikes, to keep your opponent at range. Forcing them to push in to have the opportunity to connect. But with all that said, I think as far as advantages go, I put reach pretty low on the scale. For example I think if one fighter has 4 inches of reach, but no real wrestling skills. And the other fighter with the 4 inch disadvantage has wrestling. I personally find the wrestling matters more than the reach.
@You Cant Take My Smile I attended both a Jiu Jitsu gym as an adult. And did judo from 8-14. Never competed you're right in that. Dunno what your point is though? Because we've never competed we can't offer our opinion? I'm sure you've only ever made statements about things you've done to the highest level in your personal life right? I'm sure you've never made a comment about science or politics without either going to school, or participating in those fields as a profession? Since, if you've not done it to your fullest you should just keep your mouth shut. Just from a debate point. I say reach is an advantage but not a big one. Another person says reach is a big advantage. You discredit us both, what's your stance here? It doesn't matter at all never gave a fighter an edge? Or you agree with one of us but just want to be a cunt?
@You Cant Take My Smile hes just saying its an advantage man i dont think hes saying height is that much of a big deal. Look at mike tyson, cejudo etc. There are so many more things important than height. Having reach advantage is just like having good flexibility, good explosiveness, good work ethic etc. Just having reach and nothing else gets you nowhere *looks at stefan struve*
@@user-vp9xn3wb7v with grappling sure but, I highly doubt he'll be able to land very well on such a tall guy. Short height and short reach for that division. It's why he never called out Max Holloway but keeps calling out Alex Volkanovski
Yes, height can matter. If both opponents have equal reach but one is 6'3" and the other 5'6" its gonna seem like there is a reach diff because of the striking angles you have to use. Also, it is common for taller people to have that reach advantage which can matter if used properly. I think a good example would be Jon Jones vs Cormier. Jon had a 3 inch reach and 5 inch height advantage and he did well to keep the appropriate spacing for striking. Then in the clinch he was able to effectively use that height an reach to strike from good angles with knees and elbows. Alexander Volkov is another good example of someone who effectively uses his height and reach advantage with technique in a division filled with sluggers.
I'd like to see an episode on dirty fighting, especially since refs rarely deduct points. Maybe discuss common dirty techniques and examples when they were used and how it impacted the fight result.
Another example is Kevin gastelum who is in the middleweight division being 5’9 (some argue he’s even shorter being 5’8 or 5’8 1/2 tops) and even though he is no world champion without a doubt he holds his own in that weight class.
IDK if you can say there's no advantage to reach. I remember when everyone was complaining about Jon Jones' reach advantage someone on sherdog pointed out that almost every dominant champion had a significant reach advantage over their opponents even if they were viewed as non-strikers. GSP has a freakishly long reach for a smaller guy. People who are positive ape index tend to be freakishly strong regardless of reach or striking prowess.
Mark Hunt 5'10 ko d Stephan struve 7 ft Jeff Monson 5'8 with over 60 wins at heavyweight D.C. Is only 5'10 matt Serra 5'6 170 champ etc. it just depends if the shorter fighter can implement their strengths and not let the taller man implement theirs. But it's obviously a challenge and is better if u are similar in height to opponents
Yasuyuki muneta was a 5ft 6 inch judoka and he weighs in at 287lbs and he was one of the greatest heavyweight and he defeated guys well over 6ft and also defeated a 6ft 9 inch judoka
Height/reach is like wrestling you can chose how to fight, if your the better wrestler you can choose to strike or grapple, if you have the booger reach you can either strike out at a distance or brawl close together
It truly depends on the fighter. 5'8-5'9 Latifi at heavyweight sucks. 5'9 DC is perfect for heavyweight. 5'9 Hendricks at middleweight sucks. 5'9 Gastelum at middleweight is a beast.
In comparison to Mike Tyson (5ft 10) Rocky Marciano (5ft 10) Roy Jones Jr(5ft 11) Jack Dempsey (6ft 1) Joe Frazier (5ft 11) Joe Walcott(6ft) All of them count to the greatest heavyweights that entered the ring period. Tommy Burns became to this day the shortest Heavyweight Champion with just 5ft 7. To say that height matters in a fight is wrong because short people having success is common. There are advantages for short fighter and tall fighter. There is a reason why we go for weightclasses and not for heightclasses. I dont know about mma tho, just wanted to make it sure since u took mike tyson as a example that you are wrong about it.
Chael I would like to see a video of you talking about weight cutting. For example I don’t really under stand why guys who normally weigh around 200 pounds; why do they often cut weight and fight in like a 180 or lower category? Of course I understand that less weight can make the fighter faster but I don’t really see why 2 guys that weigh 200 on a normal day would both cut down weight just for 2 days.
Height and reach does help obviously but it's not quite as important in MMA as in boxing because in MMA we can mix it up. It's still an advantage almost all fighters want though
Johnny Hendricks was juiced up his whole career. Poetically when he went up, he was clean, and got utterly destroyed and humiliated by someone who is juiced up, Paolo costa!
In heavyweight division I believe mark hunt is the shortest at 5’10” and Struve is the tallest at 7”. Hunt beat Struve, but hunt is 13-14-1 and Struve is 33-12-0. Struve never fought for the title but he dies have a win over Miocic.
If every fighter that fought Jon Jones was the same height with the same arm length Jon Jones would’ve lost to more than just Gustafsson 1 guaranteed 100% no doubt about it, period.
0:05 “hey Chael. I was wondering. Is there any validity to the argument that people who record vertically are mentally challenged ? Chael: 0:57 yes. Absolutely
The first guy saying "a lot of people thought Latifi won that fight" LOL....naw man.....Latifi hugged his ass the entire time didnt do shit when he got a take down didnt land more than 10 strikes
Yeah they are more height classes however when you are a thick guy you don't want to lose too much strength. Which is why guy's like Shaun Sherk didn't fight at 135. Guy's like Max Holloway and Nate Diaz can fight at weight classes smaller than you'd expect because they are really skinny. So there are exceptions but if you are tall for the weight class you are usually skinny while if you are thick you have a reach disadvantage.
Mma olympics- winner takes all, ufc vs bellator vs rizin vs one,,,, every single champion fights,,, they fight 2x each, each card has 2 fights for each division, the winners are crowned double promotional champ's, Afterward you bring em in for the most epic staredowns ever in the cage with all 4 belts draped over their shoulders, Then you finish up with the most important title fights in history, And crown a 4 promotion world champion in each division And have them officialy stated as standing champion in all 4 promotions
There is the Greek kickboxer Mike Zambidis who is 167 cm but he is vicious. Mind you that is kickboxing, not MMA. But Tyson was a boxer, not an MMA fighter.
You can be a tall guy with skinny frame and you can be a short guy with thicker frame. Look at canelo he’s 5’8 fighting and knocking out 6 footers just because his frame is wider and he packs power
«Small» fighters for their weight class: DC, Mark Hunt, Fedor, Romero, Volkanovski, Latifi, Melvin Manhoef, Sokodju(?), Gohakan Saki, Ray Sefo, Joe Fraizer, Roy Nelson
How Sakuraba beat the Gracies: beat them on the feet, shoot for takedowns and then disengage. Forget passing the guard. When on the ground, ride and strike instead of hooks and back take. Always try to turtle and get up instead of playing guard. When his turtle was body locked, he employed the double wrist lock and they didn't know how to deal with it. (BJJ scout video on Saku vs Renzo).
Media Thor this is the only “tony Ferguson the type of guy” type comment that is actually true and it sounds just as ridiculous as all the others but is rock solid, written into the history books
MMA on point did an in depth study using various factors and found that height makes no real difference in whether a fighter wins or not. Sounds strange I know but they studied it the numbers don't lie. Go watch the video it's kinda interesting. There are many, many examples.
Anoyne noticed how average height for each weight class changed over the years? Back in the day guys at lightweight were often 5'6 or 5'8, now most of them are taller and a lot of short guys moved down. That also goes for muscle mass to some degree, just compare Matt Hughes (considered a huuuge welterweight back then) to Kamaru for example.
I think height matters only if you are a striker, if u are a good wrestler you can be short (like DC) but if ur a good striker being short will hinder you
DC answered this question. Stipe is 5 inches taller. Fighter IQ does come into play. If they do 3 I wouldn't be surprised if DC won. I also wouldn't be surprised if Stipe bodies Jones.
Height matters, but what really matters is knowing how to use it for your advantage. Daniel Cormier is basically the same height as Ilir Latifi, but DC knows how to close the distance a lot better and became the heavyweight champion. Stefan Struve is 7 feet tall and doesn't know how to fight from the outside. Meanwhile Jon Jones is a master at fighting on the outside while having the same reach, despite being shorter. Physical attributes only matter as much as how you use them.
DC is an obvious example. He is shorter than almost every HW and LHW and he just steamrolls dudes... I wrestled for 10 years and did some training in Muay Thai and BJJ, so I have SOME experience in fighting...on top of that I used to drink a lot and I am part Irish so I have been in lots of fights both sanctioned and unsanctioned...and I noticed that height has many advantages but it also has many disadvantages. Namely, if youre taller, that can be "wasted" weight that could be muscle for that weight class. On top of that, with two equally experienced and skilled guys, USUALLY the taller guy is gonna be easier to use offense against. There are obvious advantages too, but thats my other example.
I feel bad for the guy. Good ground game, incredible reach, not that bad at striking - but he could do soooo much better. Plus, he gets kicked in his balls too much. Poor Stefan.
Just some heavyweights in combat history Mike Tyson 5'10 One of the greatest Daniel Cormier 5'10 One of the greatest Fedor 5'11.5 One of the greatest Rocky Marciano 5'10 One of the greatest Joe Fraizer 5'11.5 One of the greatest
Tony ferguson the type of guy to make height before a fight.
Awesome comment lol
Well done.
Five years from now you guys will still find value in that tired comment.
Lol, doesn't make sense
Shane Carwin was the height cutting GOAT
"I see holes in donuts" - Daniel Cormier
You’re not even trying are you?
Steven Sullivan bahahahahaaa
cry now laugh later it’s effortless for this guy
Cormier is an example
Fat fuck dwarf not a champ
Fans: Ask a question
Uncle Chael: Answers his own question
No one answers Chael’s questions better than Chael.
drz only chael knows the answers to Chaels questions
Chael: "Reach wont help you in a fight.."
Jon Jones' reach: "Hold my Recuerdo.."
Are you sure the steroids didn't have anything to do with that.
Bahahahahahaha yea the peds and roids sure have Jones an edge. Jones shouldn't be able to compete at all imo. ANY fighter testing positive. Should be fucking banned for life
Otherwise here a better idea. Which would guarantee, a sort of higher degree, caliber of fighter. Legalize all drugs. C'mon man, you dont want to see diaz connor 3 and they both been binging on meth for 4 months? Along with roids and peds? It would be a fucking barn burner of a fight lol
@@spitty3456 most fighters on the toster would be banned then. Especially those who who have been in the sport for a while. People don't realuse how rampant ped use was, especially in the early dayd up to only 5/10 years ago.
“Hold my juice bottle” triple J aka Jon “juice” Jones
Chael: thinking of example of fighters considered “short for their weight class”
Chael: Mike Tyson
DC: Am I a joke to you?
People are talking about "height" when they should be talking "size" as in size of the frame. Mark Hunt was also "short" but build like freight train and KOed Struve, who was feet taller than him.
Hendricks is for example "short" for middleweight, but also has heavy frame.
On the other hand Adesanya would get murdered in heavyweight division despite being like 6 foot 3 inches.
Chael is 6'1" and proved that you can overcome a height disadvantage when he became the greatest heavyweight and greatest p4p fighter of all time
He s 6ft
Chael only competed at heavyweight a few times because his oppenents would get too scared of the size of West Linn's biggest arms.
@Allen Macall google is the most innacurate shit ever
Allen Macall almost every ufcs fighters height is inflated
Tony Ferguson the Type of guy to read the terms and conditions and decline
Wasabiking 420 interestingly enough, that’s something that should be more normalized
@@FMafia206 exactly
Tom the spammer y are u spamming thomas?
Stop fucking stealing jokes
Wasabiking 420 stolen comment
Tony Ferguson the type of guy to find out Khabib’s phone number and constantly share his location with him
Lowkey not bad, ill give u a like lol.
Knowing that khabib can’t make it. Lol. Like a lion locked in cage and a dog challenges him to a fight 😂
@@mdm9096 so the "lion" locked himself in the cage 😂
@@o1h823 He was locked in that cage.
MDM
Lions dont dry hump dudes for 5 rounds straight. Khabib is boring.
Igor Vovchanchyn was 37-0 in heavyweight, he was 5'8.
@@abenezermulugeta1813 wth
He did
@@Lieutenantfollicle i think he meant ufc
Many of his fights were fixed
@@marcbasilno proof
@@furioushinzo1063 proof…? Go look at the organizations he competed in
Nobody:
Uncle Chael: "2+2 does not equal 4"
Me: ok great
Dostoevsky moment
2oz of water + 2oz of rubbing alcohol is a little under 4... Science class 7 grade
You Cant Take My Smile why are you calling him a simpleton? He was just making a joke about how convincing Chael is no matter what
@You Cant Take My Smile yo what's up Mr Big dick energy.
@You Cant Take My Smile when did I ever claim that, dumbass
Jones is living proof that height and reach matters, lol. This dude's arms can reach you from half way across the cage. But I guess there's also a law of diminishing returns because if you look at Struve or Hong-man Choi, the excess size becomes a detriment.
Living proof that career long juicing matter
No, struve and choi were just bad at fighting. But it is true, they lacked the athleticism to go with the size.
Razear Jones is a freak of nature.
@@ravenoushydra7948 Stipe Miocic begs to differ
DC beat Stipe. He could possibly beat him in a 3rd fight. Fighter IQ is really a big factor. DC would break Struve.
Daniel Cormier is a short heavyweight that made it work. This is why he is one of the best ever.
Hes also an eye poking dickhead
The heavyweight division in the UFC is very shallow tho
@@errolflynn7153 truuue
DC and Fedor are a little short for heavyweight.
Fedor over 6ft dc is 5'10. Fedor is average-ish
You Cant Take My Smile DC ain’t no goat
@You Cant Take My Smile So you call him a loser cause he stated a fact? Insecure much? They had to work hard and come up with proper style to be effective. I forget the guys name, but he was fighting recently, very good wrestler - but he's very very short for middleweight, he lost his last fight. He would do really well by moving down to lower weight class.
You guys are toxic fuck. Grow up. DC at the very least is short for heavyweight and is also unbiased considered one of the greatest of all time. With disadvantage comes adaptation.
You Cant Take My Smile one was an eyepoker and another only fought washed up fighters. They're far from great. Id put Jon Jones, gsp, nick diaz, khabib, frank Mir, and Max Holloway over those two clowns.
Latifi is short even for middleweight standards, so let me offer you this: bantamweight Latifi
Ghostface Killah flyweight mark hunt
Cejudo vs latifi next for the "shortest in their divisions" title.
He’s 5’10. How is that short for a middleweight?
@@AlphaQHard hes actually 5'8
look at hector lombard
Another example of a short heavy weight is D.C.
Lol challenge complete.
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Finally a Sakuraba question, for the real MMA fans
Chael forgets to mention that Billy Robinson taught catch in Japan while doing pro wrestling and most likely that is the source of Sakuraba's catch wrestling background during pro wrestling.
What…? Everyone knows who sakuraba is, he’s one of the most popular fighters in history
We’ve had a 5’9 HW champ
Who
@@jaythanoats4039 dc is listed as 5’11 but has said himself thats how tall he is with his best shoes on (so thats about an inch and a half or two inches taller),
So dc is around 5’9 according to his own statement..
It depends if you know how to utilize it correctly. A fighter like Stefan Struve who’s 7 ft tall with an 84 inch reach could be a force at HW just by picking guys apart from a distance, but he gets knocked out by shorter guys on the regular. Same with James Vick, 6’3 at lightweight/welterweight. On the other hand you have someone like Jon Jones who utilizes his physical gifts like his reach and height to big brother his opponents in the cage, and we all know how well that works for him.
Lol DC is generously listed at 5'11 but more like 5'9" - 5'10" and was LHW and HW champ...and what about what many call the goat in Fedor? Generously listed at 6'0" and everyone knows his accolades
And Jones is 6"9 easy
Whats the point?
Chael is 7 ft 7
In fairness, Fedor aged much worse than his taller colleagues because he relied so much on his speed and explosiveness. Mirko, at about 6’1”, had a similar problem. By 34-35, both of them were pretty much shot. Now, DC and Mark Hunt have both aged better, but they both have much better chins and in DC’s case world class wrestling. Point being, if you’re not quick enough to close range or sturdy enough to take punishment, you’re gonna have trouble against longer, rangier guys, and more as you go on and you slow up a bit.
This
I think DC is a legit 5'10 barefoot, idk why they list em at 5'11 sometimes.
somebodyonce toldme Great observation on DC. DC is 5’10 barefoot max. He’s most likely a 5’9 1/2- 5’9 3/4 barefoot guy though based on him being almost the exact same height as Khabib who is slightly under 5’10 barefoot. Yeah the 5’11 listing is blatantly high but there’s been worse like Midget MAC at 5’10 years ago now 5’9 when everyone knows he’s 5’8 1/2 max barefoot, or essentially every prominent featherweight and lightweight over the last decade. Then you have the legend Nate Diaz who is maybe the only 🐐 level guy in the UFC’s history with a reverse listing where he’s always been 6’1 barefoot and they usually list him at 6 feet flat. GSP also once listed at 5’11 when he’s not even 5’10 barefoot. All 3 major sports NFL, NBA and now the UFC supplanting baseball need to measure their athletes live on air before every season to make sure the public gets their genuine heights down to the 1/8 of an inch. 💯
Height means nothing Cejudo is 4’7” and he’s the champ
5'4
You Cant Take My Smile lol
@You Cant Take My Smile yeah all oly sprinters are midgets... smaller limbs = slower its literal physics.
@@clqliveson are u dumb 😂😂😂
@@clqliveson usain bolt is 6'5 ...
Tony Ferguson the type of guy to have a championship fight when there is no fight.
mr.tbaggin urmom Lol dude is fuckin wild though! I love him 🤷♂️
Yawnnnnnnnnn
He could still fight himself. It kind of sounds like he will.
Champ shit only
this hurt
Does height matter in MMA?
Chael P-“It’s a very real thing”.
Dc
Uhmm Mark Hunt who is barely 6 foot knocked out Stefan Struve who is about 7 foot tall🤷🏽♂️😂
He's barely taller than a kiwi
Doesn't matter
He'd F us all up
Respects to M Hunt
His fight with Bigbfoot is LEGENDARY
LOOK IT UP Y*O FUCK*
Oblivion Creety For heavyweight where the average height is 6’2-6’3, 5’10 is short
@Oblivion Creety yeah bro Hunto is 5 foot 10 inches, that's pretty short when Struve is 7 foot
and i mean sure kelvin gastelum may have lost to israel but that fight was a pretty competitive with a 7 inch height difference. also andy ruiz looked pretty short against anthony joshua.
Yeah Hunt had to jump up just to be able to reach Struve's face
I love how Chael is willing to talk about topics that is on everyone's mind but no one is willing to talk about. Uncle Chael is never wrong!
There are a couple more exceptions to the height concept, Frankie Edgar was extremely successful at 155 pounds even though he was always significantly smaller than his opponents. A more recent example has been Alex Volkanovski’s matchup against Holloway, Holloway was 5 inches taller but Alex was able to get inside and keep things where he wanted it to be with relative ease.
Height don’t matter. Mark Hunt ko’ed Stephan Struve. Jon Jones uses his reach great...minus the eye pokes.
If a fighter can use his reach/size they’d be killers. Jones uses his reach brilliantly. Look at mike Tyson. He killed taller fighters.
plus the eye pokes
You're feeble minded. Mark beating stephen struve was an exception, not a rule. In your mind if something happens 1 time out of 100, then that means its a 50/50 chance and all things are equal. So height doesnt matter in basketball either then because mugsey bouges waa 5'3" and spud webb was 5'5". Good luck with your toddler logic lol.
And allen Iverson was only 6 foot tall. These are called exceptions buddy, not rules. Quite the opposite
Minus the pokes its ehhh
Not so great
@@wesleyhempoli5548 Lol for real. What a weak argument from Drew. Yes there are exceptions but overall Height obviously matters...this isn't rocket science!
Love reach plus eye pokes equals title
Height matters: I’m sure there’s a Henry Cejudo joke there somewhere, let’s hear them pls.
DC is more of an outlier than cejudo
@@thishandleistaken1011 And Kelvin Gastelum
@C Box Is 5'7 considered as a manlet?
Miki Baznija
Kinda. Then again people call anything below 6ft a manlet so i wouldnt worry about it. Im 5’10 so I guess i fall into that category 😂
5'4 isn't short for bantamweight and Flyweight lmao.
Ilir is a thick tank of a man, there's no way his body will allow him to go to middleweight.
Tony Ferguson is the type of guy to *MAKE* height matter
Tony Ferguson makes height on every fight
Quick!!! Name a top 5 fighter on a win streak Tony Ferguson has beaten?
@HeckYeahMane Kevin "I want to fight Jon Jones at 165" Lee
@HeckYeahMane guess it turned out against himself 🤷♂️
Height doesn’t matter. We see Vegeta and Frieza beat up everyone in DBZ.
And Goku is only 5'7. Yet Piccolo, Cell and Super Buu, who are all over 6 foot, were made his bitch.
I'm 5'9 and going to make my debut at 170. My reach is 74 inches
Whats yer stage name??
I'm being serious!!
Ballistixx_2K Conor stats
Good luck my man
Good luck bro!
@@joseardila9895 ya lol. I thought that too. 😂 one day I thought about that and realized the comparison.
The Serbian fan has told me about a fight I need to see
Cormier, Gastelum, and even Demetrius Johnson are great examples of being short for their weight class and still winning. Height matters but you can overcome it and even make it a disadvantage if you know what you're doing
I mean most flyweights are around 5’3 dj isn’t short for his weight class.
Volkanovski did pretty well against Holloway at a five inch height deficit.
Volk has an unusually long reach. Like +7 on the ape index or whatever
In my opinion, usually height advantage also leads to reach advantage. And while I don't think it matters a whole lot, once you're looking at a fighter having 4+ inches of reach advantage. It's definetly an advantage, being able to probe and use poking strikes, to keep your opponent at range. Forcing them to push in to have the opportunity to connect. But with all that said, I think as far as advantages go, I put reach pretty low on the scale. For example I think if one fighter has 4 inches of reach, but no real wrestling skills. And the other fighter with the 4 inch disadvantage has wrestling. I personally find the wrestling matters more than the reach.
If you're shorter, you have to punch up. So, even if your reach is the same, effectively it is shorter.
@You Cant Take My Smile
I attended both a Jiu Jitsu gym as an adult. And did judo from 8-14. Never competed you're right in that. Dunno what your point is though? Because we've never competed we can't offer our opinion? I'm sure you've only ever made statements about things you've done to the highest level in your personal life right? I'm sure you've never made a comment about science or politics without either going to school, or participating in those fields as a profession? Since, if you've not done it to your fullest you should just keep your mouth shut.
Just from a debate point. I say reach is an advantage but not a big one. Another person says reach is a big advantage. You discredit us both, what's your stance here? It doesn't matter at all never gave a fighter an edge? Or you agree with one of us but just want to be a cunt?
@You Cant Take My Smile hes just saying its an advantage man i dont think hes saying height is that much of a big deal. Look at mike tyson, cejudo etc. There are so many more things important than height. Having reach advantage is just like having good flexibility, good explosiveness, good work ethic etc. Just having reach and nothing else gets you nowhere *looks at stefan struve*
Imagine Cory Sanhagen fighting Henry Cejudo.
George Roop vs. Cejudo
I think Cejudo would destroy Sanhagen
Cejudo would get inside and wrestle fuck him lol
@@user-vp9xn3wb7v with grappling sure but, I highly doubt he'll be able to land very well on such a tall guy. Short height and short reach for that division. It's why he never called out Max Holloway but keeps calling out Alex Volkanovski
Sandhagen almost lost to lineker so id say size wouldnt make that fight against cejudo
Yes, height can matter. If both opponents have equal reach but one is 6'3" and the other 5'6" its gonna seem like there is a reach diff because of the striking angles you have to use.
Also, it is common for taller people to have that reach advantage which can matter if used properly.
I think a good example would be Jon Jones vs Cormier. Jon had a 3 inch reach and 5 inch height advantage and he did well to keep the appropriate spacing for striking. Then in the clinch he was able to effectively use that height an reach to strike from good angles with knees and elbows.
Alexander Volkov is another good example of someone who effectively uses his height and reach advantage with technique in a division filled with sluggers.
I'd like to see an episode on dirty fighting, especially since refs rarely deduct points. Maybe discuss common dirty techniques and examples when they were used and how it impacted the fight result.
"reach is not that relevant"
Jon Jones "hold my mezcal"
Hold his bag of coke
Hold my PEDs
You said offer you another example besides Mike. What about D.C? He's only 5'10 and won the heavyweight title
thomas burns DC sucks
Height and reach don't matter if you go in close and low. You may have to force your way in in a bad way, but once there, the domain is yours.
Another example is Kevin gastelum who is in the middleweight division being 5’9 (some argue he’s even shorter being 5’8 or 5’8 1/2 tops) and even though he is no world champion without a doubt he holds his own in that weight class.
IDK if you can say there's no advantage to reach. I remember when everyone was complaining about Jon Jones' reach advantage someone on sherdog pointed out that almost every dominant champion had a significant reach advantage over their opponents even if they were viewed as non-strikers. GSP has a freakishly long reach for a smaller guy. People who are positive ape index tend to be freakishly strong regardless of reach or striking prowess.
Does height limit your full potential?
*David and Goliath story* ✅😲
Bro I see your comments everywhere
@SilverSurfer My man David with the 3rd round TKO. No doubt.
Old dude asking about the special sauce you know he got a mean rib rack cooking out back
Rocky Marciano had the or one of the shortest reaches out of any heavyweight champion.
Mark Hunt 5'10 ko d Stephan struve 7 ft Jeff Monson 5'8 with over 60 wins at heavyweight D.C. Is only 5'10 matt Serra 5'6 170 champ etc. it just depends if the shorter fighter can implement their strengths and not let the taller man implement theirs. But it's obviously a challenge and is better if u are similar in height to opponents
Being short can be an advantage. The hardest people I've sparred are short stocky types. there so fucking hard to take down
DC is 5'9½ and he was double champion at LHW and HW
Yasuyuki muneta was a 5ft 6 inch judoka and he weighs in at 287lbs and he was one of the greatest heavyweight and he defeated guys well over 6ft and also defeated a 6ft 9 inch judoka
This is so true... All of the 30 opponents that triangled Chael were at least 6 feet tall.
Height/reach is like wrestling you can chose how to fight, if your the better wrestler you can choose to strike or grapple, if you have the booger reach you can either strike out at a distance or brawl close together
It truly depends on the fighter. 5'8-5'9 Latifi at heavyweight sucks. 5'9 DC is perfect for heavyweight. 5'9 Hendricks at middleweight sucks. 5'9 Gastelum at middleweight is a beast.
The only thing that matters when it comes to fighting is if Uncle Chael fines you good looking or not. ;o)
In comparison to Mike Tyson (5ft 10)
Rocky Marciano (5ft 10)
Roy Jones Jr(5ft 11)
Jack Dempsey (6ft 1)
Joe Frazier (5ft 11)
Joe Walcott(6ft)
All of them count to the greatest heavyweights that entered the ring period. Tommy Burns became to this day the shortest Heavyweight Champion with just 5ft 7. To say that height matters in a fight is wrong because short people having success is common. There are advantages for short fighter and tall fighter. There is a reason why we go for weightclasses and not for heightclasses. I dont know about mma tho, just wanted to make it sure since u took mike tyson as a example that you are wrong about it.
Chael I would like to see a video of you talking about weight cutting. For example I don’t really under stand why guys who normally weigh around 200 pounds; why do they often cut weight and fight in like a 180 or lower category? Of course I understand that less weight can make the fighter faster but I don’t really see why 2 guys that weigh 200 on a normal day would both cut down weight just for 2 days.
Height and reach does help obviously but it's not quite as important in MMA as in boxing because in MMA we can mix it up. It's still an advantage almost all fighters want though
Mike tyson would disagree, and Andy Hug the best k-1 heavyweight fighter is also only 5.11
@@munakay6914 Your point is? there are obviously exceptions but for the most part its better to have it.
@@devanman7920 I dont think excepts, there is a lot more than just the rare example. Look at Volkanovski for example.
Chael is living proof that a 6,1 frame with the biggest arms in all west Linn Oregon can have the best takedown offense in history
Guy from serbia just been told straight facts from the goat sonnen
Johnny Hendricks was juiced up his whole career. Poetically when he went up, he was clean, and got utterly destroyed and humiliated by someone who is juiced up, Paolo costa!
Have you guys heard of Kevin gastelum and mike Tyson? Height absolutely does not matter if you have skill, but it does help
How much does girth matter? I know it helps in the JJ game
In heavyweight division I believe mark hunt is the shortest at 5’10” and Struve is the tallest at 7”. Hunt beat Struve, but hunt is 13-14-1 and Struve is 33-12-0. Struve never fought for the title but he dies have a win over Miocic.
minecraftliberal2009 I’ve never heard of Latifi before now.
Sakuraba is still fighting?! Wow! I remember his knee being taped up so much even in 2004
Deron win is 5 ft 6 in and fights at middle weight! Guy doesn’t cut weight at all he fights pretty good
He got destroyed in his last fight.
How good was Evan Tanner? And any good stories of him????
Height doesn't matter per say. Strength and reach do. So the 'per say' is height is usually accompanied by strength and reach.
If every fighter that fought Jon Jones was the same height with the same arm length Jon Jones would’ve lost to more than just Gustafsson 1 guaranteed 100% no doubt about it, period.
Who do you think he would of lost to?
He lost to Reyes as well.
0:05 “hey Chael. I was wondering. Is there any validity to the argument that people who record vertically are mentally challenged ?
Chael: 0:57 yes. Absolutely
Reach is relevant when neither fighter uses wrestling, like izzy vs costa. izzy had an 8" reach advantage and its impact was clearly visible
Was it clearly visible when he faces Kelvin???
@@lbishop0811 i said that it's relevant, not the sole deciding factor. Also, Izzy did win that fight
Frankie Edgar was “too” small for lightweight and he was a definitive champ
The first guy saying "a lot of people thought Latifi won that fight" LOL....naw man.....Latifi hugged his ass the entire time didnt do shit when he got a take down didnt land more than 10 strikes
I’ve been saying for years.
I WANT TO SEE A UFC ROYALE RUMBLE
Thats a gimmick fight i’d pay to see.
Tito tapped!!!!!!!!
Roberto Duran is another example as well as mike
Daniel Cormier would be a good example..But another one would be the guy that beat Max Holloway for the belt . Style Benders teammate
Gastelum, Hunt, DC, Penn, Edgar there are lots of exceptions to that... They are all champs or contenders too
Dwight Muhammad Qawi was 5′ 5½″ and he was a very skilfull heavywieght.
Yeah they are more height classes however when you are a thick guy you don't want to lose too much strength. Which is why guy's like Shaun Sherk didn't fight at 135. Guy's like Max Holloway and Nate Diaz can fight at weight classes smaller than you'd expect because they are really skinny. So there are exceptions but if you are tall for the weight class you are usually skinny while if you are thick you have a reach disadvantage.
Mike tyson , Daniel Cormier , fedor , randy couture , Dan Henderson , vitor belfort , rashad evans ,
Mma olympics- winner takes all,
ufc vs bellator vs rizin vs one,,,,
every single champion fights,,, they fight 2x each,
each card has 2 fights for each division, the winners are crowned double promotional champ's,
Afterward you bring em in for the most epic staredowns ever in the cage with all 4 belts draped over their shoulders,
Then you finish up with the most important title fights in history,
And crown a 4 promotion world champion in each division
And have them officialy stated as standing champion in all 4 promotions
There is the Greek kickboxer Mike Zambidis who is 167 cm but he is vicious. Mind you that is kickboxing, not MMA. But Tyson was a boxer, not an MMA fighter.
You can be a tall guy with skinny frame and you can be a short guy with thicker frame. Look at canelo he’s 5’8 fighting and knocking out 6 footers just because his frame is wider and he packs power
Daniel Cormier was just 5'10" and he is double champion in light heavyweight and heavyweight
Sakuraba also had those awesome unorthodox strikes. The double ear clap. The flying foot stomp to the face. So dope.
«Small» fighters for their weight class: DC, Mark Hunt, Fedor, Romero, Volkanovski, Latifi, Melvin Manhoef, Sokodju(?), Gohakan Saki, Ray Sefo, Joe Fraizer, Roy Nelson
Here are a few examples
Mike Tyson 5’11
Mark Hunt - 5’10
Fedor 6’0
Daniel Cormier - 5’11
Roy Nelson - 5’11
How Sakuraba beat the Gracies: beat them on the feet, shoot for takedowns and then disengage. Forget passing the guard. When on the ground, ride and strike instead of hooks and back take. Always try to turtle and get up instead of playing guard. When his turtle was body locked, he employed the double wrist lock and they didn't know how to deal with it. (BJJ scout video on Saku vs Renzo).
Tony’s the type of guy to make weight for a fight that’s cancelled.
Media Thor this is the only “tony Ferguson the type of guy” type comment that is actually true and it sounds just as ridiculous as all the others but is rock solid, written into the history books
MMA on point did an in depth study using various factors and found that height makes no real difference in whether a fighter wins or not. Sounds strange I know but they studied it the numbers don't lie. Go watch the video it's kinda interesting. There are many, many examples.
Anoyne noticed how average height for each weight class changed over the years? Back in the day guys at lightweight were often 5'6 or 5'8, now most of them are taller and a lot of short guys moved down. That also goes for muscle mass to some degree, just compare Matt Hughes (considered a huuuge welterweight back then) to Kamaru for example.
Matt Hughes was always huge though.
I think height matters only if you are a striker, if u are a good wrestler you can be short (like DC) but if ur a good striker being short will hinder you
DC answered this question. Stipe is 5 inches taller. Fighter IQ does come into play. If they do 3 I wouldn't be surprised if DC won. I also wouldn't be surprised if Stipe bodies Jones.
Height matters, but what really matters is knowing how to use it for your advantage.
Daniel Cormier is basically the same height as Ilir Latifi, but DC knows how to close the distance a lot better and became the heavyweight champion.
Stefan Struve is 7 feet tall and doesn't know how to fight from the outside. Meanwhile Jon Jones is a master at fighting on the outside while having the same reach, despite being shorter.
Physical attributes only matter as much as how you use them.
DC is an obvious example. He is shorter than almost every HW and LHW and he just steamrolls dudes...
I wrestled for 10 years and did some training in Muay Thai and BJJ, so I have SOME experience in fighting...on top of that I used to drink a lot and I am part Irish so I have been in lots of fights both sanctioned and unsanctioned...and I noticed that height has many advantages but it also has many disadvantages.
Namely, if youre taller, that can be "wasted" weight that could be muscle for that weight class. On top of that, with two equally experienced and skilled guys, USUALLY the taller guy is gonna be easier to use offense against.
There are obvious advantages too, but thats my other example.
Stefan Struve seems to try to prove that height doesn't matter by not using any of his natural advantages.
I feel bad for the guy. Good ground game, incredible reach, not that bad at striking - but he could do soooo much better. Plus, he gets kicked in his balls too much. Poor Stefan.
Just some heavyweights in combat history
Mike Tyson 5'10 One of the greatest
Daniel Cormier 5'10 One of the greatest
Fedor 5'11.5 One of the greatest
Rocky Marciano 5'10 One of the greatest
Joe Fraizer 5'11.5 One of the greatest
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You challenged me to give another example. Daniel Cormier
DC is another example of a large height difference but large success