The nomadic Steppe pastoralist cattle herders ( low caste Shudras) arrived in 1500bc, mixed and merged with the native AASI to create the ANI wth Steppe ancestry until 100AD. The Vedic Aryan culture (different from the Steppe influenced ANI culture) arrived and introduced Endogamy in 100AD practise to prevent the Vedic Aryans from mixing with the extensively mixed native ANI population
The indigenous urban IVC fron 2600bc to 1900 bc ended relocated to the east and south india. See the 'great bath' of mohun ja daro replicated in the rural temple ponds/tanks all over tamil nadu, south india.
Even you can see the same culture in northern Indian and most likely you guys are not aware your propaganda is now exposed because rakhigari dna proofs your propaganda wrong
The Rakhighari DNA has to be discussed in detail. IVC is not Vedic. In Rig veda there is no sign of urban life. Rakhighari woman's DNA is similar to the living " Irula " tribes of Tamilnadu. Worship of Elements like Fire, Water etc is universal . It doesn't mean that it is Vedic. In short, the long lecture falls short of established scientific approach. Mahabarata itself is a retold story of " Battle of Ten Kings ". No amount of digging would bring out the " bone of contention ", I mean " horse bone " .
Ancient black tamilians were mlecchas they were civilised by Rishi Agastya even he taught tamils to tamilians. Saptasindhu Region was always belonged under vedic peoples Saraswati, Sindhu, sutudri, purushni these are sanskrit names not tamils the names of the rivers helped us to understand the actual inhabitants of that areas. Rakhigarhi DNA signified that the ancient times northern and southern people shared same DNA. Brahui people are more closer to Northern people genetically and they hardly moved 1800 or 1700 years ago from southern part of India.
@kuru6212 If Agatsya taught Tamil to Tamilians, with whom he was talking, Tamil to? Or do you mean to say Tamil was created by one man agatsya ? How did he teach tamil and how Tamil spread ? Vedas have a lot of versus which exaggerate reality, speak a lot of gibberish or BS, and there is big propaganda that they are indian knowledge.
Temples are not mentioned in RgVeda so we cannot rule out that northern Harappan culture is actually a RgVedic culture. If Kalibangan and other such sites have fire altars that is an evidence of connection between these two tradition.
The Indigenous, urban harappan civilization and the rural Vedic Culture are distinctly seperate in time, histories and origins . One is not similar or a continuation if the other.
In 500 years everything changed. India had new gods before only Shiva and Mother Goddess and a tree. language changed like writing in Sanskrit before its Harappa script. Eating habits changed introducing brahmin and vegetarian If it's continuous why has everything changed???? Some tribes from the West changed everything maybe they are Refugees from the West because of the Yamanaya Tribe
There must be connection between peoples from Asian steps and start od Vedic culture. Hore, architecrure, veapon.... a lot findings from steps show Vedic culture.
The great Bath replicated in temple ponds/tanks in tamil nadu. Jallikatu history in thr Indus Mukopadyays analysis of the lamguage. Pi pilu pallu for ivory.teeth etc.
The harappan Civilization with 5 million unhabitants wound up in 1900bc and evacuated the valley. Further they migrated east and south and.in due course mixed with native hunter gatherers and bwcame the ASI Male biased rural Steppe pastoralist migrated into the indo gangetic plain on horseback in 1500bc. The male biased groups entered the plains and mixed with native hunter gatherers to be known as the ANI the PGW
Have you guys done DNA test yourselves. Disha would have Zagros & some Aryan in her, while the host has Austoasiatic or Tibeto-Burman. Of course on the maternal side, both would have some Indus dna. Lots of genetic variety in this vid itself.
When you are analyzing history, you cannot say anything with absolute certainty!! Basically, you will not be able to connect all dots. In this context, you are analyzing it using linguistic, archaeological and genetic evidence. There will always be points supporting each theory, either supporting Aryan migration or OIT. I will always go with the theory where most of the dots are connected than the other one!! The problem with Indian analysts is they are extremely biased. After all biasness is bigger pandemic than Covid and exists for a long time in India! Nobody recognizes it though!
It appears the Indus Valley was entirely abandoned in 1900bc as a strategic response to an imminent invasion by warring horseriding Andrenova/Sintashta/Steppe cultures. The unexpected evacuation preempted the invasion. Subsequently the IVC it seems continued east and South of India mixing with the native hunter gatherers and becoming the ASI. The IVC lay abandoned for 400 years until pastorolist from Europe and Central Asia settled the valley bringing new language religion and the Vedic age. Other male biased groups it appears❤moved into the indo gangetic plain and mixed with the native hunter gatherers giving origins to the AN.
Disha Ahluwalia displays a surprisingly superficial knowledge of the Aryan Migration theory and her expounding on that sounds surprisingly foolish. Based on that i have not watched the rest of her video/videos at all. Hope she matures much quickly otherwise increasingly she will sound out of touch with the world
@@adityanarayan5434 In her opening remarks till 13:00, Disha says she does not believe in the AMT. She corelates AMT with the colonial mindset which is pretty weird for the current day and age. She is effectively implying that thousands of scholars over hundreds of universities, countries, governments (democratic, authoritarian, leftist, rightist) and disciplines are effectively having a colonial mindset when they are currently veering around to the AMT in terms of explaining the populating of India by Vedic Aryans. She is treating the terms invasion and migration as same in some of her statements which is absurd. She is totally ignoring: the role of linguistics study, modern genetic studies (human and horse studies), climate study, climate changes over millenia, geology study, Asian and European archaeology studies. That’s why I am saying she is surprisingly superficial and is sounding very very foolish.
@@nirvanabliss73 many experts have denounced Aryan theory. They are saying that slow migration happened everywhere but there was no invasion or dominating event.
Very Very Very long-winded questions and answers. Both, the interviewer and the interviewee have trouble with English. Why couldn't they discuss in Hindi?
The nomadic Steppe pastoralist cattle herders ( low caste Shudras) arrived in 1500bc, mixed and merged with the native AASI to create the ANI wth Steppe ancestry until 100AD.
The Vedic Aryan culture (different from the Steppe influenced ANI culture) arrived and introduced Endogamy in 100AD practise to prevent the Vedic Aryans from mixing with the extensively mixed native ANI population
I would like to know how you will explain the great differences in time geography and outside influences
One thing is certain that the composition of the vedic hymns can be attributed to the great visvamitra and his sons
The mass of the hymns were composed after visvamitra s time probably in many parts of North India
The indigenous urban IVC fron 2600bc to 1900 bc ended relocated to the east and south india. See the 'great bath' of mohun ja daro replicated in the rural temple ponds/tanks all over tamil nadu, south india.
Even you can see the same culture in northern Indian and most likely you guys are not aware your propaganda is now exposed because rakhigari dna proofs your propaganda wrong
The Rakhighari DNA has to be discussed in detail. IVC is not Vedic. In Rig veda there is no sign of urban life. Rakhighari woman's DNA is similar to the living " Irula " tribes of Tamilnadu.
Worship of Elements like Fire, Water etc is universal . It doesn't mean that it is Vedic.
In short, the long lecture falls short of established scientific approach.
Mahabarata itself is a retold story of " Battle of Ten Kings ". No amount of digging would bring out the " bone of contention ", I mean " horse bone " .
Ancient black tamilians were mlecchas they were civilised by Rishi Agastya even he taught tamils to tamilians. Saptasindhu Region was always belonged under vedic peoples Saraswati, Sindhu, sutudri, purushni these are sanskrit names not tamils the names of the rivers helped us to understand the actual inhabitants of that areas.
Rakhigarhi DNA signified that the ancient times northern and southern people shared same DNA.
Brahui people are more closer to Northern people genetically and they hardly moved 1800 or 1700 years ago from southern part of India.
Spoken like a DMK habshi. All lies.
@kuru6212 If Agatsya taught Tamil to Tamilians, with whom he was talking, Tamil to? Or do you mean to say Tamil was created by one man agatsya ? How did he teach tamil and how Tamil spread ? Vedas have a lot of versus which exaggerate reality, speak a lot of gibberish or BS, and there is big propaganda that they are indian knowledge.
Enriching session.
One is sun kissed, other is chandini.
Damn deep thought. 😮
PGW is of Steope irigins. The harappab pottery would be black and red pottery.
When is Disha Ahluwalia's book coming out
Very very good discussion. Please do such type of discussions and debates on topics like Indian philosophy and different religious philosophy.
Bronze age APOCALYPSE 2000 BCE caused floods, draught, VITRIFICATION, Saraswati change of course and flow reverse.
Temples are not mentioned in RgVeda so we cannot rule out that northern Harappan culture is actually a RgVedic culture. If Kalibangan and other such sites have fire altars that is an evidence of connection between these two tradition.
Please do more sessions with her.
Will do!
The language of the hymns could have been of many origins the vedas contain even today words from many languages and regions
The composition of the latter hymns indicates a cultural upheaval probably leading to the caste system
The Indigenous, urban harappan civilization and the rural Vedic Culture are distinctly seperate in time, histories and origins .
One is not similar or a continuation if the other.
In 500 years everything changed. India had new gods before only Shiva and Mother Goddess and a tree. language changed like writing in Sanskrit before its Harappa script. Eating habits changed introducing brahmin and vegetarian If it's continuous why has everything changed???? Some tribes from the West changed everything maybe they are Refugees from the West because of the Yamanaya Tribe
The earlier hymns cannot be attributed to any historical ryshe and therefore they are attributed to mythical characters and
i dont understand why historians dont also discuss with genetic experts.
There must be connection between peoples from Asian steps and start od Vedic culture. Hore, architecrure, veapon.... a lot findings from steps show Vedic culture.
What findings can you say ? Or is it some speculation you are doing ?
The great Bath replicated in temple ponds/tanks in tamil nadu. Jallikatu history in thr Indus Mukopadyays analysis of the lamguage. Pi pilu pallu for ivory.teeth etc.
His date is tentatively around 167o b c e
The harappan Civilization with 5 million unhabitants wound up in 1900bc and evacuated the valley. Further they migrated east and south and.in due course mixed with native hunter gatherers and bwcame the ASI
Male biased rural
Steppe pastoralist migrated into the indo gangetic plain on horseback in 1500bc. The male biased groups entered the plains and mixed with native hunter gatherers to be known as the ANI the PGW
Vedic aryans were fish eating Brahmins who lived along saraswati river and migrated after saraswati dried up vedas were composed around 4000 bc
No that's such an inaccurate interpretation
No they lived likely in jurassic era and rode them.
Have you guys done DNA test yourselves.
Disha would have Zagros & some Aryan in her, while the host has Austoasiatic or Tibeto-Burman.
Of course on the maternal side, both would have some Indus dna.
Lots of genetic variety in this vid itself.
Gentics although a good marker will not be accurate cause of the constant migration so there would be intermingling between people.
@@abhishekchakraborty63 what is the even worse maker of lungistics lmao
Do you think people are going to watch 1 hr 33 min video ?
Crash course aur notes ka zamana hai, text book aur reference book mat padaoo!
Harappan writing system decoding can r'eveal real heritage: see Dr Gupta Harappan code 2024
Don't steal the Tamil culture Aryan was nomads shame upon you
When you are analyzing history, you cannot say anything with absolute certainty!!
Basically, you will not be able to connect all dots. In this context, you are analyzing it using linguistic, archaeological and genetic evidence. There will always be points supporting each theory, either supporting Aryan migration or OIT. I will always go with the theory where most of the dots are connected than the other one!! The problem with Indian analysts is they are extremely biased. After all biasness is bigger pandemic than Covid and exists for a long time in India! Nobody recognizes it though!
It appears the Indus Valley was entirely abandoned in 1900bc as a strategic response to an imminent invasion by warring horseriding Andrenova/Sintashta/Steppe cultures.
The unexpected evacuation preempted the invasion.
Subsequently the IVC it seems continued east and South of India mixing with the native hunter gatherers and becoming the ASI.
The IVC lay abandoned for 400 years until pastorolist from Europe and Central Asia settled the valley bringing new language religion and the Vedic age.
Other male biased groups it appears❤moved into the indo gangetic plain and mixed with the native hunter gatherers giving origins to the AN.
To ANI Ancestral North Indians.
But that doesn't explain the Sinauli excavations at all. Horse chariot has been dated to 2000-2200 BCE
Disha Ahluwalia displays a surprisingly superficial knowledge of the Aryan Migration theory and her expounding on that sounds surprisingly foolish. Based on that i have not watched the rest of her video/videos at all. Hope she matures much quickly otherwise increasingly she will sound out of touch with the world
Can you explain what knowledge you are hinting at ?
@@sadenb i didnt understand your question
What do you mean by superficial knowledge ?
@@adityanarayan5434 In her opening remarks till 13:00, Disha says she does not believe in the AMT. She corelates AMT with the colonial mindset which is pretty weird for the current day and age. She is effectively implying that thousands of scholars over hundreds of universities, countries, governments (democratic, authoritarian, leftist, rightist) and disciplines are effectively having a colonial mindset when they are currently veering around to the AMT in terms of explaining the populating of India by Vedic Aryans.
She is treating the terms invasion and migration as same in some of her statements which is absurd. She is totally ignoring: the role of linguistics study, modern genetic studies (human and horse studies), climate study, climate changes over millenia, geology study, Asian and European archaeology studies.
That’s why I am saying she is surprisingly superficial and is sounding very very foolish.
@@nirvanabliss73 many experts have denounced Aryan theory.
They are saying that slow migration happened everywhere but there was no invasion or dominating event.
Very Very Very long-winded questions and answers. Both, the interviewer and the interviewee have trouble with English. Why couldn't they discuss in Hindi?