Merci Xanaseb pour ce bel échange . Jan Dismas Zelenka (16 octobre 1679 à Louňovice près du Blaník en royaume de Bohême - 23 décembre 1745 à Dresde)1 est un compositeur bohémien de l'époque baroque. Avec le Père Černohorský, il est considéré comme le plus important compositeur tchèque de la période baroque. Le travail de Zelenka se caractérise par une utilisation avancée du contrepoint, des exigences extrêmes sur les techniques de jeu et de chant et par une grande ingéniosité et richesse d'imagination. Il est comparé aux plus grands compositeurs de sa génération, tels que Jean-Sebastian Bach2. Zelenka est parfois appelée « l'homologue catholique de Bach »3. Biographie Il est le fils d'un maître d'école et organiste de Louňovice, petite ville marchande au sud-est de Prague. On connaît peu de choses de ses jeunes années bien qu'on pense qu'il fut instruit au collège Saint-Clément, des jésuites de Prague où il aurait pu recevoir sa formation musicale. En 1709, il joue dans l'orchestre de la cour du baron (qui deviendra comte) Ludwig Joseph von Hartig1,4, gouverneur impérial de Prague. Il obtient en 1710 un poste de joueur de violone4 dans l'orchestre royal à la cour d'Auguste le Fort, roi de Pologne et électeur de Saxe. Sa carrière de compositeur s'amorce en 1711, quand il compose sa première messe, la Missa Sancta Caeciliae, ZWV 1. En 1715, il part étudier le contrepoint à Vienne avec le célèbre théoricien Johann Fux1 et, à Venise, travaille avec Antonio Lotti4. De retour de Vienne en 1719, hormis quelques voyages occasionnels à Prague et Varsovie, Zelenka demeure jusqu'à la fin de ses jours à Dresde4. À la fin de sa vie, il enseigne au théoricien Joseph Riepel (de). Mort en 1745, il laisse, à l'instar d'un Marc-Antoine Charpentier avec lequel il partage bien des points, une œuvre très importante en regard d'une biographie constellée d'inconnues. Aucun portrait ne nous est parvenu. Il est enterré dans l'ancien cimetière catholique de Dresde. Jean-Sébastien Bach l'estimait et le connaissait personnellement5. Bien que proche de celle de Bach par la forme, son inspiration est tout de même fondamentalement différente. Si le grand maître luthérien de Leipzig embrasse le monde de sa sérénité, son homologue catholique de Dresde navigue dans des eaux plus introspectives et passionnées, d'un grand génie dans l'expression émotionnelle, notamment par « son harmonie pimentée de tierces, de tournures modales, d'accords de neuvièmes et d'altérations troublantes quoique profondément expressives »6. Œuvres Article détaillé : Liste des compositions de Jan Dismas Zelenka. Zelenka a écrit plus de 200 œuvres, messes, opéras, concertos etc., répertoriées par Wolfgang Reich7.
A Czech composer who is absolutely exceptional and incomparable. His music elevates above others. It is about the genius of music beyond time and space and yet so close to the heart of a man without prejudice. Too bad a lot of his work wasn't found. Comparing him to Bach is an insult to both the great Zelenka himself and the better-known great Bach. Let us not compare with anyone and listen to the music of an underappreciated master such as the divine Jan Dismas Zelenka.
What a refreshing and crisp change from Western European composers, though great they all be. Such tremendous power in #Zelenka’s works. Sending love from #Australia to the whole world as we suffocate under a dreadful global plague that has dug not just countless graves & made countless pyres but bottomless oceans of grief. This ancient music revives us.
When I discovered Zelenka in 2017 I thought I had died and gone to heaven! Such magnificent music with real heart rending singing; simply beautiful in every way!
Zelenka è un grande compositore, in particolare di musica sacra. Con le messe oltre a raggiungere un alto grado di spiritualità, risultano anche dei geniali lavori compositivi. Questa messa più la si ascolta e più è fantastica.
JAN DISMAS ZELENKA ( MISSA PURIFICATIONIS BEATAE VIRGINIS MARIAE - ( ZWV 16 ) ORCHESTRE ENSEMBLE INÉGAL ADAM VIKTORA. Une merveille Soprano ténor basse Alto orchestre grandiose bravo compositeur apprécier de BACH et TELEMANN laisse dès oratorios des cantates sacrés œuvre religieux 22 messes quelque requiem un magnificat des hymnes des psaumes musique de chambre dont 6 sonates pour 2 hautbois et basson. Merci pour cette MISSA et ce moment avec ZELENKA qui est Eternel vidéo sublime.
Delighted to have chanced on this unique performance. Great composer! Superb sound quality and music interpretation. I just wish the performers could be seen.
Happy to hear your discovery. If you go to Prague then you may encounter them, especially if you go for the annual Zelenka Festival, usually held in mid-October, the date of the composer's birth
It's fair to say that Zelenka's work has become progressively more available during the last 50 years (or thereabouts), at least since the outstanding recordings of the trio sonatas for oboes and bassoon (performed by Heinz Holliger et al.), which I first encountered via BBC broadcasts in 1973-4. The current Wikipedia article on Zelenka summarizes advances in the availability of the composer's works. Besides superb recordings such as the one to which these comments are an addendum, publication of Zelenka's works has facilitated their dissemination, and there has been recent discussion about the possibility of starting a complete Zelenka edition, which would further move him into the 'mainstream'.
S'il y a bien un compositeur parmi cette myriade de "petits compositeurs" extraits de la poussière de l'oubli c'est bien Zelenka. Plus je l'écoute plus j'aime sa musique. Elle est vraiment très riche. On ne s'ennuie pas en l'écoutant...
Thank-you, no problem - my pleasure. However, I do need to update the historical information because I know now that it's not all completely accurate!! Especially the information about competition with Hasse - it turns out that they were actually very good colleagues, and that they respected each other very much. Also, Zelenka received considerable wage increases over the 1730s, and received a special job for Queen Maria Josepha to look after and archive her musical collection. I will update the information on all my videos some time soon, hopefully this year.
It is a wonderful piece - I wish I could disable the advertising, but TH-cam doesn't allow me to because it is 3rd party content (eventually some of the money generated should theoretically go to the record label...)! You could consider getting an AdBlocker for your internet browser which will cut them out.
This reminds me of some of Haydn's masses (e.g., the Mass number 3 in C major: 'Missa Cellensis in honorem Beatissimae Virginis Mariae', also spuriously known as 'Cäcilienmesse'). This is not surprising since, apparently, Haydn studied with Zelenka.
"This is not surprising since, apparently, Haydn studied with Zelenka." This is an outlandish claim. Haydn was born in 1732 and sang as a choirboy in Vienna from 1740 to 1749 (4 years after Zelenka died). There is no evidence that Zelenka travelled far from Dresden since 1723 (when he was in Prague) and certainly not to Vienna. Is it possible you are confusing Zelenka with Porpora (another very unfairly neglected baroque composer who indeed was Haydn's boss for a while)?
@@natanbridge Nothing very forensic.....but the brief curved minor key violin sequence after the start to the Kyrie had portents of Mozart's use of strings eg in the 40th and the presto of the Linz 39th.And the qui tollis ..of the fugue in the Requiem K626. ( Admittedly a" fugue is a fugue"!) Snippets for sure .....but what impresses are the varied elements exhibited...not unlike the energy in Handel's much earlier Dixit, and in some ways similar but more arresting than Bach's Easter Oratorio,and then with hints of Classical techniques to come?
23:07 Credo in unum Deum, Patrem omnipotentem, factorem caeli et terrae, visibilium omnium, et invisibilium et in unum Dominum Iesum, Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula. Deum de Deo, lumen de lumine, Deum vero de Deo vero. Genitum, non factum, consubstantialem Patri per quem omnia facta sunt. Qui propter nos homines et propter nostram salutem descendit de caelis. et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria virgine et homo factus est . Crucifixus etiam pro nobis, sub Pontio Pilato passus et sepultus est. Resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas et ascendit in caelum: sedet ad dexteram Patris et iterum venturus est cum gloria iudicare vivos et mortuos cuius regni non erit finis et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem, qui ex Patre, Filioque procedit. Qui cum Patre, et Filio simul adoratur et conglorificatur: qui locutus est per prohetas. Et unam, sanctam, catholicam, et apostolicam Ecclesiam. Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum et expecto resurrectionem mortuorum et vitam venturi saeculi. Amen.
Su imslp.org/wiki/Missa_Purificationis,_ZWV_16_%28Zelenka,_Jan_Dismas%29 ho trovato la conferma: è proprio così. L'inusualità è nella condotta di questa transizione, che è breve, non porta a cadenze sospese né sottolinea significati drammatici del testo. Ritroviamo in questa messa lo stesso "vezzo" anche alla fine del "Glorificamus te": due battute strumentali in re minore poco prima della fine di un lungo coro in re maggiore.: Haydn e Mozart useranno più volte passaggi del genere, ma qualche decennio dopo.
Ciao Orbilius Magister, son contento che hai notato anche tu la singolarità. Anzi, addirittura ne hai trovato la conferma scritta ! Devo fare anche io un pò di ricerche in tal senso, per esempio, nella riproduzione virtuale della missa Divii Xaverii ( sempre di Zelenka ), ho sentito dei passaggi nei quali i timpani erano usarti ancora transitoriamente in modo minore. Nell'edizione di Luks invece questi passaggi sono in modo maggiore ( sempre bello ma meno affascinante ). Ad ogni modo, concordo anche su come Zelenka abbia notevolmente scavalcato il suo tempo, anticipando il futuro (e non ispirandolo, visto che l'hanno imboscato subito dopo la morte ). A presto !
This sounds great, but what I can't understand is why Zelenka typically rushes through the Credo in this mass and several others as opposed to splitting it into several parts like he does with the Gloria. After all, the Credo has more text than the Gloria.
Zelenka has a tendency to make the Credo a elaborate and unified section unto itself, with a large section of text separated by transitions, rather than cadences, which makes them seem more compact than they would be without the format. Needless to say Zelenka (to our knowledge) never composed a Missa Tota, so probably why he never set the full text.
I am as hard an anti-theist as you can be. I look forward to a time when all religion has disappeared from human consciousness. Having said that, the fact that Zelenka is almost unheard of and rarely played on classical stations is one of the biggest tragedies in the history of music. I know why he created these pieces and what they are saying and i dont believe a word of it. But that is completely irrelevant to the fact that this music is transcendent (in the secular sense). It is amazing and should be known by all.
Soviet Union aimed to eliminate religion beliefs, too. So, if you think a little of what they were capable to do maybe you will think that the religion is not the problem, but the evil inside us, the nature of which Is investigated by religion from the very beginning. So religion won't disappear untill evil and suffering will disappear too .. and that will never happen 😅
![Jan Dismas Zelenka: Missa Dei Fili [ZWV 20] - Freiburger Barockorchester & Collegium Vocale Ghent](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yiCTzSF7CR4/mqdefault.jpg)
Merci Xanaseb pour ce bel échange . Jan Dismas Zelenka (16 octobre 1679 à Louňovice près du Blaník en royaume de Bohême - 23 décembre 1745 à Dresde)1 est un compositeur bohémien de l'époque baroque.
Avec le Père Černohorský, il est considéré comme le plus important compositeur tchèque de la période baroque.
Le travail de Zelenka se caractérise par une utilisation avancée du contrepoint, des exigences extrêmes sur les techniques de jeu et de chant et par une grande ingéniosité et richesse d'imagination. Il est comparé aux plus grands compositeurs de sa génération, tels que Jean-Sebastian Bach2. Zelenka est parfois appelée « l'homologue catholique de Bach »3.
Biographie
Il est le fils d'un maître d'école et organiste de Louňovice, petite ville marchande au sud-est de Prague. On connaît peu de choses de ses jeunes années bien qu'on pense qu'il fut instruit au collège Saint-Clément, des jésuites de Prague où il aurait pu recevoir sa formation musicale. En 1709, il joue dans l'orchestre de la cour du baron (qui deviendra comte) Ludwig Joseph von Hartig1,4, gouverneur impérial de Prague. Il obtient en 1710 un poste de joueur de violone4 dans l'orchestre royal à la cour d'Auguste le Fort, roi de Pologne et électeur de Saxe.
Sa carrière de compositeur s'amorce en 1711, quand il compose sa première messe, la Missa Sancta Caeciliae, ZWV 1. En 1715, il part étudier le contrepoint à Vienne avec le célèbre théoricien Johann Fux1 et, à Venise, travaille avec Antonio Lotti4. De retour de Vienne en 1719, hormis quelques voyages occasionnels à Prague et Varsovie, Zelenka demeure jusqu'à la fin de ses jours à Dresde4. À la fin de sa vie, il enseigne au théoricien Joseph Riepel (de).
Mort en 1745, il laisse, à l'instar d'un Marc-Antoine Charpentier avec lequel il partage bien des points, une œuvre très importante en regard d'une biographie constellée d'inconnues. Aucun portrait ne nous est parvenu. Il est enterré dans l'ancien cimetière catholique de Dresde.
Jean-Sébastien Bach l'estimait et le connaissait personnellement5. Bien que proche de celle de Bach par la forme, son inspiration est tout de même fondamentalement différente. Si le grand maître luthérien de Leipzig embrasse le monde de sa sérénité, son homologue catholique de Dresde navigue dans des eaux plus introspectives et passionnées, d'un grand génie dans l'expression émotionnelle, notamment par « son harmonie pimentée de tierces, de tournures modales, d'accords de neuvièmes et d'altérations troublantes quoique profondément expressives »6.
Œuvres
Article détaillé : Liste des compositions de Jan Dismas Zelenka.
Zelenka a écrit plus de 200 œuvres, messes, opéras, concertos etc., répertoriées par Wolfgang Reich7.
A Czech composer who is absolutely exceptional and incomparable. His music elevates above others. It is about the genius of music beyond time and space and yet so close to the heart of a man without prejudice. Too bad a lot of his work wasn't found. Comparing him to Bach is an insult to both the great Zelenka himself and the better-known great Bach. Let us not compare with anyone and listen to the music of an underappreciated master such as the divine Jan Dismas Zelenka.
They represent complementary styles with excellent command of their work.
What a refreshing and crisp change from Western European composers, though great they all be. Such tremendous power in #Zelenka’s works. Sending love from #Australia to the whole world as we suffocate under a dreadful global plague that has dug not just countless graves & made countless pyres but bottomless oceans of grief. This ancient music revives us.
Cannot agree more!
When I discovered Zelenka in 2017 I thought I had died and gone to heaven! Such magnificent music with real heart rending singing; simply beautiful in every way!
Zelenka è un grande compositore, in particolare di musica sacra. Con le messe oltre a raggiungere un alto grado di spiritualità, risultano anche dei geniali lavori compositivi. Questa messa più la si ascolta e più è fantastica.
JAN DISMAS ZELENKA ( MISSA PURIFICATIONIS BEATAE VIRGINIS MARIAE - ( ZWV 16 ) ORCHESTRE ENSEMBLE INÉGAL ADAM VIKTORA. Une merveille Soprano ténor basse Alto orchestre grandiose bravo compositeur apprécier de BACH et TELEMANN laisse dès oratorios des cantates sacrés œuvre religieux 22 messes quelque requiem un magnificat des hymnes des psaumes musique de chambre dont 6 sonates pour 2 hautbois et basson. Merci pour cette MISSA et ce moment avec ZELENKA qui est Eternel vidéo sublime.
Natural trumpets unison in the low register, awesome!
I cannot get enough of Zelenka. Inspired.
Welcome to discovering Zelenka. Check out jdzelenka.net and its forums if you want to find out more :)
I've bookmarked! thanx!
I hold Zelenka and Handel most precious, their music makes my heart weep with joy and extacy, much thanks for uploading.
The Agnus Dei 1 is very nice. Good Oboe accompanyment.
Solche Massen zeugen und wecken in der Seele grossartige segensreiche Kräfte tragend der Seele Freude. Tepper Michael.
Delighted to have chanced on this unique performance. Great composer! Superb sound quality and music interpretation. I just wish the performers could be seen.
Happy to hear your discovery. If you go to Prague then you may encounter them, especially if you go for the annual Zelenka Festival, usually held in mid-October, the date of the composer's birth
Another splendid piece of Zelenka. Thank you, Xanaseb!
compositore splendido e esecuzione emozionante
Thank you for publishing this and the rest of his work
No problem, I hope you enjoy discovering Zelenka!
It's fair to say that Zelenka's work has become progressively more available during the last 50 years (or thereabouts), at least since the outstanding recordings of the trio sonatas for oboes and bassoon (performed by Heinz Holliger et al.), which I first encountered via BBC broadcasts in 1973-4. The current Wikipedia article on Zelenka summarizes advances in the availability of the composer's works. Besides superb recordings such as the one to which these comments are an addendum, publication of Zelenka's works has facilitated their dissemination, and there has been recent discussion about the possibility of starting a complete Zelenka edition, which would further move him into the 'mainstream'.
S'il y a bien un compositeur parmi cette myriade de "petits compositeurs" extraits de la poussière de l'oubli c'est bien Zelenka. Plus je l'écoute plus j'aime sa musique. Elle est vraiment très riche. On ne s'ennuie pas en l'écoutant...
Asi soy yo es único Zelenka
! Soloist at this record are: Gabriela Eibenová(S), Hana Blažíková(S), Petra Noskaiová(A), Jaroslav Březina(T) and Tomáš Král.(B)
I d like to listen to this kind of music,all the day!Thank you Xanaseb!
Pleasure :)
Maestro Adam, fantastico lavoro.
Wunderschön zu hören 💕.....
Ich hörte ihn bis dato nicht
..interessante Biografie!
🤗🌺
Thank you, Zanasab, for the historical comments creating a context for the Celesti fresco, very well done. Bravo!
Thank-you, no problem - my pleasure. However, I do need to update the historical information because I know now that it's not all completely accurate!! Especially the information about competition with Hasse - it turns out that they were actually very good colleagues, and that they respected each other very much. Also, Zelenka received considerable wage increases over the 1730s, and received a special job for Queen Maria Josepha to look after and archive her musical collection. I will update the information on all my videos some time soon, hopefully this year.
Thanks for posting such great piece!
A pleasure :)
shocking, precious
Fantastica..
Un super genio Atemporal Universal Zelenka un genio como Johann Sebastian Bach...
Splendid 🙏🙏🙏
Fundamental and lovely!
Genio...
Sunday, 5 May '24
Ah, the blessed Zelenka and the unequaled Inégal!
Let us thanks the immortal gods.
- -
Gloria in excelsis deo
Hana Blažíková is also there as the second solo soprano.
This is the sort of music that made Mozart, and where he comes from
a masterpiece spoiled by advertising
It is a wonderful piece - I wish I could disable the advertising, but TH-cam doesn't allow me to because it is 3rd party content (eventually some of the money generated should theoretically go to the record label...)! You could consider getting an AdBlocker for your internet browser which will cut them out.
This reminds me of some of Haydn's masses (e.g., the Mass number 3 in C major: 'Missa Cellensis in honorem Beatissimae Virginis Mariae', also spuriously known as 'Cäcilienmesse').
This is not surprising since, apparently, Haydn studied with Zelenka.
"This is not surprising since, apparently, Haydn studied with Zelenka." This is an outlandish claim. Haydn was born in 1732 and sang as a choirboy in Vienna from 1740 to 1749 (4 years after Zelenka died). There is no evidence that Zelenka travelled far from Dresden since 1723 (when he was in Prague) and certainly not to Vienna. Is it possible you are confusing Zelenka with Porpora (another very unfairly neglected baroque composer who indeed was Haydn's boss for a while)?
@@graupner1345, I think you're right.
Interesting @graupna... some elements seem to presage Mozart to my ears.
@@shadbolt4687 Do you have a particular piece by Mozart in mind? Perhaps some of his church music - such as the Great Mass in C Minor?
@@natanbridge Nothing very forensic.....but the brief curved minor key violin sequence after the start to the Kyrie had portents of Mozart's use of strings eg in the 40th and the presto of the Linz 39th.And the qui tollis ..of the fugue in the Requiem K626. ( Admittedly a" fugue is a fugue"!) Snippets for sure .....but what impresses are the varied elements exhibited...not unlike the energy in Handel's much earlier Dixit, and in some ways similar but more arresting than Bach's Easter Oratorio,and then with hints of Classical techniques to come?
26:50 27:20
Such sublime beauty.
Thank you Xanaseb.
Where in the US would this be performed?
23:07
Credo in unum Deum,
Patrem omnipotentem,
factorem caeli et terrae,
visibilium omnium, et invisibilium
et in unum Dominum Iesum, Christum,
Filium Dei unigenitum
et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula.
Deum de Deo,
lumen de lumine,
Deum vero de Deo vero.
Genitum, non factum,
consubstantialem Patri per quem omnia facta sunt.
Qui propter nos homines et propter nostram salutem
descendit de caelis.
et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria virgine
et homo factus est .
Crucifixus etiam pro nobis,
sub Pontio Pilato passus et sepultus est.
Resurrexit tertia die,
secundum Scripturas
et ascendit in caelum:
sedet ad dexteram Patris
et iterum venturus est cum gloria
iudicare vivos et mortuos
cuius regni non erit finis
et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem,
qui ex Patre, Filioque procedit.
Qui cum Patre, et Filio
simul adoratur et conglorificatur:
qui locutus est per prohetas.
Et unam, sanctam, catholicam, et apostolicam Ecclesiam.
Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum
et expecto resurrectionem mortuorum
et vitam venturi saeculi. Amen.
30:00 HOSANNA IN EXCELSIS
A 0:15 c'è un colpo di tromba/timpano su un accordo in tonalità minore. Piuttosto raro !
Su imslp.org/wiki/Missa_Purificationis,_ZWV_16_%28Zelenka,_Jan_Dismas%29 ho trovato la conferma: è proprio così. L'inusualità è nella condotta di questa transizione, che è breve, non porta a cadenze sospese né sottolinea significati drammatici del testo. Ritroviamo in questa messa lo stesso "vezzo" anche alla fine del "Glorificamus te": due battute strumentali in re minore poco prima della fine di un lungo coro in re maggiore.: Haydn e Mozart useranno più volte passaggi del genere, ma qualche decennio dopo.
Ciao Orbilius Magister, son contento che hai notato anche tu la singolarità. Anzi, addirittura ne hai trovato la conferma scritta ! Devo fare anche io un pò di ricerche in tal senso, per esempio, nella riproduzione virtuale della missa Divii Xaverii ( sempre di Zelenka ), ho sentito dei passaggi nei quali i timpani erano usarti ancora transitoriamente in modo minore. Nell'edizione di Luks invece questi passaggi sono in modo maggiore ( sempre bello ma meno affascinante ). Ad ogni modo, concordo anche su come Zelenka abbia notevolmente scavalcato il suo tempo, anticipando il futuro (e non ispirandolo, visto che l'hanno imboscato subito dopo la morte ). A presto !
30:07
This sounds great, but what I can't understand is why Zelenka typically rushes through the Credo in this mass and several others as opposed to splitting it into several parts like he does with the Gloria. After all, the Credo has more text than the Gloria.
Zelenka has a tendency to make the Credo a elaborate and unified section unto itself, with a large section of text separated by transitions, rather than cadences, which makes them seem more compact than they would be without the format. Needless to say Zelenka (to our knowledge) never composed a Missa Tota, so probably why he never set the full text.
27:35 Contralto
39:40
Why does modern Catholic liturgical music have to be such shit?
But modern liturgy is not Catholic....
25:51 Pergolesi!
Pergolesi wrote his Stabat Mater a couple of years *after* this Zelenka's Mass was published. ;)
En meget pompøs og højtidelig musik med seriøs korsang.......
I am as hard an anti-theist as you can be. I look forward to a time when all religion has disappeared from human consciousness. Having said that, the fact that Zelenka is almost unheard of and rarely played on classical stations is one of the biggest tragedies in the history of music. I know why he created these pieces and what they are saying and i dont believe a word of it. But that is completely irrelevant to the fact that this music is transcendent (in the secular sense). It is amazing and should be known by all.
Soviet Union aimed to eliminate religion beliefs, too. So, if you think a little of what they were capable to do maybe you will think that the religion is not the problem, but the evil inside us, the nature of which Is investigated by religion from the very beginning. So religion won't disappear untill evil and suffering will disappear too .. and that will never happen 😅