I think Polaris has done an incredible job with the Indian line. I love my stunning 2019 Springfield. It is sheer pleasure to cruise all day on that bike.
hey @inasuc Indian Riders say other Indain Riders are nicer people .. sure lots of HD riders are nice too but many are A-hole dirty biker trouble causer types too. Bikers had a bad image back in the 1960's and 1970's so Honda had advertisemwnts saying you meet the nicest People on a Honda and now days you meet the Nicest People on an Indain ..
All manufacturers sell lifestyles. There is the Sportbike lifestyle, the neo-retro cafe / scrambler lifestyle, the moto-cross lifestyle, even the Grom lifestyle. That is how they market motorcycles and just about any other luxury item out there. Otherwise everyone would be riding a Honda 500cc bike, and driving a Nissan Sentra.
@@mikeskidmore6754 You are right on. I dumped my HD Slim for a Moto Guzzi Audace. Much better bike but one of the reasons was that I no longer wanted to be associated with the pirate crowd. They have done more to damage public's perception of motorcyclists than anything else I can think of. Honda's 'Nicest People" did a lot in the 60's to improve the image. In the 60's a lot of restaurants as well as other businesses had signs out "No Motorcycles". It seems that we are going back to that in some ways. Start with cracking down on loud exhausts. One business near me hasn't excluded bikes but made them park in an area that is very difficult on a bike.
Harley's snarky "Polaris" ad makes me wonder how many guys grew up dreaming of bikes that used to be made by a bowling equipment company. Who gives a sh*t who the parent corporation is? I want the better bike. And if I ride away with more money in my pocket so much the better. Neither company has been the real deal for over a half century. It really doesn't matter who happens to won the name now, does it?
No matter the product group, there will always be fanboys. Motorcycles, cars, computer parts you name it. If there is more than company making it, you better bet there is fanboys who will claim that the company they have is the absolute best bar none! And irrelevant stuff like facts that clearly shows it isn't won't bother them, they find a way to justify it. And if you try to tell them that its just a big faceless company. That at the end of the day they only care about profits and the shareholders, you are lucky if all they do is stop talking to you!
The one thing Indian is not capitalising on is just how much more rear suspension travel their bikes have and how this makes riding them a pleasure and not a sacrifice to god of ego for the sake of sticking to a name. I ride a Road King now but having ridden the new Indians, I would have to honestly say that Indian absolutely flogs Harley in the comfort and handling sectors and the power sector when talking about the Challenger, there is literally nothing in Harley's touring chassis range that can compete. To top it off, the only softail I liked (Fat Boy) is now so hard love.
Good thing he flashed all other other Brands of bikes that make a better Cruiser than HD too .. You have to give HD Credit for Genius marketing.. selling Turds with sprinkles as Tootsie Rolls..
Performance does not matter in the Bagger Category yet many HD Owners spend another $6,500.00 for a Stage IV kit to try and keep up with the Indian .. Still need to spend another $3,000.00 for better suspension too ..
@@hiposho68 If performace didn't matter why would HD sell so many Stage I II III and stage IV kits.. but now you can buy and Indian Challenger that will smoke all but a stave IV stock thus the Indian is way more bang for the Buck off the show room floor and already handles much better with much higher quality suspension componenenents ...
But even that $3000 will only buy you a set of ohlins, which admittedly help but won't fix the utter lack of suspension travel in the touring chassis HD's. The latest soft tails are ok but if you want the big bike with twin front brakes and aluminium rims instead of spokes and therefore tubeless tyres, then any big Indian will eat the Harleys.
I’m a retired Harley-Davidson mechanic and ride and own 13 motorcycles of all makes and to tell you the truth my Harley-Davidson’s never get out much, if the tough guy Harley-Davidson riders would just take off the blinders and try something different like I did they will find out there’s a big world of motorcycles out there, I ride coast to coast once a year and now do it on a 20 year old Honda Valkyrie that I paid $2000 for , just get out there and try a few different bikes you’ll be surprised
Years back after I wrecked my Fat Boy I bought a VTX 1800. My Harley riding buddies snickered and laughed but I didn't care. The Honda was maintenance free and so fun to ride. All of the sudden I was selling my harley clothes on craigslist and buying unbranded riding gear and saving money! I have a variety of bikes in my garage as well, there's too much to enjoy and not enough money and time.
Ha that’s funny, too much to enjoy and not enough time and money is for sure, I’m glad I did the Harley-Davidson thing with all the clothes and stuff but time to enjoy and stretch it out and ride, I always enjoyed riding but not as much as I am now on different motorcycles
In all honesty. Honda goldwing has been kicking Harley's bagger ass longer than Indian has. Now yamaha venture weighs in too. Harley getting beaten left right & centre. Looks like WWE tag team .lol
If you are looking for an economical bike, look for one built in India, Thailand, or China. Brand new bikes under $5000. Or buy a used Japanese made bike since they are built to go 200,000 miles.
@@G58, but there is still something about them. I do have a Rode Glide Special in my garage alongside my $3000 Van Van 200, and $4500 Royal Enfield Himalayan. :-)
Performance doesn't matter one bit? You'd better believe it does! The "performance bagger" segment of motorcycling is huge right now. The bike in this segment of motorcycling needs to have lots of power and torque, great handling, great brakes, and enough storage to take a decent road trip. The Challenger has just re-written the book on how this should be done on a stock bike. The good thing is that Harley will now have to step it up and we will see better bikes because of it.
One big problem with the Challenger, $30,000 and no trunk. Another $3,000 when it does come out. I am looking at a Honda dct, that covers all the bases.
@@busterbrown1686 have you looked at Kawasaki valcan? I was a Harley guy forever. Until they started to believe that a motorcycle is worth 30 k. I got a Valcan last year and love it and I dan hop on it now ride it around the world with only a couple oil changes and some tires.the bike is otherwise maintenance free. Adjusting the valve is a pain in the ass but every 15 k I can deal with that.
That Indian Scout Bobber is awesome! I traded in my 2009 Victory Vegas and bought the Bobber brand new off the showroom floor last summer. I absolutely love the bike, zero regrets here!
Went to the HD dealership 2 weeks ago to get a motorcycle, ended up buying a Indian scout from an Indian dealership. No regrets. My brother bought a Harley iron 1200, I have yet to hear someone compliment his bike whenever we ride together haha.
Happens all the time. Motorcycle rider group at the local university, buddy of mine has a dyna, soon as I pull up on my indian everyone would surround it and start admiring.
I had a Vic Cross Roads and loved it. Totaled it into a deer. I now have a Road King and love it too. Maybe if Indian comes out with a windscreen version I'll give one a try. I get a kick out of kids who think peak power is some meaningful metric. If you learn to ride, you won't require near as much power to run circles around the newbs...on any fun roads anyway. The brilliance of that tractor tech is it keeps the bikes simple. If you ride a lot, that's important. Valve adjustments get pricey. Changing oil now and then is reasonably cheap.
Indian does have a windscreen version... The Springfield is the direct competitor to the RK. You can also slap a screen on a Chief and get a bagless or soft bag version.
@@jaycarruthers8524 I know, but I meant with the Challenger engine. I'm not a big fan of the two valve heads. Too much oomph down low and not enough up top. I also thought their two valve engine ran hot.
Great point. When I was 18 I toured the country on my Honda CB250G5 with my girlfriend on the back. I fitted a top box and a pair of Rickman panniers that would have been perfect on a Triumph Bonneville. Today it seems that oversized is regarded as some imagined proof of status. But in reality, a Honda 125 Varadero has sufficient road presence to be safe.
I just purchased a challenger darkhorse. After test riding the road glide, street glide and cheiftain there really is nothing that compares with the challenger. Indian made me feel like family as opposed to harley Making me feel like I was lucky to join their club. That was just my experience and my opinion of course. As long as you're riding that is all that matters, but do your own home work and test riding and I'll shoot you a salute no matter what bike your on
I can't believe that I didn't come across this channel sooner. I'm riding an 05 Electra Glide and it hasn't failed start or get me to my destination. It shakes like an off balance washing machine at idle, but I honestly love the bike. That said, the all reviews for the Challenger have been epic, so next year assuming I can find one, I will pick up Challenger Limited even if its overpriced. Kudos to Polaris.
1:08 I had a slightly older version, a 1956 500cc Triumph T100 fitted out for touring. Wonderful bike, but those primary chaincase oil changes every 250 miles, those leaks, the electrical system ... Still, an unforgettable 10,000 miles as my wheels for three years as a student. The sound and feel of the 180 degree twin is to die for. Many years later I had a 1982 Honda GL500I Silverwing Interstate, absolutely wonderful and rock solid, but it didn't have the romance of the T100. But both had the proportions a bike should have...
@Onion Head Looking over the comments and seeing your multiple posts I believe Shakespeare said it best, "Methinks thou dost protest too much". And sorry you regret buying that old tractor, Harley Davidson.
$28,000 1st off, i would never pay $30,000 for a motorcycle. But if I ever would it would the Challenger because to get just some of what the Challenger offers I would to spend at least $7,000, now I'm at $35,000 for the Harley Davidson. And then I would still fall way short of the Challenger. And I love Harley Davidson and have a 2015 road king which I bought it for $12, 500 used.
Theres no reason to ever buy a new bike at least not here in Michigan. The riding season is pretty short here so you can always find tons of nice used bikes with hardly any miles on them.
I think there will always be people who like motorcycle riding , It is fun when your young, you meet the nicest people. I am 68 and still have good friends I meet riding bikes. Looking back over the many motorcycles I owned the few I wish I still had would be Norton Commando..
Harley wrongly targeted old buggers like me, at 64 I am finding it difficult to maneuver my 340 kg Road King at zero speed with the feet down, like parking etc... once rolling, no problem, but having the bike fall on its side on front of a crowd is not ego building at all. It's the rotator cuff in the shoulder, a common and painful aftermath of living a full physical life. They should have been focussing on the next generation long ago, not producing 10,000 variations on a theme that can be modified 10,000 ways with Screamin Eagle products. Dickheads. Gibson guitars went down a similar path.
I was hoping that Indian would offer a Frame mounted fairing bike in the design of the thunderstroke classic Chieftain. I am no longer buying liquid cooled bikes. I don't ride in traffic and don't need an ugly vulnerable radiator on my bikes. I would buy a Chieftain, but I don't like batwings.
@@Dave-sw2dm Liquid cooled bikes have greater reliability and longevity, mainly because they can be build to much closer tolerances. Air cooling has always been a primary reason of HD's lack of reliability. Air cooled bikes are on the way out anyway. They can't meet the ever more stringent emissions standards . I'd bet real money HD's next big twin will be completely liquid cooled
650 Royal Enfield. Mostly because I want to try one. Check out Ichy Boots. She rides a 400 across the world on one,well two but nothing was wrong with the first one.
If given the money I would defenetly go with the road glide the challenger will always be second best. Deep down inside the people buying these type of bikes knows it .
I can't speak for everyone, but I understood there were "better" options when I bought a harley, however, I was buying a project when I picked up my 2016 fxdl. I have replaced nearly every OEM piece outside the frame (not a harley fanboy outside of their bikes) and built my dream bike which looks great, performs well, but most importantly, is what I wanted from the start. I plan to do the same thing building a performance road glide build soon. Can't beat the aftermarket for harley if you enjoy turning your own wrenches.
Thanks. We have it narrowed down to three bikes. I’ll go over the pros and cons of each, then choose. Hoping to get test rides but with the current situation it may not be possible. Will keep you posted.
I prefer the characteristics, looks and sound of the Harley air-cooled motorcycles. Maybe it is old tech but I can fix it myself and the customization options are limitless
Be individualistic but do NOT dare to buy anything outside the official HD catalog when you are customizing your bike to look different and almost the same as your buddies 😉😃
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HD needs to build a knuckle replica. Stripped down basic appearance with EFI and a huge gas tank. Big tires buy not ridiculous.
I ride a Harley Road Glide Special. I Love it that Indian is competing directly against Harley. I love that many of my fellow riders bought Indians instead. Anything to stick it in the ribs of Harley Corporate to step it up is good news to me. There's a lot I love about the Indian Challenger, but in the end it wasn't the bike for me. I took the Road Glide To all four corners of mainland USA last year without any problems other than a bad tail light housing. Only shop time was spent on maintenance and tire changes.
Haha well it’s an Indian commercial.... my road glide has water cooled heads heated grips tour pack the base rgl is about 200 more then the base challenger limited with a lot more to offer... far better paint jobs more reliable I have never regretted it... I have said a million times Polaris does not have good engineering and the only guy I even know that has bought a challenger is a guy who posts TH-cam videos here and his had to be hauled to the dealer to be flashed after 400 miles.. not to mention Harley sells more street glides then Polaris sells Indian bikes total... what a joke
Steve Xaxa - Better paint? Really? Lol. Stop drinking the koolaid dude. Your embarrassing yourself. Just be honest and say you love your harley because you love the herd lifestyle. No need to lie to yourself, everyone knows dude!
kyle stewart the quality of the paint is better... the base model Polaris challenger is like the model t..... comes in one color only... no challenger model gives you a two tone option but road glide does.... I had 8 choices in my rg limited... you won’t get 8 choices in challenger limited... and really no body even argues that Harley paint jobs are best... so your trying to argue a point even the Polaris people don’t argue... your the one drinking cool aid
kyle stewart and no I like a good bike that doesn’t have to be worked on has a good support network as I ride across country ...I always think of riding fish on here he bought one... got 400 miles before he hauled it to the Polaris dealer... you be honest your a troll pro a sly don’t even own a bike... but trash Harley because you never had the money for one or your wife wouldn’t let you buy one
It’s a good review and seems to be a solid machine . I have had 3 family members pour the pockets into dressing up there victories to get peanuts back after the company shit on the owners . We have 3 road glides now , not saying the road glide is the superior but we also have a 5 to 1 ratio of Harley dealers for customer support and backing instead of one mannetos power sports for Indian . As you stated both companies are struggling but for me it’s the worry that Indian does what victory did as both owned by Polaris . Stay safe and ride what makes you feel good !
Ya know I've owned Harleys mostly including Road Glides, also Goldwings, and even Visions, and no matter what the only one that gets a "nice bike" comment when the kickstand is down from da ladies is Harley. A red/black Road Glide limited with a 131 engine gets me all fired up but that base Challenger at $22 with electric windshield and monoshock rear suspension is the real deal right now. Enjoyed the video.....
Great comparison! If performance would matter not one single Harley would be sold! Never the less....a Harley is a Harley...is a Harley...is a Harley! That's why I love them!
The tractor tech comment is always a give away... better paint... better motor (more reliable slightly less horse power but the 114 has plenty I have rode it across America 2 up it’s all you would ever want or need.. it I’m never stuck at the dealership waiting for repairs.. the rdrs on Harley is better then the Polaris equivalent.. and the flag ship of Polaris the chieftain is total air cooled so like I said Polaris commercial
Hey thanks for the comment. I’m not affiliated with either brand and I’ve never owned an Indian or a Harley. I ride a Moto Guzzi and am pretty honest about that brand’s faults with my viewers. Each brand has strengths and limitations but if you check my previous videos you will find that I’ve been quite complimentary of Harleys in the past. Take care.
I like it a lot. If I was in the market for a new bike I'd seriously have to consider the Indian Challengers over a Harley. Not just for the bike itself, but because of the way Harley Corp has alienated it's core customers like myself over the years with shitty products and even shittier policies and warranties. And Indian is owned by Polaris. I like and own an ATV and sled made by them. But I'm not in the market for a new bike so its all just big talk from an old, bitter Harley rider. 😜
Great video, very impress with Indian. Glad they are putting a better product and really thinking outside the box and giving a quality product to the people that matters - us, the consumers.
I disagree, bro. I've been a Harley-hater for a minute. But the upgraded Milwaukee 8 Road Glide had me sold and I was ready to pull the trigger on one until the Challenger came out. Now I'm sold on that because of performance, price and looks. Indian directly "challenging" Harley is one of the things that got me to pay attention. I've been a loyal Japanese motorcycle owner my whole riding career, but the Challenger is the first American bike I'll own. I doubt I'm alone. Dig the videos, btw. Good job.
Seems Harleys Board of Directors and Executive Management is completely lost. They just fired the CEO. Now add this virus shit in and things are getting really ugly. Shareholders dumping and analyst screaming. It will be interesting to see how they move forward. However, bike for bike and like for like Indian gives you more bike for less money thats more reliable.
Love my HD Road Glide. Personally I don't care much for the rivalry between the two brands. But Indian's copycat bikes are similar to the Korean and Chinese cars copying Euro cars. Pathetic. I also drive a BMW. Cue the haters :D
Lost my dad, my uncle, and my best friend to cagers: each of them was hit and killed while on their bikes, by idiot cagers who didn't give a damn. Rugged individualism is why I don't ride motorcycles on American roads. I agree with the perp who murdered my father, and is now doing hard time: "You gotta be crazy to ride a motorcycle around here."
@@DifferentSpokesTV I love all things motorized, especially classic motorcycles and traditional hot rods. Sadly, yesterday's drunks are today's texters and stoners; and there seems to be a lot more today than ever. We must address the problem with methods that will frighten offenders enough to stop.
Indian is done. Abandonment of Victory motorcycle by Polaris. 1% of population rides motorcycles. Polaris alienated all their Victory riders by screwing them over and dropping parts/support. You can try to sell non-riders motorcycles, but good luck. No real biker is going to ride Polaris where they hang you out to dry. Wife is stuck with Victory., and don't you know, we tell everybody that looks at Indian. Stood outside Indian booth at big bike rally, and stopped every customer that left booth, and told them what Polaris had done to Victory riders, and expect same screwing over,a again. More Polaris doesn't support older Razors with parts. Pay over $10K for something from Polaris, and a few years latter, it's same as Chinese/Korean import junk. No parts availability.
Just my opinion been riding long distance for many years both bikes dealer Network Harley is hard to beat when you are Long Way from Home there always a dealer somewhere
Does performance alone matter on a bagger? Eh. Does performance matter when the bike that performs significantly better also costs significantly less? Oh yeah, now we’re talking. I’m a young rider who’s just getting into the game, I spent the whole summer working two jobs, 7 days a week just to keep the bills paid and was fortunate enough to be able to save up enough cash to buy myself a 2002 Honda shadow on craigslist for about 2k. It’s everything I wanted it to be and is serving my needs well. But I’ve always wanted a Harley low rider, which to me was always my dream bike. When Indian makes bikes that are better than harleys and cost way less, what’s the point anymore? My generation is broke af dude, and don’t try selling us on financing cause we’re already financing a million other things like our cars and homes, which take enough out of us as it is. This is why if Harley wants to prevent themselves from going under, they have to start charging customers what their bikes are actually worth.
The problems for me with these bikes is there's nowhere to stow some gear, like FF helmets, cost/value versus other bikes in the same price range and the extra unnecessary weight. If you're spending 29K on a bike, what else is there? I can think of the Goldwing, K1600 and R1250RT. All three are better than the two here in terms of function and value.
I think the true test would be can you set the cruise on the Indian and take hands off the bars and keep that challenger up for fourty miles hands free?
Indian better hang onto Challengers because I am defiantly going to buy this bike when I'm ready. I just bought my first bike, so it's going to be a little bit before I'm in the market for a bagger. The Challenger is everything I wish Harley would be. Well, kind of. I wish it came in the bat wings. It's still new, so I'm letting some stuff slide. Like, right now every challenger looks the same. I hope there are some badass looking customs out there in the future. I'm also concerned with being eco-friendly, and this bike is the closest thing to that. I still think that HD makes some of the most beautiful motorcycles out there. They have a better dealer network and community, but I guess that doesn't bother me as much. I'm thinking the challenger will run until the wheels fall off, so dealer networks shouldn't be as much of an issue. That being said, I keep going back and forth. I like to root for the underdog, so I'll likely stick with indian.
Building better, technically advanced and more refined bikes isn't what drives Harley sales, such as they are. Right now they are in a bind between attracting new customers who want modern bikes without alienating those that still want their lifestyle brand. Their new lineups are testing the waters but until they fully embrace a modern lineup they're unlikely to succeed. I for one would enjoy walking into a HD stealership to see their heritage bikes sharing floor space with a modern lineup that didn't look like it was designed by 12 year olds. There would have to be parity in the line ups though, not filling the gaps with bikes designed to attract children.
You sorta glossed over the B S. HD pulled to get the Tariff. I see the history of Motorcycles as pre and post tariff.Before tariff motorcycles were way more common. Court cases, lies deception, all just to make HD more attractive to AMF. The we had HDs made by Benelli.
The problem is aftermarket. Harley will have a base because of aftermarket. I am 6'5 and there are so many options Harley provide. I wish other brands wake up to the aftermarket game
Lesser bikes smoke harleys all the time the Challenger just looks good doing it. Never saw a stock Harley that was worth shit off the line. Takes a stage 3 lots money and time just to hang with a bike costing 2/3 to 1/2 the cost.
Never owned an Indian. However, I have spent some time riding one, and riding with Indian owner. I would ride one way before I would ride another Harley.
Well, one of them is certainly ugly. Both bikes are a joke when it comes to power and performance, but that is not what touring bikes are supposed to be about. If you want to talk about power and performance and touring, let's talk about sport touring bikes. 1/2 the price and twice the power, as well as better suspension and handling than either of these bikes.
Went to buy my first Harley... walked into the dealership...i was the only customer there, 6 people are working... I walk around looking at bikes...i was there for almost 15 minutes and no one had said hi, kiss my ass, nothing...i turned and walked out.. I'll buy an Indian...i would say, bad customer service, but there wasn't any...... they wonder why, Harley is dying.........be safe and thank you kindly.......
Motorcycles are very expensive toys with limited use for most people, it’s a niche product. Few people will suffer if they disappear. Fun, YES but still, not very important.
honda has been stomping over harley for decades now. now indian is tooo. i say harley will be gone in 10 years tops. would be surprized if not. harley is basically only alive because of government subsidies anyway.
What are all the Indian owners going to do when Polaris stops Indian production like the did with Victory ? The aftermarket will support my Harley's for the next 20 years. No aftermarket support for Indian. Nobody grows up saying "someday I will ride a Polaris "
You want a Harley? Buy a Harley. You want a Indian? Buy a Indian. I want more motorcycles on the roads, no matter the make of the bike!
Ryan Schmidt I agree
an Indian* an Indian* An is a word!
Amen. More bike means fewer cagers trying to play bumper cars with my two-wheeled death scooter.
I think Polaris has done an incredible job with the Indian line. I love my stunning 2019 Springfield. It is sheer pleasure to cruise all day on that bike.
Impressive, honest and sincere review. Harley Davidson sells Lifestyle whereas Indian sells Motorcycle!
Thanks for the comment!
hey @inasuc Indian Riders say other Indain Riders are nicer people .. sure lots of HD riders are nice too but many are A-hole dirty biker trouble causer types too.
Bikers had a bad image back in the 1960's and 1970's so Honda had advertisemwnts saying you meet the nicest People on a Honda and now days you meet the Nicest People on an Indain ..
The best words ever heard going into this comparison! Your such right
All manufacturers sell lifestyles. There is the Sportbike lifestyle, the neo-retro cafe / scrambler lifestyle, the moto-cross lifestyle, even the Grom lifestyle. That is how they market motorcycles and just about any other luxury item out there. Otherwise everyone would be riding a Honda 500cc bike, and driving a Nissan Sentra.
@@mikeskidmore6754 You are right on. I dumped my HD Slim for a Moto Guzzi Audace. Much better bike but one of the reasons was that I no longer wanted to be associated with the pirate crowd. They have done more to damage public's perception of motorcyclists than anything else I can think of. Honda's 'Nicest People" did a lot in the 60's to improve the image. In the 60's a lot of restaurants as well as other businesses had signs out "No Motorcycles". It seems that we are going back to that in some ways. Start with cracking down on loud exhausts. One business near me hasn't excluded bikes but made them park in an area that is very difficult on a bike.
Harley's snarky "Polaris" ad makes me wonder how many guys grew up dreaming of bikes that used to be made by a bowling equipment company. Who gives a sh*t who the parent corporation is? I want the better bike. And if I ride away with more money in my pocket so much the better.
Neither company has been the real deal for over a half century. It really doesn't matter who happens to won the name now, does it?
No matter the product group, there will always be fanboys. Motorcycles, cars, computer parts you name it. If there is more than company making it, you better bet there is fanboys who will claim that the company they have is the absolute best bar none! And irrelevant stuff like facts that clearly shows it isn't won't bother them, they find a way to justify it. And if you try to tell them that its just a big faceless company. That at the end of the day they only care about profits and the shareholders, you are lucky if all they do is stop talking to you!
Wait until the new shipment of polaris tshirts come in...lol
The one thing Indian is not capitalising on is just how much more rear suspension travel their bikes have and how this makes riding them a pleasure and not a sacrifice to god of ego for the sake of sticking to a name.
I ride a Road King now but having ridden the new Indians, I would have to honestly say that Indian absolutely flogs Harley in the comfort and handling sectors and the power sector when talking about the Challenger, there is literally nothing in Harley's touring chassis range that can compete. To top it off, the only softail I liked (Fat Boy) is now so hard love.
Try a R1200RT or K1600GT. Even better suspensions.
Ha ha true, I've been looking at the GSA 220mm can't be a bad thing but those electrics are awesome till they aren't.
Indian lets people go for a test ride .. People can figure it out on a test ride
Except for the indian bobber. The geometry of rear suspension isn't very good.
Good thing he flashed all other other Brands of bikes that make a better Cruiser than HD too .. You have to give HD Credit for Genius marketing.. selling Turds with sprinkles as Tootsie Rolls..
It's getting ugly.... Sure is, just look at the front fairings on these two.
I was straight up expecting the video to be about that.
Yep, tacky overkill.
Performance does not matter in the Bagger Category yet many HD Owners spend another $6,500.00 for a Stage IV kit to try and keep up with the Indian .. Still need to spend another $3,000.00 for better suspension too ..
If performance didn't matter HD wouldn't offer a CVO with a 117
@@hiposho68 If performace didn't matter why would HD sell so many Stage I II III and stage IV kits.. but now you can buy and Indian Challenger that will smoke all but a stave IV stock thus the Indian is way more bang for the Buck off the show room floor and already handles much better with much higher quality suspension componenenents ...
Or spend the money on a better bike that doesn't need many if any mods.
But even that $3000 will only buy you a set of ohlins, which admittedly help but won't fix the utter lack of suspension travel in the touring chassis HD's. The latest soft tails are ok but if you want the big bike with twin front brakes and aluminium rims instead of spokes and therefore tubeless tyres, then any big Indian will eat the Harleys.
@@TheTripleDubya Imagine what a K1600 would be like to an Indian?
I’m a retired Harley-Davidson mechanic and ride and own 13 motorcycles of all makes and to tell you the truth my Harley-Davidson’s never get out much, if the tough guy Harley-Davidson riders would just take off the blinders and try something different like I did they will find out there’s a big world of motorcycles out there, I ride coast to coast once a year and now do it on a 20 year old Honda Valkyrie that I paid $2000 for , just get out there and try a few different bikes you’ll be surprised
I'm surprised I don't see more of those Valkyrie's around. They were great bikes.
Years back after I wrecked my Fat Boy I bought a VTX 1800. My Harley riding buddies snickered and laughed but I didn't care. The Honda was maintenance free and so fun to ride. All of the sudden I was selling my harley clothes on craigslist and buying unbranded riding gear and saving money! I have a variety of bikes in my garage as well, there's too much to enjoy and not enough money and time.
Ha that’s funny, too much to enjoy and not enough time and money is for sure, I’m glad I did the Harley-Davidson thing with all the clothes and stuff but time to enjoy and stretch it out and ride, I always enjoyed riding but not as much as I am now on different motorcycles
In all honesty. Honda goldwing has been kicking Harley's bagger ass longer than Indian has. Now yamaha venture weighs in too. Harley getting beaten left right & centre. Looks like WWE tag team .lol
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😂...is that “washing machine running”,
oh there it goes. Its in reverse😂
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@blh3863 your ss camera has a radiator. Can you imagine driving an air cooled VW beetle in this same argument....
Rolling Thunder was a graveyard of Harleys. Pretty paperweights melting in the hot sun before the event even started....
If your looking for an economical bike, the Indian Scout 60 is a lot of bike for the money. 👍
Thanks! I rode the Bobber and liked it a lot.
If you are looking for an economical bike, look for one built in India, Thailand, or China. Brand new bikes under $5000. Or buy a used Japanese made bike since they are built to go 200,000 miles.
Dave Yep, totally agree. I bought three bikes for les than the cost of the suspension upgrade on a Harley! They’re absurd in every possible way.
@@G58, but there is still something about them. I do have a Rode Glide Special in my garage alongside my $3000 Van Van 200, and $4500 Royal Enfield Himalayan. :-)
hey, cudos to Harley, they make an expensive line of t shirts.
Plus the shirts are made in Vietnam. At least my last one was.
@@telestrat060what beautiful country Vietnam was, sometimes I wish I would have never left. I think that is the only thing I regret in my life.
I love my victory vegas. Never understood why no one really gave them a chance
For some reason the traditionalists never warmed to Victory. Too bad cause they’re great bikes.
Too futuristic looking, not enough leather fringing, tassles, chrome or pig iron, too much power, too much break.
David Cottingham, Apparently people like wrenching on their bikes. Vics were American Made but Japanese quality at Japanese prices.
Performance doesn't matter one bit? You'd better believe it does! The "performance bagger" segment of motorcycling is huge right now. The bike in this segment of motorcycling needs to have lots of power and torque, great handling, great brakes, and enough storage to take a decent road trip. The Challenger has just re-written the book on how this should be done on a stock bike. The good thing is that Harley will now have to step it up and we will see better bikes because of it.
Right on the money. I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek there.
Yeah that Indian gives me a woody. It's got problems and the Harley is a Harley but once they both get a clue, .. I'm glad to see it's on again.
One big problem with the Challenger, $30,000 and no trunk. Another $3,000 when it does come out. I am looking at a Honda dct, that covers all the bases.
@@busterbrown1686 have you looked at Kawasaki valcan? I was a Harley guy forever. Until they started to believe that a motorcycle is worth 30 k. I got a Valcan last year and love it and I dan hop on it now ride it around the world with only a couple oil changes and some tires.the bike is otherwise maintenance free. Adjusting the valve is a pain in the ass but every 15 k I can deal with that.
@@davidfellows6250 Is that not 'vulcan' ? I know they use that name.
That Indian Scout Bobber is awesome!
I traded in my 2009 Victory Vegas and bought the Bobber brand new off the showroom floor last summer.
I absolutely love the bike, zero regrets here!
Nice! I have a review of that one on my channel as well. 100hp on a cruiser redefines what a cruiser is. I'd definitely consider that bike.
Went to the HD dealership 2 weeks ago to get a motorcycle, ended up buying a Indian scout from an Indian dealership. No regrets. My brother bought a Harley iron 1200, I have yet to hear someone compliment his bike whenever we ride together haha.
Happens all the time. Motorcycle rider group at the local university, buddy of mine has a dyna, soon as I pull up on my indian everyone would surround it and start admiring.
The next Gen Victory cross country lives on !
you got it flat out wrong, baggers need to perform.
I had a Vic Cross Roads and loved it. Totaled it into a deer. I now have a Road King and love it too. Maybe if Indian comes out with a windscreen version I'll give one a try.
I get a kick out of kids who think peak power is some meaningful metric. If you learn to ride, you won't require near as much power to run circles around the newbs...on any fun roads anyway.
The brilliance of that tractor tech is it keeps the bikes simple. If you ride a lot, that's important. Valve adjustments get pricey. Changing oil now and then is reasonably cheap.
Indian does have a windscreen version... The Springfield is the direct competitor to the RK. You can also slap a screen on a Chief and get a bagless or soft bag version.
@@jaycarruthers8524 I know, but I meant with the Challenger engine. I'm not a big fan of the two valve heads. Too much oomph down low and not enough up top. I also thought their two valve engine ran hot.
Jeeez.
I tour on my 1984 BMW R80 RT.
800 cc & two up with our luggage.
These "Winnebaggers" are ridiculous !
Great point. When I was 18 I toured the country on my Honda CB250G5 with my girlfriend on the back. I fitted a top box and a pair of Rickman panniers that would have been perfect on a Triumph Bonneville.
Today it seems that oversized is regarded as some imagined proof of status. But in reality, a Honda 125 Varadero has sufficient road presence to be safe.
I find the history very interesting. 👍🏻👍🏻 Very clever commentary!
Thank you very much!
I just purchased a challenger darkhorse. After test riding the road glide, street glide and cheiftain there really is nothing that compares with the challenger. Indian made me feel like family as opposed to harley Making me feel like I was lucky to join their club. That was just my experience and my opinion of course. As long as you're riding that is all that matters, but do your own home work and test riding and I'll shoot you a salute no matter what bike your on
Harley should learn that it can not sell expensive bikes forever. when they drop their prices Indian will follow
Thanks for the review
4:12 Why those bikes have huge old TVs instead of headlights?
I own a couple of Indians and a Victory, including the 2020 Challenger Dark Horse. Love the Video🤟🏻
Thanks! Much appreciated.
I can't believe that I didn't come across this channel sooner. I'm riding an 05 Electra Glide and it hasn't failed start or get me to my destination. It shakes like an off balance washing machine at idle, but I honestly love the bike. That said, the all reviews for the Challenger have been epic, so next year assuming I can find one, I will pick up Challenger Limited even if its overpriced. Kudos to Polaris.
What an awesome video. I didnt even realize that the Challenger beats the CVO. What an absolute embarrassment for Harley....
The Indian 108 makes more power than the just-released 131 inch HD CVO engine. Now *that* is embarrassing.
when will Indian fail again.
1:08 I had a slightly older version, a 1956 500cc Triumph T100 fitted out for touring. Wonderful bike, but those primary chaincase oil changes every 250 miles, those leaks, the electrical system ... Still, an unforgettable 10,000 miles as my wheels for three years as a student. The sound and feel of the 180 degree twin is to die for. Many years later I had a 1982 Honda GL500I Silverwing Interstate, absolutely wonderful and rock solid, but it didn't have the romance of the T100. But both had the proportions a bike should have...
Indian is really eating Harley's lunch these days
@Onion Head Looking over the comments and seeing your multiple posts I believe Shakespeare said it best, "Methinks thou dost protest too much". And sorry you regret buying that old tractor, Harley Davidson.
Great content my friend. I’ve been riding Harley Davidson‘s for 30 years, I’ve never felt compelled to buy a motorbike that would go faster.
Thanks, much appreciated.
Got a 299cc kawasaki scooter and rearly feel the need to go faster
$28,000 1st off, i would never pay $30,000 for a motorcycle. But if I ever would it would the Challenger because to get just some of what the Challenger offers I would to spend at least $7,000, now I'm at $35,000 for the Harley Davidson. And then I would still fall way short of the Challenger. And I love Harley Davidson and have a 2015 road king which I bought it for $12, 500 used.
The Triumph at 1:10 SOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER LOOKING THAN ANY HARLEY!! 😁😁😁🏍🍺🍺
Lol 😂 really that’s why you hardly find any triumph on the roads 😎
@@rinkukoradi2539 when I see how many Harley's are bombing around destroying the peace, it makes me so happy that I can buy a Ducati!!😀😀🏍🏍🍺🍺🍺
I love crushing most Dynas with my Scout
Theres no reason to ever buy a new bike at least not here in Michigan. The riding season is pretty short here so you can always find tons of nice used bikes with hardly any miles on them.
HD's 131 inch engine still doesn't make the power of the Indian 108. And will probably overheat like hell.
My dad has a 131 on his bagger and has not had any problems yet.
I think there will always be people who like motorcycle riding , It is fun when your young, you meet the nicest people. I am 68 and still have good friends I meet riding bikes. Looking back over the many motorcycles I owned the few I wish I still had would be Norton Commando..
Harley wrongly targeted old buggers like me, at 64 I am finding it difficult to maneuver my 340 kg Road King at zero speed with the feet down, like parking etc... once rolling, no problem, but having the bike fall on its side on front of a crowd is not ego building at all. It's the rotator cuff in the shoulder, a common and painful aftermath of living a full physical life. They should have been focussing on the next generation long ago, not producing 10,000 variations on a theme that can be modified 10,000 ways with Screamin Eagle products. Dickheads. Gibson guitars went down a similar path.
I ride a ural patrol 2wd bike, they are "old school" and love their maintenance. They are an upper body workout and are slow... I love it!
Not true...ride them side by side as I did...the Harley is actually 3rd best. Sorry, just sayin'
I was hoping that Indian would offer a Frame mounted fairing bike in the design of the thunderstroke classic Chieftain. I am no longer buying liquid cooled bikes. I don't ride in traffic and don't need an ugly vulnerable radiator on my bikes. I would buy a Chieftain, but I don't like batwings.
@@Dave-sw2dm Liquid cooled bikes have greater reliability and longevity, mainly because they can be build to much closer tolerances. Air cooling has always been a primary reason of HD's lack of reliability.
Air cooled bikes are on the way out anyway. They can't meet the ever more stringent emissions standards . I'd bet real money HD's next big twin will be completely liquid cooled
Great video with balanced views ! Couldn’t resist from subscribing!!
Awesome, thank you! Much appreciated.
That is a face that even a mother couldn't love.
650 Royal Enfield. Mostly because I want to try one. Check out Ichy Boots. She rides a 400 across the world on one,well two but nothing was wrong with the first one.
Yeah, I’ve seen her stuff. It’s good. Thanks.
If given the money I would defenetly go with the road glide the challenger will always be second best. Deep down inside the people buying these type of bikes knows it .
I can't speak for everyone, but I understood there were "better" options when I bought a harley, however, I was buying a project when I picked up my 2016 fxdl. I have replaced nearly every OEM piece outside the frame (not a harley fanboy outside of their bikes) and built my dream bike which looks great, performs well, but most importantly, is what I wanted from the start. I plan to do the same thing building a performance road glide build soon. Can't beat the aftermarket for harley if you enjoy turning your own wrenches.
Looking forward to the new series! Will be interesting to see what you look at and ultimately decide on, maybe it'll give my wife and I some ideas.
Thanks. We have it narrowed down to three bikes. I’ll go over the pros and cons of each, then choose. Hoping to get test rides but with the current situation it may not be possible. Will keep you posted.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Sounds like a great idea for series, many of us are in a similar situation
I prefer the characteristics, looks and sound of the Harley air-cooled motorcycles. Maybe it is old tech but I can fix it myself and the customization options are limitless
Be individualistic but do NOT dare to buy anything outside the official HD catalog when you are customizing your bike to look different and almost the same as your buddies 😉😃
HD needs to build a knuckle replica.
Stripped down basic appearance with EFI and a huge gas tank.
Big tires buy not ridiculous.
I ride a Harley Road Glide Special. I Love it that Indian is competing directly against Harley. I love that many of my fellow riders bought Indians instead. Anything to stick it in the ribs of Harley Corporate to step it up is good news to me. There's a lot I love about the Indian Challenger, but in the end it wasn't the bike for me. I took the Road Glide To all four corners of mainland USA last year without any problems other than a bad tail light housing. Only shop time was spent on maintenance and tire changes.
Nice! Thanks for sharing.
Under power air cooled 1930s tractor technology....wow, shots fired.
I would get an Indian...except I have my Harley just the way I like it, so gonna ride it till a wheel comes off.
Haha well it’s an Indian commercial.... my road glide has water cooled heads heated grips tour pack the base rgl is about 200 more then the base challenger limited with a lot more to offer... far better paint jobs more reliable I have never regretted it... I have said a million times Polaris does not have good engineering and the only guy I even know that has bought a challenger is a guy who posts TH-cam videos here and his had to be hauled to the dealer to be flashed after 400 miles.. not to mention Harley sells more street glides then Polaris sells Indian bikes total... what a joke
Steve Xaxa - Better paint? Really? Lol. Stop drinking the koolaid dude. Your embarrassing yourself.
Just be honest and say you love your harley because you love the herd lifestyle. No need to lie to yourself, everyone knows dude!
kyle stewart the quality of the paint is better... the base model Polaris challenger is like the model t..... comes in one color only... no challenger model gives you a two tone option but road glide does.... I had 8 choices in my rg limited... you won’t get 8 choices in challenger limited... and really no body even argues that Harley paint jobs are best... so your trying to argue a point even the Polaris people don’t argue... your the one drinking cool aid
kyle stewart and no I like a good bike that doesn’t have to be worked on has a good support network as I ride across country ...I always think of riding fish on here he bought one... got 400 miles before he hauled it to the Polaris dealer... you be honest your a troll pro a sly don’t even own a bike... but trash Harley because you never had the money for one or your wife wouldn’t let you buy one
It’s a good review and seems to be a solid machine . I have had 3 family members pour the pockets into dressing up there victories to get peanuts back after the company shit on the owners . We have 3 road glides now , not saying the road glide is the superior but we also have a 5 to 1 ratio of Harley dealers for customer support and backing instead of one mannetos power sports for Indian . As you stated both companies are struggling but for me it’s the worry that Indian does what victory did as both owned by Polaris . Stay safe and ride what makes you feel good !
Ya know I've owned Harleys mostly including Road Glides, also Goldwings, and even Visions, and no matter what the only one that gets a "nice bike" comment when the kickstand is down from da ladies is Harley. A red/black Road Glide limited with a 131 engine gets me all fired up but that base Challenger at $22 with electric windshield and monoshock rear suspension is the real deal right now. Enjoyed the video.....
Yo Sam Thanks!
Not to concerned about what some gold digger has to say about my bike
Not true anymore! I own both and my Indian chief gets more than 10x the compliments than my springer softail
you have great content. subbed
Great comparison! If performance would matter not one single Harley would be sold! Never the less....a Harley is a Harley...is a Harley...is a Harley! That's why I love them!
How does a bike cost as much as a full size truck
Fun to see two companies fighting tooth and nail for a demographic that is ageing so fast that their other vehicle is an RV with a sit down shower.
Government: Be poor as you can get and wear a stupid mask 😂
Anyway, I'm glad that Indian is back. Something that will make Harley go double up.
Affordability, reliability, customer support and maintenance costs will be the key for which manufacturer is going to win this war.
Indian may be a fine motorcycle but, it still not a Harley! Nice video!
Thanks ✌️
No its not, its more reliable, offers more performance, and costs less.
Your wrong commentator we drag race!!!
The tractor tech comment is always a give away... better paint... better motor (more reliable slightly less horse power but the 114 has plenty I have rode it across America 2 up it’s all you would ever want or need.. it I’m never stuck at the dealership waiting for repairs.. the rdrs on Harley is better then the Polaris equivalent.. and the flag ship of Polaris the chieftain is total air cooled so like I said Polaris commercial
Hey thanks for the comment. I’m not affiliated with either brand and I’ve never owned an Indian or a Harley. I ride a Moto Guzzi and am pretty honest about that brand’s faults with my viewers. Each brand has strengths and limitations but if you check my previous videos you will find that I’ve been quite complimentary of Harleys in the past. Take care.
Very interesting and beautifully done ... 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
I like it a lot. If I was in the market for a new bike I'd seriously have to consider the Indian Challengers over a Harley. Not just for the bike itself, but because of the way Harley Corp has alienated it's core customers like myself over the years with shitty products and even shittier policies and warranties. And Indian is owned by Polaris. I like and own an ATV and sled made by them. But I'm not in the market for a new bike so its all just big talk from an old, bitter Harley rider. 😜
Ha, ha! I think Harley gets the message. They’re coming out with some pretty cool new bikes and concepts lately.
@@DifferentSpokesTV time will tell. They might be belly up by this time next year if the economy takes a serious shit.
Great video, very impress with Indian. Glad they are putting a better product and really thinking outside the box and giving a quality product to the people that matters - us, the consumers.
I disagree, bro. I've been a Harley-hater for a minute. But the upgraded Milwaukee 8 Road Glide had me sold and I was ready to pull the trigger on one until the Challenger came out. Now I'm sold on that because of performance, price and looks. Indian directly "challenging" Harley is one of the things that got me to pay attention. I've been a loyal Japanese motorcycle owner my whole riding career, but the Challenger is the first American bike I'll own. I doubt I'm alone. Dig the videos, btw. Good job.
Thanks for sharing. Enjoy the Challenger. Eventually this engine might power all the big Indians.
Guess I’m prepared for either reality. I’ve got a 50cc moped right next to my Harley
Great review! Excellent info!
Seems Harleys Board of Directors and Executive Management is completely lost. They just fired the CEO. Now add this virus shit in and things are getting really ugly. Shareholders dumping and analyst screaming. It will be interesting to see how they move forward. However, bike for bike and like for like Indian gives you more bike for less money thats more reliable.
I'd love to ride them back to back to feel the difference but I don't see any test rides forthcoming soon.
If you're looking for a more classic style bike, the Indian Springfield also stomps the Road King in pretty much every way. It looks better too.
On paper baggers are a nice idea, but I'm not ready to retire. I don't even have a career yet.
They never should have let victory fall to the waist side. Very nice bikes. And reliable to
Love the hate you guys give Harley, and yet I love my Road Glide Limited with 114CI. Other bikes just don't give you the same feeling when riding.
Love my HD Road Glide. Personally I don't care much for the rivalry between the two brands. But Indian's copycat bikes are similar to the Korean and Chinese cars copying Euro cars. Pathetic. I also drive a BMW. Cue the haters :D
Lost my dad, my uncle, and my best friend to cagers: each of them was hit and killed while on their bikes, by idiot cagers who didn't give a damn.
Rugged individualism is why I don't ride motorcycles on American roads. I agree with the perp who murdered my father, and is now doing hard time: "You gotta be crazy to ride a motorcycle around here."
Wow, what a story. That's one of the best arguments for dirt biking I've seen. I'm sorry to hear about your loss. Thanks for sharing and take care.
@@DifferentSpokesTV I love all things motorized, especially classic motorcycles and traditional hot rods. Sadly, yesterday's drunks are today's texters and stoners; and there seems to be a lot more today than ever.
We must address the problem with methods that will frighten offenders enough to stop.
Interesting and entertaining brother. You and yours stay safe.
Thanks, will do! Much appreciated. Likewise to you and your family.
These bikes look almost like something aged pensioners go shopping on and carry carrots and potatoes home,I like pensioners,they have more sense
The only... thing i wish
better on my indian bobber. Better angle on the rear suspension.
Yep, I rode one and I fully agree. I'm fine with a slightly higher seat and more suspension travel.
Indian is done. Abandonment of Victory motorcycle by Polaris. 1% of population rides motorcycles. Polaris alienated all their Victory riders by screwing them over and dropping parts/support. You can try to sell non-riders motorcycles, but good luck. No real biker is going to ride Polaris where they hang you out to dry. Wife is stuck with Victory., and don't you know, we tell everybody that looks at Indian. Stood outside Indian booth at big bike rally, and stopped every customer that left booth, and told them what Polaris had done to Victory riders, and expect same screwing over,a again. More Polaris doesn't support older Razors with parts. Pay over $10K for something from Polaris, and a few years latter, it's same as Chinese/Korean import junk. No parts availability.
Just my opinion been riding long distance for many years both bikes dealer Network Harley is hard to beat when you are Long Way from Home there always a dealer somewhere
Does performance alone matter on a bagger? Eh. Does performance matter when the bike that performs significantly better also costs significantly less? Oh yeah, now we’re talking.
I’m a young rider who’s just getting into the game, I spent the whole summer working two jobs, 7 days a week just to keep the bills paid and was fortunate enough to be able to save up enough cash to buy myself a 2002 Honda shadow on craigslist for about 2k. It’s everything I wanted it to be and is serving my needs well. But I’ve always wanted a Harley low rider, which to me was always my dream bike.
When Indian makes bikes that are better than harleys and cost way less, what’s the point anymore? My generation is broke af dude, and don’t try selling us on financing cause we’re already financing a million other things like our cars and homes, which take enough out of us as it is.
This is why if Harley wants to prevent themselves from going under, they have to start charging customers what their bikes are actually worth.
The problems for me with these bikes is there's nowhere to stow some gear, like FF helmets, cost/value versus other bikes in the same price range and the extra unnecessary weight. If you're spending 29K on a bike, what else is there? I can think of the Goldwing, K1600 and R1250RT. All three are better than the two here in terms of function and value.
I think the true test would be can you set the cruise on the Indian and take hands off the bars and keep that challenger up for fourty miles hands free?
Indian better hang onto Challengers because I am defiantly going to buy this bike when I'm ready. I just bought my first bike, so it's going to be a little bit before I'm in the market for a bagger. The Challenger is everything I wish Harley would be. Well, kind of. I wish it came in the bat wings. It's still new, so I'm letting some stuff slide. Like, right now every challenger looks the same. I hope there are some badass looking customs out there in the future. I'm also concerned with being eco-friendly, and this bike is the closest thing to that.
I still think that HD makes some of the most beautiful motorcycles out there. They have a better dealer network and community, but I guess that doesn't bother me as much. I'm thinking the challenger will run until the wheels fall off, so dealer networks shouldn't be as much of an issue. That being said, I keep going back and forth. I like to root for the underdog, so I'll likely stick with indian.
Building better, technically advanced and more refined bikes isn't what drives Harley sales, such as they are. Right now they are in a bind between attracting new customers who want modern bikes without alienating those that still want their lifestyle brand. Their new lineups are testing the waters but until they fully embrace a modern lineup they're unlikely to succeed.
I for one would enjoy walking into a HD stealership to see their heritage bikes sharing floor space with a modern lineup that didn't look like it was designed by 12 year olds. There would have to be parity in the line ups though, not filling the gaps with bikes designed to attract children.
Hey, combine both companies and make the bikes in the US!
You sorta glossed over the B S. HD pulled to get the Tariff. I see the history of Motorcycles as pre and post tariff.Before tariff motorcycles were way more common. Court cases, lies deception, all just to make HD more attractive to AMF. The we had HDs made by Benelli.
But not only performs better, the suspension and ride cuality too
Thank you 👍🏼🖤🧡 Stay Safe,Live to ride
The problem is aftermarket. Harley will have a base because of aftermarket. I am 6'5 and there are so many options Harley provide. I wish other brands wake up to the aftermarket game
Lesser bikes smoke harleys all the time the Challenger just looks good doing it. Never saw a stock Harley that was worth shit off the line. Takes a stage 3 lots money and time just to hang with a bike costing 2/3 to 1/2 the cost.
Never owned an Indian. However, I have spent some time riding one, and riding with Indian owner. I would ride one way before I would ride another Harley.
Well, one of them is certainly ugly. Both bikes are a joke when it comes to power and performance, but that is not what touring bikes are supposed to be about. If you want to talk about power and performance and touring, let's talk about sport touring bikes. 1/2 the price and twice the power, as well as better suspension and handling than either of these bikes.
Went to buy my first Harley... walked into the dealership...i was the only customer there, 6 people are working... I walk around looking at bikes...i was there for almost 15 minutes and no one had said hi, kiss my ass, nothing...i turned and walked out.. I'll buy an Indian...i would say, bad customer service, but there wasn't any...... they wonder why, Harley is dying.........be safe and thank you kindly.......
Motorcycles are very expensive toys with limited use for most people, it’s a niche product. Few people will suffer if they disappear. Fun, YES but still, not very important.
then why are you even here lol
honda has been stomping over harley for decades now. now indian is tooo. i say harley will be gone in 10 years tops. would be surprized if not. harley is basically only alive because of government subsidies anyway.
Thanks for the cheery note!!
What are all the Indian owners going to do when Polaris stops Indian production like the did with Victory ? The aftermarket will support my Harley's for the next 20 years. No aftermarket support for Indian. Nobody grows up saying "someday I will ride a Polaris "
Can barely hear the video