Hahaha..just look at that happy mugshot at 26:31. Reminds me of the faces I saw in my local supermarket this morning at 7.45am. They'd had to leave their freezing beds to get to work., poor things.😆
Excellent video. I'm glad that you were not arrested when taking the pictures in the departure hall. That shows that Algeria is evolving. I haven't flown AH since decades, when it was a correct carrier. Algeria being a rich country, Air Algérie being a public enterprise, they ought to have more decent airplanes. It's a matter of governance not money.
New airplanes showing up should hopefully bring new life to the airline as well. It’ll be great to see and I hope to go back and check it out once that happens
incredibly informative! appreciate the clear explanations. Thanks' for sharing that's give us a clear idea about the company but i think there is no other alternative carriers that operate that same flight?
Air Canada does actually fly to Algiers as well, so you do have another option. Hopefully when Air Algerie’s new fleet arrives, they’ll be competitive again
For me, I recently flew the A330-200 to Algeria from LHR, it was so much better compared to the video and I’ve enjoyed the new variant cabin it was clean and refreshed, food wasn’t cold and the cabin crew were more interactive.
@@PatrickSheaAviationt'inquiète en algeire c est avion était très propre les premiers années mais ils comence à devenir vieux les nouveaux avion puisque se seront des meilleurs avion il vont bien en prendre soin
J espère que la direction d air algerie visione la vidéo plusieurs fois pour avoir un petit peux de motivation pour le changement dans la bonne direction
The people mover is actually called a mobile lounge. Aside from Dulles, CDG also had such large people movers for a long time, though I don't see them these days in any of the videos on TH-cam. Great video, I'm liking your content. Nice work!
have you previously taken air canada for the same destination. recently the air canada flight left 23 hours late, because the pilot had missed a connecting flight to reach algiers, and once airborne, the in-flight cathering service as well as the menu were deplorable compared to what air algerie offers
At least when you fly Air Canada you get acceptable service, clean cabin and good entertainment. I hope one day Air Algérie will stop being so terrible.
The screen that you showed with the waypoints...is that an app that I can put on my phone, or is that a different system? I've ben looking for something like that for a while now. Thanks!
Excellent video If it right out Frankfurt Germany in Canadian French it's spelled as Francfort sur le Main which is where Air Canada 845 is coming from. Speaking of the air Algérie business class seat old version it is exactly the same as a Cathay Pacific 1990s Long Haul seat and the Regional Business class seats also Korean Air Prestige Class B737-9B5/ER pre retrofitted B777-300 like HL-7573 unless retrofitted to resemble the A321-271N. IFE screen is in your right armrest. I'm wondering which of the Legacy carriers in the United States still use this setup in the domestic fleet. US CBP Stamp is MTL for Aéroport Pierre Eliot Trudeau provided you went back to California from Montreal via Newark Airport. For Canadians go to Montreal Airport to Florida they would simply drive to the US border Plattsburgh,NY or Burlington, VT that way they can simply pay the domestic price. There are 2-2-2 business class seats are flatbed example of these in California are the Korean Air Airbus A380 services. Also 2-3-2 flat bed seats SFO/LAX PR Mabuhay Class Korean Air Prestige Class B777-3B5/ER sleeper seats.
I recently flew Air Algerie's new 737-800 from Moscow to Algiers, the cabin is freshely new and its not dirty, seats are slightely enjoyable and the food is... Very delicious. I can say that some planes are a big catastrophe, including this one. Hope they will upgrade it soon. Thanks for the review Pat!
That's a shocker of a flight for business class ... the cleanliness ... can't complain about it, there is NONE ... and that food ... makes Air Koryo looks like haute-cuisine ... safe travels 🥂
Sad to see that most of flight reviews from North African airlines end up with so many negative points, especially about the lack of cleaning and cabin maintenance.
It’s the unfortunate truth at this point. I do hope the management can start to take some pride in their airlines with new airplanes and airports coming so that they can start a new chapter, as they have the culture and location to really offer a wonderful product
Excellent coverage. I never flew with Air Algérie business class nor have I ever been on such a long flight, but I'm actually quite surprised that besides the seat size, there is pretty much no difference between Air Algérie business class and economy. I'm pretty sure even the meal is the same. How much did you pay for this ticket?
لاتنسي أنا جزائر حررت أمركين الذين إختطفو ولاتنسي أنا جزائر تريخها عريق ودولة الثوار والحمد الله انا أفضل شركة طيران في عالم هي عربية وإسمها خطوط الجوية القطرية
Those headphones are actually used for the “music” channels. I remember AVIANCA’s 767s in the 90s using this system. They even play movies on the bulkhead TVs! 😂
@@PatrickSheaAviation I am sorry that you had a bad experience, I’m Algerian and I never fly with AA on long distance. But seriously when you pay $1000 for business class from Algiers to Montreal you would expect this service. Also I don’t know if you mentioned the price in the video but it would make sense to add it. I don’t excuse the quality of the service of AA, I think it was terrible 🙃
@@samabd3665 it’s always great to hear from locals on these videos. That’s all good and true. I do look forward to trying out their new aircraft once those do arrive. Algeria’s location and culture puts it in a great spot to make a great airline, it just needs some work and desire from management
@@samabd3665 Everything is terrible in Algeria since 1962, every body knows this ! Dirtiness is a culture in Algeria that's why i'm not shocked by seeing this plane so dirty !
@@anthonydelcoure1264 your comment is terrible because Algeria is one of the best countries to visit. 1962 is our year of independance. We prefer to live in a country that is dirty than having the nasty French people enslaving our people… are you French ?? From your comment we know how dirty your are inside and out.
Glad my love Tunisia Airline did not disappoint you this much.. I’m from New Zealand.. Hope you will come fly Air New Zealand if you haven’t already..I’ve never flown Air New Zealand, only United Airlines when they used to transit here, emirates and my most favourite Qatar..
The escalator down to the bridge is always a death trap. Police stops all people there and the passenger flows just continues, i have seen a lot of people felt down there
😂😂 I took recently a business class from Algiers to Doha, with the new seats cabine and it was amazing,honestly I was afraid to find those old seats too cause I know them
I am hoping they continue to install the new seats... I'll be back once the new aircraft arrive and *hopefully* will have better feelings about it after that
I came 5 days ago on your seats 3A 7T VJV and I am totally agree with you , I do this flight 5 time a year and It is always the same aircraft coming and going to algeria , the new one it is only for CDG, PKX, DXB.... I feel shame for my country because I know that they can do better, hope for the best but your video is excellent and objective.
Hey, very interesting video! Hopefully they start flying their newer wide bodies on this route soon. I would have been upset too flying on the one you were on. Did you need to get a visa to fly to Algeria or did you just transit through Algiers?
I did need a visa for Algeria, but if you transit, then there’s no need. I would think once their new aircraft arrive, that we will see the upgraded product on this route… or at least I hope
If you need to be in the newer business class you should take abother route, like Algiers-Doha or Algiers-Dubai Algiers-Beijing, they use it more frequently in these routes
@@PatrickSheaAviation maybe for the density, they need more number of seats 💺, or just forgot to set it properly due to late execution or unrevised policies, I mean it's common for our country to set slow solutions or cover plenty of problems 😔😕, anyways whenever you feel like you can try it, I'll be waiting to see the review 😁😉
@@PatrickSheaAviation I have to say the cabins are also dirty and have little leg room when extended and small storage boxes, but the overall is much better than what you've been into, and the crew service and food quality adds more to the equation ofc ❤️
I think that was one of the 2005 a330s, cuz Air Algérie has 5 old ones and 3 newer a330s delivered in 2015, with 251 seats and 20 of them business class seats 💺, but the a330 neos and a350s coming in few years, we'll hop up a bit, but don't worry, even these old cabins are about to be changed, like the 5 737-600s that already started
It doesn't matter. If the horrible crew members don't get fired, Air Algérie will sadly remain trash. Today aug 4 I took the same flight and the crew was awful, just 3 crew members were working, the pilot was insulting passengers. I still hope one day this company at least gets better.
Nice footage! It's my first time running into your channel. Your video could really benefit form a higher quality microphone for the voice-over; there's quite a bit of echo. A simple, dynamic USB mic could be a great solution for you! Or you could record in an environment with more soft surfaces.
As an Algerian traveler , I’m using Air Algérie most of the time .. and I can relate to your video and experience, but I can truly say that it’s dépends, sometimes you have also flight with planes much much cleaner and with plate much tasty . You had a pretty tough experience I can see, but trust me air Algérie worth better than that …
Hi Patrick what a disappointing and frustrating conditions you gone thru your Air Algerie long haul flight. I'm Algerian and never jump on Air Algerie flights when heading overseas coz deeply in my mind and in prior I know what disappointments I definitively will face if not aircraft interior conditions it will be flight attendents attitude and arrogance and food quality service. Air Algerie allows these disappointing situations with firm intention to strenghthen and root frustration into passengers bodies and minds. All Algerians are well familiar and hitorically experienced with Air Algerie service quality turbulances. Good luck.
I only managed to watch 9 minutes of the video so far, YIKES! This was rough. No IFE for a 12 hour flight. I'm shocked, don't know why anyone would book to go on this. Thanks for trying it, I'll be sure to avoid.
Air Algérie ordered many brand new A350-1000 and A330neo aircrafts to renew its long haul flights fleet and also 737-9 max for short flights , so we expect much better in the future for sure…however they should have definitely refurbished the current fleet in the meantime, I mean it’s still operating!!!
Oh yes! But unfortunately nothing happened with them on this flight. I was hoping to at least be able to listen in to ATC… I do miss when that was a normal thing you could do with these buttons
I remember that “IFE” in AVIANCA’s 90’s 767s. They even played movies in the bulkhead TVs! You could use the headphones to listen to the audio from the movies or change the channel to music by genres (In a pre-set, no skipping!) 😂
Thank you! Now I’m waiting for their renovated business class to start showing up so we can see if they really do take this opportunity to improve themselves
They work so much better on their new A330-200, I recently flew on there and the quality compared was so much better, it was clean, food wasn’t cold and it was really enjoyable
Dirt has nothing to do with plane models. Algeria is ruled by a corrupt military junta and they use Air Algerie as a way to hire their relatives and pay them with hard currency. This airline has the worst crash record in North-Africa. Flying with them is a big act of courage.
I remember - I flew to Oran in 1987 , with a Boing 737- 200 . Oh dear ..no one spoke english. Only arab and french. I was 21 years old and going to visit my algerian boyfreind...❤ in Oran .
Recently when I flew with their new A330-200 variant, the quality was quite good and was much more different compared to him flying with the older variant.
Yeah i think people forget their experience with the same company gonna defer. Depending of did you get the old still fuctionning gear or new gear/renovated gear Depending if you got good employees who take their work seriously. Or the bad employees who dont care about their job quality etc Its the same about hotel. And everything else
Like this seat would be fine for a 2-3 hour flight but crossing the Atlantic especially on a night flight would be torture in 2024. This would have been fine in 2000s and maybe early 2010s but not today.
Yikes, that 'old' business class is something you would have seen 20 years ago (as airlines were moving to flat beds) - it's quite sad how some countries don't take pride in their state-owned airlines. The lack of cleanliness is revolting.
As someone who works inflight catering (and an avid aviation fan who loves air travel), I guess I can safely say that the plane isn't as sanitised as it could have been 🥲 And as for the meal service, the tray set-up and main course didn't really look as pleasing as I expected for a business class flight. Awesome video, nevertheless. :)
Another great review. I love your style and tone. I think when we travel as much as you you do we are sometimes spoilt with the service in premium cabins on some airlines. I too would be disappointed with the first meal it looked dry and bland but the pre arrival meal looked OK ish.. Seat wise being 6ft6 Id have taken its got to be better than economy view for width and legroom but I fully see how you can be disappointed with the cleanliness and shabby old/tired cabin. Have you tried Icelandair's Business class product across the pond? Its Premium Economy Plus id say price wise and service wise with a comfy business class seat, decent lounge in Iceland and free stopover programme on US-Europe Itinenaries
OK as in American Algerian here I cannot tell you how much Algeria pisses me off I flew in Algeria one time and I probably want to go back ever again they are just bad but hopefully with the new airplanes they will be better. I’m willing to give them another chance in the future, I prefer to fly Delta with a stopover in Paris, I definitely understand your frustration and I thank you for making this video to bring awareness to the problem
The joys of traveling. Equipment swapping does happen, and it either elevates your experience or forces you to throttle back on your expectations. Ultimately, comfort (discomfort), good (bad), superior (inferior), etc, are relative to the individual and a matter of definition - most notably when there is no choice in the matter.
As an algerian I am ashamed to see this. We can find excuses for many things but not for a disgusting dirty cabin. I hope one day my people will no longer have to be ashamed by their airline. However, your video was really good and respectful even though you were not respected by this airline. Are you going to post your Montreal-Algiers flight?
I didn’t film any content on that flight, just because I was trying to sleep the whole time. I definitely want to try Air Algerie once the new aircraft arrive next year. Hopefully they can sort out some of the mess and the new fleet can mark a new chapter for the airline and the country. I’m excited to try that out soon!
@@PatrickSheaAviation Air Algérie is not a compagny, it's actually a state's administration, Air Algérie is not a compagny which seeks to make profits and this situation has been going on for decades...
@@213-z7u Your country was created and built by us, there was no "algerian" state before 1962 and since then, algerian people dream only about to leave Algeria and come to France and you know that very well ! Did you know that Algeria was economically more developped than Spain, Portugal and Greece in 1962 ?
Thanks Patrick for another great trip report. What can I say? Air Algerie beats Tunisair and not in a good way... gross and disgraceful…. well, it is what it is 🤷🏼♂️ Looking forward to your next trip report, cheers! 👊🏼😉
@@PatrickSheaAviation 😂😂😂😂😊😊😊😊😊😊 THANK U ONE OF THE RARE TIME I SAW A GOOD COMMENT ABOUT our national company. I think that our company tunisair became bad since révolution when i was young before 2011 it was ok for me. But you can try Nouvelair if u want an other tunisian company. You have a good chanel thank u for u video.
I understand you and sorry to hear about your experience,even me I am Algerian origin and I never fly with them I rather to add some money more and flight with different company ,
I am Algerian and have a long time didn't take Air Algerie. I took Air Algerie from Paris to Algiers recently and the flight was on time and correct. However, inside the plan it looks very dirty. I sat down and the walls are very dirty and also the seats! Hchouma please clean up inside the plan.
This is what happens where people working in those planes (and for the company as a whole) are hired based on accountaince and not on skills and competence.
That is exactly the problem. Air Algerie jobs are among the most demanded and they go for connected people with no skills. Not only they have no skills, they also feel protected and can't be disciplined. Same issue for all big government owned companies, and that is why they run a deficit almost all the time.
@@PatrickSheaAviation No route, except the one to Beijing, is exclusively operated by one cabin or another. However, Air Algérie has 5 planes with old cabin, and 3 with new, for long haul flights. It is just more probable from these numbers that you would get the old layout.
Non moi j ai voyager beaucoup beaucoup de foit ça n'a jammais était un torture car l importance c est d'arriver saint et sauf selui qui aime pas air algerie ou l algerie tout cours il vien pas c est le comportement typique d un français critiquer se qui appartient à l'Algérie
@@utb45 Je suis algérien, j'aime Air Algérie et l'Algérie. Cela dit, c'est simplement épouvantable ces hôtesses, stewards et pilotes aussi impolis, désagréables et SURTOUT arrogants. Ils ne font pas leur travail, pourrissent le voyage des passagers, n'assurent aucunement la sécurité et en plus de ça ils préférent passer le vol entre eux plutôt qu'à travailler alors qu'on paie, mis à part ça Air Algérie n'est pas si mal et je sais qu'une infime minorité font bien leur travail. Air Algérie ne réussira pas tant qu'elle ne se débarassera pas de ses équipages qui ressemblent à des douaniers.
I would have NOT been happy - I went to look at prices and it’s about $1100 one way, about the price of an economy plus which is what that looked like….from 1992. 9 hours is a long ass flight in those seats. Better to just buy three seats in coach and spread out.
And, just like that, Ethiopian economy from Buenos Aires looks like a lavish excursion. The state of that cabin!! The mere fact that you ate what they served you in there... Sadly, I experience flights like this regularly travelling through Africa, India and China. And, however long these flights are, I usually keep my hands firmly in my pockets let alone have a meal. Having said that, your trainers have seen better days.
Air Algerie is not the best airline in the world but the plains that covers long hall flight are usually in a very good shape . The staff are very friendly and the pilots are very professional and competent. Clearly you don’t make a difference between business and fist class. You sound American we know the shit airline that operate in the USA . Lastly don’t expect miracles if your tickets wasn’t more €2000. To flight from Paris to Canada first class it’s 5000€
I mean Air Algerie may have some good things going for it, but for one of their longest flights to have an offering like this in Business Class is laughably horrible. I know they have new planes arriving, so we can just hope they fix their issues with those
That’s very true, but that’s also not their market. They work more on point-to-point travelers. People will fly with them for the direct flight options at least
Safe to say there are room for improvement here, but bear in mind that this is a tier world country, created only 60 years ago. They will learn and get better ❤ you can’t compare that experience to big country carrier as Algerian standard are way lower than ours. Good video !
Well said! I do believe that compared to other countries on their level, they are still below average, but at least they have new airplanes on the way… so the best is yet to come
@@pipoune91 الجزائر استقلت في 1962 اما تاريخها فهو كبير جدا فنحن قمنا بأعظم ثورة في القرن العشرين اما السياحة عندنا فيأتينا كل عام 3 مليون سائح اجنبي و هذا الشيئ لا يسعدنا كجزائريين لان دولتنا سابقا لم تكن تشجع السياحة و الان عادت الى الواجهة
@@abdoushow6137 There is no way 3 million tourists visit Algeria every year 😊 May be 3 people at the most 😊 زكك يالبهيم ، 🤣🤣 قالوا ثورة ؟؟ واش يقولوا الفيتنام وكوبا والروس والصين ووو، تبهدايلكم أصبحت عالمية يالجاهل ، ادرس الانجليزية حتى تفهم تعاليق وتعرف انك تعيش في بلد الخراء وبشهادة عالمية 🤣. القوة الحازقة أصبحت حزقة كونية. Algeria 🇩🇿 = North Korea🇰🇵 Same shit different continent
quel cauchemar! (what a nightmare) such a gross n sketchy experience (the 'eau de vomit' tray table was def revolting, never mind the overall ambience of uncleanliness), so sad that this older model is what they've assigned for flights to YUL, at least you caught a nice view of MTL on descent (lightning n all) altho deplaning seemed like a royal headache. kudos for persevering thru that, you certainly won't catch me flying with them
Awesome flight review there Patrick.....Those dates on that table would be a BIG no no,re trying to bring them into NZ.,as our customs dept is very strict re this type of thing.That business class lounge upon departure looked more like a third world upgrade with sweet F.A food selection & that A330 plane is ready for the scrap yard along with it's airline staff.
Interesting. There were proper ways I was able to get some dates from that shop. Every country’s rules I guess are just a bit different. I just have to declare them and it usually isn’t an issue here at least
@@PatrickSheaAviation Yes! even if I declared those dates,customs still won’t allow me to bring them into my country.,fruit/nuts/vegetables/ just to name a few are things people try to sneak in to NZ.But if caught there is a extensive fines imposed !.
Air Algerie, known as Air Couscous, never let me down, we have a great relationship, i don't fly with them, they don't disappoint me.
Just racism
What bring couscous to the plane, i like your logic. You just racist
Nice video as always!! Really like it too see these exotic airlines being reviewed 🙂 keep up the good work mate
Thanks a bunch! Appreciate it
I did the same
Hahaha..just look at that happy mugshot at 26:31. Reminds me of the faces I saw in my local supermarket this morning at 7.45am. They'd had to leave their freezing beds to get to work., poor things.😆
Even the Algerian don’t like air Algérie
That’s true
Lol we don't, I can confirm
@@Badidibidouشكام وفأر... كي نتا كي لي حط
Why u do not renounce The Algerian passport ??
زففر شكامين...
True
So true
Excellent video. I'm glad that you were not arrested when taking the pictures in the departure hall. That shows that Algeria is evolving.
I haven't flown AH since decades, when it was a correct carrier.
Algeria being a rich country, Air Algérie being a public enterprise, they ought to have more decent airplanes.
It's a matter of governance not money.
New airplanes showing up should hopefully bring new life to the airline as well. It’ll be great to see and I hope to go back and check it out once that happens
الغاشي الراشي كما انت اموت على السب في بلاداه
مخدوعين و رخاس
Algeria is a third World country
Excellent coverage and objective as always. Thanks Patrick!
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
incredibly informative! appreciate the clear explanations. Thanks' for sharing that's give us a clear idea about the company but i think there is no other alternative carriers that operate that same flight?
Air Canada does actually fly to Algiers as well, so you do have another option. Hopefully when Air Algerie’s new fleet arrives, they’ll be competitive again
@@PatrickSheaAviation yes Air Canada does fly here but only summer seasonal service 😅
4:29 was there something called selecto for sodas? Cause If there was, you missed out on a lot
The cabin is so dirty!!!! No excuses for that. Thanks for sharing.
For me, I recently flew the A330-200 to Algeria from LHR, it was so much better compared to the video and I’ve enjoyed the new variant cabin it was clean and refreshed, food wasn’t cold and the cabin crew were more interactive.
That’s good. I’m hoping to see a total revamp with the new aircraft arriving. I’d hate to see new A350s being neglected in the same way
@@PatrickSheaAviationt'inquiète en algeire c est avion était très propre les premiers années mais ils comence à devenir vieux les nouveaux avion puisque se seront des meilleurs avion il vont bien en prendre soin
Did they have in-flight entertainment?
@@davidbrown5628 Yea Ofcourse, they had lots of themes like live sports, movies, films and other things like that.
@@PatrickSheaAviation We all hope that. 😂
J espère que la direction d air algerie visione la vidéo plusieurs fois pour avoir un petit peux de motivation pour le changement dans la bonne direction
The people mover is actually called a mobile lounge. Aside from Dulles, CDG also had such large people movers for a long time, though I don't see them these days in any of the videos on TH-cam.
Great video, I'm liking your content. Nice work!
Thanks! That’s interesting, I didn’t know they were at CDG
@@PatrickSheaAviation yep I rode in those a few times at CDG, back in the day. In '02 and '04 if memory serves me correctly. Quite large as well.
Tom Scott did a video about them a few months ago
have you previously taken air canada for the same destination.
recently the air canada flight left 23 hours late, because the pilot had missed a connecting flight to reach algiers, and once airborne, the in-flight cathering service as well as the menu were deplorable
compared to what air algerie offers
That sounds horrible! But it is understandable as it’s not the easiest airport to get to, comparatively to other airports nearby
At least when you fly Air Canada you get acceptable service, clean cabin and good entertainment. I hope one day Air Algérie will stop being so terrible.
At 15:49 What was the name of the GPS app?
ForeFlight
The screen that you showed with the waypoints...is that an app that I can put on my phone, or is that a different system? I've ben looking for something like that for a while now. Thanks!
It’s ForeFlight. I use it for my flying for work
@@PatrickSheaAviation Thank you! I will look into it.
11:00
What's that yellow plane?
ASL airline france
Excellent video If it right out Frankfurt Germany in Canadian French it's spelled as Francfort sur le Main which is where Air Canada 845 is coming from. Speaking of the air Algérie business class seat old version it is exactly the same as a Cathay Pacific 1990s Long Haul seat and the Regional Business class seats also Korean Air Prestige Class B737-9B5/ER pre retrofitted B777-300 like HL-7573 unless retrofitted to resemble the A321-271N. IFE screen is in your right armrest. I'm wondering which of the Legacy carriers in the United States still use this setup in the domestic fleet.
US CBP Stamp is MTL for Aéroport Pierre Eliot Trudeau provided you went back to California from Montreal via Newark Airport. For Canadians go to Montreal Airport to Florida they would simply drive to the US border Plattsburgh,NY or Burlington, VT that way they can simply pay the domestic price. There are 2-2-2 business class seats are flatbed example of these in California are the Korean Air Airbus A380 services. Also 2-3-2 flat bed seats SFO/LAX PR Mabuhay Class Korean Air Prestige Class B777-3B5/ER sleeper seats.
I recently flew Air Algerie's new 737-800 from Moscow to Algiers, the cabin is freshely new and its not dirty, seats are slightely enjoyable and the food is... Very delicious. I can say that some planes are a big catastrophe, including this one. Hope they will upgrade it soon. Thanks for the review Pat!
Glad you liked it! Thanks!
No problem!
Air Algérie tbahdila
I flew Their 737-800 a couple of time and they are even worse Air Algerie is a mess
@@steveohana6216those are from 2003-2011 ones quite old, but renewed in 2020
I would like to know how much the cost .please thx
That's a shocker of a flight for business class ... the cleanliness ... can't complain about it, there is NONE ... and that food ... makes Air Koryo looks like haute-cuisine ... safe travels 🥂
Sad to see that most of flight reviews from North African airlines end up with so many negative points, especially about the lack of cleaning and cabin maintenance.
It’s the unfortunate truth at this point. I do hope the management can start to take some pride in their airlines with new airplanes and airports coming so that they can start a new chapter, as they have the culture and location to really offer a wonderful product
What do you mean north African airlines????
Do you know how many countries are in north Africa???
@@yosefzentino2268 I mean Tunisair, RAM, Air Algérie, Egyptair
Excellent coverage. I never flew with Air Algérie business class nor have I ever been on such a long flight, but I'm actually quite surprised that besides the seat size, there is pretty much no difference between Air Algérie business class and economy. I'm pretty sure even the meal is the same.
How much did you pay for this ticket?
Good notes! This flight was around $800
Omg I actually cracked up watching your video. I feel so bad for you but at least you arrived safe...
Travel is all about the journey… as good or bad as that journey may be 🤷♂️
لاتنسي أنا جزائر حررت أمركين الذين إختطفو ولاتنسي أنا جزائر تريخها عريق ودولة الثوار والحمد الله انا أفضل شركة طيران في عالم هي عربية وإسمها خطوط الجوية القطرية
@@pronazaro8091 😂😂🤣
Those headphones are actually used for the “music” channels. I remember AVIANCA’s 767s in the 90s using this system. They even play movies on the bulkhead TVs! 😂
Totally. Although the music and live ATC channels weren’t working on the seat controls
How much did you pay for this flight ?
This flight runs for about $1000 USD
@@PatrickSheaAviation I am sorry that you had a bad experience, I’m Algerian and I never fly with AA on long distance. But seriously when you pay $1000 for business class from Algiers to Montreal you would expect this service. Also I don’t know if you mentioned the price in the video but it would make sense to add it. I don’t excuse the quality of the service of AA, I think it was terrible 🙃
@@samabd3665 it’s always great to hear from locals on these videos. That’s all good and true. I do look forward to trying out their new aircraft once those do arrive. Algeria’s location and culture puts it in a great spot to make a great airline, it just needs some work and desire from management
@@samabd3665 Everything is terrible in Algeria since 1962, every body knows this !
Dirtiness is a culture in Algeria that's why i'm not shocked by seeing this plane so dirty !
@@anthonydelcoure1264 your comment is terrible because Algeria is one of the best countries to visit. 1962 is our year of independance. We prefer to live in a country that is dirty than having the nasty French people enslaving our people… are you French ?? From your comment we know how dirty your are inside and out.
Glad my love Tunisia Airline did not disappoint you this much.. I’m from New Zealand.. Hope you will come fly Air New Zealand if you haven’t already..I’ve never flown Air New Zealand, only United Airlines when they used to transit here, emirates and my most favourite Qatar..
I’ve never flown Air New Zealand but their SkyCouch intrigued me. Especially because of how expensive their business class can be
Hello, do you mind share the App name please ? and if there any equivalent for Android ? thank's
It’s just the ForeFlight app. I use it when I fly for work. I’m not sure about android but it was designed mostly for Apple products
Can you try Air Canada Montréal Algiers??? Plsss
I definitely want to try Air Canada’s long haul service, although I haven’t chosen an exact route yet
That was a 737-600, we still have 5 of them which are the only ones worldwide besides Janet Airlines ones
Good to know. Exciting!
@@PatrickSheaAviation yeah 😅
Une vidéo vielle d un an qu on passe et repasse sur les réseaux dans quel but?
Hello. what is the pilotr app you are using ?
Thanks for sharing I was about to book their business but NO WAY. This is so bad.
Yea… although with new aircraft arriving I’m tempted to get back out there and try them again
The escalator down to the bridge is always a death trap. Police stops all people there and the passenger flows just continues, i have seen a lot of people felt down there
😂😂 I took recently a business class from Algiers to Doha, with the new seats cabine and it was amazing,honestly I was afraid to find those old seats too cause I know them
I am hoping they continue to install the new seats... I'll be back once the new aircraft arrive and *hopefully* will have better feelings about it after that
I came 5 days ago on your seats 3A 7T VJV and I am totally agree with you , I do this flight 5 time a year and It is always the same aircraft coming and going to algeria , the new one it is only for CDG, PKX, DXB.... I feel shame for my country because I know that they can do better, hope for the best but your video is excellent and objective.
Well I do hope that the new aircraft arriving will be a nice refresh for Air Algerie, and I look forward to trying those out when they arrive!
Any how I just started following you I love your content and when those aircraft come to Air Algerie , try it :) @@PatrickSheaAviation
Hey, very interesting video! Hopefully they start flying their newer wide bodies on this route soon. I would have been upset too flying on the one you were on. Did you need to get a visa to fly to Algeria or did you just transit through Algiers?
I did need a visa for Algeria, but if you transit, then there’s no need. I would think once their new aircraft arrive, that we will see the upgraded product on this route… or at least I hope
@@PatrickSheaAviation thanks!
Is Air Algiers a dry airline
They are
il y'a combien d'heure de vol entre Alger et Montréal ?
8
If you need to be in the newer business class you should take abother route, like Algiers-Doha or Algiers-Dubai Algiers-Beijing, they use it more frequently in these routes
I do want to come back and try the new product, although I am a little confused as to why they don’t use it on Montreal, one of their longer flights
@@PatrickSheaAviation maybe for the density, they need more number of seats 💺, or just forgot to set it properly due to late execution or unrevised policies, I mean it's common for our country to set slow solutions or cover plenty of problems 😔😕, anyways whenever you feel like you can try it, I'll be waiting to see the review 😁😉
@@PatrickSheaAviation I have to say the cabins are also dirty and have little leg room when extended and small storage boxes, but the overall is much better than what you've been into, and the crew service and food quality adds more to the equation ofc ❤️
Would really love to know what that app you use is
ForeFlight. I use it for my own flying… but it works here too
air algerie sure had a massive upgrade, the best ive seen was their 737 from moscow to algiers, got some good tea and extra cake
I do want to get out there once their new aircraft arrive and give a good chance to their new product
@@PatrickSheaAviationyou want the Max 9? Well it'll be new but a bit crowded more than -800's
@@abdelkadermehiz9407 I’m more referring to the A330neo and A350s
One of them is 7T-VKJ the one I took from Oran to Algiers, on my video 😁😅
@@PatrickSheaAviation yes the big boys ✈️✈️, can't wait to see them
I think that was one of the 2005 a330s, cuz Air Algérie has 5 old ones and 3 newer a330s delivered in 2015, with 251 seats and 20 of them business class seats 💺, but the a330 neos and a350s coming in few years, we'll hop up a bit, but don't worry, even these old cabins are about to be changed, like the 5 737-600s that already started
What a disaster this country😮😮😮
@@brahimchaouki6328 yeah I know but whatever
It doesn't matter. If the horrible crew members don't get fired, Air Algérie will sadly remain trash. Today aug 4 I took the same flight and the crew was awful, just 3 crew members were working, the pilot was insulting passengers. I still hope one day this company at least gets better.
@@213-z7u yeah I know I just mentioned to him about the seats on ads, but still we take a step forward only to get further behind shortly after 😔
@@213-z7u anyways I do hope to get a chance to get out as well 😉
YIKES! If I had a parachute, I would have used it 😝😝😝
Love it, yesss!! 🤣🤣
Hey! What’s the name of the app you use to track your localisation ? Thanks
I use ForeFlight for that. I use it for work so I have the paid subscription to it. But it does come in handy at times on airline flights
Nice footage! It's my first time running into your channel. Your video could really benefit form a higher quality microphone for the voice-over; there's quite a bit of echo. A simple, dynamic USB mic could be a great solution for you! Or you could record in an environment with more soft surfaces.
@MarkusTravels You'll find Patrick's audio better in his other reviews. I wonder if he had some difficulty rendering the video.
@@pcmacintyre I'll be sure to check out some others then!
Thanks again for a very informative video.
Thanks! Glad you liked it
Thank you for the constructive review. I hope that Air Algerie management will sit down, watch this and take notes to fix this messy Airline.
What is the device you were using to determine your position?
I use ForeFlight for my job flying at home, and it was able to help me with my position for parts of this flight
You should try the Air Algérie a330 to dubai or doha route they use the new a330 not the old ones
I’m hoping to try out their A350s once those arrive. Then I’ll definitely get to see the new product
@@PatrickSheaAviation yes. As per airbus they will start delivering on 2025
Thanks for this objective review & for flying this plane/route so we don't have to.
Thanks!
Algeria .never 😊
As an Algerian traveler , I’m using Air Algérie most of the time .. and I can relate to your video and experience, but I can truly say that it’s dépends, sometimes you have also flight with planes much much cleaner and with plate much tasty . You had a pretty tough experience I can see, but trust me air Algérie worth better than that …
I definitely want to return once they have their new fleet and see how they renovate their brand. They could definitely do something special with it
Never fly with air algerie!!!
As soon as Emirates started flying to Algiers from Dubai, my family and I directly started going on it since air algeire was bad
Hi, how you applied for visa?
You just have to reach out to the local embassy to get your visa
Hi Patrick what a disappointing and frustrating conditions you gone thru your Air Algerie long haul flight. I'm Algerian and never jump on Air Algerie flights when heading overseas coz deeply in my mind and in prior I know what disappointments I definitively will face if not aircraft interior conditions it will be flight attendents attitude and arrogance and food quality service. Air Algerie allows these disappointing situations with firm intention to strenghthen and root frustration into passengers bodies and minds. All Algerians are well familiar and hitorically experienced with Air Algerie service quality turbulances. Good luck.
That’s unfortunate. I would love to come back and try their new airplanes when they arrive in a year or two since I did enjoy my time in Algiers
The crew is definitely the worse in this trash airline
I only managed to watch 9 minutes of the video so far, YIKES! This was rough. No IFE for a 12 hour flight. I'm shocked, don't know why anyone would book to go on this. Thanks for trying it, I'll be sure to avoid.
Air Algérie ordered many brand new A350-1000 and A330neo aircrafts to renew its long haul flights fleet and also 737-9 max for short flights , so we expect much better in the future for sure…however they should have definitely refurbished the current fleet in the meantime, I mean it’s still operating!!!
Exactly. I think that was mentioned in the video. I am excited to try the new fleet when it arrives
@@PatrickSheaAviationI’d be pleased to experience it as well.
In Algeria we call That Airline Company Air Couscous
🤣🤣 love it!
I would have walked off the flight before it left. You are a better person than me
I had to give them a fair shot at least 🤷♂️😂
Wow! I bet there's worse. Relax
what app did you use to track the flight ?
What's the app you're using?
I’m assuming you’re referring to the map. I use ForeFlight. I have all my subscriptions for it for my job flying back home
This Air Algerie A330 is old and has not been refurbished. Based on the check. It was manufactured in 2006.
Correct. They do have a new batch of A330s that are nicer and an order of new airplanes on the way. I guess we hope for better things
The buttons on the armchair was (before IFE) used to control different music chanels. That was the only onboard entertainment 😊
Oh yes! But unfortunately nothing happened with them on this flight. I was hoping to at least be able to listen in to ATC… I do miss when that was a normal thing you could do with these buttons
I remember that “IFE” in AVIANCA’s 90’s 767s. They even played movies in the bulkhead TVs! You could use the headphones to listen to the audio from the movies or change the channel to music by genres (In a pre-set, no skipping!) 😂
Algerian here. I admit our airline is shitty 💀
Ha! I’m holding out hope that the new fleet order arriving soon will bring a new look to the airline!
Terrible configuration for business class. Thanks Patrick for your nice, simple and understandable video
Thank you! Now I’m waiting for their renovated business class to start showing up so we can see if they really do take this opportunity to improve themselves
What a disgusting product they are offering!
They work so much better on their new A330-200, I recently flew on there and the quality compared was so much better, it was clean, food wasn’t cold and it was really enjoyable
Dirt has nothing to do with plane models. Algeria is ruled by a corrupt military junta and they use Air Algerie as a way to hire their relatives and pay them with hard currency. This airline has the worst crash record in North-Africa. Flying with them is a big act of courage.
@@karimboulman4036 wawwww crashes with AA. What a liar ??? What’s your proof and statistics ?
@@samabd3665 don't trust him.. he's Moroccan
@@Ka3boul_family right! I am sure he’s 😃😃😃
You might want to do next a review of Royal Air Maroc. Just to do a comparison between the three North African Airlines .
That one is definitely on my list. I’ve only ever tried their economy class, but it was wonderful
Don't want to imagine how economy class looks like, I usually fly with Air France way better product and experience!
The worse is that you pay to get disrespected by the cabin crew. It's way better to fly Air France or Air Canada.
I think you are a much nicer person than I am. I would have been really mad to have to fly that distance in those seats and not have a bed.
+ the crew is catastrophic. The worst people you will see if traveling to Algeria are air algerie crew members.
@@213-z7u
Totally true, Algerian people
are naturally rude
Like I flew BA’s open skies back in 2015 in business and it was a better seat than this.
I remember - I flew to Oran in 1987 , with a Boing 737- 200 .
Oh dear ..no one spoke english. Only arab and french.
I was 21 years old and going to visit my algerian boyfreind...❤ in Oran .
Yikes! That whole flight felt like it was from hell! Thanks for review!
Recently when I flew with their new A330-200 variant, the quality was quite good and was much more different compared to him flying with the older variant.
Yeah i think people forget their experience with the same company gonna defer. Depending of did you get the old still fuctionning gear or new gear/renovated gear
Depending if you got good employees who take their work seriously. Or the bad employees who dont care about their job quality etc
Its the same about hotel. And everything else
I see you are not a fun of Algeria.
when Air Algerie is ever on time, that's when you should worry.
Great video and beautiful photography from you. I also travel with Air Algerie. It is amazing ✈️
Like this seat would be fine for a 2-3 hour flight but crossing the Atlantic especially on a night flight would be torture in 2024.
This would have been fine in 2000s and maybe early 2010s but not today.
Ouch! This would seriously stress me out! Always check Seatguru for cabin configs and avoid surprises!
Oh I always do… unfortunately this one’s not on there
Yikes, that 'old' business class is something you would have seen 20 years ago (as airlines were moving to flat beds) - it's quite sad how some countries don't take pride in their state-owned airlines. The lack of cleanliness is revolting.
It does seem almost as if this airline is just stuck in the past. Here’s to hoping they can figure the mess out before they get the new aircraft
@@PatrickSheaAviationthey ordered 15 new aircrafts
@@Axeloo5984 W9tach ydkhlo llkhedma ??
As someone who works inflight catering (and an avid aviation fan who loves air travel), I guess I can safely say that the plane isn't as sanitised as it could have been 🥲 And as for the meal service, the tray set-up and main course didn't really look as pleasing as I expected for a business class flight. Awesome video, nevertheless. :)
Thanks man. Glad to hear the input. The plane and food definitely had a strange smell…
Another great review. I love your style and tone. I think when we travel as much as you you do we are sometimes spoilt with the service in premium cabins on some airlines. I too would be disappointed with the first meal it looked dry and bland but the pre arrival meal looked OK ish.. Seat wise being 6ft6 Id have taken its got to be better than economy view for width and legroom but I fully see how you can be disappointed with the cleanliness and shabby old/tired cabin. Have you tried Icelandair's Business class product across the pond? Its Premium Economy Plus id say price wise and service wise with a comfy business class seat, decent lounge in Iceland and free stopover programme on US-Europe Itinenaries
All valid points! I haven’t flown IcelandAir. I was supposed to but then Covid messed with my plans. So it’s still on my list
OK as in American Algerian here I cannot tell you how much Algeria pisses me off I flew in Algeria one time and I probably want to go back ever again they are just bad but hopefully with the new airplanes they will be better. I’m willing to give them another chance in the future, I prefer to fly Delta with a stopover in Paris, I definitely understand your frustration and I thank you for making this video to bring awareness to the problem
The joys of traveling. Equipment swapping does happen, and it either elevates your experience or forces you to throttle back on your expectations. Ultimately, comfort (discomfort), good (bad), superior (inferior), etc, are relative to the individual and a matter of definition - most notably when there is no choice in the matter.
As an algerian I am ashamed to see this. We can find excuses for many things but not for a disgusting dirty cabin. I hope one day my people will no longer have to be ashamed by their airline. However, your video was really good and respectful even though you were not respected by this airline. Are you going to post your Montreal-Algiers flight?
I didn’t film any content on that flight, just because I was trying to sleep the whole time. I definitely want to try Air Algerie once the new aircraft arrive next year. Hopefully they can sort out some of the mess and the new fleet can mark a new chapter for the airline and the country. I’m excited to try that out soon!
Algerian people are ashamed of everything in their country since 1962 and you as an algerian you know that very well....
@@PatrickSheaAviation Air Algérie is not a compagny, it's actually a state's administration, Air Algérie is not a compagny which seeks to make profits and this situation has been going on for decades...
@@anthonydelcoure1264 We're ashamed of almost everything in our country since 1830, indeed.
@@213-z7u Your country was created and built by us, there was no "algerian" state before 1962 and since then, algerian people dream only about to leave Algeria and come to France and you know that very well !
Did you know that Algeria was economically more developped than Spain, Portugal and Greece in 1962 ?
Thanks Patrick for another great trip report.
What can I say? Air Algerie beats Tunisair and not in a good way... gross and disgraceful…. well, it is what it is 🤷🏼♂️
Looking forward to your next trip report, cheers! 👊🏼😉
Glad you liked it! And yes, I would totally choose Tunisair over Air Algerie when given the choice
@@PatrickSheaAviation 😂😂😂😂😊😊😊😊😊😊 THANK U ONE OF THE RARE TIME I SAW A GOOD COMMENT ABOUT our national company.
I think that our company tunisair became bad since révolution when i was young before 2011 it was ok for me. But you can try Nouvelair if u want an other tunisian company.
You have a good chanel thank u for u video.
AA is not always bad. I am Algerian and never experienced such flight…
Yeah no one ask you to come😂
@@samabd3665AA is racist. If you're ot Algerian - they won't treat you well. Not with respect
Can you try RAM?
It’s on my list, I’ve only ever flown their economy class, which was wonderful!
I understand you and sorry to hear about your experience,even me I am Algerian origin and I never fly with them I rather to add some money more and flight with different company ,
I am Algerian and have a long time didn't take Air Algerie. I took Air Algerie from Paris to Algiers recently and the flight was on time and correct. However, inside the plan it looks very dirty. I sat down and the walls are very dirty and also the seats! Hchouma please clean up inside the plan.
You must our Royal Air Maroc business class!! You Will like it !!
I have flown them economy class and it was wonderful. Still haven’t tried their business class however
Youre flying in a poor Arab country in africa, how are you surprised? Terrible airline in a terrible country.
This is what happens where people working in those planes (and for the company as a whole) are hired based on accountaince and not on skills and competence.
That is exactly the problem. Air Algerie jobs are among the most demanded and they go for connected people with no skills. Not only they have no skills, they also feel protected and can't be disciplined. Same issue for all big government owned companies, and that is why they run a deficit almost all the time.
It is the 737-600 which is a NG.
Try the Algiers Dubai or Algiers Doha flight and you will find the plane. You will find modern planes of this type. Thank you👍
I plan to come back once they have their A350s, but it still seems weird that one of their longest flights has these ancient cabins
@@PatrickSheaAviation
The 350 aircraft will enter service in late 2024 and early 2025 and will be introduced with a new and modern design. Thank you.
@@PatrickSheaAviation No route, except the one to Beijing, is exclusively operated by one cabin or another. However, Air Algérie has 5 planes with old cabin, and 3 with new, for long haul flights. It is just more probable from these numbers that you would get the old layout.
What a torture, I am sorry for your experience.
Non moi j ai voyager beaucoup beaucoup de foit ça n'a jammais était un torture car l importance c est d'arriver saint et sauf selui qui aime pas air algerie ou l algerie tout cours il vien pas c est le comportement typique d un français critiquer se qui appartient à l'Algérie
bro there is no torture 😂
@@utb45Je suis Algérien et j'ai honte de voir cette horreur. Je n'ai plus voyagé avec Air Algérie depuis 25 ans.
@@karimbenh7622 la c ton problème
@@utb45 Je suis algérien, j'aime Air Algérie et l'Algérie. Cela dit, c'est simplement épouvantable ces hôtesses, stewards et pilotes aussi impolis, désagréables et SURTOUT arrogants. Ils ne font pas leur travail, pourrissent le voyage des passagers, n'assurent aucunement la sécurité et en plus de ça ils préférent passer le vol entre eux plutôt qu'à travailler alors qu'on paie, mis à part ça Air Algérie n'est pas si mal et je sais qu'une infime minorité font bien leur travail. Air Algérie ne réussira pas tant qu'elle ne se débarassera pas de ses équipages qui ressemblent à des douaniers.
I would have NOT been happy - I went to look at prices and it’s about $1100 one way, about the price of an economy plus which is what that looked like….from 1992. 9 hours is a long ass flight in those seats. Better to just buy three seats in coach and spread out.
Totally, or just use Air Canada instead 🤷♂️. Or wait for the new fleet to arrive
And, just like that, Ethiopian economy from Buenos Aires looks like a lavish excursion. The state of that cabin!! The mere fact that you ate what they served you in there... Sadly, I experience flights like this regularly travelling through Africa, India and China. And, however long these flights are, I usually keep my hands firmly in my pockets let alone have a meal.
Having said that, your trainers have seen better days.
These shoes have definitely seen plenty corners of the world… 🤣
can you give a comment about south african airways?
Nice but how much did u pay??
This flight is about $900 in business class
Im getting OCD just from looking at the seat. But great review regardless !!!!!!
Thanks! And totally… the seat is driving me crazy every time I see it
Air Algerie is not the best airline in the world but the plains that covers long hall flight are usually in a very good shape .
The staff are very friendly and the pilots are very professional and competent.
Clearly you don’t make a difference between business and fist class.
You sound American we know the shit airline that operate in the USA .
Lastly don’t expect miracles if your tickets wasn’t more €2000.
To flight from Paris to Canada first class it’s 5000€
I mean Air Algerie may have some good things going for it, but for one of their longest flights to have an offering like this in Business Class is laughably horrible. I know they have new planes arriving, so we can just hope they fix their issues with those
North African airlines just cannot compete with more innovative carriers such as Qatar or Turkish Airlines more committed to higher standards.
That’s very true, but that’s also not their market. They work more on point-to-point travelers. People will fly with them for the direct flight options at least
Because it's Patrick's coverage. If the same work was done by Mohamed, tons of critics will take place.
Safe to say there are room for improvement here, but bear in mind that this is a tier world country, created only 60 years ago. They will learn and get better ❤ you can’t compare that experience to big country carrier as Algerian standard are way lower than ours. Good video !
I want to add that unlike its neighbors (Morocco and Tunisia) there is almost zero tourism in Algeria, in comparison.
Well said! I do believe that compared to other countries on their level, they are still below average, but at least they have new airplanes on the way… so the best is yet to come
there is a video about Air Senegal on this channel, it's interesting to watch it to see the difference.
@@pipoune91
الجزائر استقلت في 1962
اما تاريخها فهو كبير جدا فنحن قمنا بأعظم ثورة في القرن العشرين اما السياحة عندنا فيأتينا كل عام 3 مليون سائح اجنبي و هذا الشيئ لا يسعدنا كجزائريين لان دولتنا سابقا لم تكن تشجع السياحة و الان عادت الى الواجهة
@@abdoushow6137
There is no way 3 million tourists visit Algeria every year 😊
May be 3 people at the most 😊
زكك يالبهيم ، 🤣🤣
قالوا ثورة ؟؟ واش يقولوا الفيتنام وكوبا والروس والصين ووو،
تبهدايلكم أصبحت عالمية يالجاهل ، ادرس الانجليزية حتى تفهم تعاليق وتعرف انك تعيش في بلد الخراء وبشهادة عالمية 🤣.
القوة الحازقة أصبحت حزقة كونية.
Algeria 🇩🇿 = North Korea🇰🇵
Same shit different continent
quel cauchemar! (what a nightmare) such a gross n sketchy experience (the 'eau de vomit' tray table was def revolting, never mind the overall ambience of uncleanliness), so sad that this older model is what they've assigned for flights to YUL, at least you caught a nice view of MTL on descent (lightning n all) altho deplaning seemed like a royal headache. kudos for persevering thru that, you certainly won't catch me flying with them
Here’s to hoping the new fleet is way better 🤞🤞
Awesome flight review there Patrick.....Those dates on that table would be a BIG no no,re trying to bring them into NZ.,as our customs dept is very strict re this type of thing.That business class lounge upon departure looked more like a third world upgrade with sweet F.A food selection & that A330 plane is ready for the scrap yard along with it's airline staff.
Interesting. There were proper ways I was able to get some dates from that shop. Every country’s rules I guess are just a bit different. I just have to declare them and it usually isn’t an issue here at least
@@PatrickSheaAviation Yes! even if I declared those dates,customs still won’t allow me to bring them into my country.,fruit/nuts/vegetables/ just to name a few are things people try to sneak in to NZ.But if caught there is a extensive fines imposed !.