ADV NEWS MAY 2024 | KTM 390 ENDURO & 1390 RALLY | CFMOTO 800MT-X | TRIUMPH SCRAMBLER 400X
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Welcome back to the May 2024 episode of ADV NEWS. As usual we have plenty of great adventure and dual sport stories to get through. Kove's CEO steps down & what does that mean for the company moving forward? KTM have been very busy with a whole pile of adventure bikes caught out testing. CFMoto are set to launch their 800MT-X and is Triumph building a more dirt capable Scrambler 400X?
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390 ADV and Enduro versions are the most exciting ones! Can't wait to see them on the market!
And then maybe a Norden 401 to top it off. ❤❤
I was randomly the 1st person in the western world to get the new CFmoto MT450 down here in New Zealand about 4 weeks ago and I've been absolutely blown away with how good it is.
8, yes 8 of my adventure friends have now put deposits down on getting one each after riding mine.
If that's anything to go by the CFmoto 890 will be an amazing bike
Keep me posted on your long term thoughts 👍
Picked mine up today in West Oz. Proper ride tomorrow now that I have adjusted the basic set up for me. Everything is very tight still as no kms on it!!
@@chroniclesofsolid definitely will do. I just clicked over 2000km and I'm still blown away with it every time I ride it.
Me, my mate (he has one too) and other real life owners here have found the suspension a bit firm despite what TH-cam launch videos said. May be the ones in the Philippines had different spring rates for lighter riders.
For context i'm 95kg, 6'1. My mate is 110kg and 6'7. We have come from modified ktm 690's and T7s
@@wowfish-ob3ew congrats man, you'll love it.
I thrashed mine straight from the dealership floor as I like to hard run in mine so wasn't tight for long 😂
Be interested to see if you also found the suspension a wee bit firm
@@willyd-adv Yes, especially on the back end. Haven't really had enough time to feel what the front was like as slow ride home in traffic and road works. But back did feel harder and didn't really move or bounce like I do on my enduro. Could be a use thing and time. I did notice that there didn't look like much thread on the rear spring preload either to back off or tighten.
But I didn't have enough light ito see so can't exactly confirm that without a good look with decent lighting. Just seemed a bit strange at the time.
The few aussie reviews I saw at the launch said the front was a bit soft so maybe they stiffened them up at the shop or still too new and need some wearing in.
Really really really really need a 1.3 litre dirt bike...
I did 140 km of dirt today and I don't think I cracked 60 km/h the whole time, so one of these gigantic KTM looks so useful.
It's not quite big enough for dirt , a 1500 might work and 30 grand base price should have them flying off the cliffs .
Horses for courses. A largely road biased bike that can manage easy trails whilst blasting 2 up over big distances ticks more boxes for more people than a highly strung, enduro based bike. I'm lucky enough to have a Tiger 900 Rally Pro and a gorgeous adventurised FE 501. Both bikes are compromises but acceptable. The 501 has surprisingly good road manners with balanced wheels and a rally raid type fairing but is fantastic off road. The Tiger on knobblies is surprisingly competent off road and a delight on road.
@@TheIdlesurfer I still don't get it.
When the Z1000 Kawasaki came out back in 77 "Two Wheels" had the headline on the cover "WHO'LL RIDE THE MEAN MOTHER?". It had a claimed 83hp, and actually made about 72 at the rear wheel. Yet today I see people on the V-Strom forum asking if the 650 has enough power to carry a pillion, a bike with the same horse power as the Z1000 and 40 kg lighter.
I've owned a CBR1000, and I reckon in the 5 years I had it I accumulated less than one minute of near redline, full throttle riding (excluding racetrack time). It's not like I hung at the back of the pack on it. I wore out a set of knee sliders on the road (not on the track, on the road), and a rear tyre sometimes only lasted the weekend. The thing would lay a fat black stripe out of turn 2 at eastern creek on half throttle and that's fast enough that you're looking at jail if you did it on the road.
I sound like a boring old fart, but seriously, why would you carry around all that extra weight for years that you might use for a few seconds every month?
@@gasdive funnily enough, I had the same thought. I had a 1290 SA. 165 bhp claimed. I never used about 70 of those ponies. My 900 Tiger is sub 100 ponies. It is as fast and as powerful as I'm ever going to need on the road. My talent and reaction time will never trouble the upper limits of my 888cc middle weight. I'm guessing we're similar age. We may be old farts but with grey hair comes the wisdom of not falling for the "you need more power" schtick. I bounced the big Katoom off the rev limiter in 3rd, maybe 4th and I needed more power like a fish needs a bicycle. Btw, how did bikes bigger than 750 become middleweights? When I started riding, 750s were big bikes, litre plus bikes were rare and I was happy tear arsing around on a 350 YPVS.
@@TheIdlesurfer haha! I got myself into plenty of trouble, had plenty of fun and went plenty fast enough on an RD350LC!
Here's hoping Triumph actually come through & we finally get a scrambler that can actually scramble. And with KTM making a 390 that might actually adventure it's starting to look promising for those of us who prefer the fun you can have on a smaller bike.
I listened the words of Mr. Xue about its exit from Kove and... I honestly understood nothing.
I'm still confused on the argument
Other than this, my enthusiasm about buying a Kove has cooled down a lot. Sad but true.
Can you share where you heard his words?
390 enduro looks interesting.
I hope it's not the same weight at the current 390 ... I fear it will just be a different body style, wheels, fenders ... blah, blah, blah ... I get that they need to not overlap the EXEC-F stuff, but maybe 310 lbs??? maybe ???
Chris Birch twin here:
still waiting for the Ktm 1890 Rally to explore the backyard.
😅
Jokes on you. I'll have my triumph 1/2 ton rocket rally to help me get back and forth in the kitchen before you get that Ktm.
BMW R 2800 GS RR Dakar coming soon.
still waiting for the 200hp middleweight daily commuter that can handle the trails too
still waiting for the 200hp middleweight daily commuter that can handle the trails too
Triumph needs to make a Tiger 400 - light, more off road oriented, large fuel tank.
Silly CF Moto. I'd pay *EXTRA* for the same KTM 790 Adventure if it's not that horrid orange. 😛
I'm definitely liking the look of the KTM 390 Enduro. It needs a 4 gallon fuel tank. BMW needs to counter with a G310GS Adventure with tubeless spoke wheels, a 4 gallon fuel tank, etc.
Well it's just a dressed up 390 Duke, including the top heavy 3.9 gal tank.
Hopefully Kove carry on the way they have been but it remains to be seen.
I love seeing how diverse adventure bikes are becoming. Seems to be a flavor for everyone. That being said, DR650 is still the bike for me. I've made the mistake of thinking I'll like other bikes more and have sold a couple nice DRs laboring under that delusion. This 3rd one is a permanent resident in my garage. Yes, you end up replacing every part inside and out with aftermarket parts. When you're done, it's like a fitted suit that's perfect for you and no one else.
Nothing like a modded dual sport that fits like a glove
I’ll take a new DR with fuel injection,ABS, and cruise control; and absolutely nothing else. Thats about the only thing I’d trade my current DR for. Won’t happen, but that’s what I want.
@Joe-fi4hv totally understand that. EFI would be nice. For cruise control, those old school throttle lock cruise devices actually work. They look sketchy, but if you set them up properly, they are nice to have.
No matter what new bikes I may purchase, my DR650 will never be sold.
@@Joe-fi4hv Why ABS? Just useless weight!
390 adventure for the wife and a 1390 rally for me. I’ll take them both yesterday. Finally the front end designs are tipping back towards the better ones of year.
Do you not mean the 390 for you and the 1390 for your wife?
@@thepub245 I mean a 390 for me and a 1390 for me since I’m paying for both.
I'm looking forward to the KTM 390 Enduro
Unless KTM addresses the CAMshaft failures on the 790 I would not consider either the 790 or CF's version.
My call is that 1490 Rally is actually a 990 rally......
My thoughts as well. It looks smaller, like the 890
It’s a V-twin though
I believe the Kove CEO was passionate about Dakar, but the rest of the management team realised that although 'racing improves the breed' producing Dakar replica bikes is a niche market & their business plan has small profit margins requiring high volume bike sales. I thought Kove was doing a great job with their Dakar aspirations & I hope that's it's not been derailled.
I think that’s a solid theory. But it also speaks to the common disconnect between business leaders and their actual customers. If Honda sold their team Dakar bikes for $10k only “adventure” riders would turn their nose up at it. The rest of us would be scrambling to grab one. What’s more ADV than Dakar???
@@Joe-fi4hv do you think Kove will be on the start line for the next Dakar? I hope so but I my gut feeling is they won't. They had such a good buzz around their rally bike but that seems to have evaporated now.
You would think with KTM being in bed with CFmoto they would bring out a more refined 450MT, Shed a heap of weight and lower the fuel like a 790/890 fuel tank, maybe improve the suspension travel. A premium ktm 450MT as it is its very heavy for a 450 as a budget cfmoto.
the 390 is definitely super intersting one can appeal many 300L users like me.... but for this year Summer adventure is definitely a 300L one! my second one ready to hit the trails after my first one with which i had 40k miles of lovely adventures! always the best Sulid love your videos! Silvio Uk
Oddly, I was just wrenching on my Husky 401 and looking at my dual sports and dirt bikes, reminded myself how good the 390 engine would do in a dual sport setup. Heck, I was even daydreaming about getting my brand new CRF250F to the 380cc range with a Brazilian kit. Perhaps I'll just wait a bit. Hope the 390 Enduro isn't getting to fat and somebody figures out an airbox mod that would allow the old in-frame high path exhaust mod. Yeah, not in love with the down facing piping.
In hope the MTX has better cam shaft, the 790 KTM has huge problems with premeture Cam lobe wareand cylinder fail issues at very early klms..... not a very good picture for KTM.
The black cowl is actually a snap off shovel for when you're up to the axels in sand.
If the curb weight is significantly lower than the 690 enduro.. otherwise 390 enduro is irrelevant
It won't be lighter, there is no way. It's selling points will be price and A2 license compatibility in EU, where you can't legally ride anything over 35 kW / 47 HP before 24 yo.
@@patrik9666 how do you think ktm husky design its selling low-key fe450exc 35 kW 47 bhp that have significantly more grunt ´n´ less weight for a2 riders that transform these into hooligans supermotos
I think you are posting the image of the expected KTM 390 rally when talking about the 1390. LoL there is 1000 cc difference.
Anyway thanks for your great content
I have the 2023 cfmoto 800 mt I would definitely go for it I like the fuel tanks down low!! Game changer for me as mine is very top heavy
used to have a 1290 adv r for Kentucky Adventure Tour but switched to 890adv r. Best decision ever.
I remember when Victory brought out the largest production twin at 1.7l. Quickly outclassed by a metric cruiser I think.
Yamaha and kawasaki both released bigger responses. That Yamaha 1900 stratoliner was a glorious bike. Plan on getting one one day. I had the roadstar XV1600 for about a decade. Loved it even more than my goldwing. Comfortable, smooth, reliable, and all-around magnificent.
Did KTM/CFMoto revised the engine to fix the cam issues yet?
I'm keen on the MTX but I definitely don't want any of the cam aids.
I see this in every comment section.
From what is known cam issues no longer exist. I am still to see any engine failures on the 800mt.
@@unclejohn5012 It may be that the newer bikes haven't reached the 16K mile point where they tend to fail. If KTM was an upstanding company, they would do a recall on every 790/890 to fix them. Yes, it would be expensive but so it is the tarnish to their brand that will last indefinitely unless they address it fairly. Even if they lose money, it will be better than their brand suffering forever. Ask Bud Light about what happens to profits when a brand screws up badly.
@@underthedrone2735 Majority of 800MTs in the groups I'm in are well past the 16,000mile mark. There a few past the 40,000mile mark that I have seen as well.
It would make no sense for CFMoto or KTM to not fix this issue, however it's not as wide spread as some people make it out to be.
@@unclejohn5012 Good to know! Thanks!
I want it today! They are assembling KTM so quality should be the same.
I applaud KTM for making an ACTUAL adventure 390, but I see now their cheaping out on components. Instead of a cheap dirt bike style headlight, why not keep the cool 390 adv headlight ?? They don’t need to make another “enduro” bike, just a small version of the 890 is what I believe fans are asking of the 390.
In my opinion, the CFMoto 450MT is gonna be the new standard for light ADV’s, and I hope other companies (looking at you, Japan!) will jump on this trend. Exciting times for us riders
This leads one to ask; will the CFMoto 800 have the same camshaft problems as the KTM 790/890 or has that issue been resolved and what was the underlying problem. I'd love to get a KTM 790 but that camshaft issue makes it a no-go.
Regarding the CFMOTO 800 using KYB suspension as if it is a down grade compared to WP. Most WP owners ugrade as they are to harsh and with most reports the KYB are great out of the crate. That's my observation. Any KYB owners out there with there thoughts
High end WP stuff is good, but that's not what you you'll find on stock KTM bikes. OEM WP shocks are harsh, divey garbage, because KTM would rather save $50 on a $15 000 bike, and then charge you additional few grand to fix it by installing WP "PRO" components. OEM KYBs are usually pretty decent.
@@patrik9666 Agree 100%
Kove CEO stepdown was in march so kinda not news already
What matters is 800x is slowly getting delivered and people are very happy with them so far
Ya. He went over his reasoning for holding off on presenting the info in the video.
A 390 enduro?! I’d be interested!
Thanks!
Thanks, I'll wait for the 2029 KTM Super Adventure 1930 R. And yes, I'd love to have a spiritual successor to the 990 but, after all, it's still a KTM. Good bikes but horrible service.
I’m waiting for the 2000R 😎
@@chroniclesofsolid😂
@@chroniclesofsolid I dont care, I love my KTM 6980RxRZZ V12 turbocharged. It is only 2950 kg and handling like a dream
Ktm 390 Enduro is = to click bait since the beginning 😂 is it ever coming out?
Yes it's a drag isn't it lots of fanfare and bs last year on the interwebs and they just fitted spoked wheels with inner tubes and put the price up
Chinese companies are more responsive to customer complaints and to fixing problems I would trust a CFMoto version of a bike before a KTM or Husky.
The real problem is the wanky dealer mechanics
Since it comes off the same production line as the KTM 790 I would have no problems buying the 800MTX. In fact I could never warm to that insect looking front all KTM have so this skin is much better looking to my eyes and presumably you also save some coin....so overall I think I like it, BUT as with all bikes for me it comes down to a test ride on how it feels.
Depends how competitive the price will be but I think it will get some attention for sure. Agreed on the test ride front. So many bikes on paper I thought I would love but when I got a leg over disappointed or the opposite where I loved it and was prejudice before I rode it.
Crazy KTM 1390 why ? Where they will go 🤣🤣🤣
Park next to the BMW R1300GS at Starbucks to flex on the Beemer Boyz.
@@Liberty4Ever 🤣🤣🤣👌
Solid, one of the Triumph enduros turned up a my local dealership in the U.S.
Thoughts Bill?
@@chroniclesofsolid It was a display model, no lights or turn signals. Looked like good build quality.
My hope with the big rally is that it has enough fuel. My 1190 can realistically only go about 220 miles on a tank. That is pretty weaksauce in the desert. Hopefully they can push this thing up toward 8 gallons of fuel and keep this bike in the 500ish lb range. There is just too much crap on these bikes now. Kove proves it can be done with their 800x as it is sub 400lbs and 100HP.
1390/1490???? I thought the 1190 was way too big... Need to focus on 600-900cc range, at least for real off-road adventures
Whats the status of the KOVE 800X?
An 800x arrived here in Oz three weeks ago for testing/adr. The 450 is almost adr compliant and was having further testing at finke. There is conflicting information about confirmation for a local distributor.
19/17 with 50/50 tires would be my sweetish spot . Does the 800mt/x have soft cams too ? . Pierer mobility is the Titanic of the motorcycle world.
Yes, 19/17 with 50/50 tires would be my sweetish spot if Jap.
You should be putting time stamps in the video for convenience.
hope CF Moto takes not of the issues with the 790 engines being crap>>>.. Maybe im misled but most my friends with 790/890's bikes are in the shop all the time..
Have had the 2020 KTM Adventure R for the past 4 years. Trouble free, goes where I point it BUT with all the new 790 and 890 and now 800 iterations ( even 901 with the Huskys) the bike lacks originality. It is becoming a high performance sedan that is difficult to recognize apart from the others without looking at a badge.
May be time for a Guzzi.
The creative differences probably stem from the fact that Kove is an offshoot from a much larger manufacturer who primarily sold in the domestic market (and world wide under Colove and other brand names) and a couple of years ago restructured making Kove the primary export brand name and with the best will in the world making a "cheapo" rally bike isn't goiing to be a sales killer in the size of market they operate in, their capacity is 1m + units per year.
Rally might have been the ex-CEO's pet project but his overlords had obviously other ideas, that for this season they have hired an ex-world champion to race their bike (the NKT 321RR-S) in the Supersport World Championships and the effort to develop the 450RR tells us where the wind is blowing.
I have a 1290 R, the rally is just way too extreme. Even the R doesn't sell well anywhere I've heard of.
I wonder what they'll call the 990 adventure bike. They already had a 990 adventure. Just now it's a "middle weight" though more powerful than the original.
The thing that people calling the 1490 rally is just a 990 the width alone should tell you
That would be a nice surprise😎
Not "standoffish" of chinese companies, but much more deeply concerned over financial and moral implications of dealing with them.. but would STILL possibly consider because of the bike offering, and I have experience selling chinese bikes 20 years ago in the US.
New products will have 20 years development with MSS (China Cia).
I own a KTM and won't be buying the new generation due to how fugly the headlights are. Even Yamaha knew they stuffed up with the headlight on their bikes which is why they changed it for their new MT range yet KTM decided to copy previous generation lights.
Hope that adv 390 weight less then 160kg
Kove ceo tesigning seems like Steve Jobs beinf fired from Apple. I dont buy simeone as oassionate as him stepping down due to "creative" eifferences
No china bike for me. Their ATV's have issues as soon as they come off the showroom. Expect the same for the bikes. Corners are cut and rounded a little to far. Triumph is most likely a one off built to race. New KTM's look better, about time. 1490 monster? Big news is R20 from BMW, I want one. Good vid next time Mate
Hmm I want the KTM 790 Adventure, I doubt CFmoto can dissuade me and I've put almost 15k miles on my 18 mo old CFmoto CLX 700 sport.
The Kove bikes seems to be vapour ware, as no one seems to be able to buy one.
For a light middleweight just get a KTM 500. Done 👍🏻
Unless I'm being tricked by the low resolution, the image of the Triumph scrambler is almost certainly AI generated and so i wouldn't put much stock in it.
The bars and cables morph together into one structure, the house/ background is weird as hell, and the headlight housing just does not look right.
Hey Solid, do you think the weight of the 390 enduro will land right around the weight of the 690 enduro r?
It is hard to know without having the weight of the new 390 Adventure it is based off of. However, given the engine is essentially a known quantity weight wise. Lets just say i would be very surprised if this bike is sub 170kg. I would love to see it but I think its going to be heavier than the 690 Enduro.
I don't get the point of calling a bike 'Rally' when it has an engine bigger than 450cc......Unless there is a Rally series out there for big adventure bikes.....and I don't think there is.
The new Yamaha MT09 engine Tenere’ is going to be a game changer in 2025
MTX? Sign me up coach!!
A smaller version of the 690 Enduro? That bike is a dressed up Duke.
Title mispelled Enduro
Coming out of the same production line as a ktm 790 is a bad thing, with all the problems they have! Lol
I'm not in the market for the CFMoto bikes...or even KTMs now made in China. Looking to switch to a new brand...just don't know what yet.
Ural is an option 🤷♂️
Suzuki 800DE is a fabulous ADV option.
KTM 790 weighs more than the 1290 SAS ( dry).
End of kove. He was sidelined by chinese government due to not falling in line.
Winnie the pooh strikes again
Not surprised
SHA BI
I’m not sure it’s the end. It’s the third biggest selling company in China supposedly so I guess we’ll see.
Kove, nice bikes - and its not a quality perspective that makes me not consider them, but a political one.
Coitus interruptus.
Why would anybody be afraid of a CFM being Chinese when KTMs are all made in China now?
KTM bikes that are over 890cc are still made in Austria. This is why no one's buying the Chinese KTM's or CFMotos.
Kove will disappear.
evrything but ktm junk
I hate adv bikes
That's mean u don't know nothing about adventure 😅
I would love to see a Tiger 400 from Triumph, which will surely beat all the competition, especially in India
The agent in UK told me a adv bike will come from the motocross bike in 2025
I think it can only be a big loss for Kove…this guy was really the driving force in getting this Chinese build bike trusted by a lot of buyers…now it looks like China does not like really ,,free,,enterprise.
still waiting for a 390 SMT with 17 inch wheels, I have no intention to go off road, but would like a more upright 390 with a full windscreen and panniers
This is what I enjoy about your channel, you ask the questions, you come up with some answers and potentials. Thank you David....Adelaide/Kilburn Triumph Scrambler 1200X....
Thanks David. I try to not just regurgitate the news but think through what the potential effects could be for each bike. Not everyone appreciates it but good to know some do👍