I’m so glad you have reviewed this bike I got mine beginning of December last year and just turned 12,000 miles I’ve been down to Spain, Portugal and Morocco twice now with no issues!! It’s comes with everything that I need. And comfortable.
I've had mine nearly a year now. It was bought as a lighter alternative to my RT1200. It's now my go-to bike, it's done 5k miles, summer and winter, still immaculate. The TFT menu takes a bit of getting used to, but once you do, it's easy without looking. The in built tracker and vibration sensor are great and reliable, and it comes with 4 years of recovery free. I love just riding it for no reason, just for the fun. I've never had the neutral gear issue. It's heading to Portugal in a months time, and I know it will deliver having toured around the Lake District and Scotland on it already. Residuals aren't great, but no intentions of selling so irrelevant. Great review !
That’s a silly comment. Market leaders, especially with adventure bikes. I know the latest 1300s are a bit controversial, but I suspect that they will still maintain their market share and people will grow to like their styling again…….
@FelixtheHuman-zp8dw absolutely agree, its so ugly it will never see the inside of my garage, i see a spike in sales of the 1250 gsa while you can still get them
I own the 800 MT….excellent bike, no issues, fit and finish holding up, reliability faultless so far (1200 miles) most crucially it brings bikes of this spec and calibre within the reach of many people who would otherwise never be able to afford such a thing….this is their strongest point to my mind
I'm just back from holiday in greece, where all the scooters and quads seemed to be cfmoto. The hire guys really rated them for reliability, easy to work on and robust, and they can't get enough of them. I had a little 200cc scooter, my wife and i have a combined weight of 26 stone, and that little thing took us all over the island, up twisty 1 in 3 gradients, mountain dirt tracks, in town, zipping along tarmac roads, and never missed a beat. Started in less than a second on the button hot or cold, didn't smoke, wasn't overly noisy or clattery, and had spent 2 seasons getting beaten up by tourists. I would call that a true reliability test, and in my opinion it passed no problem. If the bikes are anything like the scooters in that respect i think reliability won't be an issue. Just have to park it where my mates won't see it because they'd take the piss and I'm shallow like that.
Glad you have tested this bike. I have owned mine for 2 years and 10000kms in Australia. I still love it. It does everything well. Great value. The gearbox neutral issue may be fixed with a software upgrade. Cfmoto have over the air updates from the rider app, no need to go to the dealership. I did mine just after taking delivery and noticed better fuelling, gear shifts, neutral, and cruise control. Very excited about CF moto's upcoming models. Great addition to my garage and has proven to be a reliable tourer. No issues in our extreme summers and (yes we do get them) cold and very wet winters. Stoked you liked it. Regards Adelino
Some great comments in the video and in the chat where they are all pretty much advocates of the bike. One thing to consider is that not everyone has GS/KTM/Ducati/Triumph money to spend and yet we still need new riders to keep our industry alive. This bike hits a great price/feature point and should be highly recommended for new (and old), adventure bike riders. All riders should remember that not everyone has £20k to spend on a second form of transport (for most), so should back off on derisory comments in group rides. As you say in the vid, "dont comment until you have ridden one". Personally, very impressed.
This exactly what what we did with Japanese bikes in the 70s called them rotten and most wouldn't buy them A decade later and it was a different story. I have had my Benelli 502c now for three years and its still rides and looks like new.
This looks as though the Chinese are doing what the Japanese did with car manufacturing back in 70’s copying popular cars and their styling but making them reliable and cheap. Gaining a good market share and with time developing their own very good cars. My only concern is over reliance on one country for our products, if China decided to switch of the supply tap rest of the world would be stuffed
Spot on Dave. The motorcycle press and all the miserable old geezers setting their points and tappets every weekend called them rubbish. The rest of us bought them in droves and spent more time riding round having fun than mending them. Motor Cycle News voted the Norton Commando ‘Bike of the Year’ for 5 years running. Biggest laugh ever.
@@steveinskip4897 O god yeh i started off on a Honda CD200 benley i was a kid really just passed me test. i abused it rotten but you know it never ever didn't start took me to work in all weathers but my mate at same time had a BSA bantam and it was a pig broke down at least once a week he spent every Saturday fixing his for our Sunday ride outs me i just popped me lid on kicked her over and off i went.
@@DynamiteDaveLlewellyn I had a Bantam D7. Absolute mess it was, but the best i deal ever did. Bought it for £7 and sold it for £15. Over 100% profit. Try doing that on a GS1300. 🤣🤣£££
Iv had my CF Moto 800MT for 4 months and put just over 3k miles in it so far , it’s been faultless, never missed a beat, the engine does need a bit of time to break in , about 1K miles , also true of gearbox, love the gold wheels except they are a bit of a nightmare to keep clean, only thing Iv changed is I got a taller screen . Its keep in a garage, no issues with corrosion and Iv yet to hook it up to a battery maintaner and battery has been perfect, it’s stood out side overnight in rain and cold on a few weekends away and started first time no problems. So far absolutely loving it .
Great honest review. We need to stop referencing china and just review bikes against manufacturers. £9k for all that bike and it looks great and by the sounds of it rides great and sounds good too. We need more bikes that are affordable and this one is incredible value compared to other manufacturers so at the very least it may make the opposition think twice about their prices. I’m an older fella and love riding my bike but it saddens me that every bike cafe is dominated by old bald men. Appreciate that its insurers too that are pricing younger riders out of the market but hopefully these much cheaper imports will eventually bring the price of the whole bike market down to a sensible level. I ride a 1st gen XR and could upgrade to the latest gen but it kills me to feed the ridiculous market that manufacturers have created. My son wanted to get into bikes as he thought it would be more fun and much cheaper than owning a car but had a baby when he saw the cost of bikes and checked out a couple of insurance quotes. Very sad…. Ramble over
has to be treated like an expensive hobby for the first few years. 1 years no claims dropped my insurance from 900 for 1 bike to 600 for 2 bikes. Hoping the license changes will help too.
I’ve had a quick go on the 450MT at the ABR festival, seems a good bike, engine was strong upto 60mph. I went to buy one when I got home but there sold out until next March! I think that tells you all you need to know.
Hi Andy. I have a two year old CF Moto 800MT, an ex demo bike I bought in December with 1,800 miles and 18mth old. Have put another 3000 miles on it since then and absolutely love it. I’ve had Triumphs and a Suzuki before buying Chinese made bikes and haven’t noticed any dip in reliability or standard of finish. I haven’t experienced any issues finding neutral. Love your channel content and hope to see you and Carole again at next year’s ABR. 👍
I have the MT800 Explore in NZ. Compared to my 650XT Vstrom the MT makes it look like and feel like a dinosaur. No issues so far goes great, handles fine and the best thing you get free software updates via the net, no need to go to the dealer and the bike app is pretty neat, you can even geofence it. I purchased mine for touring and the odd gravel road, and it does this well and bloody comfy, i'm 6'2. Waiting on the taller seat to see how fit is on that. If you see them around, take a second look. They are only going to get better.
Great review as always and I think I can allay any concerns to quality and reliability. A friend and I bought 2 of these and prepared them with an ABS switch and Bark Busters for an Australian outback tour through Flinders Ranges and outback central Australia. Both bikes covered more than 5,000 kms off road and were not treated kindly. Both CFMoto 800MT’s were bullet proof, neither suffered any issues but for fuel surging when the tank is brimmed (outback fuel considerations) Both riders have had many GS’s and I currently have a Ducati Multistrada V4S and an Aprilia Tuono V4 Factory. Admittedly I did cop flak from mates when I bought it but it is a game changer to anyone that rides one. Incredible value and just a great bike to ride for many hours non stop, very comfortable.
I have one and i love it , i can change the settings while riding heated grips and seat. The Explorer has more extra then this one , but that one wasent out when i bought mine. They do stop making these and go fot the 700 MT instead. The 650 MT fabrication has stopped to. I had to buy my panniers for 1500 Euro's . I also buyed a protection guard for my cooling fans ans a battery tender. In total i costed my 14 000 Euro's. I have it for a year now and i havent got any problems yet . I ride all seasons and i keep it in my garage. As for finding neutral , no problems there , i can find it easly.
Nice looking bike with a very attractive price tag. Especially when often your looking at bikes twice the price. Very informative and gives people an insight into another make/model.
I wouldn’t worry about px values, when the purchase price is low to start with. What matters is the cost of ownership. BMWs depreciate a lot from a higher starting point. Spend £23k on a GS and expect to get 65% back after 3 years for a trade in. That’s £8050 spent over 3 years, almost the entire cost of a new 800MT.
The latest adventure bikes from CFMOTO and Benelli are looking and performing fantastic right now, and being a grand or two below their European and Japanese counterparts just adds to their appeal. Reliability and weathering/rusting is getting better with each release, just the dealer and parts network need a bit more attention, but what an adventure market we now have!!! Great review and insight TMF!!
Checked out one today, at my local dealer. While i didn't take it for a test ride, i was impressed with it's build quality. And YES, it's in the Goldilocks zone, in my opinion, for being a practical, budget friendly machine, for everyday riding. Other competitors, be warned😎
I hear the same comments about Chinese made bikes as we're made about Japanese ones when I was a kid - and look what happened there.... I'd be very interested if you could get hold of the new 450 MT, that's had some very positive early reviews.
I was very interested in the CFMoto 800T and test rode it on a demo day at a local dealership. The bike itself was great; the dealer added fees were not. I ended up buying a 2024 KTM 790 Adventure (also built by CFMoto). The KTM was $2000 USD less expensive out the door even though it had a higher manufacturer’s suggested retail price.
Is the car park at Great Missenden station ever full?? It must be the only railway station car park with spaces always available for motorcycling TH-camrs! 😂
I just paid a deposit on a new 800 MT Sport today ! Trading up from my (brilliant ) 2019 CB500X ! Couldn’t get a Touring model here in Ireland ,sold out but I’ve added what i need to the sport , 42l top box, handguards , heated grips and bash plate. I’m not a fan of QS unless it’s a sports bike so wont miss that !! Have had 2 test rides and absolutely loved it !! Keep up the great work!
This is a great looking machine, and is exactly what i want. I had a chinese 125 and i did 2 tours of around 400 miles around Scotland and it did not miss a beat. Had a couple of issues, however it never let me down actually on the road. Maybe i had a good one, however i would be really happy to have another one.
I bought one 4 weeks ago and im well impressed,, iv owned 28 bikes over the yrs and this is as good if not better than some of em (early gs 1200 springs to mind ) ,, iv got 1800kms on it, brilliant bike to ride .
Great review that should help sell more. I'm an owner since November 2023. 8000 miles done. Winter riding included. Garage stored. No issues or rusty bits Inc chain. Screen is good and easy to use on the go. The jerky refresh you mention might be the display on the tacho as the numerals enlarge as the virtual needle moves past them giving that inoression. I've done a European tour as well as lots of UK bike meets. Not had one negative comment. My dealer is one of the new batch and has been great too.
Ive got a Benelli TRK 702X and its epic. Ive owned 60 bikes over the past 30 years. And ive watched chinese bikes go from shockingly bad 15 years ago to a force to be reckoned with these days. Very impressive
@@DynamiteDaveLlewellyn i love mine.. Im surprised how close it is in quality and ride to the " big boys" id say 95% there.. Watch out honda, yamaha, suzuki, and triumph
@@michaelcase8574 Doest’t have to be like that. I’ve seen Chinese brands offering 6 years and then the brand left the country or even the whole EU in 2 or 3 years, because they didn’t reach the sales they expected. With CFMoto that’s hard to happen, as they’re a bigger brand and they are trying to destroy western and Japanese bikes with the help of the CCP
@ALIENdrifter66 I guess it's always a gamble for companies. I do agree. They would love to put the other brands out of business. The fact that some of the parts are knock offs prove they have no respect for pattens. I can never take the CCP at face value. I don't trust their motives.
Interesting review & bike. CF Moto are seemingly the best Chinese manufacturer to date & as you say are making some decent products these days. Also, ironically KTM's bad reliability rep is historically & largely based on bike's they made in Austria, not the CF Moto versions. I wouldn't rush off to buy one but I also wouldn't categorically rule them out anymore either.
Came to say the same thing. I believe it is an official offer by the importer. I don't know when this was filmed but was surprised the lower spec wasn't mentioned as it does seem like a lot of bike for three year old KTM money
I’ve ridden with a chap with an 800 MT a few times and it’s a good looking bike and very well equipped for the money. He’s had it since last November and as far as I know not had any problems with it. He did mention the gearbox being a bit tight/clunky at the start but it loosened up after 1000 or so miles. I think some of the bigger manufacturers could learn a thing or two when it comes to extras, warranty and overall price. Specing up something similar with a similar equipment level could add £5k to an already costly purchase.
CF Moto are definitely a force to reckon with. They've done their due diligence before coming to market and the dealer partnership with KTM will give confidence to potential buyers, especially with a four year warranty. You see their name appearing in Moto gp sponsorship. Would be good to see a long term review.
Thanks for a thorough and thoughtful review. You bring up a lot of good points and issues. I’m embarrassed to admit I really don’t understand what a quick shifter is. I’ll have to see what I can learn about it.
Hi all, i bought my 800MT Explore in February. Ive done 10000km. I love it. No issues so far. I was going to get a KTM890 adventure, the morning i was going to purchase the 890 a freind suggested i look at the CF Moto. I had priced the 890 with the electronics turned on and added the heated seat and grips, and tire monitors. All that and more is factory on the CF Moto. The CF Moto was nearly 50% cheaper. It is working out well. The CF Moto also has blind spot radar. On the down side the KTM has about 30mm more suspension travel. For me, bang for buck, CF Moto is a winner
@@AsmodeusT , I don't disagree with the view regarding resale value however my mate has just swapped his 1200 gsa for a 1250 gsa, the 65 plate he sold has halved in the 5 years he's had it and the 1250 he's replaced it with he paid 13k for a bike that was probably pushing 19k or so when new so all of a sudden depreciation on a cf moto doesn't matter.
@fredricgreene9857 You are right that it's not just less expensive brands that have that problem. I personally wouldn't buy a bike or car brand new that would lose lots of money like the example you gave. I made that mistake only once and now am very careful. For instance, a Triumph T120 looses far less in depreciation. It will be interesting to see if the 800MT holds its value.
Interesting to see you reviewing a CF Moto 800, I've not seen a Chinese manufactured bike on your channel before, while I haven't ridden a CF Moto 800 MT I have had a good look at one in my local CF Moto dealer and was impressed with the build quality and equipment levels, it's also a good looking bike that wouldn't embarrass you at the local bikers cafe however the most impressive thing is the price which makes the equivalent KTM and BMW look very over priced indeed and on that point alone it's difficult not to take it seriously.
It is true that most consumer electronics are made in China, and that you can't get away from buying good with some parts made in China, but that's not a reason to buy an entire motorcycle manufactured in China. I'm not saying don't buy it, I just had to address that logic. I do wonder what dealer support and resale value would look like.
Resale won't be great. But if you own it for 5+ years it becomes less of an issue, the money you lose on resale is compensated by the money you didn't have to spend buying add ons and the lower purchase price.
I'm not sure what your cut off point would be though, is it 50 60 90% parts made in China but no more ok? No if it is 100%. What if they put the wheels on in Austria? That would probably at 2 grand on it's own though so... I really think as Motorcyclists we are going to make our decisions on good rider feed back and reviews such as Andy's not where they are built. The real impact from China will be in Global E Cars purchases. They are waiting for the likes of Tesla to do the Full R&D on the likes of self drive etc, then copy the results and make them half price ,after all they have the infrastructure to make the batteries now.
Dealer support and spare parts can't be any worse than "prestige" Italian brands like Benelli, Aprillia and MV. As far as Chinese quality goes, they can and do make whatever you want, Apple and Tesla are made in China along with the majority of branded goods in the world. The only issue is that unless you have your own quality control staff in China the minute your back is turned they can substitute components for cheaper alternatives given half a chance. As CF Moto actually make the engines (and possibly the entire 790 bikes, and 125cc for KTM) plus using Bosch components, the overall quality is probably similar to other brands. I've had BMWs since the mid-1970s and the quality fell off a cliff after the 1100/1150 models and the 1200s were introduced. My current LC R1200R Sport, bought new in 2015 was a replacement for one which caught fire due to a wiring fault after 59 miles!! The days of Chinese is cheap and poor quality are long gone. I remember they used to say Japanese bikes were cheap and poorly made, not like those "solid dependable" British bikes. Makes me laugh.
I had a Yamaha YBR 125 a few Years Back Didn't even Know it Was Built in China till I Looked At the Frame Plate ..Some Other Japanese Branded Bikes are Made in China
Another great review Mr Flyer, this bike is now top of my test ride list.I have test ridden the new Tiger 900 GT pro and that is a great bike to ride but not as good looking as this and is almost 50% dearer with the extras. Shame the nearest agent is 300 miles away from me but what's not to like at this price?
Thanks for posting this. i was impressed with whole CF Moto range at the shows this year, build quality seems to be right up there. Wish them luck, UK market is a tough nut to crack, we're all a bit too brand conscious.
I have a 2020 CF Moto 650GT for 2 years now and did the NC500 on it in April this year, no issues with it at all and rides really nice... Only thing I'd say is with pillion and luggage it could do with another 10 bhp
I own a CLX 700 Heritage, and I think it's a fantastic bike. I've had it for nearly a year now and put about 6500 km on it, no real issues to talk about at all. Considering what I paid for it, it was an easy decision. It seems CFMOTO is about to make a splash, as we see more positive reviews pop up, and prices for these bikes remain incredibly competitive. Thanks for the honest review mate, cheers!
Benelli trk702 next please. Local dealer here is still giving the luggage with the 800mt. It all looks good stuff. I don't have a problem with copying. Let's face it if more manufacturing would take good points from other bikes and use them it would be better . When you look at the price of the bmw gs 900 and triumph 900 this bike is definitely a bargain but only if you hold onto it as the second hand values are much lower. The only grip I have is after market parts and upgrades available compared to mainstream brands. I know from a couple of guys who like to do self maintenance that parts can take a long time.
I had the opportunity to see these bikes at the NEC and they felt really well put together glad to see a review from a Brit and how they fair on our roads thanks TMF might have to get myself a chinese😂
Not long bought my 800MT. Wanted something to tour on with a pillion and my fireblade isn’t that bike (still kept it though). Tried the Africa Twin (nice bike, too expensive) and the transalp (not bad, bit boring, no kit at all!) and then went and gave the 800MT a go after a chat with Michael Mann when I saw him at super bike factory. Test rode the 800MT touring and instantly wanted it. Put my deposit down and collected it a week later. Brilliant bike, well put together, fun engine and so much kit. Fog lamps, up and down quick shifter, heated grips, heated seat, hand guards, crash bars, fog lights, Nav, Bluetooth etc etc list goes on! Really happy with my purchase and at £110 a month on PCP, how can you not?
I don’t have a problem buying a Chinese manufactured bike. I don’t have a problem with build quality or warranty… BUT, I would challenge the assumption that more tech is always better… for me I would prefer this bike with NO quick shifter, NO TFT (a dial will do), NO connectivity and NO modes. The less tech there is the more pure and engaging the riding experience. More tech does not equal more enjoyment.. I can’t help thinking that without all that nonesense fitted this bike could a grand cheaper and all the better for it. This is true of ALL manufacturers, not just CF Moto. Good test though Andy.. enjoyed watching.
@@duncancleverley6366 the only thing in your list you can’t change is the dash. You just leave it in one mode and use the clutch for gear shifts. I assure you, this is a bike you just jump on and go. You pick your settings and then leave it. I’ve got an 07 fireblade with no electronics but I still really enjoy my 800MT. The heated grips and seat are really good though!
I rode a CF Moto 700 CLX Adventure for a few months a year and half ago but it was never a problem, the dealer have move now with KTM (same shop) so big positive. The sport bikes 450 SR and SRS I rode surprised me a lot. The 450 MT still waiting on that, they sold out and stock are like gone to pre orders. To be honest if I could have a 450 sports bike Heritage and adventure I would be happy. Like the 80s all over again. I had a Suzuki RGV 250, XR400 & CB250RS
They're an excellent motorcycle. I recently bought a transalp and decided against the Suzuki DE800 and Cfmoto, after riding them, because I didn't want a bike that "big". The kit on that bike is fantastic when compared to the others, adjustable suspension, tubeless tyres, handguards, bash plate, quick shifter and more. The mt450 is gaining some popularity as well.
They need to get over the fact about being Chinese made. The basic fact is they are good bikes and great value. People need to look at their own history before pointing fingers at others. I have usually bought Ducati Multi Stradas in the past and they come at a premium however I would have that bike and the cash difference in my back pocket instead of buying any of the premium brands.
Hi Andy, I went to look at one 3 months ago, I found it a bit top heavy, but it did have all the luggage on. I went on a FB forum to get some feedback from owners, I don’t think it had traction control on the first batch this year, the throttle needs a re map because it’s jerky. The weirdest thing was that the bikes are old/new stock. I asked at the dealership if they are new bikes, apparently the UK bikes were made in 2022. The other con was TFT problems, I’m not sure if it was the odd one. Lovely looking bike…. But KTM , reports of engine problems at 20,000 miles. Really enjoyed the video, I was really close to buying one of these, perhaps I’ll regret it later, then perhaps not.
Saw this at Motorcycle Live last year and it looked impressive for the price. Maybe it’s a wake up call for one or two “mainstream” manufacturers and their “squeeze every last penny from the customer “ Strategies. You know who you are if you’re reading this 😂 Great review as usual 👍
Yes. love the latest Con the manufacturers use. Here is your new very pricey bike with all the gizmos . You have have them for 500klm but after that we turn them off till you pay. Note They will take a leaf out of apple / microsoft those great commuinity minded leaders, wherer you no longer can buy the software and update only if you want, NO this will transform into we give you the software but you now pay a monthly/ annual fee for its use. perpetual $$
Thanks for the review. And yes when you were talking about the gear box, I was telling myself wait and see, I have the exact bike, and I had the issue, but it is nothing serious, and it can be worked out using two hands, adjusting the wires, I did that just two days back, I read the fine print v6 and I accept and approve lool. I alsay watch your videos and am cool with you talking fast, you may wanna add to the print, there is speed options on YT app so people can use that. I love the bike too, and bought it to set a trend and also test how well it will go, nothing against the GS, but want to give others a chance to prove or improve themselves
Hopefully you soon get their Explore model. More refined engine with Apple Carplay with a different dash and music controls on the left handlebar, 6 riding modes adjustable on the move and blind spot monitor. Had mine here in Australia since August 23 and enjoying it every ride.
TMF, I think you're entirely right to be open-minded about Chinese-made bikes, or indeed, those made in India, because if these machines have sufficient quality and affordability they will act as a moderator on the pricing by other manufacturers. You only have to think back to the days of "grey imports", which had exactly this effect. To illustrate, I had a new R12 NineT as a courtesy bike while mine was being serviced recently and I was truly shocked that the MRRP is over £16K before options, for a bike which is, when all said and done, fairly basic and limited in its useability.
I have a little cf Moto 300 SR that I learned in. It was almost impossible to find neutral with the engine on. But I mentioned it at the first service and they fixed it somehow. No problems since.
I just purchased the 2024 KTM 790 Adventure. Made by CFMoto, What a great bike and engine. Some of the best riding Ive had. I'm just praying it will hold togeather. Lol. 17 BMW RT 23 Kawasaki KLR650 24 KTM 790 Adv 19 RE Interceptor 650
Thanks for that Honest review I have Just booked a test ride on one as a result of it and the fact The Bingley Wheeler has just purchased one. He hasn't mentioned the finding Neutral problem, It will be the first thing I'll be looking out for later. I love everything about them from what I a have heard and seen so far. I'm wondering if waiting a year or so though might make best sense and value as the price would be even lower, problems if any would become apparent and you'd still have 2 years warranty left.
Heavy industry in China has really progressed. Quality parts, machining, manufacturing, and materials are always possible to me made. IMO if I was an upstart brand entering a new market, the last thing I would want to do is send over a piece of garbage knowing full well the motorcycle media would absolutely eviscerate it. The biggest question is the supply chain- knowing you won’t be marooned somewhere on a bike that can’t be commonly repaired. The KTM partnership is solid. I for one welcome more competition in the motorcycle world. It forces our overlords (especially in the world of ADV) to innovate and makes our lives as consumers generally better.
Can’t argue with the CF Moto value and spec. You had difficulty selecting neutral but I have the same problem with my 2020 BMW 900 XR and regularly leave it parked in gear - 1 or 2. Must test ride one.
What a handsome looking bike. Equipment levels and value for money are great. This bike ticks all the boxes for me and l wouldn't worry about the opinions of the, all the gear no idea brigade down at the local Starbucks.
Great review as always. We are lucky with bikes there is a great variety of choice. I think CF moto will continue to do well. Interesting to see how the Benelli trk 702x does the 502 was a big seller in Italy its priced well and older 502s seem to be holding up well to UK weather
Whole CF Moto range is great value for money for riders of all experiences. Good that they actually have small capacity models on sale often neglected by many existing Brands.
it looks way better than the new BMW GS. My issue with any chinese brand has nothing to do with the quality, it's about the world wide issues they are involved in.
4000 miles on my ibex 800 t and it's been fine. Good motor, little top heavy, looks good, comfortable, not super refined, but still good. Cfmoto is a reputable company and making serious strives to be legit. They are good.
This is a very constructive, sensible, and honest review. Cudos to you! It was good to see you include the gear issue in real time but also include some constructive criticism on the TFT interface, whilst highlighting the good ascepts which work well. What a good, unbiased review. Did you experience the jerky throttle most people have? Good work, and God bless. 👍🏿
I'm seriously thinking about one of these as a second bike to my RT, yet to ride one but I'll get a test ride soon, got a local dealer 5 mins away. Thanks for the review :)
I’m so glad you have reviewed this bike I got mine beginning of December last year and just turned 12,000 miles I’ve been down to Spain, Portugal and Morocco twice now with no issues!! It’s comes with everything that I need. And comfortable.
The Engine noise. It sounds goid and it seems on the video to seem quiet and not deafening like somr bikes ..is that right?
did you buy on HP/PCP? it's not really advertised how much monthly payments are. Are you happy to share what you paid?
@@daver3110 not sure Chopse done a review a while back can’t remember the exact cost but I think it was under £100 month PCP
Wow awesome to hear of a long term view on this bike 👍👍Pete
A guy I ride with brought one 12 months ago, had no issues and loves the bike
I've had mine nearly a year now. It was bought as a lighter alternative to my RT1200. It's now my go-to bike, it's done 5k miles, summer and winter, still immaculate. The TFT menu takes a bit of getting used to, but once you do, it's easy without looking. The in built tracker and vibration sensor are great and reliable, and it comes with 4 years of recovery free. I love just riding it for no reason, just for the fun. I've never had the neutral gear issue. It's heading to Portugal in a months time, and I know it will deliver having toured around the Lake District and Scotland on it already. Residuals aren't great, but no intentions of selling so irrelevant. Great review !
BMW Motorrad should think about hiring some Chinese designers so their new adventure bikes don´t look like shit anymore.
So true!
Ditto KTM there horrible orange mess
@@mark_us_CGN you must be into Lego! 😂😂😂
That’s a silly comment. Market leaders, especially with adventure bikes. I know the latest 1300s are a bit controversial, but I suspect that they will still maintain their market share and people will grow to like their styling again…….
@FelixtheHuman-zp8dw
absolutely agree, its so ugly it will never see the inside of my garage, i see a spike in sales of the 1250 gsa while you can still get them
I own the 800 MT….excellent bike, no issues, fit and finish holding up, reliability faultless so far (1200 miles) most crucially it brings bikes of this spec and calibre within the reach of many people who would otherwise never be able to afford such a thing….this is their strongest point to my mind
I thought of you when I saw the video. I actually prefer the version with the cast wheels, pity they aren't gold though.
@@simonbowen6653 Its easy to get them powder coated or better still Cerakoted.
I'm just back from holiday in greece, where all the scooters and quads seemed to be cfmoto. The hire guys really rated them for reliability, easy to work on and robust, and they can't get enough of them. I had a little 200cc scooter, my wife and i have a combined weight of 26 stone, and that little thing took us all over the island, up twisty 1 in 3 gradients, mountain dirt tracks, in town, zipping along tarmac roads, and never missed a beat. Started in less than a second on the button hot or cold, didn't smoke, wasn't overly noisy or clattery, and had spent 2 seasons getting beaten up by tourists.
I would call that a true reliability test, and in my opinion it passed no problem. If the bikes are anything like the scooters in that respect i think reliability won't be an issue.
Just have to park it where my mates won't see it because they'd take the piss and I'm shallow like that.
Glad you have tested this bike. I have owned mine for 2 years and 10000kms in Australia. I still love it. It does everything well. Great value. The gearbox neutral issue may be fixed with a software upgrade. Cfmoto have over the air updates from the rider app, no need to go to the dealership. I did mine just after taking delivery and noticed better fuelling, gear shifts, neutral, and cruise control. Very excited about CF moto's upcoming models. Great addition to my garage and has proven to be a reliable tourer. No issues in our extreme summers and (yes we do get them) cold and very wet winters.
Stoked you liked it.
Regards
Adelino
Some great comments in the video and in the chat where they are all pretty much advocates of the bike. One thing to consider is that not everyone has GS/KTM/Ducati/Triumph money to spend and yet we still need new riders to keep our industry alive. This bike hits a great price/feature point and should be highly recommended for new (and old), adventure bike riders. All riders should remember that not everyone has £20k to spend on a second form of transport (for most), so should back off on derisory comments in group rides. As you say in the vid, "dont comment until you have ridden one". Personally, very impressed.
This exactly what what we did with Japanese bikes in the 70s called them rotten and most wouldn't buy them A decade later and it was a different story. I have had my Benelli 502c now for three years and its still rides and looks like new.
This looks as though the Chinese are doing what the Japanese did with car manufacturing back in 70’s copying popular cars and their styling but making them reliable and cheap. Gaining a good market share and with time developing their own very good cars.
My only concern is over reliance on one country for our products, if China decided to switch of the supply tap rest of the world would be stuffed
Spot on Dave. The motorcycle press and all the miserable old geezers setting their points and tappets every weekend called them rubbish. The rest of us bought them in droves and spent more time riding round having fun than mending them. Motor Cycle News voted the Norton Commando ‘Bike of the Year’ for 5 years running. Biggest laugh ever.
The Japanese were'nt killing their citizens and selling their body parts for profit.
@@steveinskip4897 O god yeh i started off on a Honda CD200 benley i was a kid really just passed me test. i abused it rotten but you know it never ever didn't start took me to work in all weathers but my mate at same time had a BSA bantam and it was a pig broke down at least once a week he spent every Saturday fixing his for our Sunday ride outs me i just popped me lid on kicked her over and off i went.
@@DynamiteDaveLlewellyn I had a Bantam D7. Absolute mess it was, but the best i deal ever did. Bought it for £7 and sold it for £15. Over 100% profit. Try doing that on a GS1300. 🤣🤣£££
Iv had my CF Moto 800MT for 4 months and put just over 3k miles in it so far , it’s been faultless, never missed a beat, the engine does need a bit of time to break in , about 1K miles , also true of gearbox, love the gold wheels except they are a bit of a nightmare to keep clean, only thing Iv changed is I got a taller screen .
Its keep in a garage, no issues with corrosion and Iv yet to hook it up to a battery maintaner and battery has been perfect, it’s stood out side overnight in rain and cold on a few
weekends away and started first time no problems.
So far absolutely loving it .
Ah yes been hoping for this. A massive high five to CF Moto, a beautiful bike at a great price. When you hear from owners they always seem happy.
Great honest review. We need to stop referencing china and just review bikes against manufacturers. £9k for all that bike and it looks great and by the sounds of it rides great and sounds good too. We need more bikes that are affordable and this one is incredible value compared to other manufacturers so at the very least it may make the opposition think twice about their prices. I’m an older fella and love riding my bike but it saddens me that every bike cafe is dominated by old bald men. Appreciate that its insurers too that are pricing younger riders out of the market but hopefully these much cheaper imports will eventually bring the price of the whole bike market down to a sensible level. I ride a 1st gen XR and could upgrade to the latest gen but it kills me to feed the ridiculous market that manufacturers have created. My son wanted to get into bikes as he thought it would be more fun and much cheaper than owning a car but had a baby when he saw the cost of bikes and checked out a couple of insurance quotes. Very sad…. Ramble over
Quote’ it sadden me that every bike cafe is dominated by old bald men’. I hope you are not referring to The Missenden Flyer. 😂
@@Peter-wc4kr 🤣🤣
has to be treated like an expensive hobby for the first few years. 1 years no claims dropped my insurance from 900 for 1 bike to 600 for 2 bikes. Hoping the license changes will help too.
Great looking bike. Well built. Extremely well equipped. Great price. Nice dealerships. What’s not to love?
Nothing if you intend to get another.
Longevity
I’ve had a quick go on the 450MT at the ABR festival, seems a good bike, engine was strong upto 60mph.
I went to buy one when I got home but there sold out until next March! I think that tells you all you need to know.
Hi Andy. I have a two year old CF Moto 800MT, an ex demo bike I bought in December with 1,800 miles and 18mth old. Have put another 3000 miles on it since then and absolutely love it. I’ve had Triumphs and a Suzuki before buying Chinese made bikes and haven’t noticed any dip in reliability or standard of finish. I haven’t experienced any issues finding neutral. Love your channel content and hope to see you and Carole again at next year’s ABR. 👍
I have the MT800 Explore in NZ. Compared to my 650XT Vstrom the MT makes it look like and feel like a dinosaur. No issues so far goes great, handles fine and the best thing you get free software updates via the net, no need to go to the dealer and the bike app is pretty neat, you can even geofence it. I purchased mine for touring and the odd gravel road, and it does this well and bloody comfy, i'm 6'2. Waiting on the taller seat to see how fit is on that. If you see them around, take a second look. They are only going to get better.
Great review as always and I think I can allay any concerns to quality and reliability. A friend and I bought 2 of these and prepared them with an ABS switch and Bark Busters for an Australian outback tour through Flinders Ranges and outback central Australia. Both bikes covered more than 5,000 kms off road and were not treated kindly. Both CFMoto 800MT’s were bullet proof, neither suffered any issues but for fuel surging when the tank is brimmed (outback fuel considerations) Both riders have had many GS’s and I currently have a Ducati Multistrada V4S and an Aprilia Tuono V4 Factory. Admittedly I did cop flak from mates when I bought it but it is a game changer to anyone that rides one. Incredible value and just a great bike to ride for many hours non stop, very comfortable.
Wow - thanks for that - praise indeed.
I think CFMOTO has finally arrived as a good alternative.
Just purchased a 450MT as a second bike next to my streetfighter V2. Love both 👍🏼
I have one and i love it , i can change the settings while riding heated grips and seat. The Explorer has more extra then this one , but that one wasent out when i bought mine. They do stop making these and go fot the 700 MT instead. The 650 MT fabrication has stopped to. I had to buy my panniers for 1500 Euro's . I also buyed a protection guard for my cooling fans ans a battery tender. In total i costed my 14 000 Euro's. I have it for a year now and i havent got any problems yet . I ride all seasons and i keep it in my garage. As for finding neutral , no problems there , i can find it easly.
I’m so glad you picked this as I mentioned it. This has made my day.
Nice looking bike with a very attractive price tag. Especially when often your looking at bikes twice the price. Very informative and gives people an insight into another make/model.
I wouldn’t worry about px values, when the purchase price is low to start with. What matters is the cost of ownership. BMWs depreciate a lot from a higher starting point. Spend £23k on a GS and expect to get 65% back after 3 years for a trade in. That’s £8050 spent over 3 years, almost the entire cost of a new 800MT.
The latest adventure bikes from CFMOTO and Benelli are looking and performing fantastic right now, and being a grand or two below their European and Japanese counterparts just adds to their appeal. Reliability and weathering/rusting is getting better with each release, just the dealer and parts network need a bit more attention, but what an adventure market we now have!!! Great review and insight TMF!!
Best value for money, for this nice quality bike, which as always, can be refined, when needed to meet bikers interest❤
What a great looking bike and affordable to get people out to go on adventures great review thank you
Checked out one today, at my local dealer. While i didn't take it for a test ride, i was impressed with it's build quality. And YES, it's in the Goldilocks zone, in my opinion, for being a practical, budget friendly machine, for everyday riding. Other competitors, be warned😎
Really can't argue with the value, spec, looks and overall package of the CF Moto. I'd happily own one of those, especially at that price!
I hear the same comments about Chinese made bikes as we're made about Japanese ones when I was a kid - and look what happened there.... I'd be very interested if you could get hold of the new 450 MT, that's had some very positive early reviews.
Too true .
I was very interested in the CFMoto 800T and test rode it on a demo day at a local dealership. The bike itself was great; the dealer added fees were not. I ended up buying a 2024 KTM 790 Adventure (also built by CFMoto). The KTM was $2000 USD less expensive out the door even though it had a higher manufacturer’s suggested retail price.
Mr flyer never seen you go so fast on a bike looked like you enjoyed it carry on
I thought the same thing. 😂
Is the car park at Great Missenden station ever full?? It must be the only railway station car park with spaces always available for motorcycling TH-camrs! 😂
Which is why I use it!
The London underground starts not far away in Amersham and Chesham. So possibly those stations are used more by commuters.
Looks really good Andy. You've prompted me to have a go on one!
I just paid a deposit on a new 800 MT Sport today ! Trading up from my (brilliant ) 2019 CB500X ! Couldn’t get a Touring model here in Ireland ,sold out but I’ve added what i need to the sport , 42l top box, handguards , heated grips and bash plate. I’m not a fan of QS unless it’s a sports bike so wont miss that !! Have had 2 test rides and absolutely loved it !! Keep up the great work!
This is a great looking machine, and is exactly what i want. I had a chinese 125 and i did 2 tours of around 400 miles around Scotland and it did not miss a beat. Had a couple of issues, however it never let me down actually on the road. Maybe i had a good one, however i would be really happy to have another one.
I bought one 4 weeks ago and im well impressed,, iv owned 28 bikes over the yrs and this is as good if not better than some of em (early gs 1200 springs to mind ) ,, iv got 1800kms on it, brilliant bike to ride .
Great review that should help sell more. I'm an owner since November 2023. 8000 miles done. Winter riding included. Garage stored. No issues or rusty bits Inc chain. Screen is good and easy to use on the go. The jerky refresh you mention might be the display on the tacho as the numerals enlarge as the virtual needle moves past them giving that inoression. I've done a European tour as well as lots of UK bike meets. Not had one negative comment. My dealer is one of the new batch and has been great too.
Ive got a Benelli TRK 702X and its epic. Ive owned 60 bikes over the past 30 years. And ive watched chinese bikes go from shockingly bad 15 years ago to a force to be reckoned with these days. Very impressive
That’s also an excellent bike and a top selling in Europe! As you said Chinese bikes have changed a lot! Buy one now before the prices go up
Yep I've got a 502c had it since 2020 and it still looks and rides like new.
@@johnterry804 thats exactly why i got one now
@@theriggsworkshop8606great choice ride safe 👍
@@DynamiteDaveLlewellyn i love mine.. Im surprised how close it is in quality and ride to the " big boys" id say 95% there.. Watch out honda, yamaha, suzuki, and triumph
That looks like its worth considering.
Usually, when they offer a 4 year guarantee, that means they are serious about establishing their brand in a market.
@@michaelcase8574 Doest’t have to be like that. I’ve seen Chinese brands offering 6 years and then the brand left the country or even the whole EU in 2 or 3 years, because they didn’t reach the sales they expected.
With CFMoto that’s hard to happen, as they’re a bigger brand and they are trying to destroy western and Japanese bikes with the help of the CCP
@ALIENdrifter66 I guess it's always a gamble for companies.
I do agree. They would love to put the other brands out of business. The fact that some of the parts are knock offs prove they have no respect for pattens. I can never take the CCP at face value. I don't trust their motives.
@@ALIENdrifter66 In New Zealand they only give it a two year warranty ... we must be rough buggers!
Have had this bike on my list for a while now! Thanks for the insights.
Interesting review & bike. CF Moto are seemingly the best Chinese manufacturer to date & as you say are making some decent products these days. Also, ironically KTM's bad reliability rep is historically & largely based on bike's they made in Austria, not the CF Moto versions. I wouldn't rush off to buy one but I also wouldn't categorically rule them out anymore either.
With regards to price , some dealers had the 800 MT Sport for £6799 recently
Came to say the same thing. I believe it is an official offer by the importer. I don't know when this was filmed but was surprised the lower spec wasn't mentioned as it does seem like a lot of bike for three year old KTM money
That’s more like it. And goes toe to toe with Benelli. I certainly wouldn’t pay £9k when you look at what you can get used for that money
I’ve ridden with a chap with an 800 MT a few times and it’s a good looking bike and very well equipped for the money. He’s had it since last November and as far as I know not had any problems with it. He did mention the gearbox being a bit tight/clunky at the start but it loosened up after 1000 or so miles.
I think some of the bigger manufacturers could learn a thing or two when it comes to extras, warranty and overall price. Specing up something similar with a similar equipment level could add £5k to an already costly purchase.
CF Moto are definitely a force to reckon with. They've done their due diligence before coming to market and the dealer partnership with KTM will give confidence to potential buyers, especially with a four year warranty. You see their name appearing in Moto gp sponsorship. Would be good to see a long term review.
Such a nice bike! I had an accident last December and I plan on buying one of these for my return to riding! Great video! ❤
Nice bike, better looking than some i could mention.
I rode 60k kilometers on my CFmoto 650 tk, very reliable and practical. A lot of bike for the money I paid it. The 1250 tr-g is now on my radar
You need to test the CFMoto 450 MT. It looks and sounds great
Thanks for a thorough and thoughtful review. You bring up a lot of good points and issues. I’m embarrassed to admit I really don’t understand what a quick shifter is. I’ll have to see what I can learn about it.
Hi all, i bought my 800MT Explore in February. Ive done 10000km. I love it. No issues so far. I was going to get a KTM890 adventure, the morning i was going to purchase the 890 a freind suggested i look at the CF Moto. I had priced the 890 with the electronics turned on and added the heated seat and grips, and tire monitors. All that and more is factory on the CF Moto. The CF Moto was nearly 50% cheaper. It is working out well. The CF Moto also has blind spot radar. On the down side the KTM has about 30mm more suspension travel. For me, bang for buck, CF Moto is a winner
Good to hear….
My main concern would be depreciation. I would worry about what people would be willing to pay for a 3 or 5 year old 800MT.
@@AsmodeusT , I don't disagree with the view regarding resale value however my mate has just swapped his 1200 gsa for a 1250 gsa, the 65 plate he sold has halved in the 5 years he's had it and the 1250 he's replaced it with he paid 13k for a bike that was probably pushing 19k or so when new so all of a sudden depreciation on a cf moto doesn't matter.
@fredricgreene9857 You are right that it's not just less expensive brands that have that problem. I personally wouldn't buy a bike or car brand new that would lose lots of money like the example you gave. I made that mistake only once and now am very careful. For instance, a Triumph T120 looses far less in depreciation. It will be interesting to see if the 800MT holds its value.
Interesting to see you reviewing a CF Moto 800, I've not seen a Chinese manufactured bike on your channel before, while I haven't ridden a CF Moto 800 MT I have had a good look at one in my local CF Moto dealer and was impressed with the build quality and equipment levels, it's also a good looking bike that wouldn't embarrass you at the local bikers cafe however the most impressive thing is the price which makes the equivalent KTM and BMW look very over priced indeed and on that point alone it's difficult not to take it seriously.
It is true that most consumer electronics are made in China, and that you can't get away from buying good with some parts made in China, but that's not a reason to buy an entire motorcycle manufactured in China. I'm not saying don't buy it, I just had to address that logic.
I do wonder what dealer support and resale value would look like.
Resale won't be great. But if you own it for 5+ years it becomes less of an issue, the money you lose on resale is compensated by the money you didn't have to spend buying add ons and the lower purchase price.
I'm not sure what your cut off point would be though, is it 50 60 90% parts made in China but no more ok? No if it is 100%. What if they put the wheels on in Austria? That would probably at 2 grand on it's own though so... I really think as Motorcyclists we are going to make our decisions on good rider feed back and reviews such as Andy's not where they are built. The real impact from China will be in Global E Cars purchases. They are waiting for the likes of Tesla to do the Full R&D on the likes of self drive etc, then copy the results and make them half price ,after all they have the infrastructure to make the batteries now.
Dealer support and spare parts can't be any worse than "prestige" Italian brands like Benelli, Aprillia and MV. As far as Chinese quality goes, they can and do make whatever you want, Apple and Tesla are made in China along with the majority of branded goods in the world. The only issue is that unless you have your own quality control staff in China the minute your back is turned they can substitute components for cheaper alternatives given half a chance.
As CF Moto actually make the engines (and possibly the entire 790 bikes, and 125cc for KTM) plus using Bosch components, the overall quality is probably similar to other brands. I've had BMWs since the mid-1970s and the quality fell off a cliff after the 1100/1150 models and the 1200s were introduced. My current LC R1200R Sport, bought new in 2015 was a replacement for one which caught fire due to a wiring fault after 59 miles!!
The days of Chinese is cheap and poor quality are long gone. I remember they used to say Japanese bikes were cheap and poorly made, not like those "solid dependable" British bikes. Makes me laugh.
I had a Yamaha YBR 125 a few
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Great comment Buster.
Another great review Mr Flyer, this bike is now top of my test ride list.I have test ridden the new Tiger 900 GT pro and that is a great bike to ride but not as good looking as this and is almost 50% dearer with the extras. Shame the nearest agent is 300 miles away from me but what's not to like at this price?
Be very interacting to see how this compares to the newly announced Kove 800. They had a small stand at ABR.
Thanks for posting this. i was impressed with whole CF Moto range at the shows this year, build quality seems to be right up there. Wish them luck, UK market is a tough nut to crack, we're all a bit too brand conscious.
I have a 2020 CF Moto 650GT for 2 years now and did the NC500 on it in April this year, no issues with it at all and rides really nice... Only thing I'd say is with pillion and luggage it could do with another 10 bhp
I’m watching on my Chinese iPhone. Nice bike
iPhones are assembled in China.
They are not made in China.
Switch to a superior android phone. 😂
@@kwak1kyou forgot to add “from China”😂😂👍
I own a CLX 700 Heritage, and I think it's a fantastic bike. I've had it for nearly a year now and put about 6500 km on it, no real issues to talk about at all. Considering what I paid for it, it was an easy decision. It seems CFMOTO is about to make a splash, as we see more positive reviews pop up, and prices for these bikes remain incredibly competitive. Thanks for the honest review mate, cheers!
I really like the looks of this bike... apart from the gold wheels
That’s what appeals to me!
Benelli trk702 next please. Local dealer here is still giving the luggage with the 800mt. It all looks good stuff. I don't have a problem with copying. Let's face it if more manufacturing would take good points from other bikes and use them it would be better . When you look at the price of the bmw gs 900 and triumph 900 this bike is definitely a bargain but only if you hold onto it as the second hand values are much lower. The only grip I have is after market parts and upgrades available compared to mainstream brands. I know from a couple of guys who like to do self maintenance that parts can take a long time.
I had the opportunity to see these bikes at the NEC and they felt really well put together glad to see a review from a Brit and how they fair on our roads thanks TMF might have to get myself a chinese😂
Not long bought my 800MT. Wanted something to tour on with a pillion and my fireblade isn’t that bike (still kept it though). Tried the Africa Twin (nice bike, too expensive) and the transalp (not bad, bit boring, no kit at all!) and then went and gave the 800MT a go after a chat with Michael Mann when I saw him at super bike factory. Test rode the 800MT touring and instantly wanted it. Put my deposit down and collected it a week later. Brilliant bike, well put together, fun engine and so much kit. Fog lamps, up and down quick shifter, heated grips, heated seat, hand guards, crash bars, fog lights, Nav, Bluetooth etc etc list goes on! Really happy with my purchase and at £110 a month on PCP, how can you not?
Sounds good to me!
I don’t have a problem buying a Chinese manufactured bike. I don’t have a problem with build quality or warranty… BUT, I would challenge the assumption that more tech is always better… for me I would prefer this bike with NO quick shifter, NO TFT (a dial will do), NO connectivity and NO modes. The less tech there is the more pure and engaging the riding experience. More tech does not equal more enjoyment.. I can’t help thinking that without all that nonesense fitted this bike could a grand cheaper and all the better for it. This is true of ALL manufacturers, not just CF Moto.
Good test though Andy.. enjoyed watching.
@@duncancleverley6366 the only thing in your list you can’t change is the dash. You just leave it in one mode and use the clutch for gear shifts. I assure you, this is a bike you just jump on and go. You pick your settings and then leave it. I’ve got an 07 fireblade with no electronics but I still really enjoy my 800MT. The heated grips and seat are really good though!
Looking good
Thanks 👍
I rode a CF Moto 700 CLX Adventure for a few months a year and half ago but it was never a problem, the dealer have move now with KTM (same shop) so big positive. The sport bikes 450 SR and SRS I rode surprised me a lot. The 450 MT still waiting on that, they sold out and stock are like gone to pre orders.
To be honest if I could have a 450 sports bike Heritage and adventure I would be happy. Like the 80s all over again.
I had a Suzuki RGV 250, XR400 & CB250RS
They're an excellent motorcycle. I recently bought a transalp and decided against the Suzuki DE800 and Cfmoto, after riding them, because I didn't want a bike that "big". The kit on that bike is fantastic when compared to the others, adjustable suspension, tubeless tyres, handguards, bash plate, quick shifter and more. The mt450 is gaining some popularity as well.
Great review Andy, looks a bargain to me, a lot of bang for your buck, which is a good thing these days. Appreciated.
They need to get over the fact about being Chinese made. The basic fact is they are good bikes and great value. People need to look at their own history before pointing fingers at others. I have usually bought Ducati Multi Stradas in the past and they come at a premium however I would have that bike and the cash difference in my back pocket instead of buying any of the premium brands.
The CFMoto 800MT has good reviews and at this price its good value, but the concern is parts availability and resale value !!
Hi Andy, I went to look at one 3 months ago, I found it a bit top heavy, but it did have all the luggage on.
I went on a FB forum to get some feedback from owners, I don’t think it had traction control on the first batch this year, the throttle needs a re map because it’s jerky.
The weirdest thing was that the bikes are old/new stock.
I asked at the dealership if they are new bikes, apparently the UK bikes were made in 2022.
The other con was TFT problems, I’m not sure if it was the odd one.
Lovely looking bike…. But KTM , reports of engine problems at 20,000 miles.
Really enjoyed the video, I was really close to buying one of these, perhaps I’ll regret it later, then perhaps not.
Great review. Have been considering one of these and your review is very useful
Glad you found it of use - thank you for watching!
"Raises a red flag", ha ha awesome comrade.
I cant believe we did`t notice that communism was a bad idea from the start, with so many red flags.
Saw this at Motorcycle Live last year and it looked impressive for the price. Maybe it’s a wake up call for one or two “mainstream” manufacturers and their “squeeze every last penny from the customer “ Strategies. You know who you are if you’re reading this 😂 Great review as usual 👍
Note - Honda transalp!
Yes. love the latest Con the manufacturers use. Here is your new very pricey bike with all the gizmos . You have have them for 500klm but after that we turn them off till you pay.
Note They will take a leaf out of apple / microsoft those great commuinity minded leaders, wherer you no longer can buy the software and update only if you want, NO this will transform into we give you the software but you now pay a monthly/ annual fee for its use. perpetual $$
We’d all be better off buying less chicom stuff.
Looks like a great alternative
Good looking bike! Thanks for the review, Andy.
No problem 👍
Thanks for the review. And yes when you were talking about the gear box, I was telling myself wait and see, I have the exact bike, and I had the issue, but it is nothing serious, and it can be worked out using two hands, adjusting the wires, I did that just two days back, I read the fine print v6 and I accept and approve lool.
I alsay watch your videos and am cool with you talking fast, you may wanna add to the print, there is speed options on YT app so people can use that. I love the bike too, and bought it to set a trend and also test how well it will go, nothing against the GS, but want to give others a chance to prove or improve themselves
Hopefully you soon get their Explore model. More refined engine with Apple Carplay with a different dash and music controls on the left handlebar, 6 riding modes adjustable on the move and blind spot monitor. Had mine here in Australia since August 23 and enjoying it every ride.
TMF, I think you're entirely right to be open-minded about Chinese-made bikes, or indeed, those made in India, because if these machines have sufficient quality and affordability they will act as a moderator on the pricing by other manufacturers. You only have to think back to the days of "grey imports", which had exactly this effect. To illustrate, I had a new R12 NineT as a courtesy bike while mine was being serviced recently and I was truly shocked that the MRRP is over £16K before options, for a bike which is, when all said and done, fairly basic and limited in its useability.
I have a little cf Moto 300 SR that I learned in. It was almost impossible to find neutral with the engine on. But I mentioned it at the first service and they fixed it somehow. No problems since.
I just purchased the 2024 KTM 790 Adventure. Made by CFMoto, What a great bike and engine. Some of the best riding Ive had. I'm just praying it will hold togeather. Lol.
17 BMW RT
23 Kawasaki KLR650
24 KTM 790 Adv
19 RE Interceptor 650
Here in Slovenia its 5 years garantie. I have Explore model around 5k miles. No problems. Happy with this bike! Regards!!
Good to hear!
very interesting to hear your thoughts on this. This could be the bike to boost the opinion of Chinese bikes in general
Yes agreed….
Thanks for that Honest review I have Just booked a test ride on one as a result of it and the fact The Bingley Wheeler has just purchased one. He hasn't mentioned the finding Neutral problem, It will be the first thing I'll be looking out for later. I love everything about them from what I a have heard and seen so far. I'm wondering if waiting a year or so though might make best sense and value as the price would be even lower, problems if any would become apparent and you'd still have 2 years warranty left.
I've just bought a CLX700 Heritage, 5k otr. You can't argue with that.
Heavy industry in China has really progressed. Quality parts, machining, manufacturing, and materials are always possible to me made.
IMO if I was an upstart brand entering a new market, the last thing I would want to do is send over a piece of garbage knowing full well the motorcycle media would absolutely eviscerate it.
The biggest question is the supply chain- knowing you won’t be marooned somewhere on a bike that can’t be commonly repaired. The KTM partnership is solid.
I for one welcome more competition in the motorcycle world. It forces our overlords (especially in the world of ADV) to innovate and makes our lives as consumers generally better.
Can’t argue with the CF Moto value and spec. You had difficulty selecting neutral but I have the same problem with my 2020 BMW 900 XR and regularly leave it parked in gear - 1 or 2. Must test ride one.
That looks the nuts and sounds great 👍
What a handsome looking bike. Equipment levels and value for money are great. This bike ticks all the boxes for me and l wouldn't worry about the opinions of the, all the gear no idea brigade down at the local Starbucks.
They also have a 800 MT X in the works 18 and 21 inch wheels but much the same bike with longer suspension and different wheels
Growing up in the 70s in the states it was looked down on to buy Japanese vehicles. Now look how well established they are and their reliability
Great review as always. We are lucky with bikes there is a great variety of choice. I think CF moto will continue to do well. Interesting to see how the Benelli trk 702x does the 502 was a big seller in Italy its priced well and older 502s seem to be holding up well to UK weather
Whole CF Moto range is great value for money for riders of all experiences. Good that they actually have small capacity models on sale often neglected by many existing Brands.
it looks way better than the new BMW GS. My issue with any chinese brand has nothing to do with the quality, it's about the world wide issues they are involved in.
West Taiwan sure is getting serious about their bikes
4000 miles on my ibex 800 t and it's been fine. Good motor, little top heavy, looks good, comfortable, not super refined, but still good. Cfmoto is a reputable company and making serious strives to be legit. They are good.
I have a Benelli 800 Trail and it’s been amazing and looks good to.
This is a very constructive, sensible, and honest review. Cudos to you!
It was good to see you include the gear issue in real time but also include some constructive criticism on the TFT interface, whilst highlighting the good ascepts which work well. What a good, unbiased review.
Did you experience the jerky throttle most people have?
Good work, and God bless. 👍🏿
Didn't notice it or I would have mentioned it....
I'm seriously thinking about one of these as a second bike to my RT, yet to ride one but I'll get a test ride soon, got a local dealer 5 mins away. Thanks for the review :)
See if you get the Explore, same bike with a few extra bits and riding modes.
@@Boony682 it’s actually the explore model I’ve been thinking about, slightly bigger screen with CarPlay etc. seems like the best choice :)
Very impressive and super price some great reviews on here from already owners well worth a look at compared to over priced alternatives