I Visit United Chargers Factory And Check Out The New 80-Amp Grizzl-E Ultimate EV Charger
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 มิ.ย. 2024
- Last month I traveled up to Ontario, Canada to visit United Chargers new manufacturing facility and check out the company's new offering, an 80-amp EVSE called the Grizzl-E Ultimate.
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:03 The factory tour
08:53 Customer service team
14:08 I ask why United Chargers manufacturers in Canada
20:50 I check out the Grizzl-E Ultimate, an 80-amp EVSE
26:39 Will 80-amp AC charging become the standard?
27:21 Grizzl-E MINI portable charger
29:13 Outro
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Great units and their customer service is top notch. My house got hit by lightning (copper bell tower) and it blew a fuse inside the charger unit. I couldn't find anywhere what the fuse size was, customer service helped right away and offered to send a replacement fuse. Servicing the unit was very easy.
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The page for the Mini should be updated with the adapters it comes with. From the manual:
14-50 natively.
Adapters for:
5-15 (aka standard household)
14-30 (modern 4 wire dryer with neutral)
TT-30 (Travel trailer 30 amp. The manual says 240V but these are 120V)
6-50 (like a 14-50 without neutral)
After listening to CEO I’m glad I took your advice Tom. Bought a Grizzl-E for my house and a second for the barn at our ranch 200 miles away after watching your review. The one at home is outside. Built like a tank, I never worry about it being affected by the weather. Glad I supported the company and Canadien economy. :)
Oh yeah Tom sold me on one years ago. They are solid. I actually had an issue with my original unit but Grizzl E sent me a new one no problem.
I bought a Grizzl-E because I wanted a simple, high quality charger. Being a Canadian company was a bonus! Great Video!
I will be buying a Smart 40 from Grizzl-e, once I'm pull my permit. I see they offer both 6-50 and 14-50 plugs. Since so many people have these hardwired why not save some money and offer the 40 amp units with an option for no plug. Even if you don't offer a credit for the plug delete (its already a great price) the cost of the plug can go on their bottom line.
As a charge point operator, I’m very interested in Tom’s review of Grizzl-e’s Charger that includes software for multiple accounts and direct billing. Stripe is an excellent application for payment processing.
I would be very interested if Grizzl-E made a Duo 80 amp ultimate unit with one 25 ft cable with J1772 connector and another 25 ft cable with NACS connector to future proof my garage! Such could share power as required with two EVs off one 100 amp breaker.
Thanks Tom! I ordered the 40 amp unit just a few days ago. It won’t arrive until next week just in time for my panel upgrade. I live in Texas and realized that buying it directly from Grizzl-E in Canada I’m also saving on sales tax. What a great value for a solid high quality product!
I bought a 40amp Grizzl-E charger based on your review Tom and it has been bulletproof and it's understandable how much this company cares about the product that they produce
Ditto…my Grizzi-E has so far performed perfectly. I like the way you can change the amperage to match your breaker.
Same
I've been using the Grizzl-E Duo for the last two years. Excellent unit, rugged, good price. Easily keeps two EVs charged and I bet we could keep four going by alternating every other day. That's all from a very economical, single NEMA 14-50 outlet.
80 amps is expensive to set up, but for a rural destination or fleet use it could be ideal. Too powerful for typical home panels though.
That portable unit is awesome given the price and adapters! Glad to see it hitting the market.
Exactly, its main application is rural and destination charging. For Home use its good for all EVs but best for those which can actually accept 80 Amps.
@@unitedchargers Your TT-30 adapter is shown as a 208-240V adapter, but TT-30 is a 30A 120V circuit. Could you explain?
Welcome to Canada Tom! Hope you enjoyed your time here.
I did
This was a fantastic video! Thank you for opening your doors to Tom and us! I hope you have great success with your company!
Proud to be 🇨🇦. Love it!
I had a classic and upgraded to the Duo. Both have been absolutely rock solid for years. When I need my next charger it will definitely be from united chargers.
Having a 80Amp Wall Connector is a great idea, Super off Peak rates are only for 6 hrs and with my Model Y if I'm below 10% it takes over 6 hrs on Tesla's 48Amp Wall Connector. However the real issue is that BEV manufacturers have 80Amp AC charger capability on board the vehicle. Would love it Tom if you would pass this on to any EV manufacturers that you have contact with to bring this to their vehicles in the near future.
Glen is great. Their hardware has great value engineering. Super practical. Like Russian space gear, you can whack it hammer and still send it into space. I have a classic running at 32amps in rural NH. Outdoor. Always works. ⚡️
I’ve found high power AC charging to be very useful for the right use case. Particularly at state parks where you might dwell for a couple hours. Wish them luck
Great video! The "one more thing" intro of the mobile unit was the best part. If it passes the Tom-test, that is...
Would love to see a review of grizzl-e mini (and a roundup of best portable chargers).
Thank you!
Great content, Tom. Your videos are always very informative. - That 40 amp Mobile Charging kit is a great value for $399! I may consider ordering one for my R1T. I’m disappointed that the mobile connector provided by Rivian will only charge at 16 amps.
More important than torque is probably coefficient of expansion of the cable and the binding posts. Once copper is compressed it does expand again if the nut torque is reduced.
Good Video. This guy should run for office in Canada!
Competent, therefore over qualified 😂
I bought a Grizzl E in 2021 when I purchased my BOLT, bought the extended 5 year warranty. Recently went to their website, and there is no record of my purchase.
I got this unit. But only had it set up for 48 amps. My car can only take 48 amps WiFi is great Good robust cable. I do wonder about the torque specs for the wire into the TA-2 lugs. 20 inch pounds to the pcb but nothing for the wire to lugs. Great product that should outlast me. Errr my car
Great company, Great employees, Great CEO, Great products and Tom did a great job again! Thanks!
It would be great to see a review of the Grizzl-E 80 against the new FLO 80 with nacs which has a 5yr warranty and which is coming out this summer, a new group of 19.2kwh NEMA4 chargers!
About ordered the Mini but alas, it doesn’t have exchangeable J1772 and J3400 plugs. Many AC swappable plugs which is handy for traveling for the future that would eventually always include a J1772 to L3400 adapter and I’m not going there. Great video Tom‼️ 29:30
The GrizzlE Mini TT-30 adapter is shown as a 208-240V adapter, but TT-30 is a 30A 120V circuit. Usually these adapters have a resistor that signals to the EVSE the voltage and the max current. TT receptacles are wired with L1 and N, so either United Chargers engineered their TT adapter/EVSE wrong or they need some better copy editors and tech writers. IDK, maybe I'm missing something.
At 4:23 it looks like an ordinary socket wrench, not a torque wrench, is being used to tighten one of the output connections. Maybe that's a different fastener, not actually for the terminal?
Looks like he using it for the mounting bolts for the pcb
@@TheLazyCarrotthe board mounting was the previous station. This is described as the station where the output cable is terminated.
Great video, thanks Tom
I live in a high heat, high humidity, hurricane prone region. I picked the grizzl-e classic for its durability. In a few years I may need to pick up a dual charger when my wife replaces her ICE car and I also hope to pick up the mini for when I'm out camping and want to plug into a camper hookup
It seems the Grizzl-E mini has been on the market for a year. Has something changed?
Most people won't have a panel to support an 80 AMP EVSE and if they want one the price to upgrade your service can be astronomical (+$5000). It would be nice to have that charger as a standard but that's pretty much wishful thinking. Not many vehicles can take advantage of it! The bright side is if you purchase that unit and throttle it down the settings and still be future proof, I guess? The price is right for sure!
Yes, you can throttle it all the way down to 16-amps if necessary and then raise the output in the future when and if you upgrade the electric.
The specs show the Ultimate 80A supporting 80A, 48A, 40A, 32A, 24A, 16A, where the current classi 40 only supports 32A, 24A, 16A.
The EV9 can support up to 48A, and getting a 50A breaker into a 200A service home should not be a problem. Not to mention as per the interview the Ultimate 80A will have payment processing and be targeting small commercial installations as well.
@@YKSGuy To use 48 A, you need a 60 A circuit (and breaker) per the "125% rule" for continuous loads. If you only have capacity available for a 50 A circuit, you will want to set up for 40 A charging. Or get a charger with automatic load management (Telsa, Wallbox and Emporia have that) to be able to install a 60 A circuit and only run the full 48 A when you aren't using other major loads.
I am building a new home and my current evse is electrify home unit. Not impressed with it and going to leave it in the house I'm selling. My wife wants me to get an 80 amp unit to be future proof. Looking at the grizzl e unit. Now is this a good idea or not since most evs can only do 11.5 kw or less at this time?
I have or should say had a Juicebox which was made in Canada (I live in BC Canada), just recently died, contactor fussed closed and according to Juicebox is not repairable. The case looks the same as teh Grizzl-e, might have to buy one!
Juicebox is made by Enel-X and they make an excellent product. I installed their Pro model that supports multiple accounts and direct billing. Their warranty is excellent and covered repairs due to a hurricane. They are a Grizzl-e competitor.
If Grizzl-e can sell a commercial charger for $699 with software, they will rock the industry. Most others cost nearly double. I prefer products like Grizzle made in N. America.
Good vid👍
So, their moving to Mexico!
Great interview Tom
Do these guys plan on expanding beyond the NA market? Europe/Oceania/South America/etc.
Yes
This is all a big learning curve for so many of us, but if I understand this right, this is more than what you need for say the 2022 Chevy Bolt's 11KW on board charger which requires
a 60 AMP load in order to charge from zero to 100% full in the 7.5 hours theoretical specs published, but of course your panel in your home has to be upgraded right?
Is there any harm however in using a unit like this for the 11KW /60 AMP requirements for the 2022 and later Chevy Bolts?
There is no harm. The vehicle always dictates the upper limit of power it takes in, so you can use a charger that can deliver more power, but the car will only accept the power it's limited to.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thank you I was hoping you would say exactly that, on a almost important unrelated question, I can't get the correct answer to this question, maybe you could look it up more quickly as i'm not a Bolt owner myself yet: Question: ? Is the standard 6 speakers in the non Premier trims, also provided by Bose ?
To get the maximum charging rate on the '22 Bolt you need a 60 A circuit for 48 A charging (or larger). This has an option for a 60 A circuit or a 100 A circuit. Either would give you the same charging rate on the Bolt. Or you could buy a cheaper charger that has the option for a 60 A circuit, but not the 100 A circuit, and you'd get the same charging rate.
Whether you need your panel upgraded depends on many factors--many people have enough unused capacity available to install that with no upgrade. But even if you don't have the spare capacity, an electrician with the right expertise can install a Wallbox, Emporia, or Tesla charger with a monitoring system that automatically adjusts the charging rate on a minute-by-minute basis according to how much capacity you have available.
When are they going to come out with a 48 amp charger you can hardwire?
They aren't. The 80-amp unit is the solution. You just limit it to 48-amps with the internal dipswitch.
Ok thank you. I’m imagining the 80 amp unit is likely more than I want to pay for. As it is likely priced higher than other 48 amp chargers.
Which vehicles will charge at 80Amps?? Ford Lightning and??
Some prior models of Tesla. However, with bigger trucks and batteries 80 amp chargers will be more common.
What is the max copper cable size the 80 amp unit is designed for? #3 awg?
I think it’s #4.
@@HawkJ88 That's what it says in the manual, but #4 isn't big enough for 80 A continuous per National Electrical Code so I don't know how you can install this meeting NEC.
For runs up to 100-ft, #4 is NEC compliant
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney It's an ampacity issue, not a voltage drop issue. It's a problem for any distance. In the 75 C column of Table 310.16, #4 is listed as 85 A. That means you can only charge at 80% of that (125% rule), which is 68 A. 80A continuous load (e.g. EV charging) is not allowed. Better get some expert opinions on this in time for your review. Happy to share my credentials if that would help.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Hopefully the 80 amp Grizzl-e can accommodate #3 copper, when we installed my son’s 48 amp ChargePoint Home flex that unit could accommodate #6 awg copper.
think the mini is the best unit,,, saw on their website they dont have it listed for sale in Canada thou,, seems weird
I'm looking forward to getting one to review
It wasn't for sale in Canada because it wasn't UL listed. Canada has stricter rules about that. They finally got it UL listed. So it should be on sale in Canada too soon. Maybe they need to clear out the old non-listed stock first?
Tom has once again done a grand slam of a review with this company’s improved EV chargers.
Fan of the channel. But the laws of economics won’t work long . Especially after production incentives are removed. Idea is for most in the world to collaborate for the best outcomes. Each one doing the best they can, and delivering the best to the market. I understand they are already moving into Mexico, and that indicates realization at some level, which is great.
Once incentives will be removed, we will occupy 90 percent of the market, as we are the ONLY EVSE manufacturer in North America, which had not received a single dollar from government of any kind. We sell in Ontario, where no incentives for EV chargers or EVs and we sell more than 90% of the chargers in Ontario.
We opening plants in different regions to cover those regions locally. I believe in local business and paying local taxes.
That’s indeed commendable and great for United Chargers. Congrats! However I do believe that on the whole, it’s important that we achieve broader cooperation globally, not withstanding the security & other concerns, as that way we optimize value addition across.
Actually - an 80 AMP charger is somewhat harmful to EV adoption.
Alpha charger customers are still waiting for the product promised years back. This group does not follow through or care about customers. AVOID - very dishonest
Very sorry about Alpha project myself, we took on to too many projects at a time, and still Alpha, PCPH and other very important for fleet electrification projects are not complete. Yes it is totally our fault, but we are trying to survive and now prioritizing project which are most important for electrification future. Soon we will get back on Alpha project and we will do it.
Now we still have to focus on Grizzl-E lineup.
@@unitedchargers throwing old customers under the bus is not a great survival strategy. Appreciate not being forgotten
@@nosoupforyou425 Nobody is under a bus. Alpha 1 is a very good working charger which delivers local smart functions and charge to your car. I use the same Alpha 1 charger for my personal EV and it is working great for the last 2.5 years. New Alpha 2 is coming, once we finish current Grizzl-E lineup completely.
Super lame 😒
You don't have to admit your character failings online.