Ranking Every Star Wars Lightsaber Form
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Sharing my personal thoughts ranking the 7 classic Star Wars lightsaber combat forms in a tier list used by Darth Vader, Darth Revan, Luke Skywalker, Asoka, Darth Maul and many more.
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which form has the high ground?
Kemobi does
that is correct indeed
@@garrettjow have a question. What form does Ezra use in him vs Rukh in the finale? It seemed a bit more like soresu rather than ataru.
Form six
IMO: You've gotten the wrong interpretation of form 6. It's an easy to get into but hard to master form. It gets a bad rep because the majority of jedi who picked it up did so because they're nerds and learned them anyway but they never really learned it. But the ones who really study it definitely are the vast majority of the top tier duelist.
It's the wizard of lightsaeber forms lol. You are super weak early levels but later levels are busted. Don't excel in one area of combat but can swap when needed.
i appreciate your scholarly outlook on form 6. it totally is a wizard’s form!
The way I think of Nimen is it's the Samurai/noble person's form after a few era's of peace, or martial artist schools that don't practice active sparring. Namely it's a form designed by people who have never seen combat and it is much more an artists form then something actually used for combat, a form for Jedi who are much more interested in spiritual matters then martial ones. Given that all the Jedi who went into the pits of Genonosis went and died? And that there really aren't any notable practitioners of it? I'm willing to bet that it just wasn't a good form due to having too much baggage invested in it.
There's a reason the Japanese in WW2 were so nuts in terms of doctrine. They pretty much based their entire culture on fanciful writings of Samuari who lived in an era of their decline and spent decades writing fantasy to justify their decline in status as warriors to nobles. I'm willing to bet Niman is pretty similar, it was invented by Jedi who hadn't experienced a serious test of their skills in at least 200 years and thus spent a lot of time justifying to themselves why they were so spiritually enlightened.
@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 There are quite a few notable users of the form such as Darth Krayt, Exar Kun, Maul, and Starkiller. The form itself isn't weak but a majority of the people who pick it up never try to go far with it. Hence my comparison to the wizard in D&D. Early levels wizard is a chump with a lot of options but not enough to be really effective at anything. Early Niman is the same, you have to learn every prior form and incorporate the force into it. Learn a bunch of various spells rather than focusing. But later level wizards and masters of the form are exceptionally difficult to fight. They can adapt to basically anything you throw at them and switch to your weakness.
The Jedi as an order got complacent and out of practice, not the form
Yeah, unless your names Count Dooku, don't try to use form 2 against blasters. Dooku's really the only one to innovate the style to a point where he could deflect blaster fires effectively, and fight multiple opponents. The only flaw of the form he wasn't able to fully overcomes, well somewhat perhaps but not totally, was its weakness to form 5 users with overwhelming strength.
your insight into Dooku and form 2 takes the high ground🤌🏼
Not to say Makashi doesn't have potential to be adapted practically. I believe EvanNova or Jensaarai said it, but Makashi can be improved upon but a lot of the practitioners end up detracting from the form's practically by focusing on fancy, flashy technique. I think Makashi could work with other forms if blending in stuff like Niman or Soresu, but it's moreso a problem with Form 2's users.
As for Form 5, yeah. Dooku wasn't taking that one. The Anakin he faced by the time of early ROTS was a full-fledged Jedi Anakin who made use of Form 5's power to its fullest extent. (Dooku shoulda ratted Sidious out tho lol)
Not a bad video at all and I’d agree with almost everything you said. I think my only big change would be moving Ataru up higher on the list, then lowering Niman, and maybe even lower Juyo/Vaapad. I say that because Juyo/Vaapad were so rare and difficult for all users to gain proficiency in that it lowers its stock. And Juyo especially completely lacks defense, which can’t be overlooked. Then of course you have to factor the danger of using Vaapad if you’re a Jedi. But more importantly, I think you glossed over some of the other important pros for Ataru, and also missed several other proficient users, like Ven Zallow and Kao Cen Darach from SWTOR (though Kao used several forms as a battle master). But you missed that Ataru is an excellent form to use in battle with multiple opponents and chaos surrounding you because it is well-suited for moving quickly from target-to-target and engaging multiple enemies, which is why it was so popular during the era of The Great Galactic War. Then Niman I think should be right at the bottom with Shii-Cho since they’re very similar in principle and Niman especially is a Jack-of-all-trades, but a master of none. And afain, those are just my personal opinions vs yours; we’re both subjectively correct. But GREAT video overall man.
Oddly enough, I'd pick a mastery of Form 1 Shii-Cho. As the basis of all other forms, it has the potential to adopt the characteristics of any or all of them. When you're learning the other forms, you're learning a specific master's modification of Shii Cho. This is especially true of Form VI Niman, which is essentially a prepacked combination of all these masters and their modifications. Shii Cho is the distillation of light saber combat, and leaves the most room for creativity and improvisation. When you want the teacher to step out of the way and let you do your own thing, that's Shii-Cho. If you prefer to learn without having to reinvent the wheel, then you're better suited for the other forms. Niman specifically being the academic's form. Additionally, Shii-Cho's simple style leaves room for finding your areas of strength in the force. And as the Padawan's style, it easily ties into all uses of the force without any other master's personal bias. In order to make the best use of Shii-Cho, I'd spar every other style regularly with a focus on the Living Force to adapt instinctively to each.
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Supposedly George Lucas said Palpatine did not let him win.
That's a myth from what I've heard. He only said that Mace disarms him.
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I would definitely be trying to master form 5. Its tactical enough to where you can have an answer to most fights, while also having the power to overwhelm most opponents, and i prefer tactics over sheer strength myself
If I had only 1 choice to start out with I’d choose F5Shien , then after mastering it, I’d implement F2Makashi , I like how both forms use quick foot work to get the best of opponents.
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What a cool video, man! I liked how you interpreted each form and you and I are similar. When it comes to games that require sword like combat (like Ghost of Tsushima or God of War or even Star Wars) I always liked a solid defensive approach, too. Allows you to read into trends and styles of the other fighter.
I would make a devil’s advocate argument though. I would say Form III is the best because it’s the most versatile. An impenetrable defense can allow you to read, anger, exhaust your opponent, but also allow you to slip into offense fluidly, right? Wouldn’t that versatility be the best to use? It could also be that Obi Wan is also the most clever fighter in Star Wars so maybe I’m wrong with form III
thank you sir! like your perspective - you might be right about form 3🍻
@@garrettjow I’m sure your analysis is far better than mine! I didn’t even know Form V had more than one variation. I learned some new things from you. Besides, I’m totally bias for Form III because it’s Obi-Wan 😂
Nice video.
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@@garrettjow my top 3 saber forms are: form 2, 5 and 7 (in no specific order) . also like if count dooku's beard is under rated.
liked! def under-rated
For me it would be between form 3 and form 5.
I like form 3, simply because I feel there's a higher chance you will have to deal with blaster fire, or multiple attackers.
I like form 5, due its ability to provide both offence and defence.
I would also pick form 2 as my third choice. I just like the flow of the style.
Although, I would only train in form 2 once I've mastered form 3 and form 5.
I'm not a fan of the other forms though.
Form 1 is too basic, and doesn't offer much compared to the other forms.
Form 4, I don't like its over reliance on fast paced movement.
As a martial artist, I find during sparring sessions, that my body is unable to cut to different angles, or bounce around. It feels like more of a solid structure.
Form 6 could be a great form to use if you're willing to spend the amount of years to master it.
My problem with it is, you might not be interested in learning all 5 forms, so you might only be bothered to train with forms/techniques that your interested in. The other issue is, if you're going to spend that much time trying to master form 6, then why not spend that time to master 1 or 2 forms separately.
For form 7, it just seems to be a more aggressive version of form 4.
If I had to pick a Jedi based on lightsaber forms, it would be Obi-Wan, Anakin/Darth Vader, or Luke.
If I had to pick a master to receive full Jedi training, it would be Luke, Count Dooku, or Qui-Gon. Simply because they're not rigid to the Jedi code.
Personally, Lightsaber forms is a bit of fluff introduced between movies. Why did Dooku Fence? Because the actor had some experience in it and he was a count because he played as Count Dracula and Luca's was just gushing to work with such an esteemed actor. Why does Mace Windu have Vaapad? Because he's apparently a BAMF who the writer's can't separate the actor from his other works. Needless to say, I'm pretty critical at the best of times when it comes to forms, and it's usually a strong expression of character over everything else. E.g. Qui-Gon and Yoda don't fight very much alike despite having the same form due to their different strengths and weaknesses.
To answer the question though? Ataru. Empathsis on speed over all else is pretty solid as ultimately the key thing to manage in a duel is distance, which I imagine would be empathised with super human perception/agility (Which, IMO, is the only reason you could swing a sword against a gun.). It might have a lot to do with my character of 5 years in a roleplaying game called Edge of the Empire using that form as an assassin who ultimately found himself caught up in matters far bigger then he; so being thoughtful but extremely decisive when the chips are down my mind of a warrior pretty nicely. Form 2 is a close second though; as fencing is well suited to a sword that basically has no weakness when it comes to cutting.
Jar'Kai could've done with a mention maybe but apart from that great video, earned a sub and reckon you'll grow pretty fast making quality content like this
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S Djem So
A Vaapad , Juyo-Kos
B Juyo , Makashi , Jar Kai
C Soresu , Shien , Niman
D Ataru , Shii-Cho , Trispzest
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Liked the video but it doesnt take into account the negative drawbacks that is the amount of time/talent you would need to master 5 and 7. Are you going to be a Jedi Guardian and spend all day every day working on these forms? Are you go to be working on your upper body and/or have enough Force talent supplement your physical strength enough to compensate?
Soresu is the best forn because it isnt THAT hard to master and keeps you alive. 😎
what's your source on Ki-Adi Mundi using makashi? All sources I've read describe him as an ataru stylist
Yoda didnt use Soresu?? He used Ataru form4 .Dont get me wrong he mastered all 7 but against the clones after order 66 as you was saying.he used F4!and not to nit pick but Ahsoka used Jar kai and Ataru b4 shw switch to 2 blades
Ashoka used form 5 like Anakin, but her style was it's sister half Shien ( same as her mentor Plo-Koon)
He literally said that Yoda used Ataru as his primary form. Yes he was also a master of all the other forms, meaning he was able to blend in elements of other styles to supplement the disadvantages of Ataru. He focused around Ataru because his size made the acrobatics inherent to the style very useful, but it doesn't make the style any more effective at defending against blasters. Just because Yoda is jumping around doesn't mean he's always using Ataru either, he has to do that with every style regardless of whether it revolves around acrobatics or not.
Mundi is really associated with form 2?
In general, I think it is not possible to rank the styles, as they really depend on the specific matchup.
What I like about Makashi is the elegance and that it is very energy conserving. But I think my form of choice would be Niman. A highly underestimated form. I really love its Jack of all Trades approach and that it can easily be combined with force attacks or Jar'Kai. Easy to learn but extremely hard to master (that's why so many Niman users where "weak" because they didn't reach the ceiling of the form and only learned the basics). As I would probably follow the path of a Jedi Battlemaster, this would be the ideal form for me.
solid insights! it was tough to rank each style as a standalone.
Bro; Form5 "Djem So" variant nit the "Shien""..all day long and if i cud deploy a variation of "Soresu and "Djem So".indestructible !! ALL Of Anakins aggression and tenacity with Kenobi defensive mastercism if thats a word😂
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qui gon let maul win so he wouldnt cry and bother qui gon as a force ghost
lore accurate facts
@@garrettjow fr thatsd why ataru is S teir
sith cant become force ghosts
Rebels had better pilots than the Empire..? Ehhh I'd have to disagree with you chief. For many reasons
The jedi and sith codes
Soresu is the worst form if we’re talking irl sword fighting. Star Wars it’s good bc of blasters being slow af, but if your only plan is to block and wait then you’re fucked
Dun Moch for me.
Either that or Juyo.
You're mean 😞
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@@darthbane5357 Yes.
Shii-cho should not be F-tier especially if we're looking at the form by itself in a vacuum. It's a good generalist form but for that same reason I wouldn't argue it to be high tier.
I'd put Makashi lower than Shii-cho. It's not a bad form but it's overspecialized. It's good at 1-on-1 lightsaber combat but so many forms can contend with it in the same area while not giving up ground in other areas.
Niman is hard to place it's either mid or high as a base just because sometimes its depicted as a crash course in the previous 5 forms or a perfect blend.
I'd put Soresu lower. It's less of a form and more of a philosophy. It's a great compliment to other forms, except Shien/Djem So which is Soresu but better. As a base it's bad as one cannot win fights being solely on the defensive. Obvious exception being against blaster bolts.
Juyo/Vaapad are good assuming one can overcome the skill floor and avoid succumbing to the darkside (unless you're a darkside user). So for Jedi I'd put lower and Darkside is accurate
I'd put Djem /Shien So above Soresu. If their opponent isn't sloppy, Soresu users NEED other forms / abilities to create openings. For example Obi-Wan used his extensive training in Ataru to press the attack, while Darth Zannah used Soresu as a wall while she overwhelmed her enemies with sith sorcery.
Form 5 on the other hand, creates those opportunities by forcing the opponent to retaliate, which leads into the form's patented counter attacks.
for me: soresu for blast deflection makashi for saber combat.
btw would love to see you rank force powers