Tomer, you asked us to leave you a comment on how you could have won the second game, so here it is. On the end step you cast Mystical Tutor, if you tutored for Turnabout instead of Minds Desire you could have won when you untapped by copying Turnabout infinitely with Reiterate buyback for infinite mana. You had exactly 10 mana sources in play, and the combo works just like with Reset where you need an upfront cost of 10 mana to start but only 7 lands to keep it going (you had 8). Once you make infinite mana, you can cast Recurring Insight and copy it any number of times with Reitierate to draw your deck, and then once again using infinite mana, you can cast Guttersnipe and AetherFlux Reservoir, cast any instant or sorcery, and then copy that spell with Reiterate infinitely to trigger those cards infinitely, killing Richard.
He also had the win with Haze of Rage after his mind desire turn of he had Epic experimented leaving 4 mana floating to haze > buy back > haze. For a total of +32 on his flying creatures
That's something I appreciate about our friendship. We can get away with hilarious levels of spite against each other. It's not something I'd do to anyone else really.
Don't you mean the "Techical Difficulties" screen? Because Seth's mispronunciation problems are bleeding into the editing for the videos; this is becoming a problem.
I just think it makes more sense to have drawing people the next spot after, like rather than have one person in first place and then three people in fourth place I think it'd better to have the rest as second place, which is still last place in essence. Also it helps keep the points more similar, if the same people did combo decks and everyone else got 1 point and they got 4 it would give them a pretty considerable lead. So I think this is the most fair way of doing it.
@@Summon_Aery Fair enough. If they were actively playing for points, it would suddenly make sense to string along the kills, which is one reason cmdrvs has to be more careful about their solution. If you're not opposed to half points, you could also average the points given to players that lose at the same time. Thus 2 points each for a full sweep, and 2.5 or 1.5 for two out at once.
Well, he didn't lie when he said his deck's goal was to make sure everyone had the same amount of fun...he didn't say the amount would be zero though :)
Trostani has wurms?! That's not good, I guess she'll need to see a doctor about that. Bad humor aside, it looks like Tomer is trying to avoid playing aggro at all cost. Even getting sick so he doesn't have to play an aggro deck, lol. Get well though.
@49:00 I remember playing some commander in university against my roommates Karador deck, and at one point he draws a card and just scoops out of nowhere, he was running two copies of Disciple of Griselbrand, one was in play and he drew the second copy.
has reiterate-> does not use reiterate to storm his entire deck 1:08:19 does he just miss that cast or am I missing something? lotus pays for reiterate and mind's desire is on the stack with a ridiculous storm count
Ceasar crossed the Rubicon to declare war on Rome, not the Tibor. Tiber is a river, though. It's with an E, and it's the river that the Romans used to make their aqueduct from. You weren't too far off, Tomer.
Tomer, during the turn where you went crazy with Talrand and stuff, I guess you could've just kept your turnabout for a turn instead, and then next turn Reiterate/Turnabout for infinite mana and storm count
Sol lands are good when they're one of your first lands to accelerate you. Playing a signet on turn one is much more impactful than having an extra mana on turn 6.
O-Ring and D-Sphere have triggers, so you dont get back what they stole. Banishing Light and such are templated differently, and do return their stuff.
Just discovered mtggoldfish I have quit playing magic for years now amd have sold or given away all my cards. But this serious makes me happy and nostalgic. Makes me miss my old edh decks. I had a nasty Dralnu extra turn/mill deck it was banned by my friends. I ran 22 counter spells I think I deserved the ban lol.
Was I missing something or was that not an infinite combo? He has 3 mana from artifacts and it cost 3 mana to activate the scepter. So where would he net the infinite mana?
I understand that Tomer had it during the first game. But I wish he had at least cast Mind's Desire with a shallow storm count to just see what would happen. This is not to say that conceding was the wrong answer, he had a demonstrative loop to win.
i feel like the big worm shouldnt have been on the table, since he can cast lightning bolt infinite times after he gets infinite mana, he could let the worm resolve, then bolt it and all the 5/5s it makes infinite times even if teferi's protection had resolved
Yeah, worldspine wurm wouldn't have survived in a paper game. And Tomer could probably have won if he had read the last line of text of Charisma, all he had to do was find a way to counter (or redirect) the Sylvan Reclamation. Either way it was a fun episode.
Vince said it best "I can't tap out anymore." I think a healthy dose of combo is good for keeping things interesting or giving things like control or spellslinger decks a viable win con over smashy big beaters. Vince is great cause he's not complaining but adapting to their group. I hope the power level of deck gets well rounded and keeps some combo. Great games guys!
i totally agree with tomer about temple of the false god, and i feel the same way about the karoo/bounce duel lands as well. i hate them, unless your deck is concerned with untapping permanents for infinite mana the bounce lands under 95% of circumstances are just terrible and set you back.
Dont really understand why people think old Niv is better than new Niv. Like, if you cant cast an instant or sorcery to start the combo after untapping... what are you doing? Or have anyone cast a spell?
It's because old Niv Mizzet is easier to cast than the new one. The new one has a new ability, however it requires a stronger devotion to izzet, which makes it tougher to cast and less desirable in a Grixis, Jeskai, or any other multi color blue red deck.
I mean, hell, even UR only decks might have trouble casting him. Particularly if the deck builder is on a budget and isn't running a bunch of fetchlands. I personally just think the card is extremely lazy. Can they not come up with anything other than "durr draw cards and deal damage" for the leader of the supposedly unpredictable and creative geniuses that comprise the Izzet League? It's almost like they're doing it on purpose to piss people off.
Demos i Death and Taxes is a Orzhov thing. They have the extort mechanic, and they’re the ones who literally collect taxes from people. Azorius is more of a judicial group, they care more about regulations and a strict code of conduct than making any form of money. I know that Vince loves his D&T, but you can only really run half of that in Azorius and it wouldn’t be on point with the flavor of the guild
I'm a little frustrated with this commander clash. I love storm, like played it for 7 years in modern built two storm commander decks love storm, but when Tomer picked Tibor and Lumia with the intent to be a unique izzet deck I really hoped to actually see that at all. The deck felt more like a storm deck with no commander and some random dead cards than a Tibor and Lumia deck, especially since T&L are so unique it would have been cool to see them actually do more. I kind of hope in a future episode they get another shot where they actually get to shine.
Did you not see all of the cards that synergized with Tibor and Lumia’s ability? He didn’t get to play any of them because they were never necessary but they were there
@@frankomancer I saw them but my issue was those cards never seemed relevant. The fact that he had dramatic sceptre, foresight combo and a fair number of storm pieces, to me felt like t&l were taking the backseat in general deck design. Comboing off in one game would have been one thing but he comboed both games and then even after the combo failed never seemed to use his commanders. I get that levitation, wonder and basilisk collar were in the deck but they didn't seem relevant with how the rest of the deck was constructed.
T&L for sure are "Charisma"-tic >:D I played them for a long(er) time in a not-storm but spellslinger'esque deck with a spell-based voltron-theme that tried to profit from T&Ls abilitiy to wipe the board on a regular basis and fly in for a lot of damage!
I agree that it's unfortunate that 6 cards out of 100 ended up eclipsing what the rest of the deck wanted to do. That said, I do believe my version of T&L stayed true to the commander and the deck design evolved naturally from it. If you're curious here's a quick rundown of how I built it: T&L's first ability doesn't look like much: it gives target creature flying. This protects your creatures from T&L's earthquake effect, but more interestingly since it's an easy way to target creatures I paired it up with Willbreaker to steal that creature and Dismiss Into Dream to exile it instead. To maximize the use of this ability I ran cheap Blue cantrips (Opt, Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, and mana-neutral Frantice Search) to get the most value for my mana before T&L are dealt with. T&L's second ability is the scariest one at a glance, being an Earthquake. To protect my own creatures from this ability I ran Wonder, Levitation, and Archetype of Imagination, the latter also turning off flying on opposing creatures to make them vulnerable to Earthquake. Then to make this weak Earthquake more lethal I added deathtouch with Basilisk Collar and the ability to outright steal creatures with Charisma (which I clearly should've read better, oops). To maximize the amount I can trigger my Earthquake, I ran cheap Red cantrips (Crimson Wisps, Expedite, Faithless Looting, Renegade Tactics). The next most important cards for this strategy were Gelectrode and Weaver of Lightning. Both of them synergize with the above cards just like T&L do so they're good redundancy. Niblis of Frost also works well with Willbreaker and Dismiss into Dream. I'm already running a ton of Blue/Red cantrips and these creatures benefit from more Instants/Sorceries, so I knew I wanted to push into a Spellslinger archetype. From there I started adding the typical Spellslinger cards, so in comes Young Pyro, Talrand, Primal Amulet, etc. At this point most of the deck is filled. For win conditions, it seems typical T&L lists run creature-based finishers like Leering Emblem and Kiln Fiend with the idea of Storming off and then swinging for lethal. I sorta did that too by tossing in Haze of Rage. But I also didn't want to rely on just my creatures to win the game, because so much of my deck already relied on them to do everything else and I'd be useless if I couldn't get them to stick. So I decided to throw in the Firemind's Foresight combo: it seemed on-theme to me and I thought it would be relatively difficult to pull off. It ended up working way better than expected. The last cards added were Dramatic Reversal and Steamcore Weird (for Seth). Reversal was added because I was already running Isochron Scepter and I've never seen the combo before. It ended up being too easy to win with in this deck, which was my mistake. The deck already had plenty of ways to win so this was definitely overkill. So that's my thought process behind the deck. I do think I added a good amount of ways to show off what this unique commander can do. I didn't want to go all-in on T&L specifically because that strategy is too linear and loses to too many things (like Vince's creatureless Prison deck). So I added a powerful Spellslinger element that I think flowed naturally from the cards I was running, and it ended up being the perfect way around Vince's Prison which was targeted specifically at Creature strategies. Honestly, if Vince just cast Grand Arbiter, any dream of Storming off would've been shattered as well. Thankfully he didn't!
I'm not fond of your banlist. Why should blue not play CyRift, but green gets to play Zendikar Resurgence? This card is just as absurd and will end up in basically any green deck. White decks will always play Land Tax, which is absurd at what it does. I feel like having cards like Rift (or Craterhoof and so on) are ok once in a while. I get that it's hard not to just put it in any deck, but once in a while it has to show up.
Most of your other examples are answerable in multiple colors with a variety of viable cards. CyRift is only answerable with a counterspell in hand at the time it's cast which requires specific deck building restrictions.
Best card for a hand full of lands? Manabond. Put all your lands from your hand on the battlefield and graveyard the rest of it. Plus 7 lands and no hand. Good times
Tomer stated he meant Rubicon later. But it's not like that was the only significant one. Like when he crossed the Rhine. In fact he was, "first roman general to take an army across the Rhine". th-cam.com/video/LOCBWh5Iwm4/w-d-xo.html
"tomer punts" as a masquerade to go first, fooling nobody. i support all things golgari. GO SETH! well, that didnt work out at all. damn you vince and tomer! (mostly vince because rest in peace is more evil than any black spell)
Thank you toner I hate temple it has screwed me over many times and it's not worth the slot. A basic or sexy land would fit better even a gate is more usefull
the series go up at 11pm est. instant deck techs, previews, etc are scheduled near noon, but Much Abrew, Budget, ATO, Commander and the rest go up at eleven. its not just lately, its been this way for a long time. I quite like it for some reason.
I'd much rather see Voral of the Hull Clade. I'm not the biggest commander guy, but I haven't ever seen him played. I think it would be a very seth deck, running a couple of the Fathom Mage cards.
@@nicholasrolo886 I get that ezuri is more efficient in some circumstances, but there are a couple of really sweet things you can do with Vorel. And commander clash tends to emphasize fun over efficient.
Richard just keeps proving my weekly statement of being the player that always gets help when he asks for (and he does it a lot), but that will never move a finger for no one else if asked to, not even for the fun of the show. "I don't care about RIP" he says in game 1 when Seth asks him for help, and plays Teferi's Protection on game 2, those 2 simple things sum up pretty well the kind of player Richard is in every game. But, hey, lets keep bashing around Vince for playing azorius... because Vince is the real evil for playing cards that the rest of the group (apparently) is never prepared for, even though they should, because it's a Commander game after all, and you should have answers inside of your decks in case things like that happen. On the other hand, gg Tomer, I personally don't like storm decks, but at least it wasn't another painful to watch moonfolk deck. And Seth, you totally deserved that Field of Ruin, haha, I hope you are even with Tomer now, and that next time you pay attention to the real threats on the table. I know the correct land to blow out was Richard's bounce land, but I totally support Tomer's spiteful choice this time (only this time, but don't do it again, please) As for Vince, embrace your villainous tittle, and have fun with it. I really love the show nevertheless. Even though my constant critics look like the opposite, I like this channel more than others. Keep creating content and things for people to talk about. And sorry if my English is not perfect, my native tongue is Spanish.
Should Richard put teferis protecc on an isochron scepter donate it to Seth animate it with galvanic genius, untapped it in a mysterious way, switcherooed it to Vince, untapped it in a mysterious way and then homeward pathed it to save the whole table? I don't get your point.
Seth needs to stop lying about his prison deck. if, that strategy is fun for him, he needs to OWN IT!! BE BOLD! Trust your heart, portrayed in the cards like that other card game. You guys O.
I can see why some people would get upset over it. They want to see what the other decks at the table can do so they can decide if they'd want to try one of those decks. But if the other players are cool with going up against stax then hey, fuck it. It's fun to use that kind of deck and it's fine to go against it occasionally. The only time it pisses me off is when someone brings their stax deck to every game. A stubborn stax-only player has the potential to kill EDH at game stores.
"I have infinite mana. Is that enough for Mind's Desire?"
Today I learned, "infinite is more than six."
I wanted to see the Desire cast :(
I appreciate your matching basics, Tomer. Sweet Ravnica basics.
Don't you mean Captain Combo?
I do so
Thank you!
If you randomly draw into an infinite combo and are able to play it through a Grand Arbitor player, then nobody is allowed to complain.
Haha, that's a fair point!
Awwh, spoilers man
@@kimdron256 you're in the comments
Even the "Techical Difficulties" slide had technical difficulties
I forgot what friends meant for us. BEST LINE EVER
Tomer, you asked us to leave you a comment on how you could have won the second game, so here it is.
On the end step you cast Mystical Tutor, if you tutored for Turnabout instead of Minds Desire you could have won when you untapped by copying Turnabout infinitely with Reiterate buyback for infinite mana. You had exactly 10 mana sources in play, and the combo works just like with Reset where you need an upfront cost of 10 mana to start but only 7 lands to keep it going (you had 8). Once you make infinite mana, you can cast Recurring Insight and copy it any number of times with Reitierate to draw your deck, and then once again using infinite mana, you can cast Guttersnipe and AetherFlux Reservoir, cast any instant or sorcery, and then copy that spell with Reiterate infinitely to trigger those cards infinitely, killing Richard.
Tomer and combos don't mix too well.
He also had the win with Haze of Rage after his mind desire turn of he had Epic experimented leaving 4 mana floating to haze > buy back > haze. For a total of +32 on his flying creatures
none of those had haste tho...
@@BeckettBaladas Haze of rage doesn't give haste, today I learned.
which is annoying since it really feels like it SHOULD give haste, I had to look at the card twice just to be sure that it doesn't xD
"Guys, I'm not a stax deck."
*plays Winter Orb*
"It's only a one-of!"
seth is a really good sport about having his games ruined lmao
That's something I appreciate about our friendship. We can get away with hilarious levels of spite against each other. It's not something I'd do to anyone else really.
THE ABACUS NEVER FORGETS
Can you play a deck that is just to make Vince mad (lots of stone forge mystic stuff)
also land destruction?!
Twin Tron with an equipment package?
Is it bad that I wish things would go wrong more often so I can see that “Technical Difficulties” screen again?
Don't you mean the "Techical Difficulties" screen? Because Seth's mispronunciation problems are bleeding into the editing for the videos; this is becoming a problem.
@@gavinzurmely7998 r/whoosh
What we learned today: Tomer can play infinite combos because even when he finds it he doesnt know how to execute.
Seth provides a really good example of why you should hold your tutors instead of burning them as soon as you can.
Commander Clash Season 5 leaderboard:
*Game 1*
Richard: 40 + 3 (+3 Joint Second)
Tomer: 38 + 5 (+4 WINNER! +1 Arch-Enemy)
Vincent: 32 + 3 (+3 Joint Second)
Seth: 30 + 3 (+3 Joint Second)
______________________________________________________
*Game 2*
Richard: 43 + 5 (+1 First Blood, +4 WINNER!)
Tomer: 43 + 3 (+3 Second Place)
Vincent: 35 + 2 (+2 Joint Third Place)
Seth: 33 + 2 (+2 Joint Third Place)
______________________________________________________
*Final Scores*
Richard: 48
Tomer: 46
Vincent: 37
Seth: 35
Well done Tomer, you did well with a storm deck! Which is apparently your weakness from what you've said in the past.
Is there a reason we give them joint second rather than joint fourth (etc)? Pros and cons each way, mostly curious.
I just think it makes more sense to have drawing people the next spot after, like rather than have one person in first place and then three people in fourth place I think it'd better to have the rest as second place, which is still last place in essence. Also it helps keep the points more similar, if the same people did combo decks and everyone else got 1 point and they got 4 it would give them a pretty considerable lead. So I think this is the most fair way of doing it.
@@Summon_Aery Fair enough. If they were actively playing for points, it would suddenly make sense to string along the kills, which is one reason cmdrvs has to be more careful about their solution.
If you're not opposed to half points, you could also average the points given to players that lose at the same time. Thus 2 points each for a full sweep, and 2.5 or 1.5 for two out at once.
Thank you! I really enjoy this =)
I'm glad! :D
For vince magic is a zero sum game no one is allowed to have fun. Land destruction now humility. Love the show
Sooner or later, Vince and Seth are gonna converge and play fairly the same Stax deck and the game will be a horrid abomination, lol.
Well, he didn't lie when he said his deck's goal was to make sure everyone had the same amount of fun...he didn't say the amount would be zero though :)
and you have no problem with the storm deck?
@@omegagaming609 the storm deck flopped
Storm decks end games prison decks prolong games far too long
I appreciate your on theme lands Tomer, I do it for all my decks too.
Can we get The Four Elements Commander Clash? (Earth, Air, Water, Fire)
I'd change that for the titans
@@Neth91 Too bad, they're not legendary.
Tomer punts again! Seth gets some karma back. Richard beats down with a tribal deck and all is right in the commander world! Well done~
Man, I really love the Gull-Garry guild
Jared Gullgary
I feel like there are some fans of "Dune" of the cast and I like it
Jackson Hawkins The Spice must flow
I love how almost every episode, Tomer says to the editor to edit something out, and the editor knowingly just leaves it in XD
The law deck using bribery. Flavor fail or flavor win?
100% win. Have you ever heard of a government where there was NO ONE who ever took a bribe?
Trostani has wurms?! That's not good, I guess she'll need to see a doctor about that. Bad humor aside, it looks like Tomer is trying to avoid playing aggro at all cost. Even getting sick so he doesn't have to play an aggro deck, lol. Get well though.
But she's a Dryad...well, she's THREE Dryads. Since she's basically a tree, wouldn't wurms be good for the soil she's rooted in?
Around her they are beneficial to her, however in her they are parasitic and can kill her.
where is sandworm convergence for the worm deck
Thank you so much Vince you became my spirit animal this episode
@49:00 I remember playing some commander in university against my roommates Karador deck, and at one point he draws a card and just scoops out of nowhere, he was running two copies of Disciple of Griselbrand, one was in play and he drew the second copy.
wohoo! i love augustin stax! kudos to vince for being the "villain" :)
Green counter spell is called Avoid Fate
I enjoy that recently I've been considering building a Kaho, Minamo Historian Combo.dek and Tomer manages to pull off Dramatic Scepter here haha
I love Tomer's new Moonfolk deck! 🤣🤣🤣
16:30 "I read a good book about Atlantis once." - Tea Gardner
I see you are a man of culture as well
"Vapor, steam, hot, cold, tomato tomato, alright?
3:03 Tomer groans. same reaction everywhere when grand arbiter shows up in the command zone.
I love the ischron septer combo
"Infinite is more than 6 Tomer" - Seth
Love your deck this time VInce!
@pleasantkenobi
Fuck Tomers bullshit deck though.
Tiber-Tai Ber. Like tai food, and then the sound you make when you’re cold. The river tiber
It is now Jan 30 2024, Grothama was finally announced on MtGO for MKM release on Feb 6.
how about the Advent of the Wurm? hmmm? pretty much the first Selesnya wurm that was efficient in standard.
has reiterate-> does not use reiterate to storm his entire deck 1:08:19 does he just miss that cast or am I missing something? lotus pays for reiterate and mind's desire is on the stack with a ridiculous storm count
Ceasar crossed the Rubicon to declare war on Rome, not the Tibor. Tiber is a river, though. It's with an E, and it's the river that the Romans used to make their aqueduct from. You weren't too far off, Tomer.
man tomer punting the combo to oblivion... and vince should go for a full on death and taxes deck haha
Tomer, during the turn where you went crazy with Talrand and stuff, I guess you could've just kept your turnabout for a turn instead, and then next turn Reiterate/Turnabout for infinite mana and storm count
So temple of the false god, isn’t it less bad in paper commander where you can just mull the temple away for free if it’s in your first hand?
Sol lands are good when they're one of your first lands to accelerate you. Playing a signet on turn one is much more impactful than having an extra mana on turn 6.
O-Ring and D-Sphere have triggers, so you dont get back what they stole.
Banishing Light and such are templated differently, and do return their stuff.
Just discovered mtggoldfish I have quit playing magic for years now amd have sold or given away all my cards. But this serious makes me happy and nostalgic. Makes me miss my old edh decks. I had a nasty Dralnu extra turn/mill deck it was banned by my friends. I ran 22 counter spells I think I deserved the ban lol.
I appreciate your basic too Tomer. I do the same thing now.
*Wants Trostani’s Selesnya deck to win even though Richard’s playing it*
Shows the power of teferi's protection.
Hey I could still play the guessing game Vince. Watching at 240p. Lol
Someone please play the Wherewolf tribal edh deck. Samut, The Voice Of Dissent is best commander for them (I think).
Was I missing something or was that not an infinite combo? He has 3 mana from artifacts and it cost 3 mana to activate the scepter. So where would he net the infinite mana?
It costs as much as written on the card. Which is 2.
I appreciate the on theme lands
OMG, i found another people who loves wurms
Temple of the false gods has its place, mono white or red control decks (i may or may not play like 4 of those)
I understand that Tomer had it during the first game. But I wish he had at least cast Mind's Desire with a shallow storm count to just see what would happen. This is not to say that conceding was the wrong answer, he had a demonstrative loop to win.
∞>6
LOL, you misspelled Technical
i feel like the big worm shouldnt have been on the table, since he can cast lightning bolt infinite times after he gets infinite mana, he could let the worm resolve, then bolt it and all the 5/5s it makes infinite times even if teferi's protection had resolved
Yeah, worldspine wurm wouldn't have survived in a paper game. And Tomer could probably have won if he had read the last line of text of Charisma, all he had to do was find a way to counter (or redirect) the Sylvan Reclamation. Either way it was a fun episode.
This week get excited about Tibor and Lumia get sad that Tomer didn't build a Tibor and Lumia deck.
I feel like it's a flavour fail that Richard wasn't playing Armageddon.
Vince said it best "I can't tap out anymore." I think a healthy dose of combo is good for keeping things interesting or giving things like control or spellslinger decks a viable win con over smashy big beaters. Vince is great cause he's not complaining but adapting to their group. I hope the power level of deck gets well rounded and keeps some combo. Great games guys!
Ach, good, old Gields of Ravnica.
i totally agree with tomer about temple of the false god, and i feel the same way about the karoo/bounce duel lands as well. i hate them, unless your deck is concerned with untapping permanents for infinite mana the bounce lands under 95% of circumstances are just terrible and set you back.
Dont really understand why people think old Niv is better than new Niv. Like, if you cant cast an instant or sorcery to start the combo after untapping... what are you doing? Or have anyone cast a spell?
It's because old Niv Mizzet is easier to cast than the new one. The new one has a new ability, however it requires a stronger devotion to izzet, which makes it tougher to cast and less desirable in a Grixis, Jeskai, or any other multi color blue red deck.
I mean, hell, even UR only decks might have trouble casting him. Particularly if the deck builder is on a budget and isn't running a bunch of fetchlands. I personally just think the card is extremely lazy. Can they not come up with anything other than "durr draw cards and deal damage" for the leader of the supposedly unpredictable and creative geniuses that comprise the Izzet League? It's almost like they're doing it on purpose to piss people off.
Not meaning to criticize, but the fact Vince didn't play azorius death and taxes is a huge missed opportunity
Demos i Death and Taxes is a Orzhov thing. They have the extort mechanic, and they’re the ones who literally collect taxes from people. Azorius is more of a judicial group, they care more about regulations and a strict code of conduct than making any form of money.
I know that Vince loves his D&T, but you can only really run half of that in Azorius and it wouldn’t be on point with the flavor of the guild
You are in for a treat next week my friends.
@@totalcoward blue has tons of taxing effects. Half their counters are taxing effects
Weaver of lightning and haze of rage buyback and storm copy with whatever the land primal amulet flipped into and you would have stabilized
I keep wanting to build an Abzan wurm deck.
I'm a little frustrated with this commander clash. I love storm, like played it for 7 years in modern built two storm commander decks love storm, but when Tomer picked Tibor and Lumia with the intent to be a unique izzet deck I really hoped to actually see that at all. The deck felt more like a storm deck with no commander and some random dead cards than a Tibor and Lumia deck, especially since T&L are so unique it would have been cool to see them actually do more. I kind of hope in a future episode they get another shot where they actually get to shine.
Did you not see all of the cards that synergized with Tibor and Lumia’s ability? He didn’t get to play any of them because they were never necessary but they were there
@@frankomancer I saw them but my issue was those cards never seemed relevant. The fact that he had dramatic sceptre, foresight combo and a fair number of storm pieces, to me felt like t&l were taking the backseat in general deck design. Comboing off in one game would have been one thing but he comboed both games and then even after the combo failed never seemed to use his commanders. I get that levitation, wonder and basilisk collar were in the deck but they didn't seem relevant with how the rest of the deck was constructed.
T&L for sure are "Charisma"-tic >:D
I played them for a long(er) time in a not-storm but spellslinger'esque deck with a spell-based voltron-theme that tried to profit from T&Ls abilitiy to wipe the board on a regular basis and fly in for a lot of damage!
I agree that it's unfortunate that 6 cards out of 100 ended up eclipsing what the rest of the deck wanted to do. That said, I do believe my version of T&L stayed true to the commander and the deck design evolved naturally from it. If you're curious here's a quick rundown of how I built it:
T&L's first ability doesn't look like much: it gives target creature flying. This protects your creatures from T&L's earthquake effect, but more interestingly since it's an easy way to target creatures I paired it up with Willbreaker to steal that creature and Dismiss Into Dream to exile it instead. To maximize the use of this ability I ran cheap Blue cantrips (Opt, Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, and mana-neutral Frantice Search) to get the most value for my mana before T&L are dealt with.
T&L's second ability is the scariest one at a glance, being an Earthquake. To protect my own creatures from this ability I ran Wonder, Levitation, and Archetype of Imagination, the latter also turning off flying on opposing creatures to make them vulnerable to Earthquake. Then to make this weak Earthquake more lethal I added deathtouch with Basilisk Collar and the ability to outright steal creatures with Charisma (which I clearly should've read better, oops). To maximize the amount I can trigger my Earthquake, I ran cheap Red cantrips (Crimson Wisps, Expedite, Faithless Looting, Renegade Tactics).
The next most important cards for this strategy were Gelectrode and Weaver of Lightning. Both of them synergize with the above cards just like T&L do so they're good redundancy. Niblis of Frost also works well with Willbreaker and Dismiss into Dream. I'm already running a ton of Blue/Red cantrips and these creatures benefit from more Instants/Sorceries, so I knew I wanted to push into a Spellslinger archetype. From there I started adding the typical Spellslinger cards, so in comes Young Pyro, Talrand, Primal Amulet, etc. At this point most of the deck is filled.
For win conditions, it seems typical T&L lists run creature-based finishers like Leering Emblem and Kiln Fiend with the idea of Storming off and then swinging for lethal. I sorta did that too by tossing in Haze of Rage. But I also didn't want to rely on just my creatures to win the game, because so much of my deck already relied on them to do everything else and I'd be useless if I couldn't get them to stick. So I decided to throw in the Firemind's Foresight combo: it seemed on-theme to me and I thought it would be relatively difficult to pull off. It ended up working way better than expected.
The last cards added were Dramatic Reversal and Steamcore Weird (for Seth). Reversal was added because I was already running Isochron Scepter and I've never seen the combo before. It ended up being too easy to win with in this deck, which was my mistake. The deck already had plenty of ways to win so this was definitely overkill.
So that's my thought process behind the deck. I do think I added a good amount of ways to show off what this unique commander can do. I didn't want to go all-in on T&L specifically because that strategy is too linear and loses to too many things (like Vince's creatureless Prison deck). So I added a powerful Spellslinger element that I think flowed naturally from the cards I was running, and it ended up being the perfect way around Vince's Prison which was targeted specifically at Creature strategies. Honestly, if Vince just cast Grand Arbiter, any dream of Storming off would've been shattered as well. Thankfully he didn't!
The Tiber River goes through Rome. Caesar crossed the Rubikon.
14:02 Tomer needs to try a Jerry Sinfeld impression
I once sang George's voice mail for a commander clash and nobody got the reference :(
@@tomerabramovici32 I didn't see it...I'm sorry that your the coolest one in your play group...if they don't know Seinfeld...
I'm not fond of your banlist. Why should blue not play CyRift, but green gets to play Zendikar Resurgence? This card is just as absurd and will end up in basically any green deck. White decks will always play Land Tax, which is absurd at what it does. I feel like having cards like Rift (or Craterhoof and so on) are ok once in a while. I get that it's hard not to just put it in any deck, but once in a while it has to show up.
Most of your other examples are answerable in multiple colors with a variety of viable cards. CyRift is only answerable with a counterspell in hand at the time it's cast which requires specific deck building restrictions.
29:39 grab minds desire and draw deck
Geez Tomer could you fucking not put infinite combos into every GD deck? It's like why did I watch this for X amount of time.
42:46
*yes intensifies*
Best card for a hand full of lands? Manabond. Put all your lands from your hand on the battlefield and graveyard the rest of it. Plus 7 lands and no hand. Good times
I came here to watch a Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord deck in action and Vince is trying to ruin it.
Tomer would’ve boughtback the lightning bolt at the end of the loop so he shouldn’t have used it on himself
The name of the copying spell is Reiterate. Now, you can look it up and read it.
Gerald Drapal That was passive agressive but ok, I see that it doesn’t work
20:38 Caesar crossed more than one river.
Tomer stated he meant Rubicon later. But it's not like that was the only significant one. Like when he crossed the Rhine. In fact he was, "first roman general to take an army across the Rhine". th-cam.com/video/LOCBWh5Iwm4/w-d-xo.html
@@faceoctopus4571 nerds
Before I watch this whole episode, I'm not blaming anyone for not playing boros
Cyclonic Rift isn't banned in Commander.
It's on their soft ban list
I would have been legit upset if Tomer won that.
TOMEEEEEER
still waiting for jen to turn up vs vince
vinces playstyle is beutiful now all h needs is armageddon
Hahahahahhahahaahhahahahahahaha XD, I'm dying
ban overwhelming stampede from richard's decks. things in common with most of his janky tribal wins: green deck, and overwhelming stampede.
Seth Seth seth... Its prenounced Gol-Gar-E not Gol-gary.
"tomer punts" as a masquerade to go first, fooling nobody.
i support all things golgari. GO SETH!
well, that didnt work out at all. damn you vince and tomer! (mostly vince because rest in peace is more evil than any black spell)
Thank you toner I hate temple it has screwed me over many times and it's not worth the slot. A basic or sexy land would fit better even a gate is more usefull
I suddenly remember why I usually dislike Azorius decks.
I hate how late you guys post the episodes lately ...
the series go up at 11pm est. instant deck techs, previews, etc are scheduled near noon, but Much Abrew, Budget, ATO, Commander and the rest go up at eleven. its not just lately, its been this way for a long time. I quite like it for some reason.
Obligatory comment asking for Ezuri, Claw of Progress
I'd much rather see Voral of the Hull Clade. I'm not the biggest commander guy, but I haven't ever seen him played. I think it would be a very seth deck, running a couple of the Fathom Mage cards.
@@zimrankroe6424 Ezuri is far more efficient. Vorel can be in the 99.
@@nicholasrolo886 I get that ezuri is more efficient in some circumstances, but there are a couple of really sweet things you can do with Vorel. And commander clash tends to emphasize fun over efficient.
@@zimrankroe6424 I understand that, but vorel is far to slow to even be considered "fun". You would get nowhere fast.
@@nicholasrolo886 there are ways to build him that are easily fast enough for commander clash. Much slower commanders have been played before.
Richard just keeps proving my weekly statement of being the player that always gets help when he asks for (and he does it a lot), but that will never move a finger for no one else if asked to, not even for the fun of the show. "I don't care about RIP" he says in game 1 when Seth asks him for help, and plays Teferi's Protection on game 2, those 2 simple things sum up pretty well the kind of player Richard is in every game. But, hey, lets keep bashing around Vince for playing azorius... because Vince is the real evil for playing cards that the rest of the group (apparently) is never prepared for, even though they should, because it's a Commander game after all, and you should have answers inside of your decks in case things like that happen.
On the other hand, gg Tomer, I personally don't like storm decks, but at least it wasn't another painful to watch moonfolk deck.
And Seth, you totally deserved that Field of Ruin, haha, I hope you are even with Tomer now, and that next time you pay attention to the real threats on the table. I know the correct land to blow out was Richard's bounce land, but I totally support Tomer's spiteful choice this time (only this time, but don't do it again, please)
As for Vince, embrace your villainous tittle, and have fun with it.
I really love the show nevertheless. Even though my constant critics look like the opposite, I like this channel more than others. Keep creating content and things for people to talk about. And sorry if my English is not perfect, my native tongue is Spanish.
Should Richard put teferis protecc on an isochron scepter donate it to Seth animate it with galvanic genius, untapped it in a mysterious way, switcherooed it to Vince, untapped it in a mysterious way and then homeward pathed it to save the whole table?
I don't get your point.
I don't understand how Tomer won with infinite mana??? He had no way of doing damage.
Rip varolz
We didn't do much...
Vince wonders why he always takes the L
Seth needs to stop lying about his prison deck. if, that strategy is fun for him, he needs to OWN IT!! BE BOLD! Trust your heart, portrayed in the cards like that other card game. You guys O.
Temple is bad in decks with low amounts of land/land synergy.
The comments need to get less butthurt about stax. Stax is sweet. Get over it.
I'm actually surprised; I haven't seen on moany
comment. Not yet anyway. There is still time.
@@PleasantKenobi but viiiiinnnnccceeee, stax is boring and uninteractive. People hate it and you smell /s
I can see why some people would get upset over it. They want to see what the other decks at the table can do so they can decide if they'd want to try one of those decks. But if the other players are cool with going up against stax then hey, fuck it. It's fun to use that kind of deck and it's fine to go against it occasionally. The only time it pisses me off is when someone brings their stax deck to every game. A stubborn stax-only player has the potential to kill EDH at game stores.