Winds of Winter Coming in 2025? - George R.R. Martin Gives an Update
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ต.ค. 2023
- George recently had a discussion with Cassandra Clare in his Jean Cocteau Theater and the topic of release dates came up for her book and George might've let slip the actual release date for Winds.
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I still remember when Preston made his game of thrones video for Season 8, Episode 6 and it ends with Winds of Winter releasing in 2023.
Back then I thought, “lol okay but it’s not gonna take THAT long to release.”
Man, I was dumb.
Wasn't he convinced at one point that both WoW and DoS were already finished but due to a contractual issue with HBO couldn't release them until the show ended?
@@EdgedShadowI never believed that, no. You have me confused with someone else.
Haha I meant Carmine@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin
@@EdgedShadowstill my thought that it was something along those lines.
Espically since they are doing prequels.
Either that.. or he has given up.. lost interest, and just can’t be stuffed, but knows he should so procrastinates hard..
Just my opinion
I honestly thought Winds would come out like 2016. There was a very convincing post on a game of Thrones reddit page, and I swear the latest prediction was like 2019, maybe even earlier.
I remember when George tried to show support for the writers strike in a twitter post and people in the comments said george has been on strike for the last ten years💀💀💀💀😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Ye
Yeah, as if anyone's going to feel sorry for George as he sleeps on piles of cash and burns piles of cash.
Do you know what The Winds of Winter is? A story we agreed to tell ourselves, over and over until we forget that it's a lie
It's absolutely certain to see Winds on the bookshelves in 2025. Just like it was in 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021....
And then when we reach 2025 He'll say "OK guys I'm like 80% there so 2026 is the year"
We certainly can't complain of having too much certainty.
“A dream of spring” is a myth at this point
It's always been a dream, because you'd have to be asleep to believe it.
Myth of Spring lol
It'll remain a dream.
The truth of the matter is HBO wanted an expanded universe, and then George had a choice to make, and he chose his six spin-off TV series over Winds. You're never getting it.
Money Money! MONEY!!!!
Eh, this was always the trajectory if you've paid attention to Martin's writing schedule.
HBO needs to but out if we want a finished series
@@HEAVYDIAPER has nothing to do with money. He knows he can write a book at his own time etc whenever he would wish, but the GOT as a TV franchise is still hot, and he has a career in TV. He wants his shows on TV, he wants to make these big, cool and epic shows. Who can blame him? In his head, he has the ending for his story. It isn't as exciting for him to write it as it is exciting for him to work on these shows, that are making his thoughts come to life.
He has more money than he could spend in his lifetime.
If an entire pandemic couldn’t give us Winds, it’s unlikely George can.
Well in the pandemic he advanced more than ever before, before pandemic he had like 300 pages with luck and then he scratched and started again (in almost 10years), along the pandemic he dedicated totally to write TWOW, and like one year later he said he was 75% done, so he made 90% of his progress in those years.
@@catalinacaro8183so we need another pandemic…
@@catalinacaro8183thats assuming everything he has said is true
@@forksssss8483 Corona virus 2 electronic boogaloo
@@catalinacaro8183yeah he also said he scraped a bunch of it too
Yeah that joke was transparent af. He really thinks he's not going to finish until 2025.
I remember on an old ASOIAF forum back in like 2007, people were bitching that the entire series won't be done until 2015. 😂
I feel like the 6th book will be George’s last. And just like how they did with the Wheel of Time, his successor will split the final book into parts (hopefully into a trilogy with a beginning, middle end). That’s the only way I can see this story having a satisfying conclusion. Expecting GRRM to be able to finish the story on his own before his passing at this point is quite naïve.
He could have 10-20 years in the tank still.
George said he doesn’t want someone else to finish the series and he doesn’t like people talking about his death
I too think it may be his last hmm...
@@wenzelplotof life but he has maybe a couple years of writing in him, we see one of the greatest modern authors basically loosing his talent right in front of our eyes
@@wenzelplotDepends, on one hand he’s 75 and the average lifespan of a male in the US is 77. He’s also not exactly in what you’d call good shape
On the other hand he is pretty rich and has access to the best healthcare in the world, so it’s kinda a toss up. Basically hope for the best but plan for the worst
Even the man who has nothing can still have _faith_
Double D here with the quote of the day
@@OfficialRedTeamReview Keep Fear to yourself: share Courage.
Faith, and particularly blind faith, is the provence of fools. If you have reliable evidence then you don't need faith. One should always apportion belief to the strength of the evidence.
Im willing to grant the likelihood that he worked on the book for some time based on his having written 5 books in the series prior but evidence for Martin having worked on TWOW beyond 2017-2019 is non-existent.
@@sypherthe297th2faith builds empires and turns poor men rich while rational nihilism destroys empires and leads the impoverished to their doom
Just release the 75% at this point… I don’t care if it ends on a bunch of cliffhangers like Dance did 😭
this
EXACTLY George should just release the first half 700 pages or so instead of the 1500 pages book which he can't seem to finish
Lol ya'll look like fiends. Why do you want half a book if he ain't finishing the series anyway?? @@matpaterson8830
I mean he's already released like 15% of the book through sample chapters 😅
i don’t think he can, the way he works on the books is terrible, he thinks of ideas for at the end of the story, and then needs to redo 200 pages to make it work, main problem is he doesn’t have an outline of what he wants to do with anything, so these new ideas come often and cause him to just keep rewriting stuff constantly and not actually progressing
I think if George didnt put a "restraint" to only make 7 books, we would have so many more books now.
Indeed 😮😮🎉
If you think about it, the Meereenese knot was never fully unraveled even with Dance getting published since Dany’s MIA and Marwyn is still en route. The threads keep coming.
Victarion is also technically en route. We only see him in winds sample chapter. Although I suppose it just wasn't included in the dance.
I can't even remember what plot threads AFFC and ADWD really tied up. I suppose the Ironborn and Euron becoming key players? The Grand Northern conspiracy being confirmed? Siege of Riverrun, I suppose, and yet the Blackfish escaped.
At this point GRRM should just release an exposition vlog of what he wanted to do for the WoW and DoS and call it a day.
George learned how to do endings from Steven King. It turns out George was the Night King all along
I'm sure George gots it. Winds probably has the biggest knot with his storylines
Jajajaja jajajaja jajajaja 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💩
If George never releases winds (or even if he does) I hope he is able to give the series off to someone he trusts to be able to conclude the story well, I still think the tv show being so bad made him give up(along with other things to) but like seeing his story just absolutely demolished and knowing if he had written winds earlier it could’ve been saved must be devastating, wasn’t he like begging them to use the dance/feast outline instead of whatever tf they did? Obviously many factors but I can’t imagine that helped very much.
Idk man I don't think GoT could have been saved by Winds being released. By the conclusion of season 5 we already have Sansa in the North instead of "Arya" which is really Jeyne Poole. Jon is stabbed for letting the wildlings through and not for trying to go south. The pink letter was way different in the books from how it was treated in the show. Mance was really dead instead of fake dead. The dorne plot was hilariously butchered. Everything with Euron couldn't have even come close to what it was supposed to be. No Victarion. None of the red priest stuff going on. Stannis was dead. Davos wasn't in white harbor, no Wyman manderly trying to get Rickon. None of the baby swap at the wall. No Dalla or Val. No Sam in Bravos. No faceless men gathering dragon lore. No marwyn the mage. It wasn't George's fault the series ended like shit. Just saying
@@MrNoble1997 no I don’t think it was either, D&D should’ve realised they were gonna be terrible at making new material up and stepped aside, but what I was saying is that I think George was probably mad that they veered so off track after season 4 and it probably hurt him a lot. I think if D&D took 2 or 3 seasons to do dance/feast correctly George would’ve been more motivated to finish it and if they took another 2 to do winds George would’ve possibly had the time to do dream, now I may be completely wrong as I’m newer to the ASOIF community and George was already slowing down on the books but I think it would’ve helped atleast 🤷♂️
@@jayk8756 honestly D&D straying off from the source material was Georges fault though. When they relaised that he has done Nothing in 4 Years! (Middle of Production of Season 4) they needed to cut a lot of things to be able to finish it. Even if what they did was terrible they did atleast atempt it. Imagine if they did what you said and made lets say 9 Seasons. They would split Season 5 into 2 Seasons (More is not possible) and would have to invent extra Plot for some of the Main characters (If they just did a quarter of a season on dorne and one on briene they would have gotten much more bad reviews than even season 8 did) and then they would have an overblown plot that they cant resolve. So season 6 would have been the quality of season 8. I rather have what they did with 4 perfect seasons, one decent and one mediocre and the rest bad instead of having an even more rushed ending.
He said he wouldn't let anyone complete it for him, but maybe he changes his mind
Having shit loads of money made him give up. Rich people lose the drive that being broke gives you.He is the Conor McGregor of the writing world. Works like a dog to get to the elite circle, blasts to fame and exorbitant fortune, barely tries after he hits the big bucks. Keep these fuckers poor until they are finished.
Honestly, at this point I’d be happy if he just released what he has done.
so 12 pages?
@@nakki12375% mate not exactly 12 pages
Not even 12 pages. He's still trying to cut the Meerense knot. At least we'll see ADWD Part Two in 2050.
As ridiculous as these videos are, I always click them
'Winds of Winter coming 2014!'
'Winds of Winter coming 2016!'
'Winds of Winter coming 2019!'
'Winds of Winter coming 2023!'
'Winds of Winter coming 2025!'
'Winds of Winter by Brandson Sanderson coming 2028!'
i'll take it
It's been quite obvious for over 5 years now that he has no intention of ever writing that book and that series is never going to get finished. It would not upset me as much if he wasn't constantly trash talking his own fans and lying over and over again to us about how close he is to finishing the book. The damn thing's been halfway finished for over 10 years if you believe what he says. Him and Patrick Rothfuss can both go bob my knob.
He'll gladly bob your knob...assuming he gets to actually doing it :p
So glad I'm not this kind of fan. lol
I told my friends "the next book will never be released" in 2011 just to troll them and see their faces ❤
Lol 😂 the ultimate troll of all time its actually depressing 😔😭
Want to do away with disappointments? Abandon expectations.
I live my whole life this way.
On a serious note, he just sounded so depressed and defeated trying to be light hearted about the whole thing.
He knows he’s never releasing it, and most of us know it too, but he doesn’t want to definitively say it’s never coming out so he’s stuck with having no passion for finishing it and millions rabidly hungry for the ending.
It’s a problem of his own making and yet I feel for him in the hole he’s dug for himself. ://
Not many rabidly hungry fans left. Mostly just chronicly online autists. The pressure has gone down MASSIVELY for him since GoT killed the enjoyment for millions of fans.
Wrong
On a serious note…..wrong.
@@kaiden247 In regards to what? 😂
He sounded depressed and defeated because he realised the jig is actually up and not even the most optimistic fans will believe him. He doesn't actually care about not finishing it, he just cares about him not being able to continue to lie.
People asking George where winds is isn’t pestering. It’s his magnum opus, he’s 75 years old and has two books left. He’s also too preoccupied with relishing in his fame.
George was on an episode of wait wait don't tell me in like 2013 and the host was reading questions submitted in advance and mentioned the most submitted question was "why aren't you writing"
That's just soooo rude. No wonder he's frustrated with fans.
@@teenprez fans have a right to be frustrated too, but this has been George's life literally since storm was released. It's almost better if he just walks away, does something else for a while, comes back when he's ready (I know age is against him at this point)
@@Firmth Age AND his constant state of not being healthy for the past (idk) 10-15 years? Just look at the guy. I am amazed he even got that old to begin with with what he weighs.
“Every joke has a little bit of truth”
The sad thing is that even if winds is released, It would still probably take AT LEAST another 3 books to finish the series.
So since George has "finished" 75% of WOW, what do you guys think the progress on the different plot points from the wall to old town, from kings landing to the dothraki see has been? Interesting video idea.
Probably 76%
The problem imo, is that the 75% done mark needs a giant asterisk. If George writes another 100 pages, he may need to retrace over that initial 75% several times.
His Sharknado cameo was a 10/10 though.
Too damn funny
He did wrapped up half of the book in Storm of Swords tho. It's certainly possible to do again.
Take for example Dany. People often say that's she'll only arrive to Westeros at the end of TWOW but how many chapters does she *really* needs?
1 or 2 for Vaes Dothrak
1 for wrapping up Meereen
1 for burning Volantis
1 maybe for a stop on Stepstones if Aurane Waters theory is true
1 for burning Pentos
That's 4-6, shared with Tyrion and maybe Vic/Barristan if they survive. Given how Dany and Tyrion got 20 chapters last time, that's still like 10-12 for the Second Dance and it's only from Dany's side.
Jon had 12 in ASOS and it had covered:
- Him falling in love with Ygritte in a believable way
- Him killing Ygritte
- Resolving wildling situation
- Stannis doing wild shit with pizzaz
So it's certainly doable for him to wrap things up within two books. He just needs to stop spliting povs and keep them together. Here's where i disagree with Preston about cutting out Tyrion. Tyrion is good. He is in Meereen. He'll cover Meereen, and follow Dany and weave his chapters with hers so we get entire Dance in TWOW. He already served as a narration tool for entire Stannis-Lannisters beef in ACOK. Without him, we would have 20 chapters of Dany, which is like the worst case scenario. Plus, not every story needs to be continued. As much as i love Preston's Winds, i think he himself is making the mistake he accuses Martin of. We don't need Hotah to have actual character development for 3+ chapters. We don't need Quentyn to survive and return to accuse Doran of sending him into war. That's 5 or more chapters spent on something that Martin could resolve with two sentences in someone else's PoV. That's two and a half Tyrion Trials worth of chapters. Almost half of Jon's story in ASOS. 2/3 of Robb's ASOS arc. These 5+ chapters is a lot, and Martin can just choose not to do it.
If Dany spends only 1 chapter in mereen, she’ll have to leave the city in flames. I couldn’t believe she just kills some masters and slavery is successfully ended.
You: Stannis doing wild shit with Pizzaz
Me: wat?
100%
Absolutely right except for the fact that he isn't even trying to write this book.
More like 3-4 for the Dothraki (there’s a lot of traveling there), 2-3 for Meereen, 1 for travel, 2 for Volantis, 1 more for travel, and 1 for Pentos.
🎶 _And we are never, ever, ever,_
_Getting Winds of Winterrr!_ 🎶
I’m like 100% sure that George had a cameo in Blue Beetle this summer too.
Carmine’s about to be furious.
Imagine if Return of the King never released lol
im at the point where i don’t even know if i’ll read it when it eventually comes out. i was 14 years old when i finished dance, im 24 now. my life has changed so much and george clearly doesn’t care about having me continue to care about his world. people don’t want to blame him but at the end of the day it is his fault, if you really want something done you get it done. the ending of game of thrones of george’s fault, the fan backlash is george’s fault, the long wait is only george’s fault. he spent years and years basically writing nothing while saying he was working year after year, lying to consumers and fans alike. I was a kid and fell in love with ASOIAF, i was on the forums arguing constantly over the rightful king stan is. Stannis has been in a snowstorm for 12 years . jon snow been lying dead on ice for 12 years. I’m a grown man now. George doesn’t care , and why should we anymore. When you WANT something done , something you know will determine your legacy for years to come, you WORK at it non-stop until you reach your goal and make something of yourself. George hit it big and simply doesn’t care about us book fans anymore, selling out to hollywood was much more fabulous, and he’s in a higher class than us readers now looking down with his millions bitching about his book fans who made him famous asking where the fuck the story is. he doesn’t care. why do you? maybe i’ll read it when it comes out, but how old will i be then, 27? 30? i’ll have children and a lot more things to worry about. Thank you george. i was. childhood die hard fan, you inspired me to write my first stories. but now we nothing to you, cause the machine got him and he’s full hollywood bait. Then we compare this man to Tolkien who actually had values and didn’t sell his soul for money at any point in his career, a man of principle. im re-reading lotr right now and it’s amazing with deep themes and a COMPLETE story .
Bro wrote more in this comment than George has prolly written this year
George might complain about Aragon´s lack of tax system. But at the end of the day Tolkien gave us a completed story, while George did not.
It really feels like ASOIAF it's gonna become the Berserk of fantasy sagas.
I don’t expect anything. With Dance, he said in Feast that he had much of the material for Dance already completed.
It took another 6 years!
And Feast took 5 years. Before that it was what? A book every other year?
Of course I understand that back during the development for Dance he was signing contracts and helping to get season 1 of GoT ready for HBO. But now for Winds? He does not have much of an excuse except for his wanting to do other things.
GRRM is a perfectionist that is writing a massive climax involving hundreds of characters + POV at double to triple the scale of its other books. Just the task ahead alone must be depressing and then the pressure.
No wonder hes been writing a crap ton of other things.
I feel that GRRM backed himself into a corner by setting a limit of 7 books. If he said 8 or 9 maybe he’s find it easier to write?
Doesn't the inability to plan and execute a succinct ending exemplify the fact that, after all of the flowery prose he's an inadequate writer?
I don't think he would ultimately limit himself this much. After all, that's one of the main problems he had with the show wrapping up this quickly. I think he knows that everybody knows that even if he were to publicly say that he would aim for finishing in 10 books, nobody would even care because we can be pretty sure to never actually see even book 8.
I would argue that it's a combination of 1. setting up TOO many plots with too many characters and now that he's old, he just can't wrap his head around it and can't be bothered to work it out, 2. constantly arguing with himself over how he deals with the shitty hand the show has dealt him and 3. he just lost all interest because he (over the years) only cared more and more for the money and not the work itself.
Why else release Re-Releases and 'Short Stories' like 'Dunk and Egg' where he has to either write nothing new at all or just has to outline the plot and a couple of important scenes for the ghost writers?
It was originally a trilogy, so…..
I’m fine with where the story is at if we never get the last two books.
Jon is dead. Dany is shitting her pants somewhere and my boy young Griff is taking over the Stormlands.
There’s no better way to end things and Martin knows that.
And Jon Con is about to wipe out a portion of a continent
Stannis the Mannis about to Night Lamp the Boltons into submission
I’ve been saying for years when Winds comes out it’s gonna be 2000 pages and like one thing will happen to each character. Dany will do the Dothraki sea stuff and be end returning to Meereen, Jon will get resurrected and then mull about it for awhile. The battle of Ice will happen and then it will end on another cliff hanger either with what happens between Stannis and Roose in the aftermath. Brienne and Jamie will do something with the brotherhood and escape, and Arrianne will have like one convo with Fagon and then the book will end and we will all be like 🤦♂️
I think GRRMs tone and just overall attitude towards winds says he genuinely isn’t in it for the fans. Not saying that’s a good or bad thing just an observation.
I've always felt even though fans are the reason for why an IP can breakthrough, I can't blame George for not wanting to do it for the fans since the thousands of theories (besides the ending of the show) have created a galaxy of expectations for that book.
Maybe he's just finding it difficult to finish the story he's been wanting to tell with all of those expectations (not an excuse but that may be the reason).
@@alancastillo7932 Personally I’d assume it’s not anyone thing. But I do think before the show he was doing alright financially but after he sold the rights to HBO and the success of GoT he made so much money he doesn’t have to work. Most people that don’t have to work…don’t.
@@danielbasich2729 Maybe, but if he's involved in so many projects it means he does attend meetings and is involved in the management and consulting side of them, it's not like he stopped working. But, it also means he's not giving that much time to his writing.
@@alancastillo7932 totally, and you’re right he is still working. I think you nailed it he does seem to do a bit of consultant work. Consulting is mostly for people who want to work less. He works but I’m sure it’s not 40-50 hours a week. I’m not even sure how consistently he’s working. It’s entirely possible he has weeks off at a time.
Of course, good writers are focused on creating a good story, not on pleasing fans. He's not a business trying to fit a product to a target market.
Oh hes definitely joking, he really means 2035
At this point I root for Preston Jacob’s fanfiction
On that note you said about his style commonly consisting of very quick endings to very rapidly expanding books. Perhaps GRRM's style has the focus of ending things in one fell swoop - almost like he sets up all the pieces and then it does the rest for him in one motion like gravity. Perhaps he's struggling with the Winds of Winter and subsequently the end of the series is because he's still in that creative mindset that the story has to all tie up and end in a flourish. That sort of ending is damn near impossible to do with all of the plots, characters, details, themes, etc. Maybe what he needs to hear is that it's okay if the ending is stretched out and takes time. For a story like ASOIAF I almost feel like that's a pace to an ending we might prefer in the long run. Hell, the Lord of the Rings had like 5 endings until the story finally ends.
I remember a while back when George gave an update about a bunch of other random Asoiaf books coming out before Winds. Some Tyrion quote book and other nonsense. Something to appease his publisher. Did those even come out yet?
At this point George is simply disrespectful
"Haha it's only been 12 years guys, stop bullying me about it"
I wish Glidus posted this much
I think the fact that other GoT type stuff has come out in between makes it 10x worse. Like, you have time to write an entire Targaryen history book and Dunk & Egg stories, but everyone is still waiting for WoW. I wonder how many fans have died in those 12-13 years (I know that sounds ridiculous, but it's kind of not)? That's 3 rounds of US high school. That's such a long time.
25% of 12 years is 3 years, so we have 3 years to go minimum from when GRRM made that “75% done” comment
Except the last 25% always takes the longest 🙃
@@TheRoark it's a lot easier to start a novel than finish one lol
He made that comment in the summer of 2022, so that would make the release date 2025. You're miscalculating though: if he wrote 3/4 of the book in 12 years, that means the total time it'll take him to write the book is 16 years, meaning the release date will be 2026. But we know a portion of what will be in Winds had already been written and cut out of Dance, going up to perhaps 25% of the book. That would mean it took him 12 years to write half a book, so it'll take 6 more years to write the final quarter, pushing the release date to 2028.
I think the fans are going to have to accept the fact that Martin will die of old age before he can finish the series. Heck, they are lucky if they are going to get even one more book out of him. It's sad and also strange, like, he must be aware that he has written an immensely popular and successful series, and yet he sounds surprised when his readers are eager for the next part?
Considering if Martin had worked everyday on his book "The Winds of Winter". All he would have to have done was write down exactly the number of words in this entire comment. Considering that his longest book had 414,788 words and it's been 4,290 days since he released "A Dance with Dragons" that would have come up with 92 words a day. I think everything including planning this comment and doing the research and the math only took about three to four minutes, I'm sure that twenty minutes a day would suffice.
12:35 when your wife literally wrote Sailor Moon, I think you can trust her to help write your manga
I was 9 years old when the last book came out... I am now 21 bordering on 22.
TIME TRAVEL
@@roguecrow998 huh?
I really thought for a second that you were gonna say “my brother in Christ, have your assistants do it for you. Have your assistants wipe your ass!”
Cassandra is such a sweet lady, God bless her
in 2014, he stated that he is just months away. He was lying.
Nope, nobody should stop pestering him about it, he threw himself in other projects before finishing a thing that got him famous, so its just proved to us that he sold out
Well it sounds like it certainly isn't close to being released.
Does anyone know how long the 'post production' would take with a completed manuscript of its size? Editing and publishing etc.
Well that entirely depends on the length doesnt it, of its a 1-200 page leaflet, probably not very long, if its a weighty tome of 600 page or more, longer.
@@tickledeggz Why would the Winds of Winter be a 1-200 page leaflet?
Obviously it’s going to be at least 1000 pages. Think before you make another useless reply
@@tickledeggz George Martin himself said a few months ago he already has like 1,100(or 1,200) pages written and he plans on writing 1,500 to 1,700 pages for the final thing. He also said he could write upward of 2,000 pages before he cuts down to the 1,500 to 1,700 pages he wants.
This is also why author - James Patterson recommended to George Martin (around the same time a few months ago I believe) to split the book into 2 or 3 parts and make everyone happy.
James Patterson said if George splits winds of winter in 2 parts it would fix his problems and work with the fans because each book part would be around 700-800 pages each(the same size as the previous books) and people could get part 1 now so they stop complaining and can read and enjoy the new book while George takes his time to finish part 2, and George will have even more time if he decides that he needs to do a part 3.
George already has written 1,100 pages so far, so he has enough winds written already for a 700-800 page part 1 book, and he would be half way through part 2 (which people wouldn't mind waiting for if they have part 1 to read while waiting).
One thing I kinda disagree with preston on is that he didnt write that much between 2011 and 2020. I think he wrote quite a bit but scrapped and re- wrote it all and that was alot of the 2020 writing.
If Winds of Winter ever comes out something big needs to happen and it just show how things are lining up for the final play in Dream of Spring (which will never happen). If Martin wastes yet another book on world building and expanding characters then I feel like the fandom is just going to give up on him.
I’ve reached the “ Oh shut up George” stage. We know he’s never going to release it, for whatever his real reason is.
Guys... It's never being released.
It's sad, really. Not for the fans. Well, maybe for the fans, too. But it's sad for George. He had a chance at being "the American Tolkien". He would have been remembered as, not just one of the best fantasy authors of all time, but one the greatest authors of all time. Now, he will only be remembered as a lesson in first year English literature classes for why using outlines is important.
So sad.
He already is one of the best. Better than Tolkien.
@@EresirThe1st good stories, like Tolkien's, have conclusions
It’s Schrödinger’ book. It’s both released and not released depending on who’s defending which side
2025 would be really optimistic to get Winds of Winter
My guess is 2027 at earliest
12 years waiting pestering him is warranted also not caring anymore is also warranted.
George seems to think he will live forever to not work on his book.
Bro, I'd be stoked if we could look ahead and see that WOW dropped in 2025, heck I'd be excited if it dropped in 2030... the truth sadly is chances are we won't ever get winds, and theres absolutely no chance we get dream of spring, he's clearly not motivated to write a story that's already been televised, when creating television imo has always been what he cares about, he started as a screen writer, you can find all sorts of interviews where he says the biggest thing you can get from writing a book is a movie or series adaptation, he knocks out books like fire and blood and the hedge knight novellas as soon as he needs something to be adapted, he produces all sorts of series outside of a song of ice and fire, I mean he shows us what he cares about all the time, and writing books to complete a series that's already been the biggest show in the world and isn't contributing to him getting another show, I just don't think he's motivated to do that...
Thinking about George's other work and fast endings. Especially how the ending of Dying of the Light comes together.
I think there will be a sort of almost accidental coming together of a few key characters at the end. They will discuss how they will hope to win against the dark. Nothing will be certain though. Whoever the hero will be, will make one desperate attempt to solve the problem, and we are left unsure if it actually worked. Meanwhile all our other surviving characters will escape and are hopefully alive afterwards.
This is the type of ending Dying of the Light has. But it's not certain asoiaf will have that same ending. In Dying of the Light the Littlefinger character commits suicide after he sees that his schemes did not work. Nobody "gets him" or punishes him. He is a victim of his own despair and manipulations. The Hero goes to face off his enemy, who represents death, but we are unsure if he survives his fight or the aftermath. He just buys the other characters time to possibly escape.
In the end, we won't be sure if the disaster is averted or if we even have any survivors. I do hope the ending won't be about politics in the end as it was in the Show. I hope the end of the books is about the others and the problems they cause. I'd like some characters with huge beefs with eachother to survive and talk about how life is better than holding onto our past grudges. For this reason I hope at least Jaime or Cersei lives, because those are some of the most unforgivable characters.
I hope George lives enough to finish it though.
I hereby dub George R.R. Martin, the Old Windbag. If anyone should be called the American Tolkien it's Tad Williams? Why? Two reasons: 1, his Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn fantasy trilogy influenced many writers like Christopher Paolini, Patrick Rothfuss, and even inspired George to write A Song of Ice and Fire in the first place. He even said so himself, "Inspired me to write my own seven-book trilogy" which you can find on the cover of the first book, The Dragonbone Chair, and two, he's expanded on his own fantasy world of Osten Ard (the setting of Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn) and the final book in the sequel tetralogy The Last King of Osten Ard, titled The Navigator's Children, comes out this November and it's confirmed. For Osten Ard, Williams has six titles, 3 for MS&T, 1 bridge novella between it and the sequel tetralogy, 3 published novels for The Last King of Osten Ard, one prequel novel to the whole thing and another coming out this year the same as the final book in The Last King of Osten Ard. I haven't even talked about Tad's other books like the Otherland Tetralogy, Shadowmarch Tetralogy, the Bobby Dollar Trilogy and so on.
He’s stated that he’s up to 1500 pages so far.
War and FKN PEACE was only 1300 pages. There’s absolutely NO REASON that he couldn’t put a pin in it and release what he has finished. It’s NOT THE FINAL BOOK! So add whatever the fk chapter he’s stuck on to the NEXT BOOK- as if.
He’s a dk. He used to wait on comic books- he KNOWS he’s screwing over his readers and his response is to not pester him??? He had an entire year stuck in the house and didn’t get it done. He’s not Michelangelo-it’s a FANTASY! Kill mfers off and get on with the key characters. He’s making DnD look smart.
It’s dangerous to raise my expectations of these novels but I hope George splits winds into two books part 1 + 2 and releases them together
‘Where’s WoW’ isn’t a joke
It’s a call to action
Martin deserves every bit of pestering he gets
He goes to every distraction that he comes across- every comic con, every interview, takes on every side project.
There is a contract between the author and the reader that if you pick up a book in a series- that the author will finish it at some point.
Whatever happens with WoW, we are never getting DoS.
I regret ever reading this series- because now, along with myself, every reader will sit on an eternal cliffhanger.
do you guys have a podcast?
Hey @PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin Do you think you and your fan fiction editors will in the end have the same problems like George ending asoiaf or do you already know where everything will come together in A Dream of Spring - FanFiction?
Winds of Winter has reached Half Life 3 status.
I would be fairly happy with 2025 at this point
1:00 I do love the author defending a 2025 release date 😂 it really puts into prospective how severely F*ck we all truly are lol
He forgot a zero between 20 and 25
Winds by 2025?
I bet you believe there’s lemon trees in Braavos too.
just noticed u can see the likes go up while watching the video!
Wow, the first book of the series is going to turn 30 in two years... and George is going to be 76 in September.
At this stage I think we would be way better just getting some AI app to complete the books....
My question is: Does another author finish it after he passes? Or does the series die with him?
Not to sounds grim but let’s be realistic here fellas
Stop pestering him but keep pestering hahhaha you guys crack me up
It's always: [ THIS YEAR ] + 2
So GTA 6 and Winds of Winter in the same year? Yeah, that sounds way too good to be true.
I do believe we'll get Winds of Winter eventually, and that it'll be worth the wait. But to be honest, I doubt we'll ever see A Dream of Spring
I would like to think he’s as smart as his story. He’s just leading us on and gonna release both within a year. One can only hope tho :/
Any sympathy I had for him being “pestered” about winds dried up long ago, sorry George this is what happens when you let your fans down and refuse to give consistent updates on progress
yeah right
I have written more work emails than GRRM has written pages in WoW in the last two years...
Good for you!
I honestly think that ANYone that has to write work emails has written more lines than George for WoW. But that's just my sceptic mindset.
LMAO, GRRM will never finish TWoW. He just doesn't care
And, at this point, I'm starting to ask myself if I care..
Let this be a lesson to all. Never buy a single book of a series, unless the author finished the entire thing. I gave up on George. I will only believe it when I see it.
There's a reason why "there is truth in jest" is a saying.
I've seen this one, I've seen this one. This is a classic!
I bet in the prime timeline myself is wondering what kind of videos GoT creators would have been realizing if Winds came out late and I am the unsightly spawn of that stray what-if thought
People lile Jordan also left extensive notes behind and at least didn't actively come out against the possibility of someone else finishing their work.
It’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion. If he doesn’t finish the series in the next 10 years or so it’ll never be finished by George.
It's gonna wrap like the last Quentyn chapter.
"You don't have to pester me about it"
Idk George kinda feels like we do need to pester you about it brother
Of course, there is no way the book will be out 15 months from now.
Is the thumbnail on the left supposed to be the Pokemon Haunter?