George R.R. Martin Regrets Killing a Character Off

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  • @QuinnTheGM
    @QuinnTheGM ปีที่แล้ว +1178

    My thought is that it has to be Aemon. He could be the point of connection between Jon and Dany, or at least serve as a way of alerting the latter to the former's presence. Plus he's got knowledge of SO much history, including whatever prophecy stuff Rhaegar might've been up to.

    • @PumpkinBreath
      @PumpkinBreath ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Been catching your recent live streams and videos. Keep up the good work.

    • @Swimmaroo
      @Swimmaroo ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I wonder if drinking the rum he's stored in could be a exposition stand in much like shade of the evening

    • @AS-fi7hc
      @AS-fi7hc ปีที่แล้ว +70

      I agree! I understand why people think it’s Kevin but i think his death is pretty satisfying (or at least thematically strong) and opens up a lot of possibilities (chaos in KL) but Aemon’s really only closes doors imo. His death is really anticlimactic, which may be the point, but it still means zooming out and looking at everything he did in the past 5 books it feels like he wasn’t nearly as important as he should have been. Plus as Preston spoke about GRRM has no way of walking that death back.

    • @agustinferrero1955
      @agustinferrero1955 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      But what can Aemon do or say that Marwin, Bloodraven, Bran, or others can't? Narratively speaking, Aemon is dispensable

    • @lonemotheo1964
      @lonemotheo1964 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I mean Aemon could come back his corpse was stuffed in a barrel of rum on the same ship Marwin is using to head to Dany where Mocorro is also going to be

  • @Buford_T_Justice1
    @Buford_T_Justice1 ปีที่แล้ว +1671

    It’s pretty obvious GRRM regrets killing Janos Slynt.
    Why?
    Because Janos Slynt had friends at court. POWERFUL FRIENDS!

    • @PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin
      @PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin  ปีที่แล้ว +435

      True ending of ASoIaF: Bran made king.....immediately killed by Gold Cloaks as revenge for Jon's actions.

    • @GodKingReiss
      @GodKingReiss ปีที่แล้ว +85

      If all of Janos Slynt’s powerful friends at court arrived at the Wall to avenge him right as the Others broke through, the War for the Dawn would be over in a day.

    • @j-rey-
      @j-rey- ปีที่แล้ว +50

      @@GodKingReiss It's pretty well established that Allar Deem is Azor Ahai

    • @CharlieWilson2345
      @CharlieWilson2345 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      BRO 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @jakub_paints6775
      @jakub_paints6775 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      The king himself made him a lord!

  • @PineappleLiar
    @PineappleLiar ปีที่แล้ว +621

    Killing Kevan essentially makes the next two weeks extremely hard for Cersei to survive with any power intact, and would require a level of manipulation to maintain that she simply does not have. For me I imagine most paths lead to either ‘exile to a convent’ or ‘exile back to Casterly Rock’, *at best*. They could also just kill her; it depends on how quickly the religious zealotry is kicking in in the city.

    • @j-rey-
      @j-rey- ปีที่แล้ว +85

      That's a good point. I was worried that Kevan's and Pycelle's deaths would allow Cersei to regain power, but now that I think about it, why would Mace Tyrell, Randyll Tarly, the Sparrows, her handmaidens (babysitters), etc., let her anywhere near power? People have been trying to get Cersei to Casterly Rock since Robert died, and now Jaime isn't there to help her. I can't think of a single ally she has except the fallen Qyburn and Robert Strong.

    • @Phil_Burton
      @Phil_Burton ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Also thought Kevan for these reasons. Also why should Mace and Randyll bother to make Maegery have a trial now? With Kevan alive he could insist but Mace is now de facto leader of the country and has a large army at Kingslanding so he can do whatever he wants, including getting rid of the High Sparrow.

    • @PineappleLiar
      @PineappleLiar ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@Phil_Burton I’d say the Tyrells removing the church from the equation is a very likely occurrence, but attempting to do so as early as Margaery’s trial may be risky. Currently the two groups have a shared goal in removing the Lannisters and taking power, and the Church’s judgement needs to have weight in order for that to work. The goal may be to play along until Cersei is truly gone, then remove the radical faction with their army (it’s all very rock-paper-scissors, in that way).
      This is all assuming that nothing bad happens to pull the Tyrell armies away from Kings Landing, of course. Like the Golden Company landing in Storm’s End. Or Euron Greyjoy’s massive raiding fleets. Or Stannis’ newly Iron Bank funded army in the North. Or whatever the fuck is going on in the Riverlands. Or-

    • @Phil_Burton
      @Phil_Burton ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@PineappleLiar I think the key part here is in the epilogue where Mace questions even having the trial and Randyll complains it's ridiculous they have to take the High Sparrow seriously. Anyway I can totally see how killing Kevan makes some real narrative problems for the crucial week or two that starts right after Dance ends.

    • @kennyhudson9201
      @kennyhudson9201 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      So what you are saying is that it will be super easy, barely an inconvenience.

  • @redo348
    @redo348 ปีที่แล้ว +498

    Checked his notes and realised Pycelle was supposed to be Azor Ahai

    • @MrMustache-yn4zm
      @MrMustache-yn4zm 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      You mean Samwell?

    • @benedictjephcote6815
      @benedictjephcote6815 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😅

    • @YungKilogram
      @YungKilogram 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Can't wait for Tom bombadil to be the chosen one

    • @DRourkey
      @DRourkey 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Varys, the sterile dragon

    • @liszt646
      @liszt646 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "My lord ah awoo aha ah ahwoo"

  • @pieceofgosa
    @pieceofgosa ปีที่แล้ว +672

    In the interest of fairness it should be noted that the big knock against it being Kevan is that causing political chaos in King's Landing was the literal reason Varys killed him. It would be mad if George was like "I'm gonna kill Kevan to create political chaos in KL" then a couple years later he's like "oh no !! I created political chaos in KL by killing Kevan Lannister".

    • @robertlowe6367
      @robertlowe6367 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      It could be that was what George wanted to write but once it became time to actually write it he got stuck.

    • @pieceofgosa
      @pieceofgosa ปีที่แล้ว +52

      @@robertlowe6367 Totally plausible. I am, however, beginning to suspect the person he killed might be from further back in the story & that's why he's stuck. That one death could have had knock on effects that have left him, as he said, painted into a corner and the longer it's been since it happened, the harder it would be to untangle.

    • @BenJover
      @BenJover ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@pieceofgosa Are you talking about Lommy greenhands?

    • @pieceofgosa
      @pieceofgosa ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@RandomGuy-qg9xf anything they could impart by way of exposition could simply be found in some mysterious old book at the Citadel, or in a hidden letter written before a characters death. It cannot just be an exposition thing. I think it's more likely he accidentally killed the last heir to something/somewhere & now he really needs an heir for that thing.

    • @pieceofgosa
      @pieceofgosa ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@BenJover Obviously I was talking about Nimble Dick :D

  • @TheNobleStar9075
    @TheNobleStar9075 ปีที่แล้ว +373

    I believe GRRM said in an update from last year that he had finally finished a clutch of Cersei chapters that was giving him trouble, so that might give credence to the character being related to the Cersei story

    • @Wolltazar
      @Wolltazar ปีที่แล้ว +31

      if that is true, then good for us, it could end up being way better than he's originally planned. or not and we can be just glad George's written himself out of one of the corners he got himself into

    • @evoxghiretti
      @evoxghiretti ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Wasn't there sometime ago he said he regrets killing Robb Stark because he could have been a great POV character?

    • @custodioMendoza55
      @custodioMendoza55 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      ​@@evoxghirettiI remember something similar, but I think it was never giving Robb any POV chapters before killing him. The Red Wedding is way too central to the story so I don't think he could have kept Robb alive

    • @evoxghiretti
      @evoxghiretti ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm still a believer that Grey Wind is alive and Robb warged into him. Copium is at it's highest in my presence.@@custodioMendoza55

    • @whitedragoness23
      @whitedragoness23 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@custodioMendoza55I assumed killing rob meant he wasn’t the last one standing.

  • @JamesCourse66
    @JamesCourse66 ปีที่แล้ว +171

    I was really shocked by Kevan’s death, and actually saddened. He was one of my favourite tertiary characters in the books because he has the Lannister name, the intelligence, but is also kind and sensitive.

    • @lukemitchell8182
      @lukemitchell8182 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      It was 100% Kevan he regretted killing

    • @woodyhorton8537
      @woodyhorton8537 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      He's not really kind. He did whatever messed up thing tywin told him to do and worshipped him basically. He's more neutral than anything

    • @JamesCourse66
      @JamesCourse66 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@woodyhorton8537 He followed a strong leader, but wherever he could he was kind and reasonable. And we don’t have much on what cruelty Kevan actually ordered himself- to my knowledge he doesn’t seem like he ever gave a cruel order himself, he may have only spoke what his lord ordered. To me serving your lord faithfully doesn’t change your morality much.

    • @lukasmadrid1945
      @lukasmadrid1945 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@JamesCourse66what if your lord/brother were the nazis and ordered kevan to exterminate a race of people. Of course it effects if your a good person or not, it doesn't matter the reason thousands are dead w/ the help of kevan. Specifically the riverlands have been warcrimed to hell

    • @will2brown50
      @will2brown50 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@JamesCourse66"They will burn my lord" - Kevan after being told to set fire to the riverlands. The way he said it and the tone of that bit implies he takes some degree of satisfaction in the action imo. That being said i did like Kevan.

  • @AndrogynousRatCatcher
    @AndrogynousRatCatcher ปีที่แล้ว +443

    If George is in a corner, because Varys killed Kevan, causing political chaos, does that mean that Varys outsmarted George. That's really meta

    • @persephone342
      @persephone342 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      That is meta! 😂

    • @kippersthrone
      @kippersthrone 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Frankenstein’s monster 😂

  • @TheYrrp
    @TheYrrp ปีที่แล้ว +101

    Kevan is easy to write around. Do a 2 week time skip for Gemma to arrive and say that the High Sparrow granted Tommen’s request to delay the trial 7 days after the funeral and the funeral is delayed for Gemma and other Lannisters to arrive.

    • @williamcobbett4943
      @williamcobbett4943 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      She would be at the wedding though, surely ? About to get stonehearted

    • @scummyfish
      @scummyfish ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@williamcobbett4943 If she hears that Kevan just died, she might go to KL. But that would kinda be out of character, because she seems to value safety over political power.

  • @jeffreyjbyron
    @jeffreyjbyron ปีที่แล้ว +66

    With Kevan dead, Cersei basically is going to go nuts trying to gain control while Tyrells and the Faith battle for power. Tommen will choose Mace as hand and it won't be that hard for GRRM. If Genna shows up it will be fascinating, because despite having some Lannister fire, she's a grieving mother with honest ambitions. I'd love to see Olenna and Genna meet.

    • @bernhard7087
      @bernhard7087 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mace is already Hand, Kevan was Lord Regent.

  • @ragyrge
    @ragyrge ปีที่แล้ว +218

    The character almost has to be Aemon. He could easily have had some Summerhall knowledge that would be hard to give to other characters. He's also the last character that could bring forth any Targaryen secret knowledge passed down only to family members, since Viserys was orphaned so young (and would probably be reluctant to share anything with his sister anyways). His death is also quite random, not serving any grand purpose in the narrative, it would be quite easy to regret letting go of the character so soon, as his death could have been postponed without much of an issue.

    • @sicksock435446
      @sicksock435446 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Pretty easy to do with hidden journals at the wall written while he was there.

    • @TheDelinear
      @TheDelinear ปีที่แล้ว +28

      This feels like a fan answer more than a George answer, as in, we would have loved to learn all of Aemon's secrets, but that's not really how George writes. He's more likely to reveal bits and pieces, and he can quite easily still do that in any number of ways - Sam recounting something he once said, hidden papers, time traveling Bran or someone else sending things in dreams. I feel like the answer has to be based on something the person can do rather than something they knew, which is why I lean toward Kevan, since he was in a position of power in a pivotal place and time in the story.

    • @sicksock435446
      @sicksock435446 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      ​@@TheDelinear Fair enough. I mean if its up to George then he'll have 5 different characters bring it up independently over the course of 500000 words. XD
      My friend and I have a joke where we randomly ask "Do you know the story of the tournament at Harrenhall in the year of the false spring?" Due to the number of times it's discussed/referenced in the books.

    • @Borgcow
      @Borgcow ปีที่แล้ว

      But Aemon was literally getting his brain invaded by Marwyn and the Sphinx, so I feel like if we’re just talking about Aemon’s knowledge then we don’t really have an issue here, we can get that from a number of places. None of these deaths seem like big hurdles to me

    • @faegotte
      @faegotte ปีที่แล้ว

      selmy and connington would work in aemon's place

  • @HigrationsMintergrund420
    @HigrationsMintergrund420 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    To be fair, killing Kevan was one of the most unexpected things to happen at the end of book 5. George wanted to shock us and he succeeded big time. I remember reading it in 2013 and being like nice the next book will be coming soon. Oh wait...

    • @MiddleEarthGirl75
      @MiddleEarthGirl75 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      So he might have shocked himself as well, lol

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@MiddleEarthGirl75
      It was nice to have Varys come back with a bang but Kevan was taken from us too soon.

  • @corbinskywalker
    @corbinskywalker ปีที่แล้ว +188

    GRRM REGRETS IT ALL

    • @allthe1
      @allthe1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lemongate is real

    • @willisverynice
      @willisverynice ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Shoulda stuck with the trippy ass sci fi stories.

    • @danielallen4450
      @danielallen4450 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ​@@willisveryniceyeah, honestly, probably should have. Personally, even though we don't talk about it, because the drop off for the show was so much worse, there has been a dip in quality from the first three books, at least in my opinion

    • @Kunumbah1
      @Kunumbah1 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      He regrets the millions upon millions of dollars

    • @danielallen4450
      @danielallen4450 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Kunumbah1 🤣 nice call

  • @damienledfurd
    @damienledfurd ปีที่แล้ว +173

    Chad Summerchild regrets nothing

  • @kongming7684
    @kongming7684 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    I think it has to be a recent death to be able to delay winds. If it's a character who died in the earlier books , George would have had 20 years to find a solution. And IMHO it's the most recent major death in the story:Kevan.
    He was the last person able to hold Cersei back from going full Mad Queen. The cross bow is an easy way to frame Tyrion, confirming Cersei's paranoia and sending her down the path of madness too early in the story. Perhaps George may have meant for Cersei to have a slower descent in Winds
    Edit: I also remember a few Blog posts where George talked about Cersei chapters giving him headaches. So it seems to line up pretty well.

    • @pieceofgosa
      @pieceofgosa ปีที่แล้ว +6

      this is very plausible

    • @JMTgpro
      @JMTgpro ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It cannot be a main character in a plot, because those deaths are embedded in the story structure. Yes, Kevan's death triggers Cersei's madness, but it's reversible. If it happens too early, GRRM can simply shorten Cersei's chapters, stretch them out so they're less notables, thus making the other plots catch up.

    • @thewingedserpent5823
      @thewingedserpent5823 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@JMTgpro also, it's not like a switch thats being flipped. It would still plausably be a slow decent, even if the direct tigger already happened.

    • @j-rey-
      @j-rey- ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@JMTgpro I wouldn't say "cannot," but I agree that it is very likely not a character that died in a pivotal plot beat, in this case, Kevan and Pycelle at the end of act 2. There are probably ways that Cersei can be controlled still. She is never left unattended, Mace Tyrell is still hand, Randall Tarly is now on the small council, and the Sparrows still have a vice grip on the city.

    • @pieceofgosa
      @pieceofgosa ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@JMTgpro he doesn't have a story structure. He's a gardener, remember ?

  • @dantheman4838
    @dantheman4838 ปีที่แล้ว +185

    If I had to guess it would be Oberyn Martell. He seems to be connected to every major story plot (from Dani, to Jon Con, to Kings landing, to Old Town to the Riverlands to the Wall) but he died without connecting a single dot or resolving a single plot point. Which means George now has to introduce another character who can connect all those dots for him without it feeling forced or opening plot holes.

    • @Misfits822
      @Misfits822 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Not to forget how important the sand snakes will be in the next book.

    • @Augusto_Pinochet
      @Augusto_Pinochet ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Literally who my first thought was. He could easily have intro’d The Sand Snakes without killing Oberyn. And think of all the knowledge that was lost that could be shared by Oberyn since he traveled the world.

    • @andromidius
      @andromidius ปีที่แล้ว +53

      I think his death was a big catalyst for other events. And its a very George thing to introduce an instant fan favourite and then kill them off in an anti-climax.

    • @cryptan6756
      @cryptan6756 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He was my first guess, too.

    • @rafamuniak
      @rafamuniak ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Also my first thought. His demise was so quick and sudden without even exploring more deeply his character and giving him a chance to have some bigger impact on the story.

  • @openthemind1244
    @openthemind1244 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Genna has that feeling because she's the one Lannister who doesn't have some ulterior motive and isn't always plotting or planning. She's the ONE fully open & truthful Lannister that just says what it is, period. That's why you have that feeling about her.

    • @j-rey-
      @j-rey- ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Genna has what feeling? Genna is still alive, if that's what you mean (i.e. that her death is what is frustrating George).

    • @TenebraeXVII
      @TenebraeXVII ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ​@@j-rey-the feeling of having genuine familial interactions. And she is planning, but she's upfront about her objective being to secure the future and standing of her remaining progeny, preferably in lands less potentially fraught than Riverrun for their holder.

    • @KaiHung-wv3ul
      @KaiHung-wv3ul 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Uh...what about Daven or Kevan?

  • @dartagnanjames8069
    @dartagnanjames8069 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    I feel like it's Maester Aemon. I know his arc seems fairly complete but... His Death was awkwardly handled compared to most other characters. It's like he died cause he was old and that's what he's supposed to do? Like George didn't know what to do with him for a minute, and then later might have remembered things he could have done with him. I can't think of anyone else. Every other death seemed pretty deliberate. Aemon is the only one who seemed to have died from a lack of immediate narrative utility, that might have been a lapse. Aemon went to the Wall with Bloodraven. He might've been key to some things that only George could tie together. But it could just be Kevan.

    • @cristiansaucedo4707
      @cristiansaucedo4707 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Aemon had lived that long. Could have made it to Old town, help Sam. Could probably stay there if he didn't think he could handle the voyage back (not only long but terrible weather).

    • @j-rey-
      @j-rey- ปีที่แล้ว +16

      That's the exact character who first came to my mind, and it was one of the first ones Preston thought of, too. Aemon being a Targaryen who was around during the reigns of Bloodraven and all the kings that followed, as well as accompanying Bloodraven to the Wall (where the latter eventually became lord commander then lost beyond the Wall), I would imagine that Aemon's combined knowledge of history and magic is probably unmatched (maybe Marwyn has more combined knowledge). Not only that, he seemed to be having either prophetic or glass candle dreams as he was dying. I would like to hear Aemon's interpretations of a lot of the prophecies our characters ponder.
      I think his body will be used in a blood magic ritual, as it is preserved in a cask of rum, and I think it is still on the Cinnamon Wind, which is on its way to Slaver's Bay. But having Aemon alive right now could open up a lot of possibilities, either at the Citadel with Sam or Slaver's Bay with Marwyn, Dany, Tyrion, etc.

    • @dartagnanjames8069
      @dartagnanjames8069 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@j-rey- I also just feel like Aemon could probably confirm a lot of little details that could become important? Like he probably knows for a fact that Dark Sister was with Bloodraven so it's for sure in his cave, and he might have insight to where Blackfyre actually is, or what's up with that family line beyond a passing knowledge. He's old enough to remember a lot of important things, and somehow socially adjacent enough to possibly be informed. It'd make sense for him to have kept tabs on a lot of info that fans want to know, and characters may want to know.
      But... Kevan does make a lot of sense too lol. Aemon's just the only death that feels like it could have been by accident whereas Kevan's felt very deliberate at the time. Kevan's death could be a "mistake" but that's not the same as "I accidently killed a character"

    • @InvaderZed
      @InvaderZed ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You can use Blood Raven and Bran to get into any minute valerian history and prophecy Aemon didn't tell Sam or Jon
      Measter Marwyn, Quathe, probably Euron all know these secrets aswell. With all these characters able to communicate instantaneously across any distance makes that an easy fix.
      It's more likely Kevan as a domino that makes all the other fall around him especially in a naritively and geographically tight a spot as kings landing
      Or someone in Mereen but no one super important died...Quentin shhh you didn't do anything important besides free the dragons. Though your story was beautiful.

    • @dartagnanjames8069
      @dartagnanjames8069 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@InvaderZed I mean if you're trying to convey something to the readers you could use those characters, but they're not connected to the larger cast right now. Bran's "dead" and Bloodraven's been "dead" for years as far as anyone in Westeros knows. We don't know how easy it will be for Bran to link up with the rest of the cast. The characters relationship with each other isn't the same as the characters relationship with the reader.

  • @nathhje
    @nathhje ปีที่แล้ว +49

    On my recent reread, I was surprised how much I liked Genna. She's so funny, and also no nonsense. And she's only in like two chapters. Would love to see her play a bigger role in the last books.
    Now I'm looking forward even more to your fanfic.

  • @j-rey-
    @j-rey- ปีที่แล้ว +142

    I saw someone else mention Beric Dondarrion in this comment section, and I think that is a very interesting take. Having someone capable of the kiss, and with the knowledge and experience of being undead, would be invaluable to several main characters, e.g. Jon and Mel at the Wall, Dany, or maybe even Bran/Bloodraven.
    Edit: I see some people mentioning Stoneheart as a possible replacement for Beric, but Stoneheart is completely enmeshed in the Riverlands, Frey, and Red Wedding 2.0 storylines. There is almost no way that she would be able to serve any significant role in the story at the Wall unless she borrowed Littlefinger's jetpack.

    • @jonttopia
      @jonttopia ปีที่แล้ว +8

      But Beric would be really easy to bring back. There's already missing members of the bwob that he could be leading and rumours and uncertainty about his death/survival are all around.

    • @Runningdeering
      @Runningdeering ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@jonttopiaI’m not sure it is with Thoros saying he gave his breath to resurrect Catelyn. That seems to indicate he just dropped dead. For him to come back it seems like Thoros would be the one. Unless they’re inferring his body wouldn’t be breaking down now that his flame is extinguished. Just feels a little tough to me. I’ve always been of the mind it was a Beric like johnr3123 said regarding his experiences w being a fire wight that isn’t obsessed with revenge.

    • @lburrsshinyhunts2253
      @lburrsshinyhunts2253 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stoneheart could give kiss of life to Jon to bring him back

    • @chad5965
      @chad5965 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ⁠@@Runningdeeringthey also say several times that it’s getting harder and harder to resurrect Beric for him and for Thoros. I think if Beric had one or two more deaths, he would’ve taken his own life.

    • @chad5965
      @chad5965 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I honestly think Lady stoneheart won’t last long in the winds of winter. Jamie and Brienne were last seen together and I doubt brienne would bring Jaime to his death. If I had to guess, they’re gonna work together to somehow take on the brotherhood without banners

  • @sospakemartin4434
    @sospakemartin4434 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    So since she is this close to George it puts more validity behind what she said about the show ending:
    “What happened is that his show caught up with him, and he then met with the showrunners and he told them what he was planning to do in that book, so that they could then write accordingly,” Gabaldon explained.
    “Only they didn’t write accordingly, they took his stuff, and distorted it and wrote their own ending, which wasn’t at all what he had in mind but used all the elements that he told them.”

  • @Longshanks1690
    @Longshanks1690 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    If he’s really agonising about getting Genna or Daven to court to serve as regent, then I’d honestly just recommend him to let her borrow the jetpack for a while.
    It’d be strange if she turned up as early as Cersei III, but at this point, I’ll take a few inconsistencies over nothing lol.

    • @jonttopia
      @jonttopia ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Could the problem be that Genna needs to be in Jamie's story aswell? So Genna has to be in the Riverlands and Kingslanding at the same time. He might have intended for her to wrap up her part in Jamie's story before Kevan dying, and then he forgot that.

    • @BasicPrinciplesGTA
      @BasicPrinciplesGTA ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Exactly. I mean Yoren rode from the Inn at the Crossroads to Kings Landing, in no time flat, to tell Ned about Catelyn abducting Tyrion. He admits to having nearly killed his horse in doing so, but god damn, we have set a precedence that people can cross the Riverlands briskly when they set their minds to it.
      I also feel like Kevan's death has as much of an ambiguity out as Quentyns or Jons. We don't witness Kevan dying, we don't witness any other POV mourning over his corpse. He takes a quarrel in the ribs and starts gurgling up blood. The little kids approach him with knives, but we don't know what follows. Maybe they botch the job and the cuts aren't fatal. Maybe a guardsman bursts in to the room just as Kevan loses consciousness and the epilogue ends. He could easily wake up grievously wounded and plays whatever part GRRM needs him to before succumbing to his wounds at the point where his death once again serves the purposes of the story George is trying to tell.
      Theories aside, it was overall a pretty stupid move by Varys to have the little birds go stabby stabby with their knives. Both Pycelle and Kevan dying by crossbow bolt sends much more shockwaves through the court at Kings Landing and especially Cersei, as they will immediately think it was Tyrion hiding in the walls that whacked Kevan and Pycelle.

    • @donaldjgumpofficial5754
      @donaldjgumpofficial5754 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BasicPrinciplesGTA Prologues and epilogues always feature characters that die though.

  • @adumsundler4397
    @adumsundler4397 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    It's possible that there's a character in WINDS that George has been planning on killing for a while (maybe Victarion). But once that character is dead, it brings a lot of issues. So he doesn't want to undo that decision because the death serves a narrative purpose.

  • @aaronwilson8632
    @aaronwilson8632 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I always thought it was Arys Oakheart, since he said he regretted writing that chapter as well
    9:22 you could make the argument for Lancel Lannishter. He is Kevan's direct heir and he is in KL. Having someone who is a Lannister but tied to the HS and the Warriors Sons as regent would be interesting

    • @wizardsummoner9124
      @wizardsummoner9124 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The Hand is appointed, not inherited. Lancel as Hand wouldn't make much sense.

    • @aaronwilson8632
      @aaronwilson8632 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@wizardsummoner9124 Regent not Hand

    • @wizardsummoner9124
      @wizardsummoner9124 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@aaronwilson8632 Either way, it doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be family. Mace can be Regent.

    • @juwebles4352
      @juwebles4352 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wizardsummoner9124 But why would the remaining lannnisters ever even consider giving the tyrells that much power?

    • @wizardsummoner9124
      @wizardsummoner9124 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@juwebles4352 Which remaining Lannisters? And the Tyrells are the de facto power in KL by the end of Dance, they're the logical options.

  • @alexsnewhandle
    @alexsnewhandle ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I think it's definitely Maester Aemon, he's old enough and interested in prophecy enough to have a lot of knowledge and conclusions that are unknown to everyone else

  • @jaysemitchells497
    @jaysemitchells497 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    What about Jon Snow? Having him be secret royalty is hard when he's zombified

  • @St3w0n
    @St3w0n ปีที่แล้ว +61

    What are the chances GRRM is talking about a character he killed off early in Winds of Winter and the reason he is having trouble is because he realized he will have to rewrite a good chunk of Winds of Winter?

    • @Archway-9
      @Archway-9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      My bet would be Victarion

    • @everethwilkins7076
      @everethwilkins7076 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In that case it most surely is Barristan

    • @hamzamahmood9565
      @hamzamahmood9565 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh no!!! We will never get the book then 😂

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@everethwilkins7076
      Yep.

    • @bebos1262
      @bebos1262 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@everethwilkins7076 Damn. What a waste if that is the case. If he ended up killing Barry but not Vic that is such a disappointment, will honestly be bummed if that is the case. Barristan is such an asset to Dany and will be her greatest guiding force once in Westeros, the man who has living memory of Aegon V and those good days. If he dies, all she will have is a bitter and utterly insane Tyrion as her Hand.

  • @nilen435
    @nilen435 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I like it how Varys uses "the evil voice", a common poirot troupe when the murderer have been found out and explains his motive.

    • @williamcobbett4943
      @williamcobbett4943 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nice Mitchell and Webb reference.

    • @nilen435
      @nilen435 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      indeed :D@@williamcobbett4943

    • @TxWIll
      @TxWIll 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@williamcobbett4943 And he suddenly looks sexier!

  • @Midnightsstan521
    @Midnightsstan521 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    One theory I saw on Reddit was that the character GRRM regretted killing was Pycelle, because he was present at the birth of Prince Aegon, and could thus be could be able to prove or disprove Young Griff’s identity via some sort of birthmark, or the lack of one.
    Not that I expect anyone would listen to him, but it could have been one of the little clues GRRM used to plant suspicion about Griff

    • @autje1970
      @autje1970 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It doesn't matter if Young Griff is Aegon or not, the people will believe him, and that's all that matters. People believe what they want to believe. Otto Hightower said something very important about Aegon II in the last episode of HotD: "He has the conqueror's name, he has the conqueror's sword, he wears the conqueror's crown." I suspect all three of these will also apply to (f)Aegon VI: he obviously has the name, Blackfyre is probably in that chest that Illyrio sends with him and Tyrion and the rest on the Shy Maid, and Aegon's crown has gone suspiciously missing in Dorne at some point in history. Perfect moment for it to show up again (and for Dorne to tie itself to the new king through this).

  • @colinplaisance4274
    @colinplaisance4274 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It has to be someone who has not been needed much in other circumstances but needs to be here for a specific plot point.
    Arts Oakheart?

  • @barbaraludwiczak6798
    @barbaraludwiczak6798 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Genna as the regent.... Much as I like this idea I had always had this impression that she would die pretty soon after she was introduced. I mean, she was so nice and interesting character, but off to be killed.
    I also had the impression that Jaime will die pretty soon. There is certain feeling of his path coming to an end, especially when he muses how he managed to end the conflict at Riverrun without fighting Tullys. He also goes to Harrenhal and hears all the stories and rumours that are being said about Brienne and him like you can see the tale of his life being told. I could totally see him dying in his next chapter.

  • @FrostTHammer
    @FrostTHammer ปีที่แล้ว +12

    First name that came to my mind was Lysa. No real reason why but it's one of the few that you definitely can't put back in the bottle.
    Cersei's trial won't end up happening imo The High Sparrow will instead attempt to install Lancel in the Rock, and won't want his name sullied as star witness against the queen

  • @jacks6235
    @jacks6235 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Wouldnt Lancel taking his fathers place as Regent make more sense? Especially since the Faith have the power in KL and they would want the one Lannister involved in the Faith running things.

  • @MeleysRQ
    @MeleysRQ ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Genna better live by the end of the novels, she is such a great character.

    • @bonbonvegabon
      @bonbonvegabon ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lol We barely know her lol

    • @MeleysRQ
      @MeleysRQ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bonbonvegabon and? Her time in scene was pure gold and what we know of her is great. More time in scene doesn't always means better, is more about the right time.

    • @thatguywholeavestheparty6147
      @thatguywholeavestheparty6147 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just because you said that GRRM just wrote that she gets greyscale

  • @DancingViru
    @DancingViru ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The issue w/ Kevan's death from a political point of view I feel like is by design.
    I personally think the wildcard that's going to help out Cersei is actually Aegon. In his journey of wanting to become a righteous king, he might disagree with the way Cersei's being treated (potentially against JonCon's strategic wishes).
    Or he may announce his presence otherwise at Storm's End, drawing enough attention to delay Cersei's trial.
    Cersei on the other hand may warm up to new opportunities. Wasn't she drawn to Rhaegar's looks when she was younger, looking forward to potentially getting married to him?
    She also saw those similar features of physique in Auran Waters, right? Maybe the imagery of a younger version of Rhaegar will excite her enough to inspire new kinds of impulsivity for her character, potentially thinking she has a chance to be wed to Aegon.
    Maybe that's how the "Cersei x Golden Company" from the tv show happens.
    If the dead character really is someone George "needs", then it has to be exclusive to either a plot thread or the development of another character.
    If it's a main character, I was wondering if it's just Catelyn, & he doesn't like where he is with her now; frustrated with the limitations of her state.
    Could also be any of the other witnesses to Robb's will, & he doesn't like the state the remaining survivors are in.
    We need to bare in mind, there might be a difference between which deaths he left ambiguously, & which ones are just ambiguous to us, but irreversible to him.
    With that in mind, it could also be recent-historical characters, like Ashara Dayne.

    • @kragary
      @kragary ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Aegon/Cersei would be such a wild twist, I kinda love it.

  • @ValkyrieXI2
    @ValkyrieXI2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Could it possibly be jamie? I just wonder if george feels like theres no way to logically write him out of lady stonehearts grip without killing him. In general Im wondering if he wrote a character into a corner so much that theres no other way but to kill them off.

    • @921Ether
      @921Ether ปีที่แล้ว +2

      he could use thoros to resurrect him

    • @ValkyrieXI2
      @ValkyrieXI2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@921Ether oh yeah you're right.. its been a while :)

  • @jonttopia
    @jonttopia ปีที่แล้ว +19

    My immediate thought was some Frey. It can't be someone that's too important for the major plot, like Tywin or Ned. Their deaths have such an obvious effect on the story that it would be ridicolously stupid by George to not think it through. It has to be some character that at first doesn't seem very important so you can kill them without thinking too much about it, but they are part of some complex system where you realize they are necessary once you start digging in it. None of the Frey characters are really big parts of the plot, so I can see George killing them without thinking, but the Frey succession is really complicated and I believe Frey succession/civil war will be a big part of winds. I can't think of what dead Frey it would be though, Merret and Little Walder are too far down the list of succession to matter. Maybe Jinglebell?

    • @kragary
      @kragary ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I agree, "accidentally" killing off a character sounds like it would be a relatively minor character where the consequences aren't immediately obvious. My thought was that it could have been someone at the Red Wedding, that now suddenly has an effect on the entire Northern plotline. The Frey situation is a good option too.

    • @j-rey-
      @j-rey- ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I was going to say Jinglebell as a joke answer to this video 😆, but you actually made good points about the Frey civil war. It would be a pretty interesting story to see the Freys fighting over control of Jinglebell's regency if he is in fact the next in line at some point. That makes it less about succession and more about power, as you don't need to be the HEIR to control the Twins, you need to control JINGLEBELL to control the Twins.

    • @jonttopia
      @jonttopia ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@j-rey- it would kinda parallel KL and winterfell aswell. As the struggle for power there is who can control Tommen and fArya

  • @TheThezenith
    @TheThezenith ปีที่แล้ว +14

    could it of been a character he had killed at the very start of his winds of winter manuscript, and realised later that that character was essential. Sure its reversable as hes still writing it but perhaps it was so much of a problem to him because it was a major important death early on in the book so he was forced to go back rewriting not only that death, but also all of the POVs that that death would of effected.

  • @markrobinson3387
    @markrobinson3387 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My guess is it’s Darean. I think there’s information that Darean was suppose to bring back to a resurrected John at the wall, but with Aemon dead and Sam in Oldtown, he doesn’t have a way to do that.

  • @musculusiv4172
    @musculusiv4172 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I think we should think about this less from a logistical standpoint like "there must be a Lannister in KL". I'd guess it it's rather someone who could have driven the story/motives of a pov character forward.
    That said I don't have a good idea who it could be yet...

  • @ivoserra696
    @ivoserra696 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would't be awsome if George came out and said "The chareceter I was talking about is "time". "I´ve killed so much time, and I regreted because now I wont have enough to finish the story."

  • @amatthew1231
    @amatthew1231 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Little Walder, mayhaps.

  • @Candace-Loves
    @Candace-Loves ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It could also be from a Feast for Crows, remember, because that book happens at the same time as Dance.

  • @vulpes82
    @vulpes82 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    One of the things I "love" about Cersei's as a character is that on the surface at first, we're sort of inclined to root for her in a weird way from a feminist angle. She's the overlooked daughter who wants to follow in her father's footsteps as a political player, but now she's taking control on her own. But, besides being an awful person, she's also, like, awful at politics. Tywin is a bad role model on many levels, even as a politician, but even then she took only the wrong lessons from him. She's a blunt instrument even when she thinks she's being subtle, and she gets outplayed by people like the Tyrells and her own father because she doesn't really know what she's doing. She's petty, spiteful, and impatient. She knows only how to win enemies and alienate friends. Her solution to everything is to kill people. She only "won" against Ned and Robert because Ned was even worse at politics and Robert was too soused. Even then, she just kind of got lucky. To see her interact with Genna, who in many ways has the exact same background, but who seems much, much smarter, frankly, would just be fascinating.

    • @michaelwoolley7034
      @michaelwoolley7034 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Killing people isn't her solution to EVERYTHING. Sometimes she seduces them into her bed, as with the Kettleblacks & Lancel

    • @KaiHung-wv3ul
      @KaiHung-wv3ul 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@michaelwoolley7034 ...in order to get to kill people for her.

  • @sreyarthakrishna6195
    @sreyarthakrishna6195 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    10:10 Little Walder Frey is the Prince That Was Promised.

  • @UncleJunkyard
    @UncleJunkyard ปีที่แล้ว +19

    What about Berric Dondarrion? He died for real when he passed his spark into Lady Stoneheart.

    • @j-rey-
      @j-rey- ปีที่แล้ว +11

      FANTASTIC answer. I can't believe I didn't think about that. I was always kinda confused why the Brotherhood split into two factions. We just hear that Beric gave Cat the kiss, and the next thing we know, half the Brotherhood is a bunch of angry revenants and the other half are MIA. Having someone with knowledge and experience with resurrection would be mindblowing for most characters in the story, and he could be useful at the Wall, for example.

    • @TaurusWitch29
      @TaurusWitch29 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I like this

  • @kt1pl2
    @kt1pl2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's been stated that the person he wished he hadn't killed was an innkeeper. He said that she would have been very useful because seh would have seen a lot of people coming and going. I think they said Tywin had her killed. (by his troops?)

    • @AW-pg5hv
      @AW-pg5hv 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's an old Innkeeper Catelyn remembers from her childhood. As the events leading to Roberts Rebellion play in the area and the inn is at the central intersection there is some plausibility to the idea.

  • @rorycole7135
    @rorycole7135 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I think GRRM was talking about Jon Snow.
    I know not many people agree with my opinion but I think that Jons death means that he will no longer be a POV character (similar to Cat after she was resurrected).

    • @celan4288
      @celan4288 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That was my thought. He will be warged into Ghost but hard to write a POV from that.

  • @Mj_Jetson
    @Mj_Jetson ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Maybe Ryman? He might have some specific idea in mind for how stuff plays out in the Riverlands, and Ryman's survival (at least for now) could've facilitated that? Or if its a character whose been dead a while, maybe Oberyn? The Dornish story makes very little sense, so Oberyn's survival could've influenced how things play out? idk...

    • @TheNobleStar9075
      @TheNobleStar9075 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was really surprised they didn't mention Oberyn

    • @neuralmute
      @neuralmute ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Oberyn's a good call too. He could have been useful for so much more than one great fight and ghastly death scene.

  • @Daemonnoob
    @Daemonnoob ปีที่แล้ว +7

    it's obviously ned, well gotta rewrite the series.
    the publisher will probably be on board because they can finally release something.
    a new (old) book that's a sweet win-win for them.
    right now remakes are the big thing anyway, right?
    finally the era of book remakes begins.
    no tbh i think it may very well be quentin or loras.
    not because they are dead but because george does not understand his own writting anymore.
    he has said a few times that often he can't remember he wrote something or why he wrote a certain plot.
    i have that myself sometimes and george is both old and has six billion plots so it's not easy to always remember what you wanted to do with them.
    another guess is shay, as he told sibel he wished he hadn't killed her and he might now feel like he owe's her something.
    and because of that feeling he does not know what to do.

  • @robrick9361
    @robrick9361 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You're all wrong. It's Ser Twenty of House Goodmen.

  • @timheanue
    @timheanue ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Are there any Lannister Bannermen in King's Landing that would be of a high enough status to act as regent until a member of the family arrives?

  • @phnompenhandy
    @phnompenhandy ปีที่แล้ว +18

    My tip is big - Jon Snow. Like in the show what was so awful is resurrected Jon was exactly the same as pre-dead Jon. Shouldn't he undergo a transformation more like Lady Stoneheart? That of course wouldn't work with his proposed character arc. For me, that's always been a HUGE problem for GRRM to resolve.

    • @alexmars1511
      @alexmars1511 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      More like dondarion as well. Where they're fixated on finishing the last thing they were doing when they died. So Jon would be hell-bent to attack winterfell so will be obsessed to raise an (undead) army to attack

    • @jacobenke7936
      @jacobenke7936 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@alexmars1511 The difference is that Jon's mind is now in Ghost. It makes his resurrection scenario a bit different, and it's likely Bran will have to get involved.

    • @alexmars1511
      @alexmars1511 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jacobenke7936 Do you think Bran can warg dead things? Is Bran Cold hands, his own monster? Will Bran just borrow Jon for a bit?

  • @sedargames8161
    @sedargames8161 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I thought GRRM confirmed that Pycele's death was premature in an old So Spake Martin.

    • @PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin
      @PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      When?

    • @KumarAnshs
      @KumarAnshs ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobinHi Preston. Love you videos. Can you please do another Jon Connington chapter with The Tyrell Army?

  • @charlieburnham39
    @charlieburnham39 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Just have some sort of stipulation where the grand maester must be present for Cersei's trial. Then Genna has time to arrive while the citadel sends a new maester.

  • @movieloverfan18
    @movieloverfan18 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    WAIT, WAIT, I GOT THE SOLUTION. Kevan was killed late in the book and it was a Kevan point of view, so It Was All A Dream. He dreamed Varys killed him. He wakes up and Wow what a terrible dream.......That being said I think it is Maester Aemon .

  • @Ilzey1
    @Ilzey1 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    What about Maester Pycelle? He probably has a lot of knowledge of Roberts Rebellion. I'm still betting we didn't learned everything about that. From the beginning on we were told that Ned and Robert were the good guys, and Aerys the bad one. But Lady Dustling storys of Brandon makes me think that we don't know the full story.

    • @cristiansaucedo4707
      @cristiansaucedo4707 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hmm. Any idea on what that could be? That would change our view of the rebellion?

    • @bryceeaston9663
      @bryceeaston9663 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think the main counter to that is that there are a lot of other characters who could also talk about the rebellion, like Varys and Howland. Like Pycell is a good source, but is he essential ?

    • @reinsaxony4623
      @reinsaxony4623 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@bryceeaston9663 Pycelle could have been the person to recognize if Aegon is fake.

    • @bebos1262
      @bebos1262 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@reinsaxony4623Especially considering that he would have delivered baby Aegon and would have knowledge of any birthmarks that could identify him.

    • @bryceeaston9663
      @bryceeaston9663 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@reinsaxony4623 Yeah, that makes sense if a very specific set of characters need that information.

  • @omg_look_behind_you
    @omg_look_behind_you ปีที่แล้ว +11

    the guy that took davos' place above white harbor

    • @esjay1999
      @esjay1999 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the right answer

  • @TheEldenwhite
    @TheEldenwhite ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The character is CLEARLY Allar Deem.

    • @jacobenke7936
      @jacobenke7936 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Allar Deem never offered a word of complaint.

  • @pedromenchik1961
    @pedromenchik1961 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    It’s got to be a PoV character in order for this to make sense. My money is on Kevan

    • @bradp5848
      @bradp5848 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      While Kevan might be the mistaken death he was on a PoV because he's about to die. All the pro and epilogue's have new PoV's and all end in death.
      I'm not sure who the dead character could be but knowing Kevan's only had his chapter because it's purpose is to kill him makes me skeptical.

  • @nikhillrao3799
    @nikhillrao3799 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Justice for Robb :(

  • @YoungsterSkaymore
    @YoungsterSkaymore ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Aemon can be a force of unity/mutually beneficial communication between the 2 invading targaryens and with Jon

  • @siamihari8717
    @siamihari8717 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think it may be a Character related to danys half of the world.
    Like the poor Sea Captain.
    George has expressed difficulty with that area of the story before no?

  • @jordanf.6213
    @jordanf.6213 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think you're definitely right about Kevan being the one. As well as the fact that I don't think we'll ever get A Dream of Spring, but if George wrote Winds and Dream with the same pacing and density as A Storm of Swords I think you could end it in two. Seriously, Storm is one of the best books I've ever read. So much happens and it doesn't feel like you lose any of the details or world building the other books have. It's brilliantly paced. And if the last two books read like that it could definitely wrap things up in a satisfying way. But if they read like Feast or Dance there's no way.

  • @angellover02171
    @angellover02171 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It makes sense that it's Kevin as he shows up at the trial in the show. Pycell(sp) is killed by the little birds instead.

  • @tatalsaba
    @tatalsaba ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I actually think it's possible for Kevan to be saved, however it requieres someone checking up on the grandmaester or some of Kevan's own loyalists to show up fast enough to save him from the little birds, which is somewhat unlikely since Varys would guard against that very option, or, even more intriguing, that there's a faceless man amongst the little birds, whose client benefits from Kevan being alive for the time being, and so would attack the others, saving Kevan. But all of that is fanfic work without much basis in the story as I recall it.
    Alternatively, instead of a Lannister in charge of Kings Landing as regent, it could be one of the Lannister Loyalists that are already well respected and competent, I'd wager Addam Marbrand, former member of the Gold cloaks, recognised knight and proven commander and leader. Also, as the heir to House Marbrand he is theoretically closely related to the Lannisters because Tytos Lannister's wife was a Marbrand, so he had some traction there too.
    Another option is Darlessa Lannister (nee Marbrand), who was married to Tygett, and is thus the aunt of Cersei, Jaime and Tyrion, which could bring her some seniority over them. A widower for several years, Darlessa would have taken charge of Tygett's possessions and holdings (which would be of unknown size, but since he partook in tourneys and was known for his martial prowess Tygett were likely loaded from that, Kevan said Tytos saw to all of his kid's inherritance, and Tygett "tried to be his own man, but couldn't compare to Tywin" which doesn't mean he's a failure, just not as succesful and likely had a minor lordship) which highlights her competence. Additionally, Darlessa would likely already be enroute to King's Landing to look for her missing son Tyrek, or voyaging to Hayford in the Crownlands, as the girl her son Tyrek was married to, Ermesande Hayford, is just a babe, and thus can't rule her own lands (which are likely quite rich, since Tyrek got married to her in the first place) aso Darlessa would rule them as regent in her place (This is not mentioned in the Jaime chapter where he visits Hayford, so it's a really flimsy reason).
    However, Darlessa hasn't appeared in the books at all, so would be an entirely new character to introduce as the regent.
    Aside from them there's a truckload of loyal lords to take up the reigns, Lord Brax, Lord Prester or Lord Crakehall would be top candidates in my mind.

  • @Sienisota
    @Sienisota ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think it’s Robb Stark. GRRM has said before that he regrets not giving Robb his own POV chapters. And now GRRM is stuck trying to get North ruler fixed in a believable way. And the North needs to be fixed if Westros is to survive winter with Others, in a believable way.

  • @engineerforthefuture8593
    @engineerforthefuture8593 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This story is from a few years ago, and if I recall correctly, George gave an update at some point where he said he'd finished a cluster of Cersei chapters that had been troubling him. So he may have already solved this problem.

  • @Bamdd5
    @Bamdd5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Carmine with that flawless transition at the start of the video lol

  • @aprilmae274
    @aprilmae274 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There are a few non-mains whose deaths {and lives} were pretty important. And difficult to rewrite any other way after getting so far in. For example- I can't help but to think of Franz Ferdinand when I think of Quentyn Martell's death. It was so quiet, so far away, so banal...to spark a hugeazz war. Oberyn's son's death changes EVERYTHING for the Martells. He kinda has to die.

  • @maxmercer1931
    @maxmercer1931 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Killing Aerys was a mistake

  • @michaelwhisnant6723
    @michaelwhisnant6723 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You fools, it’s so obvious. After several rereads the answers is clearly Mycah the butcher’s boy. Read Haereg.

  • @syndrome5372
    @syndrome5372 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think the real reason the winds of winder has been so delayed is that he was going to wrap it up EXACTLY like the show, saw the backlash and has been in a panic to change the ending ever since to pretend that wasnt how he was ending it

  • @V_i_vi_an
    @V_i_vi_an ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's Kevan. George said a couple years ago that he was having problems with Cersei chapters.

  • @davidhunter1555
    @davidhunter1555 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I live in the delusion where Dance actually was the end of Ice and Fire. Jon dies, Dany is re-enslaved, Aegon lands/conquers, and everything else ends up not mattering.

  • @DavidSmith-ul7vx
    @DavidSmith-ul7vx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He killed most main characters in the first book. I think that's why he has that feeling to him.

  • @williamjameshoffer4405
    @williamjameshoffer4405 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Ummm. GRRM NEVER wraps things up. I have read most of his written works and Preston has read them all. Not a single one has a clean ending. They are all unfinished.

    • @pieceofgosa
      @pieceofgosa ปีที่แล้ว +5

      lol, I'm reminded of a quote from Dune:
      Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here. ' - from "Collected Sayings of Maud'Dib'' by the Princess Irulan.

    • @geg6315
      @geg6315 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh dear

  • @Longshanks1690
    @Longshanks1690 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Isn’t the whole point of the Lannister family that they are so fucked as a unit, mostly due to Tywin, that they’re incapable of treating each other as anything other than extensions of the concept of House Lannister that Tywin believed in more fervently than anything?
    Even then, I still do think the underlying reality that they are family shines through. I think to ACOK and how Cersei and Tyron started dancing with each other after hearing Stannis was sailing against Renly not them, or when he tried to comfort her in the same book, she just replies “not you.” Or Kevan extolling Tywin’s virtues to Tyrion in his prison cell because whatever else he was, he was still his big brother. Genna, and the two younger brothers, clearly didn’t believe in that concept as much as Tywin so they have much closer connections with Tyrion and Jaime than their father so that’s why Genna is much warmer with Jaime in their scene. I think if Tyg and Gerion were still around, we’d have even more of those scenes still.

  • @chrishowland8857
    @chrishowland8857 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Preston I appreciate your content!

  • @zachschubert7190
    @zachschubert7190 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Hound. He made it pretty clear the Hound dies in the books.

  • @matthewkemp594
    @matthewkemp594 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ned Stark. He could have switched-off with Daario so that Daario could be Euron full-time.

  • @danielallen4450
    @danielallen4450 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    A lot of the comments down here seem to be about characters who have knowledge of the past, but I would guess Kevan Lannister, because that death to me feels like it forces the King's Landing plot into a corner, cause it seems increasingly like Cersei is screwed, and he may have needed her around for something with the Faegon and Daenerys plotlines?

    • @db7213
      @db7213 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think that would be such a big problem. Just have Aegon take over King's Landing and decide that Cersei is of more value to him as a hostage than dead. (And having Aegon take over King's Landing is not a problem either: just have the Tyrells switch sides -- theirs is the only army protecting the city.)

    • @danielallen4450
      @danielallen4450 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@db7213 what I was getting at was that maybe he wanted King's Landing to hold out longer than it realistically could with Kev dead and her back in charge. I dunno. Perhaps I'm missing something big, and it's another chapter. It's a very long series, and I've not read Feast or dance in a while.

    • @danielallen4450
      @danielallen4450 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@db7213 Of course, it's very possible it was a character we lost a while ago and their death had knock on effects, I guess

    • @baswar
      @baswar ปีที่แล้ว

      Could it be that it doesn't make a large amount of sense for Cersei to gain power so quickly? Like who is backing her to retake the regency?

    • @db7213
      @db7213 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@baswar Who said anything about Cersei taking back the regency? Varys' whole goal of murdering Kevan was for Aegon to take power, so the logical next event in the story is for Tommen to be declared illegitimate and Aegon to take power in King's Landing. The fall of the Lannister rule at the hands of a Targaryen invader was mentioned all the way back in GRRM's 1993 letter to his editor so he has had 30 years to plan how to write it.

  • @frankvandorp2059
    @frankvandorp2059 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is absolutely nothing ambiguous about what happened with Quentyn. They literally stand around his burned body.

  • @coolguy9616
    @coolguy9616 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “Just revive him bro”- D&D

  • @novafloyd12
    @novafloyd12 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    HE REGRETS KILLING JON

  • @aprilmae274
    @aprilmae274 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I feel like by the time Winds is released; Spring will already be mostly finished. I'm not sure he can write it any other way now. I was yelling Kevan at the screen until you guys finally said his name heh...there are 2 more who could be the oopsiedeath. Like Oberyn, for a "3". But as for Gemma-I think it more likely her husband will be named with open understanding that it is his wife who is the real voice there. If at all. I really want her to survive as her perspective is so much more interesting to me than almost any other. I think there's a good chance that someone religious/absurdish will be next up to die as Hand. I'm fronting a hopeful friendship between Gemma and Queen of Thorns, myself. There's just no real way those two won't feel like soul-sisters.

  • @5210smile
    @5210smile ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Why would the Lannisters be able to get one of their own in there? Wouldn't the Tyrells have all the power with Kevan dead and Cersei locked up?

    • @zeoxyman
      @zeoxyman ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe Tommen would have the sense to be firm on this one, and he kind of shares Margaery's popularity so killing/deposing him would be risky? Especially if the High Sparrow likes him and wants Cersei's trial to be fair due to zealotry.
      Probably biased take due to the show though, I haven't reread ASoS and beyond in a while.

    • @fabvz5436
      @fabvz5436 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@zeoxymanTomem is like 10 years old in the books, he won't be important in the decision making of who is his regent

    • @matthewbird1067
      @matthewbird1067 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This was my issue too - who in KL is there to enforce the will of the Lannisters against the faith right now? Tommen is a maybe but would be tough to pull off without another character having motive to let him have his way. Varys and the Aegon cause are a maybe (who knows if he has planted himself in the Sparrows) but they need a motive to want Cersei alive when they take KL.

    • @5210smile
      @5210smile ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zeoxyman I doubt Tommen would stand up for his family over his the Tyrells, seems to like them better and they are there to manipulate him to their side, no Lannisters are.

  • @rey2352
    @rey2352 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Tyrek Lannister isn't dead, he's a horse. Get it together bro

  • @PassivesAbseits
    @PassivesAbseits ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is also the pretty big problem, that Genna... well... is a woman. She just can't ride into Kingslanding in a shining armor and take over the counsel, like Tywin did, because this is still the sexist world of Westeros,
    And as a reader, it will be really weird, because this sort of random character, that we met once, is in charge in Kingslanding all of a sudden and takes over the small council? Will all the other players just accept that? Kevan had the authority, competence and gender to take over, Genna is missing two of those things.

  • @bevindennett
    @bevindennett ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One does not simply have regrets...

  • @Swatty316
    @Swatty316 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Maybe Jon Con? With the introduction of gray scale the Aegon conquest has a time frame now that can potentially put grrm in a corner

  • @StannisHarlock
    @StannisHarlock ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've never heard about this, but I'm not surprised.
    I once debated someone about whether or not George knows what he's doing.
    I posited that he did not.
    This was while he was dealing with the Myreneese knot, maybe around about 2007. I had just learned about how he deleted a few years of writing because he decided against doing the 5 year jump.
    My interlocutor insisted that George did know what he was doing, he just didn't know exactly how he would get where he was going.
    The fact that he killed off someone he needed exposes a huge problem with not knowing how your going to get where you want to go. It's affectively the same thing as not knowing what you're doing in my book.

    • @Demonmack0
      @Demonmack0 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eh, i don't think this is good evidence for your point. even the best laid plans can have errors.

    • @StannisHarlock
      @StannisHarlock ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Demonmack0 this isn't just an error. This is a mistake that helped delay the book for over a decade.
      Writing himself into a corner suggests that he didn't just make a mistake that can easily be remedied.
      This was a blunder.

    • @Yeomannn
      @Yeomannn ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Demonmack0 But George doesn't lay plans, he gardens.

    • @robotmechanic3923
      @robotmechanic3923 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Yeomannn Yeah,and he messed up gardening, "pruned to soon."

  • @lackss7120
    @lackss7120 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He wrote himself into a corner with the frey pie that was promised prophecy

  • @TheMock100
    @TheMock100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On George needing another book to wrap things up. I've considered this before and the books have been getting progressively longer. So I wondered will WOW be two books rather than one? A volume one of 500 or so pages and a volume two of similar length.

  • @andyhx2
    @andyhx2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I might be off the track but my guess it could be Dareon the singer that Jon sends as a recruiter for the Night's Watch along with Sam. Now if you want to move some character to the Wall as a part of recruiting travel circle, you don't really have a guy that recruits men for the Night's Watch (like e.g. Yoren), it creates a problem if you want to have a smooth way to unite characters together on the Wall or even somewhere else, potentially moving Arya and Jon can't send any new recruiter because Jon is dead and Sam is still in the Citadel potentially for several more years.

  • @stanleytweedle1897
    @stanleytweedle1897 ปีที่แล้ว

    @13:52 Tywin's reaction becomes totally understandable when you realize Tyrion is Aeryes' son by Joanna.

  • @Paradoxymoronic
    @Paradoxymoronic ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Going back very very far, but could it be Viserys? Unambiguous death, and can speak of a lot of the past that others can't?

    • @dante6985
      @dante6985 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Doubt it, Barristan Selmy could do that.
      It's probably Kevan or Aemon.
      Without Kevan, King's Landing is pretty much a free-for-all (i.e. there is no one competent left to help rule).
      Without Aemon, a lot of Targaryen history goes, and he died pretty unnecessarily.

    • @testcase6997
      @testcase6997 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dante6985or pycelle, he probably delivered Aegon and him more than the others had a very pointless death that really wasn’t needed

    • @dante6985
      @dante6985 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@testcase6997 Interesting thought. I mean... I personally couldn't think of anything leaving Pycelle would be "key" and I didn't think of delivering Aegon, BUT that would be a very specific set of circumstances.
      (I.e. the Aegon he delivered could have had black hair, like Rhaenys, and Faegon has Targaryen platinum blonde, so he helps "invalidate" his claim).

    • @testcase6997
      @testcase6997 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dante6985 that plus pycelle died in Kevan’s epilogue as an afterthought almost

    • @wolfsbanealphas617
      @wolfsbanealphas617 ปีที่แล้ว

      facts I never saw him as an unreliable narrator out of the simple fact we never get a pov from him and the ones who discredit him one was a spy the other a sellout. It honestly we saw him at the ned of his life we never build

  • @TraciPeteyforlife
    @TraciPeteyforlife ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kevan is the one who sticks out the most. Mostly because he could have been very useful for different plot reasons.

  • @uosdwis-r-dewoh14
    @uosdwis-r-dewoh14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Leftfield option: Craster.
    There's knowledge of The Others and a relationship with them that has been lost.
    Equally Jeor Mormont, clearly had some deeper knowledge of The Others and of Crasters relationship that is lost.

  • @SHARKVADERS
    @SHARKVADERS ปีที่แล้ว +8

    PJ IS BACK FOMOS