@@milesfarberbecause Ray tracing was a relevant question that anyone was asking back in 2017? 2080 RT was still barely usable in games when it came out, and it was leagues ahead of any traditional ray compute ray tracing before it. Vega was what AMD had to offer, but it was not exactly impressive for gaming at the time. GCN based architecture was already long in the tooth and AMD was relying on optimizations and then a node shrink, while focusing on developing RDNA.
Vega cards are out PERFECT timing for fall/winter months when things start to get cold... WHO doesn't want a heater and game at the same time nice and cosy...
agun17 probably no, but it can make a hot cup of tea... Or do you fancy a nice grilled steak it can do that well... HELL you can throw a barbecue for friends and family such versatile are the Vega cards...
navi should be super good. all amd has to do is use infinity fabric to tie gpu's together to get them to scale together and act as 1 just like they do with ryzen. if they tie 2 gpu's together, it would blow the doors off anything that nvidia has. they could literally drop a vega edition right now with infinity fabric and it would wipe the floor off anything from nvidia
thor odin considering the thermal output and power consumption, it will be less likely, since they would throttle without some serious cooling and power supply and honestly that concept is pretty similar to titan Z
Zacronzer Zetto not true at all. I have a thread Ripper (go look on my channel, I have plenty of videos on it) and it is using infinity fabric. At full load on cinnebench my max temp is like 60c. It's actually cooler than my 1800x. My 1800x is liquid cooled (corsair h60, is 120 and has 2 fans with push pull connected to it and my thread Ripper 240 liquid cooler.) and it runs cooler. Granted bigger radiator but the 240 is not push pull, it's just push out the case. So with 2 cpus in one socket it runs damned cool! I also have my thread Ripper stables over locked to 4.15 ghz and at full load 60c!! Further it runs cooler than intels x299 series chips. Intels 16/18 core chips has a higher tdp at throttle. And those are single monolith chips. So that being said, pretty sure amd could do something similar with navi
@@jacobrzeszewski6527 I heard that manufacturers are intentionally didn't produce enough supply to save money and gain profit while blaming those "gpu shortage" problem are on scalpers and miners... We can see this since 2017 from their vega or 1080, and it continues till this day...
Indeed, if this card came out in the beginning of this year, the performance would have been way less of an issue, but now?? Man... I think I'll just wait for Volta.
Only whilst *gaming.* In idle mode even the most wastefull card like a GTX 690 that easily consumes 300W when playing will only suck up 20W whilst in idle modus/everday desktop applications that even include streaming. Inform yourself in future freaking fanboy.
AstroTrain100, You got it running, but you have a power consumption issue? What is your problem here, the WATT the issue, why? What problems you have with that?
because power causes heat. thats how conservation of energy works. if you put power into something its converted into another form of energy(like heat). and heat causes sound. assuming you actually want to cool your card.
Issue is, we want tech to move forward with performance/wattage not backwards. Hope this is not a trend and that volta will have even better performance/wattage then pascal.
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_64/31.html www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_64/29.html Balanced mode for heavy games and power saving one for old or light ones will be enough for any gamer not on 4K Ultra quality imho. And the launch driver NEVER is the good one for AMD. We will probably see again a replication of what happened with Fury X and 980Ti (stock one). Now, Fury X has reached 1070 at 4K where back then it was behind the stock 980Ti.
2:23 Did that chart say that Vega 56 uses GDDR5? Edit: The amount of steam processors is also wrong. RX Vega has 3,584 not 3,854. *Credit to Razamatraz for noticing that.
Just picked up one for my buddy. Vega 56 Red Dragon. It came with the Samsung memory so we flashed the Bios to Vega 64, undervolted, gave it more power and finally OC'd it. We got that baby to stay at 1650mhz and perform only 9% worse than the stock RTX 2070.
@@lussor1 HBM2 memory is Manafactured by either Samsung or Hynix. If you get the Samsung made memory, you can flash the GPU BIOS and bascially make the card a Vega 64.
I know the feeling. I bought a freesync monitor a month ago but solely for the 144hz/1440p. Freesync didn't even factor into my decision. I would have liked to have paired it with a Vega but neither the 56 or 64 can give me the frames I want. I don't believe in the "FEELZ BEFORE REALZ" freesync arguement and the 1080ti is objectively better so I got one second hand.
>has hbm2 memory >has hbcc allowing for basically unlimited vram >powered by two six pins and can be overclocked and undervolted for lower power consumption >now costs about 100 or so euro You were saying?
I'll admit, I used some of the powerful video card I ALL READY OWN to do a bit of cryptocurrency mining when I'm not gaming on my computers, but OH MY GOD. I am getting so fucking pissed off about the miners buying up all the fucking video cards! EDIT: To some responses to this comment. The Bitcoin is currently worth $4388 USD per unit as I am currently writing this. However, with my GTX1080 I have, even overclocked, I only make a max of about $2.50 PER DAY (full 24 hours) with the amount of bitcoin I mine (somewhere around 0.0005 BTC/Day, and no, I'm not mining Bitcoin directly, I'm mining Altcoins that are efficient and converting them to Bitcoin). Then I make another 50 to 70 cents from the 970 I have in a mITX PC I built a while back. All in all, after a few weeks, I've made around $60. Given how small that really is, considering I have a job, and that it's impossible to play video games while my PC is mining, yea, I have no problem turning my miner off for a few hours to play video games.
The real story for me in all honesty is not about either AMD or Nvidia hardware it's about the state of games in general. If you look down a list of popular games the framerates are all over the place, sure some do well on Nvidia some do well on AMD but many just absolutely SUCK on both! not getting anywhere near 100Hz at 1440p. I don't mind spending $600 on a graphics card but I do mind spending $500+ on a 144Hz moniter when only a handful of games even come close to that framerate. I'm sure many money grabbing lazy developers love the fact that the community spends its time arguing over hardware that is essentially the same when infact the biggest thing holding back gaming is bad developers!
It's annoying to see, I get that small studios and indie developers will struggle but many AAA developers do it on purpose.... Cough Ubisoft and their "the human eye can only see 30fps" crap.
I'm glad that someone else _finally_ saw that. On all the reviews, I couldn't help but think, "...I don't want to play that at 40fps for $400-$600." But, the reviewers seemed to have all the details maxed on everything.
Should we talk about the graphic development that has been absolutely non existent for these past 2 years? I don't wanna be that guy, but really the problem is that developers don't give a shit about PC, it's all about console.
@Nice Guy i measured the power usage of my gpu and i can't quite remember how much it exactly draws but its not alot so i dont do that. I undervolted it though!
Hmm, I was hoping to switch out my 1080 for the 64 (for a full AMD build with my Ryzen 1600x) but damn, power consumption and the fact that miners scooped up ALL the 64s on Newegg made the decision for me. No.
they can run any game at 4k, but imo they are made for 1440p and 1080p, maybe 4k but thats if you want to sacrifice some FPS, if i was you i would wait for another generations of cards if you'r looking for 4k gaming in 2017+ (just my opinion)
Linus, you nailed those price to performance graphs. I would love to see a video where you compare all the reference cards of the latest gen of gaming cards for both AMD & NVidia to see which has the best price:performance ratio.
Vega 56: $500/1070 performance, Vega 64: $600/1080 performance. AMD just hiked up the msrp under the excuse that the advertised pricing was for "early-adopters only." Why is AMD able to get away with anything, imagine if Nvidia did this, people would be outraged, screaming that they are being ripped off, but when AMD does it everyone quiets down and accepts it. Do people not understand the only way to make a company improve is to give it backlash?
"We couldn't even find a GTX 1070 for less than about 430$". But do you think you'll be able to find a Vega 56 for less than 500$ before the price of 1070 go down?
I'm still excited about AMD's CPU technologies and improvements but I'm not going to lie, I was hoping for a more vast improvement with their GPU's. Hopefully, Navi will be the big step up that we all want to see! This is just a strange time to shop for any GPU's except if you have the cash you're probably better off just getting either a GTX 1080 or 1080 Ti.
Makes sense, really. The net effect of this will be the forcing of prosumer and low end professional markets into the "industrial" market of Quadros, etc. where they previously used Ti and Titan models. Intel did the same thing until recently.
It's not even clear there's a savings to be had. The MSRP of Vega 56 is $400 while 1070s were selling as low as ~$330 before the mining boom, with ~$360 being somewhat common. If Vega 56 holds at $400 and the product is actually available there is a case to be made but if the price shoots up and/or there is nothing to be had until 2018 then AMD has basically abdicated two hardware generations, starting from the non-answer to the 980 Ti, which they still struggle against even with this new product lineup.
I am loving my vega card, i have the MSI RX Vega 56, and it's amazing. i'm absolutely in love with it despite it's incredibly massive size (it's as long as my forearm)
And only now am I regretting getting a 'shitty' first-stage EVGA GTX 1080 SC with 8GB/10Gbps back in August 2016 for $650. I really should've just waited for the 1080ti.
But those two cards are in completely different performance tiers. You would only regret it if you bought, say, a 1080 and had money to spare a week before the 1080ti released.
Don't feel too bad. You would have had to wait until April of this year to get a 1080Ti. Even then, unless you got one really early, they are much more than $650. I have the ROG Strix OC 1080Ti, that I managed to snag for $779 at launch, but now those go for $799 everywhere. The non OC Strix card is still $760, the cheapest 1080Ti I've seen is the Gigabyte which is still $719. I have yet to see one below $700, even though the MSRP is on founders cards is $699.
Yeah, the EVGA GTX 1080 and 1070. Oh, and the GTX 480. Funnily enough, despite the stereotype, it seems Nvidia cards have had more serious heat problems than AMD ones.
Lol Wait a minute Akula, Nvidia cards are the hotter bunch? Listing 3 examples of not even very hot cards except from the 480 which I had in Sli in 2010, can vouch for it. Amd has released constantly hot and power hungry cards since the beginning.
EVGA GTX 1080s and 1070s caught fire and exploded, even after the application of thermal pads designed to stop this. And the GTX 480 is a goddamn meme for being hot, yours might have been fine but reaching temperatures of over a hundred degrees was not very uncommon.
OK, So I pay $100 more for a G-sync monitor and it works better. Or spend the same amount and get a Vega card and get Freesync. I had freesync It was not even close to as good as G-Sync. I guess if i made 2000 zip files a day it would be worth it. Look at the numbers again. As far as Productivity your talking about 10-15 sec difference. So after rendering a 30min TH-cam video you would save your self 2-3 min if that. Unless you sit and watch your videos render its not worth it. Also your talking about 1-1.5 amps more power draw. That adds up. Then add in the insane heat the Vega cards put out.
I paid $425 for a dell 27" 144hz 1440 monitor. I ran a RX580 with my LG 2560x1080 monitor and it had screen tearing. Went to G sync and it all went away. Using a 1070 now.
56 at least seems priced well, 1070ish performance at 100 dollars less (plus freesync). 64 is the more questionable product, doesn't justify its increase over 56 and doesn't quite reach the 1080.
it'll probably be more expensive than the 1070 here i presume. the 1070 is like 420€ here while the rx vega 64 is like 650€ here. since the TDP of the 54 is just 100$ lower i do presume that the vega 54 won't be below 500€.
Vega actually gets massively more power efficient when you use the balanced/power saving profiles and actually only result in a fairly small performance hit. That said 1070-1080 performance at a cheaper price was all I really expected or wanted from Vega, most of us won't have the cash lying around to pick up a $1000 GPU anyhow.
I honestly think that the bundles are not that bad for the launch of Vega. After a month or so I think that once companies like Sapphire and Asus start making their coolers for the Vega cards, AMD will change the price of the Liquid Cooled 64 from $699 to something more reasonable like $629 or $649. Or at least, I hope that's what they do
you'll understand the edit when you watch all of linuses videos. basically linus said the same words some time ago in some other video so the clips were edited together. pretty cool imo
AudeyMATIK! Actually that $3000 gpu has an extremely good price/performance and even AdoredTv did a video on how AMD will have trouble competing with this
If this card can let me run most games over 60 fps at 1080p on ultra settings, or even 1440p or 4k upscaled on well optimized titles, while my CPU is a 12 year old i7-965e with 12 gb of 1066 ghz ddr3, you know it's still a beast.
Actually - The RX Vega lineup does have a secondary use! It can act as a room heater. In sweden, it's pretty cold in houses! I'll go get myself a liquid "cooled" 64 and heat up my room! Probably also an efficient heater, compared to other options :)
While I support AMD. I'll admit Vega is quite disappointing. Where AMD succeeded in making a great CPU. They seemed to have flopped in the GPU department.
Fuck all of this bullshit, I'm supporting AMD, I don't want them bankrupt, maybe the 64 wasn't everything I hoped and dreamed, for.. the past 5-6 months, but whatever, fuck that, it'll still run my games smooth. Only problem now, I still can't find them in stock! fucking perfect! :)
iBoolGuy, nice but do yourself a favor and wait for partners custom Vega. I will wait for xfx to show up and if it is like Rx480 8gb, I will pull the trigger.
thesilviu silviu even if I were to buy reference card, it's nowhere out there, was just released and already gone, at this point I'm desperately hoping to get one..
If they go bankrupt, nvidia and intel prices will be unpayable, and if u compare improvement rates, AMD has improved a lot faster than nvidia in recent years. If they keep it, they'll be leading in performance and products in one or two years
5 years later and hearing linus basically say $650 cards being "overpriced"..
Oh how naive we have become
NGL Vega was a huge disappointment
@@doomdimensiondweller5627 not as bad as the 4060 tho
@@milesfarberbecause Ray tracing was a relevant question that anyone was asking back in 2017? 2080 RT was still barely usable in games when it came out, and it was leagues ahead of any traditional ray compute ray tracing before it.
Vega was what AMD had to offer, but it was not exactly impressive for gaming at the time. GCN based architecture was already long in the tooth and AMD was relying on optimizations and then a node shrink, while focusing on developing RDNA.
Vega cards are out PERFECT timing for fall/winter months when things start to get cold... WHO doesn't want a heater and game at the same time nice and cosy...
agun17 probably no, but it can make a hot cup of tea... Or do you fancy a nice grilled steak it can do that well... HELL you can throw a barbecue for friends and family such versatile are the Vega cards...
You realise the world has 2 himispheres?
Oh enough with "hot AMD GPUs" this "joke" is so old now...
Zac G but dude... can it run crysis?
yeah I know right, and when I take my CPU cooler off, I can make some pancakes
Already out of stock. Miners.
just wandering how do you make profit form mining.if the electricity if about the same as the profit
bluedragon219123 Its not a good mining card. RX 580s are actually better overall choices
HAZ it is not. God i hear this all the time.
Even if it's not, a 1060 makes me like 1$/day assuming i don't have to pay for electricity....
So... is 1$/day really worth?
They mine almost all the Rx and cards!
After waiting for Vega, now its time to wait for volta xD
I am 3 days in the future, at this rate, we literally are. Expect maybe Navi as well for AMD.
navi should be super good. all amd has to do is use infinity fabric to tie gpu's together to get them to scale together and act as 1 just like they do with ryzen. if they tie 2 gpu's together, it would blow the doors off anything that nvidia has. they could literally drop a vega edition right now with infinity fabric and it would wipe the floor off anything from nvidia
thor odin considering the thermal output and power consumption, it will be less likely, since they would throttle without some serious cooling and power supply and honestly that concept is pretty similar to titan Z
Zacronzer Zetto not true at all. I have a thread Ripper (go look on my channel, I have plenty of videos on it) and it is using infinity fabric. At full load on cinnebench my max temp is like 60c. It's actually cooler than my 1800x. My 1800x is liquid cooled (corsair h60, is 120 and has 2 fans with push pull connected to it and my thread Ripper 240 liquid cooler.) and it runs cooler. Granted bigger radiator but the 240 is not push pull, it's just push out the case. So with 2 cpus in one socket it runs damned cool! I also have my thread Ripper stables over locked to 4.15 ghz and at full load 60c!! Further it runs cooler than intels x299 series chips. Intels 16/18 core chips has a higher tdp at throttle. And those are single monolith chips. So that being said, pretty sure amd could do something similar with navi
volta is 132 percent faster than pascal. for reference, thats the difference between the 680 and the 1080
MINERS NO
This isnt the WAN show
TECH CANUCK NO
Jarrod'sTech you should make a new channel banner my dude
Jarrod'sTech YES, PLEASE DONT RUIN IT FOR US
CRYPTOCURRENCIES NO
BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY YES
3 years later, Big Navi launched. Already out of stock. Some things never change...
@@jacobrzeszewski6527 I heard that manufacturers are intentionally didn't produce enough supply to save money and gain profit while blaming those "gpu shortage" problem are on scalpers and miners... We can see this since 2017 from their vega or 1080, and it continues till this day...
*When i die, i want AMD to lower me into my grave, so i can be let down one last time*
lmao beautiful, I feel the same way
When i die, i want the anti-fanboy virus to be released.
lol
Indeed, if this card came out in the beginning of this year, the performance would have been way less of an issue, but now?? Man... I think I'll just wait for Volta.
LEDtherebelight wait wait what's Volta
I don't know how someone can dislike a video like this. It's literally an informational video about graphics cards
Vega 64 alone draw more than half the power available in my room
microwaves be 1500w typically
yea but a microwave will be runnin 45s once a day, not 5-6h a day.
Ｎａｊｉｍｕ なじむ if you run your pc for 6 hours per day you should get a Job you Bum
LOL
Only whilst *gaming.* In idle mode even the most wastefull card like a GTX 690 that easily consumes 300W when playing will only suck up 20W whilst in idle modus/everday desktop applications that even include streaming. Inform yourself in future freaking fanboy.
Miners: oh look at this new mining GPU
Gamers: Oh dear we are in trouble
The Retro PC Gamer Miners are all useless jerks.
Is that a Harry Potter reference?
I think a lot of people are just jelly. Who wouldn't want to earn money when watching netflix and playing videogames on the other pc.
with that kind of power consumption, I don't think miners are interested.
Was about to say twice the power draw same compute performance these things may actually be bigger shelfhuggers than any of us thought.
Just got a Vega 56 for 200€ and a ryzen 2600 for 109€, for a budget pc I don't think I could have done any better, thanks amd
From which store
same here, just paid 190 € for a vega 56 and changed the cooler. I'm fine with upgrades with 2 year old cards.
I just bought one for 150$
@@treywhitt6399 which Brand?
@@Alex-oq8yg Sapphire Pulse. It was on FB Marketplace
I'm a big AMD fanboy but I'm pretty disappointed with Vega, not necessarily the performance but the power consumption is pretty damn high.
AstroTrain100,
You got it running, but you have a power consumption issue? What is your problem here, the WATT the issue, why? What problems you have with that?
What do you mean got it running?
I'm building a itx build in a small form factor case, the less heat and power draw the better.
because power causes heat. thats how conservation of energy works. if you put power into something its converted into another form of energy(like heat).
and heat causes sound. assuming you actually want to cool your card.
Issue is, we want tech to move forward with performance/wattage not backwards. Hope this is not a trend and that volta will have even better performance/wattage then pascal.
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_64/31.html
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_64/29.html
Balanced mode for heavy games and power saving one for old or light ones will be enough for any gamer not on 4K Ultra quality imho. And the launch driver NEVER is the good one for AMD. We will probably see again a replication of what happened with Fury X and 980Ti (stock one). Now, Fury X has reached 1070 at 4K where back then it was behind the stock 980Ti.
I can't help to think it's the Team Rocket edition due to that red "R" logo on the fan when I see the Vega 56.
Agreed.
2:23 Did that chart say that Vega 56 uses GDDR5?
Edit: The amount of steam processors is also wrong. RX Vega has 3,584 not 3,854. *Credit to Razamatraz for noticing that.
Apparently, yes. It actually uses HBM2, as noted in the previous charts. Sorry!
One could say they "dropped" gddr5 ;)
lol
Linus Tech Tips At the same minute, didn't the Vega 64 Liquid Cooled had 16 Gb HBM2?
It says 8Gb
Alexandre Moussy lol idiot
that gpu has more vram than my pc ram... i think i need to upgrade my pc...
same
bshxh Thats fucking clever dawg!
Your profile picture alone is older than half the people who will watch this video
pro vega has 4times more vram than my ram
TimGaming88 i have only 4gb
Pov: you’re coming back to see amds last flagship
Nice Video Editing :) Whoever did it, thumps up dude !
Kirby 1810 yeah thumps up!
*BUT* I think we can all agree that the Vega looks _dope_
poppet pala Definitely, I'd replace my 1050ti look for that
Derek XIII I'd do water cooling just for Vega. That won't happen anytime soon though.
Honestly not fond of the ref designs. I'm keen to switch my 1070 to a Vega once AICs (_if_ AICs are available...)
A Strix Vega would be pretty dope.
The limited edition ones do, but the black shroud continues to look awful.
Who actually cares about the look? Founders sucks anyway. Everything besides aftermarket designs is a nono, except you switch to watercooling anyway.
Conclusion, we shouldnt have waited
Edit : We should have waited
Dilan edit: edit: we shouldn’t have waited and bought used 10’s
bruh nowadays Vega 56 is such a great value (>$200)
Just picked up one for my buddy. Vega 56 Red Dragon. It came with the Samsung memory so we flashed the Bios to Vega 64, undervolted, gave it more power and finally OC'd it. We got that baby to stay at 1650mhz and perform only 9% worse than the stock RTX 2070.
I just ordered one. Good price
@@lussor1 HBM2 memory is Manafactured by either Samsung or Hynix. If you get the Samsung made memory, you can flash the GPU BIOS and bascially make the card a Vega 64.
600 in argentina
Bought one yesterday for USD 188!
How the fuck did Linus get on damn trending?
because he's linus.
Flameslinger21 T cuz Linus sex tips
Flameslinger21 T sponsored by amd?
Linus Trending Tips
Flameslinger21 T the miners googling this cards performance.
5 months later...everyone wishes they can get them @ $599.
Still rockin' that vega 56
just after 2 years a used vega 64 is about 290-350 $ and that's so good for it's preformance
A new 56 is 270 now
I found a Vega 64 for 23000Serbian Dinar(230$)
bought mine for 200€, can't wait to test its performance!
The wait is finally over.... *tearfully adds a 1080ti to the basket*
I know the feeling. I bought a freesync monitor a month ago but solely for the 144hz/1440p. Freesync didn't even factor into my decision. I would have liked to have paired it with a Vega but neither the 56 or 64 can give me the frames I want. I don't believe in the "FEELZ BEFORE REALZ" freesync arguement and the 1080ti is objectively better so I got one second hand.
2:55 he predicted the future !
HMMMM.... performs equally to a 1080, costs the same as the 1080 yet double the power consumption. To conclude rx Vega was a over hyped flop.
>has hbm2 memory
>has hbcc allowing for basically unlimited vram
>powered by two six pins and can be overclocked and undervolted for lower power consumption
>now costs about 100 or so euro
You were saying?
Freakin amd cards draw more energy than a 3rd world country.
TH-cam5000 So none?
@@nash6662 LOL
xD
@cgwworldministries ?? a graphics card wont crash your solar panel ecosystem
I'll admit, I used some of the powerful video card I ALL READY OWN to do a bit of cryptocurrency mining when I'm not gaming on my computers, but OH MY GOD. I am getting so fucking pissed off about the miners buying up all the fucking video cards!
EDIT: To some responses to this comment. The Bitcoin is currently worth $4388 USD per unit as I am currently writing this. However, with my GTX1080 I have, even overclocked, I only make a max of about $2.50 PER DAY (full 24 hours) with the amount of bitcoin I mine (somewhere around 0.0005 BTC/Day, and no, I'm not mining Bitcoin directly, I'm mining Altcoins that are efficient and converting them to Bitcoin). Then I make another 50 to 70 cents from the 970 I have in a mITX PC I built a while back. All in all, after a few weeks, I've made around $60.
Given how small that really is, considering I have a job, and that it's impossible to play video games while my PC is mining, yea, I have no problem turning my miner off for a few hours to play video games.
Yeah. For me in the UK there's virtually no way for me to track down RX 580s at a decent price.
Sachi Game should be going down "soon". Miners seem to be heading to cards built for mining instead of graphics cards.
There is no such thing as "cards built for mining."
LiveBacteria I don't think are "built" for mining, but they are much more efficient than regular gpu's
LiveBacteria There is. Google "mining ASIC".
I am pulling better fps in recent games with the Vega 64 then with the 1080.
BRUH HOW
The real story for me in all honesty is not about either AMD or Nvidia hardware it's about the state of games in general. If you look down a list of popular games the framerates are all over the place, sure some do well on Nvidia some do well on AMD but many just absolutely SUCK on both! not getting anywhere near 100Hz at 1440p.
I don't mind spending $600 on a graphics card but I do mind spending $500+ on a 144Hz moniter when only a handful of games even come close to that framerate.
I'm sure many money grabbing lazy developers love the fact that the community spends its time arguing over hardware that is essentially the same when infact the biggest thing holding back gaming is bad developers!
Ryan K fire those developers! They should all have moved to Vulkan in 2017
It's annoying to see, I get that small studios and indie developers will struggle but many AAA developers do it on purpose.... Cough Ubisoft and their "the human eye can only see 30fps" crap.
was looking for someone who was looking at the bigger picture thanks
I'm glad that someone else _finally_ saw that. On all the reviews, I couldn't help but think, "...I don't want to play that at 40fps for $400-$600." But, the reviewers seemed to have all the details maxed on everything.
Should we talk about the graphic development that has been absolutely non existent for these past 2 years? I don't wanna be that guy, but really the problem is that developers don't give a shit about PC, it's all about console.
Bought a vega56 strix gaming card 1 year ago and i just love it. Never had any worries and i destroy blender and premiere pro with it.
@Nice Guy it's amazing tbh
@Nice Guy i measured the power usage of my gpu and i can't quite remember how much it exactly draws but its not alot so i dont do that.
I undervolted it though!
I've bought used Vega 64 Asus Rog Strix OC nine months ago. Got it for under £200 and it seems to be a better deal in 2021 than it was in 2020.
Should I buy this or wait for Vega?
Mikael Soltaniha
Buy a GTX 1080 if you can get it for a good price, almost the same performance and better power consumption.
What's a GTX1080?
Mikael Soltaniha I hope you are kidding...
Of course I'm kidding.. I'm watching a review of Vega.. I was messing with ElJackale lol
Wait for Intel
RTX 2080 or wait for Navi?
Start the meme now!
no
You mean RTX 2070 or wait for Navi
Hmm, I was hoping to switch out my 1080 for the 64 (for a full AMD build with my Ryzen 1600x) but damn, power consumption and the fact that miners scooped up ALL the 64s on Newegg made the decision for me. No.
Les Carpio get the 56
Majd Abokassab He has 1080 what are you smoking. 1080 shits on 56
TheTurtleOffDoom oh I was not being attention about what he wrote I thought he own 1070
TheTurtleOffDoom plus I don't smoke 😐
Even with a 1070 you would not waste the money to get a 56.... That would be so dumb
U had a great opportunity to compare the seamlessness of the video with synergy
but the real question is why didn't linus drop it
GameGabe Technology is slowly becoming Linus proof.
Because they didn't allow him to pick it up ;P
Loved that intro: WAIT FOR VEGA! XD
380 Watts?! That's double the 1080 Ti. Sorry AMD. I was super keen for Vega but that's too damn power hungry.
I'm so glad I stumbled upon your channel Linus. Informative, precise, easy-to listen to and a joy to watch.
Keep up the solid work dude!
4 years later, my rx vega 64 has been kicking ass and running quite a few modern triple A titles to near top settings.
That’s a lie a have one and it barely gets 60 on high 1080p
@@StillBrokeOff yours is a lie too then because mine runs most modern triple A games at 4k60 on medium or 1080p90 on high
@@mxmobile5619 no way i literally have proof
@@StillBrokeOff is yours running stock clocks or overclocked? Mines overclocked to hell and back with water cooling and custom drivers.
@@mxmobile5619 stock but overclocked it ran same or worse so idk if it was the card itself
might as wait for RX Andromeda and GTX Einstein. 🤷🤷🤷
"You actually need both 8 pins for these cards"
*3 years later* "Both cards have triple 6pin connectors and consume upwards of 500w peak load"
In 2020, vega 64 is now available for only 200 dollars used, and I bought two for my gaming rig
AMD Vegan.
Tyler Patton tbh no
Loud, annoying, mostly hot air?
yes?
I'm actually a vegan. This offends me.
ABaumstumpf rekt.
DUDE YOU'RE NOT OLD, STOP IT WITH THAT
but linus seriously, you have the face of a 25 year old IT student
He's like, turning 31
It's OK exactly, so why make the I'm old joke
why dont you test in 4k resolution?? i think every cards in the same level of gtx 1080 can run game at 4k
they can run any game at 4k, but imo they are made for 1440p and 1080p, maybe 4k but thats if you want to sacrifice some FPS, if i was you i would wait for another generations of cards if you'r looking for 4k gaming in 2017+ (just my opinion)
Because he's Linus. He benchmarks GPUs at 1080p and CPUs at 4k
Linus, you nailed those price to performance graphs. I would love to see a video where you compare all the reference cards of the latest gen of gaming cards for both AMD & NVidia to see which has the best price:performance ratio.
It sold out in Newegg in about 20 mins
Vega 56: $500/1070 performance, Vega 64: $600/1080 performance. AMD just hiked up the msrp under the excuse that the advertised pricing was for "early-adopters only." Why is AMD able to get away with anything, imagine if Nvidia did this, people would be outraged, screaming that they are being ripped off, but when AMD does it everyone quiets down and accepts it. Do people not understand the only way to make a company improve is to give it backlash?
"We couldn't even find a GTX 1070 for less than about 430$". But do you think you'll be able to find a Vega 56 for less than 500$ before the price of 1070 go down?
its hard finding them for under 1000 now
I would kill for an vega 56 at 500$
Gonzalo cativa in that case bring a gun, mask, and 500
I just got a used 64 for $250! Crazy deal
Liked the editting in this one Linus, looks like your huge investments are paying off!
Cheapest vega 64 in germany 650€
Cheapest 1080 ti in german 700€
Rip amd.
I can do better:
Cheapest vega 64 in Switzerland CHF844
Cheapest 1080 ti in Switzerland CHF741
Yeah...
its miners card
I'm still excited about AMD's CPU technologies and improvements but I'm not going to lie, I was hoping for a more vast improvement with their GPU's. Hopefully, Navi will be the big step up that we all want to see!
This is just a strange time to shop for any GPU's except if you have the cash you're probably better off just getting either a GTX 1080 or 1080 Ti.
This sad performance will make nvidia hold of gaming volta graphics cards for even longer. I'm thinking they might do a pascal refresh first.
Makes sense, really. The net effect of this will be the forcing of prosumer and low end professional markets into the "industrial" market of Quadros, etc. where they previously used Ti and Titan models. Intel did the same thing until recently.
carzacc what's the point of saving a few bucks on an amd card, when in the long run, you'll lose more money due to higher energy bill?
It's not even clear there's a savings to be had. The MSRP of Vega 56 is $400 while 1070s were selling as low as ~$330 before the mining boom, with ~$360 being somewhat common. If Vega 56 holds at $400 and the product is actually available there is a case to be made but if the price shoots up and/or there is nothing to be had until 2018 then AMD has basically abdicated two hardware generations, starting from the non-answer to the 980 Ti, which they still struggle against even with this new product lineup.
I doubt it, they didnt hold their pascal line up and amd was on the same situation back then
Hey Intel does the refresh of the refresh.
If anything I would buy a Vega card purely for the looks of it. Love the design and the white.
MY NVIDIA GTX 1080s ARE SAFE!!!!!!!!! not gonna lie those Vega cards look clean I would probably buy one if they offered the same performance
Quality Intro👍
Marko Thom I enjoyed the floating Snoop part.
Ima wait for the 1150 cuz I'm poor
LMAO WTF it'll be about 1050 ti
Don't wait for volta. get 1050 ti or 1060 3gb
박준우 I'm over here still with my 950
Over here with the 1050 ti
I am loving my vega card, i have the MSI RX Vega 56, and it's amazing. i'm absolutely in love with it despite it's incredibly massive size (it's as long as my forearm)
I wouldn't wait for Navi they will have 2nd place as always.
Arthie good csgo meme
AMD hasnt made a good GPU since the 7 series. Bunch of fucking dissapointments
why is that?
protip: mouse without borders does what synergy claims to and is free
Comparable performance at only double the power draw, what a great option!
Takes 5 mins at most to undervolt... NVIDIA is for simple plebs it seems.....
After 9 years of development, I hope it was worth the wait
And only now am I regretting getting a 'shitty' first-stage EVGA GTX 1080 SC with 8GB/10Gbps back in August 2016 for $650.
I really should've just waited for the 1080ti.
XOLiD Bruh I'm here with my R9 380 ;_; That shit costed me $340 lmao
Hey your power bill thanks you.
XOLiD at lrast you didn't buy a 960 a week before 1080 annoubcement :/
But those two cards are in completely different performance tiers. You would only regret it if you bought, say, a 1080 and had money to spare a week before the 1080ti released.
Don't feel too bad. You would have had to wait until April of this year to get a 1080Ti. Even then, unless you got one really early, they are much more than $650. I have the ROG Strix OC 1080Ti, that I managed to snag for $779 at launch, but now those go for $799 everywhere. The non OC Strix card is still $760, the cheapest 1080Ti I've seen is the Gigabyte which is still $719. I have yet to see one below $700, even though the MSRP is on founders cards is $699.
*If only you could find a Vega Card at msrp and in stock ;(*
£660 on Amazon? I could almost buy a 1080ti for that.
"You actually need two 8 pin connectors for these cards, ouch"
*Me staring at the 3090 in my pc*
"Yeah about that..."
I'm early yay...coz mostly I watch LTT latest videos 12 hrs. ago coz I'm from the other side of the earth :)
Amd still can't make a card that doesn't use a ridiculous amount of watts!
have you heard of the rx 580?
FastMax the rx580 just proves my point even more
the rx 580 is pretty efficient for its computing performance though, thats also why its so popular for miners
calcyss it's less efficient than a 1070 which performs way better
rayn man I said for its computing performance. Thats where the 1070 is *quite a lot worse.*
Also, the 580 is a tad cheaper.
They better not be hot.. I don't want my computer catching fire from insufficient cooling
if i remember right that happened with an another card
Yeah, the EVGA GTX 1080 and 1070. Oh, and the GTX 480. Funnily enough, despite the stereotype, it seems Nvidia cards have had more serious heat problems than AMD ones.
R9 290 reference design user here, it's lit
Lol Wait a minute Akula, Nvidia cards are the hotter bunch? Listing 3 examples of not even very hot cards except from the 480 which I had in Sli in 2010, can vouch for it. Amd has released constantly hot and power hungry cards since the beginning.
EVGA GTX 1080s and 1070s caught fire and exploded, even after the application of thermal pads designed to stop this. And the GTX 480 is a goddamn meme for being hot, yours might have been fine but reaching temperatures of over a hundred degrees was not very uncommon.
Glad I bought a GTX 1080 last year. No regrets and every game run smooth as butter!
Idk why I’m here in 2022, but I am.
It’s amazing how irrelevant these are lol.
Vega 64 is a joke. $600 for 1080 performance? You can pick up a 1080 for $500.
Take into consideration freesync, and the increase in productivity.
OK, So I pay $100 more for a G-sync monitor and it works better. Or spend the same amount and get a Vega card and get Freesync. I had freesync It was not even close to as good as G-Sync. I guess if i made 2000 zip files a day it would be worth it. Look at the numbers again. As far as Productivity your talking about 10-15 sec difference. So after rendering a 30min TH-cam video you would save your self 2-3 min if that. Unless you sit and watch your videos render its not worth it. Also your talking about 1-1.5 amps more power draw. That adds up. Then add in the insane heat the Vega cards put out.
MISFITSWITCH Quit your exaggeration. I have used 1440p monitors rendering freesync and g sync, literally no difference.
thing is, g-sync monitors are way more expensive than free sync ones.
I paid $425 for a dell 27" 144hz 1440 monitor. I ran a RX580 with my LG 2560x1080 monitor and it had screen tearing. Went to G sync and it all went away. Using a 1070 now.
but why o why no 1440p benchmarks.. its more useful for this cards targetted buyers imo.. other youtubers have them yes but LTT is my go to reviewer
Realllllly should've gotten one when they came out, still sitting on my nano
LinusEarlyTips
haha
56 at least seems priced well, 1070ish performance at 100 dollars less (plus freesync). 64 is the more questionable product, doesn't justify its increase over 56 and doesn't quite reach the 1080.
it'll probably be more expensive than the 1070 here i presume. the 1070 is like 420€ here while the rx vega 64 is like 650€ here. since the TDP of the 54 is just 100$ lower i do presume that the vega 54 won't be below 500€.
When AMD graphics cards run better with Intel CPUs LMAO
Is it a good plan to buy the Vega 56 with an intel i7?
RGB Clan no. Get Ryzen.
maybe the intel cpu is faster for gaming
@@ICCUWANSIUT lol
Vega actually gets massively more power efficient when you use the balanced/power saving profiles and actually only result in a fairly small performance hit.
That said 1070-1080 performance at a cheaper price was all I really expected or wanted from Vega, most of us won't have the
cash lying around to pick up a $1000 GPU anyhow.
Not for me. I buy a GTX 1080Ti and a Ryzen. Best combo for me.
Is it just me or does Linus's watch look like a CPU?
Linus is a computer that's his CPU its on the outside to stay cooler so they make it look like a watch
Its a 122core 50mhz CPU so it gets hot
+popinmo Only 0.050 GHz? xD
Cooper Gates sorry just upgraded 2k ghz
Vega huh?
*GTX 1090 COMING NEXT WEEK!*
I honestly think that the bundles are not that bad for the launch of Vega. After a month or so I think that once companies like Sapphire and Asus start making their coolers for the Vega cards, AMD will change the price of the Liquid Cooled 64 from $699 to something more reasonable like $629 or $649. Or at least, I hope that's what they do
Linus is becoming danker every day
5:29 ?
wtf
It's called stupidly pointless editing.
Like having a shaky-cam next to one on a tripod.
you'll understand the edit when you watch all of linuses videos. basically linus said the same words some time ago in some other video so the clips were edited together. pretty cool imo
nah guys it's just them slipping subliminal messages
Because once again he is repeating himself about AMDs "strategy"
Vega was a fail. NVIDIA is laughing their ass off with VOLTA. Wayyy too late for release.
Plain Fitness it wasn't. Maybe at launch, but now it's competing with even the 1080
Unoriginal TH-cam Name it’s not
the vega core can compete with the 1080ti but it has its limited specifically power limits and a few other problems
Not anymore. Amd laughing at NVIDIA now for their $3000 gpu lmfao 😂😂😂
AudeyMATIK! Actually that $3000 gpu has an extremely good price/performance and even AdoredTv did a video on how AMD will have trouble competing with this
If this card can let me run most games over 60 fps at 1080p on ultra settings, or even 1440p or 4k upscaled on well optimized titles, while my CPU is a 12 year old i7-965e with 12 gb of 1066 ghz ddr3, you know it's still a beast.
Yeah might consider buying one due to being around 150 GBP on ebay
OMG THAT FIRST ONE WAS ME LMFAOOOOOO
Did you buy a GTX 1080 or Vega.
I want to know this too
Yeah
Which one did you end up buying
"Wait for navi"
;)))
Or buy a GTX 1080ti instead
Thanks for testing productivity and not only games!
What does hbm2 even do? What does it help with?
NexusSpacey It's faster memory
2nd generation high bandwidth memory.
It's just a faster HBM
What just happened @5:29 ?
I saw it too! So weird.
k31than haha chill dudes. Its just sentences that linus always do to support amd bussiness plan. He told that a lot in his past videos.
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Actually - The RX Vega lineup does have a secondary use! It can act as a room heater. In sweden, it's pretty cold in houses! I'll go get myself a liquid "cooled" 64 and heat up my room! Probably also an efficient heater, compared to other options :)
While I support AMD. I'll admit Vega is quite disappointing.
Where AMD succeeded in making a great CPU. They seemed to have flopped in the GPU department.
Even NAVI is a mess
OMG LTT IS #12 ON TRENDING
Fuck all of this bullshit, I'm supporting AMD, I don't want them bankrupt, maybe the 64 wasn't everything I hoped and dreamed, for.. the past 5-6 months, but whatever, fuck that, it'll still run my games smooth.
Only problem now, I still can't find them in stock! fucking perfect! :)
iBoolGuy, nice but do yourself a favor and wait for partners custom Vega. I will wait for xfx to show up and if it is like Rx480 8gb, I will pull the trigger.
thesilviu silviu even if I were to buy reference card, it's nowhere out there, was just released and already gone, at this point I'm desperately hoping to get one..
Nah, they deserve to go bankrupt after this
If they go bankrupt, nvidia and intel prices will be unpayable, and if u compare improvement rates, AMD has improved a lot faster than nvidia in recent years. If they keep it, they'll be leading in performance and products in one or two years
funny how the "wait for navi" dude was right :D