"I play an X card. This scene is triggering me" "OK - let's roll this back. Suddenly there is a flash and your character no longer exists in this world. Bye. Don't let the door hit you on your way out" I gate keep to keep weirdos away from any game I run.
Safety tools are extremely stupid. I tried to think of more to say but contemplating safety tools made my mind shut down. It's too stupid to comprehend.
It feels to me like second and third were very much of that sort. The only things I ever looked at in the 3e dmg was the magic items, and very rarely the random dungeon generator.
Well according to some that's possibly intentional, because they would rather have an AI DM in the vtt. It would be impossible for any program to do an effective job of dming a normal RPG campaign, but if you change it into one where the players have most control, and the world is not really a living world, then obviously it's easy to have an AI DM.
I haven't look at it but I recall the original leak about the bastion rules was the bastion also becomes a magical Santa castle that gives gifts to PCs each new level up.
They don't, these are the people that will go onto social media and claim to be "fans" or "part of a hobby". For especially D&D/TTRPGs, online there's entire discussion boards/discussions where there's people pretending to be experts at the time while never having played the game and are always "still preparing" or "looking for players/GM" These people's hobby is talking about the game (or other hobby) they don't actually participate in, and like Pundit commented earlier, a large part of them are just in it to spread their politics.
Reminds me of our final 1e session in 1987. We had been playing these characters since 1983 and we were going our separate ways in life. We decided a final one shot where we would all die horribly. One of the players was unceremoniously appended to a wall by his scrotum. I died of starvation wandering blind the depths of the ocean with a ring of water breathing. It was brutal but it had to be done.
My immediate impression of new wizards d&d is that these people don't actually play d&d, just from the tone presentation of a lot of their material's text: Fundamentally, if you play, you don't want vague, conversational round about explanations of rules. You want direct clear writing that's organized.
🙅♂️X-CARD! How dare they use the term _Master_ in any shape form or fashion!😫 Don't they realize how triggering that word is to all the weak willed they/thems out there?!!?😵💫
If I ever publish my own game, I’m tempted to include a game-mastering section detailing how to build a gaming group without any postmodern snowflakes.
Great vid! Shining a light on the erosion of a once great hobby. You should team up with joethelawyer he’s doing the same. His channel is pretty good. Big focus on the OSR.
@@RPGPundit Neuroshima, Polish ttrpg influenced by Mad Max and Terminator, much less Fallout. IT has own and very unintuitive mechanic. There is English translation.
I'm pretty sure they put some versions of the lines and veils and x cards in previous 5e books like the abomination that was that ravenloft book. Also, if you go play d&d at a convention in their official organized play, there they are explaining these bdsm rules at the start of the game to anyone that signs up. Kind of messed up in my opinion.
Ultimately for me, it's about gameplay. WotC has eschewed anyone left that knows how to makes games. I've been reading old ad&d modules that consistently introduce some new mechanics to try that are incredibly innovative and creative. They don't all hit the mark, but they're iterating on the chassis to make a better experience with good twists. These people knew how to make games. Maybe they did have cheesy 80s/90s cultural perspectives, but the game was fun and that's what people want. It's obvious by now we're not going to get a 'game' from WotC. We're getting whatever the eff this is. Glad we can shuttle players off to better games.
Don’t these people have, you know, ‘friends’ to play with like I did? That way you can avoid all that crap and have a good time, killing orcs and demons.
They’ve come very close to making me hate the word bastion but alas, I won’t have my thoughts hijacked and oppressed by those who would attempt to destroy and annihilate definitions.
@@andrewthomas7202 it’s a curious concept isn’t it. They can only destroy, so must ‘adopt’ a symbol, a label, a hobby, a hero, a natural phenomenon, to use as their conduit for influence. Without it they would have no power at all. Personally; I’ve completely removed myself from any cultural input from Americans (and the EU). No modern music, no film, no TV, no modern books, absolutely no news media and no modern hobbies. The consequence of that is, I only have access to 40 years of RPG’s, 60 years of TV, 90 years of board games, 100 years of cinema 600 years of music, and a thousand plus years of writing. I’ll be alright.
As an arachonophobian my group actually has a form of "lines and veils" in the form of not going into too much details. One sessions it became a fun joke to call them "Spoders" too, so I do not fully bash the idea. Similarly, I've been in groups of absolute jerks that I feel didn't give half a shit about anyone but themselves, this shows that the ideas of BDSM talking things out makes sense even if the left often does it too the extreme. I can even see it as something as simple as "Don't make fun of dead wives when your friend just became a widower", only sometimes it's not as clear or the player more of an acquaintence who you do not know that deeply.
Talking about something isn't a problem. That's two adults interacting to come to a social compromise. But "safety tools" are the OPPOSITE of that. They removed the need for compromise by declaring one person the victim and the other the victimizer and giving all total power to the victim which prevents any kind of social negotiation in favor of a totalitarian interaction, where only one option is possible.
Here's my campaign world. Expect slavery, debauchery, working single moms, barbarism, racial and cultural prejudice and Machiavellian politics. If that's too much, the door is right there :)
I believe the older 5e Dungeon Master's Guide surpasses the 2024 edition, the video is a rant about a single page intended as an optional form for session zero, which allows players to express any discomforts they may have. Nothing to do with a woke mind virus taking over your DnD.
How I classify D&D. AD&D Survival Horror fantasy game 2e Infinite Worlds Young Adult fantasy adventure game 3e Character builder fantasy adventure game 4e Heroic fantasy tactical miniatures game 5e heroic fantasy adventure game 6e BDSM alt-lifestyle therapy fantasy game
This usurpation of the DM's authority sounds like the postmodern usurpation of authorial intent. I remember a graduate college English course where they discussed these "reader response" theories. It is one thing to say that the reader brings into the mix his own life experiences, but from that jump into the craziness that there is no longer authorial intent, and that it's the reader who solipsistically "creates" the story and anything goes? No wonder there's an epidemic of "Who cares? It's just fiction," Tumblr "art," and educated idiots saying "There's no canon in Tolkien." And, yes, I spread the word and shared the video. ;-)
Hey, maybe WotC should just go whole hog, have the DM tools section start by recommending a riding crop and ball gags. What better way to get the player characters to fear the consequences of their actions than by keeping a cane and pair of nipple clamps ready behind your DM's screen?
Isn't it more interesting without safety tools? I mean, there are very tame ttrpgs (GURPS has a few supplements like that, I think) that wouldn't need such things because the entire premise of those games is harmless. Also, there are some very legit rpgs for young children that do not verge into body horror or otherwise triggering situations for the safetyist they-thems.
Having a home base. That serves as nothing but a “safe place” isn’t necessarily bad. Unfortunately, it loses all usefulness if it is truly a place where the DM has no “power”. I know you can play solo-I just started playing one called Astroprisma that is surprisingly fun if you haven’t checked it out for review-and all the players can go DM-less if they want board game style dungeon crawls. Nothing is wrong with any of that, but without the DM/GM at least traditionally, there isn’t a real game. Without that interaction, the players may as well be playing a co-op video game, which I guess the style of VTT they want to push may as well be.
Roleplaying safety tools are the modern day equivalent of my gaming friend running crying to his mommy when his dad (the DM) hurt his character. It’s pathetic. My favourite convention DM got a lifetime ban because some do-gooder decided they needed a few minutes of outrage and fame on social media when they totally went for his throat over a misunderstanding. I’m sick of these people. Self entitled twits.
I sometimes question your social skills that you think that if a player says in session 0 that they have a veil that the DM is forced to accommodate that. Players are not entitled to play with any specific DM nor are DMs entitled to players to play the game with. If you're a DM that wants to run a seafaring campaign and one of the players say they don't want to do a campaign on the ocean, you can tell the player that this isn't the campaign for them and find a different table, you can offer a different campaign because maybe this group is a group of friends that just want to play together, or play a different game entirely like Catan. No one is forcing you to continue playing with a person just because a safety tool was used.
Well, no, of course. If you watched my earlier video on safety tools that would have been clear. Any serious DM will not bow to the whims of a player who doesn't want to go along with the campaign premise. However, the problem with this stuff being in the DMG is that some players will come to feel that this is in fact "rules as written" and will have that expectation.
NO. Safety tools, which I don't myself use or endorse, come out of trauma-informed counseling. Your attribution to BDSM is a slander. They address completely different aspects of psychology and have very different structures and applications. Just be aware, your attribution is false and a lie.
Trauma-informed therapy is considerably newer than the BDSM kink, and has been using safety tools for less time. Given the mental derangements of most post-modern therapists, I wouldn't be surprised if they also got their "therapy" from their fetish proclivities.
I don't think you use the word slander correctly in this thought. Usually slander is of a person not of an act or idea. Then there's the fact that BDSM is degeneracy so how on earth could you slander a social taboo. By it's very nature it is looked down upon by the majority of society.
Maybe I'm old-school, but I seem to remember 1st edition hammering home the point that "the character is not the player." How times change.
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Too many weirdos can't separate the two.
"I play an X card. This scene is triggering me"
"OK - let's roll this back. Suddenly there is a flash and your character no longer exists in this world. Bye. Don't let the door hit you on your way out"
I gate keep to keep weirdos away from any game I run.
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"I counter your X card with my reaction card! It does not take effect and now goes straight to your discard deck."
Safety tools are extremely stupid. I tried to think of more to say but contemplating safety tools made my mind shut down. It's too stupid to comprehend.
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I also have the reprint of the AD&D DMG and keep it handy as a reference. It seems like later edition DMGs were reduced to magic item catalogs.
It feels to me like second and third were very much of that sort. The only things I ever looked at in the 3e dmg was the magic items, and very rarely the random dungeon generator.
I'd argue that up to, and including, 3e, all DMGs had something of interest to DMs
This will really help with the DM shortage! Well done Wotc!
That's the idea, so DMs will either be AI or will be forced to buy the online adventures. You know, the recurrent monetization model.
Well according to some that's possibly intentional, because they would rather have an AI DM in the vtt. It would be impossible for any program to do an effective job of dming a normal RPG campaign, but if you change it into one where the players have most control, and the world is not really a living world, then obviously it's easy to have an AI DM.
Disappointed in the lack of "Dictatorship of the Rolletariot" Or maybe Rolling Idiots? Kinda rhymes.
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This is what happens when people are narcissists who have never been told "no" by their parents.
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These people are real bundles of sticks.
Curse you, Pundit, for putting a Village People song in my head first thing in the morning.
I haven't look at it but I recall the original leak about the bastion rules was the bastion also becomes a magical Santa castle that gives gifts to PCs each new level up.
Yes, it is totally about changing the world from a living world, to an arcade-game world.
How do these people even manage to play a game?
I don't want to know the details of what they play.
They don’t want to play the game. They want to force normal people to deal with their mental illnesses. Thats the closest to having fun they ever get.
Many of these people never really play a game. Their actual hobby is to enter other people's hobbies and make them political.
They don't, these are the people that will go onto social media and claim to be "fans" or "part of a hobby". For especially D&D/TTRPGs, online there's entire discussion boards/discussions where there's people pretending to be experts at the time while never having played the game and are always "still preparing" or "looking for players/GM"
These people's hobby is talking about the game (or other hobby) they don't actually participate in, and like Pundit commented earlier, a large part of them are just in it to spread their politics.
My wife is afraid of spiders, she copes with this fear by always playing a spellcaster with some kind of fire spell prepared.
LOL. That's awesome. Spread the word, share the video!
I'm not sure who's trying to normalize the DM being beholden to the players in his own game, but it stops at my table.
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Reminds me of our final 1e session in 1987. We had been playing these characters since 1983 and we were going our separate ways in life. We decided a final one shot where we would all die horribly. One of the players was unceremoniously appended to a wall by his scrotum. I died of starvation wandering blind the depths of the ocean with a ring of water breathing. It was brutal but it had to be done.
Me,me,me! It's all about ME! What happens when members in the group disagree?
They must be put in re-education camps, both characters and players.
Then whichever character has the highest Historic Oppression score gets their way.
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My immediate impression of new wizards d&d is that these people don't actually play d&d, just from the tone presentation of a lot of their material's text:
Fundamentally, if you play, you don't want vague, conversational round about explanations of rules. You want direct clear writing that's organized.
I agree. Spread the word, share the video!
I should have bought that fancy reprint when they came out
I got the full set as a bonus gift at the end of my contract with Wizards of the Coast.
Meatball: "Less than 3 feedings a day of tuna is a line that cannot be crossed."
She doesn't get more than one serving a week. Too much tuna isn't actually good for cats.
🙅♂️X-CARD! How dare they use the term _Master_ in any shape form or fashion!😫
Don't they realize how triggering that word is to all the weak willed they/thems out there?!!?😵💫
If I ever publish my own game, I’m tempted to include a game-mastering section detailing how to build a gaming group without any postmodern snowflakes.
@@Rabbitt-d6y …people who don’t have Kool-Aid hair dye jobs…
Just show them a picture of a happy family.
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Im sure a majority of Players wanted a Safe Space in Bastions! 🙄
It's so unbelievably stupid I was flabbergasted. Spread the word, share the video!
6:48 Sounds like what players would against a submissively accommodating AI DM.
Meatball Master's Guide.
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The new Bastion system seems like a waste of pages (about 20 pages).
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You'd think a section that said "no GMs allowed" would take up less space
Reduce GM power so nobody will want to GM anymore, introduce safe AI DM with a subscription, infinite money glitch discovered - Hasbro, probably.
Yup, that's the likely strategy. Spread the word, share the video!
Great vid! Shining a light on the erosion of a once great hobby. You should team up with joethelawyer he’s doing the same. His channel is pretty good. Big focus on the OSR.
Well, assuming he likes me, sure.
@@RPGPundit well we may never know unless you reach out. Lol
My players are opening closed churches and attending mass during my sessions. The campaign takes places in destroyed by nuclear war America.
Is that a 5e game?! If so, hilarious, and you should record it to drive the 5e libs nuts.
@@RPGPundit Neuroshima, Polish ttrpg influenced by Mad Max and Terminator, much less Fallout. IT has own and very unintuitive mechanic. There is English translation.
I'm pretty sure they put some versions of the lines and veils and x cards in previous 5e books like the abomination that was that ravenloft book. Also, if you go play d&d at a convention in their official organized play, there they are explaining these bdsm rules at the start of the game to anyone that signs up. Kind of messed up in my opinion.
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This new edition of DnD is gonna be fantastic!
...for content on the DnD horror stories channels. 😂
Yeah, I get the feeling that I'll be getting a lot of content from it. Spread the word, share the video!
the one that stands out above all else is the Meatball edition.
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Ultimately for me, it's about gameplay. WotC has eschewed anyone left that knows how to makes games. I've been reading old ad&d modules that consistently introduce some new mechanics to try that are incredibly innovative and creative. They don't all hit the mark, but they're iterating on the chassis to make a better experience with good twists. These people knew how to make games. Maybe they did have cheesy 80s/90s cultural perspectives, but the game was fun and that's what people want.
It's obvious by now we're not going to get a 'game' from WotC. We're getting whatever the eff this is. Glad we can shuttle players off to better games.
Spread the word, share the video!
Don’t these people have, you know, ‘friends’ to play with like I did?
That way you can avoid all that crap and have a good time, killing orcs and demons.
They don't have friends, they have "allies." And they secretly hate each other.
Not all gaming groups are made up of long time friends.
Yes, they do have friends and their theme song is
‘Hey, Kool-Aid!’
They’ve come very close to making me hate the word bastion but alas, I won’t have my thoughts hijacked and oppressed by those who would attempt to destroy and annihilate definitions.
@@andrewthomas7202 it’s a curious concept isn’t it. They can only destroy, so must ‘adopt’ a symbol, a label, a hobby, a hero, a natural phenomenon, to use as their conduit for influence. Without it they would have no power at all.
Personally; I’ve completely removed myself from any cultural input from Americans (and the EU). No modern music, no film, no TV, no modern books, absolutely no news media and no modern hobbies.
The consequence of that is, I only have access to 40 years of RPG’s, 60 years of TV, 90 years of board games, 100 years of cinema 600 years of music, and a thousand plus years of writing.
I’ll be alright.
Ron Edwards writer of Champions Now? ~Brian
wotc: our game is too hard to run for DMs! What can we do to encourage more people to DM?!?!
also wotc: * *fires all DMs* *
Except that 5e DMG (2014) was full of fantastic resources for making the GM's work easier.
Aaaa 👌 it's a meatball 👌
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As an arachonophobian my group actually has a form of "lines and veils" in the form of not going into too much details. One sessions it became a fun joke to call them "Spoders" too, so I do not fully bash the idea. Similarly, I've been in groups of absolute jerks that I feel didn't give half a shit about anyone but themselves, this shows that the ideas of BDSM talking things out makes sense even if the left often does it too the extreme.
I can even see it as something as simple as "Don't make fun of dead wives when your friend just became a widower", only sometimes it's not as clear or the player more of an acquaintence who you do not know that deeply.
Talking about something isn't a problem. That's two adults interacting to come to a social compromise.
But "safety tools" are the OPPOSITE of that. They removed the need for compromise by declaring one person the victim and the other the victimizer and giving all total power to the victim which prevents any kind of social negotiation in favor of a totalitarian interaction, where only one option is possible.
@@RPGPundit Absolutely, the conversation itself isn't the problem, the way it's implemented is.
Here's my campaign world.
Expect slavery, debauchery, working single moms, barbarism, racial and cultural prejudice and Machiavellian politics. If that's too much, the door is right there :)
"working single moms?"
@@RPGPundit Good Time Girls, Ladies of the night, Red light district operators.
Less savory descriptions also exist...
I believe the older 5e Dungeon Master's Guide surpasses the 2024 edition, the video is a rant about a single page intended as an optional form for session zero, which allows players to express any discomforts they may have. Nothing to do with a woke mind virus taking over your DnD.
How I classify D&D.
AD&D Survival Horror fantasy game
2e Infinite Worlds Young Adult fantasy adventure game
3e Character builder fantasy adventure game
4e Heroic fantasy tactical miniatures game
5e heroic fantasy adventure game
6e BDSM alt-lifestyle therapy fantasy game
This usurpation of the DM's authority sounds like the postmodern usurpation of authorial intent. I remember a graduate college English course where they discussed these "reader response" theories. It is one thing to say that the reader brings into the mix his own life experiences, but from that jump into the craziness that there is no longer authorial intent, and that it's the reader who solipsistically "creates" the story and anything goes? No wonder there's an epidemic of "Who cares? It's just fiction," Tumblr "art," and educated idiots saying "There's no canon in Tolkien."
And, yes, I spread the word and shared the video. ;-)
Indeed, very well put.
"Your deity has granted you new legs." ... X CARD!!
LOL
Hey, maybe WotC should just go whole hog, have the DM tools section start by recommending a riding crop and ball gags. What better way to get the player characters to fear the consequences of their actions than by keeping a cane and pair of nipple clamps ready behind your DM's screen?
5:27 the 2024 D&D DMG is out November 14th 2024.
I have it preordered just so i can pick it apart in a video.
I'll look forward to seeing that
@@RPGPundit
😊
Also the 2024 Dungeon Masters Screen out the same day.
Isn't it more interesting without safety tools? I mean, there are very tame ttrpgs (GURPS has a few supplements like that, I think) that wouldn't need such things because the entire premise of those games is harmless. Also, there are some very legit rpgs for young children that do not verge into body horror or otherwise triggering situations for the safetyist they-thems.
Having a home base. That serves as nothing but a “safe place” isn’t necessarily bad. Unfortunately, it loses all usefulness if it is truly a place where the DM has no “power”. I know you can play solo-I just started playing one called Astroprisma that is surprisingly fun if you haven’t checked it out for review-and all the players can go DM-less if they want board game style dungeon crawls. Nothing is wrong with any of that, but without the DM/GM at least traditionally, there isn’t a real game. Without that interaction, the players may as well be playing a co-op video game, which I guess the style of VTT they want to push may as well be.
It is bad, if the setting doesn't somehow reflect that in-world.
Roleplaying safety tools are the modern day equivalent of my gaming friend running crying to his mommy when his dad (the DM) hurt his character. It’s pathetic. My favourite convention DM got a lifetime ban because some do-gooder decided they needed a few minutes of outrage and fame on social media when they totally went for his throat over a misunderstanding. I’m sick of these people. Self entitled twits.
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You haven't addressed the positive side of safety tools -- the ability to erase gnomes from the game by simply crossing your arms!
If only that were true.
10:28 So are you saying this could lead to...Virtual Insanity? th-cam.com/video/4JkIs37a2JE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=36ES_SB9_xXZWmFc
I sometimes question your social skills that you think that if a player says in session 0 that they have a veil that the DM is forced to accommodate that. Players are not entitled to play with any specific DM nor are DMs entitled to players to play the game with. If you're a DM that wants to run a seafaring campaign and one of the players say they don't want to do a campaign on the ocean, you can tell the player that this isn't the campaign for them and find a different table, you can offer a different campaign because maybe this group is a group of friends that just want to play together, or play a different game entirely like Catan. No one is forcing you to continue playing with a person just because a safety tool was used.
Well, no, of course. If you watched my earlier video on safety tools that would have been clear. Any serious DM will not bow to the whims of a player who doesn't want to go along with the campaign premise. However, the problem with this stuff being in the DMG is that some players will come to feel that this is in fact "rules as written" and will have that expectation.
Is the answer Jesus ?
I certainly think the day will come when a lot of us will have to do the Lord's work...
@@RPGPundit I love your tendency to reply to my snarky comments and ignore my serious ones...... I think I made a serious one........
@@eclark1406 I am Jewish
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NO. Safety tools, which I don't myself use or endorse, come out of trauma-informed counseling. Your attribution to BDSM is a slander. They address completely different aspects of psychology and have very different structures and applications. Just be aware, your attribution is false and a lie.
Trauma-informed therapy is considerably newer than the BDSM kink, and has been using safety tools for less time. Given the mental derangements of most post-modern therapists, I wouldn't be surprised if they also got their "therapy" from their fetish proclivities.
I don't think you use the word slander correctly in this thought. Usually slander is of a person not of an act or idea. Then there's the fact that BDSM is degeneracy so how on earth could you slander a social taboo. By it's very nature it is looked down upon by the majority of society.
I'm just getting into 4th Edition and I'm loving it so far. Idk why it got so much hate. It's definitely not woke. :)
Awfully successful. Unlike whatever garbo you dump out
I'm sure the numbers are inflated.
@@nickmayhew9722cope
Woo lad, you showed him. Feel better? You likely bumped him up in the algorithm lol.
Garbo indeed... 5E is his child. This garbo is his red headed step grandchild.
@@BockwinkleB nah, he probably didn't contribute much if anything. Cope by a man kicked off the project for being weird lmao