Thanks Bruce great video. I like the idea of an electric scooter but not at that price. I ride a Honda Forza 350, which averages over 84mpg and which has a top speed of over 85mph and can cruise easily at 70mph+ on the motorway, making it great as a commuter but with the added advantage of being perfectly capable ( and comfortable) for long distance work. I brought it new in August last year and its now done over 12,500 miles including several longer tours. I believe it currently retails for £5699, so you could buy an awful lot of petrol for the money you save over the BMW. You need to try some of the maxi scoots like your buddy TMF. Quite a lot of us older bikers end up on them as the arthritis kicks in and other aches and pains make their presence felt - they keep us on two wheels - which has to be a good thing, when the weight of a bike and difficulty in getting your leg over some bikes these days starts to take effect!!
I think they purposely limit the top speed of this BMW because the effect of wind resistance increases exponentially with speed and kills the battery range.
I don’t ride unfortunately, but after watching this channel, I now really want to start. Our roads around Chicago don’t look as nice and accommodating as those in the UK however. In any case, great channel. Thank you for the great videos.
Enjoyed the review Bruce you had me in tears with your hysterical response to you thinking you had missed your exit, and being up the creek with no paddle, that would have been my response, that's why I was so amused. For that reason I don't think my old heart would stand such stress. So not for me till they do 200 + miles with a charge station on every street corner. Thank you.
We use the previous version at work, the longer range version which gives 120 mile range, top speed of 96mph, apparently 😉, they are fun to ride, comfortable, usual bmw refinements, they have eco, road and sport mode, Eco is pants. Yes it corners well but you do have to push the final lean on sharper corners. In the winter you'll get about 75 miles in road mode. I ride a BMW F800ST on my commute and the CE04 matches that for acceleration easily. We've had then for four years now and we have had no issues or problems with them. One point is they are very heavy and we've dropped then twice, and you'll need help getting them back up!
Hi Bruce, just got off the phone to BeMoto who were great in arranging a VIN number insurance deal for me on an italian imported Tiger800Xc. I made sure i name dropped you as id remembered you mention them in your vids. 👍👍
I imagine these would be popular in California with the eco crowd with plenty of money to spend and want to be early adopters, not so much in the UK price/range/practically wise etc. The Yamaha XMax 300cc scooter is a far better deal, over half the price, 75mpg, 13L tank, will do 80+ mph, huge under seat storage for two helmets/groceries/work laptop etc. I was curious about this BMW scooter for commuting so enjoyed seeing this video pop up in my feed, unfortunately it doesn’t make sense yet with price/range/storage, hopefully it gets better.
I think the best completion for electric scooters at the moment is a Honda Supercub C125 ( or similar ) I bought one S/H with 2,500 miles on it ,and about £700 worth of extras for £2,550. It does 180 mpg. That's 40mpl ( probably more if you ride it carefully ) It'll do 60mph, maybe a bit more, with me on it, ( nearly 13 stone ) I'm not too sure how much it costs to charge an electric scooter, but I bet it's not much less to run than the Supercub.
I considered the super cube, it's s lovely looking scooter. I chose the SH125i on spec. Front and back abs, traction control, large wheels and the two that mattered the most as I do deliveries, range and storage. It's also keyless and the stop start is amazing. What's your range on a tank?
@@1960ARC I agree about the storage. It's pretty useless on the Cub. I do have a rack fitted where the step-through is, which is very useful, plus I've ordered a big top box for it, which is big enough to hold 2 helmets. The tank only holds 3.7 litres, but out of that, I've had 150 miles. when I filled it up it still had about half a litre in the tank, which is about 20 miles. I thought that a bit tight so usually fill it up at 140 miles. Further news on the MPG subject - I filled it up yesterday ( always brimmed ) and I'd achieved 208 mpg using E5 petrol. I was amazed and double checked my calculations. I've got other bikes, so don't ride the SuperCub all the time, and tend to use it for the more mundane stuff, but with the price of fuel, possibly, reaching £2 per litre soon, it's certainly paying for itself.
@@Jaffa1951 yep, that state sure are making us suffer with this fuel hike. I think the cub is awesome looking. I've done 200 miles on E10 and about half a litre left in the tank. I've not tried to extend the range by careful driving as I tend to be doing deliveries when I'm riding.
That would be my choice too. Even new it's a quarter of the price of the BMW, and you can actually get somewhere without plugging the thing in for several hours.
Liked the vid Bruce but yes you should have taken it round the areas it's designed for in Towns and Cities. Horses for courses as they say, if you use it to commute to work and can charge there the cubby under the seat would probably be fine too, depending on size. My NC750X should fit a helmet in its cubby, not my adventure one no, mates open face with a small head, yes😁 As a BMW it's going to be expensive, there are countless electric scooters out there now cheaper with a similar range, but yes you do get the expertise and quality of the big German group. Thanks for giving it a go though👍
Editing in those detailed clips while talking about specifics really ups the video, keep it up! Closing in on C2W with the 360 cam footage too! 😉 By the way, really loving the podcast. I'm trying to catch up on them during my daily commute. Currently on #30 and can't wait to listen to the rest. Cheers!
It's a amazing looking bike, but for about £3,500 you can get a NUI GTS Pro which tops out at 45mph but has a range of 80 miles. & that battery is modular so you can charge them up in the office while the bike is kept down in the garage. But great review mate looking forward to having a test ride of my own soon!
One gripe I have with this bike is the 'storage' under the seat situation. It's claimed to be large enough to store a helmet but then it's where the charging cables go. So, why not have a separate storage area JUST for the cables? I use an electric bicycle to go to work so I'm not against electric vehicles.
I think they’re working off the assumption that when you’re off the bike and want to store your lid, you’re going to be charging the bike up using the cables, so the space will be empty and ready for the lid.
@@teapotone Possibly. But if they routed the cabling around under the seat (outside) and plugged it into a lockable socket it wouldn't take up any storage space. Just a question of packaging.
I just purchased one because it brought a huge smile to my face. Strictly for round town and my GSA for those long trips. Just worried about what my Misses is going to think when I sneak it into the garage. Thinking of - 'look at the price of fuel this week dear' ..... I'm being responsible.
Hi Bruce. The new 04 isn’t a patch on the previous evolution model. All the add ins in the 04 come as standard on the previous version. I’ve got one. If you fancy a spin on one in Sussex give me a bell. 👍🏻.
Great and fair review Bruce, there is a brilliant cafe a few hundred yards past bodiam castle called The Hub, one for future trips maybe, best sausage sandwich ever!
When I was ten, this is what I imagined I would be riding in the future, something like the hover bikes from Fireball XL-5. It's a pity it's twice the price it should be and with half the range. And it can't fly! Very nice design though, maybe when I'm ten again 👍🇦🇺
Keep the electric reviews coming. Electric rocks maaan 😎🤟⚡⚡⚡😜. Price on this one difficult to stomach, but a good job from bmw. I loved the test run. A pretty unique machine. Palpable apathy from the dealer.
Great review Bruce, be interested to see what you would think of the petrol maxi scooters. I love my AK550, so easy to ride in the city, and good for touring. I did a 1500km weekend on it this time last year and it was brilliant. My Vstrom 1000 is doing less and less miles 😂😂
There are companies already making battery packs to fit the storage compartment extending the range by double plus but they are not to market yet sorting the connections out and it will be removable for remote charging. This will change its nature considerably making it more worth a look. Different configurations are being tested currently but not market ready
Good grief that was edge of the seat stuff. I was hanging on for dear life wondering if the remaining battery would get you back 'home'. Phew I was exhausted at the end but so glad you made it. Great episode TP1, Loved it :-)
1. They should have fully charged the scoot before the ride BOOH! 75%! 2. Range Panic aside when you eased off it did sip the energy much less, given that you were riding the scoot well outside its designed commuter environment (keenly) it appeared to handle well And you made it back! ;D 3.Shame you didn't find a Type2 charge stop for lunch, would have been interesting to see with the quick charger fitted how that would have worked/ turned out. EV Tip - ABC = Always be Charging 4. Fun review Bruce. 5. It is early days for EV bikes and in 5 years we can look back at this and still have a good laugh, well done mate 😀
I am not sure why there's such a big push for electric bikes. For cars I understand, but they are inherently different kinds of vehicles. The problem with bikes, is being able to fit a large enough battery pack into the bike (and secondary not compromise the weight too much). With current battery storage technology it is just not feasible to get a decent range out of them. Never mind that the battery cost skyrocket as energy density goes up, hence the high price. They just are not competitive.
I’d argue the opposite. Bikes make far more sense as an electric vehicle. Light weight means you don’t need as much power or battery capacity. The problem technologically isn’t range it’s charge speed. My Ducati scrambler only has a range of 120 miles ish but you can "recharge" it in 5 -10 mins at a petrol station. If you could get 100 miles range in say 15-20 mins I think you'd have it cracked.
@@Durkan34 I think you totally misunderstood my point. Yes, I definitely agree that bikes make sense for electric vehicles. BUT, the increase in weight of a battery versus gasoline is much more noticeable and of impact as compared to a car. Plus you just dont have the space. And no, charge speed is not the technological problem. The problem is again battery technology, as the charge speed is inherently limited by the equivalent series resistance of the batteries. At higher charge rates, these have (linearly) higher losses and produce heat, which is bad for the battery. You CAN charge them much faster, but that comes at much higher risk and severely decreased battery pack life time. A 'recharge time' of 10 minutes at a petrol station is quite long, most people spend maybe 5 mins at most. Thats definitely not attainable. That would mean charge currents one order of magnitude larger than now. (resistive) Power dissipation scales quadratically, which would mean two orders of magnitude higher losses (and thus heat output). I don't think you would be able to push the charge time even to 15 minutes, as the current being pushed through batteries now is already extremely high. That implies that the only reasonable way to extent range with current technology is to increase battery capacity, which comes at the cost of weight and volume. edit: To demonstrate my point, this specific BMW charges with 6.9 kW quick charge. That would mean to attain 0-80% charge in 15 mins, you would require 30kW charging. That is the equivalance of about 30 clothes dryers operating at the same time!! Similarly in this example, the losses and heat output would go up by a factor of 18.5x. Getting rid of this at such a rate is practically impossible. Honestly, I think the current fast charging currents are already pushing the battery quite far. It doesn't come 'free of charge', as you will definitely wear down your battery much faster.
I think we’re dancing around the same handbag. You say “it’s not a technological problem” and then defined the problem. I agree it’s not just a matter of whacking more current in the current battery technology. I’m saying we need a battery/ charger technology that allows you to charge a modest sized battery very quickly.
I guess BMW what this to be like the Honda C90 that appeals to non bikers. A small scooter can go to the moon and back on a small tank. I reckon you would have to keep this for 15 - 20 years before you start to see any savings.
I rode one and honestly, if I had the cash and space for a second bike I would have bought it on the spot. I had a hoot and genuinely felt really cool riding it.
Would love to see a side-by-side comparison between this & the C400GT (probably it’s petrol equivalent?) I’m currently running a C400GT, but this would be an ideal replacement 🤔
Hi Bruce, we’re you testing the full power version? I test rode one about a month ago as I was considering replacing my C EVOLUTION. It was definitely quicker than the one you tested. I got just over 80mph out of he (displayed) and though it was a match for my C evolution on acceleration. Decided not to upgrade as I would have to find a big chunk of cash, the range is less and it is no where near as comfortable. Your welcome to compare it with my C Evo if you are ever up Chester way.
I like the look of it. Very futuristic, although it does remind me a little of the Sinclair C5. Be the Guinea pig for us and take a chance on the new bike 👍
It's clear to me now that this range "anxiety" has been mislabelled and poorly marketed when it actually provides the thrill of the ride. Loads of fun at the end. Since any old fat knacker can ride around the world these days it would be interesting to see you take an electric bike on a domestic tour/trip/challenge.
I love how these look, have done since the concepts. If you get it in the white with the yellow details and screen panels it gives me big Mirror's Edge vibes, which will mean nothing for anyone over 40 but still. However, does it give me anything I'd want over say the faster of the two electric Vespas, the 70km/h one, at £6300, or even the techy Silence S01 with it's removable battery unit at £4995 (if I was happy with the 30mph limit).. not sure. Do need to try these myself at some point.
I commute the A21 daily on a Honda nc750. I get a minimum of 75mpg. I'd get 85mpg at the speeds you were going. The bike is a 2017 and worth about 3k. I am open to the idea of an electric bike, but the range on this is way too small (might not even get to work and back) and the cost way too high.
I think how many bikes , for £14k I can get .......not for me, its another panic mode. ( will I get home to charge) , you be looking all the time at what charge is left..
This is a great video. I can't say I like battery operated bikes, as this is what they are. The technology is toxic. I ride a Honda SH125i that I've had just over a year. Done a little over 20,000 miles. I get over 200 miles on a tank of fuel and it does around 130 mpg. With its large screen has a top speed of 68 mph. Replaced the back tyre at 9000 miles, just about to get both front and back done. Belt is good for 16000 miles. It has, with its large screen pretty good weather protection. It's important to polish the screen or you find out it's made of rain glue! I wonder how much distance you lose by heating your arse and hands lol?
You can't compare it to a SH125. CE 04 is compleately another thing. (Acceleration up to about 50mph is more like a Forza 750!) Seat heating takes about 1-2 mls, but You don't need it permanently because it's very hot. Range drain of grip heat is almost nothing.
Interesting review Teapot but not in million years for that performance (range) at that price. I"m crossing my fingers for fuel alternatives &/or hydrogen cells etc as currently electric just isn't an adequate replacement for the combustion engine.
@@timvarley8589 Yes I'm sure you're right, just wishful thinking really. I imagine electric will be well & truly established by the time hydrogen cells etc would be viable.
A company has produced hydrogen on a disk, you would buy a cartridge containing many disks, each disk would give 25 miles range. However it's being suppressed due to U.S national security concerns. More like the 1% don't want us to be able to travel far.
You're not the target demographic, it's built for yuppies here in London, I see a few of them around. If I had fuck-you money I'd definitely buy one but I don't so I can't :D
80 miles range? You mentioned 76% and 45 miles - that makes about 59 miles total by my back of the packet numbers. So in reality even if you're kind you're going to be looking for a charger at 50 miles. Thats before degredation, cold weather and wet roads take their bit out aswell. I'm sorry but if I'm paying that kind of money for a bike I want it to be able to do more than pop to the shops and back before needing a very long, drawn out, forced stop. Why oh why do they not make these things with range extenders?
You’re grand Bruce, for 14.5k I’ve plenty of bikes I’d happily pay my €40 to fill up with go go juice, I could even think of a ton of 6k bikes that I could buy and just spend the rest on go go juice win win 😂😂😂
Interesting video. Can't see the point of this particular scooter. Futuristic looks won't last, totally overpriced, storage doesn't compete with competitors. Just my opinion but I can think of better things to spend 14k on. Wonder what BMWs reason d'etre was for this vehicle?
The cleanliness of the roads convinces me that it’s definitely a Dyson.
This comment!!! I am dead!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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I wasn’t sure initially but I really like the design. Got to commend BMW for being bold. Imagine what the next few revisions will be like
Thanks Bruce great video. I like the idea of an electric scooter but not at that price. I ride a Honda Forza 350, which averages over 84mpg and which has a top speed of over 85mph and can cruise easily at 70mph+ on the motorway, making it great as a commuter but with the added advantage of being perfectly capable ( and comfortable) for long distance work. I brought it new in August last year and its now done over 12,500 miles including several longer tours. I believe it currently retails for £5699, so you could buy an awful lot of petrol for the money you save over the BMW. You need to try some of the maxi scoots like your buddy TMF. Quite a lot of us older bikers end up on them as the arthritis kicks in and other aches and pains make their presence felt - they keep us on two wheels - which has to be a good thing, when the weight of a bike and difficulty in getting your leg over some bikes these days starts to take effect!!
I think they purposely limit the top speed of this BMW because the effect of wind resistance increases exponentially with speed and kills the battery range.
Seat Mo/Silence 01 Electric scooter/moped has about same range as this bmw but only cost £5000, so half price and better storage under seat
I don’t ride unfortunately, but after watching this channel, I now really want to start. Our roads around Chicago don’t look as nice and accommodating as those in the UK however. In any case, great channel. Thank you for the great videos.
Enjoyed the review Bruce you had me in tears with your hysterical response to you thinking you had missed your exit, and being up the creek with no paddle, that would have been my response, that's why I was so amused. For that reason I don't think my old heart would stand such stress. So not for me till they do 200 + miles with a charge station on every street corner. Thank you.
Cheers bud 👍
We use the previous version at work, the longer range version which gives 120 mile range, top speed of 96mph, apparently 😉, they are fun to ride, comfortable, usual bmw refinements, they have eco, road and sport mode, Eco is pants. Yes it corners well but you do have to push the final lean on sharper corners. In the winter you'll get about 75 miles in road mode. I ride a BMW F800ST on my commute and the CE04 matches that for acceleration easily.
We've had then for four years now and we have had no issues or problems with them. One point is they are very heavy and we've dropped then twice, and you'll need help getting them back up!
Hi Bruce, just got off the phone to BeMoto who were great in arranging a VIN number insurance deal for me on an italian imported Tiger800Xc. I made sure i name dropped you as id remembered you mention them in your vids. 👍👍
Thanks very much bud, appreciate that and glad they could help 👍
I imagine these would be popular in California with the eco crowd with plenty of money to spend and want to be early adopters, not so much in the UK price/range/practically wise etc. The Yamaha XMax 300cc scooter is a far better deal, over half the price, 75mpg, 13L tank, will do 80+ mph, huge under seat storage for two helmets/groceries/work laptop etc. I was curious about this BMW scooter for commuting so enjoyed seeing this video pop up in my feed, unfortunately it doesn’t make sense yet with price/range/storage, hopefully it gets better.
I think the best completion for electric scooters at the moment is a Honda Supercub C125 ( or similar ) I bought one S/H with 2,500 miles on it ,and about £700 worth of extras for £2,550. It does 180 mpg. That's 40mpl ( probably more if you ride it carefully ) It'll do 60mph, maybe a bit more, with me on it, ( nearly 13 stone )
I'm not too sure how much it costs to charge an electric scooter, but I bet it's not much less to run than the Supercub.
I considered the super cube, it's s lovely looking scooter. I chose the SH125i on spec. Front and back abs, traction control, large wheels and the two that mattered the most as I do deliveries, range and storage.
It's also keyless and the stop start is amazing.
What's your range on a tank?
@@1960ARC I agree about the storage. It's pretty useless on the Cub. I do have a rack fitted where the step-through is, which is very useful, plus I've ordered a big top box for it, which is big enough to hold 2 helmets. The tank only holds 3.7 litres, but out of that, I've had 150 miles. when I filled it up it still had about half a litre in the tank, which is about 20 miles. I thought that a bit tight so usually fill it up at 140 miles.
Further news on the MPG subject - I filled it up yesterday ( always brimmed ) and I'd achieved 208 mpg using E5 petrol. I was amazed and double checked my calculations.
I've got other bikes, so don't ride the SuperCub all the time, and tend to use it for the more mundane stuff, but with the price of fuel, possibly, reaching £2 per litre soon, it's certainly paying for itself.
@@Jaffa1951 yep, that state sure are making us suffer with this fuel hike. I think the cub is awesome looking. I've done 200 miles on E10 and about half a litre left in the tank. I've not tried to extend the range by careful driving as I tend to be doing deliveries when I'm riding.
That would be my choice too. Even new it's a quarter of the price of the BMW, and you can actually get somewhere without plugging the thing in for several hours.
Liked the vid Bruce but yes you should have taken it round the areas it's designed for in Towns and Cities. Horses for courses as they say, if you use it to commute to work and can charge there the cubby under the seat would probably be fine too, depending on size. My NC750X should fit a helmet in its cubby, not my adventure one no, mates open face with a small head, yes😁 As a BMW it's going to be expensive, there are countless electric scooters out there now cheaper with a similar range, but yes you do get the expertise and quality of the big German group. Thanks for giving it a go though👍
Another great review Bruce. Got to give BMW credit for the dynamic styling. Stay well sir.
Given the price of the thing I’d be surprised if I ever see it on the roads
Definitely -- T Max is half the price and more than twice the range...
T Max is actually a bit more new
Editing in those detailed clips while talking about specifics really ups the video, keep it up! Closing in on C2W with the 360 cam footage too! 😉
By the way, really loving the podcast. I'm trying to catch up on them during my daily commute. Currently on #30 and can't wait to listen to the rest. Cheers!
Thanks very much 👍
It's a amazing looking bike, but for about £3,500 you can get a NUI GTS Pro which tops out at 45mph but has a range of 80 miles. & that battery is modular so you can charge them up in the office while the bike is kept down in the garage. But great review mate looking forward to having a test ride of my own soon!
One gripe I have with this bike is the 'storage' under the seat situation. It's claimed to be large enough to store a helmet but then it's where the charging cables go. So, why not have a separate storage area JUST for the cables? I use an electric bicycle to go to work so I'm not against electric vehicles.
I think they’re working off the assumption that when you’re off the bike and want to store your lid, you’re going to be charging the bike up using the cables, so the space will be empty and ready for the lid.
@@teapotone Possibly. But if they routed the cabling around under the seat (outside) and plugged it into a lockable socket it wouldn't take up any storage space. Just a question of packaging.
can the cable go inside your helmet/?
I just purchased one because it brought a huge smile to my face. Strictly for round town and my GSA for those long trips. Just worried about what my Misses is going to think when I sneak it into the garage. Thinking of - 'look at the price of fuel this week dear' ..... I'm being responsible.
Hi Bruce. The new 04 isn’t a patch on the previous evolution model. All the add ins in the 04 come as standard on the previous version. I’ve got one. If you fancy a spin on one in Sussex give me a bell. 👍🏻.
Thanks very much bud, very kind of you to offer, may take you up on that 👏👍
Ur humor got me sold..as an American it's refreshing hearcthe accent, and ur take on bloods an crypts lmao!! Iam a sub!!
this is backwards step old model had more range and more storage also had sail mode so u could coast just crazy
Great vid, strange to see you riding on the roads round me, I live on bodiam road! Some good pubs nearby and the roads to rye are good for twisties
I’m out that neck of the woods all the time bud, I live over in Kent 👍
Great and fair review Bruce, there is a brilliant cafe a few hundred yards past bodiam castle called The Hub, one for future trips maybe, best sausage sandwich ever!
When I was ten, this is what I imagined I would be riding in the future, something like the hover bikes from Fireball XL-5. It's a pity it's twice the price it should be and with half the range. And it can't fly! Very nice design though, maybe when I'm ten again 👍🇦🇺
Why not put the fast charge as standard...why extra...Not actually helping the sales.
Keep the electric reviews coming. Electric rocks maaan 😎🤟⚡⚡⚡😜.
Price on this one difficult to stomach, but a good job from bmw. I loved the test run. A pretty unique machine.
Palpable apathy from the dealer.
Great review Bruce, be interested to see what you would think of the petrol maxi scooters. I love my AK550, so easy to ride in the city, and good for touring. I did a 1500km weekend on it this time last year and it was brilliant. My Vstrom 1000 is doing less and less miles 😂😂
agree with 100% removable battery , even if they had 2 and you could remove one at a time to charge indoors etc
There are companies already making battery packs to fit the storage compartment extending the range by double plus but they are not to market yet sorting the connections out and it will be removable for remote charging. This will change its nature considerably making it more worth a look. Different configurations are being tested currently but not market ready
80 mile range good enough for me. if i ride 50 mi i am ready to get off or be back at home anyway.
Good grief that was edge of the seat stuff. I was hanging on for dear life wondering if the remaining battery would get you back 'home'. Phew I was exhausted at the end but so glad you made it. Great episode TP1, Loved it :-)
for the commuting this thing is aimed at get a speed pedelec electic cycle instead.
1. They should have fully charged the scoot before the ride BOOH! 75%!
2. Range Panic aside when you eased off it did sip the energy much less, given that you were riding the scoot well outside its designed commuter environment (keenly) it appeared to handle well And you made it back! ;D
3.Shame you didn't find a Type2 charge stop for lunch, would have been interesting to see with the quick charger fitted how that would have worked/ turned out.
EV Tip - ABC = Always be Charging
4. Fun review Bruce.
5. It is early days for EV bikes and in 5 years we can look back at this and still have a good laugh, well done mate 😀
Hey dude loving the content recently 👌🏻 what is the vest/top your wearing?
Thanks Graeme, it’s a Helite Electrinic Airvest 👍
I am not sure why there's such a big push for electric bikes. For cars I understand, but they are inherently different kinds of vehicles. The problem with bikes, is being able to fit a large enough battery pack into the bike (and secondary not compromise the weight too much).
With current battery storage technology it is just not feasible to get a decent range out of them. Never mind that the battery cost skyrocket as energy density goes up, hence the high price. They just are not competitive.
I’d argue the opposite. Bikes make far more sense as an electric vehicle. Light weight means you don’t need as much power or battery capacity.
The problem technologically isn’t range it’s charge speed. My Ducati scrambler only has a range of 120 miles ish but you can "recharge" it in 5 -10 mins at a petrol station.
If you could get 100 miles range in say 15-20 mins I think you'd have it cracked.
@@Durkan34 I think you totally misunderstood my point. Yes, I definitely agree that bikes make sense for electric vehicles. BUT, the increase in weight of a battery versus gasoline is much more noticeable and of impact as compared to a car. Plus you just dont have the space.
And no, charge speed is not the technological problem. The problem is again battery technology, as the charge speed is inherently limited by the equivalent series resistance of the batteries. At higher charge rates, these have (linearly) higher losses and produce heat, which is bad for the battery. You CAN charge them much faster, but that comes at much higher risk and severely decreased battery pack life time. A 'recharge time' of 10 minutes at a petrol station is quite long, most people spend maybe 5 mins at most. Thats definitely not attainable. That would mean charge currents one order of magnitude larger than now. (resistive) Power dissipation scales quadratically, which would mean two orders of magnitude higher losses (and thus heat output).
I don't think you would be able to push the charge time even to 15 minutes, as the current being pushed through batteries now is already extremely high. That implies that the only reasonable way to extent range with current technology is to increase battery capacity, which comes at the cost of weight and volume.
edit: To demonstrate my point, this specific BMW charges with 6.9 kW quick charge. That would mean to attain 0-80% charge in 15 mins, you would require 30kW charging. That is the equivalance of about 30 clothes dryers operating at the same time!!
Similarly in this example, the losses and heat output would go up by a factor of 18.5x. Getting rid of this at such a rate is practically impossible.
Honestly, I think the current fast charging currents are already pushing the battery quite far. It doesn't come 'free of charge', as you will definitely wear down your battery much faster.
I think we’re dancing around the same handbag.
You say “it’s not a technological problem” and then defined the problem.
I agree it’s not just a matter of whacking more current in the current battery technology.
I’m saying we need a battery/ charger technology that allows you to charge a modest sized battery very quickly.
Perfect commuter, took a Zero out the other day, awesome bit of kit. Incredible acceleration.
Battery tech still needs to catch up!
I guess BMW what this to be like the Honda C90 that appeals to non bikers. A small scooter can go to the moon and back on a small tank. I reckon you would have to keep this for 15 - 20 years before you start to see any savings.
I love how you mention the world wide warranty. I would dearly love to see someone try to do a round the world on one of these. 🤣
Plenty of charging points in Azerbaijan apparently.
“She, her, him, they… whatever they wanna be called…” that gets me cracking, just waiting for you to say “ those things” … 😂😂😂
I rode one and honestly, if I had the cash and space for a second bike I would have bought it on the spot.
I had a hoot and genuinely felt really cool riding it.
A ‘weeble’. Showing your age there Bruce, you’ll have to explain that reference to the youngsters. 😄😎
Would love to see a side-by-side comparison between this & the C400GT (probably it’s petrol equivalent?) I’m currently running a C400GT, but this would be an ideal replacement 🤔
Ultimateaddons mirror stem mount will do the job Mr T.
Looks to be a crackin little EV scooter, I've always liked the way BMW Motorrad do things differently. Crackin Video Mr Teapot.
Hi Bruce, we’re you testing the full power version? I test rode one about a month ago as I was considering replacing my C EVOLUTION. It was definitely quicker than the one you tested. I got just over 80mph out of he (displayed) and though it was a match for my C evolution on acceleration. Decided not to upgrade as I would have to find a big chunk of cash, the range is less and it is no where near as comfortable. Your welcome to compare it with my C Evo if you are ever up Chester way.
Not a bike for me as I don't commute, but if I did, maybe. It certainly looks better than most electric scooters I've seen.
I like the look of it. Very futuristic, although it does remind me a little of the Sinclair C5.
Be the Guinea pig for us and take a chance on the new bike 👍
It's clear to me now that this range "anxiety" has been mislabelled and poorly marketed when it actually provides the thrill of the ride. Loads of fun at the end.
Since any old fat knacker can ride around the world these days it would be interesting to see you take an electric bike on a domestic tour/trip/challenge.
Ha Ha - consider it done 😉👍
Does regen apply the brake lights? Seems like an accident waiting to happen if not!
Yes, it does.
I love how these look, have done since the concepts. If you get it in the white with the yellow details and screen panels it gives me big Mirror's Edge vibes, which will mean nothing for anyone over 40 but still. However, does it give me anything I'd want over say the faster of the two electric Vespas, the 70km/h one, at £6300, or even the techy Silence S01 with it's removable battery unit at £4995 (if I was happy with the 30mph limit).. not sure. Do need to try these myself at some point.
(I'm 46 and got it 😜)
a good honest review as ever 👍 don’t think it will be long before our city’s are full of them ☝️ lol 😂 range anxiety is definitely a scary thing
i like the design and the idea of the whole thing, but the idea of J.Juan brakes on my BMW at that price is too cheeky for me
Love a visit to Bodiam :) It's a lot of money for what you get IMO, especially when petrol scooters are well over 100mpg.
Just a thought for the charging time and costs... How much is the coffee and snacks?
I commute the A21 daily on a Honda nc750. I get a minimum of 75mpg. I'd get 85mpg at the speeds you were going. The bike is a 2017 and worth about 3k. I am open to the idea of an electric bike, but the range on this is way too small (might not even get to work and back) and the cost way too high.
The SOC does affect performance, Im baffled at why they gave it to you at 76%
I have one since march '22 and I never have experienced any performance-cut because of low load (lowest was 17%).
I think how many bikes , for £14k I can get .......not for me, its another panic mode. ( will I get home to charge) , you be looking all the time at what charge is left..
What's the life of the battery, and the replacement cost......
Torobot & Hawaijar Charadi Tumninge !😀😀
Could I ask why you pushed a right hand button with your left hand? 🤔 Does your right thumb not work! 🤷🏻♂️👍🏻
No lol .
Scooters are not for me, not designed to be. Can't wait to see you try the new Energica Experia. See if it can take on the GS
Hi Bruce, question, how much does it cost to charge? At that price what about a Sinnis or Super Cub?
If you charge at a public charging pod, it’ll be about £2-£4 for a full charge, or at home via the mains AC then it’ll be under £2
Regarding the way the regen comes in; could you mod the way the rainbow profile applies the regen?
Nice review. Not my cup of tea but I’m sure it will work for some people. Wonder how long until the dealers have charge points?
This is a great video. I can't say I like battery operated bikes, as this is what they are. The technology is toxic.
I ride a Honda SH125i that I've had just over a year. Done a little over 20,000 miles. I get over 200 miles on a tank of fuel and it does around 130 mpg.
With its large screen has a top speed of 68 mph.
Replaced the back tyre at 9000 miles, just about to get both front and back done.
Belt is good for 16000 miles.
It has, with its large screen pretty good weather protection.
It's important to polish the screen or you find out it's made of rain glue!
I wonder how much distance you lose by heating your arse and hands lol?
You can't compare it to a SH125. CE 04 is compleately another thing. (Acceleration up to about 50mph is more like a Forza 750!)
Seat heating takes about 1-2 mls, but You don't need it permanently because it's very hot. Range drain of grip heat is almost nothing.
Interesting review Teapot but not in million years for that performance (range) at that price. I"m crossing my fingers for fuel alternatives &/or hydrogen cells etc as currently electric just isn't an adequate replacement for the combustion engine.
You’ll be waiting a long time for hydrogen, there are so many losses throughout the logistics train that its become the betamax…
@@timvarley8589 Yes I'm sure you're right, just wishful thinking really. I imagine electric will be well & truly established by the time hydrogen cells etc would be viable.
A company has produced hydrogen on a disk, you would buy a cartridge containing many disks, each disk would give 25 miles range.
However it's being suppressed due to U.S national security concerns.
More like the 1% don't want us to be able to travel far.
But ultimate add ons have a adhesive mount as I had one on my 1150rs
Charging idea = Parking Compalsary idea !🌀
Garage OK & Without OM can't keeping Lo ?😀😀
It looks like judge dredds bike
Wouldn’t give you a plug nickel for it or any other electric vehicle of any kind.
What about "Wheel"?🌀
have you seeen the energica experia ev touring bike yet?
Only posts on social media, I’d love to have a go though 👍
Me to, i wonder if it can support two up with loaded lugage. I hop Triumph with the TE1 project must be looking at a similar model soon.
So it costs approximately £14k and has similar performance to a 125cc scooter ?Aye no worries BMW think I'll pass thanks
You're not the target demographic, it's built for yuppies here in London, I see a few of them around. If I had fuck-you money I'd definitely buy one but I don't so I can't :D
Acceleration up to about 50mph is more like a 600cc scooter.
So using Dynamo ?🌀
Does the brake light display on echo mode deceleration?
Yes. And not just at eco mode.
Test the Tmax, its great.
Over Bridge no Staff wrong !🕵🌀
At least it's the correct colour for a massive white elephant and please don't compare it to the Tmax!
I'm rich & I live in Monaco, it's perfect to go to the yacht club.
🐝 Flying Voice ?😁😁😀😀🙏
80 miles range? You mentioned 76% and 45 miles - that makes about 59 miles total by my back of the packet numbers.
So in reality even if you're kind you're going to be looking for a charger at 50 miles.
Thats before degredation, cold weather and wet roads take their bit out aswell.
I'm sorry but if I'm paying that kind of money for a bike I want it to be able to do more than pop to the shops and back before needing a very long, drawn out, forced stop.
Why oh why do they not make these things with range extenders?
Id be up for an electric motorscooter, but the range is terrible, price way to high and not enough models yet.
You’re grand Bruce, for 14.5k I’ve plenty of bikes I’d happily pay my €40 to fill up with go go juice, I could even think of a ton of 6k bikes that I could buy and just spend the rest on go go juice win win 😂😂😂
Thought I was watching 44teeth sister channel Bike sausage
It's expensive for just pottering around town
Tajoy ?😀😀🙏
I don't understand electric, people comment there is no DC fast charge, Not sure what they mean, and if that's bad for me or not.
Don’t worry about, it is NOT the future 😉👍
@@teapotone Do you think the ce04 is compatible with any public charger?
@@honeyglazeham9621Yes it is. ("Type 2").
(I have one since more than 10.000km.)
When you liked to go there ?😁😁😀😀
12 Ready ?😀😀🙏
C4 Helpmate Show ?😀😀🙏
Looks like a Sinclair C5 body
DC = Economy of State
Maximum Speed?
120km/h
These only make sense if you lease on a monthly basis. They have no used value. So tempted for work and back for EV.
Spoke / Ring 😇
Hub / Motor
No
Top , ma è uno scooter che fa provato in ambito urbano non in strade veloci come autostrade .
at 2:09 are you in the wrong lane ;-) you cutting off the van
Humans make mistakes. That is a fact.
Interesting video. Can't see the point of this particular scooter. Futuristic looks won't last, totally overpriced, storage doesn't compete with competitors. Just my opinion but I can think of better things to spend 14k on. Wonder what BMWs reason d'etre was for this vehicle?
Spare Lo ?😀😀