REAL WORLD GH5 vs GH5s low light test and talk
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มี.ค. 2018
- I decided to throw my observations onto the web about the Panasonic GH5 vs the GH5s low light battle. Is a GH5 enough to cut the mustard for you? Do you really need the extra ISO range of the GH5s or will noise reduction and quick glass make it a waste of money? Which Micro four thirds monster should you take home!?
If you're asked any of these questions and want the answers of an owner and user of both cameras then stop in and give a listen and a look! I want to help inform consumers who are looking to take the plunge and hopefully save them some second guessing after they pull the trigger!
Stay tuned for gimbal, FOV and zoom lens performance comparisons between the GH5 and GH5s as well! As always Feel free to ask questions or share your experiences with either of the cameras in the comments!
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I've been poring over GH5 vs GH5s low-light comparison videos and this is the most helpful I've found!
Thank you! I'm glad it helped you out!
I second that. Very useful, and helpful info. Even if, as a rookie, half the technical jargon flew over my head (it's on me to get up to speed). :)
What was your major takeaway from it?
@@daveyineluctable5525 well my takeway is: I can't afford the S so the GH5 will do!
Thank you. You make it really easy for me to like my GH5+Sig 18-35 combo that if I need to get the job done, it can be done. As much as I love seeing what the GH5s can do in low light, what it lacks does not make up for shelling out more money for another camera for the odd shot. I like the GH5s, I'm happy to see it in the marketplace, I'm just glad most of us GH5 users don't have to lose sleep wondering about it. Much... lolz
This is one of the better comparison videos I have seen on the GH5 VS GH5S wars
Super useful for me, thank you! Really entertaining also :)
Best straight talk so far! Thanks!
These were great examples to show off the GH5s. Thank you!
Maybe widen up on the opening shot a bit. But, i honestly want to see more videos from you. This is one of the most well put together breakdowns I've seen. MAKE MORE VIDEOS!!!! Also, if you need footage demonstrating the gh5s on a ronin-s, I can get you that.
Hey there, thanks for the excouragement! I've had a very busy year shooting freelance work and have another channel covering cars that has taken a little bit of my time too. In terms of producing more videos for this channel, there will be a lot more content coming. Some has already been shot and some is example work of what I've done over the past year, once I've finished up a few more client project I'll be trying to focus on putting out some more videos between Dec-Jan since that's sort of my slow season.
"shed some light" nice. Good review and useful. Subd. Thank you.
Very insightful!
Thanks.. very good!
Great review!
Best GH5 vs GH5s video out there :)
Thank you for the compliment!
Regards from Stockholm!
Really good analysis of both cameras. I have seen suggestions for using the Nikon 50mm F1.4 together with the Metabones XL 0.64 speedbooster.
Is that a viable alternative? The stabilisation on the GH5 is so good. How effective, on the other hand, are Panasonic lenses with built in lens stabilisation with the Gh5S for handheld filming?
Which camera is better to use for Aurora borealis time-laps video?
From my experience with using NEAT Video on GH5 footage, when using V-Log, because the noise is more visible in the footage, you can actually salvage footage from the entire ISO range of the GH5 with excellent results. Sounds a bit counter-intuitive, but it's true. Give it a try...
if you use NEAT video you have to wait at least 1 month for rendering varius clips. NEAT is excellent denoiser but for a clip of 60 sec it take more than 3 hours to render in a good PC.
what pp did you use for the gh5s?
Nice test! Actually not all that many real world tests of the two cameras. Interesting that the S has a stop/stop and a half better sensitivity and the same DR. Considering how close the two cameras are, plus the announcement of the new Black Magic Pocket Cam, the $2500 list price for the GH5s seems a bit out of wack. Esp as you can get a new GH5 for $1700-ish if you look around.
I'm very curious about the Black magic personally, if it delivers on HALF of what it claims to I think it will put some real pressure on the GH line, and then there's the A7s iii... still unannounced. I think short of doing a LOT of low light shooting, or need 240fps 1080 most people would be better off just sticking to a GH5 and some fast lenses for the cost savings. Aside from my night testing I haven't personally found a lot of need for the extra sensitivity of the S just yet, but it's only a few months old now so maybe that'll change? I'm hoping to get a BMPCC4k to test out when it's released too.
This was hugely helpful (still in 2020)! Great side by side! I think the difference is staggering, both from a noise as well as dynamic range perspective. Also detail on lights and rain were amazingly different. Overall, the GH5s has a much more cinematic feel (not to abuse a stereotype). The difference is now (March 2020) $500 ($1,299 vs $1,799). Still a lot and many folks I am sure will gladly pass as the GH5 is still GREAT. However, given the cost for good lenses and other unnecessary accoutrements 😊 $500 seems to disappear quickly when looking at the big picture. For me, looking at the BMPCC4K vs. GH5 and the fact that I will be doing a great amount of low light videography the GH5s tilted the scales in favor of Panasonic.
So how has the decision worked out for you a year later…?
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@@superzero4250 I actually went with the BMPCC4K after all...….not regretting it. 🙂
Excellent test! Low light shooting is always about "lenses" and about more actual "light". It's not about electronig gain and higher amounts of noise reduction. If you look at the DPReview studio scene app/tool, you can casily see that the GH5 and GH5-S have the EXACT,....and I do mean EXACT same raw sensor noise performance when testing the same ISO's. This means the image sensors see the exact same thing in raw output. The GH5-S does have very advanced noise reduction in it's image assembly and video processing. But,...the God's honest truth is that the GH5 and GH5-S have the EXACT same sensor signal to noise ratio! They also have the EXACT same dynamic range as well.
Are you sure? As far as I know, the GH5S-Sensor is bigger than the one in the GH5.
@@niederrheiner8468 yeah the GH5S has a 10MP sensor, instead of 20, so more of the sensor is being used to capture the image, plus dual ISO.
@@BevanWard The sensor has a bigger area for Video indeed because ofit is a dedicated 16:9 instead of a 4:3 sensor. Look at the images here for an explanation: www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61726941
great content here.... Good job. Whats the lowest ISO you would shot with on the interior??? I think something went wrong with my camera... I a bright room I barely can see something on the screen with F.28 Iso 100-400 and shutter speed 125 when recording in 60fps... Image start showing up at 1600ISO. I dont think it worked that way before :/
It depends on the interior lighting situation really. A well lit interior I could expect to shoot around iso 100-400 probably with a fairly wide aperture, maybe 400-800 with a smaller aperture. In a room lit only by a table lamp or something I'd expect having to reach further to 1600-3200 iso probably. It's really guesswork though, since there's no standard for "interior" or "exterior" lighting.
Why don't you mention the Speedbooster?
Hi I am torn between GH5 & GH5S.
In fact I purchased and returned a GH5S unopened 3 weeks back thinking I was rushing and should do some more research.
Price difference is only £400 but mainly for music videos I wanted IBIS but might use steady cam with GH5S now.
GH5S with lens IS is it good enough as I like shooting handheld through viewfinder.
I'v preordered BMPCC 4K which might have exact same Sony dual iso sensor like GH5S.
Would you really recommend GH5S mainly for paid music videos and to practice narrative filmmaking or GH5 with IBIS would be better or enough if the image qualities are very similar.
Is it only low light performance that make the S better or the image quality colour and DR etc is also better than GH5?
How's the autofocus and other fixes after latest 2.3 updates?
Kindly advice.
Cheers.
Such a late reply on my part, sorry! The channel fell by the wayside as I shot freelance stuff this year! Did you get the BMPCC4K? How do you like it? It looks massive lined up next to other cameras, but I've heard nothing but good stuff about them. If I hadn't just bought a Sony A7iii I probably would have got one of those this year. Oh well, maybe I'll pick one up next year?
this is a very good review :) do you know if both cameras has the same video quality and sharpness?
Sorry for the late reply, they look identical in good lighting generally. No difference other than a touch more dynamic range and better light sensitivity on the GH5s.
that's determined on the environment, settings, and lens you use, best advice, use a lumix 18-35 lens
Hi - thanks - very interesting - What about the GH5S with IS lenses. I like the fact it'll do 10 bit 1080 as well.
With IS lenses I'd say it's not a problem to shoot photos handheld, shooting video handheld with a 100+ mm lens is painful. The 100-400 I shot with in the video has a very nice IS system on it but without the IBIS of the GH5 its not really usable handheld with a GH5s but can be with a GH5. On a tripod you wouldn't have much of a problem with or without an IS lens on the GH5s, on a gimbal I'm still not sure yet. I'll be doing more tests soon with the two cameras on gimbals to show what the IBIS present and absent does to a well balanced Ronin and Zhiyun tech crane setup.
Best gimbal for the Gh5 S ? Good vid thumbs up!
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Urban night settings : 30 fps / iso 1600 / T1.8 is fine, in standard PP, where you get some film grain like.
Commercial internal spaces are already a bit blone up... why would you want to crank to higher iso ?
The only explanation is you don't have real fast lens...
I use my GH5s with a Voightlander 10.5mm F/0.95, 17.5mm F/0.95, 42.5mm F/0.95, Pentax A SMC 50mm F/1.2, Pentax SMC 50mm F/1.2 (older version), Pentax SMC 50mm F/1.7, Olympus Zuiko 24mm F/2, 28mm F/2.8, 35mm F/2, 50mm F/1.8, 35-70mm F/3.6, 100mm F/2.8, 135mm F/3.5, 180mm F/2.8, 200mm F/4, 300mm F/4.5, Samyang 8mm T/3.8, Venus Laowa 7.5mm f2, Nikon Nikkor 50mm F/1.8, 19 different lenses of which I can use all of them in very low light. The GH5s is a game changer
Did you think iso 3200 in low light is usable?
Yeah I think it is personally, some people are hyper critical of noise in shadows, but the second ISO circuit kicks over at 2500 ISO IIRC so you're really only like 1 click above that lowest point on the second circuit, which is like being at 640 ISO on the lower 400-2500 circuit. In general my A7iii clobbers even the GH5s in terms of low light with imperceptible noise, but it only shoots 100 Mbps and doesn't have 4k60, etc, making the GH5s what I still reach for more often for low light shooting. I felt like things started to get noticeable at 6400 and iffy at 12800, but still mostly usable.
You should do these test on v log
I will make another video when I get the time showing the comparison in vlog, thanks for the suggestion!
It's Link from GMM in the future
Thats why i use 0.95 Voigtlanders Noktons for my GH5
As an owner of a GH5 and a GH5s, I'm loving my GH5S. I've been shooting with anamorphic adapters and full frame lenses with boosters. Although the GH5 has 6K with some limitations, shooting with an aperture at 4-5.6 the GH5S helps in most lighting conditions even at 4K. The IBIS is great and it works great. However, the GH5S' Dual Native ISO lets me have 12-14 stops of dynamic range @400, 800 and 2500,5000 ISOs!!!! No Other Camera does this under $5000! That makes me think of selling the GH5 for a 2nd GH5S. If these cameras came out at the same time or if I was considering buying a GH camera, I would Buy the S!
Steve Holt - I'm thinking of buying one with some IS Lenses. My video style is either on a tripod or hand held for 3 to 4 seconds - any movement is usually on a tripod fluid head or my small rat rig slider (looking at a edelkrone sliderone pro).
Mark Shirley Yeah with IS and simply moving smooth you can get the same shoots as the GH5. You do have to plan your movement more than when you have IBIS.
Steve Holt thanks for the reply - how do you find the back screen and touch focus on it - I think I would use that quite a bit with the work I do.
Mark Shirley I only have 1 M43 lens with AF. It seems to work but I very very rarely use it. IMO the M43 glass is way way over priced for how slow they're. For instance the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8 is very slow compared to a Full frame 24-70 and a speed booster. If the made the 12-35 and f.95 then it would at least be on par and justify the price. However with the 179° trick it does seem to be usable. In my testing it worked pretty well. I did use the touch to focus on the G7. It worked. But again you pay a whole lot for that option.
Steve Holt
Hi I am torn between GH5 & GH5S.
In fact I purchased and returned a GH5S unopened 3 weeks back thinking I was rushing and should do some more research.
Price difference is only £400 but mainly for music videos I wanted IBIS but might use steady cam with GH5S now.
GH5S with lens IS is it good enough as I like shooting handheld through viewfinder.
I'v preordered BMPCC 4K which might have exact same Sony dual iso sensor like GH5S.
Would you really recommend GH5S mainly for paid music videos and to practice narrative filmmaking or GH5 with IBIS would be better or enough if the image qualities are very similar.
Is it only low light performance that make the S better or the image quality colour and DR etc is also better than GH5?
How's the autofocus and other fixes after latest 2.3 updates?
Kindly advice.
Cheers.
This is my issue with the GH5s. You lose IBIS which is in my opinion the primary reason for buying a GH5 in favour for better low light performance. But hang on, get virtually any Sony and not only do you get to absolutely wipe the floor with any Panasonic camera but you also get fantastic auto focus. It would have been so easy for Panasonic to clean up here. All they had to do was leave IBIS in the GH5s and it would have been a no brainer. The low light wouldn't have been better than the Sony but it would have been good enough. But then there's the AF which for me and others, it's pretty important.
On the gh5 if your shooting in low light shoot in cinelike d not v log.
Less noise that way? I only shot standard for the comparison and since I bought the v log function I tend to only shoot seriously in it.
On the GH5s when I have it set to manual ISO i.e iso 6400 and when I start filming the display shows ISO A (Auto). Why is this?
agreed, GH5 good till 3200, GH5s good till 12800
Man, g85 and gh5 are great but low light isn't a small, niche thing. It's almost the only relevant thing for me which renders the qualities of these cameras moot. I'm getting an s5.
I moved into S cams also, an S1H and S1 were my primary cams, but I did try an S5. I liked it plenty too but it had smaller batteries than the other S cams and worse recording limits so it was the first S cam to go.
@@mrcmultimedia1498 Yeah that makes sense. I wouldn't mind uncropped 4k/10bit slowmotion but i think i can live with it. 4k 24fps looks beautiful from what i've seen.
Other cameras have other cons for me - size, price, ergonomics. The s5 + 20-60 + 50mm bundle is appealing at less than a gh6 camera house. My cameras are usually connected to a power source anyway, and with the s5 i can use usb-c and powerbanks for that (if i'm not mistaken).
As a bonus i could get excited about stills again, that won't ever happen with an mft. I just use my iphone for stills, last "real" stills camera i had was a canon 20d and before that analogue ones.
I think if gh5s has a better dynamic range?
I notice really minor differences depending on lens and angle, but IDK if I'm making them up or not. The GH5s seems to offer maybe a hair more in standard color profile? I intend to shoot some more controlled Standard, Cinelike D and LOG footage from both and make a quick comparison soon to try and settle what I'm seeing.
Cool! In that case, I am waiting for a comparison :) Thank you for your answer
You shouldn't be doing camera reviews
you should be writing comedy gold
(2:15) What am I not understanding about this statement. The GH5 “ABSOLUTELY” can shoot low light “4K 60p 420 8Bit 150mbps” in MP4 or MOV, with the right lenses. Anything between 1600 - 6400 ISO is often low light to many, at a quarter of FF sensor size, the 35mm equivalent 6400 - 25,600 ISO. There is a crop factor to consider for ISO too. Which in this case is times four.
Apparently, I am also a few years late to point this egregious error out. I sure hope 33K viewers fact checked this claim…
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there's really no seable difference between the 2 cameras, the gh5s basically gives it more processing speed power to reduce the noise
not really. the sensor has pixal binning which allows it to be superior to low light vs the Gh5. that is why the GH5s does not take high megapixel pictures compared to the GH5. The GH5s was made for cinematography.
@@stevenfries7032 > This every guy that read the advt copy of GH5s knows. But in real life does it show its effects ? i dont think so. Except for a very astute eye, the final results seem to be the same. Like MMO Archives says.
@@mgr5550 Consider I own both the GH5 and the GH5S(use the GH5 for its IBIS, day time shooting) I have tested both out in at night. GH5s is by far superior in low light and you dont need an astute eye to see it. This is the best example of GH5 vis GH5s, and I had very similar results comparing both of mine. You arent kidding anyone. check out the link. th-cam.com/video/EozTfVi9Ab4/w-d-xo.html
@@mgr5550 and I would also like to point out that not only does the GH5s have pixel binning to make it more sensitive to light; but it also has a larger sensor too. hence, why the 5s doesnt have IBIS for that reason in that model.
Gh5s camera with me but very hanging camera not a cuwek played photo very bed camera