Panasonic GH5S Hands-On Field Test
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- We were surprised when Panasonic announced the GH5S shortly after the GH5 rocked the video world. Boasting the return of the multi-aspect sensor and hugely improved low light performance, but lacking the built in stabilizer, the GH5S is an interesting camera. Chris Niccolls and Jordan Drake take a look to see who this new camera is for.
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Shot on the Panasonic GH5S
The reason there seems to be so much uproar about lack of IBIS on the GH5S is because the REVIEWERS are all TH-cam bloggers.
Yes, I agree and electronic stabilizers gimbals are easily accessible these days. The IBIS even when combined with a lens with stabilization still cannot handle actual run-and-gun video shooting...
As far as the size of the sensor goes and the loss of in-body image stabilization, Panasonic didn't really have a choice. Sony makes this sensor (STARVIS IMX294 variant) this larger size and that is the only way that Panasonic and others could could purchase it. We are seeing other cameras now hitting the market now with this sensor too and they all have to deal with this same "odd" MFT footprint. It really was designed to provide the absolute maximum video performance that MFT could possibly provide. This sensor was designed to literally pack and use up every tiny millimeter of performance that this mount could hold without wasting ANY space whatsoever.(The GH5 uses the Sony IMX272 chip which is the "traditional" MFT sensor size) BlackMagic is claiming 13 stops with theirs. Cant wait to see the first GH5-S vs BlackMagic Pocket 4k comparison. Nice video guys!
As a new GH5s owner, the low light performance is just rock solid.
It's kinda like magic.
cannot wait for the bmpcc4k , basically the gh5s with raw video
I bought a GH5 in January and then returned it for the GH5s. I'm very happy with my decision. The low light is great and the colors are fantastic. Coming from the GH4 I felt the GH5 wasn't really worth the upgrade, but the GH5s is definitely worth it.
Do you use it hand-held or do you have a gimbal?
I have a gimbal. I use the Zhiyun Crane Plus. The stabilization was decent on the GH5, but even with that I would have still been using the gimbal for weddings and just about anything cool I want to shoot. I don't miss the IBIS.
Fun review (hopefully a GH5s v A7III review soon?). Am I the only one who thought the still from the GH5s looked better? Sharper, better color/contrast....
Been looking forward to hearing TCSTV's opinion on the GH5S! Thanks for the vid.
This was the most helpful video I've seen on the GH5s on the net. Thanks ;)
Chris nails the fundamental flaw of the gh5s at minute 9:45--it belongs on set with "gimbals" and tripods and "lights." If you're in a controlled enough situation to have tripod or tracks or a full glidecam style rig, you're probably also in a situation where you have control over the light. Most of the times indie filmmakers are in a low light situation they may not be able to have a camera stabilizing rig either. Panny says they crippled the gh5s so that shows like Grand Tour could mount their c and d cameras to their cars--but those situations almost never require low light sensitivity. No, I think Panasonic just couldn't figure out a tech problem like heat distribution, then used car shows as a face-saving excuse.
I agree. I have my GH5s on a gimbal and it's awesome. I don't understand why everybody is acting like 'no ibis' means it's unusable 🤔
Very good insight. Your channels great. I just bought into the Panasonic family. We purchased the Panasonic AG-DVX200-4k . This appears to be the perfect little brother to it. I was going for the Sony A7Siii but they were out of stock. This makes more sense. I’d like to stay consistent with the brands to make post production a much smoother process.
Thank you and any tips you might offer are surely in some of your other videos. You have a new subscriber 👍🏽
I bought a GH5S for two reasons: reduced noise at slower apertures and a smaller crop factor with video. This way, I can get wide shots that keep everything in focus, yet having the blacks jump around less when lighting isn't great. It doesn't fill the need of a photographer or vlogger really. While the noise may be lower, the noise pixels are larger, and I see that as an issue in my cropped photos. For vlogging, the thing is too big anyways; might as well just use an iPhone imo.
TH-camrs should really love this camera -- although primarily if they are doing tripod work, and generally if indoors. Auto-focus isn't great, but you can make it work usually.
Thanks for this review. You guys rock. Keep up the great work!
Everytime when Chris Niccolls introduces himself, I hear 'This is Christacles...'
Thats what happened to Saint Nicholas. Somebody out there heard Santa Claus and the name stuck. :)
I will go with the GH5S even if it has no IBIS...the quality of the image in the video is more important to me...for the stabilization, there's always a gimbal compatible with the GH5S from Zhiyun, FeiyuTech, and DJI. 😉
You've got a great channel, look forward to the next one.
I like this camera a lot.
So enjoyable to watch your channel, especially this video...the way you show this... Well done👌👌👍👍 Thank you for sharing this
contrast and colors look ACE
Can you clarify if dual iso is different when using vlog? I heard it was native 800/5000. Thanks.
How stable is footage on GH5S with a gimble, compared to GH5? I'm interested in shooting landscape and wildlife video for a professional project and need something that wont drive me nuts in post with stabilization issues. Also, is the only real advantage of in-body stabilization if you are shooting by hand, or does that in-body stabilization in GH5 also make gimble shooting smoother? Thanks and great review
Not being able to decide between nor quite justify the cost of either the GH5 or GH5S, I bought a GH4 and Zhiyun Crane v2 with Olympus native glass from you guys a month ago and am so far liking it.
Having never had an IBIS camera before I was concerned with distortion with the lens and sensor being out of sync as well as the IBIS resisting any camera movement like a pan. I was under the impression that you wouldn't want to use IBIS alongside a gimbal, so I figured that the GH4 would be better than a G85 for several things and might help decide between the GH5 and GH5S if and when I'd want to buy a second camera body.
FYI - the dual ISO values are actually different between Vlog and non-Vlog.
I'm not a video guy, but the colors, tones and contrast from the GH5S look amazing! Though I don't watch videos on 8k monitors with my eyeball pressed up against the screen, so most modern camera footage looks decent to me. :-)
This was a really helpful video. I'm currently looking to upgrade from my canon t5i for more professional shoots like live events, music videos, and shorts and have been looking into the Canon 7D mark ii and the Canon EOS R for a mirrorless option. I was told the GH5S is even better though. My man hesitation is the price difference and the additional costs that would go into a lens adapter. What are your thoughts on the two?
Great review, I'm curious since most of the general population aren't necessarily film producers how this will sell compared to a gh5. By the way I like the simple thumbnail what model softbox system are you using here? Thanks
The thumbnail was lit with an Aputure 300D with an Aputure LiteDome on it. They’re making awesome stuff right now!
Jordan @ TCSTV
Sounds like a great buy for me. I just cant find an information about image stabilisation on the lenses. Do you know if the GH5s can translate/power the Canon L lens stabilisation through an adapter? And which one? Thanks a lot.
I enjoyed your video as always but when I really like to know is with 12,800 ISO what would be the better camera the GH5S or the A73.
Fast and smooth video AF is a more important feature, than IBIS, that micro 4/3 cameras really need!
great review as always! Did you get a chance to see Sleep No More?
The grade in the Calgary segments looks great!
@TheCameraStoveTv Did you happen to notice any horizontal noise when shooting in VFR mode? I believe there is a camera bug that creates this terrible horizontal noise and a color shift towards green at all frame rates above 60fps. Even worse, I'm seeing unpleasant noise in the darks in 24P as well, even when shooting 10-bit at native ISO. Due to these issues I am really regretting my GH5s purchase and am hoping that Panasonic will find a fix soon...
Was this video shot with the camera being reviewed?
Hello, I shoot music videos and I have a canon 5D mark iii, I would like to upgrade but am still confused if I should go for a GH5s or Canon Mark iv, Kindly advise
Stable footage is alot more important to me as well. :)
The camera's IBIS cannot handle absolute stabilization alone, especially in low light. This is why I invested in a gimbal and a monopod.
Thank you for this video! You're quite good at what you do!!!!
the dust on the left camera's sensor at 1:31 is just too hard to ignore.
Sleep No More at the McKittrick is amazing....
This review is so cinematic! Wish you the photo of the mountain you shot on the plane is in color and not B&W!
Does using a lens with OIS offset some of the loss of a stabilized sensor?
After the GH5 came out, high-end movie studios kept buying the GH4 and not upgrading their existing GH4 cameras to the new GH5. As it turned out, the IBIS created problems for them, even when they turned it off. That's one reason why the GH5s doesn't have it.
Do you think there’ll be an open gate option available in future?
Absolutely excellent review, but have to say, I do some intense field work, but will not miss the IBIS, it wasn't, isn't that big of deal.
It has amazing color. Great video guys. Which lens for that final shot of Chris?
Good old Sigma 18-35mm F1.8.
Currently have the GH5 and considering the S for low light/Tripod work. Question is how does it match with the 5 in post. If I shoot the same profile will they match? The comment about the Canon color science gives me pause.
They match well!
Very curious about moire at 4k- any thoughts?
Still didn’t decide between gh5s and a7III....I’m struggling with this :)
gh5s if you are more into video, if hybrid go a7iii
I would get the gh5s tho.
...or the Blackmagic Cinema Camera for video plus something like G80 (GX80) as sensor-stabilized hybrid/b-cam?
BMCC is coming out in 5 months.
Great review, but if you really want a camera that is superior in low light for a great price it will be the Sony a7sIII and it is only because the sensor is larger. But it all depends on what you want from the camera. You get the camera that suite your needs. The interesting question here is, will Panasonic now focus on that organic sensor, or release new cameras down the line.
I do not think Sony will release a new camera for a while, perhaps some APS-C camera but that too will just be a minor upgrade. Who knows, they might not think it is worth doing. It all depends on the market, and I suspect the demand for the a7iii and a7sIII will be crazy so they might focus on that. Anyway we will have to wait and see.
Nice video as always.
Hei guys, is Fuji X-H1 review still in the works?
What I WANT right now is a G9. I wish I had known I was going to end up with an a7R 3 because I wouldn't have also bought the X-T2 a few months before the Sony...then I would have my dream combo for now. The a7R 3 (owned) and a Panasonic G9 with an Olympus 12-100 f/4. I loved my GH5 when I had it and I would love the G9 more (since I'm focused on stills).
But you will want the Sony a7S 3 badly very soon.
80 80 I have no interest in any other Sony body or future Sony body that would be announced in the next two years.
So should I get the GH4 or GH5 for 400 euro difference
I just purchased a second hand GH1 to join my GH2 for video work because I’m like the look of the early footage. Now you have reviewed GH5s couldn’t you please look at a review of where the gh1 fits into the footprint of gh5s.
Look back and review the old GH1
I think the A7iii and new bmpcc are gonna put a hurting on Panasonic, especially at the higher end. Panasonic really needs to speed up the development of that organic sensor- that would be a game changer.
What organic sensor?
Its a next gen type sensor that will be released in 8k for the 2020 Olympics which Panasonic sponsors. There are several articles online that Panasonic is working on.
Frankly, since the GH5s is only a video camera, that looks like a mirrorless cam, it lost its purpose as soon as the $ 1300 new Black Magic Pocket Cinema 4K cam was announced. With today's computers and if your primarily interest is video, why wouldn't you buy the Black Magic that is probably as good in low light than the GH5s and shoots RAW? I'm afraid at $2500 the GH5s was killed in the egg.
I agree with the black magic cam but a7iii doesn't come close outside of AF. The a7iii still has that terrible screen, no time lapse, no 4k 60fps, 4K crops, no 8bit, no 240fps 1080p slow motion, etc. A lot of the raw test only focus on things the a7iii excels.
Jesus Christ, you have no idea what you're talking about. Higher end? The A73 cannot shoot 10-bit. So, no, your "higher end" claim is ridiculously exaggerated. The A73 is only a game changer for vlogging cameras. Not for cinematic cameras like the GH5 and GH5s. Go back to your Sony fan boy safe space.
I think Panasonic needs to strike a deal with Apple for Prores, or they have a huuuge problem with the new Pocketc 4k.
How is Panasonics calculation if the BMPCC 4k camera uses a Panasonic sensor? This would be interesting to know.
But maybe the sensor isn´t from Pana. Thanks for the entertaining and well presented review.
Is a RED that much bigger? Can only see this being used by Student film makers...
By popular demand please return Chris and Jordan
Excellent review !
Great review as always guys 🙂
But I have to say I think the change in colorscience was a mistake. I heavily prefer the "normal" Panasonic colors over Canons. But I'm totaly biased as a Lumix-fanboy and it of course also comes down to personal preference. Cheers!
Just toss a little green into the midtones, and you’re pretty close to the older Panasonic colour science.
I still see the GH5 being a better all around camera that will accommodate 80-90% of most shooting scenarios.. except low light unless you are using speedboosters etc. Also the GH5 is slightly cheaper. I shoot mainly with the viltrox EF-M2 speedbooster and Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 (which is an f1.2 on this setup) and I get great results. Shadow details can be tricky in really low light however using VLOG-L and 10-bit 4:2:2 I get good results and can recover details enough. I think it is better to use the correct tool for the job. If you shoot mostly in dark situations and serious performance is needed, wait for the Sony A7S3 and adapt lenses to it (perhaps even rent one if you need to). Its really going to depend on your budget, your lens investment and shooting conditions. The GH5S is a decent choice however if you have the extra cash and need a B cam to the GH5. I wouldn't buy it however as the A cam as its not flexible enough especially if you are doing more than just video and need photo modes or are traveling with it. The IBIS on the GH5 still comes in handy for more run and gun situations and if you can't carry a tripod around but just a camera bag, its a better option.
I cant stand speedboosters. I rather use olympus 1.2 lenses , no need for a sb
How can one have black and white hair with red beard?
I was going GH5s...but with the “Pocket 4K” and Sony A7iii... along with the Inferno Ninja 5..... such a good problem to have!
This really is an amazing year. No excuses not to shoot amazing films anymore. None.
This is a B cam for the EVA-1. That's really what it's for.
Does anyone have a link to pocket 4k footage? I keep hearing how amazing it is, but can't find any. Has anyone seen any footage?
You were able to shoot them hooked up to a 4K monitor at NAB, but as far as I’m aware, no one was allowed to capture footage.
The image did look very nice, but the set was so well lit that a smartphone would also shoot beautiful footage.
Jordan @ TCSTV
I don't think the lack of IBIS is anything to worry about even for run-n-gunners as long as they use a gimbal. But this camera's life in its intended market is limited now that we know the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K is coming, and what it's capable of doing - using the same sensor as this camera, at about half the price - including the full Resolve Studio.
Panasonic, you have until September to add the ability to completely turn off in-camera NR and sharpening, and add raw signal out through the HDMI. Or else have to massively reduce the price.
BMPCC does cut hugely into the sensor on its slow mo though
There are a few use cases where the GH5s wins over the P4K - but damned few, and everyone will have to judge if those features are worth double the price. I don't think too many people actually need 4K120p.
same noise but much great details, exactly.
Loved ! One more time...!
Looking forward to XH1 review...
Has anyone tried the GH5S with Optically Stabilized lenses? I know the lens selection would be limited and it's not as good as IBIS but it would surely make it usable for handheld?
Yes, and yes. I use it with the 12-35 f2.8 native. It is usable hand held if you're attentive.
What happened to Chris and Jordan??
They are on DPReview channel now
Why is this film-camera bilt like a stills-camera ??? ;)
Is it really still snowing in Calgary?
Yup.
same as toronto
I would rather get a Black Magic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 4K. Uses the same sensor, but unlocked to 13 stops of dynamic range.
Yah I like to buy not in production yet equipment too. Its so much better than having a real usable product.
Glad you agree.
Is it just me or is this video really glitchy? Some unsynced video, some problems where it sometimes replays the same split second of video repeatedly. Wierd
Someone s selling used gh4 for 500 euro. Should I get that?
No... why? Even the g85 is better than the gh4
Why is the sensor on these new mirrorless cameras only 10 MP?
If its more suitable to sets, where you've got everything, why would someone (with the budget of a set) choose this camera over any other standard cinema cameras (even the C200-300)? It just makes no sense. However, I would agree that this camera is for the independent film maker that makes short films or commercials on a decent (not cinema) budget and doesn't really care about vlogging or youtube stuff. It is for field use, but for someone with a limited budget or someone just starting out. On a full blown set where you can afford everything else, it is just plain stupid to bring in this camera over any cinema (even low end cinema) cameras.
P.S.: For people watching this or any other review, forget the IBIS and all that bullshit if you anyway shoot anything other than youtube videos. Yeah its a great feature but do you really need it? Keep in mind when you watch a review on youtube, it's reviewed by people who mostly do youtubing with their cameras. They are not doing anything wrong in the reviews. It's just that their perspective is almost always pretty much biased to the youtube side. But for someone who is into short films, commercials, etc., you have to look at the features from your point of view. Do you really need that IBIS if you have a gimbal? Even if you didn't have a gimbal, will the IBIS hold up for your follow shots, or creative camera moves? Do you really need that low light capability if you have a lighting crew? More importantly what you need is exposure tools like zebras, accessories support, and the most important thing is reliability. Most youtubers vlog in their native blocks. If the camera stops working, they can just fix the problem in whatever days it takes and redo the video. On a commercial project, if your camera dies and you have no solution, your client will torture you to death! Thus, reliability comes before everything else on a set. Low light, IBIS, etc. are all additional luxury features that you don't really need on a set.
All we need for the Gh5s/Gh5 and all
The new camera that Panasonic will release 2019 is better autofocus that's it that was my only reason why I didn't buy it one I start with Sony a6500
Just lovely video all the way around on something I will never buy.
Panasonic GH5S the price is really too high considering the new arrival of the new models of the competitors - the price battle is started with Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K and Sony A7 III - so good price and good quality this is the future battle They sholdn'nt give us good price and bad quality because now we know everything about technology .
Well about time...
We appreciate your patience!
Jordan @ TCSTV
I was somewhat expecting you to love the GH5S alot more than you did though Jordan. Looking forward to your film that Chris mentioned you're making in the summer!
Low and behold Blackmagic has destroyed the GH5S with its newly announced Pocket Cinema Camera 4K with dat 12bit RAW 4K 60p at $1.3K. Given it doesn't come out until September, but you know what to expect now.
Narek Avetisyan they not the same cameras its as different as the c200 is to the ursa mini. Also you're going to have to rig put the pocket camera alot more than the gh5s. The pocket cameras autofocus is worst than the gh5s, the low light while improved, won't be better than the gh5s.
I'm excited for the pocket camera 4k, but I think people are expecting this to be a run and gun camera when its a cinema camera first and foremost, hense the name.
They are much more similar to each other than the C200 is to the UMP. For one, they use the same sensor (just with different active areas), same mount, etc. The low light should be at least as good as the GH5s, plus the GH5s doesn't let you completely turn off in-camera NR or sharpening, meaning the picture will never be as good - at any ISO. Not to mention 12-bit raw over 10-bit 4:2:2 limited Vlog means grading will be waaay nicer with P4K footage.
Panasonic's next move SHOULD be to release a firmware update to allow the complete disabling of in-camera NR & sharpening, plus allow a raw signal through the HDMI port to allow Atomos to do their coversion to ProRes Raw externally. That would stem the Black Tide of September(tm). Whether they WILL is, of course, yet to be seen. That $2,500 price isn't helping matters, either. Even the GH5 is $700 more expensive, but at least it has IBIS for those who need it. For the $1205 extra the GH5s costs over the P4K, I'd buy a nice gimbal and a lens and call it a day.
genjii931 1. its not the same sensor. Blackmagic themselves have said this is brand new sensor made from scratch. 2. The ursa and c200 also have the same mount so I dont know why is this an argument. 3. As I mentioned the low light wont be as good as the GH5s because A) it tops out when the GH5s starts to fall apart. And B) the lower 2nd iso in log/flat profile means noise will gain show faster.
Raw is great but im sure 60%-80% of the people looking at this camera won't even shoot in raw because they are not use to the workflow and not realize it requires alot of work. (This is exactly what happen with the original pocket camera).
Again I am very excited for this camera, but I think people need to realize this is a camera for a certain audience. This will be a cult classic, but many people who complained about the GH5s will not see any benefit of this camera because the things they complained on the GH5s is either the same or worse on the P4k
8mp photos on the black magic. Seems to be it's only flaw. The battery life.
So much bluster for a camera that doesn't even exist. By the time you can get your hands on it, we'll be on the GH5s II.
still pretty expensive when we compare it to A7III?
Lucky Never yes because it offers 4k60 with 10 bit 4:2:2 output and 4k/4k DCI Internal at 10 bit 4:2:2 with a ton of pro video tools.
A7III lacks these but has exceptional AF and is a stop better in low light. So your choice.
Cool.
With this budget , i 'll have a DOUBLE (double !??!! WTF !!!) Blackmagic Pocket 4K ..... 2 in the price of one .....
I am not even in the mood talking about specs.
I am so jealus of this 3-inch flip LCD .....Looooool
Why on earth are we still talking about this GH museum ?
Game Over Panasoniconians. :)
Yes, the BMPCC 4K has very nice specs. Let’s see if the final camera can live up to the potential in September...
Jordan @ TCSTV
This or BMPCC 4k?
Zaber Ansary that depends on the kind of shooter you are. One is design to be more run amd gun, while the other is to be treared like a cinema camera and needs more accessories and asks you to put in the work in post.
Both are great cameras it all comes down to what camera fits your needs and more importantly, the needs to get you paid. Because if your looking at these more as a hobbyist, then neither.
I disagree. Nether of them has IBIS, so nether is an optimal run and gun camera thereby. Yes the gh5s has c-af that somehow seems to work now, but its far from the best in the industrie. So you may want to focus manually anyway. Soundwise the bmpcc 4k is actually better equiped out of the box. So the main difference is that you have a large screen on one and a smaller flipout screen plus a viewfinder on the other. Most importantly though, blackmagic gives you more options with better codecs and 4k 60p. You dont have to use raw, prores is easy enough to handle and still has almost twice the bitrate of panasonics 10 bit 422 all-i codec.
nordfresse ibis has no bearring on run and gun and idk why people are now making them a requirement run and gun doesnt mean "camera only", it simply is do you have the things to go amd get the shot. The canon cinema line of cameras dont have ibis and they are certainly run amd gun cameras (excluding the c700 series).
Autofocus doesnt need to be the best it just needs to work and in 80% of normal shooting situations it does. 80% is still better than none.
Hi.
5 out 8 numbers in my number are 9's. No shit lol, people think it's fake!
Niche product, maybe with internal ND it will be a more interesting option, or with IS, or with better AF.
At this point, it is really hard to recommend.
1:32 I jumped at the dust!
It's ok, that's Chris' GH5.
Jordan @ TCSTV
I like the imagery this camera produces. Much better than Sony!
You guys always do a rear job preaenting techno babble in a way us less versed in camera speak can understand
3:03 I was looking down and I thought he farted
Think that Panasonic is loosing it indeed that the 43 format is on it's way out... The game has move on with Sony and Fuji kicking butt. Canon /Nikon where are you?
BMPCC 4K is mft and everyone is drooling even though it hasn't been released. Not sure I can agree with your statement until we see how it is accepted.
Black Magic Pocket Cinema 4K makes this obsolete, raw video and half the price.
For what use? BMPCC 4K has no autofocus, no articulating screen, and shorter battery life. BM is is cinema camera and the 5s tries to still provide something for RnG, vlogging, and grab and go crowd. Let's wait and see what actual experience is when the BM is released. It does look compelling.
Meh
Had to laugh when these guys bitch about the lack of on board sensor stabilization. Any full pro camera won't have a stabilized sensor ... that's what gimbals and tripods are for. But some lenses also have the optical stabilization so what's the big deal.
Can't hear that excuse "low light" vs "Ibis" anymore. Truth of the matter is, Panasonic was unable to pull it off in one body. I don't reward premature releases. I rather reward Olympus (I'm not a fan boy, but I certainly am in that regard. They don't release "Betas")
bmpcc 4K all the way. the GH5s looks quite average in DR and those colours are still to plasticky. nothing organic about it.
Once you go full frame, you never go back. End of story.
Chris and I went full frame and then went back.
Jordan @ TCSTV
There is more to gain from going back than being stuck with full frame's inconveniences.
TheCameraStoreTV :0 what are you lads using as I'm a Fuji user with a few lenses and was thinking of jumping to Sony? Heads baked :0
Tried a7 series, fuji x, and went back to MFT,
Wrong
gh5s has no stabilization. add a gimble, done.