Wasteland 2 - First Impressions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Talking a bit about my initial experiences with Wasteland 2 after finally getting around to checking it out!
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I'm very glad I stumbled on this channel when I did. I was getting so sick of gaming on TH-cam. This is one of 2-3 gaming channels I still watch. Excellent work, keep it up and thanks for all the vids! Greetings from Iceland
Played Wasteland 2 like 3 times, and Wasteland 3 exactly 4 times (4th time included all of the DLCs). In terms of difficulty I'd say they are about the same, but W3 does allow for some crazy builds unlike 2 which makes even the hardest fights on hardest difficulty trivial. Other than that 2 has more serious tone, while 3 takes itself less seriously and has more colour literally and figuratively speaking. Both games are incredible imo.
Hey Mortym, wanted to suggest the Banner Saga trilogy of TRPGs for you to add to the backlog. 100%ing them is a blast, especially with the save transfer between each game.
The emphasis of choice in WL2 and their outcomes is pretty massive compared to probably ever other game.
I also haven't tried this one, but I am a big fan of Wasteland 3. It has terrific replayability, and I enjoy the humour, the grit, and the music as well. I've been meaning to give this one a try.
Going through W3 right now and I gotta say, W2 did it better in almost every single way for me. I have some major issues with how you're allowed to handle Angela Deth in W3, on top of thinking she is very poorly written in W3.
@@JimJamTheAdminher character made no sense to me in W3. I like how she is presented because of the voice actor and cutscene, but as an actual character, I just don’t understand her.
I prefer WL2 over WL3 big a long margin. WL3 looks prettier but I felt the content was much shorter.
Definitely. 3 also had no stakes, having infinite rangers on release version was such a bad idea. Have no clue how it seemed like a good idea to anyone
Awww yeah. Been waiting for this one. A non spoiler tip. Give your talking skills to your fighters. Your leaders the other skills so that they can catch up.
I was hoping you reviewed this one! After loving Wasteland 3 I also want to go back and play 2.
WL2 is a masterpiece IMHO. There are three areas that warrant nominations for the best of all time in cRPG history - Rail Nomads, Valley of the Titans and the Hollywood/Temple area complex. They are noteworthy as being extremely difficult bordering on impossible to get a "best outcome" first time blind. They are so complex that they were plagued by multiple sequencing and contradiction bugs on release, the depth and complexity of the narrative and number of choices presented crashing into the open world design. Mercifully these have been resolved now with the DC edition. The game shines in terms of narrative, atmosphere and role playing. The combat is not the main draw although encounters can be be interesting and challenging on max dif and there is an ever present sense of real danger.
Narrative is one thing, sadly the gameplay got so dull and repetitive by the time I got to the first of these areas (rail nomads) that I can't be bothered to ever finish them. Defusing an entire minefield for 20 minutes wasn't particularly thrilling, but you have to do it if you don't want the AI to blow itself up. It doesn't help that the stat system is so poorly balanced that initiative is really all that matters, and that cover is constantly bugged.
Wasteland 3 improves on that a lot though
@@majorfallacy5926 That's your fault for not having a demolitions expert tbh, also you can pick each teammate individually to navigate past it.
@@majorfallacy5926 or just hock a stick of TNT in it
@@IReallyDontKnowWhatToEnterHere I did have a demolitions expert. Also an expert in literally every skill in the game, because you can do that. It's still a ton of boring clicking.
I would disagree. Wasteland 2 had plenty of design and gameplay flaws which I couldn't just ignore.
I bounced off 2 several times, and so I never played 3
The first wasteland was a favorite game when I was a teen. I enjoyed both sequels
Have you reviewed number 1? If not will you?
I liked 2 a lot better than 3.
I tried getting into this game twice and bounced both times. I didn't hate it or anything, just kinda...lost interest. It's been a while but I think I hit a difficulty spike at some point and didn't feel like grinding my way through it. I also wasn't really feeling the gameploy or the story. It's too bad cause it's put me off of trying Wasteland 3 which is by all accounts a great game.
For the Director's Cut re-release, I decided to kill off most of my original party so I could have a part of NPCs. I picked one of the NPCs who unlocks a unique dialogue choice during the ending.
I am thinking that W2 is strictly the better game for me. It's harder, I like the writing more, but it's soundtrack can't hold a candle to how W3's soundtrack is implemented. The cut in covers of these old gospel songs and the like was wonderful. I have kinda always liked the more grounded in our timeline approach that Wasteland offers compared to Fallout and Wasteland 3 feels more like Fallout, Steel towns tech level is way too much, just tech in general in W3 felt more CoD Sci-fi Shooter than I'd like. Wasteland 2 hits that perfect middle ground of classic Wasteland and a game that a normal person could possibly play.
Of some historical note, the precision strike options in combat were added with the Director's Cut, along with perks and traits and a number of other changes (I can't recall any that weren't improvements). Before that there were even fewer combat options...
What's up everybody? Not Mortem here. I loved this game on the Xbox but man the graphics were blurry. I really had a hard time finishing it. If they had a graphical update it would be a top ten for me.
Couldn't get into this game at all. I felt like it was generic and tried way too hard to be edgy and quirky. 4/10
Cool! Looking forward to your thoughts on the first "boss fight". :D
I'm not gonna lie, I got to the end and gave up lol. The ending battle is too wild and a lot of BS is going on, I wasn't prepared at all
I've tried 3 times to get into it after loving Wasteland 3.
I will need to try a 4th time.
wasteland 2 get's a 5/5 from me.
Just finished wasteland 3 on ps5, game crashed couple of times with minor bugs, but the game was great fun and makes you want to explore everything 👌🏽
Combat is not gonna get remotely as 'wacky' and diverse as Wasteland 3. You've seen most of it propably in terms of weapons and abilities allready. I think Wasteland 3 tried to ape the success of the Divinity Games, Wasteland 2 on the other hand deliberately keeps things more grounded, and leans considerably more towards simulator and survival genres. There are very few active abilities ( "spells" ) and munition is a LOT rarer but in return more lethal. Combat in WL2 is a lot more about resource management, depending on how far you're in the game you'll might have allready noticed that having even a single full magazine is not a given, and your limited back pack space means you'll have to think what you'll bring with you on your expeditions.
Personally, I hade a dedicated mule, a character that was really terrible at fighting, didn't even carry a real weapon, but had a lot of inventory space and was tasked with re-supplying the other party members in firefights. It was fun and refreshing playing around such a support / utility character.
I 100% this a few years ago. Be careful with some of the achievements they can be buggy and broken. Still a great game though.
Pro tip - 2x assault rifles, 2x snipers in the party always.
Since you were curious at the end. I did three playthroughs to 100% it and it took me about 100-120 hours.
iNxile is one of the companies I adore with the games they come up with and the talent they have gathered. Actually, this company being a part of Microsoft - along with other companies like Frictional games being featured on Game Pass - was the main reason of getting an X Box for this generation...
My favorite post apocalyptic game though I haven't tried Wasteland 3 yet
That Typewriter style log looks really cool ngl, also wondering what inXile is working on atm.....
I suspect some xbox game pass rpg. Microsoft bought them out, and the amount of polish inxile delivers, likely isn't enough for console players, which means it will be a while before we see another game from them, but it should be pretty good.
One fun thing about W2 is that it exports your characters at the end of the game so you essentially can get a NG+ mode by importing your end game squad when starting a new game. This allows you to go through and do any quests you missed or messed up from maybe not having enough skill and play the game on supreme jerk without it actually being as tough. . You can do this over and over as every time you hit the end game it'll export your characters at that level. I was really hoping they'd add this feature to W3 but it doesn't look like they will.
WL2 is pretty good. Enjoyable game and good divergent paths
I was actually going to do a playthrough of wasteland 2 on supreme jerk, but decided against it because it was too easy and would be boring to watch, because simply, Assault Rifles for your core Rangers and Sniper rifles for your followers- Rule
still fun tho :)
cant wait to hear what you have to say :D
Excellent game. When I played it the first time it was the way to rediscovering crpg's in general.
I backed Wasteland 2 and Torment: Tides of Numenera in Kickstarter. I played the version before Director's Cut, maybe this version is worth a replay, at least the UI seems better than what I remember.
I have been playing this currently for about 100 hours, and I love it. They really do respect the original game big time in terms of lore and jokes. **Oh, and the game design as such is really good: I mean the systems, UI, user-friendly** (I played WL1 before, so...)
- As for skills, yes, you really have to spread them across the party and specialize (eg. only one of my characters levels Perception and Demolition. I gave each character two types of weapons, trying to spread ammo types). Even with Safecracking and Lockpicking 10, you can fail, so you really need to pump those specialized skills.
Forgot to mention: I play on Ranger difficulty, which feels like the default. It is sometimes challenging, but easy with basic tactics. The higher difficulty can be annoying as you need to min-max too much.
A very cool game. The choices you take during the campaign influence directly your own team composition, for example.
Too long for me though: after the 1st half, with tiredness, and with the complicity of some real life keeping me from gaming for a couple of weeks, I abandoned it.
The 3rd game of the series was better for me, it felt less chore-like in most aspects.
Thanks for your videos!
Only a couple hours in but I'm enjoying it a lot this one and wasteland 3 just scratch a nice itch that other games don't.
While Wasteland 3 is a great game (with terribly mediocre DLCs), I actually found myself enjoying Wasteland 2 more. I'm a sucker for the desert aesthetic and just loved the characters/locations. Something about it just felt a little more raw (as you mentioned the artsyle plays a role here) and interesting than the more mainstream feel of 3. Kinda comparable to how Fallout 4 feels in comparison to 3 and New Vegas.
WL2 is a weird one for me. It felt joyless. I played all of the main fallout games. I'm a younger person, so I don't think nostalgia has much to do with it. Every time I play it, I end up missing the style and world of Fallout. I know it's unfair to judge a game by it's more well known sister franchise, but it's not intentional. Anyways, looking forward to your thoughts Mort. Maybe I'll be persuaded to give it another go after NWN:EE
My guilty game of shame. I've instaled it 7 years ago, and still didn't played it byond very start 😅. And I'm someone who adores fallout and post-apocalypse cRPGs.
I know that you loved WL3, but both WL2 and WL3 are good games in my book. By that I mean good, but not great. Played through both once but don't really feel like revising them, unlike I do with my favourite RPGs. Would be cool to see you cover WL1 (or remake) and see what your thoughts are. I understand that the remake is a bit of a mess from a technical standpoint.
I tried Wasteland 2 about 5 times on my PC. However a Gamepass issue with saves (also wiped out 15 hours of Mutant Year Zero) meant it was unplayable.
I tried the Xbox version but the Camera angle was too unwieldy - not that these should really be console games.
I was a bit disappointed as I am a fan of these sort of games (I did give up on Wasteland 3 as I found the combat prohibitively difficult later in the game)
Hi Mortym! I had no idea you could get a code for Wasteland 1 Classic if you purchased Wasteland 2. Redeemed that ASAP.
WL2 is definitely harder..and there is always at least one companion (choice) dying in any playthrough. WL3 appears to cater to newcomers which is not bad but I miss some of what makes WL2 fun imo.
it's a rough game especially in the beginning but believe me you really appreciate it more on finishing it. the main thing the game does well is make unique character so for anyone starting out I would spend some time coming up with a group of some cool characters that you would like to see deal with the apocalypse
I'd you're hoping WL2's combat branches out, & improves later into the game; I have bad news for you.
As someone who came to WL2 without all the nostalgia and reverence people hold for the original, I honestly thought this game was kind of naff.
None of the combat mechanics or encounters are particularly memorable after all this time. I'm left with faint impressions of feeling like there wasn't much wiggleroom in terms of practical party compositions, and that combat was a little clunky. In terms of story and pacing, the ending I got was particularly unsatisfactory and left me feeling like some of the agency had been removed from my in-game decisions. It wasn't until later I found out that the story's "point-of-no-return" happens way earlier than I expected.
That said, I'm reallly looking forward to the full review. It sounds like my experience with this game might not have been representative. (But hey, what else is new? 😆)
It's very clunky compared to Wasteland 3. The vanilla version is annoying to play with. But if you can ignore all that, is a good game.
Wasteland 2 directors cut is actually a pretty good game. The initial game wasn't the best, and not all what inXile promised, but they eventually delivered on their promise. Wasteland 2 though holds a very special place in my heart, not because the game is something special, because it's not all that special. It holds a special place because it literally started the whole 'kickstarted old school rpg' thing. Before wasteland 2, the whole rpg landscape had grown incredible stale, and brian fargo, in his kickstarter video for wasteland 2, managed to channel his frustrations out on how the publishers had treated him, because he wanted to build an oldskool game, and everyone had turned him down. They had looked at the success of the double fine kickstarter, and they managed to become successful in making the kickstarter, afterwards pillars of eternity followed suit with obsidian, torment tides of numenera, divinity original sin, and a whole lot of the amazing cprg developers managed to enter, and was reinvigorated, partly due to brian fargo's influence, and that original kickstarter pitch video, which is still worth a watch to this day. InXile is a company I am very grateful for, because it has Brian fargo, who has been partly responsible for so many good games over the years, and had a hugely positive impact on the whole gaming industry, as he was the former ceo of interplay productions. I would argue that without wasteland 2, there would not have been the same interest in pillars of eternity, owlcat may not have made pathfinder, divinity might not have happened in the way it did. We have a lot to be thankful for here.
I had it on xbox and was enjoying but sadly hit too many bugs, crashed and eventually losing too much progress from save files corrupting, had to stop.
I bounced off this game quickly but loved 3. 2 is so anachronistic and full of cringy references. The story is poorly told and the world is hard to take seriously.
Brilliant game, on my 3rd playthrough, so much charm and character. The writing is brilliant and the factions you come across are so unique and interesting. So many branching decision paths to go down. 3 is an inferior game imo.
This one us on my backlog... After i finish D:OS2 probably
Wasteland 2 is one of my favourite games. Legit. The humour and the gameplay and the story is just stellar
For me its just so disappointing they didn't stick with the same formula for W3 and make improvements where they needed to be made, instead of going down the goofy route they did with 3 and abandoning what made 2 so great
This game is so good but has a really steep and unfriendly learning curve, particularly for the character building imo.
I had to restart several times to get my party comp right even after doing research (on supreme jerk tho)
Wasteland 2 isnt difficult so much as unforgiving.
Armor and armor penetration is everything.
So assult rifles are king and if your team uses shotguns or smgs or pistols. You get screwed
Question for final review - would you recommend playing WL2 and 3 in order? Or would it not matter?
You must not have reached the 2nd half of the game yet. Trust me when you do you will see a steep climb in difficulty. It's almost crazy how much harder it gets all of a sudden.
It is quite a good game but not as good as Wasteland 3. Will you consider Citizen Sleeper?
Wasteland 3 was such a let down for me, I HATED the fact that one side goes all at once then the other instead of the traditional order.
Machines in this game are incredibly hard to kill compared to wasteland 3
i was a noob at videogames when i played waste 2 and almost beated it completely on ranger difficulty, i only toned out the difficulty on the last boss cause that fight is disgusting
free comment.
Should i play wasteland 2 if wanted to play wasteland 3? Is there any reference from waste 2 in waste 3?
Wasteland 2 is brilliant but the second half is significantly better than the first.
I actually very much like Wasteland 2 a lot more than Wasteland 3
Must be played at supreme jerk difficulty, applies to 3 as well, especially at later points if you want any challenge. Alternatively you can drop tactics and have a pure melee run on hard, although that is popular among jerks as well, for the challenge. I am thinking about a brawling crew without weapons, not sure if it is possible but I assume so.
I think even brawling builds need weapons (brass knuckles, boxing gloves, etc) otherwise damage and AP use doesn't keep up. Not sure if it's possible to find multiple of the best "unarmed" weapons, or if there are enough options to equip a full party
One of my favorites, can't wait for your review.
Played on release, first impression was "visuals are shit, feels like way more goofier fallout, and that messes with more serious parts of game".
But someday I'll play it 100% and maybe will like it.
goofier than fallout? interesting.
I've only played WL3, amazing
I was invested in Wasteland 2. I actually wrote my character Bios in the game. I'll never forget Mother Russia(nun with a shotgun), Rooster(A washed up medic who smoked too much), Freshman(The new recruit with a heart of gold) and Phoenix(Our silent type sniper).
It's better than wasteland 3 in my opinion because it made me care about a world I had never experienced!
Also shout out to Rose, Takayuki and my boy Ralphie.
Some games I enjoy - despite the jank(esp at the end). W2 is the first game I where I learned to save AFTER the combat too. I don't want to give too much away.
Death in wasteland2 is sometimes sudden and swift. Even if your team regularly one-shots everyone:
_"oh you maxed this character out? So sad .. what a shame .. nevermind."_
I had a team of 'Neo"s and still struggled to keep everyone alive. Even . on . the . replay.
This game is fantastic, and I think that everybody who has enjoyed the 3rd one, will like the second, if they give it a chance. Thing is, there is way too much text and reading involved, making it less accessible than W3.
WL2 = best wasteland IMO.
Wasteland 3 was mid. This one is great
Can anyone confirm Mortem is human?
Great game but difficulty is kinda bugged. Had no problems with Dugan or Matthias but struggled a lot in 2/3 random fights with generic enemies
nonetheless had a lot offun
Interested to see what you think of Wasteland 2 and what that makes you think of the developments they made in 3. A small segment for updated thoughts on 3 after playing 2 would be something worth hearing.
At least pre directors cut edition, the first half is great, second half the quality drops. I think backers had access only to the first half, which is why it was more polished.
Its also extremely obvious where the game is practically cut in two.
However, things have hopefully changed in the directors cut.
Wasteland 2 is a bit of a masterpiece, if you got to play it when they were over and done with patches.
I actually loved Wasteland 2 more than Wasteland 3. The third one felt shallow in many ways compared to the second.
Just playing on and off my second play through on Director's Cut. Once completed release Wasteland 2. Haven't noticed that much differences at least now playing at Canyon of Titan. Well maybe there's couple places where there might have been tweaked possibility to proceed with bit different route (meaning skills), but nothing radical. I liked W2, but one problem still is evident for new comers that it's possible to try to create allrounder squad which will absolutely result in huge difficulty spike which isn't revealed until quite late on. On my first try I made pretty much the worst possible squad and I actually felt that I had to restart game after I suppose plus 20h into game. I really liked the game, but I would've hoped bit more depth into combat itself. Just bit more "X-com" into it and game would've been absolutely legendary title.
Only game I ever backed on kickstarter. I was so desperate for a fallout style world I got into this and this game is what got me into CRPG and XCom style games.
I played it on console and it was a really pitiful experience, full of bugs, it would crash often to the console OS while saving
Played W2 on first release. Loved it! Looking forward to your full review.
the game itself is great, but the pacing is a bit slower than it needed to be. imo it dragged on a bit. especially if you want to collect everything. it gets only worse, when you want to experience the alternate decisions. i also ran into a few bugs that locked me out of decisions/quests.
just a heads up, theres a bug thats in the game that makes it so you cant enter the main the base bunker. i would suggest to save every time youre about to win a mission just in case. dont save with the same save file. always different. you might need to backtrack a butt load
I loved it until i got permalocked by my saves and something that was marketed to me as possible alt route but wasnt xD gotta replay it some time
Will you be checking out the new Wasteland 3 expansions that have come out, Mort?
I already have, reviewed them when they released
@@MortismalGaming Whoops, the DLC reviews were further down in the list when I looked them up on your channel. Thanks for replying, Mort. :P
I rly like wasteland 2 and 3
This looks pretty good. Appreciate the vid Mortim!
Always look forward to seeing what game you cover next. This should be be a good one
W2 was my first CRPG and probably still in my top 3
Great game. I've played through it completely three times, and before W3 came out it was the go-to post-apocolyptic experience. I've had the GOG version installed on my machine since 2015 and have never uninstalled it since then. Still play it for 10-20 hours or so about once a year.
Sounds like me! Wonderful game, one I like to go back to around Christmas.
Jesus I thought you did this one already. Hahaha
do you have plans for a age of decadence review?
I've already reviewed it
@@MortismalGaming oh, ok then
Love th game, 1 it looks good disagree and be wrong. game is pretty game if basily Fallout. also real fun, I highly recommend Wasteland So fucking cool it asks what you smoke. like wow be less epic
It's a solid game but my autism just can't accept the catastrophic mischaracterization of weapons.
Browning m2 chambered as a 5.56 pea shooter being the most heinous example
Only got halfway through the game before I stopped, but it was a lot of fun
Oh boy did I try to like this game and wasteland 3.. just didn't click
oh boy. i do wish you good luck :D. i really enjoyed w2 directors cut. especially because it allowed me to have 2 melees (1 fist weapons, 1 blade weapons) in my party and they were beasts :D. but the reason i do wish you good luck is, i had a game breaking bug that i couldnt fix in the second half of the game....all progress lost. because even reloading earlier saves didn't help. (playyed on ps4 though).